 Welcome everyone. We have hit the magic time to start our webinar. And this is Una Daly from the Community College Consortium for Open Educational Resources, and I want to welcome you to our first fall webinar of 2018 on Collaborative Platforms for Open Content Development. And I'm pleased to say we have two very exciting projects and the leaders here who are going to share with you. All right, let me just get my slide started here. So our agenda is I'm going to introduce our speakers in just a moment and then we're going to have a very quick overview of CCCOER and I want to welcome our brand new members to the consortium. And then we're going to hear from two projects. We're going to hear from the Massachusetts Go Open OER Hub and then we're going to hear from the Early Childhood Education Discipline Groups. And then we have a few news items at the end about what's coming up and how to stay involved in our community. So I want to welcome everybody again who's joining us today and invite you to share your information in the chat window. You should be able to see the chat window under the More button or up in your toolbar and share with us, if you will, who you are, what institution you're from and any OER interest you might have. And now I'm going to turn to our speakers here and ask them to give us a very quick hello and whatever they'd like to share with us very quickly before we dive into the main part of our webinar. So first up is Donna Maturi. She's the coordinator of library services at Middlesex Community College. Good afternoon everyone. So I've been at Middlesex for about four years now and involved in OER for the last three. We're working very hard to get our OER initiative up and running and expanding and it's been wonderful working with our statewide partners which we'll be telling you a little bit about in our presentation. Hi everyone. I'm Peter Shea. I'm Donna's colleague at Middlesex Community College, Massachusetts. I'm the director of professional development here. I am by training an instructor and an instructional designer and my area of particular interest in OER has been interactive open. Great. Thank you. Thank you Donna and Peter. And of course they're at Middlesex College which is one of the 15 colleges in the Massachusetts Go Open project and which has been doing amazing in the last few years. All right. Next I want to turn to Amanda Tainter who is an early childhood education faculty at Readley College. She's also the OER coordinator there. My official title is faculty coordinator of instructional design and distance education. I come from child development and still am able to teach child development courses. We've been working towards developing and utilizing OER on our campus for about two years now and our child development department has been leading that charge. Thank you Amanda and we'll make sure we correct that before we post the slides. I apologize for that. And next up is Jennifer Parris who is also an early childhood education faculty member but at College of the Canyons and she's also leading a ZTZ degree program at her college in the same area just as Amanda is. Jennifer. Hi everybody. Yeah I don't have a fancy title. I am in my fourth semester so I guess my official title would be assistant professor. Yes we're super excited to be here at College of the Canyons and really trying to leverage the interest nationwide on creating OER content because there isn't a lot out there yet which we'll talk more about but that's kind of a little preview. So welcome everybody. And thank you Jennifer as well and she and Amanda will be telling us about their national early childhood education discipline group which is really an exciting effort around bringing educators from around the country together to develop this content. And I also want to mention that Matthew Bloom is with me today. He's part of our executive council. He's in at Scottsdale Community College and he's helping with coordinating the chat window and of course Quill West is here. The president of CCCOER Liz Yotta my support specialist is here and I'm sorry if more of my executive council are here. They can they can type it in the chat window. I can't scroll down now. We have over 50 people now at our webinar and we're so excited to have you join us. So just for those of you who might be new to the Community College Consortium for OER we are celebrating actually our 11th year. Our anniversary was last year for 10 and our mission remains very much the same as when we first started about expanding awareness and access to high quality OER supporting faculty in this work as they develop it and at the heart of all this is improving student success. Of course many things have changed in the last 10 or 11 years. We've gone from individual faculty adoptions to full OER degree pathways or zero textbook cost pathways depending on your terminology and of course we're going to these statewide repositories as well which we're going to hear more about soon. I just want to mention our membership really quickly. CCCOER has 70 members in 30 states and I just want to give a shout out to our brand new members who joined us this summer and into the fall. Central Carolina Community College College of Southern Nevada, Heinz Community College in Mississippi and Fox Valley Technical College just joined us this week so very excited to have them as members. Now I wanted to just say a few words about collaborative platforms before I turn this over to our experts in this area. Last June we had a webinar on OER collaboration and developing materials and we got some feedback after that webinar that you wanted to hear specifically about platforms from the people who were using these platforms and so that's what drove us reaching out to Peter and Donna to talk about the OER hub they're developing and also Amanda and Jennifer who are using the Revis community platform for developing their early childhood education group and in listening to them you know over the last week as we were reviewing what their talk these four things kind of came out for me and I think there's a lot of more nuances involved but they're looking to provide a simplified search for OER with Jennifer and Amanda of course it's specific for early childhood education so providing a place for their faculty who are participating in this to go and find that materials easily and make it searchable by course ID and course outcomes and things like that. A second one is collaborative authoring space so a place where faculty and subject matter experts can collaborate on authoring together the content. Another piece that I heard particularly from Amanda and Jennifer is about a publishing workflow so how do you go from concept learning outcome you know modules with content in it to actually publishing something that can be reused and delivered to students and finally something I think that perhaps Peter and Donna have talked a little bit more about is sharing the development costs around providing a shared resource like this and also the maintenance going forward so it's you know there's the upfront development costs but then maintaining particularly hubs where you're curating materials but also true in a discipline group how do you continue with that maintenance and having a community of practice around that is very helpful so it's not just one college or one faculty member who's responsible. So now I'd like to turn this over to Donna and Peter and I'm going to stop sharing my screen so they can start theirs. I'm not hearing you did you guys mute yourself by any chance Donna or Peter? Can you hear us now? We can hear you now. Great thank you. I went down to the screen and suddenly the unmute button disappeared. I'm just now looking to get to these screen sharing as well so I apologize to take a second here. No worries. Yeah I'm sorry for some reason the the controls seem to seem to have vanished for a moment there I'm trying to find them again but um okay so if you so are they they should be either at the bottom or yeah I know they used they were popping up before and now suddenly for some reason the control vanished I apologize to everyone for this but um so it's one of those classic we may have to rejoin you I'm so sorry. Well you know I um I do actually also have I have um have you found yours? Excellent minimize video I think yeah I think I found it thank you this year it got minimized for some reason so let me go into the share okay and uh there we go I think we're going to share it now and excellent I think we got it yeah that's perfect thanks everybody for your patience. No worries. So in any case um our little story about um how we um arrived at a building of a shared OER hub of community colleges of Massachusetts. Again we know that introduction before um Donna and I were part of the Go Open um council here at um the community colleges of Massachusetts um part of collaboration over our 15 community colleges it was an initiative to start two years ago and um uh it produced a very large body of OER materials as well as significant savings um for the community colleges that participated. Donna how much again did we do? So we um we were able to create over 800 items that we um had and of course those were this was part of a tax grant from the Department of Labor um those items were then uploaded into skill commons but the members of the council we very much wanted to have a repository that we were able to upload all our materials and where each community college would have its own imprint um so the repository part of that project um really came at at the very conclusion of the tax grant and we were fortunate in that it did because there was tax money available to help fund the initial repository. So this is just information about um this is really the origin of our hub was it came out of the mask go open um that initial funding um is allowed us to purchase um and to contract with ISCME which is OER commons and we're now just going through the design work and the initial uploads um of some of those materials and um we're we're getting administrators from each of the 15 community colleges to help us do that. Yes and uh our our promise has been tremendously supportive he's helped coordinate communication with the other chief academic officers and again I think it's really been a priority in the state over the past two years um to really build up our OER capacity um thanks to the the energy that was produced by go open which was initially um headed by Sue Tashin and Jodi Carson of the Northern Essex Community College I don't think we can say enough for the leadership that they've produced in this area and it certainly helped accumulate in the development of the Northeast OER summit which we have every year at UMass Amherst. We had some conversations with Mindy I know Mindy's in the audience jump in anytime Mindy as we talk about ISCME um and OER commons but um they were a very um attractive platform for us they had many hubs that we could view and take a look at and see how this might work for the 15 community colleges here in the Commonwealth um and it's it's really been a wonderful experience thus far so um the way we selected OER commons is that we did put out an RFP and there are only two vendors that submitted proposals um and it was essentially members from the OER council statewide council that reviewed those proposals and awarded it to OER commons. So why did OER commons succeed? Well there are a number of things one of which of course for community colleges is also always the matter of cost um we put the price was eminently reasonable and um about 11 000 to start um the hub and about 1500 to maintain it or something in that neighborhood um again in terms of pricing it was right within the area that we could afford um and certainly made it eminently interesting to the chief academic officers who could see the way to help and fund it. There was also the fact that we produced through GOEP and so many resources that we really need a centralized place to put them obviously um they were they could be uh located in skills commons and OER commons but one of the things that we typically hear from faculty is when I go to existing OER repositories I can't I spent 20 minutes just trying to find very simple things so we realized that um it was a good idea for us to begin exploring creating our own statewide repository where we could really tag things and make it much easier for faculty to find them because we really felt apart from the production of OER materials um finding a way to facilitate the location and use of OER was one of our chief priorities um and again the um the agreement with OER commons allowed not only for a shared hub but for um functions a lot of individual institutions also to create unique contributions for um the administrators the librarians that are going to be helping out to have tools that are easy to use to be able to complete the authoring process so we were very impressed by OER commons um contract what what they offered to us and the fact that their authoring and curation tools were um very accessible and could be you know could be used by our faculty as well as our you know administrators and librarians in my experience as an instructional designer it's very important that um when you're using uh technology with faculty given the range of um a technical comfort there are one faculty that you want the tools to be as simple and easy to use as possible and I think the ones that um that were provided by um is made for OER commons were quite easy to learn so we're we're actually in the midst of our training and support um by our team over at ISCME so we've been needing a weekly for the last several weeks um and they've been very accessible and it's been a real it's been a real wonderful process very um probable free they're very flexible um and so that's been that's been great and once we do go live we still have their support um we will have their trainings that have been filmed so that we can make those available um and we also have access to their help center um for additional support and I also think too that by the OER commons so so much one of the better known repositories that helps increase the confidence of the people um we're going to be working with the hub in a sense that it's being connected to a larger national um facility so ISCME also provides an analytics dashboard that will you know incorporate sound to you I thought I was the one who's frozen but I guess they're frozen I imagine Peter and Donna are going to be right back of course you know none of this ever happens while you're rehearsing everything works lawlessly okay looks like we've got sorry someone at the computer decided to reboot so I'm just gonna demo gods are against you Peter me again so um so I'm just trying to do this screen sharing again now it's why let's see do I um let's see I click on share so it says you catch let's see um there we go let's share and skip down to where I think we were uh data analytics and present so loading and there we go so I think we're back in the game now can you everybody hear us yep we can hear you great great so um some of the challenges that we're facing is that each of us that um are working on the repository all have at least another full time job and responsibilities in addition um to launching this repository um and we've got a core team suit to ask you in for northern Essex is Peter mentioned and Jody Carson we've got a really great core team but the fact of the matter is it's a challenge on a weekly basis to make sure that we're keeping up with what we need to do and I think as we involve more administrators group administrators from other community colleges and we get a little bit of our rhythm going I think we're going to be doing just fine but I think it's a challenge for any collaborative cross institutional group didn't really build here for us we're kind of like um we're figuring out as we go along um and by the end of the year I think we'll be much wiser about how this process should undergo but again I think I'm very I'm very confident that we have a lot of momentum um we have so many great colleagues our community colleges here in Massachusetts who want to um go forward with this work and they are all very excited when the hub was launched and in fact I got an email this morning basically from one colleague from one of our major community colleges going when can I start so I think apart from the occasional glitches like the one we saw a few months ago um I think we have a lot of momentum but as time I said we're all of us pretty much are adding this on top of our existing full-time jobs and many of us like those of you in all the community colleges already have pretty full plates so things like tagging and adding metadata is going to be one of the challenges going forward it's such a crucial part of doing any OER work but it is time consuming so we're trying to figure out now just how much time we need to allocate to the activity how much of the activity can we ask of faculty who are creating the OER material um so that for us is still pretty much a question Mark but we're hopeful the next few months to be able to have we all offer um a reasonably good answer to that at the time we were putting together this presentation um we were noting that in the Commonwealth now that the tax grant is is completed um there really is no overarching funding statewide initiative or funding um for OER development in massachusetts each individual community college has to fund its own development and means to share their OER resources with other institutions um we were very fortunate that our as Peter mentioned our chief academic officers rally the troops of other academic officers and so the agreement was tax would pay for the initial cost of the repository and then on a yearly basis the community colleges will split that fee we are really excited because there's been um skipping around here i'm going to go to the next slide we are really excited because um another grant was just funded and the name of that grant which is a successor to mass go open is the mass OER collaborative and that funding which I think at least 75 000 it hasn't exactly been announced officially 75 000 in additional money for stipends or faculty across the Commonwealth um and the fact that we have are building this repository in conjunction with the collaborative grant um I think is is really wonderful that we can say to faculty here's this repository that we're building um so that your materials can be uploaded directly into that um I think is really great so and we're building capacity for OER across the public higher education system in the Commonwealth so thank you and thank you for asking me to be involved in OER um so again many of you are in community college systems that are already pretty well integrated with one other um the mass students community colleges have just pretty independently of each other um for many years but now going to planning enrollments there's a lot of competitions around how we can collaborate and share resources so the OER provides an opportunity for modeling collaborative activities that can probably be applied to other non OER activities between the community colleges so that's something that we can make a unique contribution as the colleges go forward um again the hub is going to be a great opportunity for us to really scale up our work and model ourselves on the great work that's been done by other states in this area for example open oregon um so one of the questions we ask is um how do you sustain it um I know that from the experiences of other states it's often uneven how much OER momentum you can carry forward depending upon a variety of conditions and again I think um we're optimistic but we're we're cautiously optimistic because we know that our faculty are incredibly busy people they're concerned about OER and they're concerned about the cost of education for their students but they're also involved and they're also asked on a routine basis to do many many things so um again we'll be observing um the creation and adoption over the next uh couple years but certainly this latest grant is certainly a great boost but that provides money the other thing that I hear from faculty is I'm glad you have the money but now you need to find a way to give me the time as well so in my own case I find that funding OER work during the summertime is a good idea as director of professional development I have access to regular mini grant funds and it's certain to give that the portion just for the creation of OER so I have found thus far that um during the regular year the summertime is really the best time to um have faculty work on OER projects which means of course that the conversation around the development of OER work should begin sometime in the spring right so I we really think that this hub is going to be a great a great value to hopefully not just the commonwealth but for institutions outside of the commonwealth I've come to rely on some of these other statewide initiatives such as Open Oregon and Open Washington and Georgia the list goes on so we hope that we can contribute as well through this this great hub that we're putting together yeah I you think there's a certain degree of embarrassment too at the state level because Massachusetts always prides itself as you probably heard on being the quote-unquote education states um OER um work apart from the work that was done 15 years ago by um MIT in terms of open force where we really haven't been out in the front of OER work I think since then and we've been watching um with a certain degree of envy of what the other states have been doing so now is our opportunity to really um play catch up make a unique contribution all right well thank you so much Peter and Donna um and I want to open this up for a couple of questions I'm just a tad over but um okay you did have a question here in the chat window from Jennifer Alvarado and I'm wondering if Jennifer is in Massachusetts but she asked when will your hub be available Peter and Donna so there's going to be a soft open at the end of the month we'll certainly make people aware that when we do um actually have it go live for people outside of our small group we've got a bit more work to do the design work is going well but we have a bit more work to do before we can get some content up and into the repository for people to view opening a hub is kind of like opening a restaurant um you everyone's expecting it everyone's looking forward to it you're looking forward to it everyone's excited and then there's certain things that happen I say well we'd like to do the ribbon cutting out of the state but the actual food will be served at a later date so that's kind of where we're at any other questions now for Peter and Donna we'll also come back to them at the end and um okay we'll take one more question here from Kerry Gitz at Austin she says did OER Commons provide training and development so yeah so we've been having weekly meetings where we're getting some of that training and forgive me if I'm I hope I heard the question correctly yeah so we've been getting great support from from OER Commons and all the trainings that we um participate in are being recorded so that we can then share them with our group administrators as well so yeah the support's been wonderful okay and thank you Donna and I just think um to be clear that um OER Commons is um it's a project of ISCME so there I'm not sure if there's a little that's the organization that is providing us the tools to build our hub and their their major project of course is OER Commons in which the hub would be um a part of them so that thank you guys for the point that we should clarify yes people call us OER Commons all the time so okay all right well we are going to move on to our next presenter um and so let's see I'm going to ask you to stop sharing now um Donna and Peter thank you and next up of course is Jennifer Paris and Amanda Tainter um and they're going to talk about their national early childhood education discipline groups I'm going to stop sharing so that um you can start Amanda and Jennifer there she goes you're still muted Amanda just so you know all right sorry I think I was sharing the wrong screen here we go okay all right so Jennifer and I are going to be talking about um the early childhood education discipline group and we're just going to briefly go over some of the background about how it came about where we are now and where we're going if you haven't met me before I'm a talker and I promised you to stay to 15 minutes but I can't cut content out so how I adapt is I just talk faster so the screen the slides are available and I apologize if I freight train through it but I have a hard time leaving out important stuff so I acknowledge in advance that it's going to go fast um so our our why for me the why was about two years ago I stumbled on OER and I thought oh this is a great idea so I applied for one of the local grants um AB 798 I thought I'm an early childhood we can do this so we applied and got it and thought you know I've seen open stacks I've seen all of this other information that's out there and available I can just pull from that um I soon discovered I can't early childhood has little to no information out there so that was the moment of discovery of this is a field that desperately needs open education content for our students and yet we we have little to nothing out there when I say little to nothing I mean little to nothing um our students graduate and still make minimum wage and yet we're saddling them with a hundred two hundred dollar textbooks in each of our courses so it was the moment of discovery that we need to do something and in the process of reaching out and figuring it out um I met Jennifer um so Jennifer I don't know if you want to share really quick your your moment sure yeah so um one of the colleges that I came from is adjunct before I was here at College of the Kenyans is Mira Costa and they were doing some work with some ZT grants um and I kind of was leaving as they were starting but they let me come back and peer review and what we found is that um or what I found is a peer reviewer so kind of in the student mode at that point was that um kind of the the go-to model out there is to just kind of link to a lot of different resources because there really isn't anything where it's already compiled and it doesn't necessarily lead for an ideal educational system so that was kind of my moment where it's like we got to do something about this we got to go to get some good quality OER out there um so that people have something to start with um so as Jennifer and I started to to collaborate and and see okay what can we do to find this OER work we started to talk to other early childhood professionals who were also discovering the same thing that we had figured out and starting to do work on their own and it just became this burden of why are we all who are already overworked continuing to replicate the work and replicate the work and replicate the work we need to get together and leverage all of these resources and all of these hours of work that the ECE um early childhood educators are putting in um in California we have about 10 years ago we started what was called the curriculum alignment project cap and within that we most of the 114 community colleges came together and figured out which core eight courses would be aligned across our colleges so our student learning outcomes um the the basic core of them matched our outlines matched um and if you've ever been in a room with academics for them to agree on eight courses was mind-boggling um child development if you're not familiar with it we can have 20 to 30 on different courses in each department so some of you might be thinking eight that's not hard when you have 30 courses in a department whittling down to the eight you find is the primary what was an act so we have these eight core courses across california that are aligned with one another and so that became our focus as we form these discipline groups but then we realized it's not just california centric we've identified these eight in california because the basics are the basics even though we have 20 30 40 classes the basics of working with young children are still there and covered in these eight core courses and that's why the curriculum alignment project did choose them so we knew that that putting these discipline together a group together was not just going to be a california thing but across the nation we have these same courses and concepts that developing oer resources for would be highly beneficial so the house so we're going to go briefly through um briefly uh what are the things that we've done with these discipline groups so far yeah so um amanda we met we discovered so we all applied for the zpc grant for those of you outside of california essentially our chancellor's office um had these grants for different schools to use to develop oer and we discovered there's about five of us working on ec and we didn't know when we applied that anybody else was doing this and so we were in the same room and amanda dropped this and i'd really love to have an ec oer summit and i thought about it for a while and then i reached i said do you mind if i run with that and so back in march we hosted the first ec summit um initially with our registrations we had almost 40 community colleges in the state represented uh two different csus some different statewide organizations um had a little bit less actually participate than that um she decided to host a follow-up in june up in readley we had a much smaller number um of uh participants but definitely some passion in the room there um and then on friday we're hosting part three so in part one we looked at um harnessing the work to have everybody find content so go out and find content that people can use um and some of the groups did an amazing job um i i had somebody at one of my work groups that actually left saying wow i think i have enough to go away on our next semester and that was pretty powerful because you know there isn't anything out there that's compiled so um our goal now is to actually move into kind of writing and so that's part three we'll be working on um actually curating content um and so we're excited about that i'm still trying to figure out all those details i'm scrambling but we're super excited um and from our ec summits we started to gather this ongoing listserv we had people that had registered for the list for for the summits and then people who had reached out to colleagues and say hey you should come to the summit and oh i can't go can i be part of the listserv and so it grew and it grew and it grew and it's become this good communication hub uh we have over 140 participants and literally it grows every day someone emails jennifer i and said hey can i be part of this listserv and so as we simply add them and it's become a simple way low tech we just throw it on a shared google doc for jennifer and i and then when we send out communication we simply cut and paste those emails so again it's a very simple low tech way that we've found to just communicate with one another um and jennifer's going to go into some of the more complex ways that we're communicating and um curating some material oh i'm going to talk about it next um so one of the things that we decided was and the previous group had mentioned it is keeping a we are in the front of everybody's mind we're so bogged down with other items and so at the end of last semester we decided all right so let's just jump in and start um having these e ce o e o we are conversations on the second and fourth wednesday uh we're all busy but if we just put it on the calendar have it set second and fourth wednesday noon to one people can eat their lunch and the purpose of it is to simply chat about what they found what they've discovered um what they've heard about different e ce o we are materials or who's working on them we're rotating slowly through the eight core courses and then expand after that so it allows us to focus on one of those courses and say all right did you find anything about this course please share with us who's working on it um and it is what the name implies a simple conversation um i always say and jennifer says i'm not you know i'm just facilitating this i'm supporting this is your time let's talk about what you're doing it also allows us to touch base all right do you have a better suggestion how can we move this forward what are some additional ways we can grow this e ce o we are conversation so yeah i know we're running out of time so i will speed up so even before we got the grant um when i was working with miracosta i realized we needed some sort of place and so i was trying to think of what might work created a google group which is thankfully taken off um with time um and essentially what i did is i went in and i created a thread for all of the classes that i could think of and as amanda said we've got 20 to 30 different classes um i went in and i found any cap outlines that i could that would kind of give us a focus at that first summit we use those outlines to find uh sources of content that are either free or open um we kind of went both ways because we knew some people will just be going zero zero cost and not we are um and so that's what happened um and then if you want to go the next slide amanda um that uh you can see conversations happening about specific content so post something someone replies and so we kind of have this back and forth about different possible um content to be used in um it's been it's been a nice um free i think that was important to us um and not behind any um walls at any specific colleges all right so moving forward so we've we've grown this great community and we have all these early childhood professionals that are sitting at the precipice of all right we're collaborating we're communicating now we need to start moving forward and actually writing some of this oer content we've gathered some of the sources that are out there and that's when rebus came along alongside of us and and i just i cannot speak highly enough about their their patience with as we're putting this together and and their support on us um and so through the conversation with us and through the conversations um it's like we really want to do all of this this these these eight books like the launch amount um and they provided some great guides and said how about we start with two work out all the bugs and then we'll go to the other six and so that's what we've done is is now we're starting and we focused on two books principles of practices health safety and nutrition and then as we work out all those bugs we can rapid fire those out and so we're compiling those outlines and then gonna go out for a call for authors and so we're we're tag teaming with the summit that jennifer had mentioned on friday so people can cc professionals can start getting their feet wet and and and writing and say hey i can do this and then with that we're gonna partner um and say hey we're actually starting to write the book would you like to to be an author and so rebus has really been there and and guided us through the process of creating the leadership team for these books defining what the project is because both jennifer and i and if you've ever worked with ec people we're kind of this is so exciting we're going to do this and we need people to say all right let's let's define what's the scope um you know what does this mean what does your team look like and so the rebus has really helped walk us through that process of defining what the project is what is the timeline we're hoping to accomplish um what is the outline and now going to recruiting authors we have this community around us um and then the guides they've created to to guide through the process of you have a team what are some of the parts of the team what are the benefits of having a large team and a small team and lots of authors and smaller authors um and then going out to the editing process and what that's going to look like and the process of that all right i did it who you guys hung in there all right that that's your last slide that's it sorry yes i was abrupt ending but i looked at the time and i said i want to make sure and finish on time oh no worries you we actually stole a little time from you oh okay um and let's see there was a couple of questions in the chat window um yes so one was on accessibility um and that came from the uh one of the other jennifers i'm not sure if there are more than two of us here um so we are blessed at college of the canyons we actually have oer staff um so with the funding that um we have not me the bigger we has been able to um get from the different grant sources and that kind of stuff we actually have hourly staff that um i'm really lucky that they can do a lot of that accessibility formatting um and so i'm using my resources as much as possible so i'm kind of collecting the collaboration and then we'll use um my apologies if you can hear that i'm in the children's center and there that there's some loud things going on the hallway um that they'll help with the accessibility all of the formatting um and really put it into the finished process and i'm sure that um as always saying in the chat window that revis is also going to make sure that anything work that's done and so we actually kind of have two things going simultaneously um because our grant period is short um so we're kind of trying to zoom through the grant but also back it up with some more sustainable efforts through revis um and so we're kind of trying to figure out how to navigate all of that and and so we answered the question but that's what i was going to chime in and say is is um revis accessibility is on the forefront of all of the guides and everything they're doing is making sure that what we're creating is accessible as we're doing it and even recommending having an accessibility person um expert i apologize oh i can't remember the name um but but that is their primary responsibility in writing these books is to have an eye out for accessibility um and then Christopher had one for a collaborative authoring then using which editors that's one of the things in the process of working with revis is figuring out who is going to be the editors for for each of these books and building that team um for each of the individual eight books that where we're going through and yeah and we'll probably be reaching back out to the wider collaborative to try and find people that are interested in helping us make these resources as amazing as they can be and it looks like zoe answered um christopher's question yeah and um interesting that uh zoe said that revis does have an accessibility work group but it's on hiatus right now um did i miss any other questions that were up there um you know they were christopher was asking about collaborative authoring um and uh which editors you're using and i think um as you as you said earlier using google docs as the editor for uh this stage of the process is that correct uh yes and no so that's where we're using to just throw in information and then we're going to be moving over um zoe uses uh revis uses press books and so that's where where when we move to that like we're in the beginning stages so it's all in the infancy but that's what we'll be using to put everything together um when we're in that stage yep so kind of the informal work that we're doing at the summits has been through google docs and google sheets just because it's kind of free and not behind any institutions of walls um virtual walls um but yes once we have content then we will move it into revis with press books um uh somehow we're we're still figuring all of this out we are but we're jumping on everybody that's interested we're going to try and keep people that have expressed interest so we're just we're running um so zoe mentioned that they she has some google docs on the early stages of collaborating on content can you share some of that zoe is that do you have links to those that you could share with folks who might be looking at collaborating on content okay wonderful um you can either share it in the chat window or um we can send it out with the slides i might just jump in uh my typing is not quite catching up with my thought processes um the absolutely was to uh to watch Jennifer and Amanda are saying um so we we use google docs for for the content that we're working on with our books we do also have documentation in progress right now we're trialling that with with the set of projects uh including Jennifer and Amanda's uh and that where we'll be releasing soon and as soon as it is we'll be we'll be sending it out over the list of some whatnot and we'll make that available to people so it's it's not quite ready to to go out wider we're running it with real-life projects to make sure it's kind of effective um and then we'll be coming down the pipeline as soon as possible okay thanks for the clarification on that one all right i am i'm going to go ahead and ask you to stop sharing just for and we'll come back to q and a i just want to go through our final slides here um and um i wanted to mention another project uh which is Dave Brownschweig oops i'm you know i misspelled his name but Dave is running a computer information well he's a computer information systems faculty at harper college and i noticed that we have somebody else here from harper today and Dave is running a programming fundamentals community group on rebus and um he couldn't join us today because he's teaching at this time but i i asked him if he wanted me to share some information about that so if we have any computer science teachers out there um or if some of you work with computer science faculty you might share this uh this community with them uh Dave has finished the first seven chapters of this programming fundamentals textbook and would love your feedback on it and all the links are here and um these slides will be available later if you if you can't copy that down quickly enough but it's fairly easy it's press dot rebus dot community and then slash programming fundamentals so there um there's a lot of uh a lot of other community groups getting started as well um some on rebus some on other platforms um just wanted to mention we hope to see many of you at the open ed conference which is coming up in just a few weeks i think about three weeks in the middle of october we also keep a list of all the open education or all the conferences i would say that have an open education theme or focus under our get involved and i want to say thanks to kiri dolly the uh amazing digital oer librarian at lord fairfax community college and who's on our executive council and she helps us maintain that list um and also if you're not on our community email you can go to our website under community email and join us uh we will have another webinar um in october on october 17th on different approaches to sustainable open education and we'll get that announcement out to you in uh the next week or so and let you know uh who our speakers are and the registration is available um already on our website under fall webinars all right back to questions for um both amanda and jennifer and also for um peter and donna at one one question that came up earlier was about collaborative authoring tools and i know that peter and donna have collaborative authoring tools as part of um the collaborative platform they're using and i wondered if they wanted to speak to that um yeah you guys can you guys hear me okay great um we just began to use the tools um available through um ismi's um oer commons platform tools for go open we used um a lot we made great use of google docs um it was something that um people could share out with and um it was uh it was again technology that many faculty were already um familiar with so in terms of the tools that we're using for materials it's pretty basic um commonly used technology uh again we're using some of the um uh tool building facilities in um oer commons but we're at the very beginning so i really can't speak to and get any great detail in terms of um its use although i find that the interface is very simple which again is something that i it's it's very important for our kind of activity other than that um uh some of the uh tools available that i that i recommended to people um particularly if they're doing interactive material is hp5 it's an open source tool that um people are interested in if they're doing um interactive open educational resources but again we like to keep the tools as simple as possible so a source of focus on the content development um somebody had a question about accessibility um early on um so we are again you know we we're still figuring out the best way in which um we can ensure the accessibility which obviously to us as to everyone else is very very important um so far it hasn't been an issue because again we've been using very um basic tools like google docs um which has made accessibility um easy to manage by and large but again it's one of those issues that i wish i could give you um a good clear answer in terms of how we're going forward with it but we're still resolving ourselves all right thank you um and mathu uh has let me know that um we're doing a little bit of feedback so if uh some people may need to mute themselves so check your microphone we had a question uh from um fox valley technical college um was asking about checklist that faculty might use to ensure that published oer is easy and consistent and i wonder if um either of our teams have checklist for sounds like almost evaluating the oer um kind of like a peer review but maybe a simplified one and do either of your teams have that we don't have anything like that but if anybody does please send it my way because i would probably use it um one of the process that we have on the google docs is if someone has any notations about licensing so it's not necessarily the quality of the oer um but what we found um in early childhood and i'm sure this is across the board is sometimes understanding the um what people are using for fair use or even public domain or what you know is created uh governmentally um so we've just we've tried to put some clarifying comments if someone posts a resource in our google group to say hey this is licensed you know however so make sure you that in here process to go through that um it's informal but that's one of the ways we've been using the the google docs and i would hear that um emphasizing um the licensing of our oer has been one of the things that we've emphasized a lot um starting with gold and and dana has been one of the leaders in that area in terms of when we work with faculty providing them very clear and thorough training as to um fair use and creative commons licensing great thank you all for that and um quill had a great uh suggestion quill do you want to speak up or shall i read that out to folks um she put that in the chat window but she said she would encourage faculty to come up with their own right review criteria um and that can be a very effective way for a team of faculty um and it's a great learning experience all righty let's see yes and and thank you jenny for sharing there are um a number of oer evaluation criteria rubrics out there all of the repositories um have uh rubrics from oer commons merlot um the open textbook library bc campus open textbook um yeah thank you matthew um right so those are those are um there are some really great and and somewhat more comprehensive checklists um as well there's a question in there um from christopher asking about anyone and i'm not even sure how you say the name of it but sigil sigil i hadn't heard of it but i don't know if any of you more seasoned people may have let me see um i do not know that actually um yes um christopher do you want to speak up or give give us more information on uh what you're asking about um yeah thank you zoe for mentioning that um the bc campus does have a wonderful rubric and they were definitely one of the early ones to come out with an open textbook rubric and they had based it on previous repository rubrics but they really brought it to a to a um i think a really usable level ah so thank you christopher that's a free application for authoring ebooks yes sailor they got it from sailor and they actually got it from an old project that cccoer used to work on as well which was called the um college open textbooks project but i'm dating myself now that's um quite old all right well um do we have any more questions anyone want to speak up uh we're so we still have just a couple of minutes left uh do i would like to add one thing um apart from um the compiling of all our materials and creating new ones um it's important that when you ever i think beginning a new hub or repository is to figure out what kind of active role students can have in in both the management creating of it again our our default habits i think i'd rely on ourselves faculty and staff i think it's part of the whole open pedagogy approach that i'm thinking i'm from the very beginning who's the role students as participants in the oer activity should be and so that's one thing i would i recommend everyone to uh think about at their home institution yeah and i know unan we had when we were rehearsing we we talked about kind of um an implementation phase where we actually use it with students and get feedback as part of the create more of the creation process um kind of moving that phase into kind of the creation process and i think that's kind of what we're aiming for with our short timeline of the grant anyways um that our final products aren't going to be perfect um by any means but that we can use the students to make them better um and to make them involved in that process um but yeah i think maybe even better to do that um in the process of creation if possible but yeah i i great point yeah thank you both for sharing that and as you know we did have a great webinar on this back in it was either April or May of last year on and maybe someone can post that in the in the chat window and we had a student speak actually who's one of the workers and it turns out it's at jennifer's campus college of the canyons and they actually help with the formatting of the books and they also help with finding resources open images to support the faculty who are developing content so wonderful idea um students really appreciate what other students um will be successful with so the feedback you get from students when you're developing content can really be invaluable i think another point is that many of us are involved in the early our work um our conception of an educational resource which is pretty much formed in the early 20 it was from in the late 20th century or the early 21st century so we're not always mindful about how um educational resources that are open um uh should be adapted to the more mobile platforms and i think the student feedback in that point is essential i think going forward one of the questions we should ask ourselves when we're creating um or even archiving all your resources is how is this on a mobile device because many of our students um if they're going to invest in any kind of digital technology it's probably going to be on the phone um and there's certainly times when we want them to be using um larger computer technology like tablets and and laptops but many of them the phone is becoming the default educational device that being the case what is our strategy going forward yeah thank you peter um with that comment we're going to sign off but i want to say thank you very much to all of our speakers jennifer amanda donna and peter and thank you all for coming and for your great questions and staying involved in this really important topic um and we'll see you soon either in person or at our next webinar