 This is Think Tech Hawaii, the community matters here. We're back as we should be, we should be back. We're here, it's Wednesday and we can set you a clock, four o'clock on Wednesday. Hawaii is the state of clean energy. Maria Tomei, you're the co-host. What do you think about that? I think the state of clean energy is pretty good as we'll find out here. It could be better, of course, because we're working towards 100% renewable energy. That's our job. Okay, and a fellow to Maria's right, stage right, Rocky Mold. He's with the city and county. Hi, Rocky. Hello, how are you? Thanks for having me on. Great to see you on, yeah. Thanks for having me on. Okay. Peter Rosseg from Hawaii Electric. Thank you for coming down. Always a pleasure, Jay. Always a pleasure. Great to have you guys here. So we begin with a snippet, may I say? And this snippet is about community solar. Press release article in PBN this morning, hot stuff about community solar. Tell us about it, Peter. Well, this morning, Wednesday, July 11th at 8 o'clock, we opened the proverbial floodgates and began accepting applications for what we call subscriber organizations that want to create a community solar project. We had at least two come in today and maybe more before I left the office. Might be more right now as we speak. As we speak. And this is the first step in opening up community solar. And as you know, community solar is an opportunity for people who don't own a roof or can't put solar on their roof or live in high rises or renters or businesses that are in that kind of a situation to participate in this solar transformation we have going on here in Hawaii. We have the greatest percentage of solar anywhere in the United States certainly and probably the world. But if you didn't own a roof, you were not in a situation where you could take advantage of it. We would try to deal with this for some time and now we're underway. So the first step will be for any kind of a company or organization that meets certain qualifications to apply to be one of these subscriber organizations. And once they have gone through the process of completing an application and proposing a project, they will be able to recruit subscribers, customers of the utility on each island, each company in Maui Electric of course for Maui, Molokai and Lanai, Hawaii Electric Life for the Big Island and Hawaii Electric for Oahu. And those people will be able to subscribe to this project and when the project is up and running, these subscribers will get a credit on their bill based on the output of the community solar project and the level of their participation, how much they've gone in on it. So it is very much like having solar on your roof except you don't need a roof. That's why we call it solar without a roof. It's hassle free. You don't have to worry about repairing or cleaning or dealing with a bunch of stuff on your roof or what it does to your roof. It's not going to blow away because it's somewhere else in the community and if you decide to move, you can take it with you as long as you're on the same island, the same electric company. So it's hassle free. It gives everybody a lot of people, not everybody, but a lot, a lot of people who couldn't participate before. So we're very excited about this and we have to serve everyone. That's the obligation of the electric utility and it has bothered us for a long time that there was an opportunity for people who owned the roof to put solar on the roof. Great for them, not so great for people that couldn't but they're all our customers. We are the only organization really that represents all these people and so we're very optimistic that this is going to help to level things out. I have two questions. Speak. That's Maria's turn. Okay, first question. What's the money here? Who's going to pay for the development of the community solar facility? And secondly, what's the money in terms of the bill? You mentioned that there would be a credit on the bill. Whose bill is that? Is that your bill or is that the developer's bill? Well, let's assume I live in high rise so I could very well be a possible subscriber. The organization, whether it be a company or a club or a family or a church or any kind of an organization that can qualify, can build the facility and so the initial money or the credit worthiness has got to be with that organization and they're going to secure the land, build the higher or if they're a developer of solar themselves they'll build it themselves but they will build the project. I will then pay a certain amount of money based on how much the share of that, the output of that facility that I want to... Like owning a piece of a company. It's not like that because it's not a strictly a stock or a security, it is owning a piece of the output. Okay. And so based on that and the Public Utilities Commission has set the credit rate so whatever my share of the output of that facility is that's sent into the grid and goes around to all our customers, it's all shared in that way, whatever my part of that is I will get a credit based on the kilowatt hours, 15 cents on Oahu more on the neighbor islands where electricity is more expensive. So then when my bill comes it'll say... It's billed from Hawaiian Electric. From Hawaiian Electric, my electric, Hawaii Electric. When my electric bill comes it'll say you used X amount total from the utility and here's what that would cost you. But you got a credit here for the money, for the amount of energy that came into the system from your share of that thing and that's going to be deducted up to a very close but not entirely 100%. You can't use credit against certain fixed charges and certain things the Public Utilities Commission collects like the money they use for Hawaii Energy. You can't get out of paying that. You got to pay that in certain other standard fees but potentially you could offset 75, 80, 90% of your bill. Am I going to pay less? Or are you going to pay less in this case? Well, in the term of probably the 20-year term you're going to own that, you will definitely save money. When I say definitely everybody's got to sit down and look at this for themselves. There may be cases where people don't use enough energy to make it worthwhile. Just like there are situations where people who own a roof look at the cost of putting solar on their roof and say, you know, that really doesn't pencil out. You're going to have to, and the subscriber organizations that are building these will help people show them how, you know, what their savings will be over the long term. But just like you put solar on a roof you put a lot of money in right up front but over the course of your ownership of that you're going to save money on what you're... You have to figure that out for yourself. Like any other, you know, we're not in the financial advice business fortunately or unfortunately. But you are in the wiring business and I assume the wires between the community solar facility and the homeowner, those are Hawaiian Electric wires. Well, there's no physical relationship between community solar and me, the owner. Everything that that solar facility creates goes into the grid and is shared around by everybody. That's the difference, we call it community solar but think of it more as shared solar. Got it. There's a unit, there's a facility, it could be an EVA, I live in New Wano, it could be an EVA, it could be anywhere on the island and that's pumping electricity into the grid. It doesn't, you know, those electrons may or may not ever reach my house but I get the credit for what that is putting into the system. So that's one of the beauties of it. You know, it enables us to help the subscriber organizations put these things in places where they'll do the most good. You know, solar goes on the roof, wherever it is, whether it's Mililani or Kailua or whatever. It's on the guy's roof, on the owner's roof and that's where it is. But in this case, there are better places and worse places to have a solar farm. So these solar farms will or solar facilities will have to come in and be able to interconnect to the system. But there's no physical relationship between me, the owner, and that facility. Even if I were to live next door to it, I would not be getting electricity directly from it. It would be going into the grid, going around with all the other generation that we pump into the grid and I would be taking out. It sounds very enlightened actually, especially when you think about the increase in renewable energy. But Query, why does utility like it? Why does it change, you know, the utility and the way the utility does business? As I said, these solar facilities will have to have a meter or a monitor and in a very extreme situation we would be able to stop taking power from them. All of those hundreds of solar systems on the roof, we can't really see them. We know they're there and we know they're putting electricity into the system and we can't control them. So even when there's too much power on the system, we can't deal with that and it makes it much more difficult to, you know, to drive the car because it's as if somebody else in the back seat is stepping on the gas or stepping on the... and we can't see it. We don't know any of it. We can't stop them from doing it and we have to accommodate that flow of electricity from many thousands of different units. This will be a fairly substantial, maybe a small one, maybe a big one, but we will be able to see exactly what's coming into the system. So this helps you in building out the grid in a way that you can control things and you can get more data. Your turn, Maria. Okay. Well, there's not much I can say, except I look forward to seeing how it goes and I hope it goes well. I did want to ask, you know, you were talking about specific locations being better. Is there a map? Have you made that information available to the developers? It is absolutely available. As a matter of fact, one of the things we are asking potential subscriber organizations to do is to go to the website for each electric company and there's what's called a locational value map. Don't ask me why it's called that, but it will show you where it will be easy to hook up and where it will be much more difficult to hook up. And that's, of course, the same situation that a lot of homeowners have been in over a period of time. In places where there's an awful lot of rooftop solar, the circuits are tapped out or essentially full and can't take more without an extensive study and perhaps without additional construction that can be very expensive. So one of the things the subscriber organization or their agent, you know, if they're working with a solar company needs to do, is go and say, here's a piece of land. Isn't it a place where it can be hooked up to the grid without too much of this interconnection issue that we have if, you know, if you're trying to do it in the middle of Kailua or in the middle of Mililani or in the middle of Ewa Beach, don't, because those areas are fairly heavily subscribed already. So in that respect, it will, but there are certainly big stretches of the island that get plenty of sunshine and certainly also on the neighbor islands that get plenty of sunshine that are not in that congested situation, especially on Hawaii Island, which has got, you know, percentage-wise the least solar of any of the islands as you know. So the idea is to get these located in places that will make it the easiest to hook them up and give us the most efficiency for the construction. And go fast. Well, we want them to be, you know, as quickly as they can, for sure. And part of that fast, you know, the actual construction of a solar facility is not terribly time-consuming. It's getting to the point where you can begin construction very frankly, getting through the permitting, getting through the technical issues and the fewer technical issues we face. So there would be fewer when you have communities. We believe there will be fewer in the overwhelming number of cases. Rocky, you look like you're bursting with intellectual curiosity. Why don't we let you ask a question or two yourself? So if an aggregator or company wants to, is in a high-penetrated circuit, a highly-penetrated circuit, would they be able to add maybe energy storage or print services to it to be able to interconnect? Great question. You bring along these technical guys. Not in the first phase. In the first phase, to keep things relatively simple, the Public Utilities Commission has said no storage. These are straightforward facilities. But then there's eight megawatts across the five islands that we serve. And in the second phase, which could come within about a year and a half or two years, I think we will expand to allow energy storage because that would be the natural thing to do. We have to work out the financial situation a little differently because if you can store the energy and send it to us at a different time of day, it has a different value than if you're sending it to us in the middle of the day. So it will not be a slam dunk. We're going to have to put our Braini engineers and accountants to work on it. But going forward, you have the non-solar services who are helping to support the grid, batteries, energy storage in terms of batteries. I think those will be coming in the second phase. At the moment it's just solar. And it's usually community solar is kind of how everybody knows it. But technically, in the second phase, I think, or shortly thereafter, it could be a wind farm. It could be wind turbines. It could be running water if you've got a place hydro on a piece of property and, you know, can get a bunch of people to come in with you. You could have community hydro. So the opportunities will expand. This is the first time we've done this here. It's been done other places on the mainland and they have a lot of experience, but as we all know, Hawaii's grids are very unique and very, you know, freestanding, very small. And we don't have the ability to put a lot of extra things on it without endangering the stability of the grid. But as we move forward, we're going to see this expand more and more, and that's the idea. Peter, where can we read about this? You haven't on your website? Absolutely. Each of the three companies, hawaioelectric.com, slash community solar, one word, Maui Electric, slash community solar, Hawaii Electric Light, dash community solar. We've got all the documents and all the information that's needed for a subscriber organization. And we have a little bit of information for subscribers because until we have some of these projects approved, there's nothing a subscriber can do. They can read up and get a handle on it. They can read up, understand how it works, start thinking about, you know, figuring out what they need to think about to know if it's for them. Peter Rosse, Hawaiian Electric, thank you so much for coming down. Always a pleasure. We'll take a short break and we're going to talk to Rocky in some detail. We'll be right back. This is Think Tech Hawaii, raising public awareness. Watch my show on Tuesdays at one called out of the comfort zone. I sang this song to you because I think you either are cool or have the potential to be seriously cool. And I want you to come watch my show where I bring in experts who talk all about easy strategies to be healthier, happier, build better relationships, and make your life a success. So come sit with the cool kids at out of the comfort zone on Tuesdays at one. See you then. Okay, we're back. We're live. The lady at the far end is Maria Tome. And she is now going to take the time to make a nice introduction of Rocky Mold with the city and county. Thanks, Jay. Hey, Rocky, thanks for being here. Congratulations on having such a wonderful job title that we couldn't really fit it on your title. So the Office of Sustainability, wait. The Office of Climate Change, Sustainability, and Resiliency. And Resiliency. There you go. With the city and county of Honolulu. And Rocky's got the best part of that because he's on the energy program. And before that he has had experience and a variety of other endeavors which somehow do tend to relate to energy. Yeah, so tell us what you're up to now or what your office is up to and then we'll get into the questions. So yeah, thanks for having me on the show. So the Office of Climate Change, Sustainability, and Resiliency. We've been going strong for about a year now. I'm the energy program manager and I've been in that position for about seven months. We have a grant from the Rockefeller Foundation. We're part of the 100 Resilient Cities Network. And what we've been doing is putting a resilience strategy together to build resilience for the city and county of Honolulu so that when we get hit by shocks and stresses, we're able to adapt to those and actually thrive going forward. These are things like hurricanes, tsunamis, financial crises, income inequality, things like this. So we're developing a strategy to address those and we've now just finished phase one of that strategy where we've identified through a pretty intensive community outreach program four discovery areas that we're going to look at to go on a deeper dive for our strategy. Yes, four. What's four? So the four are disaster preparedness. What we've seen with Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, as well as Superstorm Sandy, the mudslides that we had recently on Kauai and even here in East Oahu, we really need to prepare ourselves for disasters. Also, affordability is an issue that's sort of tearing at the seams of folks here in our society here. Also, we're looking at community engagement. How can we harness the community to really work towards the goals that we have and really build on our strengths to strengthen our resilience. And then finally, and this is where I really come in, climate mitigation and adaptation because simultaneously we're putting together a climate action and adaptation plan and so that planning process is going to dovetail with our resilience strategy process. Wow, a million questions flow into mind. But first, I know for your show, I know you're always saying the news first, right at the top of the news. And so, you know, we had a brief presentation from Peter about the news because they just opened the CVE program to subscriber organizations this morning. So that's today, you know, news from today. But you've got something coming up. Well, we have a community, we have a stakeholder meeting that's coming up on July 27th. It's actually to folks that are part of our working group, but this is really to launch our climate action and resilience strategy process into phase two. And starting in August, we are going to be taking this meeting on the road and we're going to be engaging communities in all nine of our districts here on Oahu to discuss these four discovery areas and get their feedback in Manau. Okay, so are those during the day or in the evening, weekends? We have not scheduled them yet, but they're going to start in August. But news will be coming up. Yeah, so I know, Jay, you said you had a bunch of questions about those four. It's really a potpourri, those four things. And they include, and this is like you to help me understand, they include extreme things like disasters, like extreme weather, which, you know, coming soon, like earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes for sure. On the one hand, and then you have what, affordability of land, I guess, of occupancy and income disparity. That comes a lot slower. Sometimes it's harder to see it and it's only on a chart rather than, you know, hits you in the face. Those are really different kinds of things. And I'd like to confirm one point too, that when you're talking about these things, you're not, I think you can correct me. You're not talking about preventing them, you're talking about being resilient to them, which means when they arrive and knock at your door, then you have to be, you have to adapt to them. So resiliency in the context I thought you described, resiliency is adaptation. Resilience is dealing with the new reality, the new normal created by these four bad things. That's a lot of stuff. But you're not going to be out there saving me when the storm comes. You're going to be trying to build a community now around me so that when it comes and when we have the worst of it, we can get back on track. Am I right about that? That's about right, yeah. You sum that up pretty well. We look at, you know, short-term sort of shocks to the system like storms that hit. And being resilient to those is super important. You know, the grid staying up and getting up and running quickly is a concern. But there are also these longer-term stressors. And the ability to take that hit, to take that initial shock and then come back is strengthened by, you know, addressing some of these longer-term things that sap the vitality of our response. And if you look at Puerto Rico that went on there, I mean a lot of the problems, the reason they weren't as prepared for Hurricane Maria were economic problems, you know, under-investment in their grid. Things like these that left them vulnerable when the time did it. So that's why we look at both these longer-term stressors and these shocks that hit the system. And by the way, we identified these four areas through a pretty intensive stakeholder engagement process where we went out, as of tomorrow we will have gone to all 33 neighborhood boards where we pulled the neighborhood boards. And we also went to, you know, civil society groups and chambers of commerce and other civil society members and pulled them and asked for their feedback on what they thought were these stresses. And so we were, our selection of these was really informed by this stakeholder engagement process. I wanted to ask you about that. You know, so if you ask me cold, how do I figure out how to be more resilient? I would say, well, you get a dozen guys, really smart guys, including Maria, in the room, okay? You close the doors and you bring in pizza and you figure it out. If it takes you a weekend or a week, you figure it out. At the end of the day, the smart guys can figure out those four stress areas because they live here, because they read, they see the newspapers, they're familiar with our society. Okay, but you're not talking about that. You're talking about stakeholder meetings. You're talking about, oh, lots and lots and lots of stakeholder meetings. So if I go out to a stakeholder meeting, wherever it is, out of a group of 100 people that shows up, I'm not going to get 100 smart guys. Sorry, that's the reality of it. I'm going to get one of two smart guys and the rest they don't know. They don't follow this. They don't read the newspaper. They haven't studied it. They don't have advanced degrees in it. What's the point of having, why don't you just make the plan? Why don't you just make the plan? Forget the stakeholder meetings. Tell me why. Well, I think there's been a lot of anecdotal and research out there about the need for broad-based community support for initiatives. I mean, if you don't have support from the community. No, but you're not talking about for the initiative. You're talking about helping you make the initiative. You're talking about helping you run on through the planning process. You really need them for that. Why don't you just make the plan and then get their support? So I got a question for you. If you have those 12 smart people in a room coming up with the plan, how different do you think that would be from what you get if you have a robust stakeholder process with all those different viewpoints also coming up with a plan? Very different. You want me to say that and I'm going to say it. I'm also going to say this. I'm also going to say this. This goes to the energy and the stakeholders and all those meetings that went on for years and years without a result, if you remember. That's where I come from. Meetings that go on for years and years without a result. So the difference is the plan will be different, but the time frame will also be different. And the question I put to you, the wrapper question to both of you is, do we have the time? In terms of climate change and sea level rise and some of these things that we're seeing. That's the name of your commission now. Right. Well, we're scheduled to release our strategy. Our strategy will be released sometime in the first quarter, first half of 2019. So within a year and a half of our founding and getting the... That's pretty good. Yeah. And once we've identified these areas, it's really we are going into a deep dive with experts. We're forming working groups of subject matter experts in those areas locally to really dive into those questions facilitated by members of CCSR, our offices staff. So we are doing that. We are going in with experts. And actually we also have a steering committee made up of leaders from our community and we have an internal city resilience team made up of department heads and subject matter experts across the city. And then we also have formed concurrently with our office. There is a City Climate Change Commission and it's made up of five academics and scientists that are charged with informing city decision making on science-based policies and projects to address climate change and resiliency. I've got to ask one more question. I'm going to turn this whole thing over to you. No, no, no. Carry on. So you come up with this and somewhere along the line it's going to be written down. There's going to be a report. I mean, it'll be a big report because you have a lot of stakeholders and people who attended the meetings. You have to include them all, their thought process, A or an A. And so we have a report, okay? And this report now is going to make us more resilient. But who does it? The Rockefeller Foundation gave you money. I forget what it is at 100 million. Oh, we wish. 20 million. Not even close. 10 million. A couple million dollars. I don't know the exact figures. Okay, gave you money. Frankly, it's been really helpful to getting us up to capacity. So make a report. Yeah, it's actually leveraging the money. And of course the risk we all know is the shelf problem. Yes. The report goes neatly on shelf SJ67 there and the dust falls on it. So we have to make this report into a reality. We have to make this report actually work and create real life, you know, what's the word? Actions, progress. Action, yeah. Okay, and so when you're done with the money from the Rockefeller Foundation, you have all these things worked out. I mean, or suggestions or even a really concrete kind of plan, hopefully come out of it. How are you going to implement that? How are you going to make it happen? How are you going to make me more not sustainable but resilient? Resilient. Yeah, yeah. How are you going to make my community more resilient? When I walk down the street and I do every day and I look around, how am I going to know that I'm more resilient against the four horsemen of the apocalypse? You know, that's a good question. I think that is where, you know, our office comes in. You know, our office is institutional capacity that's going to live past the creation of this plan. We're going to be charged with, you know, making sure that that plan is implemented and we're going to be accountable for implementing that plan. We make ourselves accountable to that. The budgets and the projects themselves take place within the departments of the city. And so, but our job is really to infuse these ideas of sustainability and resiliency throughout all those departments. Once we've sort of created this policy framework and plan going forward. This is Chip Fletcher on this commission. Chip Fletcher is on the commission. He's a great guy. He's important and what he's done. And every now and then you see those coastal charts and graphs showing inundation. And the way that you deal with this, as they do in lower Manhattan, actually, is you build infrastructure. You know, so you prevent erosion and the effects of, you know, inundation on it. So at the end of the day, it's concrete. It's infrastructure. It's expensive. Okay, so does your commission have a building division? I mean, how do you build that infrastructure, Rocky? Well, you know, funding of infrastructure is one of the chief challenges we have going forward. The one thing I do know is in your plans for how you build them, you better address sea level rise and climate change and these kinds of things going forward. And absolutely, you know, an undercurrent cutting through all of these themes is how do you align the budget processes and budget making on these really big, important, you know, strategic goals. Huge questions. This is transformation of the city cover that you're talking about, Maria. And if we go back to the original debate over the 12 people, you know, who come up with a plan without, you know, input or socializing it versus the longer and messier and noisier process that involves a lot more people, you mentioned sitting on a shelf. You know, the report gets done sits on a shelf. So your 12 guys in the room would read that report. They'd feel some ownership, they'd care. Nobody else would care. Seriously? Whereas if you get everybody involved, including the folks that you didn't think were experts, but are affected by the affordability and they vote and they speak and they care and they're care enough to show up at the community meetings, okay? You would be surprised how much you're exactly right. When it comes to implement, not only have they maybe looked at the report, okay, so everybody's going to read these reports, but they've looked at it. They care. They had input. They had a reaction. Their input was acknowledged. They can, and they heard the input of the other folks. Does this mean they will tolerate a huge increase in taxes? You know, if you're going to be building stuff anyway, and you are, we've got cities need to be built. You're talking about the cost of infrastructure. You're building it anyway. If you build it better because you're more informed and you're looking forward to those challenges, you know, you're not talking about building stuff necessarily that wouldn't have existed at all. You may be building it a little more durable. You may be building it in a different spot, but you're building it better, and you wind up saving money instead of having to rebuild stuff that ignored the realities that we're facing. My takeaway, okay, you can think of yours because you're going to have your chance in a minute. My takeaway on this, as I alluded to it a minute ago, is that this commission is really, really important because the four horsemen of the apocalypse can bring us down, and if we do nothing, they will bring us down. By virtue of the weather or by virtue of inappropriate values on land, which will create the polarity, diversity, polarization that we really can't afford to have in an island community. So your commission can save us, okay? And so it may not be $100 million. It may be just enough to cede money to get the thing started. But you know, Rocky, this is a really important deal, Iran, and I hope we hear lots from you about it. And I hope it is socialized and I hope the people understand they have to participate because we're involved. And I mean, it's so clear to me this is a transformation of our society. If we don't transform, we're going to be in deep kimchi. It's going to be the inundation of the kimchi monster. Okay. And the four horsemen of the apocalypse. I really got to credit to the administration and Mayor Caldwell for really taking leadership and creating this office. And really this office is kind of the vehicle to address these really difficult, challenging issues, existential issues probably in the long run that we're facing right now. So we feel it and we are motivated to take on these issues head on. Yeah, then you have to come back and give us blow by blow. Yeah, definitely. Okay, Maria, what's your takeaway? How has this changed your way of thinking this afternoon? Well, I was very interested to hear all the stuff that you're working on. And first court early 2019 is not that far away. So I wish you luck. We'll keep an eye open for the report. I'm just waiting for Jay to come up with names for those four horsemen of the apocalypse or something. You have a very vivid imagery there. So kind of like putting the humor in there. They're coming for us, Maria. They're coming. We have to be ready for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you're going to read that, right? You're going to read the report. You've got to get a quote from him. We're going to all read it together right here at this table. Put it in there somewhere. Get a quote from him in there somewhere so that he's got to go find his name. You know, in the old days we had phone books and it got delivered to your... I guess we still have phone books. But you know when you actually look to see if they got you in the phone book, it's the same thing. You get the report. Hey, did they have my favorite? And I will say we are actually doing stuff. We are actually acting on some of these issues right away. I mean we have a 100% renewable transportation goal that the mayor is committed to. And you know, we have in our budget, you know, somewhere between 10 to 25 million, actually to 35 million dollars, that could be used, and I know a portion of it's going to be used on implementing electric buses. We've been testing electric buses and route structures and rate structures and how we can transform our entire transportation system to make it clean and renewable. To address what is essentially a ground transportation is what, it's like 25 to 30% of all greenhouse gas emissions that we have. So we are addressing these things head on. Huge responsibility. And before I offer you the opportunity to give your last words, that doesn't sound right. Give some final words to our listeners. I just want to say that if you go to Melbourne in Australia, they have free trams all over and the economy has blossomed as a result. So when you say rate structure, consider free. Free is a really good rate for buses, whatever the technology. Okay, so Rocky, take a minute. See the red light. The red light is pointing at you. I don't see it yet. It's there. Okay, see the red light. You're on. Tell them what you want to leave with them today. I want you all to know that we at the City and County of Honolulu, we are, you know, moving ahead to address these issues through our new Office of Climate Change, Sustainability and Resiliency, or CCSR, and, you know, look out for some of the things that we had, some of the announcements that we will have coming up. If you want to take a look at our website to learn about more about what we're doing, you can go to www.resilientowahu.org. And we look forward to engaging you in the future. Thank you so much for having me on and the time. Maria, can you give Rocky a big thanks, and can you say a nice farewell to our viewers? Thank you very much, Rocky. And as soon as we have a chance to get you back on here to talk about how you finished the plan and to show Jay where his name is in there or at least a quote from him, I really look forward to having that discussion. And thank you all for watching. It's a state of clean energy. Thank you, Maria. Thank you, Rocky. Thank you. Aloha.