 Welcome back to the breakfast and plus see the Africa now we head straight to a second conversation where we'll you know look at some of the issues that the president who has continued to speak about I mean yesterday in that exclusive interview on a sister station the president continually spoke about the issue of making some achievement in the areas of security economy and the fight against corruption we do have a guest joining us this morning via zoom is a public affairs analyst Nika Gulles good to have you join us good morning thank you very much and happy new year to you happy new year it's good to have you join us thank you for your time all right so let's get to the crux of you know the issue now I'm sure that you probably would have actually followed through with the conversation with the president what he talked about you know making some kind of progress in terms of security in the northeastern part of Nigeria and he also talked about the economy the improvement on you know production I mean talking about crude production and the fight against corruption among other issues we'd like to share your thoughts you know generally on the president's statement and speech and that interview thank you very much I have first and foremost I want to wish our president a happy new year I want to wish him good health and grace as he sees through the last month of his administration I also want to thank the president for making that time to have that interview so that Nigerians can hear from him once more I've had a president who has not been in the public eye for a long time so for him to have granted two press interviews exclusive press interviews one last year and this year is a good thing my general view of the president's interview is that to be honest is disappointing because with six and a half years into his administration of eight years you expect the president to be giving us what he has delivered in concrete terms and not really ask to us the challenges that we have in Nigeria the president is not an analyst like myself the president is the commander in chief of the armed forces so he has got everything that is disposed of to tackle Nigeria's problems so we would like to see the president talking about how he is tackling the issues that are confronting Nigeria and not just describing the issues and talking about what needs to be in place or is not in place so on that basis I will say that the president's overall performance in the interview fair below the mark for me well now let's you know look at let's pick out some of the things that he spoke on you know and one of them of course that has become popular is state police the president you know when asked about the relevance of state police and how you know he felt about it he you know he instead you know spoke about traditional rulers and local leaders you know and how you know they need to step up and how important they are with regards insecurity and dealing with security challenges in the country Mr. Goli do you do you agree you know with that narrative or would you say that the president maybe just didn't have the right response you know with regards state police or just doesn't believe in the idea of state policing okay so I have two answers to this question the first one is that yes I agree with the president that the issues of insecurity require multi-sector approach so bringing in the traditional institution is right the president was correct in that instance because the traditional institution is also very important in tackling insecurity because these people who cause all sorts of insecurities in our communities don't fall from the sky they live within the communities within those localities they either perpetrate this insecurity within the communities they are living in or they travel from the communities where they are to another community and perpetrate these atrocities so they are known you know they they are not they are not they are not a ghost they don't fall from the sky they are living within the communities amongst the people of which the traditional institution is superintendent so bringing the traditional institutions into the picture is very correct but the second answer I have to give to this is that the president's response first shot of what you expect him to say because yes the traditional institution is there but it shouldn't be the only approach that we are going to give to local policing the president needs to cast his eyes to all the developed economies around the world I mean at the point Nigeria we had vision 2020 we have vision 2020 which was to say by the year 2020 that is two years ago we should have joined the 20 top developed countries in the world so there's no way we want to join the top 20 developed countries in the world without having to do what those developed countries are doing that's just the only way we have to do what they are doing otherwise we can't join their league and in all the top 20 developed countries in the world policing is pretty much our local pretty much local you you don't have national police as we have in Nigeria in fact policing in some of those developed economies is on city basis city basis so you have Ikeja police different from Ikorodu police different from Victoria Ireland police we're not even talking local government but in Nigeria we cannot say let us just devolve down to city police but at least let us bring policing down to the state level when we bring policing down to the state level two things are going to happen immediately number one we're going to have a lot many more police forces in Nigeria in the united kingdom here where I'm sitting there are 42 police forces in this country so in Nigeria if we bring policing to the state level there will be 36 police forces all over the country they're going to recruit more personnel because the states will start putting more money into policing you know and the the the the excuse that people are given is that oh if we give policing to the governors the governors are going to abuse it this is k-mondry yeah well but the president also expressed you know concern in that direction I mean he he likened the relationship he was making reference to the relationship between you know state government and the local government saying that what has actually happened all through the years we understand that there seem to be a lot of domination by you know by the other party over the other one and so he is also of the opinion that that relationship is not very cordial it does not yield any result and therefore the issue of state policing is not really a solution to the security concerns that were faced with very much for that perspective I have two answers to that perspective you have raised the first one is that if the president recognizes and in his words he said that the governors are carrying out unconstitutional acts against the local government the president saw on oath to defend the constitution of Nigeria so if he sees some 36 boys around the country contravening the constitution of Nigeria it behoves of on him as a commander in chief of Nigeria and the chief law officer of Nigeria to come upon those who are actually contravening the constitution whoever they are it doesn't matter if they have governors so that is one side of it the second side of it is that when we bring that to the policing that we're discussing that a state governor has got a police force does not mean the state governor can abuse the police force and perpetrate illegalities because once he does that we are now in the realm of criminality and the president of Nigeria is there to defend the constitution and he has to take action about that I'm talking about 42 police forces here in the UK if one of the county police chiefs decide that he was going to do an illegal thing the laws of the UK are going to take effect against him you know that you are a police chief or you are a governor does not mean you are both the law so if we have a president who has devolved policing to become local and he's sitting now and watching and seeing who is doing the right thing and who is doing the wrong thing and he's going after those who are doing the wrong things there's nothing is is going to go wrong let me tell you one thing I am today speaking on the private television station I was a student I think a university student as at that time wanted debate on whether the media should be privatized in Nigeria was ongoing a lot of people were scared monitoring all over the place and say oh if you have private tv station private radio stations people will be executing coup every day they will be executing coup it will cost the security and all of that since we have been having private media tv television is surpassed how many coups have been executed using the private media so this has some of the scary monitoring that are going on well like you've mentioned it's you know very likely fear mongering you know and of course the conversation this morning is trying to understand what the president's mindset is with regard to some of these things you know whether you know governors will take advantage of it or not you know the the point is that the federal structure that we have with regards to police is not working well state you know police will be more effective does the president believe that state police will be more effective does the president understand that the federal structure with regards to police is not working and some of all of that you know and of course the argument that you know the traditional rulers know everybody in their community doesn't stop them from being criminals a criminal is a criminal whether he knows traditional ruler whether he's a son or he calls into the ego of the community he's still a criminal and we have the police structure that should arrest those criminals or not i'm sure that you know we're spoken about we're spoken about this thing with with them security experts you know even in northern Nigeria that will tell you that they know these people nobody has ever accused them of being strange faces they know who they are but they are still criminals they're still commenting crimes still terrorizing society i want you to finally speak with regards the president's response to the indicators you know he was questioned with regards indicators on the economy and job creation and poverty and the likes and his response really was that everybody needs to go back to the farm since president Muhammad Bori has some attachment some personal love for agriculture and farming you know and so his response at every time when he is told that he the indicators that are put out by his own agencies of government not anybody else his own agencies of government um he first of all questions those figures and then says that well he thinks everybody needs to go back to farm um Mr Agule what do you think yes before i answer your question of the economy i want to agree with you in the last point that you made we have a federal police now there's a single inspector general police that suppresses over the entire police forces across the country if that inspector general is not effective that means the entire Nigerian police forces ineffective if we have 36 state police forces imagine that 50 of them are effective 50 are not effective it will mean that 18 in 18 states we're going to have strong police policing you know so generally as a country that will be better for us than putting all our eggs in one basket so now to go to the the question of the economy is it the president uh first and foremost answered a question of the economy by saying the crude oil was 2.1 million barrels before he came in at 100 dollars and all of that and for me this is very disappointing because the president seems not to see the reissues with the Nigerian economy because if you talk about that crude let's start with that crude even though we're producing crude now in the 1 million plus barrels the president faced to understand that immediately we say that crude and end the dollars we turn the entire dollars to the to the downstream market to buy petroleum products and import them into the country so the president needed to have arrested them within the first year in office by ensuring that our refineries are up and running once our refineries were up and running that means when we save crude that means we'll bring the dollars back to Nigeria we don't use the dollars now to buy petroleum products that's number one number two the president for six and a half years have seen our gas being fled and then we are going to as far as the united states to go and buy gas he hasn't done anything about that the president came in when power supply was three gigawatts to the economy he's about to leave three gigawatts to this economy in the united kingdom where i'm speaking to you now the power supply every day to the uk economy of 65 million people is 730 gigawatts and Nigeria an economy of 200 million people the economy is being supplied with three gigawatts three one two three not even 30 how can the president expect that economy to do well globally by global standards you are expected to supply one gigawatt to one million people so as nigerians are 200 million people we should be supplying nigerians economy with 200 gigawatts we're giving him so if yes oh i just quickly wrap up you know because we need to end the conversation here so if the president has a tractor if the president has a tractor that needs 200 liters per day to perform optimally and he's dropping three liters in that tractor how does he expect that tractor to work and the president identifies a low-hanging fruit in nigeria which is agriculture in his own words he said that experts have told him that only two and a half percent of nigeria's arable land is being cultivated and yet in six and a half years he has not grown that percentage to about 20 30 40 percent because if he did that then all the plumbing we go food insecurity we go importation of food we go and job creation will be there so this is the concrete actions that you expect the president to be taking but unfortunately it is six and a half years down the road now we have one and a half years we hope the president will not take concrete actions to execute this in which agriculture is something that can turn around within a year you plan to rise you have a thing within a year it doesn't even take long to do that all right mr aghule sadly we have to wrap up here um but of course thanks as always for joining us and for sharing your views with us um on very numerous issues uh we wish you a good day ahead thank you very much and have a nice day absolutely uh of course uh we're going to be back after this very short break uh still talking and president marmada buhari but this time not on his interview yesterday but on his new appointments yesterday we spoke about doin salami who has been appointed on the president's economic advisory team and a couple of other appointments that have been made we'll get back right after the short break