 recording, there we go. And let me cover everything first and then I see people are getting on the call now. And it actually looks like my Zoom is working properly today, so that's great. I can actually see people on the call. Well, first of all, good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Hyper-Litra Healthcare Special Interest Group. This is Rich Block. We are, as a reminder, we're recording this event. This is a public event, open source, open community. As always, we want to start off by talking through our antitrust slide. I'll show that here. Because we are an open source community, all conversations are really shared and so be aware of any IP that you might share in this context. Never a good thing to do. If you want to read details, please refer to our URL for Linux Foundation. That'll give you details. In short, it's all about being a good person. And as, let's see, we get some folks on the call. I think I know just about everyone. Someone by the name of me or my, Novak. Yeah, sorry, that's Michael Novak. Oh, okay. It's the best I can do to fit in such a small spot. But yeah, thank you very much. Okay. I'm trying to remember. Have we met before? What? I'm shocked. You don't remember? Yeah. So of all the billions of people. So, yes, we have met before. I am dialing in. If there's a, I look at the icons, we have raised hands. Yes, no. We don't have one for sheepish. Okay. I've been working on other things focused in digital identity blockchain. So I've been missing the last, oh my goodness, maybe three or four sessions. So, okay, I'm here to sort of catch up and mea culpa, ask for forgiveness and great, great to have you on the call, Mike. Do you prefer Mike or Michael? I prefer Michael, but I'll pretty much answered anything. Yeah, okay. I've been called worse. So, so where are you calling from? Beautiful downtown Arlington, Virginia. Oh, great. We were just talking about the heat wave earlier. So are you part of the heat wave? I don't want to talk about it. Yeah, I know I am. It is, it is, it is summer in DC. And so we will get through it. But there's other good things to focus on, such as hyperledger health care. Well, tell me a little bit about your experience in the hyperledger community and then health care specifically. Sure. So my background is I got started in enterprise software, got involved in blockchain, probably 2015, during the cryptocurrency phase. But given my enterprise software background, I said this is, this is more than what it currently does. So I got involved with the government blockchain association, also got involved with consensus at the time. And then moving forward, in the last 12 months, I've been working with some startups in the smart contract space. And more recently, been focused on digital identities with the hyperledger global forum back in March, I guess I'd be BC before COVID. So I try and keep in touch with the technologies and then specifically within health care. I don't have to tell everyone on the call that I think this is the right tool at the right time to solve some of these issues that health care suffers with from the payer, provider and patient perspective. And then the one last thing I'll throw in that's my special sauce. I've also been working with conversational voice AI, and its application within the health care industry as well. With COVID, it's been a crisis, but also a great opportunity because now I'm talking to payers and providers and they're saying, wow, you mean we could use blockchain to manage patient data or manage our records better, stronger, faster, and we could use voice for things like telemedicine or telehealth. But there's also companies working on doing analytics of voice so that I can figure out if you're at risk for COVID or for cardiac arrest or some sort of neurological diseases all by the sounds of your voice, the phenomes. Very interesting stuff. So the notion of digital identity, digital credentials, SSI, they're all just sort of a multitude of sort of sort of they're all sort of bunched together. I will agree with you in line with very much of what you've been talking about is something that I've noticed as well over. I probably myself got involved probably about five or six years ago in the blockchain space. One of the things that I've noticed year after year within the health care space is initially when the concept of blockchain entered sort of the lexicon for health care, it was really focused around the DLT. And then to your points, very specifically, the shift more recently has been as it relates to digital identity management and or whatever we want to call it SSI. And I'm really excited about that. Some of the work that we're doing here in the Seattle area with Providence Health relates to that. And it is by virtue of the fact that you know, COVID has sort of arrived, has really accelerated some of the focus in this area. And to be honest, I think that's that really is to your point, very specifically, that is the way forward for very much of what's been happening here. Because everything tends to be very patient centric as a result. The other aspect of function at a sort of more of a meta level is value based care shift. Yeah. And so and that by definition puts a lot of emphasis on patient engagement and patient management. So yeah, what what you're describing, Michael is very much I think in line with what, with many of us are seeing. So so thanks for getting, getting involved, getting sort of reactivated. Great to have you on the call. Very much appreciated. And yeah, and it'll be it'll be fun to get just sort of maybe tied in with Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm looking for to is, like I said, if there was a sheepish button, I would push it because I feel honestly, I need to I want to and I need to get involved because I, I'm not going to solve it myself. I'm not that arrogant. But it's a good cause, good purpose. It's the right time for a solution for this specific industry. Yeah, it's very excited to investigate, you know, how do we set up the standards that can apply and be modified and changed to accommodate, you know, what comes down the pike. But yeah, it's all good stuff. Yeah, well, good, good. And sheepish. Yeah, I'm an extremely introverted introverted person. So you just sometimes just do what you got to do. And so, you know, you just you jump into it. Yeah, exactly. Well, great to have on the call. Thank you. Appreciate it, Michael. Yeah, thank you. Well, good morning to Guillermo as well. How are you doing Guillermo? Hi, Rich. How are you? Good morning, everyone. Did you want to share some of your news that you passed along to me earlier this week? I think it was? Yeah, yeah. Thank you very much for your support. What I did was a brief webinar, but it's important one in Argentina. Argentina is moving very fast and getting traction in terms of the adoption of blockchain into the government. Actually, the science and technology department from Cordoba, Argentina, create this webinar. They invite me to talk a little bit about especially what we are doing and how it works, the special interest groups in hyperlager. The good news was that all the people who presented were companies that is working into the hyperlager environment or projects. So everyone, we were aligned into the into the specific details about how it works. And one of the things I presented was I get permission to talk a little bit with some companies that has been participating into the past meetings here into the SIG and show basically how it works, what is hyperlager, because as we were talking in the last months, there are a huge interest in to have a in Spanish information about hyperlager. So one of the goals that we are having into the new created hyperlager Latin American chapter is to try to translate and explain what we are doing in Spanish in our local language. And that was a very good experience with them. They really like it. And this specific webinar was for healthcare. So there was one company from Chile, one company from Argentina, and another one, I believe from Peru. So thank you very much for your support. I mean, I can share with you later the webinar, that record webinar in YouTube, but was a great experience. And of course, one of my goals was to show them how SIG healthcare is working and the coordination between several countries trying to solve a problem like, for example, COVID. So thank you for for the information you share with me. And of course, all the people who will allow me to present, actually, I sent the links to the hyperlager wiki, where the record sessions are right now, posts. So I believe that the people is going to take a look into our sites and into the agendas that are record in the past. Oh, well, excellent. Well, thank you for that Guillermo. And congratulations on the opportunity to present Argentina. And it sounds like there's a lot of potential growth that's happening there. It sounds like there's some good sort of organization happening. And I'm very excited for that. I see Brian is on our on the call this morning. So Brian, mental notes that it sounds like there's some very interesting things happening in South America, Latin America. Yes, definitely. That's very encouraging to hear. Yeah. Well, again, thank you, Guillermo. And yeah, if you can pass the YouTube link over, that would be great. I'd be happy to share that with membership here. We can post that somewhere up on our wiki. And yeah, that very exciting. And again, thanks. Thanks very much for for helping to coordinate that. And thanks for the update as well. Thank you for your support. And thank you very much all of the people who share with me some material. Yeah, oh, absolutely. Yeah, you bet. Whatever we can do to support you. Phenomenal. Again, thanks. Gracias. Okay. And I think just the rest of the folks I think I know pretty well. Anyone want to say hello? Actually, I see someone I don't recognize. Heels, you, me. Yeah, introduce yourself. Sure. Hi, our apologies. So, Heels, I'm connecting through our faculty access through our VPN. Heels stands it's a acronym for healthy living systems at Nova Medical School in Lisbon, Portugal. We are part of the high college or health care group. Since two years ago. And we've been following this quickly, your your meetings. So our apologies for for the low profile and generic username. Well, thanks for that. No apologies necessary. Tell us a little bit about some of the work that that you're doing in Portugal. Okay, so inside Nova Medical School, we have an applied research unit called Exponential Medicine Unit. And we have a working group that is called Big Blockchain Interest Group. We are part, in fact, of the Portuguese Alliance for Blockchain. And we are specifically interested about the application, of course, of blockchain or DLT technologies in the development of health care service models, and in particular, through the gamification of public health guidelines. And we are developing several exploratory and some pet projects. But until now, there's there's, let's say, in our due diligence process, there's a lack of an overall global lack of maturity regarding the application of these technologies to, you know, translated to a production level service models or so. So from up to now, it's just research interest and an overall due diligence process that we are entailing at the global level. Very interesting. So it'd be great to learn more if you have any Yeah, yeah, we definitely are at a stage that we will be able to connect and discuss the more granular way. In fact, we are, we already have several exploratory meetings and discussions with some of the active members of this group and companies. So we will definitely pursue that, that venue and that pathway. Discussing different possibilities. Excellent. Well, very good. So I just, you know, for and this is true for anyone who hasn't already sort of taken advantage of it, we do keep a membership directory, I'm showing it here. It's a great opportunity to get your information sort of posted up here. It's sort of a virtual business card of sorts. And really the purpose of this is to share information, direct one on one between members. We started this probably about a year ago and it continues to grow. So I'm very happy for that. And so yeah, if feel free to make use of that for those of you who haven't, it's a great opportunity to just find a way to connect and keep in touch with one another outside of these general meetings. Well, thanks. Thanks for the update. I appreciate it. And again, welcome to the group. And yeah, sure. We'd love to continue to the conversation. We could certainly find some time maybe in the future if you and your team would like to present and talk a little bit more about some of the work that you're doing. And we're, you know, we're some of the focus of your efforts is sort of leading you to Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay, anyone else want to do a quick introduction before we move on? I think I think everybody is we all kind of know each other. These these are sort of our regulars. So great to have you. Okay, well, let's move forward then. Community announcements offhand. I don't have anything to share necessarily. If anyone has a meetup that they'd like to share, or an event that is related to hyper ledger specific, or ideally, something blockchain related in the health care, health care community, please feel free to do so. Okay, so let's move forward. Sorry. Hey, if there's event announcements, we, we at Consensus Health are hosting a veteran health symposium on August 26 with members from DHA and VA discussing many elements of blockchain technology, kind of also data inequities within veteran populations, and global public health type of talking points, use cases and working groups. So that's going to be on August 26. You can actually go on the website. I'll actually send a put a link in the chat here to for everyone to be aware of. But the veteran health symposium is occurring at 10 o'clock on 10 o'clock Eastern time on August 26. We love anyone that's part of this group to be involved as well. Oh, excellent. Thanks, Mike. Yeah, if you want, feel free to post that to listserv. And then that information, I'll sort of loop back into meeting agendas. And that way, we'll make sure that we'll, we'll help to sort of broadcast that through, I think, what was it August 22, did you say? 26, August 26. Okay. Yeah, we can, we can keep that on the agenda for community announcements. So we get the message out. And then, like I said, listserv would be another way to do it just to get it off to membership. Thanks for that, Mike. Thank you. Okay, so let's move forward to subgroup updates. Dennis, do you want to give us an update on the patient subgroup? Yes. Thank you, everybody. There is not a big change since last time. We started also discussing the implementation of e-consent with, together with the trial protocol, plus patient recruitment, and possibly with clinical monitoring in the future. And we have been discussing what is the best architecture possible together with IOT and wearables, plus plus front-end mobile. And we are trying to fix the scope in the next meetings. And hopefully we will have a contribution and collaboration by different team members, SIG members. You will, you are very much welcome to join our team. And just for a little bit of context, Dennis, some of the work that you're doing, really, you've been doing this work in parallel using both hyperledger fabric and sawtooth. Is that correct? Yes. And we are getting more focused to hyperledger fabric at the moment. And any, can you share any sort of interesting, maybe anecdotes with developing for one platform versus the other? Are you the right person to ask that question? This is a very ideological slope to the fabric. And the most important, I mean, lessons learned was fabric is much more, I mean, it's much more accepted in the community. So you will find larger resources to develop a project. And sawtooth has also different benefits, especially with more freedom, you can develop your architecture. But fabric is much better and well known. And the fact is, with the framework you have, you can also communicate with different stakeholders easier. And the chain code plus the notes and et cetera, it is also better to represent and communicate at the moment than the sawtooth. So this was the most important lessons learned from the comparison of the two for one use case. Gotcha. And the focus that you guys have is e-consent for the sake of clinical trials. And then just a little bit about yourself. I mean, there's some very good connection in Europe as it relates to some of the larger pharma companies. So I'm thrilled to know that the proof of concept that the team developed is very functional. And it's very exciting to know that you continue to mature that work effort. Do you want to tell us a little bit about timeframe? How often and when do you meet? Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity. And we meet every two weeks on Monday's seven Pacific time after the SIG meetings. So next week will be also the next meeting, next call for our subgroup. And you are very much welcome to join us. Excellent. Thanks, Dennis. Appreciate the update. So I don't see Ravisha on the call for payer subgroup. Do we have anyone from the team that wants to give a little bit of an update? So I'll just I'll cover it a little bit. So we know that revisionist team presented on some of the work that the payer subgroup did. I want to say maybe two or three sessions ago. What they're doing is they're sort of looking at the use case in in sort of next generation pharmacy as it relates from a patient perspective and prescription management. They they were they got the go ahead to push their work up to hyperledger labs. And so so it's great to see that that is being taken advantage of. This is a fairly new use case. They they started this work. They're moving very quickly on the work effort. And for anyone that's interested specifically in in this payer subgroup as it relates specifically to this use case, I think they're calling it next generation pharmacy services or something to that effect. This is a great opportunity. They also meet every two weeks. I believe they meet every two weeks opposite of this meeting. So so it'll be their next meeting will be Friday and then every two weeks after that. For the health care interoperability subgroup. Let's see. I don't see Stephen on the call. Anyone from that subgroup want to speak to that? So so I'll speak to that. So Stephen what what his work is doing the focus of his team and the work that they're doing relates to semantic interoperability. So usually we think in terms of syntactic interoperability. His team is looking at semantic interoperability and making use of a blockchain, a DLT at the back end to identify ways to maintain effectively semantic dictionaries to sort of arbitrate interoperability between disparate endpoints. That is ongoing work. They are I think they're our most our youngest subgroup. So I think Stephen is still continuing to look for kind of a team a consistent core team. I think they're around half a dozen members or so. So this would be a great opportunity to sort of step in and help out on that. I'll say that I would think relatively anyway Stephen's team is probably the most technical for anyone that has an interest in getting a little bit more technical. And I believe the DLT that they're using is is a fabric as well. Okay, so let's let's move forward to our ad hoc teams ad hoc teams are really well they're there ideally to sort of do some of the some of the work for the sake of the SIG and oftentimes sometimes turn into subgroups. I'll just talk a little bit about a Wiki redesign team. This is an ongoing work effort. I'm always looking for someone in the with with confluence expertise interested in just continuing to evolve our design and trying to find ways to better engage membership particularly newer members into the SIG. And so if you are a confluence expert, you know, come find me and it'd be great to get your get your expertise sort of rolled into to the into the special interest group. So let's talk about the use case development team. Erica, do you want to give us an update on some of the work that you and the team has been doing? Sure. So the team and I actually haven't met in quite a while because the Indira and I have been the ones that have submitted quite a bit of detailed content. And I need to go through that content and create more of a high level use case. And that is the one on drug supply chain using DLT. So I'm still working on that. And I haven't I haven't really scheduled any meetings because I wanted to get that at some sort of presentable level to show as an example. So that's kind of on me to get going on. And that's where I'm at with that. Okay. Yeah. And sort of the backstory to that is this is something that we determined a value I think not at the most most recent HIMS conference, which was canceled by the one prior to that, we had quite a number of health care professionals coming up to us asking us about whether we had use cases available to help sort of flesh out or define better defined for them how hyper ledger might be used in the health care space. And so this is a work effort that really spun out of that. I think Wendy Charles took that on initially. And then Erica, you took that over. And this is sort of a longer term effort in concert with hyper ledger leadership to identify proper format, a consistent format for getting use cases out to membership, and then out to the broader health care community. So great to see that this continues to move forward. And thanks for that, Erica. Okay. Any other comments before we move forward? So a couple of things as everyone knows, COVID virus continues at a global level. It is very persistent, especially here in the US. And I'll speak for here in the Seattle area. We we continue to deal with this. It's, you know, things are moving in the wrong direction. We just got a mandate from our governor yesterday. I want to say that puts a little bit more cartels, many more activities. And then we were hoping at this stage anyway. And so I want to maintain this the sort of section for pandemic support. Really, what it goes to is its funding. Many of us are in organizations that are small organizations, some of them are startups. And many and actually in fact, some of the larger organizations always are looking for funding support to support the projects as they relate to COVID. So this is sort of a short list at both a global and a more US focused level relating to opportunities and resources for the sake of funding. I don't think I'm going to go through these necessarily one by one. I do sort of walk these lists in advance of every meeting and sort of take a look to see where the value goes to, whether they're they're being maintained or not. So you'll see in the bold face, whether these resources are updated or not. In general, these are particularly here in the US. These are very worthwhile. If you're a smaller organization, I think less than 150 people, I think used to be the metric for that. These are called SBIRs or STTRs. And I call them sitters and cibbers. I used to use them when I worked in government. And these are great opportunities. So something to take a review pass through if you're looking to find a way to fund your COVID research, ideally using blockchain technologies. Has anyone done any work or is currently in works with a blockchain solution for the sake of COVID? So I would guess offhand, Mike, some of the work that you're doing, maybe by way of consensus comes close to that. Yeah, a little bit on nothing that we can, I guess, publicly announce yet, but we are we are in different we're in pre-commercial stages for some of our solutions. So we are constantly looking for fundraising help wherever we can. Yeah, and I'll just mention some of the work that I'm doing. Well, I think ultimately become public. It tends to relate to digital credentials. And ideally, we'll see something towards the end of the year. Yeah, and I did come this year. I think we are also doing health care in the COVID-19. I think we presented it in the high player health care group last time. Yeah, hey, Kamlesh, how are you? Yeah, you want to tell us a little bit about that just just to the extent that you can. Yeah, hi, I'm got it. So, so actually, in India, there is a COVID-19 cases are increasing. And so with the kind of research institute and my company, we are doing some kind of excellent analysis using the blockchain and AI to identify the COVID-19 checkups. So right now, like suppose, doing the any test in India is cost around 2550000 around and I think 200 to be $200 cost. And using the XRA, it could be reduced to 10 times. And in the some kind of premier institutes like IITs and my startup, doing some kind of pilot and some kind of building the infrastructure using the XRA and the blockchain and AI to find out those cases where we just we just can put the one kind of XRA bus and all the XRA taken of the people who pass through those those buzz and it will be sent to the blockchain server and it could be realized using the XRA analysis algorithms. That kind of what we're doing in India. Yeah, that sounds that sounds familiar. But yeah, thanks for the update. I appreciate that. And is it moves forward? Yeah, it moves forward forward. And we are now even extending it to the kind of immunity passport kind of thing. Like suppose when all this XRA analysis are tested, patients are tested so they can use this record to present to the any authorities to prove that they are they are clear and they don't have any COVID-19 positive symptoms like that. Excellent. Well, good. It's great to hear that that we're seeing some some real sort of tangible action happening here. Appreciate the update, Kamalaj. Thank you. OK, this is Jonathan. The only thing I would add is what I mentioned on the Wednesday's hydrological identity call, which is that Jack Callahan and I are working in the IEEE health care identity subgroup on a schema definition that would work between different did issuers, including zero knowledge proofs as mostly in Jason LD formatting. And so and it sort of highlights some of the challenges of the semantic and cryptographic interoperability to solve this. And I think that's more of a technical problem, but I think that still troubles me as far as our governance framework of in the end, it's not going to be binary. Yes or no, you are immune for COVID-19. There really is going to be a population health monitoring to see how efficacious a vaccine would be or past exposure will be. Yeah. So I think that's still, I think, emerging. And I think Brian actually mentioned a little bit about this Linux for public health and maybe this role for that or this new trust over IP framework to help out with the governance and trust policies that actually would tag on to verify a credential. Yeah, that's that's an excellent point, Jonathan. It's interesting because a lot of the solutions that I've been hearing about tend to be binary and I think that is a little bit short-sighted. It's the case that I think we just maybe don't know enough quite yet about the virus, but it's the speculation going forward is this is something that you would hope has something of a long tail, a little bit more traceability. And so any design going forward has to sort of take that into account. And if solutions are purely binary, I think there's going to be there's a shortfall there. Yeah, great, great point, Jonathan. Okay, so really the last piece of information I wanted to share with you is really we're at today is the last the very last day for for nominations for chair that that opportunity closes out at the end of the day today, just just before midnight. So I just want to make sure we were not being particularly focused around any one time zone. So we kept it as open as we could. I believe at the moment, Mike is going to is running. He's got the nomination, I think you're going to run an unopposed mic. So we'll see how things darn, I wanted some competition. Yeah. So if that really plays out the way that it appears to play out, we'll, we'll probably make the announcement next week. If we do find that we get some other nominations coming through in advance of end of day today, we'll go through a more formal elections cycle and that'll be scheduled next week. We've got, we've got the voting stuff sort of set up and ready to go. It's just a question of whether we have to execute on that or not. It has been for me a great opportunity over the past two years. And I think actually, the prior to that, I spent a year or so helping develop the hyper ledger meet up here in the Pacific Northwest. That was great fun. And then I tried to transition over to the, to that healthcare sick. Actually, at the time it was healthcare working group. We were very, very new at the time. So I would say these past three years have certainly been an exciting time. Great opportunity to meet people. I've met some really amazing folks over the years, certainly. And one of the amazing things is I've really had an opportunity to meet people from all over the world with very, very common interests, regardless of culture, literally work regardless of where they they live. And we all have very, very common interests and needs. And it has been an absolute pleasure to work with so many very, very professional people. So, so thanks, everyone. I really appreciate the time and the opportunity these past few years have been very exciting for me. And clearly, we have developed an exceptional team. We have just just under 1000 members. And, and, you know, clearly only percentage of those people maybe 10% tend to be a little bit more participatory. Yet that, you know, those hundred people are so are truly amazing folks. So thank you very much. Rich, this is Ravish. I just joined late. So I apologize. But I just wanted to again, thank you for your leadership. I think it has been very, very helpful. You know, I personally learned a lot about how, you know, you have been doing things. So I just wanted to convey you the same. Thank you very much for all your efforts. Thanks, Ravish. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, Ravish is one of what I call stars. Ravish runs our payor subgroup. And you have been doing that for quite some time. So phenomenal. And thank you, Ravish. Yeah, Brian. Let me find the unmute here. And yes, of course, thank you from the whole of the hyperledger staff, Rich, you know, you've been really great to work with and exactly the right kind of leader that we've needed for our special interest groups, but also for this this broad topic. It's such a critical time connecting the healthcare community with potential for and and really the complexity of blockchain technology. So I was looking forward to hanging with you at Hymns this year said that didn't happen. But I'm sure there'll be other opportunities for that. And just, you know, we owe you a debt. So thank you so much for thanks, Brian. Yeah, very much appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah, Guillermo. Okay, I just want to join the same words from all all the team here. I believe that for me is special because you were one of the ones who really helped me to understand how it works. The special interest groups. You helped me also to create and relaunch the meetup hyperlager here in Mexico because it was since 2018, nobody the take care of that. So all the material, all the support and especially all the coaching that you gave me was really amazing. So I just want to say thanks to you. And of course, this is a very special group because I believe that all the information that we get from other part of the world and all the community that is joining this group will help us at least in our region where, you know, it's not easy to handle or to take technology as as a enable enabler to to create a better world or a better conditions for our countries. So thank you very much again because it's not just only a person hosting a group. It's really taking coordination and efforts that everyone can take advantage of that. So thank you very much, Rich. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Guillermo. Well, I really appreciate it. And you help me practice my Spanish. So gracias, but yeah, I'm very thankful for that. And I think you're a great example of the kind of work that we're able to do through this special lunches group. Like I said, the work that we do really doesn't see any borders. And I'm just continually amazed that the work we do is, in fact, global and it's felt globally. And I'm just excited to see this continue to move forward. Yeah, Kamalish. Yeah, so I also want to thank you. I'm just kind of kind of involving the Hyperledger Health Care SID from since its inception since I think 1780 and is great. I think you lead the group very well. And yeah, thank you for that. Thank you, Kamalish. Appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely. And again, your involvement is very critical. And so it's one of these great things where, you know, we come together individually and we form a collective and that's really the power of the of the organization. So thank you for that. Erica. Yeah, I just wanted to second what everyone else is saying. It's been a pleasure to work with you as the vice chair. And I really look forward to kind of stepping up and doing more and working with Mike or whoever does take over your role. But it's been great working with you. And it just makes it a pleasure to call in to know that you're hosting. I need to do a great job moderating. And yeah, I just wanted to say thank you. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for Erica. And thanks for all of your work and support over the past year or so. Yeah, I, you know, again, it's it's it really is a collective work. It is something that no one individual can do. So this is I, you know, just in general, and this is just a very broad might my sort of own interpretation leadership. I always think in terms of orchestration, it's the guy that that conducts sort of synchronizes all the professionals, all the experts. And it's really it's really it's a reflection of the work that that everyone does. And I'm just I'm just there to help to help facilitate really. So so thanks for that, Erica, I appreciate it. OK, well, again, thanks, everyone. I think as it stands right now, if if things move forward as we sort of suspect that they might in the next couple of weeks, our next meeting coming up will be on August 7th. We do have a special speaker coming through. Let me just pull this one up. It's it's a team from St. Gitt's College of Engineering out of India. They have some really interesting work that they wanted to share with us. We got in touch with them or they got in touch with us several months ago. This is a sort of a long term process. They have a very dedicated team of individuals that will be presenting in a couple of weeks. So I think if we go and impose, I think Mike will be sort of taking over. We'll sort of we'll see how that goes after the end of the day. But ideally we can jinx it. There might be the last. Yeah, we'll stay well lay low. We'll just lay low. All the reminders have gone out. So so we're just in coast mode here. Just we're counting down the hours here, Mike. But then yeah, ideally, Mike will be picking up in two weeks. So I give Mike best efforts going forward and best of luck. And we have a phenomenal group here. So thanks everyone. And again, appreciate it. Have a great weekend. And of course, be very, very safe going forward. We will will be talking to you soon. I'm sure. Thanks all. Thank you. Yeah, thank you.