 Second Samuel chapter 20, just keep your place there and we'll get to that in a minute. So did you all take the personality test is the question? So I've been asking some of you. Most of you have taken it. I've been asking what you are. My wife will probably be asking the ladies what you are. I'll tell you a little bit why later. But we've got a lot of results back from I think most of the people in the church have taken it so far. So let me ask you this. First of all Joab, what was Joab? Joab was an ENJT or as the personality test would say Joab was a commander. So who in here took the personality test and had it come out that they were a commander? Can we get a show of hands? Nobody, right? Because there's not that many. They're like 2 to 3% of the population and for good reason actually. So the personality test will get into what that means for you and we're going to have a sermon series on the personality test coming in the next few weeks. But basically Joab is a perfect example and you say oh commander that sounds really cool man. I want to be that one. Well if you look at the disadvantages and advantages of a lot of the personality tests I'm sure you went and you looked at the advantages first of your personality that it came out and then you look at the disadvantages of them. Some of them didn't have many disadvantages. It was like oh you're too nice. There's a real disadvantage, right? You're too nice to people and you're too feeling and you're too caring to people and it's like oh that's a real disadvantage, right? But there's a lot of disadvantages to the commander personality and Joab is a perfect example of an unchecked commander. If you look at the disadvantages which we talked about last week if you look at the disadvantages of the commander you'll read it and I'm going to read some of them for you towards the end of the sermon this evening but you're going to be like if you know the stories of Joab in the Bible you're going to be like oh yeah that fits perfectly into what Joab was. So he was a commander. Let's look at but there's some good things about the commander personality and that's what I want to talk to you about for about half the sermon tonight is the good things of Joab and he probably never heard a good sermon on Joab you know the good traits of Joab but you're going to hear one at least half of one this evening so let's talk about the good traits of Joab so first let me read you the good traits of a commander personality commanders are natural born leaders that certainly fits Joab people with this personality type embody the gifts of charisma and confidence and project authority in a way that draws crowds together behind a common goal you know there's a lot I mean this story in 2 Samuel chapter 20 you'll notice that there was people following Joab that there was people even when he murdered a guy people still follow Joab okay so he was able to get people to crowd around him and follow him however commanders are also characterized by an often ruthless level of rationality that sound like Joab or what? using their drive determination and sharp minds to achieve whatever and they've set for themselves if this I mean perhaps it's best that they make up only 3% of the population it says less they overwhelm the more sensitive personality types that make up much of the rest of the world we have commanders to thank for many great businesses and institutions we take for granted every day so the disadvantages we'll talk about later but basically this I mean that's a lot like Joab so first of all the advantages here's one of the specific advantage bullet points is they're efficient okay remember Amesa so Amesa gets killed in 2 Samuel chapter 20 but look you know Joab all he was doing by killing Amesa in his own mind was he was rooting out inefficiencies in his own immoral way is what he was doing so commanders see inefficiency not just as a problem in its own right but as something that pulls time and energy away from all their future goals an elaborate sabotage consisting of irrationality and laziness so they hate irrational people and laziness people with the commander personality type will root out such behavior wherever they go and that's exactly what Joab did with Amesa you know Amesa was late he was rooting out the inefficiencies you know by murdering him that was Joab's so first of all let me give you a positive thing about Joab it's this he was efficient and effective Joab was efficient and effective turn to 2 Samuel chapter 20 if you're not there already look at verse number 6 so what do we remember happened here so Amesa was charged with raising an army Absalom has just been put down that coup is over and now David comes back and this Sheba son of Bikri starts another coup attempt he starts another rebellion and David's just he just had it with this and he sends Amesa his new general by the way which is interesting we'll get to that in a minute he sends Amesa out to raise an army he gives him three days to do it and he takes longer than three days he's late look at verse number 6 and David said to Abishai so now he sees that Amesa has not come back in time now David said to Abishai which is Joab's brother by the way now Sheba the son of Bikri do us more harm than did Absalom take thou thy Lord's servants and pursue after him lest he get him fence cities and escape us and there went out after him Joab's men and the charathites and the pelithites and all the mighty men so here's all these mighty men and all these warriors going in their following Joab once again they're just following him and they went out of Jerusalem to pursue after Sheba the son of Bikri look down at verse number 16 so Joab he leads this charge he's not the general in charge anymore by the way Amesa was the general in charge but Joab just gathers everybody together with Abishai and they go out and they take all the mighty men and they go after this guy and then let me show you verse 16 then of course he kills Amesa and everyone's just standing there they're like oh man that's the general he's dead right there and they're like throw him in the ditch let's go and they throw him in the ditch and they all follow Joab after that look at verse 16 so now Sheba has gone into a city he's gone into a city into a walled city just what David was fearing and he's hiding there and Joab in his army his men get to the wall of the city and then this happens then cried a wise woman out of the city here here say I pray you unto Joab come near hither that I may speak with thee and when he was come near under her the woman said art thou Joab and he answered I am he then she said unto him hear the words of thine handmaid and he answered I do hear so she knew who Joab was and she knew what was about to happen and that's what gave this woman that's all it took for this woman to be wise and for this woman to have wisdom is just to know who Joab was and what he was going to accomplish she knew who he was she's like are you Joab she knew exactly who Joab was then she spakes saying they won't speak in old time there were want to speak in old time saying they shall surely ask counsel at Abel and so they ended the matter I am one of them that are peaceable and faithful in Israel thou seekest to destroy a city and a mother in Israel why wilt thou swallow up the inheritance of the Lord and Joab answered and said far be it from me that I should swallow up or destroy the matter is not so but a man of Mount Ephraim Sheba the son of Bikri by name has lifted up his hand against the king even against David deliver him only and I will depart from the city and the woman said unto Joab behold his head shall be thrown to thee over the wall then the woman went up to all the people in her wisdom and they cut off the head of Sheba the son of Bikri and cast it out to Joab what do you think she said to those people what do you think she said to those people so I mean she goes in it doesn't sound like there was a huge debate here maybe there was and he blew a trumpet and they retired from the city every man to his tent and Joab returned to Jerusalem unto the king so what do you think she went and said to those people you think she went and said yeah there's this guy he's outside he's got this band of men and I don't know I don't know who he is or whatever no she went in there and said Joab's outside and if we don't give up this guy he's gonna kill us all that's what she said and it wasn't a long debate and they cut the guy's head off and they threw it over the wall because they knew who Joab was and they knew what he was gonna do because he was effective and he was efficient at whatever he put his mind to do okay look and Joab didn't put his mind to do much good but the point is when he said his mind to do something it got done it got done so Joab knew how to get things done and people knew who he was I mean think about all the military victories of Joab look David just knew that Joab could deliver a W that's what David knew about Joab he knew that when he needed a victory that Joab could bring it through and look to many leaders to kings to leaders of companies that guy's really valuable they just sometimes I mean morality aside a guy that you can just give a task to and you know it will just get done that's a super valuable person I mean having somebody in your organization that can deliver a win against all odds that's huge I mean all of you business owners in there imagine if you had a company full of people that you just gave them tasks to do and they just you knew that it would get done I mean it's very valuable and sometimes you just need a win but you could tell turn to 2 Samuel chapter 19 one chapter back you could tell now Joab like I said he was an unchecked commander he was efficient he was effective morality didn't have much to play in there what the Bible said what God wanted didn't have much to play in Joab's life but when he said his mind to do something it got done you cannot argue that look at 2 Samuel chapter 19 David you could tell that David was trying to find ways to reduce Joab's influence as David got older as his kingdom and his life near an end he was trying to find ways to reduce the influence of Joab and 2 Samuel 19 gives us one of those ways look at verse 13 so Amesa was Absalom's general Amesa was the general to the son that rebelled against David and David comes back after the victory and he makes Amesa his general look at verse 13 and say ye to Amesa art thou not of my bone and of my flesh their cousins God do so to me and more also if thou be not captain of the host before me continually in the room of Joab he gave Amesa Joab's job of the king of the army he tried to replace Joab he tried to replace Joab with Amesa he was trying to remove the influence of this man of this man that was just running over everybody doing what he wanted just you know in an efficient and effective way for sure but just he was trying to reduce him but here's the thing Amesa couldn't fill the shoes Amesa couldn't fill the shoes here they had a moral thing to do to try to put this rebellion down and Amesa couldn't get it done and Joab proves once again he steps right in of course he kills Amesa but he steps right in and he comes back and he tells the king it's done he gets the job done that Amesa couldn't do look I mean it's hard finding reliable people and you know as a leader you know people that can just get things done are a necessity you know the next time you know the next chapter the uprising occurs of course we just saw it but we see that's one good thing about Joab was he was a reliable and he was efficient he was effective for the king in many scenarios the next thing Joab turned to 2nd Samuel 19 verse number one Joab was and this is another characteristic of the commander personality he was not a yes man he was somebody who was very strong willed and he was a truthful counselor to David he was a truthful counselor to David and not a lot of people will be a truthful counselor especially when and I'm not saying he actually did it you know the right way in the way that you should give counsel but he was a truthful counselor to David look at 2nd Samuel chapter 19 so here Joab has just murdered Absalom against the king's will once again we talked about that last week but he's gone against the king's will and he's killed Absalom but the people Joab and Abishai and Itai they have won the battle for king David they have won the kingdom back for him and here David finds out that Absalom is dead and he's weeping for his son he's weeping he's crying for his son and Joab you know rebukes him in not a respectful way but look at and it was told Joab verse number one the king weepeth and mourneth for Absalom and the victory that day was turned into mourning unto all the people for the people heard say that that day the king was grieved for his son and the people got them by this by stealth that day into the city as people being ashamed steal away when they flee in battle so here what this says in verse number three is that what you had was this great wonderful victory was turned into a negative thing for these people and the people that had just been out fighting that had just been out fighting for David to regain the kingdom they were sneaking back into the city they were covering their heads and they because they didn't want to seem you know happy or when the king was sad okay so but the king covered his face and the king cried with a loud voice oh my son Absalom oh Absalom my son my son and Joab came into the house to the king and said thou hast shamed this day all the faces of all thy servants which they this day have saved thy life and the lives of thy sons and thy daughters and the lives of thy wives and the lives of thy concubines in that thou lovestine enemies and hate us thy friends for thou has declared this day that thou regardeth neither prince nor servants for this day I perceived that if Absalom had lived and we had all died this day then it had pleased thee well so Joab now therefore arise go forth and speak comfortably verse seven unto thy servants for I swear by the Lord if thou go not forth there will not tarry one with thee this night and that will be worse unto thee than all the evil that befall thee from thy youth until now so first of all this is good advice given in a bad way this is good counsel given in a bad way Joab is upset he's mad and he's just he's going up to David and he's like look he's like you're pretending like you hate all your friends you're pretending like I mean imagine how many of these people must have died in the battle I mean whenever you have a battle and one side wins and one side loses both sides lose soldiers especially hand to hand combat like we're talking about here I mean dozens, hundreds who knows maybe even thousands of people of David's people died this day and David is mourning for the enemy the leader of the enemy and that's what Joab is bringing up to him and I'm not saying Joab was not respectful here okay but he was telling him what he needed to hear albeit in a not in the right way okay turn to first Timothy chapter five look it's much I mean it's much better if you're going to give advice to be direct I mean you should be respectful but it's better to be direct than to be ambiguous and to be you know say things that are gray and people may misunderstand one way or another it would have been okay for Joab to just say hey King David I think this might be perceived the wrong way I'm sorry for your loss you know Joab couldn't really say that because he killed the guy but I mean you know I'm sorry for your loss but hey I think you're risking some things here people might take it the wrong way that would be a more sensitive way to give him the same advice but the point is at least Joab said something because many people would never approach a leader or never approach the King with any kind of advice at all look at first Timothy chapter five the Bible says rebuke not an elder but entreat him as a father and the younger man as brethren so I mean Joab kind of rebuke David here so that was his advice but look he did give advice on another occasion that was in a better way turn to 2 Samuel chapter 24 so once again we see that he's strong-willed and this is another thing another attribute of commanders they have very strong opinions they have very strong opinions and they will make those opinions known so if you took the personality test you know there was I don't know what was it one through five for I feel very strongly about this or I don't feel strongly at all and then there was all these things in the middle right if you the commander of Joab were to take that test he would have ones and fives that's all he would have he wouldn't have any twos he wouldn't have any threes he wouldn't have any fours it's all one or five and he would be done with the test faster than anyone in the room guaranteed because it's just like oh yeah one five five one one one one one five five five one one done that's it that's how Joab would take that test he's very strong-willed and they will make their opinions known and this helped David this helped David to a degree look at 2 Samuel chapter 24 David didn't always listen look at 2 Samuel chapter 24 verse 2 for the king said to Joab the captain of the host which was with him go now through all the tribes of Israel from Dan even to Beersheba and number ye the people then I may know the number of the people so David is going to do something that's wrong here he's going to go and he's going to take a census of the people he's going to get himself in a lot of trouble and Joab is the one that stands up and says hey why are you going to do this you should think about this look at verse 3 and Joab said unto the king now the Lord thy God add unto thy people by the way that's why it's wrong you ever wonder why why did God get so mad when David took the census because David was showing a lack of faith David was showing a lack of faith in God because God told the children of Israel again and again and again and again in the Bible you will prosper through me you will prosper through me just kind of like this church will grow through the Lord there's nothing that we can do to just drag people in here and that's the problem with the church growth movement is they just focus on hey what can we do let's start a cartoon class or a puppet show and get some kids in here and we'll do all these goofy things and we'll serve ice cream and whatever and stand outside with signs or I don't know what churches do but here's what we do we do what we're supposed to do and the Lord will grow the church and we just have that faith that the Lord will grow the church but look David was going to number the people because he just wanted to know how many people he had and that was showing a lack of faith in God and Joab warns him here he says now the Lord thy God add unto the people how many so ever they be and a hundred fold and the eyes of my Lord my King may see it but why doth my Lord the King delight in this thing and I mean look God doesn't even want you you know having that's another thing God will grow the people but also he wants your faith in him because God doesn't need people God doesn't need massive numbers remember Gideon he's like send him home send more home send more home to the point where there's only 300 left against tens of thousands of people in the other army and why was it because the God said I want you to know that the victory was mine and not yours so God doesn't need the numbers and he will grow the numbers if he chooses to grow the numbers so just a complete lack of faith on David's side but it was Joab that told him and of course we know the rest of the story he does it anyway but the point I'm trying to make is Joab was not a yes man he was strong willed he was effective he was efficient and he was driven these are all good things on their face the problem in Joab's life was that the good things can be outweighed by character flaws look the personality test it does not the personality test it does not define your character that personality test that you took and you read those advantages and those disadvantages that's not your character those are your tendencies I mean think about the personality test for Joab he's strong willed but what was he but he was strong willed towards selfish goals I mean he's effective I mean he's extremely effective most of the things that he was effective in was doing evil but he was effective I mean the thing is just dead on when it describes Joab he was efficient he was extremely efficient most of the time he was efficient at pushing his own agenda and not David's agenda especially not God's agenda so he was efficient for sure I mean he was driven towards the wrong things he was driven towards the wrong things the personality test does not reflect your character so don't be depressed so when I told my wife the results of my personality test and she read the dis... hey don't be depressed don't be depressed it shows your strengths and your weaknesses that's what it does but you must apply the Bible on top of that so we're going to have an upcoming sermon series on the top three to four personalities in the church and that's going to be sporty so Joab's weaknesses now let's look at the weaknesses according to the personality test and I didn't want to give this away until the end of the sermon last week but basically this is the commander weaknesses now just tell me if this sounds like Joab if you know the stories of Joab in the Bible stubborn and dominant sometimes all the confidence and willpower can go too far and commanders are all too capable of digging in their heels trying to win every single you know debate and pushing their vision and theirs alone they're intolerant it's my way or the highway people with the commander personality type are notoriously unsupportive of any idea that distracts from their primary goals and even more so of ideas based on emotional considerations sermon's over you know what I mean but I mean that is so true and that is something that you have to work on I mean you work on your disadvantages look at those disadvantages look is that right is that right to just disregard anybody else's feelings at all times that's not right to do that and it's not going to be effective dealing with other people either but knowing that you have tendencies towards that is extremely valuable Joab didn't care about anybody's feelings at all I mean think about when he killed these people he didn't care about how that was going to affect David he didn't affect how it was going to affect the kingdom he didn't care about any of it he just cared about revenge that's what he cared about here's another one impatient some people need more time to think than others and an intolerable delay to quick thinking an intolerable delay to quick thinking is the commander's personality they may misinterpret contemplation as stupidity or disinterest in their haste a terrible mistake for a leader to make so look you don't want to be late around a commander I mean they take it you know they take it the wrong way here's another one I was not even going to read this one because it's not even they're arrogant commander personalities respect quick thoughts and firm convictions their own qualities and look down on those who don't match up this relationship is a challenge for most other personality types who are perhaps not timid in their own right but will seem so beside overbearing commanders so I mean this one I mean this one should be completely checked by the bible because there's really nothing in the bible because it's good to be arrogant because the opposite of that is being humble so commanders need to work on humbling themselves a lot and Joab didn't do a very good job of that and here's another one poor handling of emotions all this bluster alongside the assumed supremacy of rationalism makes commanders distant from their own emotional expression and sometimes downright scornful of others people with this personality type often trample others feelings inadvertently hurting their partner and friends especially in emotionally charged situations and then the last one if this doesn't describe Joab I don't know what does they are cold and ruthless their obsession with efficiency and unwavering belief in the merits of rationalism especially professionally makes commanders incredibly insensitive in pursuing their goals dismissing personal circumstances sensitivities and preferences as irrational and irrelevant so Joab this is why Joab look, he had no forgiveness he had no forgiveness he had no forgiveness at all when these things when his brother was killed when Absalom betrayed the kingdom he had no forgiveness it was just revenge, that was it unchecked commander that's Joab to a T vengeance and revenge I mean he was just emotionless about killing people look, don't leave the church wait till we get to the end alright, so some good some good we see but completely especially in Joab's case completely outweighed by the bad because he used the advantages of who he was towards just being in the flesh basically what he wanted so the upcoming series what the personality test means for you is that you can look at these things they will be very accurate to your tendencies I'm telling you you can look at these things you can be aware of these disadvantages you can watch for them and then you can change them but here's the trick years ago I took this test let me give you an example I had to take this test it was a very complicated version of this test hundreds and hundreds of questions and this company that I worked for it was a different industry I came from the semiconductor industry which was very cutthroat and they encouraged you to be cutthroat they encouraged you to be in a meeting with 15 people and if somebody said the wrong thing you were encouraged to just cut them into the ground and just basically call them an idiot in front of everybody because they didn't want stupid ideas I was in my 20s I liked it I'm like this is good we don't want dumb ideas okay but I came from this type of culture of a company and I came into a different industry into the utility industry and they wanted managers that were a certain way so I took the test and you know way down in that quadrant down there and they're like okay and here's the funny thing they were correct they were correct because they did not want leaders that would just come in and manage a project and just run over everybody and the first project I actually had with this company I'll never forget it and I ended up working with these same guys for the next almost 10 years and it just became a great team but the first project I ran I did not run well because what did I do? I just came in and I was like here's how we're doing it they're like what about this we're going this way well you can do this guys with 30 years experience 40 years experience well what about this we could use this valve I know what I'm doing this is the way we're doing it and pretty soon we finished the project but I was pretty much standing by myself by the time the project was done it's not the right way to do things it's not the right way to do things I mean the way that this company they actually taught me to kind of put those things to the side and collaborate with people I mean a church is different I'm talking about a work situation but look collaboration is a good thing that have strengths and technical experience that can be used to make a better product to make a better project I mean I believe in it I didn't believe in it back then but look there are things that you can apply to your disadvantages in the personality test that will make you a better Christian you can apply the Bible to your disadvantages and it will make you a better Christian Joab I mean look Joab had some strengths but they were wasted they were not applied the right way and it defined his entire life in a negative way so the biggest key the biggest key is this though the biggest key when we go into this series and even in Joab's case even in your case as we listen to these sermons and even for sermons whatever sermons or whatever you read in the Bible the biggest key is this the biggest key is the willingness to change is the willingness to change I mean you take the personality test you go read your advantages and you're like yeah I'm great you know and then you read your disadvantages and you're like okay but look here you can successfully mitigate those disadvantages if you're just willing to change and look the personality test is a secular thing and you might find that some advantages that they list are actually disadvantages when we start applying the Bible to it so when you apply the Bible to the traits that these personalities assign to you you might find that you might need to suppress or you know bring out some disadvantages or advantages or vice versa but the bottom line is this you have to concisely change and that's a very difficult thing for most people for most people they kinda are who they are and I'm learning this more and more as I get older but that's why that's why secular industry and secular studies and HR groups that's why they put so much stock in these tests because most people are not going to change most people by the time they get to be 30 years old by the time they get to 30 years old or maybe even younger they're kinda who they are their music is set their ideas are set but look how many times have we seen change people's lives the Bible is not some self-help book written by whoever the Bible is the one thing that can actually what does it do? it cuts to the heart and if you let it it will change you so if you let the Bible if you just drop this is kinda what you just have to do you just kinda have to be the type of person that's like well if it's in the Bible I'm just gonna do it but I still remember after I got saved and I started reading the Bible there was a lot of things I was like that's not how I was raised you pretty much just have to realize that everything that you were taught was wrong and just decide in your mind as you read the Bible as you learn the Bible as we preach the Bible here that if it's in the Bible I'm just gonna believe it and if that requires a change in my life I'm gonna do everything that I can to do that and then you know how do you think we all have the same spirit if we're saved but we're all following the same rule book here we're all trying to make the same changes looking at the same goal that's how we all get along so well here even though we all have these different personalities we all have these different personalities advantages I mean we're not all an arm we're not all a leg it kind of sounds like Paul invented the 16 personalities test you know we all can't be an eye or an ear we have to have all these different things but we do all have to be focused on what's right and what's wrong because you can't just have people like Joab in a church I mean look what he did to a kingdom you can't have people like this just running unchecked organization or a church unfortunately Joab would probably do pretty well out in the world but look if that's the reason that secular studies put so much into this and that's why you'll hear all this stuff today like I mean who's heard this philosophy hey you just gotta be yourself just find out who you are remember those guys out there brother Frank be yourself bro be true to yourself bro that means basically take all the traits that you have that you were born with any fleshly desire that I have be yourself bro just go in that direction that's the opposite of the bible no we're supposed to listen to the bible and our flesh pulls us this way and the bible says no you can't do that you have to go this way and we make that change that's the flesh versus the spirit that's the whole thing so take the personality test and you might be like yeah these are my tendencies but if those are fleshly tendencies leading you towards sin against the bible that's gotta change and that's what we're gonna talk about we're gonna go through the personalities if there's like one personality I'm not gonna do a sermon on it cause I'm not gonna preach an entire sermon against one person even though I'm kinda preaching a sermon against myself these last two sermons I'm reading these traits and I'm just like I can't believe I'm reading this out loud right now that's why my wife cried she's like commander she's reading it it's gonna be fine so we're gonna have a series on it we're gonna go through these traits we're gonna look at what the bible says and we're gonna look at hey you know what this might mean that you wanna go in this direction in these types of scenarios but here's what the bible says the bible says you should do this I'm gonna help you there's just some practical preaching and personalized preaching on this stuff so Joab was an unchecked personality okay so if you're an unchecked personality say yeah but I'm not a commander it doesn't matter you could still be an unchecked personality if you are an executive I've never seen so many executives in one group of people by the way there's like five executives in this church I have to go study that one I don't know what that means if it's good or bad the thing is if you're just an unchecked whatever the disadvantages are really gonna hurt you in your life it destroyed Joab Joab was not listed among the mighty men even though he was a mighty man his brother brothers were listed, Uriah was listed people he murdered were listed and he wasn't listed even though all the victories that he had everything it said he was buried alone in the woods basically he was buried alone think about where you're buried in the bible I mean you read through all the kings and if he was a good king he was buried with his fathers he was buried with the kings you know Jehoida, he wasn't even a king and he was buried with the kings I mean that's impressive Joab look at all the things that he did how many military victories do you think this guy won I mean he had 10 men to carry his armor this guy was a warrior buried by himself in the woods unchecked personality he just lived a selfish life he just did whatever he wanted for his own agenda and look that could be the same for any personality whether it's even the defenders could have oh you defenders think you're so great you know even the defenders can have unchecked disadvantages according to the bible and we'll talk about that that's going to be my first I'm just going to rip on defenders it's like three quarters of everyone and all the good people they're all defenders anyway I'm just kidding but it's a very interesting study but it just shows it doesn't matter what your tendencies are it doesn't matter because that's all just it's all it really what it really should do is show you your strengths especially younger people maybe teenagers just show you your strengths I mean I almost guessed a couple of the teenagers what they would be because they you know it shows okay you're very creative you're very you know you're very in tune to things that are not common you're going to think of out of the box ideas things like this that's good to recognize at a young age maybe that will help define what you go into or define what you do for a living or you know ladies it'll define maybe how you you know raise your children you know we'll look at that as well so it can be a lot it's a big advantage to know more about yourself but the bible it's all of our it's our common goal together is following what this says for us no matter what our flesh says that we should or shouldn't feel or whatever okay let's bow our heads and have a word of prayer