 everybody today we're debating whether or not public schools are depraved and we are starting right now with infrared and labs opening statement taking the affirmative position want to let people know in terms of the topic this in particular is referring to at least two subtopics one such as controversial parts of sex ed programs that have been in the news as of late such as teaching kids about fisting or rimming as well as the controversial teacher from Canada pictured in the thumbnail and with that thank you very much lab and in front in particular infrared the floor is all yours um yeah so I saw that video of that that woman and I have to say she got fired I think she got fired for it I hope did she get fired no she oh my god yeah so you know I don't I don't really know what's gone into you know the common sense in this country but you know just from face value and that is obscene okay that is just not appropriate for children and I know there's gonna be a lot of ways to spin this and all okay hypothetically well I mean let's just take it at face value though right is that it is that the same for children in this country to be going to school and having you know these missiles in their face like that you know these these cannons that are obstructing and detracting from the learning environment I mean okay I'm and all jokes aside it's you know there's gotta be some level of okay this is confusing the youth and this is just plainly obscene I mean I you know this is the angle I'm coming at this from right it's an obscenity okay there's such a thing as something that's not technically illegal or like formally prohibited but from the perspective of common sense and basically like common morality like yeah this is obscene there's no other country in the world that would allow a teacher to look this way and present themselves in this way in front of children so you know I just I think it's self I'm gonna make an argument appealing to obscenity the norms basic norms our society has and by the way although there's an elite number of avant-garde leftists who will justify this the majority of Americans still consider this obscene so I think the real debate is should this be forced on the children of American families in the name of some abstractly contrived principles or should people's basic sense of obscenity be respected so that's what I have to say you got it okay great over to lab I think more so than talking about this woman or man whoever they are that did this maybe for a gag or maybe who knows why they did it who knows why anyone would do something like that it doesn't happen very often so I don't want to fear monger about it but obviously we should nip that in the bud right like they shouldn't have a job anymore but more so than that what's more important to me is talking about obviously sex education I'm pro comprehensive based sex ed but I'm definitely pro making sex ed more like how to prevent pregnancy and STD sort of thing rather than like a how to pleasure a partner or talking about things like rimming or getting into like specifics that's a conversation that you should be having with your parents or just figuring it out on your own as you experience life in your own sexuality and I don't I don't trust anyone to have a conversation with my kids besides me and I think that should be the standard you got it and with that we're gonna kick it over to the no side as well but want to say a couple of things first in particular if it's your first time here at modern a debate want to say welcome we're glad you're here no matter what walk of life you were from no matter how far politically left or right you name it we're thrilled to have you with us and as you know folks about a week ago we had a debate where the train pretty much went off that they didn't even go off the tracks the train exploded in flames we had a discussion in particular on trans issues and it basically turned into a giant debate between Alec Stein and Polly people you have asked for a more sincere dialogue on the topic and so tomorrow you asked we listened we were going to have Sean last and taftash April they're coming in for a very sincere discussion on whether or not it should be allowed for minors to transition so that's tomorrow night you don't want to miss it it's going to be a quality discussion it is going to be a very civil discourse we're excited about that hit that subscribe button if you haven't because we have many more debates and dialogue coming up just like that one with that thanks for much very much Ashley and radical coder for being with us the floor is all yours radical do you want to go ahead and introduce yourself sure so I'm radical coder and is opening statement sorry so yeah I think I think I actually agree with love a lot to what you were saying about like the reform of section sex education I agree that teachers shouldn't be teaching about rimming in class I don't know if they are I saw these like this pamphlets and I it's kind of hard to like determine what's going on there like in full context especially kind of someone like Christopher Rufo who is really like a major figurehead in doing other what I consider really deprave things around the country like banning CRT which has been successfully done seven states across the country and at least 13 more actually 16 more are trying to ban CRT CRT remember is a very complicated field of study but largely central is around the idea that race is not a valid biological category a very weird thing to make a massive wage war against frankly but in terms of sex that I agree we should have comprehensive sex ed focused on making sure that people when they do end up having sex they are doing so safe and they can avoid a pregnancy and they have contraceptives that are available to them and things like this so and in terms of this this teacher in Canada I don't I think initially the first I heard about it I heard people arguing oh she's not really trans she's a pervert I don't think she might not be real she might be trans in that she technically is identifying as a gender other than the one that she was assigned at birth which is like the definition of being trans if she meets that qualification I don't know if this person is actually doing like a hoax where they're trying to go as over the top as possible prove a point I think it is a difficult line when like what is the line of how big someone's boobs are allowed to be in class like my initial reaction was like if she wears this only during class that's weird and if it turns out that it was a hoax then that's actually what's going on and that's way fucking weirder and that especially by the standard that like the people the most of the people critiquing this are coming from so yeah mm all right I am Ashley aka smashly aka not your everyday Ashley I I also do kind of I unfortunately like for this panel like I'm also pretty middle ground when it comes to sex sex education in school I do agree that it should comprehensively center around safe sex I also again I wasn't able to find a lot of literature research actually backing up or proving or or or talking about whether or not they're they're actually teaching rim job rim jobs and fisting and things like that in classes I guess the point of view that I would take would be kind of with with the teacher in Canada again I wonder I don't know again because there's not a ton of it of literature information up on the internet about that we were talking about that earlier but I wonder almost if this isn't a statement to kind of provoke or start this conversation about transitioning identities and whether or not that's okay like part of me wonders if if she did this she not he if she did this kind of to spark that conversation and get and get people talking about it in which case I can kind of get on board with that because it is sparking a conversation right now especially in light like here in America you know back in March of this year DeSantis in Florida where I'm from passed the don't say gay bill you know I wonder if it's not directly correlated to that and and if so I'd be really interested to see if she ever came out and actually talked about that but yeah as far as as far as just doing something to to just gain attention or views or controversy I don't think that that necessarily belongs in the school system however however if this is to spark a conversation about transgender students transit transgender teachers and then sex education in general and whether or not we should include you know LGBTQ plus community in our sex education that I'm all for it you got it we can jump into open dialogue we might as well just to specifically dialogue on the person in namely Kayla Kayla Lamu let me know if I'm pronouncing the last name right right it sounds like some of you guys have read this teacher in particular we'll talk first about this teacher whether or not this would be inappropriate but would it we'll just even go like straight down the line would everybody say like no it's like it's not a problem just if you had to bite the bullet and do a yes or no I'm kind of curious where you'd all stand Ashley would you say like yeah no problem or I feel like if it distracts from the actual education of the children then it's not appropriate I don't I don't think anything should distract from their learning however I I do err on the side of it does spark the conversation that we're having now and I can get on board with that so I know that's kind of contradicting myself but Harry area got it radical coder I think that it and if it what if it is a hoax then this is very intentional I think it's like it's on it's done a line in a way that is like difficult because it seems like most of the arguments that might be made about it about this might also be made just for like any other trans teacher who could have like best breast implants or something like when I see a lot of people critiquing this a lot of what I hear are critiques about like how about it being a natural about like and about basically them being a trans person and it seems like if that's the if they fire this person and that becomes a precedent then I think that that we might see a lot of just like trans teachers catching strays here like who just don't deserve that and that's that's going to be a problem so we have to like really decide like what is the what is the line and I don't know that's a difficult question I don't think we need to ask that question I think this is like you know come I mean what is the line I mean you know why I don't even think this should be debated this other person saying oh it's going to spark a conversation what conversation do children need to be having about that absolutely obscene and insane display of you know just mad just insanity right the like the fake the like the boob cage that this person is wearing is just like so obscene that it's like uh I think that it's very different than like having boobs in your shirt as a woman and being a teacher and like it's the nipples are out like obviously I don't I think it you should be wearing a bra when you're a teacher right like I don't think that there's so much that went wrong here that it's like uh yeah it's ridiculous and I don't think that yeah I think that a lot of trans women teachers don't have a problem being appropriate even I don't think that you can speak on behalf of any trans people left I can I don't remember I don't I can't speak on behalf of them I can't speak on because let me tell you why because let me tell you why because even in law there's no there's very off there's very rare that there's going to be something called bright line rules you know bright line rules like okay if you cross this line it's over usually even in law people rely on common sense it's up to the judge's discretion it's based on you know basically use your common sense can that be abused of course it can be abused but if we're going to be a functional society we have to have a we have to have the bare minimum of having the same basic common sense when it comes to things like this and if we can't have that we can't even be part of the same society anymore and there needs to be successions or something because it seems like one half of the country can look at that and just unambiguously say hell no and then the other half of the country can look at that and say well I actually think we should the mathematical calculus of the radius of the t t's is not quite as um expansive as you know I mean I just like why is there a debate about this right if we can't wait also why can't cis people talk about trans people I want to give you can't talk about them but you can't talk about their points of view you can I can't say I can't I did it I can you literally said that I think that I think that there is I can do it because it's inductive no I I can't say that I said I said trans women are not overwhelmingly doing shit like that like that's not what you said we could replay it later okay well I would just say from the trans experience I want to give you a chance to respond Ashley because there were a number of points from both haws and lab in particular uh haws was going on for a while go ahead Ashley if you'd like a minute or two I have to clarify the what I took a fence with lab was that you said I don't think that most trans teachers or trans women that are teachers would blah blah blah that in my opinion is something you did last time I was on a debate with you where in my opinion you speak on I don't think that they would be predators I want to give I want to give a that is true that is like true that most trans women are not predators I want to give Ashley a full minute without interruption go ahead Ashley in my opinion that is you speaking on behalf of a subgroup of people that you are not a part of and I don't I don't agree with that and I don't think that we should do that now then if you want to speak on your opinion of whether or not this this that but I don't think that most trans people feel this way you can't go there and you can't say that and then to go on on the other points of view that were discussed I I think that it is very healthy that we have like he said the division of oh hell no or well let me think maybe it's the well let me think that that basically has has gotten civil rights movements to where we are today you have to have that point of view in the community absolutely 100% it is necessary so actually you're completely wrong about that Martin Luther King Jr actually appealed to natural law as the foundation for his reasoning of defending civil rights which meant that according to Martin Luther King he was actually appealing to not only you know something like divine or whatever but something intuitive within every each and every one of us that from a common sense perspective if we knock all the bullshit out of the way and all the convoluted racialistic prejudices deep down all of us see that it's common sense that black people should have equal rights as white people that was literally the form of reasoning that he appealed to and that he used as the legal justification for civil rights and finally you said something that we cannot speak on behalf of trans people's feelings I beg to differ because according to Emmanuel Kant's categorical imperative the ability for there to be morality at all in the first place entails the fact that yes we can all speak for everyone's subjective point of view when it comes to a moral perspective. The fine morality I apologize but do you believe that being transgender is not moral? I can speak on behalf of all trans people is what I'm trying to say I can speak for their point of view. What does that have to do with morality in your opinion? Well because if we're speaking we're speaking with intentionality and intentionality is inherently moral in nature it's qualitatively moral human will and intentionality has a moral quality by nature and according to Emmanuel Kant our actions are universally connected by you know the categorical imperative which establishes the universal and social basis of morality so therefore you're wrong anyone can speak on behalf of trans people especially myself because I'm smarter than everyone here besides James because he's so true Oz. I don't feel the need to fear monger over something like this it happens so infrequently but I also think that there's a big element also that like I think it's also rude for even if the boobs weren't big like to to cross-dress as a woman like for what reason are you doing that in a in a school like for what reason it doesn't what if you're there what if they're like the now see this is the if they're a genuine cross no no if they're a genuine trans person like like we say you say cross-dress a lot of people think trans people are just cross-dressers so like when you say that a lot of people but there's obviously like a scientific basis for like them not being cross-dressers not necessarily like on hormones or like like there are there there are there's like um like the the brain scans or whatever that people talk about but like that's not like I'm talking about people who are like trans who are like transitioning like medically or who have transitioned to like where they are now like but you can so like a woman on their ID you should yeah sure but then you could also be a woman on your ID so it wouldn't be like a caricature of a woman it would be just that you are a woman so trans people that haven't medically transitioned or caricatures of women uh no but I think that there's like a a difference between medically like a transsexual versus like someone who is just calling themselves a woman yet so then we get into is transsexual an inherent identity within yourself or is it based on your genitalia I think it's based on like more than just your genitals but I think that if you are if you're existing in the world as a woman because like a woman then you are a woman I think that gender is an external experience okay but you can say you can say that you live as a woman but if you're like six foot five and look exactly like a man you're like not living as a woman like you're not all right but I think any other thoughts on this issue what about I mean well I don't want to take sides so I can't I'm gonna just let you guys go in particular the sex at issues whether or not any of well is it too far if students are taught about things like fisting or the old rim job is this bad or is this actually kind of like hey if they're consenting what's the big deal of 217 year olds are taught this and consensually do it like where do you all stand would you say like hey fisting and rimming no problemo in public schools or would you say like I do think that's too far I do I think it is too far and especially in terms of like curriculum but I but I also think that like if teachers are going to be doing comprehensive sex ed then they should be prepared to answer questions that might come up about stuff like that and if this if this like pamphlet is preparing them because these are like real things that a lot of people do like and and their students might have questions about these things and you know what like what where is when you're talking about when you're having a car like sex ed especially at like almost like at like 1617 like which in the example you guys were just talking about like I don't know I think I think it's like it's probably good to like be able to tread the water there and like you know I was like hey like yeah there are safer ways to do these things and there are not safer ways there are less safe ways I think it's really important but I don't think it should be taught like yeah okay so so in your own words then where do you cross the line where do you draw the line so like I probably a lot of people draw the line like pleasure based education like and I think a lot of people will yeah I think a lot of people are like all for you know teaching your kids at a like a state how to like respect something like consent or how to protect yourself against unwanted pregnancy and STD and I think but I think that there's there the debate starts because I think a lot of these conversations obviously should be having with your parents but there's also a lot of parents that won't have these conversations with their kids and so they're going to be the ones to fall through the kids that don't have parents that's true but I also don't think that a teacher should be doing this like I think that doctors should come to school and do sex ed like I think that should be part of clinical rounds um and then you can that's very interesting yeah and then you can ask as many questions as you want and it's like with a stranger so there's like less shame involved and maybe it should be more like yeah but like how does sex ed but the question is what is so wrong about the sex ed system that it's become a loophole to teach children about fisting we don't have sex ed systems in most states like there's not official sex ed curriculum yeah but like what why why you know you know there's a there's a whole debate about sex ed there's like the religious right is saying no this is the devil and then they're saying oh no we should teach children but like how can you really make the case when you're like now debating about fisting right doesn't that really give ground to the other side that's saying you know what forget all of this this is just it's gone too far infrared to to to clarify that none of us have agreed on this panel that teaching about fisting rem jobs is acceptable so I think we're all on the same page there but yeah but this this uh the coder guy did you ban me from twitter by the way but uh he um he basically was alluding to this idea that you know um that oh yeah but we should tread the waters and like we should a teacher should ask answer the question no no I didn't say I didn't say teacher should ask I said teacher should be prepared to answer the questions from students yeah I think the student raises their hand and asks you about rim jobs and fisting the teacher should send them to run away no I think the teacher should say you should talk to your parents about this no I think maybe that's the answer the teacher or the doctor should say you know write everything down that you have questions about as you're in class and then go to it with your parents well I've theoretically having a doctor come in and teach sex that is I don't think they should talk about it with their parents either honestly I don't think they should talk about it with their parents theoretically I think that that's actually a fucking brilliant idea really um the problem is is how are we going to how would we ever implement that though you know what I mean I think we implement clinic in the same way we implement like clinical hours or the same way that we implement like a resident have you ever worked in the medical field because I have for 13 years uh I dated someone who was in the the medical okay I'm just telling you right now that's not going to happen and then and then my parents and grandparents are both school teachers for public school so then maybe we should have doctors start organizations specifically for this that we can fund maybe we should how do we get them to do that uh this is what I'm saying why is it necessary we create incentives we I mean why do children need to know about that stuff what because kids because kids have sex um fisting and rim jobs why do children again we're not moving on but I'm pushing back because you said it was a brilliant idea to ask her why should they ask their parents I said it was a brilliant idea to have doctors come in so this is the problem this is the problem infrared why should doctors be asked that infrared infrared with things like porn they're gonna learn about it anyway so would you rather learn from no I'm for banning porn I'm I agree with you I agree with you but we don't live in that world yet so until then these kids are gonna have questions and you want to prepare them instead of just leave them in the honestly that's like that's like saying all right we ban heroin but oh they have questions so shoot up the needle they're still there programs are you are you pro or against their programs drugs are illegal so yeah I am fully against drugs love I have to say sometimes I love you and sometimes I just can't stand you I don't you're a conundrum to me you and you and most people I think yeah I empathize with that nationally any other thoughts wait one one one thing that came up that I'd love to hear about your thoughts the alleged don't say gay bill that DeSantis put forward I don't know if he calls it that so I don't want to take a stance on it myself but whatever this bill is what exactly did it say and is it a reasonable bill or would you say no this is unreasonable because it's pushing too hard in terms of not allowing things that should be allowed to be said what do you think I speak on that I think it's very reasonable actually I think um that one of the great do we want to define what it is first would you like to define what it is that you think yeah he's basically saying you can't talk about sexuality to kindergartners and I agree with that that's not what the bill is actually at all well I respectfully disagree I think that's a tiny part of it but I think it's an important part I think it's an important part okay so grades k through 12th are not in many states many a majority of states in Florida are not sex ed at all but they're saying that in grades k through 12th we can't even mention or utter the words homosexual lesbian gay heterosexual or transgender right none of these so these people exist and like like we shouldn't like lie to children about whether or not trans and gay people exist like that seems like like really malicious to do yeah but like I had a very logic here's the thing do we if we talk I think that we should talk about things like anal sex and it should just be like ungendered like I don't think that we need to go into like the ins and outs of homosexual sex or heterosexual sex just say if there is penetration in an anus or in a vagina these are the things that you need to protect yourself right that doesn't need to be discussed at all actually none of that no it does not you're just saying yeah yeah but you know like in a school setting why should that be discussed right because they're because you need to because there are conversations so imagine you're like a gay kid and your parents like are not going to have that conversation with you but you still need to learn how to you're going to engage in that sort of sex you're just going to because you're going to you need to find ways to protect yourself from hiv to protect yourself from other things to protect yourself from micro tears to protect yourself from yeah I think that you know there should be there's yikes there should be a hiv prevention manual that you should go get at the doctor's clinic get it out of the schools doesn't belong in the schools maybe every doctor when by the way not all gay people do that shit by the way some of them just don't do that not all straight people do that shitty they're at what point why are we different of course straight people why would straight people do that it's disgusting why would they can feel good infrared you should try it sometimes buddy yikes the male g-spot is in the butt it is it's your prostate okay yikes all I'm saying is leave the children alone all children have to really know is how reproduction works and happens they don't need to be taught anything you draw the line infrared where do you draw the line how do you describe to them how reproduction happens and how it works um you know you basically uh you basically just use diagram you don't discuss pleasure you don't discuss why people are doing it you don't discuss the motivations you don't discuss the pleasure you discuss any kind of sti prevention uh in school you discuss condoms in schools well if you're teaching about reproduction reproductive health would you not want to teach them how to prevent that if they didn't want to reproduce I think we need to have a society where we are telling children not to be having children before abstinence okay yeah so we should just okay so wait wait so you you're you're uh you're asking for like just abstinence based sex ed like asking them to not engage sounds like it uh well you know first of all sex ed I mean no one ever pays attention in that class no so they do and we actually know that teen pregnancy rates and sg u rates go up in places like the bible bell so where they're on they don't teach yeah but that's because they that's because they think condoms are sinful and shit that's not really because they no it is not it's because it's because all they teach you in Utah in Utah you're not even allowed to teach about contraception I want to jump into a question that came in well who can blame them when their people are discussing fisting now this one people kind of ban condoms get off the fisting thing dude we all know you want to be fisted and you're serious yeah you're really you're on it you're on a tear I'm just shocked that this is even Deej said can we clarify the age group for the topic James appreciate you asking that Deej because I did not do that they said are we talking about high school middle school or elementary school so I think that are you not aware that I'm talking so the idea here is what age group are we talking about here so in terms of sex ed what age group would you all say where would you draw the line is it useful that sex ed could be taught at high school middle school or high school or the elementary definitely would have to be high school perhaps 18 and up um so in terms of like when we say sex ed we're talking about a really really really broad uh like an entire field right and so like we should be able to teach like like young kids like hey this is my no no square like don't don't let people touch you there like shit like that like that's technically like qualifies under the umbrella of like sexual education and but it's it's about you know prevention of sexual assault um so stuff like that's really important and that should be implemented as young as possible um so from there you you scale up with age um and yeah I don't know I don't know exactly like but you know uh better than it does now so does Utah because there's also other ways for example children can be scared like you can bring a pastor is a you're all going to hell and that kind of shit doesn't work and it'll stop no it doesn't in some in some cases it does in some but then yeah but that's not uh that's not super reliable but anyway to answer the question I think that uh in like fifth grade uh we should have conversations about like women understanding their menses there's so many women I know who are 24 and don't understand the phases of their of their menses or their cycle I think that's important I think that more women should be able to learn how to track their period without birth control because I think the birth control is bad for you um but yeah I think that there should just be more emphasis on that or like more emphasis on how to and maybe this is controversial but like safe masturbation um not teaching a kid how to masturbate but teaching them you know your body's going to have urges to touch itself perfectly normal make sure that they're not like feeling shame because of it don't go into it and just say don't hurt yourself obviously just don't put yourself in positions where you're going to hurt yourself I think that's the best bet and then that could be the end of the conversation about that um and then when they're in sixth grade I think that you should especially in like lower income areas we know that children are engaging in sex like much younger so probably put an emphasis on sex and you know in sixth grade for those communities sixth grade yeah we know that we know that in impoverished communities people are having sex like as young as like 13 so I think that we should prepare them for for uh yeah having sex at the age that they're going to have sex at so with when it comes to these sex ed laws actually uh or the curricula that we're talking about typically in most of our in most states it's from kindergarten to third grade that it's completely banned right and then from third to fifth grade that they start uh kind of introducing or implementing healthy relationships and healthy partners and what to look out for not to look out for and this may be controversial of me but I am I am all about uh what what Coder said about the no no squares starting very early reason being uh this is anecdotal as well but I have a very close friend and and close family members that were females uh and males sexually molested at a very young age that didn't have a good home life or parents that that taught them or implemented any of this into their everyday conversation or any conversation whatsoever and um and I think that so in my opinion from kindergarten to third grade I think it's completely appropriate to broach and touch on the subjects of what we should look out for as far as a sexual predator that might that might happen to you and then from third to fifth grade we can talk about what healthy friendships look like and when you start to develop hormones and what that might feel like you know and then from fifth grade up I think that it's completely appropriate to delve right into sex ed and I agree with labs surprisingly uh about the menses there's a lot of uh there's a lot of uh I think even I think though even boys should be taught about female menses I agree yeah for sure wait why about the menstrual cycle is that what you said yeah that is menses preventing preventing pregnancy is a two-way street so it's not just up to a woman boom so so I don't I don't understand shame is a very powerful tool yes some kids anyway some kids no no I'm serious some kids will do heroin but you're like considered a weirdo if you do heroin in sixth grade and you're like oh that's the following why aren't you comparing heroin to sex I'm so because because because because first of all sex is dangerous it's psychologically damaging it's psychologically damaging at a young age everything in life is about sex it's the most life changing traumatic thing that life revolves around young children have you had sex before I'm 30 and I haven't ever but when you're when you're a young child you shouldn't be allowed to allowed allowed allowed to gamble with your psychological safety and psychological well-being do you think you know that you're you know that young children are going to be put in situations where they're going to have to make a decision or understand whether or not this is okay this is not okay right well there needs to be honestly for you if you're someone's parent if you were my father you you would err on the side of abstinence don't do it don't this don't that well what if I what if I get uh coerced groomed raped touched somewhere and I never had any kind of education from my own father let alone you know or from the public school system let alone my own father to teach me that like you're talking about two different things you're talking about someone getting abused and then you're talking happens all the time okay okay that's fine but then you're making the transition from okay how do we prevent child abuse I'm fine with that conversation to how do we teach children to have sex well okay so about actually what you were saying earlier so there are things that I was a kindergarten teacher I was a preschool kindergarten teacher there are things that we like teach kids that aren't like necessarily explicit but like if someone does something to you takes a toy or like you know tells you not to tell anyone something an adult says this like what are we gonna do and it's like not sexual based it's just sort of like personal boundary based which I think is really normal but I don't I don't necessarily think we should be teaching K through you know fifth graders like about I see where but in my opinion that that kind of all falls into sexual education no it doesn't you can't use trying to prevent abuse as a loophole to teach children about fisting okay that's what you're trying to do and you can't you're looking for loopholes yeah you can teach children hey stranger danger don't go near the van don't go near strangers forget about all that stuff anyone ever stranger it's your uncle it's not just about strangers okay okay okay so first of all your parents are supposed to be the ones that teach you right anyone touches you inappropriately makes it that's the parent's job first and foremost I don't know what a teacher can teach children that a parent couldn't my father sexually molested me for years you know what I don't I don't I don't I don't buy this whole fucking trauma bombing on fucking debates I don't know who the fuck you are keep a fucking professional don't fucking air out all your personal trauma yeah so that is it's an anecdotal experience oh yeah let's just let's just let's just weaponize all of our personal traumas to win the fucking internet debate do you have any fucking shame do you have do you have any personal traumas I feel like you've been fisted before okay wow rich yikes this might be an opportunity we do have some of the questions coming in that are kind of related to the topic at hand one from Seth is why not get rid of sex education in schools and allow doctors to handle it at annual physicals you want to take that one laugh sorry ask one more time what was the question yeah they said why not get rid of sex education in schools and allow doctors to handle it at annual physicals that children go to that was another thing I was going to bring up why does it need to be something that's not just like uh you know just with your doctor when you get a physical when you're 13 when you start your men's sees I think that should probably be like a great time to have the conversation with your doctor that can be a really long conversation with your doctor I think that sex that usually happens over the course of like a couple weeks and that's like what's good about it aren't mothers supposed to teach their daughters about that stuff and also some people don't have mothers yeah but that you're talking about such rare exceptions no you're not that's not my question why are we in a society where it's the tyranny of the marginals why do we have a tyranny of the exception wait wait wait as a as a conservative I'm sure you label yourself as that as that don't you think that there is like a death of the nuclear family so wouldn't you think that like there's actually more people who can't talk to their parents I still think it's the norm that people do have mothers they can talk to them about that's the norm I don't know how you would get that information just because you feel that way yeah pretty much I pull it back to the the doctors like annual physical thing I think that I like I like the idea um I think uh man I might have lost what I was where I was gonna go with it I like the idea um oh I'm sorry but it feels like maybe with that solution we're just kind of like kicking the can down the road with like the real question because because then the question just kind of becomes like okay well what age is it okay for the doctor to teach about like these things and it's still it's still the same question it's just like a different educator in different contexts and you know maybe maybe a more ideal maybe a more ideal one yeah but there's like such a disconnect when you talk about when you talk to the doctor I'd like I'd like to hear Koder finish his statement please right that was that was about it I yeah I was interrupted but I think that was that was about where I was yeah I mean like I could detect when the conversation when this talking is about the end so that's why but um you know so here's here's the thing though do people like when when the doctor asks you oh yeah uh when have you had sex well I mean now I tell him the truth but you know when I was 17 I was just like oh yeah never like why would you you know what I mean like it's a completely different universe when you're talking to the doctor it's like a narc you're basically talking to like you know just like uh some like the government basically you're talking to the feds basically and I'm not going to tell them my private life right so that's the mentality children have or not children but you know minors or whatever teenagers that's the mentality they have when they're doing these you know uh sinful activities and shit you know they're taking a gamble right and you know that's us outside all the feds outside all the authorities I'm just trying to say I mean like maybe the best way to reduce teen pregnancy is to like have it talked about so much that it just becomes cringe like if the parents and teachers keep talking about it they won't want to do it because it's just like yikes like that's some arc shit basically when I remember people watching like 16 when I was growing up no one was like excited about it it may start to associate sex with the authorities so they won't want to rebel and they'll just be conservative that may be some reverse psychology that should be studied however in the absence of a program to study the reverse psychology of that I do not think it's appropriate that children should be taught so one in 10 children will experience physical sexual abuse in the united states before the age of 18 as of march of 2020 we also we also as teachers we also had teachers have to have certifications or I had to I had to have a certification to like look for the signs of something like in childhood sexual abuse because usually it's I mean it's not always extremely obvious but there are some things like general neglect or like you know kids will tell you things that are crazy and you you got to be able to like you're obviously like a state mandated reporter to the authorities so I don't know if I don't know if we need to have like big conversations with kids about like this is how if someone touches your vagina like I don't think we need to plant those ideas and and heads and rather just like if there's anything that you feel uncomfortable with come to me about it and then that can be and then you look it's convoluted though laugh because is there any data just hold on just it gets convoluted though laugh because as a young person you don't always understand though if especially if you've never been told taught or it's ever been discussed what makes you feel uncomfortable because sometimes the sexual touch can make you also feel good it's very conflicting sure I think when I so my parents are my grandparents raised me and they were very like overly cautious we're Jewish we talk about you know you're you're meant to fear the world very young um so I had conversations with my grandparents around like four or five about like you know men only want one thing cross your legs when you sit you know do well like don't let men touch you like this is your whatever and I think having that conversation really early actually did like a little bit of damage to me I was about say then you turned into an only fans girl so yeah and yeah yeah there's that and then also you know I hate men and I don't think that we should I don't think we should set up young women to hate men in the same with the same fervor that I do I respect that point of view a lot actually actually I think I think young women should be very wary of men and should be taught that men are basically like wild animals that's not what I would teach my daughter I don't like that maybe not wild animals but to teach them that there are people out there they're wanting to hurt them I was I was actually used by a woman it's the nature the nature of men you could say it's our society you could say whatever you want oh Jesus Christ maybe the nature of you I don't know especially the nice ones like the the cute geeky shy guy that's a fucking serial killer and shit so basically what I'm trying to say is um look is there any data to support that um that um teaching children to be open to sex reduces abuse I don't know who's arguing yeah who wants who wants that I think the common sense would tell you that if you teach a child that when someone touches your no no square um it is not good and that you should report that to someone you trust that's fine I'm not I think that that's just common sense yeah yeah I do with that but then you started to say some other stuff like oh yeah we should teach them you know about fisting and shit I did not keep throwing the fisting you're trolling this is a troll now everyone's watching the same video I'm not trolling I'm using it as an example of you basically an example that's very poor because I never said that yeah but you are saying we should teach them raise your hand if we should teach kids about about fisting okay okay that's the extreme it's the extreme but you guys do you like to bring it up guys you guys do fall under the spectrum you do fall under the spectrum because you're basically saying I want to we want to teach them how to uh have pleasurable sex no one here said that no one person here said that never been in gold anything to talk about maybe maybe you need you said in third grade who said in third grade you're gonna start teaching this shit man third grade actually I think in regard to third grade personal no kindergarten with hell no what the fuck is that man pause I think the disconnect is about like what she's talking about teaching in those grades versus what you're imagining her talking about teaching in those grades right and somebody some clarification there first of all look the truth is you've never had sex before look I like this thing the truth is you cannot make an inherently dangerous thing somehow all of a sudden full song you need to teach I don't want to clarify that are you talking about sex being the inherently dangerous thing I'm sorry it is inherently dangerous okay and and so that's why the thing that is missing in our society is shame shame shame there needs to be a strong powerful sense of shame that's promoted that is a very direct black and white line between sin and morality I disagree yeah we we know that that works with like a catholics who are pedophiles we know that that stops a catholic priests priests from touching kids we know that that stops drugs we know that that stops fat people from being fat we know that shame works we know that's impotent shame that's shame that doesn't work but imagine does work why because that's shame that's shame that's shame that's used by like teachers and cringe people imagine if snoop dog came and started shaming the kids imagine if all the cool people started shaming them imagine if there was a cultural what does that look like like what do you mean by shame like hey guys that's not cool or like what kind of shame do you mean like like shame you know no I don't know I asked yeah yeah it's like basic it's a basic it's a basic human emotion the basic yeah so like so like how would these people shame kids like by saying okay okay like like be treated the same way as picking your boogers in the corner basically oh so like ew you're gross exactly okay well I think this I think that some kids uh that can actually do the the opposite effect of what you're doing because if some people attach their sexuality to something like ew gross I think they're just going to become deviants or they're going or they're going to grow up and have very unhealthy sexual relationships with their husbands and wives because you can never disassociate pleasure feeling pleasure and shame at the same time you can't it's going to happen you're going to be married for years to your husband and every time you guys have sex you're going to have that little nagging feeling of shame is that what you want you want a wife that doesn't want to have sex with you because she feels ashamed about it I think he wants a sexless marriage it's I think he but the truth is look here's the truth right did you have sex at us of course but basically you're saying that shame is going to lead to uh unhappiness and marriage I disagree because the more private sex is the more healthy it is the more public it is not talking about you're talking about shaming specifically okay for example for example if if okay if you um if you pee your pants in class that's shameful right should you be mocked for that in class yes you would be okay should you be should you be yes you should let your students like make fun of that like pee pants loser like hot as a matter of fact as a matter of fact I put it on the chalkboard every day to remind them but as a kindergartner who peed his pants in class and I don't remember if I was made fun of for it but like if I was maybe maybe I wasn't and that's why I don't remember it but if I had been it probably would have made me feel like shit I don't know that's probably why you still take pee pants all the time listen the reason that's healthy the reason shaming that is healthy is because it's a strict private public distinction nobody thinks it's shameful to pee but it's private the minute it becomes public is when it becomes shameful so it's the same thing with sex um okay so so you had sex ed what did you learn about and sex ed did you it abstinence based sex ed or what do you learn about basically they showed me they showed me a 70 1970s uh thing where they were just like uh and don't worry masturbation is healthy and that's all I remember okay do you think that do you think that it should it's just the woman's job to prevent pregnancy and stds um what what do you mean like do you think it's only the woman's job to prevent pregnancy like how much how much like men are desperate these men out there do you know the phases of uh of a menstrual cycle do you know how many holes the woman has yeah as I was gonna say men are desperate out here you know a lot of men for example they're so desperate they look up every single aspect of female anatomy because they've like they they're so desperate to be in close proximity to everything about women and the minute that they get the chance to get someone pregnant or contract an std they will because they're that desperate and that's why women have a very important role why are they that desperate is it because they lack an education on the subject oh it's because because that's how fucking works you know no I'll tell you why because men are desperate men are more desperate because it's hard it's harder for men to get with women in the reverse everyone knows I agree with that but why are they out there getting people pregnant and contracting stds is it due to a lack of education on the subject they don't care even if they are educated they're probably gonna do it anyway because they're that desperate probably okay cool men are not rational okay they they will yeah a man will definitely where's your data and statistics on this friend oh oh you can appeal to common sense but I can't you didn't make that argument so I'm asking I am making there's something called post nut clarity man man could make a mistake scientific term yeah it is they can make a mistake and then they look and then they see oh my god I made the worst mistake in my life and then you know that's too bad right that's how it works so um you know that's just the truth that's just that's that's your truth we got it we should we should try to teach young men about self control I agree haas because there are uncomfortable urges that people have to deal with and we should make sure they have the tools and the healthy attitudes to manage them effectively and safely with the people around them honestly the best way to do that is through culture not through social engineering and people wearing glasses social social engineering meaning like teaching at schools yeah yeah yeah like like culture is what beautiful look the schools have no role in any of that stuff it's all culture cultures everything schools just because the teachers when a teacher stands in front of the fucking class you know all the kids are on tiktok they're all not even paying attention nobody cares what that dumb teacher has to say culture culture is like how people influence each other right not not intentionally but no not intentionally but that's how it happens so why would you think that there's not like culture happening like at schools there is culture happening but it's not in the way that you can control the culture that's happening is that there's a narc gym teacher sitting in front of class mouthing off and no one cares and no one's paying attention and nobody that's not affecting them culturally in the same way that tiktok video does it's not something that you can control I'm sorry no go ahead and why is the onus why is the onus so much on schools what about the media what about all like the disney channel and all this crazy I think we agree that our society is like overporned and oversexed for sure but we need to counteract that not by pretending it doesn't exist but by like arming our children with information yeah you know what I think you would even you would greatly the need for all this stuff in the schools if you just arrested the media companies that pray on children okay you're going off on a what about youtube what about youtube what about what youtube did with youtube does with spider-man elsa gate what about the disney channel and Nickelodeon you know all these all these companies they pray on children's this is a great opportunity for the q&a so what I say folks are guest are linked in the description we're going to try to get through as many questions as we possibly can do appreciate them this one coming in from arcade let's see that one folks want to remind you we're looking for substantive questions rather than insults this one coming in from the batman says why is it okay to teach kids to have sex in school which can result in pregnancy or stis and yet fisting which isn't as high risk for either of those namely pregnancy or stis is not allowed what are your thoughts I think it's mostly like harm reduction I think that kids are like uh like first of all less likely to be wanting something like that because that's more of a deviance that's something after comes that like happens after sex most of the time and I think most kids are just worried about like I don't I don't think your first I don't think your first move is going to be one person at a time hold on I don't know if you were done yeah first first move isn't going to be fixing it is fisting but I also think it's just about like harm reduction like yeah oh okay got you that that there's there's harm from fisting I think you're saying yeah like that's in hand that's like way more unsafe than like a penis very dangerous gosh yeah I don't know if you do a safe place probably dangerous you tell me okay so Ashley I sound like you had something you want to say about fisting as well no no no that was I was just I was laughing I said what what what lab said I said I don't think that the first go to move is to fist someone you know that's that's why I think that it's not not relevant to the conversation of sexual education if we're talking I'm sorry no go ahead if we're talking about um if we're talking about sexual education and what's safe for kids I don't again that goes into what what lab said earlier actually I can't believe I'm agreeing with with you so much this time laugh but um that goes into what she said earlier about not not focusing the education so much on pleasure or quote unquote deviant or undeviant but whatever I don't I don't want to get into what's deviant or not if you like fisting more fucking power to you but I don't think but you're also a deviant I am a deviant but fisting itself is not going to get you pregnant fisting itself is not going to give you her peace yeah the thing is the thing is the point though is that I think they were saying that it fisting wouldn't give you pregnancy or STIs which are harmful like apparently I don't know I frankly I don't know a lot about the STIs I don't know if they hurt or whatever but I think they're saying like fisting is a lower risk for STIs which are painful and yet I'm gonna go ahead and say sex which is they're saying it has a higher risk for STIs which can be painful or unplanned pregnancies so the problem here's the thing here's the thing sex has nothing to do with health the medicalization of sex is a complete travesty sex is antecedents and some modern science is completely fake sex is metaphysical it's literally yin and yang it's mysticism it's every civilization every culture in history oh my god are you wicked are you a witch like me all human societies are structured around the regulation of sex sex is the most fundamental aspect of human beings even philosophers like slob always you just say that sex is ontology sex is ontological sex is primordial sex is literally a powerful occult force it has not modern you can't domesticate with modern science and talk about oh health is health that you know the truth is fisting is satanic it's just disgusting you know the truth you gotta stop with this stuff about oh yeah we're gonna just what about the health it's not about health it's not about medicine it's not about modern science modern science is fake uh sex is the most one of the most sacred it's the most sacred thing it's where literal human beings come from every human society has been structured around the regulation and veneration and and stuff about it's all about sex everything is about sex except sex itself which is about power oscar while that's what he said even in tribal societies it's all about the distinction between the masculine and the feminine energy the even even pagan societies or the idol worship every single society is about true that's why i'm like are you pagan you're a witch so if it is if it is a Abrahamic society is the same thing sex sex is literally the ontological and metaphysical antagonism i agree agree agree why are you talking about it now because i'm saying because you're people's responses oh should we teach children about fisting um no because it's no no that's not why we shouldn't do it we shouldn't fucking do it because it's evil nefarious satanic and just plain evil and everyone can see it's evil but we're going to pretend it's not evil in the name of modern science no so you're saying if fisting was healthy we would no that's stupid okay just just be sure we hear it okay i think ashley and lab both had a response i want to give did you if you do um well what i was going to say is so if if sex is like you say and i actually agree with you for once guys market um that sex is one of the most important pivotal important things in life and in society and in all cultures then why wouldn't you want to educate people more about it because sex is sacred and by trying to domesticate it by modern not educate people on the bible you're doing a nefarious thing if you want children to truly learn about sex have them read the bible okay there's some crazy stuff in the bible there's some crazy yeah here's yeah the truth is look the truth is if you want kids to know about cutting off your foreskin sex to be repressed no this is the problem sex needs to be repressed to give ground to human subjectivity and human art and human creativity and human personality that is the necessary prerequisite now when you try to make sex fully transparent to the gaze of modern science the pyramid of modern science you are basically bringing us into a post-human transhumanistic society where we're going to shed every single fundamental aspect and submit every aspect of our humanity to these technocratic scientific experts they're going to probe us and dissect us like we're fucking frogs i'm not a god damn frog i'm a human being i gotta say haas i you know no matter how much no matter how many things i disagree with you on i really love you man you are you are just you're just great that you keep keep doing you man that makes one of us this one coming in from nyanore says we got that one this one from jupiter darman says feel like there's a lot of alarmism regarding the stuff being taught at school if some of this stuff were really so widespread our kids would be telling us i don't think that's necessarily true but yeah i don't i don't think that my intention at least was to fear monger like i think that this is something that is obviously going on because we saw it on twitter but i don't think it's like plentiful i know that actually more states don't even have sex ed requirements and i think that's a problem they don't you know they don't teach it go actually yeah you got it which i find harmful personally but thanks for your question this one from the batman says i think this came from very early they say to say that voluptuous women are distracting seems conservative i think they're saying uh i think they're saying that if the trans like if it's conservative to say that oh people should ignore a woman who is dressed with a shapely figure and they shouldn't you know people shouldn't tell the uh what's the word they say cis woman if you can't tell the bio woman hey you you can't dress provocatively because you'll distract people the men will be looking at you you know you'll have people looking then why is it okay to do it to trans people i i think that we should be able to tell anyone how to dress professionally i think that listen haas is dressed like a slut right now showing his arm showing a little bit of his chest i think it's all you're doing listen i think it's disgusting i think it's distracting all you're doing lab all you're doing is giving away your own dirty thoughts laugh i think it's disgusting and distressing like you would like i think you're having laugh i think you're having dirty thoughts please keep it professionally making uncomfortable i think if a teacher showed up to school and was showing his arms it's like okay relax like you don't need to be doing all that or like a tight shirt like just dress professionally hey lab why don't you have some self control why don't you have some self control it's so hard around you i can't do it this one's all the hair it's it's it's how divinely masculine you are haas this one from r.h says haas you got to stream these to your cozy channel groipers love you uh what is what's his name shot out appreciate the support you got a deed says i got that one that was the age coffee mom says i have a five-year-old what do you think he's learning right now i mean don't have your five-year-old watching this stream colors and animals colors and animals songs days of the week no no in all seriousness i would i would figure that out i would be on top of that if you have a five-year-old in public score now there should have been seen on libs on tiktok you know you got to find out i'm not even just joking i'm not trolling i'm not just saying that go find out go to your school you know um talk to other parents talk to other you know ask for the course material you can ask for the course material yeah make make sure you know you and i think you can even probably go to school and watch there's probably something to do with some program like that you got to figure out what they're doing because you know you may want to pull your kids out honestly homeschooling i would not put my kids in public schools should i've been seeing on i'm glad you say i have a question for everybody and this is something that i thought about prior to going on this debate honestly so the entire top topic that we're we're discussing right and if you do have the point of view that that you you have kind sir is that if the the parent should be doing it etc etc what do you guys think about um then then should that be on your responsibility as the parent to put your kid in private school or homeschool we need to stop paying taxes that oh i've always said that why are we paying taxes in general no this is this is the absolute most base take is that uh women should be incentivized to homeschool their children their children and child rare um buy like something like ubi like government assistance less women in the workforce means more competitive wages for men and we get to spend more time with their children and have a dual income household and we don't have to i don't want to have to fucking work i want to take care of my kids and grow vegetables in the back of my house i like that strategy but i think we shouldn't i like i like the strategy but i don't think we should uh we don't i don't think we have to reinforce the the rigid gender rule when we no i don't know i don't think that i don't think that it should be i think it should be lots of no no let me this is a choice thing this is like a liberal thing as everyone should be forced into doing this but i think that there should be incentives to do it and i think that it should be an option but if there as a man listen as a man as a man speaking on behalf of women 95 percent of women 95 percent of women would prefer that way of life the other five percent the other five percent were basically witches in history and they had cauldrons and shit and they lived outside the village casting spells on everyone else but 95 percent of women do prefer that it doesn't have to be forced on anyone but we just need to be able to cultivate a society that promotes that promoting uh this idea that first of all a man should not be wearing an apron around the house there all right all right too far i don't know i'm gonna wear an apron what you're wearing has looks a bit like an apron so don't tell me like a gross and shirt this one coming in from seth says we got that one david levar says another insult bubble gum gun says yes public schools are indoctrination centers all right such a more of a statement why is every female argument try this i saw this earlier i don't understand this maybe you guys can inform me what this means why is every female argument just trying to shame men for not being depraved sex pests repeat that you say why is that okay apparently even for energies back every female just trying to shame a female argument trying to shame men for not being depraved sex pests shame men for not being depraved yeah why smashly why is a sex pest just someone who's like wanting sex and bugging people for sex that's what sex pest is right no i mean look look leftist always leftist always try to project their depravity on i think you shame men more than i do upstanding men such as myself good men such as myself abstinent until marriage yeah these evil women like what's her name lavalinist lavalin lavalinist she's you know these women are always out here trying to turn good men into you know basically flatter yourself babe i flirt with everyone they're depraved you know and the truth is there's a spiritual shield between me and people like smashly and lavalinist and you know your evil is going to need much more concentrated power than what you're you know it's just not going to work sorry i'll try harder you got it this we're coming in from neon nor says why we got that one deed says shouldn't we be discouraging children from having sex should in other words i think they're saying could we do the sex ed that we do in terms of like i this is let me know deed if i'm getting this wrong in the live chat i think they're saying like could it be that we you know we teach them explain we say hey you know we we uh if you want to have sex here's how it's done and here's how to use contraception but hey at the same time we'd highly discourage you you know we we don't think this is a good idea because the condom doesn't work as often as uh it's not as what's the percentage rate of success into isn't as good as people say because people make mistakes or whatever i think that's what they're saying yes and no yes and no yes i don't think that we should be sitting here going sex is great guys uh here's how you do it right uh i do think that it should be a very delicate combination of this is a very big choice and a big decision that has very serious life changing consequences right but i again we'll go back to teaching abstinence just doesn't work we have so much data highly correlated with team in afghanistan it works in afghanistan it works i don't know if the methods are the same i'm not going to touch that one in afghanistan it works this one coming up yeah and they're yeah and things are great over there teach that's a no side you don't have those teachers over there no they are they are killing women in the streets so i think i i i love you right now thanks so i don't know go ahead if you had a final thought go ahead yeah i'm just i i mean listen i i would like to live in a society where of course we're not like sex crazed and you know depraved and porn brand but i also like to live in a society where i can like show my shoulders without being stoned i think and my hair and my face true haas can show his shoulders in his exactly because boy do i like what he does this that's right don't we all this one from kvax mcdonalds is what age though does the panel think is appropriate for sex to be learned so specifically they're saying like not the box that you know we talked about earlier like teaching younger children like not sex per se but just here's the box nobody should touch you at they say what age does the panel think is appropriate for sex per se to be learned is it a number or just after puberty 25 years old i agree with lab when we went when it around menses which for girls can be anywhere from 10 to 13 years old so fifth or sixth grade but in all seriousness on that note that that's about the time that i remember learning like doing some sex ed and it was mostly about like like puberty like you know all the all the there was one day all the girls went to the playground one day all the boys went to the playground and we covered like that sex's puberty but but i mean that's like the intro there right that seems like a reasonable thing totally i also this is another thing that might be controversial i think that it should just be like sex based and maybe you can learn about intersex i do not think that you should be learning about transness at that age though i'd like to disagree when you say transness at that what do you mean by transness like i like i don't think that you should be learning about like cross-sex hormones at that age because i think that kids are like god damn it just when i like you listen i want to teach for what we at that point they probably already know that something's wrong they can go to their parents they can go to a doctor they can go to another professional i don't think a teacher is equipped to teach you about stuff like that and i just don't think that that's something that we should like just be normalizing or like ingraining and like any kid normalizing yeah normalizing okay yeah i don't i don't think it's it depends on what you're talking about normalizing you don't think it's normal to be transgender okay that's it's not normal it's a very not when you're 12 years old it's a very small subset of so then so then infrared you do think it's normal when you're say 25 what not when you're 12 years old your words 25 you think it's appropriate to teach sex ed so it's not normal when you're 25 so being transgender when you're like you know what i think there should be information available like online they're obviously back in the day to talk about stuff like that back in the day learning about that so young look it's called it takes a bit of social transition when when when you turn when you turn like 18 or i don't know you know the village already comes around and you know they're basically while they're chopping down trees and should they say oh yeah you know hey did you know there's such thing as vaginas and that's basically how it used to work in the olden times and you know everything needs to become more traditional i don't know why everything has to be standardized and it's gotta all be that just makes kids uncomfortable and you know nobody the opposite of traditional isn't standardized but i don't have a question they said k max k max mcdonnell asked this they they also said is there a reason it could be reasonable such that girls and boys would learn at different ages how to have sex no because then there becomes like a power and balance of like knowledge and that feels really weird i i like that answer gotcha this one coming in from will the pills says panel needs difference between sex and sexual interaction they are using the terms interchangeably is it okay to teach kids about sexual interaction i don't think that we use that interchangeably i think that we kind of hit on that subject when we talked about the no no squares and teaching and teaching the young children when it is and isn't appropriate to be interacted with in that way education sexual education is going to air more again i'll say on the side of pregnancy sti's things of that nature you know i know i think that we especially my question to you is how come in the year 1250 nobody had sex at in schools how come in the year 1250 we've been we've survived that long nobody needed who said that what did they even did that was normal back then no it wasn't i mean okay yeah yeah yeah okay okay listen that was messed up but but but but i'm gonna cherry pick what but but but but you can't you can cherry pick that you can cherry pick that no you can't yeah you can and yes you can yeah you can you can cherry pick that this one from hate stairs says haze why do you keep equivocating teaching young children anti molestation curricula to hardcore porn are you trolling yes um it was brought up earlier okay i didn't bring it up this was brought up into the topic i didn't bring it into the topic this one from rides is the problem with shame is different people will respond differently for instance a woman may feel deep shame about what she looks like without makeup i would equivocate that more to a person of the lgbtq plus community might feel so much shame that they would actually unalive themselves i think that's more relevant i think that we should probably have better mental health services before i i think that uh if your kid comes soon it's like i feel like i'm in the wrong body then it's your job to like get them to see a therapist i do agree with that yeah for sure deed says the left sir the no side is shaming haze's virginity unironically i don't think he's a virgin save yourself it's cool listen listen i'm under attack all because i'm i'm not leading a life of sin okay you know i don't even i don't even i don't even have sexual thoughts at all like you know this we can tell this one how many how many holes does a woman have like between zero and uh point five or something i don't know but um technically right vezi antinoff says how does the panel explain the islamic world in sex education no child pregnancies there nor scds as common is here in the us again i'm not i'm not gonna go that's i don't know about that data one yeah child pregnancy is like pretty normal there like under 18 oh he's like pretty normal it's just in a marriage it's a problem in a lot of places in yeah juicy i personally don't know light of the lamp the high rate of unintended pregnancies in the middle east region is a serious public health issue is what i'm seeing yeah okay there's like backward shit but like when they modernize they have a strict distinction between children and adults like every other civilized country teen pregnancy is quite common in the middle east they had there's backward practices in the some tribal like in yemen or whatever i saw on vice news where they still have like minors getting married and shit but that doesn't that doesn't persist when people you know like moderna have a basic modernization so i disagree and and they still have a very conservative culture but they don't have the teen pregnancies uh okay well i'd love to see some stats on that because it's not what i'm reading super interesting this one coming in from do appreciate your question light of the twin lamp says my co-worker is 18 and already has two kids is this a failure primary primary primarily on her as the individual or public education or her family wait i don't think we know enough information from just that fact but i mean it's probably a combination of all those things in theory but i mean at 18 like i'm not i'm not really interested in saying like like blaming her like oh you can't believe you had two kids by 18 you idiot like shaming like doesn't seem like a solution there i don't know i think that's a cultural thing i think it also i think that that happens in like unpoverished communities and then in places where they're not like obviously valuing things like uh you know education or stuff and stuff like that and they're just like okay this is what my mom did she had me as a teen mom and then i'm going to be a teen mom it's sort of like cyclical do you got it this is what i apologize i stepped away for a second what were we talking to did we did i hear someone mention like teen pregnancy and then marriage with that or well there was a question earlier was they said how does the panel explain the islamic world in sex ed and they said they claimed no child pregnancies or stds there okay my apologies i i do i do i'm sorry go ahead then they the next one was michael workers 18 and they already have two kids is this a failure primarily on her as the individual or public education or her family ashley i think that a combination of all of this actually absolutely but it depends does where's where are you from which state that's a huge one too this one part of the state are you what is your like racial demographic what is your income i think that that all depends well also are you part of the states that that absolutely do not promote any kind of sexual education yeah nominal says if more people if more of the people watching would remember to like this video more people would get to see these debates am i right thank you very much for your support nominal that's true we actually would be recommended more if you hit that like button appreciate it folks want to remind you folks actually true we've got a number of questions coming up so stick around you got about five or six more left but our guests are linked in the description if you'd like to hear more from our guests what are you waiting for you've already gotten a good taste of their views you can hear more about their positions by clicking on their links below in the 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people have sex education that they're less likely to have teen pregnancies maybe it's because there's more stability in life in general more affluence and i know blue areas are more likely to be in many cases that promote sex ed and that kind of stuff they tend to be more affluent they tend to be more stable than a lot of these places left behind the reason these people and these you know these red areas are so conservative and so christian is because they're in such conditions of destitution and squalor that they need these fundamental christian values to survive because it's chaos is drug addiction it's prostitution and that's the thing that actually keeps them grounded in some kind of it's have some kind of connection to a higher good in complete conditions of despair so the question has to be what is really the root cause of these issues is it simply a lack of institutions what's the chicken in it why are their institutions they're so it's a more fundamental issue it can't be addressed by sexual education is that also uh is that also something that you came across by common sense or do you have any data to back that up i have data to back it up this is from to appreciate your question light of the twin laughs appreciate it james is a james i would love to have you as my professor of sex ed okay thank you hot take the co-op says as a blue color worker there is a general outrage among the fathers i work with that the sex stuff being taught in schools is out of hand thoughts i wonder what he what specifically he's referring to with that because i i wonder i wonder if they're pushing a lot of this shit and he's like you know poorer areas to like experiment on them like guinea pigs and because that's something that happens every moment the government the government usually the government usually preys on the poor and the working class as guinea pigs and you know to do these twisted wild things and there's probably a lot of twisted wild shit going on in these public schools in these remote areas so it don't surprise me that it's getting out of hand you know unfortunately for my point of view and i hate to say this but i would i would argue with you there and say that it's more blue states that are probably teaching the more extremist point of view uh or or the fisting you know scenario and sex education i would say that the red states are definitely not doing that so you're more conservative places i actually that's not true that's not true there's plenty i grew up no so yeah like we know that more impoverished places are are have like little to no sex at or it's not like serious that's not that's not sure that they have a high lot of these places that you see on libs on tiktok are from rural red states and tiktok is your main source of that makes it kind of makes it even a lot of even scarier the way that libs if the only reason the only reason those cases are even brought up in the first place is because in blue states people are probably too scared to speak out against it because they don't want to be labeled a bigot whereas in red states people don't give a fuck and they'll just be like what the fuck are you teaching my kids and that's why it gets publicized i think that you're talking out of your ass right now oh really yes yeah i don't i don't think we ever like you talked about fisting like a few times and and there was never even one like fine where's your data smash my data on why i think that you're talking out of your ass yeah well it didn't come from tiktok i'll tell you that i have data to back up everything i'm saying other than tiktok no no no that's it end of end of discussion i have data i have data it's in the zoom chat look in the zoom chat i put it in there true there's a bar chart here this one coming in from to appreciate your question couldn't see it's in another language what your name is but thank you for your question says haas has clearly never heard of baka bazi in afghanistan baka bazi is a slang term in some parts of the rape of adolescent boys called dancing boys first of all that was a disgusting corrupt practice that was brought first by the mujahideen government the taliban came and wiped it out completely eradicated it then in the u.s occupation government brought it back the kaboom government brought it back talban came back now and they're getting wiping it out again so who do you want to blame for that disgusting uh abominable crime against humanity um blame the liberal progressive world and people like smashley trying to export woke values across the world yes i definitely sound clip for everyone out there i love fisting anal sex and raping boys just so we're all clear the deed says oh my god this if this channel is not here tomorrow folks you'll know why this one from deed says should we have higher standards though for hiring teachers i don't know if they mean uh haas's friend the teacher on the thumbnail or if they mean something else yes we should but the problem is is state funding period end of story and it sucks it's fucked up the way it's fucked up the way that they base how they're going to fund your school also um the the the public school system again and i think this is we're probably coder and i agree based on his statement earlier is that the public school system is entirely irrefutably fucked up but aside from sex ed yeah i was just gonna add that we have a mask like it there's a really really bad shortage of teachers like um and also like 80 percent of educators indicate that burnout is a serious problem only 10 percent of educators would like strongly recommend the profession to a young adult like these are dismal numbers um and we i mean we have ongoing teacher strikes all across country i think we need um we need to find ways to incentivize more people to get into education in general um we we need to yeah we just need more teachers better teachers and more schools and and not just in schools but also revolutionizing like online learning which which has you know become something that was it was difficult to a difficult gap to bridge uh during covid and and now um and incentivize mothers to stay home and home okay but also we also need to change the i'm just saying we need to change the the the the way that we go about how we fund certain schools we need to change that because it's fucked up if you i don't this is a different debate but if you really look at it it's fucked the way that we decide the way the states decide how much money a certain school is going to get versus another school is completely hypothetically i know you can't i don't know if you're going to advocate for this but in a hypothetical scenario what if everyone stopped paying taxes that would solve all problems i like that's actually antithetical to that point um like completely how would how would this how would anything get funded without taxes they wouldn't i guess so without tax we would live on a compound there would be no like social institutions to help people who are like mentally ill or disabled or they're not being helped or i've been tell i go to la i go to new york they're running around rampant yeah i live in la also and i and i know people have been helped by social institutions so oh you you you live in la and you're saying these people are being in in institutions they're they're throwing they're throwing buckets of not institute not not mental institutions i'm saying there should be institutions there should be things put in place like a aid like government aid the system the system is so corrupt it can only collapse so what do we do so are you proposing that you know a way to both make hot dogs cheaper and to eradicate the homeless population uh hot dogs are disgusting i don't know what that means but here's the thing what do we do with them we're not going to do anything with them because the whole government is going to collapse this will abolish the fed anyway this one from uh right based anarchist anarchism says we are hitting a point in society in which in some countries birth rates have dropped below the replacement rate should we really be pushing people towards more birth control and less casual sex first of all casual sex is demonic okay second of all the solution to more children is more more marriages so i think i think less casual sex in the way that it's been going i think that hookup culture is actually really harmful for like every party involved but i think that we should be normalizing having like a like more sex with like people we trust so like potentially our friends um well i disagree with you and also i think that birth control is evil i think synthetic hormones are very bad for women i think that they're a viable choice obviously but i think the best option is learning about your body learning how to track your ovulation so that you can prevent pregnancy um there's something called natural cycles if you're a lady and you're watching this rare but if you are a lady watching this there are other options other than obviously hormonal birth control if you're having trouble with that most women do there's other options and remember if it's before marriage if it's before marriage you're going straight to hell i have a good story that goes along with that lab so when i was in high school my high school boyfriend and i we were we were about to have sex in the back of his truck right i'm 17 18 at this point and he wanted to not use condom right typical and i said to him i said i i think that you guys have all seen me enough now to know that this is probably true i said to him i said did you know and this is in 2003 okay so i said did you know that 25 percent of women each year get pregnant by using the pull-up method 17-year-old ashley said that i get what you're saying but that's not a formidable viable reliable version of birth control however having said that i know but there's also a fertile window that you could just not have sex there it is right but it does it how long can the sperm survive inside of them so up to so up to four days so up to four days so so pulling out pulling out is bad for men's but you also can track pulling out is bad for me that's what you took from that pulling out pulling out is bad for you gotta get it in there so pulling out pulling out also when done correctly is pretty effective no no pulling out don't studies they've done studies i put it in the zoom chat the studies are in the zoom chat pulling out is bad for men and women's mental health especially the men because basically it's a failed conquest oh my god true um but pull-up method and when you're you know sex when you're not ovulating great great uh great scenario if you if you are great but they're not 99.9% just have more period sex you can't pregnant a man a man who pulls out may have not given his seed to the woman which is cringe a very questionable but but he has given his soul to the devil true especially if it's how do you feel about period sex i want to hear how infrared feels about period sex i really do i'm so i'll discuss them i'll discuss oh my god but yeah anthony beyondy says did you learn about the theme this don't worry they're actually this one is on behalf of you ashley and they are actually coming at haas will give you a chance to defend yourself because everybody already saw it in the live chat is their super chat said haas you keep referring to yourself as a man but curse a woman out when she speaks about a serious traumatic experience you should be the one shamed um first of all this is a completely anonymous place i don't know anyone here and when you use that as a debate tactic that is just you can't you can't use personal bullshit as a debate tactic i don't know anyone here you don't know me i'm not going to use that it's a it's like a way of trying to win the argument without actually arguing yeah if you're going to have a debate on the internet with strangers you don't know you have to keep it cold impersonal impartial i'm a human being i i i am sorry to everyone for any bad thing that's ever happened to them and you know i'm not good at saying this shit but that's because i'm a stranger i'm a random guy you know you shouldn't you know look the truth is this is a debate you have to keep it professional you have to keep it impersonal that's what i'm saying my response to that is it it was anecdotal but it was directly relevant to the subject that we were discussing directly in a sense that i i actually did experience this and i had something to counteract comment wise to you based on a very real yeah but like i'm not interested in arguing with your experiences no one cares if you're fucking interested yeah yeah but like i'm not interested yeah yeah but like i'm not interested are you yeah yeah this is this is why i'm not this is why i'm not it's very personal and it's very emotional to you and i have no business talking about it i was able to speak about it okay but you're trying to force you're trying you're basically trying to force me to talk about something very personal to you which i can't do it's that would be in human it's not like it's a unique experience that we all now understand that your father fisted you when you were young sorry okay so that so first of all that is just wow okay you really making yourself look good here look i don't know okay like i said i do not want i want to debate you but i don't want to have to talk to you combatively about these like visceral experiences yeah don't bring it up because it's like yeah like i don't make you uncomfortable yeah yeah yeah because you're trauma dumping because you're trauma dumping i'm sure everyone here has traumas i'm sure everybody here has traumas but you're gonna use that as a weapon in a debate that's just complete bullshit me i grew up perfect and also i don't know how much how like you're like emotional outburst is actually any thoughts again i brought it up because it was very relevant the exact subject at hand and i feel like his response to it says more about him than it says about me yeah but you make it like you make you just made light of child rape you just joked about child rape let's let her finish the sentence and then you can speak so i think it says more about him than it does me because i was not speaking about it in any kind of emotional crazy or outbursty way i was speaking about it very seriously and very monotone i was saying this is my experience this is what happened and i am coming from this point of view having been a victim of this so i do know a little bit of what i'm talking about okay so first of all what you brought up had nothing to do with the debate at the time and what we were actually debating about now second of all you just made light and joked about child rape so i think that speaks to the actual like sincerity of where you're coming from trying to smear my character oh that speaks bad about my character but you're just going to go ahead and make light of child rape like it's a funny joke so so here so next question yeah i didn't do any of that bro this one from brandon hansen says remember school dress codes are to protect the students from the teachers don't get it twisted think about how many more teachers molest students back solid point this one coming in from steven okawa says how's why do you focus on what's taught in public school rather than its abolition maga communism should be defunding everything that is the real movement you know what defund everything i agree defund everything yeah i was gonna say that was kind of the implication of what he was like what he's been getting at like i think his position has been like to move your kids out of public school or out of public school as much as possible which inevitably is going to lead to them having even less resources and making getting worse and then he can point at that not you specifically but they hope the republican party and those are aligning with you on this particular issue they can point and say look how bad everything is so fucked we need to give them less resources and the cycle continues and it's fucked look your public school system model has failed so you got to go back to the drawing board because it's completely failed for me personally i think it's worked for a lot of people yeah i think it's worked for i actually i'm gonna kind of agree with him there infrared i think our public system school system is shit yeah it is garbage but i think for like the vast majority of people it like is fine that's not true look how lav turned out look how radical turned out i'm basis fuck haze you have no idea oh i'm not included this time because i agree with you how did i turn out how did i turn out haze um sexy smart have like a really gross couch this isn't my couch i'm at an airbnb i'm traveling that's that airbnb smells like broke i'm sorry you've you picked an airbnb with a gross couch okay that says enough about you i'm in new orleans so there's slim pickings out here the couch is in bed d says online learning has developmentally hurt children i i have i don't know if this is it's hard for me to draw the connect the dots what do you guys think of the long basically the covet like are there still any the chicago still doing online learning or is the pandemic over for them i don't know so so when it comes to online learning um there are a lot of problems with it it has been really difficult and but a lot of the problems come from the fact that like there aren't there isn't good infrastructure in place for for something like this to happen like but and and and i think if there was if there were a lot more resources like better better tools but i mean better even access to computers which a lot of students don't have when they're not at school um like going in this direction where we can have more tools accessible to more students i mean that frankly that's that's the only way to to help them so 99 i'll say this real quick 99% of school has nothing to do with the curriculum it's all about socialization everything you learn is like how to interact with people socially that's the look schools are just daycares for how to watch children because parents are at work that's the only reason they exist the curriculum is basically meaningless nobody remembers anything about the curriculum i know um no you don't and yeah so besides like the teachers pets and stuff no one remembers anything about the curriculum and it's all socialization and schools should probably whatever the its future is gonna have should be reformed around that fact and i actually think school should focus less on sitting in classrooms um you know wasting kids times and start doing recreational outdoors stuff you know learning how to chop down trees learning how to do life skills trade schools engineering you know hands-on type of stuff i mean sports athleticism school needs to be completely restructured around that and all that yeah i was i was gonna say i actually agree with like almost everything you said except except for i want all of those things to be i want i want to bring more of those things in with like uh more educational environments like i i want to bridge that gap more i don't think that there should be like trade schools and then like um universities where you get a formal education like i think they should we really should blur the lines between these things and and like someone should be able to go to like their their shop class and then go to philosophy afterwards and like i don't know i think it'd be better for more people like the way that people kind of separate these things is completely different forms of education is is a problem because they're they're deeply intertwined you got it so i'm gonna end from do appreciate your question brandon hansen all right skipping that one this one from can't pronounce your name it says call me squiggles oh that's okay that's what you like to be called squiggles says look at proficiency rates for us students we have to import intelligentsia sex ad is the least of our worries i think they're saying something which i think radical coder you've wanted to make i think actually kind of wanted to make this case too that some of the sexual stuff is uh not helpful but it's a negligible difference maker when you consider the other more substantive intellectual deficiencies of the public school system is that what you guys would say i would agree with that absolutely look this yeah i was just gonna say one thing that i i talk about a lot is like uh because i'm personally i'm like a big fucking nerd if you can imagine and so like i really like math i like teaching math and and like all throughout my life i've heard this billions of billions of times and you all probably have heard this as well it's like people would say i hate math i'm no good at math and like i think that's a failure of the structures that were big were presented to teach them math because like no one's like inherently like terrible at math or data math there's just like you can't learn higher level math if you didn't cement like earlier knowledge so like if you miss a day of school you can be fucked for like your entire life and look back and thank you hate math just because you missed one fundamental concept and yeah i think we need to do a lot to improve stuff like that you got it thank you very much for your question ellie jutting says should schools promote abortion as birth control what abortion should never be abortion should never ever ever be a form of birth control not once not ever not not ever okay no but pro choice all day every day 100 pro choice they should definitely teach about it uh and that it's like really you know they should probably hear testimonies from women who have had it done and most women who have had it done are you know not happy about it right like it's extremely traumatic and it's also i don't think anyone is yeah yeah so i think that i think that you can teach someone about it um without being like pro abortion this one from squiggles says haas is pro taliban is pro taliban in afghanistan they toss homosexuals off root rooftops by the way based or not haas uh i i have not heard about that oh have you not that's always bad if it was true right though haas i have not i've not heard about that i um this one from i get passionate about i'm sorry i'm sorry no go ahead i get passionate about the topic of of homosexuality lgbtq plus um i get very passionate about it i am very in support of it and i uh in support of anybody being the identity or gender that they choose or identify as well i i'm actually getting reports so my colleague sent me that that's not true and that that is just the baka bazaar child molesters that gay people do not get uh any punishment uh they don't get thrown off rooftops but the the punishment no they well they don't get killed right but that those people that that's called pedorasty and there used to not be any distinction now there is obviously between two adults they don't get killed by the government right but they get killed by people gay people i mean i don't i don't know maybe in afghanistan but it's not the policy to kill them it's only the tolerance policy to kill the baka bazaar child molesters that's a debate for another day all right yeah this one coming in let's look say our last one you got deej says in relation to the topic can we get a definite is it somebody having uh what was that i didn't hear what was that noise this one from deej says in relation to the topic can we get a definite age grade from each debater on an appropriate age to teach sex and lgbt affirmation issues um and no age does there need to be uh affirmation issues as for sex ed i would put it at a senior year of high school in particular 11 first year middle school yeah i would say somewhere around there and in terms of affirming gender um especially if we're just talking about something like social if we're talking about something like social transition i don't see any reason uh to refuse to affirm someone um for like social transitioning just like wearing clothes that you associate with a different gender like i don't think there's anything inappropriate about that i think if you do that's sure but don't you think we should be teaching people that they should like be able to wear whatever clothes they want rather than like this is how you change your gender well yeah but i don't think that's the order of things usually i think it's usually like the people or it's usually kids who are like choosing those clothes and then eventually they they start to they go therapy and that's not something you learn from school that's not something you learn from school there's been trans people who have existed throughout a hundred hundreds of years they never learned it through school like they don't it doesn't need to be something that needs to be pedaled now on this one i'm going to go back on to what infrared said which is the cultural aspect of it and when you are in school public school system there is a lot more cultural exposure correct so saying that it could be sure and that's a conversation that you have with your parents and a professional not a teacher well so what if we're just talking about like like uh it's a history class and there's like a trans person a relevant trans uh historical figure do you think their transness is like like should be like like let's i mean like a gay person like Alan Turing i think i think like his gayness may not have mattered may not matter to you but i mean it was a pretty big impact on his life and that's part of his story um and it's it's an important part i mean that's different than sex ed to either gay or gay very much yeah that's different than sex ed that's just someone's that's just what happens we're not talking about sex ed yeah yeah hold on we didn't learn i didn't even learn about Alan Turing in school uh that's why it's completely like you know you don't children don't even know what need to know who he is basically bullshit fuck you haas that's the worst thing you've ever said yeah and and second of all you know the sexuality is it important to know i mean are we are we learning about people's personality every kid should know about RuPaul or are we learning about history and the contributions to science like gay and trans people are part of history i think it could be a side note right but i don't think that it should be like uh i don't know i mean i think that kids could should learn about like the stonewall riots but i don't think that they should be learning about the ins and outs of those identities you know what i mean just like vague mentions that are applicable this one coming in from do appreciate it right so sexualizing children is a problem should young children be wearing makeup to hide what they really look like and sexualize themselves like an ax like a uh let's say uh porn star if you think a child can sexualize themselves you're the one who needs to go to jail okay but i have the nine and eleven year old daughter they don't wear makeup to school they don't you know i don't think makeup should be encouraged or even agreed i agree actually i'm wearing makeup now but i agree with you yeah so that maybe like when they're like in high school later they can make that choice but like when you're talking about these very young ages it's kind of weird to like it is sexualizing young children yes it is i think maybe i don't know when i was 11 i started wearing eye letter in like a golf way not in like a sexy way so it's also just depending on how you use it right like if your daughter if your daughter was wearing many skirts and going to school with like fall season shit you'd be like uh but if you wanted to put on a bunch of like you know like like Harry Potter books and he even has Harry Potter glasses and yeah it's different it's different so it's not the point is it's not make makeup inherently it's like particular manifestations of wearing makeup like well i'm sorry but the john john benet ramsey kind of scenario yeah or like just over sex like hyper like bimbo hyper sexualization of children yeah yeah yeah yeah you got this one coming in from do appreciate your question plush 1993 says go ashley yes queen you strong caring passionate woman i'm so glad someone cares about an lgbtq abc suv writes what an inspiration i don't care if they're sincere or not i do support the community my nephew is transgender i'm at my sister's house now um his mother and it it was something i didn't understand until he came out and it was part of our family and it's opened my eyes and my heart and and i'm very passionate about it so whether that was the joke or a troll comment or not i don't give a fuck i do support i am an ally i'm wearing my bracelet right now you got it here we go thank you very much for your question this one coming in from justin says haas you've argued from the bible do you think rape victims should be forced to marry the rapist per deuteronomy 22 as property restitution how does the biblical view of women as inheritable property inform your opinions on sex ed yeah i think uh you have some interpretation problems why don't you go back and read it again and then come back to me when you understand the point because it kind of sounds like you're taking things at face value a little too literally and then second the bible is more about how you feel reading it than what it actually says right no no there is a science it's called hermeneutics look it up oh so you trust oh you trust science just not modern science so the words from my mouth laugh fuck you did specify modern science yeah there's there's science is just the system of knowledge yeah so like before we knew what was on like the inside of a body or like any of that like that's the science we should like before we yes yes yes before we knew that washing hands prevent an infection that's the science we want to work first of all people have not washed hands for thousands of years what had nothing happened nothing happened i know exactly what you smell like after hearing you say that haas nothing i have to wash my hands because we made a dirty world around hand washing but if we lived in like the ancient times where everything would be clean there'd be no need to wash your hands holy shit that's so true that's why the bubonic plague was like stomped out so quick and like you know typhoid fever and all those things are like you know on issues small yeah those don't really fake actually true all right troll bubonic plague denier this one coming in from squiggles says a taliban judge has spoken for horrific deaths that will be inflicted on homosexual people as sharia law returns to afghanistan as us slash nato troops withdraw it's fucked up that's made up you got it's real and it's really bad and like a lot of real people are gonna die probably so that's fucked up they say this this is a follow-up they say the taliban under sharia law is encouraging executions of homosexuals in afghanistan either you are talking from ignorance or you're not being sincere haas i'm looking for the source can't find it got worse let me tell them to see that we have the the last of the questions this name five name five gay people who have been killed by the taliban this one is from deej i think they're this is sincere so they're not trying to do a personal dig on you they said ashley how old is your transgender nephew 21 gotcha not sure why and he's been going through his uh journey since he was about 1314 you got it and that looks like it is it for our questions want to say folks our guests are linked in the description that includes if you're listening via the podcast we have our guest links in that description box as well one last thank you it's been a true pleasure to have our guests here tonight i'll be back in just a moment with a post-credits scene as there are a couple super chats that i was just too embarrassed to read their door and you want to know you guys there will be uh this one but one is a i'll be back in a moment well want to say one final thank you ashley radical coder lab and infrared it's been a true pleasure to have you tonight james thank you so much thank you guys everybody uh hashtag free haas get it going on twitter right oh real quick i did want to say lab um i'm going to ask james for your email address if that's okay so we can set up our thing yes yes yes yes yes let's do it perfect thank you thank you guys so much good night deal so i'll be back in just a moment folks stick around and there i am so want to say thank you guys very much for being here it has been a truly amazing debate let me just a little a couple little adjustments here in the old uh the old obs and then i got this fixed to one ready set full want to say my dear friends we are thrilled to have you here thanks so much for being with us want to say a couple of things in particular thanks for all of your support of modern day debate we appreciate you and i want to say hello to you there in the old live chat fishy one thanks for coming by as well as gunny bear thanks for dropping in theological introspection happy to have you here gill gum mesh thanks for dropping in i am fried chicken thanks for coming by texas for you x thanks for being with us mischievous manners thanks for coming by oh and that reminds me i was gonna read that super chat or two that someone said curly thanks for your super chat says uh james you're getting swole and you don't need a tank top to show it thanks for your kind words i appreciate that those are the ones that embarrass me i don't want to i don't want to read those in front of the guests because i want to keep the attention on the guests but i appreciate that although i got i let that one switch what was the the person that said i'll read your full super chat because light of the twin lamps thank you for your invitation to be your professor that's funny but yeah that one slipped through but yeah you are one sick puppy just like me light of the lamps i hope you're doing well thanks for all of your support light of the lamps and i don't know if you're here let me see if you're in the live chat light of the lamps because i felt bad light of the twin lamps that's what it was thanks for coming by we are glad you're here light you asked the other day what's my uh you asked what is my hygiene and exercise routine and i am such a basic bro all i do is like i said i told you i use that base derma roller for real it works and i also but i do love to work out every day i don't know if you i read that in an after show the other day i just want to be sure you got that because i appreciated you asking the other day and i did i forgot to read that in the post credit scene last time so want to say mistress of economic invincibility thanks for coming by i see you there as well question the answer is good to see you back thanks for dropping in the chat and such don't have good to see you calor lando thanks for your support through your channel membership seriously it really does mean a lot i seriously mean that and lisa gentile thanks for being with us in the old live chat i see you there as well as thanks for becoming a member welcome to extra juicy jupiter darman thanks for your support and that's right yeah folks we do have channel memberships that's a small way to support the channel as we are trying to do bigger and more amazing things in particular we want to do some in person debates with some big time peeps there's one that hopefully i'm gonna get a confirmation tomorrow this one seriously if i get a confirmation about it tomorrow i will put the event up tomorrow so keep an eye out because there may be a debate that pops up on our upcoming debates tomorrow that if you see it you'll be like oh my gosh is this real it is that big i will only say this it has our long time friend destiny and the topic is whether or not there's a satanic elite i'll let you guess who the opponent would be in that debate for destiny it would be one of our big i honestly think it would be the biggest debate we've ever hosted no joke i'm not exaggerating i think it would be the biggest live audience we have ever had which would have to be like probably five i think that we've topped out at four thousand before when we hosted vosh and destiny in person this one would maybe top that so this one no no joke i i think it probably would hit ten like not not ten probably like maybe five thousand live viewers by itself it would be the biggest debate it would knock your socks off you wouldn't even be able to handle it you would be so stimulated so intellectually stimulated and just like whoa it's gonna be that good my dough i see you there in the whole live chat says hashtag free haas and we hope well like i said we want to say we appreciate all over gas i feel pretty bad i gotta apologize to haas because i was so cranky at him because he showed up late but like i said i you know at first i was like haas where were you and i was like biting my teeth i was like grinding my teeth but i've got to say like i said i told him i was like ah you know what we're gonna forget it in like 20 minutes anyway but want to say we do appreciate you guys being here whether you be politically left politically right whether you be christian atheist agnostic muslim you name it we're glad that you are here whether you be or i think a lot of people it would be interesting we should put this in the old chat a lot of people say i'm just spiritual actually i feel like a modern day debate we don't i don't know if we have a ton of people that say that but in every day i feel like that's the convention that's almost like the default of people they usually say i'm i'm i'm spiritual but not religious whatever you are we hope you feel welcome and yeah i'm gonna say it's usually i would guess modern day debate is like 60 percent atheist i mean which is a huge percent if you think about it because atheists make up like 10 percent globally and so we have we are uh atheists i don't know it's like we're we're glad you're here and we hope you feel welcome as well if you're a christian or a muslim i don't know i think the atheist culture likes debate i don't know maybe that's why i don't know what do you guys think i you tell me especially if you're an atheist squiggles thanks for your super chat says authoritarians love the taliban haas is an author authoritarian communist education is the cure for authoritarian communist wow juicy well i wish he was still here you must be earlier in the debate because haas is gone so i can't ask him anymore but want to say thanks for that question and this one comes in from mic says this is the best channel brother thank you mic for your support and seriously we have some debates and some event stuff coming up this fall that may be so big that you would honestly just be blown away i'm serious so this one from manic pandas says james exercise routine is a hundred sit-ups a hundred push-ups a hundred squats that's funny no i it's actually i usually either lift or i i do more time now i just started getting into it i'm a total novice i'm a very i'm a beginner so i'm like totally brand new to it but yeah it's it's a lot of fun so i do enjoy it a lot but want to say you guys i am so pumped thank you guys for all of your support yeah we always forget to mention this cd i see you there in the whole live chat arcade outpost glad to have you here blueberry more thanks for dropping in baki moviegoer thanks for coming by and uh says destiny has been alluding to this well it's it's really close we almost had it booked we basically had it booked over the summer and then i went back to steven and we basically there was just a miscommunication it was nobody's fault nobody did anything wrong but we it fells through the cracks and i was like no it was like the biggest seriously it was it was i was like this would put modern day debate on the map like this is just gigantic and so we're really close to rebooking it tomorrow i'm reaching out to some people or a person in particular a contact to see if we can get this to happen because for real it just really would be big and i think modern day debate would just it would be a huge step for us so uh now rebel nazarene thanks for coming by glad to see a hake thanks for coming by spelled h a c h happy to have you with us as well as nicky thanks for coming by plush 1993 says when is it it would be late late october if it happens so it's not for sure and then sal sas thanks for coming by i see you there says atheists are usually more leaning towards academic content and seeking truth so debates are popular among them thanks for that as well as thanks for coming by delaney i see you there in the old live chat good to have you says my youtube channel information has discord account so you can keep messy keep messaging me well that's good to know and thanks for being with us as well as intra species says james i challenge you to a debate on soy nobody is a bigger soy expert than intra species i don't know that would have a little bit work i don't know if i could win that one i mean intra species she told me one time she was scheduled for a debate she showed up late she says sorry i just kind of i almost had a soy overdose last night things got crazy i was like all right oh whatever but i i've got to tell you we have so many it's true put ones in the chat if you're a soy boy i mean and hey we you know we're inclusive of everybody if you're a soy girl you could put a two if you're a soy they you can put a three how about that but want to say my dear friends for real whether you be a biden a biden backer a trump supporter a bernie bro whatever you are we hope you feel welcome no matter how far politically left no matter how far politically right we are welcoming everybody that is what has made modern day debate grow i sincerely believe that is that modern day debate is providing a new type of debate forum a new platform where everybody gets to make their fair shot on a level playing field that's important to us and the truth is youtube deserves a better class of debate channel and we're going to give it to them that's what we're excited about the future my dear friends there are big things happening at modern day debate we're in the background for real we are planning a lot we've got some big cool things all the ones in chat that's what he enters species put at 12 so that's like 12 that's that's one times 12 so it that's as soy as it gets ryan good to see you there in the old live chat i saw you put a one my boy a true soy boy and a boy with no face thanks for coming by as well as christoph good to see you there david happy to have you here as well as king clebold thanks for dropping in omega genesis happy to have you here says trust the soyants and get okay i can't read the rest of that but arcade outpost says then have warren balagon i don't know who that is i don't know i'm open to it now some people some people a couple people said get nick flentes on for this topic i reached out to nick i invited him either he's who knows maybe he's traveling maybe he's busy or maybe he just wasn't up for the debate who knows maybe sick i don't know but he i did reach out to him so a lot of people are like get nick i i've invited nick a lot and the truth is no matter what you think about nick's views is that i think i know a good debater when i see one nick's is strong debater and the truth is we want strong debaters from all sides so no matter how far politically left no matter how far politically right we're gonna have them on and it's probably gonna make some of the soy boys and soy girls don't worry interest species we didn't forget how it's you it's probably gonna make some of them cry in their soy flakes as they're eating breakfast every morning or soy fist as we call it but i've got to tell you we have to do it because if we say that we're open to everybody and we say that we're truly tolerant we really gotta walk the walk is the people who say uh you know i am so tolerant so tolerant and then we can't platform them well i don't know i mean hey are you gonna walk the walk are you gonna really do this thing because we're gonna do it this one from nominal thanks for your super chat says thanks for doing this thank you nominal seriously we appreciate it texas for you access christian prince is a ferocious debater the bane of islam well that's juicy and controversial i'm open to having him i could have sworn i reached out to him i think i might be wrong about that but i thought i reached out to him about a debate in the past but i could be wrong about that cd says i feel click debate i feel i feel click baited you know it's true i think the funny thing is when i put this event up this morning it was super late for because usually we put up a debate a few days early and i put up this event with the thumbnail that you guys have seen i'm sure and i thought i thought oh boy i was like this is pretty late and i don't even know we've never done this topic before this might be a little bit risky i was a little bit nervous about to be honest but then i saw we had like four there was like 20 people waiting after just 15 minutes of me putting the event up i was like what the and then i realized i know it's true people are excited about our guests because these are solid guests we have a great guest lineup tonight but also is i think a lot of people thought that we actually got the teacher from the thumbnail the unusually busty trans teacher we know we did it but radical coders said one day i'll be on the thumbnail well that's the real trick folks i mean that you know the picture of the the busty teacher there that was radical coder i you didn't know that that was before the transition but no i'm getting but we got to tell you yes cd says where's booba we really are i'm not joking about this i'm i'm 100 serious i'm going to look for that teacher's email and i'm going to invite that teacher on here so we like i'm like i told you i'm always working in the background to bring new guests on like big names and stuff and that's why i appreciate seriously your channel membership support so jupiter darman i see you there thank you for your support seriously that really means a lot arcade outpost says read my super chat to radical coder radical is it is pretty offensive you called him a bad word you called him the g word we can't go there right it's too bad you can't just say that but i'm going to tell you niki thanks for coming by we hope you're we hope you're doing well niki thanks for all your support and william christensen thanks for coming by but i gotta tell you here's the thing we really do we try to get new guests big new guests on all the time and that's important to us we all i'm not joking you guys think i'm joking i got a response from tiger king ones because i really did reach out to him this is like during the pandemic when tiger king you know it was a little bit it was kind of late maybe halfway into the pandemic and i i really no joke i found where tiger king was i sent him a letter where he was in prison because i think he's still in prison and i actually got a response back and he's like i'd really i he's like i'd honestly like to do it but i can't we we aren't allowed to use zoom for that long of a period to where you could have a debate i think they could like do 10 minutes or something but and so no joke we we i've tried i was going to try to get cosmic skeptic and tiger king so but that was supposed to be on uh whether or not it was ethical to to have animals like tigers like the way tiger king like had pets and stuff like the tigers because cosmic septic being a vegan or uh you know uh or uh you know like one of intraspecies types you know i we were like hey we could do this we could try we could see because you know cosmic cosmic would probably say no like leave the the big cats alone let them flourish and you know let them be free range big cats don't put them in the old cage but tiger king couldn't do it but no joke it's surreal i've got to find it i i stored it i i stored it because i thought it was so cool that i got a handwritten letter back from tiger king but i don't know where it is i can't remember i've got it somewhere uh now what i'm just like oh mom i'm like oh my gosh that was like the i hope i didn't throw that box away i think i've got it but anyway low end theory thanks for coming by says was that bro i didn't know you were doing something that i yes as a matter of fact we are we put like i said i put up the debate late and yeah we're going to look for that guest though we're going to look for the busty trans teacher that everybody wants to hear from uh especially cd in the live chat really sees a lot of you from them but want to say thank you guys for your support modern a debate is doing big things we are just super thankful for how things have gone and thank you and you guys you're the reason no joke you guys are the reason things have gone well thank you guys for your support for a truly a neutral platform as we have strived to make this a big deal we appreciate all of your guys's support seriously it means more than you know i can't thank you enough thanks for all of the likes for example you are at hundreds of likes or a 204 for the stream which is great and thanks for all of the shares if you have a group maybe you have a controversial friend maybe you have a friend that you know you can say things to that you don't normally say to other people because you know it's just so un you know politically incorrect so inappropriate maybe you have that friend this would be a great debate to share with 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it's encouraging for us thank you though no matter what way you support us whether it be patreon or channel memberships or hitting like or hitting share or just hanging out with us for real that helps us in the algorithm just even being here youtube is recommending more videos to people based on their similar likings for what you like and texas for you x thanks for coming by says thanks for the show keep them coming my pleasure as well as cd says shout out to subway amen to that i have my subway today so thank you appreciate that and perfect one says as i understand it you just need to have a paid for zoom account in terms of what i don't know what you mean but oh are you talking about oh no no no it was that tiger king he wasn't allowed to go on zoom for more than 10 minutes not because his zoom account had any problem it was because his the prison rules like he couldn't go on zoom for more than 10 so glad thanks for saying that character character 57 i see there in the old live chat thanks for coming by good to see a radical coder thanks for jumping in this debate delaney says this debate was my favorite at the beginning haas gets knocked let's see well we're glad that you enjoyed it thank you guys for all your support i love you guys we're excited about the future we're excited about the big things to come we appreciate all of your support as we continue to fulfill the vision of providing a neutral platform so that everybody can make their case on a level playing field we're sticking to our values of giving everybody a fair shot that's important to us we know what's important to you as well so join the vision as we continue to expand this platform as moderated eight becomes the premier debate platform for youtube thanks for all of your guys support and we will see you at the next one which is tomorrow night as i said you don't want to miss this one my dear friends i'm excited about this at the bottom right of your screen shawn last returns as well as teft had 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