 No worries. So we are recording. Okay, great. Thanks. Welcome. Are there any members of the audience out there just to see? Yes, there are quite a few today, it looks like. Okay, good. So let's go ahead and get started. I don't have the slide that that also usually shows so I'm not going to show it this week, and we'll just jump right into review of the minutes. So has everyone reviewed the minutes and would someone like to move to accept them or suggest changes. We can show them if anyone wants us to show them. I wasn't here last week so I will be abstaining from this. I'll move to accept them. Okay. Oh who's taking notes this week. I haven't done it in a while so I can do it. Thanks Laura. So Don just move I'll give you a moment to get set up let us know when you're ready. So don move to accept the minutes is there except is there a second. I'll second that. Okay. And by voice vote in no particular order. Allison. Yes. Goldner. The stain. Roof. Yes. Breger. Yes. Drawer. Yeah. D. I'm staying. It's a majority of the quorum present. I think we're good. I always have to say that out loud. Sorry. I was going to say that. Good. Okay, so next up is public comment. If members of the public have questions, raise your hand. Questions or comments. Okay, we have four members of the public and no one is raising their hand at this point. Okay, so seeing none. Let's go ahead and move on to updates. So Stella, I think you're on first transportation. Yeah. I mean, contact with tack. So I'm going to go to their meeting on the 27th. And chat about the carp and stuff. And kind of talk about collaboration and whatnot. So if anybody has things that you want me to talk about, or what have you thoughts, feel free to send them to me. And then green energy consumers is still coming to chat. That's pretty much the update. And that's, I forget what date it is. It's in my calendar somewhere, but I don't roll. 26. Yeah. Next meeting before actually. Yeah. That's our next meeting at five o'clock. They're planning on chat talking at 530. Okay. Because I think I have flyer that you did. Let me make sure that flyer. That flyer says five. Yeah. So I thought. Okay. I corrected a version that I thought I sent that said 530, but let me. Yeah, I think mine said five, but I will, I will change it. When you said, when you sent the three flyers out together, that one said five. Right. And then there was another one I thought maybe I had corrected it on my own. Oh, you know what? I think I sent it to Stella, but I don't know that I sent it out to the group. I just sent it to all of us then and that would be easy. Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted Stella to take a look at it first. All right, I will do that and I'm making a note. Anything else. No, I think that's it. I have a question. When you talk to the tack. To what extent are they concerned with, I know. With bicycle access around this town. Do they spend time on that? Do they. Bike access. Yeah. They have this whole great, really great plan. The bike and pedestrian plan that they put out that it sounds like isn't fully, fully finished. There's some mapping like last mapping and stuff that needs to be done. But yes, the short answer is yes. They taking input on that plan. Is it posted anywhere? Yeah, it's posted. It's posted. I could. Right. There's no chat in this. We can send it around. I can send it to everyone. Yeah. That would be great because I would love to see what's there and comment on it myself. It's really fantastic. It's a great plan. It would be good to not feel like I'm going to die every time I go out on Pellum Road on my bike. A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For those of us in Echo Hill. We're a little isolated from by getting out to the bikes. I use a big pool noodle out into traffic. I go on Pellum Road. Oh, that was you. I saw you the other day. That's a great idea. Only way to keep people from trying to kill me. I've been side-swipe too many times. They can side-swipe the noodle. It doesn't hurt. All right. Anyway, onward. So then there's a review and vote. Is there a review? Okay. Oh, sorry. Heat pump thing is already done with that. Stella. I think so. Okay. Heat pump panel. So real brief update there. I did finally get a hold of. Scott Ternac just today. Finally. It's quite a, quite a saga. I tried emailing him the email bounced. cooling. I did finally manage to get through. He's very happy to come and join us on May 10th. I still don't have a good way to reach him. He says my email, he's going to try to make my emails not bounce anymore. He has a great way to reach him because he's installing our geothermal system and connect with them all the time. That changeover is happening next week. The whole switchover from our propane system is taking place next week. We're in regular communication with Scott and with Ben Christopher who's actually the project manager for our project at Western Mass. Yeah, it's interesting. I also used Western Mass. I think most of us ended up with them, but I didn't ever talk to Scott through that. It was Lauren Harris and Mike Somebody and I forget who else, a couple of the people. All right, so good. If I need help contacting him again, Don, if you have a number to reach him at that cell number even, he says the cell doesn't- I'll forward it to you. If I don't, I'm sure my wife does. Okay, all right. But anyway, so that's in place. So who among us is going to volunteer to answer questions? Is it all of us? Don, you'll do the geothermal. Yep. And Steve, what sort of system? Did you have a system installed recently? I have a heat pump water heater that I'd be happy to talk about, but not heat pump space heating or cooling. That's fine. What else do we got, Wayne? Yeah, I have air source heat pumps. I have one system also that's internet connected so I can control them remotely, which is a nice feature. Yep. So is this air source mini splits? Mini splits, yeah. Yeah. Laura? Yeah, I have too many splits in an air source house system. So I don't know how much overlap there's. I don't know if we all need to be there, but happy to. Remind me, your air source has some sort of fuel backup, oil or gas backup or no? Electric backup. Yes. It's different from mine. Mine still burns fossil fuel for backup, just because I have gas and it's still way too expensive if I'm going to, it's not economical for me to do it. So I didn't quite go all the way, but I'm set up to go all the way when the price changes. So who else to believe out. I can just throw a wood pellet stove in the mix. Oh, yeah. I also have a wood stove, wood pellet stove. And Stella? Yeah, we have, we switched to mini splits and I don't heat pump water heater, but I can't talk about it because it was all my partner doing logistics. But I can say that they work and we have like just a fireplace for backup. Okay, so I just want to get all this down. Okay, cool. So I think that's going to be great. Scott mentioned that he would like to give a little overview of heat pumps. So I told him, you know, we were trying to do mostly question and answers. I have a feeling though he's still going to end up putting together something that's probably 20 minutes. So maybe we can all just, you know, introduce ourselves in a minute or two and say what system we put in and then invite people to contact us whenever, I mean, you know, through eCAC or through Stephanie or if they have more questions that didn't get answered. And I think the key thing here is going to be to advertise this early so we can start advertising it right away. Okay. And I think that's all I got. I mean, it's going to be pretty informal. It's going to be Scott, I think, giving us a little overview of, I think what we'll do is introduce each of us and then introduce Scott, let him talk for 20 minutes and then take Q&A. Sound right? Okay, cool. All right. So the next thing is a letter to new DPU commissioners, but that's Andra. And so what do we do with that? You skip it. You put it off for another meeting. I wasn't exactly sure when and I'm just kind of keeping it as a placeholder. So you can just move that to another the next meeting, but I don't know that she'll even be ready for the next meeting. Yeah. So I do have a question about that. I had sent Andra after our meeting like a month ago, we had decided we wanted to write a letter to about the Springfield pipeline. And I see from the notes last time that that sort of expanded, maybe expanded, maybe it's a different effort into a general note from town council supporting or not supporting the expansion of pipelines anywhere of gas distribution lines anywhere. I had done some research to put together a little letter sent a draft to Andra because I wasn't sure who we were addressing and then never heard back from her, I think, because she's been busy with her, you know, with everything in her life. So it sort of got put off. Is it still worth pursuing that letter as well? And I think the intended audience for that was for the town council to write to the to support the efforts of the groups in Springfield who are opposing the pipeline, the distribution line that's going in, but that's proposed to go in. So is that sound like something we still want to do or should I talk about that later and member updates or is it related to this DPU? The DPU commissioners is different, completely different, I think, right? There was a letter that Vasu sent a few meetings back and now I don't remember. I'd have to pull it up. My memory, if my memory certainly correctly, Andra's main objective on the DPU letter was more about municipal aggregation and trying to smooth out that process a bit. Stephanie probably knows more about that. Yes, that's true. And they were they were two separate efforts, though. There was another letter that you were discussing town council to take a stand. And I'm pretty sure that that was the letter that Vasu had maybe drafted, but I can't recall it. It's a few meetings back and I'd have to pull it up and take a look. So. Okay, I somehow, I probably because I missed a meeting, I think maybe that this would have been several meetings ago. I'm confused because I would have been at that meeting. I don't remember it. All right, well, let's let's put that on the agenda for next time. Then the Vasu's, if we can find that meeting that that letter that takes a stand on pipelines, I'll also bring a draft of the one I've been working on specific to the Springfield pipeline with some facts and figures thrown in that I that I looked up short and to the point, but I believe it go over your draft at the last meeting. Andra put a draft up on the tree and we talked through it and gave her feedback. I never got any any feedback on that. That's interesting. So, so yeah. But it was just last week because we just met last week, right? Or maybe. Yeah, you just met last week. I was at the the BEA meeting. No, I was at last week was Passover. Oh no, last so we did not meet last week. Okay. Anyway, we did look at a letter and we provided some feedback. So it's any Andra's hand. So I'll just note in the minutes that you'll connect with Andra and we'll bring it up at the next meeting. Okay. And for clarification, that meeting was the adoption of specialized building code. That's what the letter to from Vasu to the town council was. Oh yeah, that was a different one. Okay, so that was a different one. So also letters. There was a boss regarding that one. I remember special adoption of specialized code. We really should do Boston is now done it, you know, Boston has done it. We all should be doing it. And then there'll also be a letter on the pipeline. I think it's a little later than we wanted to be with that one. But so be it. And if Andra does not connect back with me because she's recovering, I'll just bring something with me. And then there was also last time the discussion of a letter to take a general stand on pipeline. So where did that one come from? General stand was that from Andra last time? I think that was your letter. That was my letter. Okay, all right. And also, okay, expand to take it. Good. Good, good, good. So letters for next time three. What the third? What's the third one again? I thought that's the letter to the DPU commissioners for regarding municipal aggregation and smoothing out that process. A letter regarding the adoption of specialized code to the town council and letter regarding pipeline expansions. And particularly the Springfield expansion. And it's a little unclear to me, you know, so the DPU one is going to the commissioners from us or from the town? Is it a draft that goes to the town to go to the commissioners? Or is the intent for us just to send it? Well, I think if it's going to the DPU commissioners, I think it would be from the town, not just the committee. Okay, town. And the same thing with the adoption of, well, specialized code is a recommendation. This is a recommendation. Right. Correct. And the pipeline thing is sort of twofold. It's to get the town to support all the other entities that are opposing the pipeline in Springfield and oppose pipelines generally as a change of policy. Sort of, I'm a little worried because it's two things. It's a change of town policy opposing any new pipelines or any access, you know, any change, I would think, in the status of any embargo against gas and Amherst. So no new gas hookups anywhere. I don't think that was part of the letter we looked at last time. It wasn't. Okay, good. So it was just this. So it was probably just the pipeline letter that I had drafted. Okay. So I will just do that. So that letter could also be a editorial. We could also just do another one of these editorials from ECAC, right? So I think what I'll do is I'll probably come with two different letters, one for the town council, one to use as an editorial, as an op-ed opinion piece, a letter to the editor. Does that make sense? Anything else on letters? This item, this agenda item, sort of became letters generally. Okay, then onward to the sustainability festival moving right along today. So I think this is straightforward. Jesse has gone out and bought a 10 by 10 tent, which I will get from him probably the Friday before some couple of day or two before the event. I'm going to bring a couple of tables. I think, Steve, is that you who said you had someone had a thing to hold flyers? Or flyer? I have an easel that will hold one of those large pads of paper. Oh, you have that now. Okay. You do have one. I can get it from Hampshire and bring it Saturday. I think Duane was the one who said he had those clear flyers. Yeah, I had four of them, the clear things that would hold something and prop them up so that we don't have to hand them out, but they just look at them and has a QR code and so forth. What's my best way to get that to you? I figure I'm going to just spend some time Thursday or Friday before the event going around town. Okay. Yeah, I can bring them home and walk them over to you. That works too. Where are you on campus Duane? A building you've never heard of agricultural engineering building. Are you going to the energy networking event next week? In the morning. Yeah. I'll be there. We could bring them there too. Okay. I'll put that in my notes. If we don't connect there, then it will be I'll pick them up whenever. I'll figure that out next week. One week at a time. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Good. I think Steve has the other easel and pad and I have tables. Okay. So far I have the EV flyer which needs a change in the time. I put together a couple of flyers, one of which it occurred to me that the thing that left out last time we talked about flyers was a flyer that connects people to sustainable sustainability, emmer sustainability website or whatever it's called. The one whose name I don't like, but whatever it's called, I put it on the flyer and yeah. It's kind of a lot of it's a great website and it has a lot of information on it. So I thought we really want to connect people to that. We really want to connect people to the ECAC website and to our own events. So I put a couple of flyers in the packet. Have you guys had a look at them? Anyone have any comments? Should I show them or just go with it? Go ahead Steve. I was looking at those. I thought they looked good. I even checked out the QR code and it seems to work. I wasn't sure if it worked with the dinosaur there in the middle. That's how they happened. I had to figure out how to do that. The dinosaur just sort of happened. I don't know how that happened. We might have covered it, but the time, where do I happen to see it? Yeah, on the one that's the ECAC flyer at the bottom there, Stephanie, it says, when's the April 26th at 5 p.m. Electric Vehicles 101. I think that's the one that needed to be updated to 530. Yeah, that's all we're going to, you got that. There actually is a corrected version and I sent it to Stella. I thought I put it in your packet, but I think because Lori sent those, I didn't look to see which version she had sent. It's in two places. I copied the time from the first EV flyer that I got, which was 5 o'clock, so I have an EV flyer that's probably also wrong. Let me double check. I'm just going to double check because I'm pretty sure that I must have forwarded it to Brianna, our communications person, which might make it a little more complicated. If it's really everywhere, we might want to see if they can do 5 instead of 530. I just changed it on, if it's already out there, yeah. Well, let me know because I just changed it on the ECAC flyer and I also put in the time for the Wednesday, May 10th heat panel thing, so I put that in as well. I had TBA I think on the original one. Now it's actually in there. It's the only change I made. If it's okay with us, my sense is they're super flexible and would probably rather come earlier than later. I'll double check on that as soon as this meeting is over. Okay. I'll put stars here and save check. All right. Okay, things that I still need. I just have a quick question only because I'm trying to keep in mind with you, Stephanie, keep saying to us and in the ECAC flyer, it says what we do and it says we make recommendations to the town council and I thought you told us that we make recommendations to the town manager. Might be one of the things I changed. I'll have to double check on that, but thanks for catching that. Town council. Okay, so you're going to send me an edited, did I send you a PDF or did I send you a word version of that, Stephanie? I can't remember and I just let me see. I don't know what I sent out. I think you sent a PDF. Okay, I can send you a word version so that you can edit it. I didn't realize that there was, I thought I looked that up, but I thought I pulled that off of a website somewhere that recommendations to the town council phrase, but I might have screwed up. So, do you know if it's manager or council? Oh, it should be town manager. You were appointed by the town manager. You're a town manager committee, not a town council committee. Okay, got you. Okay, so I just changed town council to town manager on that anyway, just in case there's a something happens. I changed it and I will also make a note to send you send Stephanie word versions. Any other comments on flyers? Thanks for catching that on. I still need that pacifier formatted. Did anyone ever format that? We've kind of held off on that until and I'm happy to do this in the updates. Stephanie can chime in since she's the one who actually got the return email from mass development, but we wanted to make sure that whatever we put on a flyer was consistent with what mass development, how they're implementing this, this program. And they're still in the process of figuring out in light of the change in the program, how they're going to implement that. Is that fair to say Stephanie? Yeah, they're doing program updates. And so they're not actually holding any events right now until all of that change in regulations has been ironed out. So we shouldn't be sending materials out about the program right now because things are changing. So we might just want to hold off a bit. It may be in May. It's not really ridiculously crazy out. It might be, you know, the end of May, maybe June. Okay, but it won't be for the sustainability festival. The only other flyers I was going to have was a really simple one that says read the carp here and then maybe decarbonize your home for renters, decarbonize your home for, if I can, that would probably be, I'm not sure how to do that without it being an actual flyer for renters and for homeowners, how to decarbonize your home. Although really the sustaining Amherst website has some really good stuff on it. So and good links. So that might be enough. Thank you. Yeah. And then a mass save QR code somewhere. That'll probably just say mass save and be a big QR code on some on top of one of the one of the easels. And then I think that's it. Now the other problem we have is manning this thing. So I wanted to go over the that quickly. Let me find it. ECAG schedule. So Don, are you going to be there at eight and nine? I plan to be, if you needed, I can be really flexible. So you tell me where you need me and I'll come because my wife is signed up for the whole day for mothers out front. So, I can be flexible. So, okay. So then where I might need you instead, it looks like we're thin with a bunch of people who can't make it for various reasons, right? So it's just going to be one of us there all day. So I can do the morning if you want. The time that I'm not sure of and Jesse's not here is three and four. So what I have is right now I have, I can stay from eight till to noon. Steve takes over at noon and one. That's still okay. Jesse might be available at three and four, but he didn't make a commitment. So if Jesse's not available at three and four, Don, I think I'll stick you in there. That's fine. I meant it when I said I am at your disposal. Okay. Then I'm just going to put you in there, but I might change you back to the morning because I could probably use some help setting up and I would love to come at nine and not eight if possible. Believe me, I'm up in plenty of time. So eight, whatever works, Laurie, whatever works. I'm at eight and at four. That would work too. I'm just wandering away all day. So Stephanie, what I'll do is I'll put the final schedule together after I hear from Jesse, and then if you would just distribute it to everyone to make sure we're all on the same page and we all show up at the right time. I think that piece you could actually do, Laurie. I mean, you're just sending the schedule out. You can just send that out. That's not, there's nothing you're deliberating over. Okay, cool. I can do that. Great. Any other suggestions or thoughts for the sustainability festival? Laurie, just, I don't know if we have enough plastic holders, but just, or maybe it just go up on the somewhere else, but just a flyer on the UMass Energy Transition Symposium. And for this group, we're going to have, I guess, penalty speakers that are, that might interest the community. We're going to outreach us to the community as well. We have the joint chairs of the Telecommunication Energy and Utility Commission Committee. Jeff Roy, I think it is, and Barrett, I believe it is, Senator, as well as Mindy Dom and Joe Comerford are speaking and our Chancellor, Suba Swamy, will be plenaries and then a lot of posters from undergraduate and graduate students. So I'll send around the flyer on that because a new flyer has just been created to Stephanie and she can circulate that to the group if she's so willing. I think there's additional effort to reach out to the five colleges, Steve, but also we'd like to draw folks from the community as well. So if there's room for it on our table at the sustainability festival, I'd love to offer that as well. Yeah, I suspect that some of the flyers are going to end up under rocks. So I don't mind putting it under rocks. Yeah, I'm not going to bring a stack of them. I don't want a rock. Yeah, just one of them under something. I can see if I have something to hold stuff like that too. I might have something around. We'll get as many as we can and hold it. I'm happy to have a, I can always tape it to the table too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that works. So if you send that, I'll make sure I have a copy there. Maybe I'll give you that when I give you the plastic things. Yeah, great. And it'll probably, I suspect it will show up in my email box at some point. I got the first, I got the email, but it didn't see a flyer attached to it. Yeah, and there'll be a new flyer that has its speakers on it now. Yeah. And Lori, thank you for doing that one for the, the flyer for the sustaining Amherst page. I'm probably actually going to print it out and have it at the information table too, where I'll be. Good, good, good. Yeah. So thank you. No problem. All right, I think we're on staff updates. Right now it's all sustainability festival all the time, pretty much. So yeah, like I said, it's going to be a smaller event than we've had the past. Well, we didn't have anything the last couple of years, but prior to that we had over a hundred vendors. And at this point, we're actually whittled down to about 35 or so. That does not include performer performers or special displays, but I think it's okay because we also didn't know until a month ago that we're sharing the space with the farmer's market. So it's going to, you know, it's going to change the layout quite a bit. So I'm about to work on that next. You know, and I always, you know, this is the time where I get people to wrap out and people want to add on. So this is where it gets a little crazy because there's sort of all this configuring and trying to place people and then people change things up. So that's kind of what I'm dealing with right now. And other than that, I would say things with the community choice aggregation continue to move forward. We're in communication with the consultant about we have to create websites. Each community has to have their own website that has information about the aggregation. It will link to the consultant's site, but it has to have their very specific documents that the DPU wants links to on everybody's website. So each community has to create that and it has to exist in perpetuity. So, and it can't be embedded in, you know, deep into the town's website. It has to be very prominently featured or easy to access. So we're sort of figuring those pieces out and also the materials that we'll be going out to begin the community outreach stage of this effort. So that's all happening fairly soon, I would say. I think our goal is to sort of launch that in May, but we just have to make sure that everything, all of these things, these pieces that we're doing, the materials and the websites and all that are up and ready to go when we start that outreach. So yeah, it's crazy. It's one of those, you know, sometimes when I work on projects that feel like they're just never going to happen. You know, this is one of those, it's just been quite a while in coming. So it's pretty exciting to get to this point. So yeah, so that's very exciting. And then as I said, I've, you know, we've got a contract now with KLA associates for our community dashboard. I haven't heard from them yet about sort of when we're going to begin that process, but that's moving forward. We are submitting an MVP grant for resiliency to, and you know, I don't know whether we'll get this grant, but it's to do some work over at Puffers Pond, which is our one community cooling location. It's the only really large body of water. It's free to community members. It's on public transportation routes. So there's a lot of reasons why this is a really valuable resource, especially right now as we get more and more higher degree temperature days during the summer, we really need to have somewhere for community members to seek release. So relief, I'm sorry. So we're doing quite a bit to try to improve that location. And the pond needs dredging. The dam needs shoring up. There's, you know, trail work that needs to be done sort of adjacent to it to prevent erosion. So there's quite a few things to sort of make that and enhance that, you know, a place for the public to utilize. So that's that effort is moving forward with a consultant who's going to assist us with that application process. Let's see what else has his hand up. Is there a question? Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I didn't want to get you off track, but comment on Puffers pond. You're mentioning Puffers jogged a memory of a conversation I had a couple of weeks ago with a friend, a colleague, a friend who, and I thought I told him I'd bring it forward to the committee here. He lives adjacent to Puffers and has always been wondering about tapping into all that potential energy or kinetic energy, I guess, of the water spilling over the dam there. And now that you're talking about some, you know, some work going on at Puffers, I said I'd bring it up. My sense is that at the end of the day, it's not a huge amount of power, but it's some. And but also there may be just some some reasons why it's not feasible. But I'm wondering if if that's ever been looked at, or whether and what Dave's Yes, we will we have we have explored the idea about hydropower. This is certainly not the first time we've heard this suggestion. It does not generate enough, you know, enough, it wouldn't be enough power. And also, I think there were some safety issues in terms of putting in some kind of a turbine or something would potentially be a problem there at that location. So I think there were reasons why I don't have all of them. This is just my recollection, because it has come up before. And those were my that's what I recall from the last time we we discussed it. And there may be additional reasons, but I don't can't think of them off the top of my head beyond beyond those. And then the other things that I wanted to say again, I think I told you we secured the two fellows, I think I told you that at the last meeting. So they're starting. They'll be starting in June, or really the end of May. So that's also really exciting to have those efforts moving forward to cool. And then transportation, let's see. The electric fleet. Transition effort that has been really slow in part again, and I think I told you this before, it's sort of like what Steve was going through with the, you know, the rental housing stock in town, trying just trying to get the data that we need in a format that we need has been a bit challenging, because we have two separate systems that where our vehicles fuel at. And then there are different systems. And so for some reason, the way they sort of produce the data is a little different too. And so we're just not able to sort of match up exact vehicles with fuel usage. And that's, of course, the crux of what we need right now. So we're still sort of struggling with making that piece come together. So and also, you know, because it may mean that people have to program how some of the information is in the system right now, and how it delivers the information back to us. So again, one of these things that always sounds like, Oh, just get the data. It's not always that simple. Laura. Yeah, so that raises a question I have about the dashboard and how might that process potentially help us with some of this data collection in the future? Like, can it be built into that process that we develop a better data collection process? Or is this, is that process going to run into the same challenges? I don't know the dashboard. I think we haven't sort of fully flushed out how that will work just yet. I mean, we've had some very initial conversations. So I don't, I couldn't tell you at this point, it might be that the sort of down the road, it might initially it won't, but down the road, it might be able to sort of help with that process. Part of that is that we don't have, in order to get a contract with KLA, they were doing a special and the special would sort of enabled us to go with them without having to go out to bid. So, and we know that we know there are so many communities use their specific system. So we know kind of what they can do. So I think we just started trying to sort of figure out to get it initially just set up. And then, you know, it's the thing that once we get it set up, then we'll might be able to sort of expand on what it's doing and how it's doing it. So that's something that might, you know, that's a long winded way of saying that's something we hope to be able to do. But I don't think it's going to be set up that way initially. Anything else, Stephanie, and any other? Sorry, I was waiting for more questions. No, I mean, again, you know, there's a lot of things that are going on. You know, those are just the things I keep reporting out on. But, you know, there's a lot of other little sort of efforts underway too. So, but that's it for now. I'm busy. That's all I'm just busy. Can we do anything to help? You are. You already do. So thank you. And I'm sure you know, as we move along, oh, this is the heat pump program. It's on my radar. It's just that I literally right now I feel like I'm dealing with the first, you know, emergency that I have to get to. And right now that's the Sustainability Festival. And that's there's so many pieces to that I just really need to give that a lot of my attention other than the support I give you all in the Solar Baila Working Group right now. When that's passed. Sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say when that's passed, then I can definitely like the heat pump program and the community choice aggregation are the things that I'm really most like right now. That those are the next big things that I really have to sort of work on. Right. And considering you started off by saying it was all Sustainability Festival time, you then gave us about half a dozen other things going on. So that's that's quite enough. Thank you. Okay, eCAC member updates. Moving on. Go ahead, Dwayne. I mean, I'll just provide that the Solar Baila Working Group is continuing to meet and make progress. I will particularly provide a shout out for our meeting Friday. We do have as we have in the past sort of bring in some quote unquote expert and topic specific speakers to advise us and inform us about certain issues. We do have this Friday. Jonathan Thompson from the Harvard Forest that will be speaking informally. I think he may have a short presentation, but then mainly Q&A with regard to that we've been pulling together for him to give us some some science based information on forest and solar. He's obviously a has done a lot of work in forestry. He's also been involved with the state in their decarbonization plan has been working with them on on certain portions of that, particularly with regard to land use issues. That's at 1130 to 130. And Jonathan hoped to have him for about an hour at the beginning, or at least very close to the beginning of that timeframe. Nice. And I mean, that's an invitation for anybody who'd like to join us. That's on the town website under the Solar Baila Working Group or something like that. Yeah. Okay. If I can, I will try to be there just here. So I was just going to say that I did go to this, Jesse was there too, this building energy Boston conference, which was highly informative and often very amusing. There were two things in particular that might be of interest to this group. And they were the two keynote addresses, which were very good. The first one was Lisa Cunningham and a guy whose name doesn't come to me right away talking about the whole experience of the building electrification accelerator group and how they made change, how they got the recent specialized code in place and, you know, have slowly been changing the policy and legislation in, in Massachusetts. And it was a very entertaining story because they got so close so many times and then were rejected. At the last minute, it just fell apart and they came back again with something new and were rejected again and they came back again with something. And it was, it was, they thought, and they were, they were, one of them was talking about policy and the other was talking specifically about politics and it was talking about heat pumps and the underlying policies that they're trying to get in place. And it was a very funny back and forth between the two of them and it was a nice, you know, it cleared up a lot of things for me that BA had been trying to do that I didn't really understand why or where it came from. The other one was an interesting story on, you know, we started off when I first joined ECAC. I, I'm slowly learning about, you know, there's a need for electrification. There's also a need for, for conservation and insulation, right, insulating structures. But there was a real push at this building electrification meeting to skip the deep energy retrofits that how they, you know, really, really rebuilding a building and trying to get it all tight and passive doesn't pay for itself in the end. And combine that with the fact that I was staying with a friend in Boston who's in a very old building with a, with a dirt basement, right, that is impossible and extremely expensive to insulate. And yet is very tight, I think in part because it's massive. It has huge old, it has plaster everywhere and holds a lot of heat. So it's got a very long time constant, you know, if you heat the inside of it, it takes it forever to cool off. Whereas I have friends in Amherst and similarly old houses with no insulation and that don't have tons and tons of old plaster and art is tightly built. And they can't even put a geothermal system in because there's no way to insulate their home well enough that would ever heat it. So it's an interesting, it was an interesting talk about, you know, what is really required to electrify and, you know, what, what's the most, what's the biggest bang for the buck in terms of getting rid of fossil fuels. And I'll leave it at that. I just wanted to, there were a lot of really interesting and informative talks I'll probably go again next year. Anyway, I don't have anything else if there's any other updates. Also a lot of talk about solar storage and storage of heat rather than electricity and how that makes a lot more sense in many cases. It was a very good seminar on that. Different ways to do that. Okay, so items for the next agenda then if there's nothing else in the way of updates. I think we had a couple earlier and should probably do a sustainability fest. We have the three letters. We have the Andres, if Andres is back. Well, that was three letters included one. I think that was Andres, the thing we skipped today, right? Yes. So there are three letters. You have the presentation. There's a, oh right, next time is the presentation. So I don't think we need to worry too much about these others and maybe we can put them off. The other thing I was going to put on there was just a recap of the sustainability festival. Maybe that can wait another week. Also, I know that the report, the final report will be ready from GZA. So I know that Adrienne had sort of planned on doing a brief presentation, I think, for you. We hadn't determined if we should do just one presentation at a time and invite both the Solar By-law Working Group and the ECAC to hear it. It's really, at this point, you know, it'll be a final product because of the timeline and we need to get it done. So it'll just be, because basically it's just, you know, reporting on what was covered in the surveys and the outreach that was done. It's more just a sort of factual. There's nothing, there's not a lot that's going to be built off of that. It's more just reporting out of the information they gathered. Maybe we should just, so that will be done at the Solar By-law Working Group as well. It will, yes, it will also be at their meeting as well. So why don't we just either watch a recording or attend that meeting if possible because the next two meetings in a row, we have presentations. So they're going to be short working meetings. Yep. Does that make sense? Oh yeah, that's fine. I mean, that's good for us too because we're trying to sort of figure out how to best do that. Okay. I see Steve and Laura. Yeah, I think I'd prefer to have them present at one of our meetings and not just have us as visitors to a Solar By-law Working Group meeting. I think we will have enough significant questions that it would be worth finding a time to include it during one of our meetings. Sorry about that. We could alter the time. We can, you know, you could start at four instead of 430. If that works for people on the 26th actually would be the best. I don't know if that works for folks. We just need a form to start. On the 26th, I think I can probably do that and then get a little more time in that way. That would be okay with me. That works for me. On the 26th or yeah, yeah, that would be okay. Okay, and then we could have her at the beginning. Yeah, I was going to have a similar comment, mainly that because Friday lunchtime never worked for me. So, so thanks. Okay. I just need to confirm with her that that's the date that works. If not, we'll probably suggest the same thing for the May 10th meeting, which is the next one. So, I think we should try to keep the agenda short. So, we'll try to do, try to get, try to limit the discussion on the letters. And if we can't come to a quick consensus, we'll put them off another week. And then I think they're just the usual things, updates and updates and that sort of thing. Anything else? If not, I think we should open for public comments again. Okay, Martha. Sorry, I'm going to, Martha, I've unmuted you. You can go ahead. Thank you. Hello, it's Martha Hanner from just right there in Amherst. And I just had a couple of questions. Laurie, you're, the meeting that you went to sounded interesting. And so I was just wondering, is there anything on the web from the meeting, any kind of report or recordings or any way that people can access it? Yes, I think there are, for some of them, you might have to be a member of this organization of the bill, what's it called, N-E-S-E-A. I can try to find out and send something, if I send something to you, Stephanie, can you get it to Martha? Or how does that work? Absolutely. Or you could mention that at the Solar Baila Working Group, maybe Stephanie, if you get the information, you could just send it to us there. Yeah, a big shout out to Nessie, which is the Northeast Solar Energy, Northeast Sustainable Energy Association, serves the Northeast, headquartered in Greenfield. But they run the Building Energy Conference and they've been doing the Solar Now Building Energy Conferences since the 70s. I could also just send a link to the site. Yeah. Yeah. So I'll just, I'll just send the link to the site to everybody, both committees. Thanks, Stephanie. Okay. And then your meeting on May 10, when you have somebody going to be coming and talking about heat pumps, will that be open to the public? And would the public be able to ask questions? It sounds like a great opportunity to let people get educated. Yes, that was the whole, the whole point of that panel is we did a, we did a, we did have a heat pump presentation earlier that was all about heat pumps. But the idea here was more to let people ask questions, because I don't know about everybody else on the panel, but I get all sorts of questions from my neighbors about heat pumps. And I don't always know how to answer them. And some of them have questions about systems that I don't have in place, but others on the panel do. And then of course, there'll be somebody there who's actually an installer and an expert who will give a little, so there'll be a short little presentation, hopefully, and then a lot of time for questions. And I hope very specific questions, you know, ask us about your house and what would you need to give us some idea of what you have. And maybe Scott or one of us will, something will click and we'll say, well, maybe you should look into this, or maybe you should look into that, you know, hopefully it'll be a little more specific than we could do at the other, at the previous heat pump work seminar. All right, thank you. Please come. And if anybody else from the public has a comment or question, please electronically raise your hand. No other comments. Okay, in that case, I think we're up to the adjournment, right? Do we need to do anything else? Move to adjourn. If not, see you all give you, give you a, wow, 55 minutes back and see you all in two weeks. Sorry. Right. Sorry, I can't make it. Thanks. Yep. Bye. Take care.