 we are. Hi everyone, this is Gicho. Welcome to my channel and welcome to another live stream. This is stream number two on August 15th 2021 and we're doing two days four streams of Julian Assange and we're having a discussion about a little bit about current events but mainly focused around Julian Assange and journalism, free speech, technology and what not and the state of our governments. And what we're doing is basically taking a look at some of the episodes from Julian Assange's The World Tomorrow. It's a 12 episode series that he put out on RT when it was held up in the Ecuadorian Embassy, asylum in the Ecuadorian Embassy and he was having interviewed with some of the greatest minds of the planet as well as some of the most controversial people on the planet hitting up some of the main areas at the time and they've become more and more relevant. A lot of those episodes as you know nine years later because we're in 2021 right now so it's nine years wow wow wow. So it's good to get the perspective and it's good to highlight Julian Assange again based on the court decision that was passed this week where the United States won their judgment on appealing Julian Assange's extradition based on the reasons that the initial UK judge gave because of medical reasons why she would not agree to Julian Assange being extradited which is we looked at the summary of what took place from the Doran in the last live stream which was earlier today a couple hours ago we ended it. So this is our second live stream for today and it's the second two or four that we're going to do regarding Julian Assange. Now as we wait for notifications to go out because sometimes Twitch has a hard time sending notifications twice in the same day if you're doing a couple of streams sort of back to back we're not back to back but we're only two hours apart so we had a fair bit of people on the last stream 50 plus people when I checked once anyway on the stream so we'll give those people a little bit of time if they do want to pop by and while we wait for people to drop by let me give you guys my little intro if you want to know what this work is about I am on Patreon patreon.com forward slash chichou chychou I don't put anything behind paywall everything's great of comments and it's layered on mathematics and there's a lot of mathematics and what we're talking about because a lot of things that Julian Assange WikiLeaks and the cyberpunk community programmers are talking about that is that we need to have anonymity privacy freedom freedom of speech and freedom of movement and freedom of thought freedom through technology by design it should not be mandates or laws the centralized power passes and the next puppet that comes in they can take those rights and they call them privileges now away from you these concepts of human life how we should be how we should exist should be in our societies by design and the only way that you incorporate that by design that we have freedom freedom of speech freedom of movement freedom of thought freedom of commerce freedom to live as individual human beings is through mathematics by design anonymity being a huge part of that right so that's where it connects up to the work that I'm doing regarding the mathematics which is mainly a central focus of the patreon stuff that we're doing deep flake how are you doing hello hello japanese what percentage do you get from twitch subscriptions uh 50 50 percent it's not the best amazon is amazon right because twitch is owned by amazon is a cyberpunk we're gonna do the cyberpunk first and let me give you the link for the playlist oh no we're gonna do uh jazzynski first that's what we promised sharyl that we would do okay so the cyberpunk kitetsu kitetsu thank you very much kitetsu and i believe that's japanese yes so here's the playlist of julien assange's 12 episodes that he did and then he put out two extended versions of the cyberpunk one we're gonna watch the original versions of cyberpunk one okay so but we're gonna watch episode number two first julien assange is the world tomorrow slavach jazzynski and david horowitz okay and then we'll watch the cyberpunk part one okay jo chicho on the topic of mathematics did you hear the governor of oregon has passed a law the suspense math and reading yeah proficiency as a requirement for high school graduates yeah i linked that up on our discord page clown world jo clown world if i had any children and i'm recommending anyone that has any kids in centralized education indoctrination centers pull them out do whatever you need to and if i know a lot of people can't they can't homeschool begin the process of looking at alternative ways to educate children okay our education systems in canada and united states have completely collapsed they're garbage garbage garbage think of it as this way if this is comes into personal finance if you're a family if you're raising children put the time and energy and the money the funds in to your kids early on educate them properly and in the in the back end you will reap the rewards hopefully right because they'll be educated they'll have free ability to have critical thought think for themselves know what life is about they won't be indoctrinating to consumption idiotic way of being right so you put the energy in at the front end reap the rewards at the back end and will pay off 10 fold thousand fold in the long run okay just letting you guys know it's clown world regarding centralized indoctrination centers charl it's okay if another is preferred i'm okay doing this iski cyberpunk is cool too cyberpunk is fantastic i like that those two episodes and the extended versions oh i mean uh cypher fun oh cypher funk as in crypto oh as in crypto okay okay not cyberpunk but cypher funk punk cypher punk crypto cryptography metadragons welcome back gang welcome back gang yes it's from one piece it's from one piece is it have you watched all the episodes 986 episodes or something now i've watched like two and i looked at how many there were and i said okay i can't do this now i'm gonna do it in my retirement and it'll be like 3000 by then or something kitetsu ki kitet i'm gonna hold on kitetsu kitetsu is he the one that the main guy the elasticy guy supness and take care of you after retirement indeed if you if you raise if a family is tight family is there for you it's your safety net it's the best safety net you could ever dream of ever dream of joe a spokesman for the governor said that the new standard for graduation would help and benefit people of color if that ain't races i don't know what is right and i really don't see how not being educated on two of the most important subjects helps anybody 100 joe and as far as i'm concerned that's the exact opposite of a school that i would set up the school i would set up math and english would be the only two mandatory courses the only two mandatory courses from grade one the grade one the only two mandatory courses you need not english but your natural language wherever you are wherever whichever part of the world your natural language in canon united states english at least english and mathematics everything else would be elective these morons are doing it the other way man we're insane i can't even use some of the words it's around 900 it's zoro zoro's katana is zoro's katana okay okay no deep flake science is mathematics is the language the science is built on right you give children the opportunity the the the choice to pick multiple different science courses as they're going through as they're being educated they will pick them there is no doubt science involves everything in the world biology chemistry physics those aren't the only ones how about how about providing electives right where you don't just study physics the physics the way physics is talking is over the top it's so like in grade 11 in canada they throw everything at you right it's like you can't even make heads or tails out of anything how about breaking these things down saying optics optics harmonics forget physics in general put it on the physics teach them harmonics that make that an elective right the only two mandatory courses natural language and math let the kids decide what else they want to take for 12 years just imagine the caliber of a human being that would come out of 12 years of choosing their own destiny that's the school i would create okay and i'm working towards it and i'm doing it slow and i'm doing it online and i'm hitting up the mathematics aspect of it okay and if you want to support this work patreon is where you can support this work it's probably the best place to do it right now okay aside from that i want to finish off the intro um that's about 12 minutes in how many people we got here i'm assuming notifications haven't gone out gang steve waves hey chico missed the one earlier today hoping to chill um for this one these streams are making my wisdom to go much faster good good good good uh deep flakes history no let them choose which history do they want they they they they say history they teach history in school in my part of world and then they teach you have one year would be just this history wait a second what if the kids not interested in that right what if they're not interested in let them choose which part of history they want to study right now is a historical moment in time right every moment is but this is crazy stuff going on why wouldn't they want instead of history study current events and then link it up to history right give them the choice kids are in in general my experience man a lot of my students have been a lot smarter and a lot of the grown-ups i've ever met in my life okay manager i guess that makes very little logical sense considering that mathematics is debatably the best way to understand your world 100 percent they don't they don't even require math literacy anymore to graduate from oregon in oregon is it oregon that uh yeah governor of oregon i would not live in oregon no no no absolutely not okay sleep waves hey chicho oh yeah right there was some other mistake yeah yeah that's it so gang we are live streaming we're gonna we're gonna start off listen to the stuff and hopefully people will roll in maybe notifications goes out we are live streaming on twitch twitch.tv forward slash chicho live chycholivv if you want to participate in these live streams in the chat chat chat twitch is where you want to be at okay gang uh and gang thank you very much for the support on twitch and thank you very much for being here mods thank you very much for taking care of business Cheryl how you doing i do announce these live streams for some reason mine wasn't working before this one but it is what it is mines vk gap parlor bitcloud getter okay and we do have a discord page where you can join our discord server and talk about whatever you want you can go to our chat anytime you want and type an exclamation mark discord and the discord link will pop up right there okay and you can join it there for live streams where we don't have any visuals we do upload the audio to soundcloud as a podcast and those podcasts should be available in your favorite podcasting platform including spotify and itunes and we will be uploading this live stream to censor to pitch it rumble and odyssey okay and thank you very much for the support on all those platforms gang it is because of your support that we're able to do this and don't forget as our chat says free assange free assange free assange julien sange is a publisher and journalist that has been crucified for trying to bring transparency and accountability of capitalist power to humanity for more information see wiki leaks dot org defend dot wiki leaks dot org and our julien sange and wiki leaks playlist on censor to gang should we do which one of these let me link it up again here's the playlist we got two choices right now we've never down to two choices which ones we're gonna watch do you guys want to watch right now episode two with with sal sal sal avid slavik slavik zizinski or and david orwitz or do you want to watch episode eight okay cyber cypher oh it is cypher it's not cypher fun it's cypher punks okay so basically some of the better known people in the tech community who have been building some of the platforms some of the technology that we have been using to communicate okay cypher punks okay mainly focused on anonymity privacy cryptography edwardo says number eight cyphe cypher funks sleepy ways says sharyl it looks like they want to go with the other one i agree history not as as in now but a grand grander scope and it would probably add philosophy philosophy sure give them the choice of philosophy give them the choice of history of monetary policy okay doki awesome sharyl metadragons i would post um i would pause it that if people want to understand the reasons behind the oppressive and prejudices prejudicial forces of government and society of the present learning history is a really good way to do so however history that is taught in centralized indoctrination is so distorted through textbooks that the individual who wants to learn the history has to learn how to fact check and learn bias training 100% agree the history being taught in essentialized indoctrination centers it's garbage right they try to paint a picture of how our society is so grand they're so great it's indoctrination on a level that's just insane insane all right give kids the choice and break the history down break it down you want to study roman history don't study hundreds of years of roman empire pick certain eras do that for sure get up get a broad perspective and then narrow it down right boom right contemporary history give broad speedy ones alistar and then make certain connections certain spikes and connect the spikes right but give the kids the choice to choose what they want to learn okay gang let's do this i am i am going to turn off the chat on the screen over here because it's going to pop up on our side over here with the video i'm going to kill my video right now and we're going into this view okay let's bring up this guy the playlist we're going to pop out the chat the chat's going to appear there so i'm going to kill the chat where are we i'm going to kill this chat so chat's not going to pop up the notification is up there that's fine i'm going to kill my audio i'm going to put my headphones on okay we're going with cypher punks episode number eight of julie massange's the world tomorrow i'm going to turn on the audio make sure my audio on the live stream is dead yep that's dead and we're going to go to episode eight okay and keep in mind in this playlist at the bottom there's an extended version of the first episode of episode eight part one and then episode nine is a two hour one i believe i've watched these i was thinking about i mentioned that i watched them earlier on the stream i'm pretty sure i've watched them but i'll probably watch these later on again just because they're so long won't get a chance to watch them during the live stream but maybe we will at some point so we're going to watch episode number eight let me make sure it's not okay let me kick up the audio on this actually it was where it was and i'm going to bring out the chat nice wonder if halfini isn't it i watched the cut i didn't know about the launch i agree two the longer version edwardo i'm we're going to do a sound check first okay so you guys let me know if the sound is okay let me turn on desktop audio i'm julie massange audio okay gang it's about the same as last time i did mess around with a couple of things because i was using computer after the live stream but it should be fine so what i'm going to do i'm going to kill the audio on this on my mic here i'm just going to listen to the desktop works yes what the year that this come out this came out in 2012 okay this came out in 2012 and make sure here we'll scroll down 2012 june 5th 2012 so basically a little over nine years ago okay a little over nine years ago gang i want to kill my audio we'll discuss this after we listen to the episode it's about 30 minutes today we're on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow furious war over the future of our societies is underway to most this war is invisible on the one side a network of governments and corporations that spy on everything we do on the other the cypher punks virtuoso geek activists who make codes and shake public policy this is the movement which spawned wiki leaks i am joined by three cypher punk friends from germany and emula magoon from france jeremy zimmerman and from the united states jake appleborn i want to ask them is the future of the world the future of the internet i want to look at the three basic freedoms so when i interviewed a head of hezbollah hassein nazrullah had become a certain there was a question what's that up there well he has his own kind of house arrest as well because he can't can't leave your secret location but i'm not sure that i would make that comparison please don't make that comparison you can edit that out right no no no no no so i want to go back to these these three fundamental freedoms freedom of communication freedom of movement and freedom of economic interaction so if we look at the transition of our global society onto the internet when we made that transition the freedom of personal movement is unchanged essentially the the freedom of communication is enhanced tremendously in some ways and that we now can communicate to many more people on the other hand is also tremendously degraded because there is no privacy anymore and so our communications can be spied on and are spied on and stored and as a result can be used against us it is available but it comes at a cost yeah yeah so in this sort of militarization of these sort of interactions and our economic interactions have suffered precisely the same consequences julian it's not wrong what you're saying but i'm not sure you can really distinguish between point two and three uh because the internet as we have it today is infrastructure for our social our economic our cultural our political or our things so however however the communication architecture is the money is just bits i mean this is just a usage of the internet and and your your study for years um cryptographic telephone secure phone calls sort of mass surveillance is occurring in relation to telecommunications tell me what is the state of the art as far as the government intelligence um bulk surveillance industry is concerned well yes mass storage meaning um storing all telecommunication has become all voice calls yeah all voice calls all internet connections actually what you have to see is the if you compare the military budget to the cost of surveillance and the cost also of cyber warriors uh normal weapon systems cost a lot of money if you compare that to cyber warriors or to mass surveillance likes that is very cheap that's super cheap compared to just one aircraft one military aircraft costs you the three million yeah yeah but there are two questions here we also have this example of eagle the system sold by the french company amesis that was sold to to kadafis libya and on the document that you know the commercial document it was written nationwide interception mechanism that's the strategic approach that you put somewhere and you just listen to all your people communication so we can discuss about the technology and i'm interested very much by that and this but this this ten years ago this was seen to be a fantasy this was seen to be something only only paranoid people believed in but the the costs of doing it have now decreased to the point where even countries like libya with relatively few resources was doing it with french technology exactly so now now that's a fact technology enables total surveillance of every communication then there is the the the other side of that coin is what we do with it uh we could admit that for what you call the tactical one there are some indeed some legitimacy may use investigators investigating on bad guys and networks of bad guys and so on may need under the supervision of the judicial authority uh to be able to use such um such tools but the question is yeah where to grow this judicial supervision where to grow the the control that the citizens can have over the use of those technologies and this is a policy issue and when we get to those policy issues and we were evoking that earlier we have politicians that are asked to just sign something and don't understand the underlying technology which is why we see so much hype about cyber war is that some people that seem to be in the authority about war start talking about technology as if they understand it and all these people talking about cyber war and not one of them not a single one is talking about cyber peace building or anything related to peace building they're always talking about war because that's their business and so they're trying to rope technology into that and so when we have no control of our technology we have these people that wish to use it for for their ends for war specifically that's a recipe for some pretty scary stuff all right so i see that there's now a militarization of cyberspace because we have inter interception across all national border points uh and and we we have militarized computer hackers operating on bulk with programs to attack sections of the internet and spy on sections of the internet may i oppose about the use of hackers in this context you're talking about soldiers using computers as military means yeah this is not hacking yeah and this is not hackers all right that's not good that's not good that's not good definition but the point is that we have civilian lives we don't we don't see tanks coming into the lab or this may be a special lounge room actually but we most most people don't see tanks or bugs coming into the lounge room normally or even down there even down their local road uh but now we take our personal lives and we put it all we put it all on facebook we communicate using internet we communicate using mobile phones which are now meshed to the internet and the military has control or the intelligence agencies have control of that data and studying that data so this is some kind of militarization of civilian life absolutely there is a real question whether or not we should regulate the the the fact of just buying and owning those technologies or using the bulk interception kits that can intercept half a country or a city or a nuclear weapon you cannot yeah sell that easily a nuclear weapon and some countries may want to build one may have problems or something and that's the technology that is regulated and not the use that is being done with it when we talk about weapon systems so i think the debate might be about whether or not these technologies should be considered as war there's no question that it is a weapon in places like Syria or in places like Libya right they specifically use the surveillance equipment to target people politically in in Libya they targeted people in the united kingdom using fringe equipment that would be illegal to run in France and they saw that they never do that right well they were caught with their own internal documents in the spy files right state-sponsored surveillance is indeed a major issue it challenges the very structure of our democracies and the way the way the way it functions but is it the proper time now to evoke also that there is private surveillance and potentially for private mass collection of data and actually just just look at google google knows if you're a standard google user google knows who you're communicating with who you know what you're researching potentially your sexual orientation your religion is more about than you know yourself more than your mother yeah and maybe more than yourself google knows when you're online and when you're not do you know what you looked for it two years three days and four hours ago oh you don't know google knows no but actually i i try not to use google anymore for these very reasons but what i'm saying is it's not only the state-sponsored surveillance it's the the the question of privacy the way that data is being handled by third parties and the the actual knowledge that people have over what is being made with the data most most popular facebook as well germany well i actually don't use facebook so i i don't know much about it but no with facebook you see the very same behavior of users who are very happy to to to hand out any kind of personal data and of course when you see teenagers you know sending pictures of them being drunk or or whatever they may not have this uh vision that it means the the whole rest of the world potentially for a very very long period of time that will have access to this data and so facebook makes its business by blurring this line between privacy friends publicity and uh is uh even uh storing the data when you think that it is only meant for your friends and the people you love this this line between government and corporation i mean this is blurred i mean if you look at the expansion of the military in the military contractor sector uh in the west over the past 10 years the national security agency which was the biggest spy agency in the world uh it had it had 10 primary contractors on its books that it worked with now it has two years ago has over 1000 so so there's a spreading out a smearing out of the border between between what is government and it can be argued that uh the u.s uh spying agencies have access to all of google stored data but they do and all of facebook data so in a way facebook and google may be extensions of these agencies i mean i know that the we just got to yesterday in our twitter case so far which unfortunately i can't really talk about because i don't actually live in a free country which is a really i mean it's a thing right because these these orders also have gagging a gag complaint yes that's been found to be unconstitutional so let's oh maybe maybe not right i mean um you know for the twitter case it's public that we lost the stay where we said that disclosing this data to the government would do a reputable harm and they can never forget this data once they receive it and you know the government said yeah well your stay is denied you have twitter must disclose this data and you know we're in the process of appeal specifically about the secrecy of docking and i can't talk about that because we're in the process of appeal but but as it stands right now the court found that they said on the internet that that that you have no expectation of privacy when you willingly reveal information to a third party and by the way everyone on the internet is a third party and they said it was a one-to-one map with banking privacy and with you know giling a telephone you willingly disclose the number to the phone company by using it and you knew that right by using the telephone you obviously are saying i have no expectation of privacy by typing those numbers i mean there's even less explicit connection to the machine people don't understand how the internet works they don't understand the telephone networks either but the courts have consistently ruled that this is the case it's absolute madness to imagine that we give up all of our personal data to these companies and then the companies have essentially become privatized secret police where in the case of facebook we have democratized surveillance and instead of paying people off the way this does he did in your country we reward them as a culture by you know they get laid now you know they report on their friends and then like hey oh so-and-so got engaged oh so-and-so broke up oh i know who to call now right and this is the difference between a privacy by policy and a privacy by design approach to actually creating secure systems i mean when you're trying to target people and you know you live in a country that explicitly targets people you know you if facebook put its servers in in goddafi's livia or it put it in asad siria that would be absolutely negligent so knowing that that's reality that these companies have some serious ethical liability that stems from the fact that they're building these systems and they've made the economic choice basically to sell their users out and this isn't this isn't even a technical thing this isn't about it isn't about technology at all it's about economics and they have decided that that that it is more important to collaborate with the state and to sell out their users and to violate their privacy and to be a part of the system of control to be paid back for being a part of the surveillance culture to be part of that that that culture of control than to be resistant to it and so they build it they become a part of it they're complicit and liable i want to look at this this what i see as it is a difference between a u.s um cipherpunk perspective and uh the european perspective which is i think is quite interesting so the u.s second amendment is the right to bear arms i mean just recently watching some footage that a friend shot in the u.s on the right to bear arms and so right above a firearm store it's democracy locked and looted and and that that's the way you ensure that you don't have a totalitarian regimes that people are armed and if they're pissed off enough uh then they simply take their arms and they retake control uh by force so if we look back to this declaration that code making providing um secret cryptographic codes that the government couldn't spy on was in fact ammunition and this big war that we fought in the 1990s to try and make cryptography available to everyone which we largely won actually in in the west yeah in the west which we largely won and it's in in every every browser now perhaps being backdoored in different kind and subverted in different kinds of ways um that this notion of you cannot trust a government to implement the policies that it says that it's implementing and so we must provide the underlying tools cryptographic tools that we control as a sort of use of force in the the government no matter how hard it tries if the ciphers are good uh cannot break into your communications directly maybe maybe you can put a bug in your house or whatever maybe the force of authority is derived from violence one must acknowledge with cryptography no amount of violence will ever solve the math problem exactly and this is the important key it doesn't mean you can't be tortured it doesn't mean that they can't try to bug your house or subvert it in some way but it means that they find an encrypted message it doesn't matter if they have the force of the authority behind everything that they do they cannot solve that math problem and that this is a thing though that is totally non-obvious to people that are non-technical and it has to be driven home if we could solve all of those math problems it would be a different story and of course the government will be able to solve those math problems if anyone could but that's the difference right it's actually a thing it's just a change it's just the fact that it just happens to be a fact about reality such like that you could build atomic bombs that there are the math problems that you can create that even the the strongest state cannot directly directly break and i think that was tremendously appealing uh to californian libertarians and others who believed in this sort of democracy locked and loaded and here we here was a very intellectual way of doing it of a couple of individuals with cryptography standing up to the full power of the strongest superpower in the world and we're still doing that a little bit but i have a have a view that the likely outcome is that those are really tremendously big economic forces and tremendously big political forces like Jeremy was saying and that the natural efficiencies of these technologies compared to the number of human beings will mean will mean that slowly we will end up into a global totalitarian surveillance society society by totalitarian i mean a total surveillance and that perhaps the there will just be the last free living people and these last free living people are those people who understand how to use this cryptography to defend against this complete total surveillance are we headed for that sort of story but first of all if you look at it from a market perspective i'm convinced that there is a market in privacy that has been mostly left unexplored so maybe there will be an economic drive for companies to develop tools that will give users the the individual ability to control their data and communication maybe this is one way that we can solve that problem i'm not sure it can work alone but this may happen and we may not know it yet um also it is interesting to see um what you're describing is the the power of the hackers in a way uh hackers to the primary sense of the term not not a criminal a hacker is a is a technology enthusiast is somebody who likes to understand how technology works not to be trapped into technology and make it work better like i suppose that you too when you were five or seven you had a screwdriver and tried to open devices to understand what it was like inside so this is what being a hacker is and hackers build the internet um for many reasons also because it was fun and um have developed it and have given the internet to to everybody else so companies like google and facebook saw the opportunity to build uh business models based on capturing users personal data but still we see a form of power in the hands of hackers and what is of my um primary interest these days is that we see these hackers um gaining power even in the political arenas this political radical radicalization of internet youth over the past two years especially um you've been all over the world talking talking about talking to people who want anonymity one privacy in relation to their own government i mean you must have seen in many different countries this this phenomena is it something significant sure i mean i think it's absolutely significant i went to tunisia after ben ali's regime fell and you see that there's a sort of awakening about that but i i think that you're wrong to say that it just happened in the last couple of years and i'm sorry to do this too on your own show but you know you you are part of the radicalization of my generation right i'm like a third generation cypher punk if i if i were in that and you know the work that you and ralph did on the the roberhoes file system is part of what inspired me to to work on crypto systems and you know the the crypto uh file system he wrote was in response to things like the you know the regulatory investigative powers in the united kingdom where that basically the state has decided negative regulation is the solution to cryptography where they can you know you know take take your password of course in julian's case when they created this it was because oppressive regimes would torture people for passphrase so you had to be able to give up different passphrases in order to comply with their torture and and i realized when i saw that this existed that you could use technology to empower everyday people to change the world and the cypher punks going back i mean this is this is really the it goes far far back you know the old mailing list the cypher punk mailing list with tin may and reading your old posts on the cypher punks mailing list i mean that's what started a whole generation of people really becoming more radicalized because people realized that they weren't atomized anymore and that they could literally take some time to write some software that if someone used it they could empower millions of people and and there are just some unintended consequences with how that played out yeah because the people that created google they didn't start out to create google to create the greatest surveillance machine that ever existed but in effect that is what has been created and as soon as people start to realize it they'll start sending in those national security letters okay i think there are three crucial points in what you you you just said um just three no yeah among others one of them is um authoritarian regime and the powers that authoritarian regime have in an era of digital technologies in the the case of the benally regime it is obvious in so many regime as of today it is obvious that you can decide what people can learn about or who they can communicate with and this is of tremendous power and this should be opposed and the internet a free internet is a tool for opposing that another that you well that's your area of expertise uh and it's building tools and building tools to to building better technology technology that can try to root around such problems as censorship but basically building tools that are part of that infrastructure that help us um uh topple dictators like that and yet another issue um is the political storytelling uh the the pretext that are used every day uh by politicians uh through the media are we all going to die of terrorism therefore we need a patriot act uh child pornographers are everywhere there are pedonazis all over the internet therefore we need uh censorship uh artists pedonazis pedonazis yeah pedonazi.com is reserved already uh and uh artists are going to die and there won't be cinema anymore therefore we have to give hollywood the power to censor the internet and so on and so on so um i think here again the internet is a tool uh is a internet maybe the antidote to that political storytelling uh the political storytelling relies on monotonality and relies on the the media term that is of extremely short uh span uh one information appears and this appears 24 hours afterwards and is replaced by another and and and so on with the internet i got the feeling that we are uh we're we're building what i call uh internet time as the great internet never forgets we can build over years day after day dossier uh and we can elaborate we can analyze this is what we've been doing for the last three years with acta and so we built our own political line with internet time with a precise analysis with uh hard work uh with connecting uh people together to participate in that we've won the the narrative but behind the scenes secret bilateral treaties have been set up which are achieving the same result anyway it's just it's just subverted the one thing that i think really has to be pointed out is that you know and the people that are fighting against acta are in fact they are using technology and and the technology enables them to resist but it is in fact the agency of everyday people that is important to to understand here and and techno babel is not the thing that is important what what matters is people actually getting involved in that narrative and changing it well they still have the power to do so and and the human aspect of that is in fact the most important part of that and the fact that wiki leaks has released documents that enable that that it is the information sharing that is important but it is also the people that take that important information and actually move it because there is at least the the the the argument that we do live in a democracy that we are free that it's supposed to be that we are governed through consent and so if if if everyone understands what is going on and we find that it is not something we consent to then it is very difficult to keep up that and just pass those as laws and do it without the consent of the of those that are governed it's about increasing the political costs of taking those bad decisions for the ones who take them and we can do that collectively with a free internet as long as we have it between them amazing discussion amazing discussion agreed that was great the internet is that antidote the internet is the antidote and the poison if we're not careful right it's just like any medicine dosage matters right dosage matters that was great indeed fantastic part two is fantastic as well as it continues on with it and everything that they're seeing is on point boom boom boom boom where we are right now what were the three things Julian Assange was saying are the key to freedom right to what it means to be alive the travel communication finance right right now travel has been limited by our centralized governments communication is 100% surveilled censorship up the yin yang right censorship up the yin yang and on the finance side we've got a lot of games going on with the currencies and whatnot and the m1 numbers in the united states i'm two numbers in united states discontinued boom over the top right that is a battlefront sleepy ways on a basic level how do you protect ourselves from these data consuming technocrats by design there are websites out there like protomail is a website where all your email is encrypted okay so protomail is a place where you can get an email account it costs money it's not free it's not very much i think it's like 20 a month or something like that's our 15 dollars a month and your communication is 100% encrypted protomail was started off with um leverson he had an email account where the united state or email server where the united states i believe i'm going by memory again where the united states government said we want the encryption keys to this and he refused to give them the encryption keys and they forced them to shut down right so laval levin levinson brutalizing the name problem not pronouncing it right he folded his company okay because he refused to give up the code to his client's communication okay and then he started protomail with i believe other investors and stuff right he started protomail somewhere else where they can't be touched so there are there are platforms popping up now that um are providing anonymity privacy there is um there's alternatives coming up to twitter and facebook right like they're under threat facebook and twitter seriously disclaimer family has put on twitter they are under threat in five to ten years times twitter and facebook might not exist twitter is going to be the first one to go by the way why my guess is right but there are social platforms that are hundred percent encrypted right or popping up they're coming online so they just have to be um adopted with by more people manager against i just uh reinstalled firefox and make doc.go my default search engine that's a good baseline in my opinion indeed and once i started using doc.go took me a few weeks couple months to three months to transition away from google but once i started using doc.go you'll never go back to google thank you very much for the follow aka m6009 right google you only use for certain things that doc.go doesn't have the features yet right once it gets the features google is just out right let's leave it away you got to move away from uh twisty cho this is owned by amazon indeed indeed let's let's see how where the video sharing platforms the live streamings work out rumble just kicked it up huge right i haven't tried out rumble with their live streaming but for me i'm okay with decentralizing and bringing another live streaming platform online live streaming to both and if one of them starts censoring you just drop that one and go to the other one right um so right now the technocrats in silicon valley there's a reason why they've taken over most western governments and they're trying to force their technology onto everyone is because they're scared shitless there's disruptive innovation coming on with the mindset of what we just watched right now as the building block for their platform right they a lot of people sort of sat back and sort of went okay everybody knows what's important what needs to happen for us to have freedom and then silicon valley came along monopolize that the whole damn thing all the different platforms and then um commodified it right put it on wall street and the only thing that mattered was money do you have any idea how many millions of hackers around the world apple google microsoft twitter facebook these companies have pissed off man i would not want to be in their shoes right now because there's a lot of people that are pretty damn pissed as to what's been going on and there are things coming online and my money is on them my money is not on the technocrats in silicon valley they can kiss my ass kaitetsu most people i know don't really have an issue with privacy they just say they have nothing to hide no matter what the what i say they don't listen the best the best reply to those people that say i have nothing to hide is so i'm not worried about privacy it's like it's like saying i have nothing to say so i don't care about censorship right something along those levels right i have nothing important to say so i don't care about free speech right that's that's the kicker that's their mentality and their dumdums they're they're useful idiots for fascist regimes right sleep with shicho yeah but just like the video was saying these technocrats have obtained so much power they can hire anybody and all the infrastructure here's the kicker sleepy waves the guy who hacked in to the cryptocurrency server and stole right made six hundred million dollars disappear right the next day he came out and said i don't want this money i'm not doing this for money i did it to show vulnerability in the system and return the money now the exchange gave him five hundred thousand dollar reward for finding this vulnerability but the guy in his statement came out five hundred million five hundred thousand six hundred million he was sitting on untraceable he could have got away with six hundred million but he didn't care about the money and his statement he said i don't care about money i'm not doing this for the money right there are a lot of people out there that cannot be bought okay more than what the technocrats and uh and the propagandists and centralized power would like us to believe there are people out there that cannot be bought julie nasant was one of them right you can bet your ass they made them offers why did the google ceo uh schmidt fly over to talk to google uh to talk to julie nasant this was a few years ago before the centralized state really kicked it into high gear right he went up there the odds are he made julie nasant an offer and julie nasant told him to go fuck himself right that's probably what happened okay do you seriously think the centralized governments could buy julie nasant for anything there are people out there that cannot be bought and monetary gain is not the reason their function for existence okay they are the ones that need our support and they are the true warriors and they will be the last man standing okay and that video was 10 years ago imagine now imagine now indeed taquita how are you doing i wish i had a cigar right now smoking her away again so that was a fantastic fantastic discussion okay where we go on we go all do you believe in the rape allegations no the garbage that's already been proven to be garbage by the way uh where we go like it came out it was lies like just pure propaganda and i was talking with people at the time friends and stuff that were saying oh he's he's a rapist he's this he's this i'm like you guys are morons right people that were regurgitating cnn and abc and bb bbc and the guardian the stuff morons and i they're friends some of them close some of them not so close right and in their faces i call them morons right because they were morons and i wouldn't recommend to them i recommend that all of them anyone that was regurgitating any garbage that mainstream propagandas were spewing that they stop reading the guardian watching the bbc or cnn and stuff like this and there were some of them got offended oh don't tell me what to do i go while you're a moron obviously so you're you're with the fascist you're the useful idiot you if you're if you if you if people are spewing bullshit about a truth teller for me i don't hold back right that's the kicker that's the kicker right rank i missed it how long tell you upload it uh a few days man it's going to be a week or so okay it's going to be a week here's a playlist it was episode number eight that we watched here's the playlist episode number eight that we watched takita thanks just uh listening you okay awesome uh so gang uh sharyl i'm assuming you're still here maybe you you you've you've gone gardening which is a great thing to do by the way gang i got cheese grapes again from our patio and i ate a fig already got another fig going should we cut this fig let's have another fig these are figs from our tree garden yep still here awesome so should we do episode two and then we're going to watch the second part of the cypher punk episode episode nine we'll do it tomorrow but how about we watch episode number two with zezinski and harowitz this is our fig we showed this yesterday it was super delicious let's put it the right side up i'm laughing too hard it's not focusing like seriously you go like this to a fig and you lick it and eat it well done joe as soon as the stream ends you can rewash the whole thing oh yeah that's right as soon as the stream ends you can rewash the whole thing thanks joe i told her god where do you read news oh man kitsutsu i got i'm sharing the places where i acquire my news on our discord page discord if you go to our discord server the link is right there right you can punch an exclamation mark discord in our chat on twitch anytime you want right even when not live streaming you get our discord page you can go there and um there'll be a little welcome message if you're going to join the server and you can pick your reaction it's just for fun but there is economics folder personal finance folder politics folder news folder there's a lot of people sharing a lot of information and i share whatever i think that is important to share or it could be a sound bite it could be in depth article in depth video lectures and we got lectures and mathematics and education and all that jazz a lot of folders sleepy way says let's do episode two let's do the uh episode two at guard oh wow that's the fig and gang don't forget free a song free a song free a song julien songs publisher and journalists that has been crucified for trying to bring transparency and accountability of capitalist power to humanity for more information see wikileaks.org defend dot wikileaks.org or or julien songs on wikileaks playlist on censor too that uh have not seen a fresh green fig before they're amazing inside out flowers the sex organs of flowers your plants your like that's what you're eating power is the skin hard no not really it's pretty soft right it's harder than the inside the inside those are like the um what do you call it the petal a pet petals petal stools i forgot what they're called in flower and then the skin is that and the skin is not hard do i have any books that talk about capitalist power i recommend going to jonathan nitsans website okay it's called um what's it called capital the thing's called capitalist power tell the truth um he came up with the concept with another professor from israel they came up the concept of uh differential accumulation okay and um they have a website and there's a forum there where people are talking about capitalist power and people are writing articles constantly regarding capitalist power that's where the concept is really being discussed um economically anyway it's pretty important if you let me know sleepy waves i'll link it up in our discord for you okay rank what form of financial support would you prefer the most sub on twitch patreon i would prefer patreon tell the truth because um twitch is takes half the funds patreon takes 10 to 15 percent after everything's said and done all right so there's more bang for your buck on patreon and thank you for thinking about it by the way okay thank you for thinking about it gang let's watch the second episode i'm gonna take off the chat off the screen here that way doesn't interrupt with the video okay let's go chat box down and i'm gonna switch up my video here do you refer to any astro or prediction stuff um astrology no not really not really uh follow the money and you can predict anything you want okay sleepy waves chicho i researched it up it looks like he has a book um capitalist power a study of order and cre order indeed that's the one you want right a study of order and cre order read his article disrupt um differential accumulation very good and i've read a few of his articles that they put out and they present the data and other people that are sharing some of the articles on on that forum that he has fantastic okay i haven't read his book yet i communicated with him i put out a video regarding his stuff and sent him a link to it and he sent me feedback and i communicated with him a little bit fantastic person really that's what an educator should be right jesus triple gemini always cracks me up no wonder you love to look at data every day indeed thank you very much for the follow vaccines don't know awesome name okay gang um i'm gonna turn off my audio turn on the uh desktop audio i'm turning off my audio we're gonna go watch episode two of julien assange's the world tomorrow and we'll discuss it afterwards okay and part two of the cipher funk we're gonna watch tomorrow okay so this is going to be about another half an hour i guess i'm julien assange editor of wiki leaks we've exposed the world's secrets these documents belong to the united states government being attacked by the powerful united states strongly condemned hey quit asking questions we broke them off illegally shoot the son of a for 500 days now i've been detained without charge but that hasn't stopped us today we're on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow today i am joined by an intellectual superstar the slovenian philosopher slavoli zizek a former anti-communist dissident now turned self-described communist together we call david horowitz a former left-wing radical and black panther ally now a fiery right-wing zionist i want to know what they think about the future of europe and the united states the conversation becomes heated zizek has to be physically restrained we shout rant and talk calmly about nazis and palestinians black panthers and israelis about obama romney and starlin david you describe yourself as a conservative and slavoli you describe yourself as a communist but nonetheless both of you uh have had a picture of starlin i'm in the middle of the show it's going to be about an hour yeah right i can't i can't talk to you i got that's an international show okay go ahead david can you tell me what do you mean by conservative and why do you have a picture of starlin well the picture of starlin that was on my office wall was his death and i'm a conservative because the leftist utopians have no idea of what human nature is uh and therefore when they get the power they're faced with a big problem which is that people don't go along with their program and so they kill them and put them in gulags and uh the problem with the utopian idea is the idea okay uh first why starlin precisely to remind me and here maybe be at some marginal level even agree precisely to remind me of the risks dangers of radical political experiments you know i don't know what to make of what slavoli is saying when he says that starlin is there to remind him of the dangers of totalitarian of the totalitarian strain in the left or of the dangers of that utopian ideas can lead to because he supports all the totalitarian movements in the world that i can see um you're a supporter of uh the closest thing we have to nazism which was a utopian idea uh in the middle east uh you know you support the palestinians i don't see anything to distinguish the palestinians who want to kill the jews uh from the nazi listen did you ever visit the west bank it's totally safe for jews it's i didn't know what i'm saying is that i went there with my jewish friends it's safe and i can tell you what i uh it's i'm not saying i must emphasize this i find uh tasteless these ideas oh what nazis were doing to the jews the jews are now doing to palestinians i agree this is tasteless but sorry palestinians are there screwed up pretty strong screwed by hamas no no no no here i disagree here i disagree with the way with the way israelis humiliated arafat and so on israeli policy opened up the space for hamas influence there second thing oh we're gonna blame the jews for hamas great oh my god you see this is what i don't like about you my god whatever i say i blame the jews you know why i i don't know i want to look seriously just one thing look at the situation of women now in iraq horribly sound that's more than under who's responsible for this united states with their f three points intervention international left in the democratic party in the united states that went to war like for Saddam and against george bush when he went into iraq we should have settled their hash we should not have uh you know we should have occupied them for several years i mean this is an incredible statement though should have stuck it to syria and then we should have stuck it to iran but bush came under such a tag uh from from the democrat there's never been such a seditious movement by a major american party they all supported the war not all of them but the leadership supported the war they voted in their majority in the senate for the war and then they turned against it and they lied saying that bush lied bush couldn't have lied about the intelligence because kerry and rakefeller and feinstein all the democrats sat on the intelligence committees they had better intelligence than julian in in in the work that we do the work that wiki leagues does we are pushing forwards the boundaries of a certain type of liberty that is we say protected by the first amendment that is the liberty to to reveal the truth about the world to protect the historical record from interference and so on i saw this incredible poster uh that the u.s army produced which is a poster of jefferson uh say with a big statue of jefferson saying the cost of liberty is eternal vigilance that is the price of liberty and it had giant interception systems people with guns and the coast guard and people looking out over the sea with with spyglasses they had interpreted jefferson's statement which was that to stop a strong state we must be eternally vigilant into we must have a strong state an aggressive state a surveillance state in order we i think it's regrettable that the state is so big that that our defense has to be so big it's absolutely regrettable but it's a reality and you know i'd like to go back to your thing about liberty and equality of course if people are unequal if people have unequal talents unequal uh intelligence then the only way to make them equal is to take away liberty that's the only way you can do it there's no other way so of course there's an inherent conflict between a liberty listen i'm not an idealist here in contrast what you think i am not for total freedom everything should be made public but i think these big leagues are not doing this all i'm saying it when the way great power structure a certain level of hypocrisy is reached then selectively when simply how's they put it uh of course we are always called to trust the state power in the sense of sorry we have to do certain things discreetly better than you don't know about it and i agree we have to play this game i'm not a stupid i but when obviously this trust is misused things like wiki list can play a very positive role sorry i don't see any danger of colapso boy if i disagree if the revolution if we had a new revolutionary government yeah a new revolutionary government and wiki leaks managed to get hold of the internal discussions of that government yeah and we were going to publish it i will answer your question would i would i be would i be good with me i cannot release the joke here you know what it's too difficult for me to answer this question now when i will be part of this evolutionary government i will send you my answer to your gulak selling sebiria quite possibly the idea is it's got to be ordered liberty it can't be but every liberty is order in some sense david on the the front front of guantanamo bay the slogan there is on a bound to defend freedom in in iraq there is a prison camp camp liberty these to me seem to be abuses of the word freedom and i i want to know from you do you really think this tremendous state that is growing up in the united states is that entirely necessary to combat the rival race competition that the united states has from china from europe or or is this now a self-feeding system it's you know there's people are the problem people are the problem they're greedy they lie they're deceitful they manipulate uh they you know they're egocentric we understand that and and people in government are just the same dangerous people with more power so that's why we have the checks and balances and i'm i'm all for you know more scrutiny and this and that however we live in a context the united states and israel are under attack from the international left which is very powerful from all these dictators in south america that slavoy seems to get along with uh from the islamo fascists uh and we live in an age when they have nuclear weapons and chemical and biological i think there's going to be a catastrophe that will dwarf everything that happened in the 20th century in the 21st because of this don't use don't you see the the creation of an enormous secretive bureaucracy doing each other favors involved in rotating door contracts etc so don't you see that that perhaps can be similar to what occurred in the soviet union and we need a strong serving union if we eliminate the competition but the fact of it look you got a leftist in the white house a guy who was brought up and trained by communists whose whole political career was in the communist left you have the competition you know you you you can't have what you think of this monolith and you know the secret that controls everything you have if you prefer think of it as many mafias and they're all at each other's throats and that's what keeps us somewhat safe very very briefly you know first let me say something without any anti americanism problem is countries like like like russia where they shut down the opposition i know russia can't shut it down i know whom you mean russia putin isn't this the guy whom when he made bush bush said you remember i looked into putin's eyes and i knew i can trust that guy but this is just a put note what i'm saying is that look look stupid things that push that so i thought it wasn't yeah yeah okay let me go on so listen i'm unfortunately you know that communists like to to blur the true opposition to them democracy you must know this communist like to call everyone who opposes them fascists if you did a modest democratic or fascist counter evolution what i'm afraid is that you use the word communist in a slightly similar way whoever is a little bit of critical or american conservative establishment he's a communist then of course obama is a communist they are all you're not referring you're not referring to barack obama yeah because in what meaningful sense of the world then you have no idea then you have no idea of barack obama's background who he actually is if you say that because this is not just about my old well i don't care about so he is stalling's background was a religious poet who wrote poems i have some of them as we both know let me go briefly on but don't you think that nonetheless i think and this is a good thing but don't you think that nonetheless for me the great failure of bush presidency was that with his non i wouldn't use the aggressive sometimes you need it non intelligent politics that he the result of his decade was that the united states effectively come came close to losing the position of universal world power under bush you united states lost effectively control over latin america and so on and so on and i think and this is not i don't say it with some leftist glee who finally we got the united states but i think we are entering i even tend to agree with you a very dangerous multi centered world all these dreams that america will somehow regain control are for me over and again i am not saying this with any you know what i mean of this very dangerous i agree it is a dangerous world i agree the national state of europe is not so bad listen let's face it and for this many leftists will accuse me of eurocentrism or whatever european welfare state dream more than if you permit me this european love more than i think even united states dream wasn't this maybe the unique period in human history after world war two the welfare state where so many people live in such safety freedom and so on don't make too much fun of europe it was a great thing as far as it lasts or it was a disastrous period europe europe is a cultural theme park it's insignificant that's what happened that's what your welfare state did it just took europe out of the picture i have had personal i had personal experience with with the socialist dream paradise of sweden and i can tell you it is nothing like the advertising but it wasn't 20 30 years ago i still insist on this something has broken there yeah the sweet the swedes have no morals that david the striving towards utopia the striving towards a better position even if even if that position is liberty it is more liberty that is a striving a direction that people wish to have they can measure contemporary events by the direction of their hopes and ideals have we now abandoned that to religion because religion is there waiting in the gap to see to seize utopian vision people can't live with with the scent most people can't live with the sense that their lives are meaningless that they're just you know born and die and are forgotten so if you're a religious person then there's a divinity who's going to make sorted out in the afterlife there are redemption in the next life if you're not religious you want a redemption in this life that's what the left is about it is a religious movement and it's not an accident that all these isn't these utopian isms whether it's communism or fascism or nazism or liberalism or what or liberalism it's also utopia people have to want to make things better i see it may take a lot of ambition to make a a a modest change so um you know i'm trying to think of of one that would would fit what you want to do what you want to do what you do is a radical means that can have very destructive consequences but there are a moment when you have to be when you have hitler and holocaust but when you have for example hitler and holocaust you don't say oh let's try to be friendly with that nazi guy there do it modestly you have to there are moments when you have to be aggressive i hope we agree i hope we agree on this and about all that utopia stuff for me my position is a modest one i see as we all do that we are approaching potential catastrophes and all i'm saying is we should fully consciously confront these catastrophes no easy utopian anything communist or liberal or whatsoever let me try to tie up these discussions he works to be general secretary stalin who at the end makes the resume he still is a communist he's the communist yeah what i was gonna say war is the natural war is the natural condition of mankind it's always been worse right from from the beginning okay and many of them peace occurs only when there's a concert of powers or a single power that can intimidate would be aggressors now i ask you who would you like that power to be other than the united states i don't know but united states is no longer even the candidate for me and the united states get well that's why that's why we're facing such catastrophe but you're contributing it by encouraging leftists isn't the way to keep the state accountable is to have a free market in states you mean different political options different political options and then people who don't like the conditions in one state can move to another state they can move their businesses they can move their assets they can move their families the united states is not equipped as as we showed in iraq we can't we can't even occupy a country we can we can barely conduct a four-day war that that was a six-week one and we're with america is it's a country where people are so uh there's so much opportunity people are so busy having fun uh i don't want to go to war americans don't want to go to war america america has to be lied into war no actually it was tony blair that did that united states is crippled uh in part because uh it's commander in chief is a leftist here i respectfully disagree i'm serious if united states still have a certain attraction and so on to the world i'm sorry to inform you it is because of people like obama who can succeed there four days into obama's administration he authorized his first drone strike in pakistan who do you think obama really is what when he came into office and actually when he was running he knew that his weak flank was was the military so he picked pakistan uh he has killed more civilians and the left lets him get away with it because they're left because the left is a religious force it has nothing to do with principle the left doesn't care about uh asians being uh you know killed by drones uh you know the what is he what what does he want to do out in the streets protesting what obama is doing in pakistan and afghanistan uh you know beyond you know i i don't have any respectful leftist anymore because i don't think they're principle you see here is our difference we are both critical towards obama you are critical towards him you are critical towards obama because you think he's a communist leftist i'm critical towards obama because quite on the contrary i think that he is not a secret closet leftist he is not he pretends to be a leftist he is not that's the problem you don't know what you're talking about slovoi i mean i've listened to tarik ali i mean he hates uh when obama is doing but that just because they're a leftist these are your old left left leftist friends but atari kali is not my friend i don't buy this democratic left of you know local grassroots democracy blah blah blah all i'm saying is that the problem which gave rise to communism is still here with us i'm afraid what happens if we don't find the solution no it isn't the yeah the problems are gonna be here forever yeah but you know there are problems and problems that's the that's a realistic view okay let's let's let's hold the gentlemen gentlemen that we can change them we have a lot of ground we we have a lot of ground we have a lot of ground we are we are two fanatics and he's a liberal trying to we should maybe all totalitarians come together to get rid of this liberal we have a lot of ground to cover and i i do want to cover it okay so um david you were in the black panthers uh and you stayed in the black panthers post well i was never a member i i i raised money for you helped them uh you were you were involved in the activities and you supported them yes uh you were letting those bankers who helped hitler no he's right he was a metaphor and you bought in a bookkeeper from the then ramparts magazine uh which you which we were editing um betty van pater and i just want to draw your attention to a letter that was sent uh to you um in my mind you were the person responsible for betty's death sending her in to order the panthers books at this particular time was tantamount to dressing her in a Ku Klux Klan white sheet and sending her up to junior this isn't this isn't i mean that's just a slanderous letter by a bitter guy you know who actually was involved with the panthers before i was it never said anything um the left will defend the cause and will sacrifice any individual in this case it was me um if david do you think this this tragedy i mean you you were involved in a in a murder i mean a murder murder was around you this is something of great personal importance to you and it must have affected your your outlook on the world but do you think that you did this open your eyes to the reality or rather it colored your perception i was very aware of that so betty was killed in uh or her body was discovered in february 1975 um i i didn't do anything politically after that for the next nine years i voted for reagan in 1984 and that's when i emerged as a conservative of course i came under tremendous attack from the left but i hadn't said anything um i was gonna say hadn't said anything i hadn't done any political activity attacking the left in all those nine years because i was very aware that i i was you know i felt i had been betrayed by the movement i felt guilty um and what i had supported um so i waited till i was relatively cool i think you know it's in your character if you're passionate or not but uh david you started you started writing biographies after that betty von pey's death uh into rockefeller's another big american family right i mean when you started writing all those biographies did you interview members of those well-connected families yes you moved into a new social orbit as a result of your biography no no no no no i i really have remained pretty much the same all my life i i didn't move into any new orbits i mean i did i did i had to i lost every friend that i ever had as a leftist and that was in midlife so i had i reconstituted my my friendships i think that's a big factor that keeps people in the left is that they know that if they cross a line they're going to lose their all their friends hunting what yeah just okay okay all right sorry about that no problem i am for communism with human faith but you will be allowed to do this got you no seriously that's not enough to put down an activism or what you do at all i have to go to universities with bodyguards because of the fascists left in this country i have assassination threats all over i'm the only guy in this room that was physically assaulted by right wingers to be a communist and by communists to be a traitor to nationalist so come on come on yeah no i'm not kidding jay who who will you be voting for in the upcoming election well we don't have a candidate yet well i mean amongst the cat amongst the candidate oh i i think romney has the best chance to beat this guy to beat to be obama yeah i'm not i'm not happy with anybody i agree here with you it's very tragic and really maybe even bet in the long term for the vitality of united states that republican party it looks to me like this simply wasn't able to produce a candidate which would have enough drawing force and so on it's very sad i agree i don't i'm not happy about this um i agree it's too bad thank you david harwitz sorry no visiting he's a secret no he's even worse than a communist he's a socialist with the human face this is the lowest form of existence socialism with the human face is the lowest form it's like frogs crawling there probably a victim of these okay thank you guys all right all right okay my god let's uh but you know you have to do a little bit of Stalinist work this was madness you know what i mean my idea is they put you on a plane the union should say we will not fly if you are or something like this you know so i think it's time to to raise the stakes audio audio turned on let's turn this off the desktop and throw the chat back on fun fun good discussion and uh someone asked the question who was the person's name it's um um let me get the name the person this is this is the episode uh david harwitz i think david harwitz was out of his mind uh the guys the guys confused to say the least and here's a link to the discussion and uh the two people that were in this discussion were just grab it or these two people okay slavo zezek i don't know how to pronounce that okay and david harwitz and david harwitz i think was out of his mind uh chicho uh sleeper waves i literally don't even know what we want to be honest it was a discussion that's supposedly about the left and the right but um david harwitz was confused he's like he's basically saying human nature is to kill and the only way to reduce the amount of killing is to put the biggest killer in power that way no one will will try to remove the biggest killer in power and the biggest killer in power can kill anybody they want and then you'll have less killing that's what basically his argument is that's what basically any any of the arguments of people that think that um an empire is the way to be right menadryans finally david can go call his wife back hilarious fun conversation to listen fun conversation to listen to fun conversation to listen to slavo zezek slavo zezek slavo zezek and david harwitz horror david harwitz green jenny that's pretty much the argument of hobo's uh leviathan hob's leviathan i don't know that one i don't know what that refers to and hello green jenny how are you doing good discussion good discussion uh interesting some things that came up which is any criticism that came up and uh zezek totally lost it when the guy says oh blame the jews the horrible says i'm just like jesus that's the argument that that's crazy oh green jenny uh the star star i'm assuming you're trying to provide a link only me and the mods can link things up just because we've had trolls in the past that they're trying to do fishing scams so we prevented people from linking providing links but you're welcome to go to our discord and provide links this is our no that's okay uh this is our discord page so you can definitely share information there if you'd like um okay oh yeah and that was regarding hob's leviathan i've heard it's ringing about but i can't place it uh metadragons the left is a religious institution this comment i will not sue for yeah i know i'm just laughing hilarious as if as if like i don't know it's crazy frankie sees chicho did you see the mess at kabul airport for yeah for sure saigon moment indeed we've linked up the articles and some pictures on our discord page in the politics right saigon moment many of us some of us in 2001 when they decided to go into afghanistan already officially stated that they were going to go into afghanistan we knew the saigon moment was coming we just didn't know how long it was going to take i'm surprised it took 20 years right well once once we found out what the cost was they they pumped in six i think the number was six trillion dollars of us taxpayer money six trillion dollars of us taxes have been and will be when all said and done spent on the occupation of afghanistan now i'm pretty sure americans would have liked to do something different with that six trillion dollars so the reason it took 20 years for the saigon moment to come was because they dropped six trillion dollars of us taxes there right infosphere hobs was an economist and philosopher from the colonial era i believe ah that's what it was okay okay okay see with chicho thank you for that uh chicho this is what plagues america still though that the right feels that the left is deceitful and useless and the liberals will turn a blind eye to the crimes of democrats indeed and the and the left thinks that all the conservatives are a religious psychopath which they're not right honestly i just identify as some sort of radical left individual to distinguish from liberals for me i i identify as a human being i i don't identify as left or right or any spectrum that the propagandist wants to put people in into the the little box right if it whenever people ask me are you left or right i go i don't i don't even understand what the question means like you know left and right of what right frankie sees yeah didn't think it would take 20 years all of that to stop terrorism wow there was a there was a point it was they were trying to go under to free the women just a bullshit they feed people our emotes i think we had picked good emotes man no name boy for when he said obama was trained by godness i literally imagined obama during push-ups and the gulag obama was was a right wing fanatic mass murdering piece of shit left what left just because someone says they're left doesn't mean they're left it reminds me of mars attacks the movie with the the the funny movie right the martians were came down to earth and the translator was saying we come in peace and they're blowing everybody up it doesn't mean they come in peace when they're killing people it doesn't mean someone's left when they're right like it doesn't make sense hilarious shoutouts bush uh on the carrier with the mission accomplished banner yeah unbelievable man unbelievable right imagine if you told them that in 2001 are you willing to drop six trillion on this war that's the kicker most people then get it we i don't know i knew it was going to cost a ton of money it was going to take years and when it was it was said and done the united states was going to collapse it was obvious afghanistan is the empire killer and it just destroyed the american empire sharyl hundred percent and now we're in the next chapter i just wish i knew the book title uh which book title oh the book title oh the book title sharyl i don't know i don't know what the title of this book is going to be but what a ride what a ride maybe that's what the title is going to be right oh my god six trillion for better government maybe i don't know brother six trillion dollars meanwhile what a oregon governor just said they're people graduating high school will not be mandated will not will not have to be able to read and write or do mathematics you know why that's because they spent six trillion dollars killing people in afghanistan and occupying that unbelievable man manager i guess in a couple of words could you describe the backbone of what the saigon moment is the saigon moment is when in 1975 when the united states was the decision was made and they were pulling out all their troops and there was a whole bunch of vietnamese collaborators that had helped the united states wage war on vietnam right they were from the what do you call it not the communist part of vietnam but the other part of vietnam that france the united states took over after france said they were going to go united states said we will take over right so the saigon moment is the day when the vietnamese the communists were coming into saigon right exactly what's going on right now the taliban is coming into Kabul right full force they're coming in man we're we're it's a flood right meanwhile american thought this was going to be a slow maneuver right so they weren't really prepared with how fast things were rolling so there's helicopters from um what do you call it um aircraft carriers flying into the american embassy in saigon to airlift people out of saigon right the americans all of them right and there was a whole bunch of collaborators that had surrounded the american embassy and they were all trying to get in and trying to hop into a helicopter to escape to the united states before the northern vietnam took over because they were going to kill anybody that collaborated with the americans right because they helped kill vietnamese right they helped an occupying force kill vietnamese right or wrong i don't i don't care which side of the branch you lay on they collaborated with an occupying force to kill their own people they were collaborators collaborators when something like this happens their heads are on the chopping block and there's going to be a lot of bloodshed in afghanistan because of this right that's the saigon moment the saigon moment is there's a picture of a helicopter landing american embassy in saigon on the roof of the american embassy in saigon to airlift people out right there's a picture of american helicopter landing in the courtyard it's not landing on the roof of the embassy in kabul but landing in the courtyard american embassy or the airport i think it's american embassy to airlift people out of afghanistan in this situation there aren't going to be as many afghanis allowed to escape their their fate as there were vietnamese that were allowed to escape okay that's the saigon moment that's the saigon moment what do you make of well doran's doran civilization book series i don't know it uh dada jo chicho it feels like everyone has a different idea of what it means to be left or right yeah agreed agreed franky sleepy waves chicho how long has wikileaks been around wikileaks uh came online first i believe in 2008 2009 uh 2008 i believe sharyl all order an advanced copy uh huh dada do you think trump makes a comeback uh possibly kitetsu the title of the stream is part one oh i forgot to change the title crap thank you very much for that it should be part two i changed the title part two when i announced it but i forgot to change it in the description thank you very much for that i'll change it once the stream is over 29th april 1975 saigon moment organ keeps going downhill yep down the toilet it goes down the toilet it goes and for a period it was pretty expensive to live in portland people were raving about portland great city to live in and then we'll see where that ends up right spectrum shot yeah there's a reason why over half of the state of oregon is trying to join idol yeah yeah green jenny and now vietnam is one of our trade partners and an ally against china in in the religious uh regional hegemon vietnam history is quirky history is quirky indeed but i wouldn't call vietnam an ally of the united states against china vietnam wants to be an independent country doing whatever they want without outside influence that was the goal of vietnam from day one when they resisted the occupation uh european colonial power first in the united states vietnam does not want to be controlled by anyone vietnam wants to decide its own destiny just like any people's in this world right so uh that's the way it is and just imagine camila heros went back to vietnam went to vietnam last week or a couple of weeks ago and announced to the vietnamese america is back this is the the the intelligence level of the american administration to fly into vietnam on a diplomatic mission and say america is back america's back you sons of bitches what are you talking about how about a little respect right like vietnam like america hasn't paid retribution for the agent orange that they dumped all over there or anything like this right so it is what it is right men and dragons thank you so much i've been trying to discern what the relationship has been for days now and that clarified something for me thank you for for the date alligot awesome and that's regarding the saigon moment our pleasure uh men and dragons and thank you alligot for date as well right if you like dorant you'll love uh tobni toy toin b toin b hi chi chou hi ronnie how are you doing uh joe uh it was a launch on fourth uh october 2006 awesome thank you very much joe so 2006 is when wikileaks came online i started blogging in 2005 very cool i uploaded my first video in 2007 i believe right ronnie i'm in new york and it's so ridiculous how expensive houses are now rent prices in new york are dropping new york's gonna be gutted man new york's you know i hate to say this about your city brother but new york's turning into a shithole right new money is leaving new york up the yin yang people are going to be taxed up the yin yang uh new york bringing in a vaccine a short passport businesses closing new york is going back to the age of the 70s most likely with crime going through the roof right which would be okay it was great for artists and stuff but unfortunately it's not going to be going in down that direction it's going to be more a police city police state right and experimented uh gulag real not a gulag but a prison system right king canna life it's a mental here in ontario as well even in uh super small towns yeah crazy king canna life it's pure fascism what's being rolled out i don't like it uh and it's money laundering that's taking place wall street is buying up tons of property uh new york house prices will will drop that's my guess big big apartment price prices mc mike never go full lim limitar look in your way soy four yeah funny no problem dates dates are my thing oligot rani it's affecting where i want to work because i want to buy a decent looking house that's not one million dollars usd uh rani uh maybe just rent for a bit and see where prices go right uh mind you house prices are up because of wall street because of the trillions of dollars that have given been given to wall street in the last year right they've given it to wall street to fund managers to to the wealthy to the banks to buy property and turn american citizens into serfs there are ways out of this but it will be costly green jenny vietnam wanting to be independent is exactly why they're valuable to the us against china yeah and china can play them against uh us as well right it's there are there are bullies right now trying to control other countries and other economies and the smart ones the countries that are governed properly the people are aware are telling both the bullies or all the bullies to go f themselves right oh we're up to almost two hours gang i'm a lot of chat i'm scrolling down gang uh see who is what are your thoughts on the tell about i don't really i they're religious uh i wouldn't want to live under them that's crazy talk right and what is people's right to live under whatever they want right it's not my my place to tell people across the world uh what system they should function on it's my place to decide what i want to function under my country where i live no no name boy chicho do you have more stream scheduled yeah we've got two tomorrow i'm uh from portugal and then following your work on youtube for a while now and this was the first live stream i watched uh watched the view on twitch yeah for sure and thank you for coming on twitch to watch the live stream thank you for following the work on censor tube youtube we do have two streams tomorrow uh same time that the one started today and two four hours earlier so tomorrow we got two more juliena sanchez we're gonna look we're gonna watch two more episodes from juliena sanchez the world tomorrow one starting at 10 a.m my time and you guys are about eight hours ahead of me okay so that would put you at 6 p.m and then the next one is going to be 2 p.m my time pacific west coast canada which would put it at 10 p.m your time i believe okay very little free aside do boom boom boom definitely tweaking 100 percent going most 100 percent i missed it sleep away chicho this is a little off topic but do you think that in today's economy and social media world we are breeding narcissistic people um we're breeding all types of people and some of these things are just 15 minutes of effect they're blips they're going to change i think we're we're breeding a lot of people that are becoming aware of the current state of affairs in regards to politics and economics and that's a good thing and education and everything and that's a good thing all right green jenny sleepy waves that was the consensus about people in 1920s radio newspaper novel etc culture of narcissism yeah really is that what it was a green jenny you still spelled it wrong boom chiral well friend it's actually spelled motherfuckers chiral loving chiral steps and clears it all out gang let's call the stream fantastic couple of streams today we're going to do two more tomorrow if you're around we'll be glad to have you gang if you want to know what this work is about i am on patreon patreon.com forward slash chicho chy cho if you want to support this work if you want to follow this work 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