 So next let's deal with Romans because that that pretty much follows on from Galatians in terms of a lot of the same themes Come about in both Romans and Galatians I will concentrate a little bit more on Romans 8 But if I can I'm gonna try and skim through Romans a bit a bit quicker because we have dealt with Galatians really There's nothing remarkably new to bring up here. So He's got this video the Romans road to salvation is a life straight from Helen You may be familiar that a lot of people use that the Romans road as it's called when when preaching the gospel It's not really a technique that I use because I tend to focus on The certain points that I'm getting across If you see my video the simple way to heaven that in a nutshell that that's how I'd explained somebody start by explaining the Reciner then explaining that Jesus died from then explaining they receive it by faith who ever believes and then I explain the Chastisement of believers and what happens if a Christian sins after they believe just just to help clarify that With people although that last bit is not so much about the gospel of salvation itself It just helps to clear misunderstandings and objections people might have to the gospel. So and as you can imagine You see when you see Romans road in my head I just imagine well someone starts with a roughly what happened in chapter 1 then you go to chapter 2 and chapter 3 So, you know, there's these reprobates you you know, you judge but then You know, it's justification by faith and so on and so on So I imagine it kind of flowing that way But naturally as we expect a PUC on to do that. That's not how he reads the Bible He starts with Romans 16, which is like getting towards the end of the book Then well, there's a reference from Peter, which is not in Romans. So I'll just skip that one But then he goes to Romans 6 then he goes back a chapter to Romans 5 Then he's going to Romans 10 and then he's going to Romans 8 and then he's See where else he goes with this You see he's just going in like a really random order and then we're going back to Romans 3 So it's just like forwards backwards forwards backwards. Well, well, that's not how Paul wrote the letter Again, you can't just read it like a normal letter He has he has to flip and read the Bible like that because that's the only way he his gospel can make Any remote sense whatsoever? So there you go So what I'm going to do is I'm going to just briefly talk you really quickly through the first seven chapters of Romans and then we'll focus on chapter 8 and then there's something else I want to pluck out from a later chapter about the issue of the branches being being rooted or plucked out because that will then tie in with What I'm going to start talking about John 15. So let's just get through this Romans 1 we work our way down. Paul does his introduction. It's to all that be of Rome So it's addressed to saints Christians believers Here are there in everywhere in Rome. Okay And further down it is then although he's talking to Saved people you might argue. He's already talking to the saints. He does obviously in this epistle deal Extensively with gospel related issues now so often on my channel I've often pointed out like well look this book isn't written to deal with eternal life But we know that from what Paul's writing around. It's a generally gospel themed letter So we can't just say it's addressed to save people Therefore, it's not relevant to the gospel in this case Because it seems to be what he's intentionally Writing about is it as he starts to introduce here in 15 and 16 He also says I am ready to preach the gospel to you are at Rome. So that might mean that We don't obviously all the background behind that but you know, there were still some Romans Maybe it was quite a young fellowship of people So there's a lot of people that still need to understand the gospel and Paul needs to clarify a few few things So that they don't end up with what what happened to the Galatians where where false Judaizers were coming in essentially so You know, you perhaps it was just a bit of perhaps a younger congregation perhaps for all we know So therein is the righteousness of God verse 17 revealed from faith to faith as it is written The just shall live by faith so just in case there's any verses that EPUCM wants to pluck out about works for heaven is Started it fairly early in his book there. The just shall live by faith case closed. That's what Paul said And for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold the truth In unrighteousness and I want you to look carefully some of the What what exactly Paul's saying in some of these verses that I've highlighted is so the wrath of God is revealed Against all ungodliness, which yeah, you could say sin fine and unrighteousness meant again fine But there's a specific caveat here a specific thing about these men It's they hold the truth in unrighteousness So it's not just well, they reject the truth because they've kind of got their own truth You know, they've got their own but they actually hold the truth, but they hold it in unrighteousness Okay, they're very important that you understand that because of some obey words that are gonna come out in chapter 2 that EPUCM will try manipulate you with So keep reading and I have it then goes on to flip it So we've got us that well, you know that the righteous that he's addressed his letter to those that live by faith But we then flip that and we're now talking about those who hold the truth and unrighteousness That the and this is what you might call the reprobate mind as he goes on to explain in this chapter And so it then goes on to explain about these Reprobates that the invisible things have got a clearly displayed, you know, they're without excuse essentially They did know God so when they knew God it doesn't say they were saved but they knew God Glorified him not as God neither were thankful but became vain in their imaginations their foolish heart was dark And so these are not just a bunch of pagans who don't know anything about God People who know about at least the God of the Bible and reject him They they hold the truth, but they hold it in unrighteousness Okay, and he does have to explain that again, there's this Jew and Greek thing going on here So, you know, there could be a lot of Jews in this camp here that because they're Jewish They think they hold the truth, but but they hold it in unrighteousness. Okay You'd go a bit further down and in verse 25 again It's similar wording to what used up here that they hold the truth and unrighteousness. Well now he says They've changed the truth of God into a lie. So it's not just that again It's not just that they reject the truth. They just don't like the truth They've got their own truth and they just believe different things. No, they've changed the truth of God into a lie Okay, so they took the truth and changed it and hold it in unrighteousness Very very important. You understand that because of some of the language that's gonna come out in the next chapter. All right So the rest of this chapter is just explaining These reprobates they do all of these wicked evil things and and the judgment of God is against them because they do those Wicked things. All right, so following all the things that he's described about about the reprobate mind and what they do He then says therefore you are inexcusable. Oh, man. Oh, man Who so ever that thou art so again? This is some context that you can miss from modern Bibles because they don't use the these and the vows But you know, he does have the who so ever they're just in case so he's not writing to all Of the Romans and say well if all you Romans are judging these people and you're doing these same things This isn't about the Romans as a group. It's not even necessarily about one specific trouble cause Within the Romans as it as we saw what was was the case in Galatians because this is just who so ever you are So this is just anybody to whom any individual person to whom this applies So that's very similar to when when he said in Galatians he that Lives by the flesh or he that lives by the spirit. It's just he whoever he is or you whoever you are Okay, so this is a hypothetical Question in essentially or well point that he's making somewhat somewhat rhetorical so then Think think you this oh man that judges them which do such things So this is someone who's judging other people as if they do all these wicked things But then he points to that person whoever is thinking that and saying do you do the same? And then do you think that you shall escape the judgment of God? Okay, so again, they want to make that all about works, but we've already seen that the just shall live by faith He already explained that in chapter one just in case you missed it. So again, this is not an individual Reclaiming or keeping his salvation. It's just if you're judging them by the evil works that they do If you do those things you are yourself Subject to that to the judgment of God because you do those same things while you're pointing the finger at everybody else Okay, and then he and then he says he extends this is rhetorical question Or do you despise the riches of his goodness and the forbearance and longsuffering not knowing that the goodness of God Leads you to repentance. So it's not that well You've turned from all your sins and you've laid down the drink and you're not doing all of these things Which you judge other people know it's the goodness of God that leads you to repentance and again Epiucion always makes that about repentance from all of your sins, but it doesn't say off sins It just says repentance and it's the noun So it's the state of repentance. The goodness of God leads you whoever you are to repentance. Okay It's not your obedience. It's the goodness of God. Okay, and that makes perfect sense If it's just whosoever believe and it doesn't make sense if you've got to play some part in it And then but then he says again, it's this hypothetical person that is addressing here to whomever this would apply But after your hardness and impenitent heart Treasure up against yourself wrath against the day of wrath and the revelation of the righteous Judgment of God who will render every man according to his deeds and again, they'll point that verse and we'll see well There is well, you know because it says deeds you'll you'll be judged by deeds not by faith But again, keep reading. Okay, this hasn't yet addressed whether a man actually believes the gospel It's just a man who judges other people while he himself does this same thing And actually if if you're reading your Bible in New Testament in order You would have read the gospel of John before you got to Romans and you would have seen that in John chapter 8 specifically I've done a video on John 8 before that Jesus was addressing in Jews who they thought they were in bondage to No man, they thought they were without sin Jesus was telling them otherwise. Okay, so having that background would kind of explain What what Paul's really talking about here as well So then he'll render every man according to his deeds or his works. Well, well, just keep reading. Okay, don't stop there So to them who buy patient continuance in well-doing seek for glory on it in immortality Eternal life. So this is a verse where Epiucion takes that to mean that you've got to be doing works For your eternal life. So in his video absolute death blow to the grace We've looked at this video before this is where he about 16 minutes 44 in this is where he points out that verse And so he's arguing that God shows no partiality So if he's gonna judge what he's taking that verse to mean there is that if God's gonna judge Unsaved people by their works presumably he's gonna judge saved or believers by their works as well Well, we'll get to that in a moment But let's just focus on what's wrong with the way that he's quoting this verse about about Seeking glory and honor and and again, he thinks this is well-doing and patience. Okay. Well, again, let's look at what the verse actually says to them who are patient Continuance in well-doing and when it says well-doing it's not really giving you any Clarifications to what the well-doing is being done. Okay, it just says they continue in their well-doing whatever that happens to be Well, what is it about them? It's that they seek for glory honor in immortality Eternal life. So it's not that they're earning eternal life. It's not that they're working for eternal life It's not that they have eternal life because they have done well. It's there. They're seeking for glory They're seeking for honor. They're seeking immortality and Jesus himself said asking you shall receive seeking you will find Okay, if somebody wants eternal and they want to seek it They can have it. Okay, so that's all you can really take out of that verse that you cannot make work salvation out of that One tiny little verse and just completely ignore everything else that Paul is gonna explain in great detail in this book about how We're justified onto righteousness by faith Without works. Okay. So again, it's so easy to just take a verse out. Well, it does say seek It doesn't say earn or work. They seek it. Okay, that's why it's given on to them What's the problem? Well, if we read the next verse with the other lot, well, they're contentious They do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness indignation and wrath So again, a pucion takes words like obey. That's that's what he does here He takes these obeying words and you see you've got to obey the commandments of Jesus And you've got to be following this New Testament law Well, no, he doesn't say obey the law or obey the Christ law or the New Testament law or the love law Or he says obey the truth. Well, what does he mean obey truth? Or or or they they obey unrighteousness rather. Well, we saw it from chapter 1 They've changed the truth of God into a lie. Okay, they hold the truth in Unrighteousness, okay, so it's not that they're doing all of these naughty things and you know, they're doing too many naughty things But they are believers, but you know, they just won't stop doing these naughty things for some reason They hold the truth, but they hold it in unrighteousness They've changed the truth of God into a lie and actually Epucion apologetics and people like him are part of that camp because when I when I if I'm giving the gospel to somebody I Can use the words of the Bible that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life I just use the words that Jesus used I don't have to dress it up and talk it up and rephrase it. I just quote those verses. So there you go Whoever believes that's what he says people like a Pucion and himself What they have to tell you is repent of your sins to be saved funny Cuz when I open my Bible, there is no verse that says that verbating now There are verses that they'll try and turn and twist to make it say that but there's no verbating verse That says repent of your sins or here's another one How about these people who say you must surrender your life to Jesus and make him the Lord of your life? Well again, can we have a chapter in verse that says that verbating? No Yeah, you can point to a verse that you want to twist to make it say that but you haven't got a verbating verse You see when I believe that salvage is by faith when I believe that it's just by believing I've got verbating verses that say those things you haven't got verbating verses that say Surrender your life to Christ or repent of your sins because you see For people like a Pucion when they have a false gospel, they can't just quote the words of Jesus They've got some add their own words and try and dress it up and rephrase what the Bible actually says To make it say what their gospel says why because they they do hold the truth. They have the Bible They know where those verses are but they've changed it. Oh, well, you need to repent of your sins Oh, well, you need to surrender your life to Christ. No, it's it's while we were yet Soon as Christ died for us as Roman Romans watch the explain later. Okay, Christ died for us We don't surrender our life to Christ when we were dead in sin that makes no sense You don't turn from all of your sins to be saved because it just says repent and it says repent and believe the gospel It's perfectly consistent with John's gospel, which didn't tell you to turn from your sins So if we have to turn from our sins to be saved, you've got to tell Jesus why he preached a false gospel to multiple people in John's gospel. Okay, so That's what it means there by obey on righteousness. They they know what the truth is but they don't obey it They change the truth. That's the problem. That's what it means by obey the truth If you believe you have to surrender your life to Christ to be saved You're not obeying the truth if you believe you have to do the works of the law or some kind of big long list of works to be Saved you are not obeying the truth You've changed the truth into a lie because the truth says whosoever believe in him The truth says by grace through faith not of works. That's what the truth says folks deal with it Okay, so there's that get that off my chest and then again is explaining There's this Jew first and then there's the Gentile business because the Jews they have the word of God They've had the light shed on them more than any other nation on the planet at that particular time So, you know, they're the ones that are going to be judged first essentially according, you know to the standard of God So and again, there's this verse where it says glory on a piece to every man that works good to the Jew first And also to the Greek. Well, let's just keep reading Let's just not pluck that verse out of context and say well, so you see there is work Do you wait ever know let's actually keep reading get the whole context of what Paul is saying here There's no respect of persons with God and this is the one where it might say God shows no partiality or no favoritism in some translations So what he argues in this video is that because God shows no partiality if the unsaved Non-believing world is going to be judged by their works Then the saved believers will also be judged by their works by the exact same measure And so they can go to hell just as much as the non-believer can because of the fact that of these works Okay, why what what's the logic? Well, it's apparently because God is not a respecter of persons or shows no favoritism But the thing is about that though folks is that God himself said that if you believe you shall not die You shall have life everlasting So if if if you're justified by faith without works and you're going to heaven based on what you believe not because of what you do That's not God showing favoritism to you because it's God that set that standard It's not man that came with well if we just believe you know God said whosoever believe it It's it's God that set that standard So God is not respecting persons if he only accepts those who follow the gospel the way that he told him to follow So that's where that argument for falls apart immediately So for as many as have sinned and that's again past tense have sinned up to now It's not whether they it's not really dealing with keeping on sinning or do sin But they have sinned without the law shall perish without the law But have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law So well, guess what all have sinned and come short of the glory of God He explained that in the next you know later in this this letter So it says here for the heat for not the hearers of the law or just before God But the doers of the law shall be justified and again This is another verse where people are gonna jump on that verse and make that you've got to obey the law to be saved But what law is he talking about here? He's talking about Old Testament law really because he hasn't introduced any kind of new law here He's not mentioned that subject an Epi Eusion even said himself. Well, we're not justified by the Old Testament law That's what Paul is arguing about Well, since he's just using the word law over and over again And he continues to use the words law in all of the verses that Epi Eusion wants to say it's about Old Testament law Well, guess what this is Old Testament law as well Okay, so you cannot pluck that verse and make it you've got to obey the law to be saved You are an idiot if you believe that because it goes against what Paul is about to explain As this book continues again, if you just keep reading So yeah, if you want to be justified by all means be a doer of the law But then he already explained At the beginning of the chapter you judge everybody else when you do the same things whoever you are, okay? So that falls apart immediately because here's the problem. Nobody does the law. Okay? That's why that verse doesn't work for salvation now It could if you did that the problem is you don't do it folks And if you've ever broken the law in the past you fall under that category. It's as simple as that You can't say well now I'm obeying the law. No because it's all have sinned without the law or have sinned in the law Okay, you have sinned period So then the Gentiles which don't have the law they don't obviously know the law of God So they're they're judged they still have conscience But they will be judged without the law as Paul has previously explained whereas the Jews will be judged by the law That's why again, it's the Jew first order to the Gentile not going to explain that massive detail now And then behold you are called to do so this you whoever you are Whosoever thou art that do this is still we're still on the thou. Okay? We're still on this So what is primarily dealing with this chapter here is Jewish people who rest in the law boast before God and And they they're glorying in the flesh that but now they're confident in themselves that they're a guide to the blind and a light Which to them they're in darkness they they boast in themselves that they're in an instructor to the foolish and so on and so On and the truth of the law so the hypothetical Jewish man here is boasting about all of these things But again, Paul says a similar thing to In verse 21 and 22 that he explained at the beginning of the chapter. Okay, that okay You teach another not to do these things, but do you do these things? Well, the thing is we know that everybody has done these things. Okay all have sinned Paul will explain that later It in this epistle not not long after this. Okay, so here's the problem when Paul saying earlier in this chapter You know works and deeds and all this kind of stuff And you've got to do the law to be justified you've got to work good. Okay? Well, here is the problem. You're boasting in the law, but you don't meet the requirements of the law Okay, and so the name of God is blasphemed among in the among the Gentiles through you as it is written Circumcision profits nothing so again the this Jew this man that Paul's addressing hypothetical is Making a big thing about circumcision and we all need to be circumcised Well, if you believe that you're a debtor to the whole law you've got to do the whole law But you don't meet the law as he's explaining here because do you do these same things? Well, if you're honest, you'll say yes, here's the problem. Nobody obeys the law Which is why obeying the law for salvation doesn't work This isn't complicated folks And so it's so easy to just take a verse and say we'll see you there It is case closed. Epi Eucion wins again, but if you just read the whole thing no, he's completely wrong about it Okay, and he contradicts himself when he says that you're not justified by the Old Testament law You justified by New Testament law because we haven't gotten to some such subject here So if he's just saying low low low low low and he's predominantly dealing with somebody who is called a Jew Well, guess what buddy Old Testament law? So it's the doers of the law that shall be justified. Nobody does the laws So again work salvation crumbles like a house of cards here So continuing where Paul left off in chapter 2 because remember that the chapter numbers wouldn't have existed when Paul wrote the letter So we're just carrying on the same thought he then has to explain, you know There were some that did not believe but it didn't make the faith of God without effect And then look what it says here that you might be justified in your sayings and might overcome when you are judged So, okay Well, we're judged by works as he explained in the previous chapter fine But then you might overcome and he's going to explain how you overcome Okay, because here's the problem is he's going to explain all this here There's none that does good none is righteous. Nobody meets the requirements of the law now Epiucion tries to take this where it says there's none righteous. No, not one And he says stop applying this to people who are believers. This is before we believed But the thing is we're still on the topic of Old Testament law because he's just invented this New Testament law that we have To suddenly obey. It's just not there folks. Okay. We're just carrying on with the same law that Paul's been talking about You have to do the law to be justified by it, but nobody does that's the point that he's explaining here. Okay So that's why the deeds of the law no flesh shall be justified in God's sight because all it does is the law Just brings knowledge of your sin. Okay, so the righteousness of God is by faith And it's all of them that believe so you can't then say well You're you're telling that you're saying that God has special respect if you let us all of these believers into heaven when you know They haven't tied it up their life yet. Well, the thing is the righteousness of God is by faith. That's that's God's issue It's not mine. So it's not respect of persons. That's the standard that God plays So you either meet that standard or you don't and if God's not a respect of persons Well work salvation see you're not gonna work So and then again all have sinned come short of the glory of God justified freely by his grace So again free justification. So you can't say it's by works because then it's not free. It's not it's grace And then it's explaining that Jesus is the justifier. So, you know, you believe in him That's your justification. Well justification onto what? Well, it's onto righteousness as Romans 3 explains and Romans 4 explains And we're not even gonna have to look at Romans 4 in any great detail because we already dealt with that when we dealt with James chapter 2 Which is a different type of justification because James wasn't talking about being justified by the law So I'm sorry justified for righteousness by the law So that's I'm skimming through Romans 3 pretty quickly there Romans 4 we've again already addressed that with James 2 so we can just Carry on. So then we get to Romans 5 continuing on the same theme and just taking an absolute machine gun to work salvation So we're justified by faith. Well now we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ Well, these conditional security folk They don't have any peace because their salvation and any given days only as good as their own opinion of their own obedience And so by whom we have access by faith into the grace wearing we stand and rejoice in the hope of the glory of God So we rejoice we have hope in the glory of God because it's by faith into this grace. Okay, this is all the grace It's all faith. Okay, it's not you turned from your sins. It's faith and it's grace. That's what we rejoice in the hope, okay? And here it is the is the golden one God commended his love Towarders in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us So while we were yet sinners we repented of all of our sins and then Christ died for us You know because it's always repent of your sins first Then it's believed for some weird reason when they preach that gospel nope while we were yet sinners Christ died for us That's how we solve the sin problem. You didn't solve it by your turning from all of your sins Christ died You don't surrender your life to Christ to be saved. That is the stupidest gospel ever Okay Christ died for us. That's what the real gospel says and so now being justified by his blood So it's Christ blood the covering for sin. We look to all that Hebrews 10 stuff. We shall be saved. There's a definite one for you It's not should be saved might be saved shall be saved. There's your definite So we shall be saved from wrath through him So you want to point to Romans 2 with all of those little verses that unit picked about how we're going to be judged According to our works and we've got to be doing well Well, you know funny because we'll be saved from wrath through him not through our suddenly doing good works So yes, God will judge according to works, but we shall be saved from wrath through him There you go. Perfectly simple when you just keep reading Paul's letter and just take it in the entirety of what it says And so he explains a few more points here For is good one for until the law sin was in the world But sin is not imputed when there is no law and what did he say in Galatians? You are not under the law. So if you're not under the law, sin is not imputed because you say what happens is when when you have certain verses in the Bible about how we're set free from sin and Epiucione always makes that about how you've got to stop sinning But that's not him making you free from sin. That's just you turning from your own sins So that that doesn't even work anyway, but here it is sin is not imputed Okay, because you're not under the law Now if you sin the chastisement of believers explains that we already looked at that all the way back in Hebrews We already sort of down. We don't need to go back up over old ground So if you still sin then that deals with that issue But as far as righteousness is concerned if you're not under the law No sin can be imputed because there's there's no law to impute you with okay That's the premise of the argument here and again There's that liberty that he was talking about in Galatians And here it is again for not as the effect offense, but is the free gift? Well, you can't work for something that's a free gift that doesn't work either It's a free gift or it's not it's as simple as that And so the fence of one many be dead much more the grace of God and the gift of grace which is by one man It's not by you turning from your sins It's by one man Jesus Christ and what Jesus Christ did has a bound to many okay? And not as it was by one that sin so is the gift for the judgment was of one to condemnation But the free gift is of many offenses onto justification look at that many offenses the free gift onto justification So it's the free gift that covers your many offenses. It's not you turning from your sins that covers your many offenses Therefore as by the offensive one judgment came upon all men to condemnation even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men Onto justification of the lapses just saying the same thing worded slightly differently It's Christ that came into the world and he dealt with your sin. He's the justification onto life your filthy rags Your works your obedience. I don't care. How many sins you've turned from that's not your justification on to life Because it's what Christ did and it's the free gift that he gave case closed Okay, and James is not talking about these concepts because it's a different kind of justification and Here's the key one get this if you if you still want to harp on this old boring repent of your sins gospel for as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners so by the obedience of One shall many be made righteous. Oh, well, you need to be turned from your sins to be right No, it's the obedience of one and you're not that one. Jesus Christ is that one get over it That's a sinners rained on to death even so might grace Rains through righteousness onto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. So again, it's the grace that persists your eternal life It's the grace that keeps your righteousness going It's not your perpetual repentance that keeps your eternal life on going here folks It's grace. It's faith and it would just he can say it as many times as he wants Epiucion just won't get it. Well dreams to what you mean that one verse about faith being dead You've got one verse and we've got entire chapters and you want to just take that one verse and completely redo these chapters Instead of reexamining that one verse in light of all of these chapters. Yeah, that verse of course Yeah, so keep flying through Romans. We'll slow down just a little bit for Romans 6 and 7 But Paul does ask this hypothetical question. Shall we sin that grace may abound now they'll often take that verse and That you know because they want to say again Well, Paul did say this so then you can't say that, you know, you can't turn from your sins You must be you know completely turned from all of your sins because Paul says here shall we sin God forbid Let's not do it. Well, that's fine. But the thing is though Yes, we agree with that. Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound God forbid that that's Paul argument We shouldn't just continue in sin just because grace abounds, but that doesn't change The hypothetical question shall we continue in sin that grace may about you see if grace doesn't abound where sin abounds Then the question makes no sense So yes, we shouldn't continue in sin, but that doesn't change the fact that grace abounds though Okay, very important that you understand that that going into this so he explains. Well, you were dead to sin You were baptized into Jesus's death. So the buried with him in baptism Christ was raised up from the dead and so net we should walk in newness of life Why because Christ has been raised from the dead and in red there He gives it gives more reasoning as to why saying this you see he doesn't say anywhere here that you need to do This to maintain your salvation He's giving your reasons why he's telling you to do this for if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death We shall also in the likeness of his resurrection We're on to collective language now because we've got we and we've also got you plurals We're not we're not dealing with the the and the vow that we had in Romans chapter 2 So then he explains that our old man is crucified with him that the body of sin might be destroyed now You're still in this body. Okay But he's arguing we should not serve sin because we should reckon ourselves dead to sin now at the moment It perhaps doesn't make a lot of sense yet. What he's talking about in Roman 6 he explains it more in Roman 7 But the point that Paul's gonna get across to you in it throughout Roman 6 and 7 is that you've got two Issues here. You've got the flesh and you've got the spirit. Okay now What you must understand is that even if you're saved your flesh is still dead, okay? You are not now in a glorified state all of a sudden. You're still in dead flesh The flesh has been crucified with him. So you're still getting older. You're still dying and this flesh still has a sinful nature Now again, we delved into this when we dealt with Galatians So the premise of Paul's argument here is that well now that you're saved We have life so we have that hope of eternal life as Paul's been explaining up to now We have a hope but we are still in this sinful flesh. So then what do we do? Well, shall we continue in sin that Grace may about will know what we should do is we should reckon ourselves dead to sin So the old man is crucified Now if we're dead in Christ, we believe we don't work We believe that we shall also live with him. So knowing that Christ is raised from the dead Dies no more death has no more dominion over him. Okay For in that he died he died on to sin once but in that he lives he lives on to God and so likewise So just as Christ was raised on to life and death has no more hold on him You're in that same camp death has no more hold on you night now You're still in a body of death, but death has no more hold on you. Okay, so again, this is why Conditional security doesn't really work But the point that is getting across to you is that yes, you're in sinful flesh But because you now have this spirit you should reckon yourselves to be dead So it's as if you're you're trying to live out as if you your body was already dead Okay, because once your body dies your spirit is not bound to sinful flesh anymore And in your future resurrected body, you won't have a flesh that wants to sin anymore But we're still in that state of quandary at the moment Okay, we've got the flesh lusting against the spirit and the spirit lusting against it. We've got that problem now Okay, we won't have the problem in the future, but we have it now So the point of what he's trying to get across to you here is even though you're in sinful flesh Reckon as if it were dead. Okay, so just assume that it was already dead So that you then crucify the flesh and you don't just continue on sinning because that's what your body wants to do But you should imagine it as if your body is already dead even though technically it's not yet. Okay So then that's why he says don't yield your members onto righteousness, but yield yourselves onto God Okay, since shall shall not have dominion over you. Why because you're not under law, but under grace Okay, so again, this is all explaining what why he's telling you these things So when Jesus Christ said the Sun shall make you free indeed It doesn't make you free from ever wanting to sin that you will never sin again That's not the argument But it sin won't have dominion over you anymore You now have a spirit that can wrestle against the flesh and you now have the hope of life everlasting. Okay Now that he asks a very similar question in verse 15 that he asked at the beginning of the chapter Shall we sin because we're not under the law, but under grace. No, we shouldn't God forbid may it never be And then he says no you not that to whom you yield yourself servants to obey his servants You are to whom you obey whether of sin and death or of obedience onto righteousness Well, this is a verse that people will take and they'll make that about your life now that if you're still Struggling with sin and you haven't successfully turned from all of your sins yet. You're still serving Unrighteousness and there's a similar thing in John chapter 8 that they take as well about being being the servant of sin Is it John chapter 8 or 1 joy? It's one or I think it might be both. There's something about he could commit sin Is a servant of sin but again keep reading but God be thanked that you were the servants of sin But you have obeyed well you have obeyed the law you have obeyed the commandments You have obeyed all the things that we're told you to do well No, you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered to you Okay, so it's the it's the doctrine that set them free they obeyed from their heart Which is really synonymous with? Believings it's in the heart the form of doctrine. Well, how do you obey doctrine? Well, you have to believe the right doctrine, okay? Because it's doctrine. It's not commandments So we and we already saw that you know much earlier in Romans that we've got the truth and then we've got those who hold the truth in Unrighteousness we want to hold the truth in righteousness So then be made free from sin and again. Well, what is it here? It's it's the death of sin that the consequences of sin sin reigning over you That's what you're made free from you became past tense the servants of righteousness now again Why is he telling these things and if they think about this just think this through okay? If they were the servants of sin, but then they became servants of righteousness that that happened in the past Why does he need to tell them this about not sinning so that they're under grace because he's not dealing with losing salvation It's not even what he talks about really It's it's because I speak after the man of men because of the infirmity of your flesh Okay So even as you have yielded your members to uncleanness and from to iniquity on to iniquity Even so now now yield your members servants to righteousness and holiness. Sorry. I think there's a lot of traffic going by at the moment So you were servants of sin you were free from righteousness What fruit had you then in those things where you are now ashamed the end of those things is death But now being made now being made free from so again Don't just read there and stop there about that the death thing keep reading now being made free from sin and Become the servants of God now you have now your fruit on to holiness in the end everlasting life It's not you will get your fruit You must work your fruit you have your fruit But we know that the wages of sin is death for the wages for his death But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord and notice The opposites the opposite while that there's the sin. That's the cause of the death. But what's the opposite? It's not not sinning. It's the gift of God. So the opposite of the sin is the gift of God It's not repenting from sin. That's not the opposite of sin the gift of God is the opposite of sin So again, it's all what Christ has done. So what God has done So the point that Paul's getting here is yes, you are saved. Yes, you are under graze Don't use that as an excuse to sin though. That's the point that he's getting across. Okay So that that you know, you can't make that about losing salvation It's just it's not what he's talking about one of the premises here about being freed from sin Is that death has no more to mean? You see if you need to be careful that you don't sin because you might lose your salvation But there's a part of you that wants to sin still you can't really say that you freed from sin Okay And you can't even say that God has freed you from sin because really it's your works that freeing you from your sin Not God's grace. Okay, but it's God that freed you from your sin That does that doesn't at the moment take away your your flesh they want to send the flesh is still there Which is the whole point of why he's trying to get this chapter across to you But the consequences the dominion of sin the the judgment of sin the law of sin That's what you're freed from because that's what he's been arguing quite consistently in his chapters up to now Okay, now then Roman 7 really helpful for you because it all the stuff that you didn't quite understand about Roman 6 Roman 7 sorts it all out So do you not know brethren for I speak to them that know the law how that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives Well, he's already explained that this group. They're not under the law. Okay, they're under grace So, you know, don't take that out of context, but again this body still subject to the law It's still dying because of its sins. Okay You are also it goes on to further explain you are also become dead to the law by the body of Christ So again, yeah, the law has dominion as long as a man lives, but you are already dead to the law married to another Okay, well for what reason well We were past tense in the flesh the motions of his sin which were by the law did work in our members to bring forth death So we we were under that condition bringing forth death But again now we are delivered from the law that being dead wherein we were held We should serve in the units of the spirit and not not the oldness of the letter. Okay, so Um He'll clarify a bit later about what exactly that means if we just keep progressing through the chapter So he explained some things about how the law exposed his sin that he realized it was sin because of of the law But he still has the flesh that wants to do those things We know that the law is spiritual, but he says I am carnal present tense solves under sin And the reason I make a show of highlighting that is that a lot of people want to take them to say Well, it's just when Paul was mentioning when he was a Pharisee You know he was talking about before he got saved But that doesn't really fit the words that Paul's been talking about. He's not mentioned His faracical life here. It's just not part of it. People just invent that because they don't want to acknowledge what this chapter says He is carnal sold under sin And he goes on to explain why Okay for I uh that which I do I allow not for what I would that I do not but what I hate that I do So he knows he should be doing this and he knows he shouldn't be doing this But he's doing this instead of that. That's kind of what he's saying there in a nutshell So if then I do that which is I would not I consent that the law is good This is what he's consenting to here. It's not that we obey the law to be saved But he consents that the law is good. Okay, and the law is good. Okay. Yes We're not under the law, but the law is good and it is spiritual. Okay And now then this this is a key point here now then it is no more I that do it But sin that dwells in me so all of this stuff where he's doing what he should not be doing He's doing what he would allow not that's his flesh still doing those things the sin that dwells in him He's doing that. I'm not he himself. So it doesn't affect his salvation. It doesn't take away salvation It's his sinful flesh that that wants that is doing those things the sin that dwells in him Okay, for I know that that is in my flesh that's in his flesh Dwells no good thing. Okay for to will this present within me But how to perform that which is good. I find not for the good that I would do I do not but the evil which I would that I do so What what this is kind of explaining is a bit like in Galatians where he said the spirit is Against the flesh and the flesh against the spirit. This is just a much more Explained way of saying that same thing. Okay, it's very similar theme. It's just in much more detail Um, so then uh No more I that do it but the sin that dwells in me I then find a law that when I would do good evil is still present within me So he's still describing now evil is present within me. Okay now We reckon ourselves dead to sin but evil is still present within me He's trying to explain all of what is explained to them in roman 6 For I delight in the law of god after the inward man So it's the inward man that delights in the law because the flesh has already failed the law The flesh can't obey the law the flesh doesn't even want to obey the law The flesh wants to do all the things that the law he said is wrong The inward inward man recognizes that the law is good the law is spiritual. Okay, so he's seeing these these two Sort of things going on here these two laws in effect There's the law of his mind that the the spirit his new mind But then there's this still this law of sin this this body of captivity So that you can see again the spirit and the flesh wrestling against each other there Um, and then he sort of exclaims it. Oh wretched man. Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? Okay, and then watch what he says just as the finale in verse 25 So then with my mind I serve the law of god But with the flesh the law of sin So he still says that his flesh still follows the law of sin Well, you've got to be free from all of yours And you've got to know because the flesh still obeys the law of sin So understand that any sins that you're struggling with as a christian That's your flesh that's struggling with that it's the flesh that's still under that law of sin The flesh is still that servant of sin. Okay, it's your spirit that's born again That's why Jesus said you must be born in spirit to be saved. That's what that means Okay, so it's got nothing to do with doing works to be saved. It's it's quite the opposite It's trying to explain the spirit in you is the aspect of you that doesn't sin and follows the law of god It's the flesh in you that still disobeys the law and obeys the law of sin. Okay So now we're on to romans 8 And I think a lot of what he says actually hangs on some of the verses in here I just want to I want to I want to be a bit more careful about the text here I'll start circling things just just pay close attention to exactly what romans 8 says And again, just get this into your mind about how embarrassing this guy is. Okay I don't know how he takes himself seriously when he looks. I don't know Remember that all the way ages ago we we looked at where he said well We don't follow the old testament law We follow a new testament kind of a law of the law of love and he was using galatians to argue that. Okay Well, this video that this romans road thing it's all about how what verses can he pluck out of romans? To show you that you need to do works to be saved right now. Look what he says 30 minutes About 30 minutes in he's explaining Verse 4 here that he says The righteous requirement of the law Is only fulfilled in those who are not walking according to the flesh But they're walking according to the spirit Well, as paul being talking about the the law of christ or some new testament law or some new law that's replaced the old law Paul hasn't said anything like that. Okay, so what law are we talking about here? This is old testament law. Okay, mr Well, we can't be saying far the old testament law It's a new testament law and then you in another video It'll quote a verse that points to old testament law as an example of what we should be walking in to be saved He contradicts himself left right and sent and he chooses arguments Contradictory arguments if and when it suits him to do so. Okay, and it's like if you don't see how blind this guy is I've got no sympathy fee when you're burning in hell like seriously when when you say lord lord and he says depart from me I never knew you I've got no sympathy If you're just going to make constant excuses for this guy and about how he's really a man of god When he just contradicts himself all the time when it suits him to do so because he just changes the argument He keeps moving the goalpost to be to be saved and I'm sorry. I'm getting so irate But it winds me up is what it does because it's like if you don't get that that shows He's a false prophet What else can I do for you like all of you sick of fans that are part of his 1.57 k subscribers What can I do for you if you don't see it? It's just it's right there in front of you This guy is a wicked devil who just contradicts himself and he changes the goalposts And you think you're going to get to heaven because you followed his advice Like seriously give me a break. Okay. So anyway, let's just get on to the the passage So now let's deal with Romans 8 And this is where we need to slow down a bit and look at the text more carefully than what we've skimmed through Because a lot of what he's arguing From romans here really hangs on verse 4 here So the bit that he likes to point out his favorite bit to turn to in this passage here is the bit where it says that the righteous requirement of the law Might be fulfilled in us who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the spirit So let's just have a look at the transcript about half an hour and let's just see something that he points out So about half an hour in he's he's pointing to verse 4 where it says the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in who And then he he continues the sentence hypothetically But obviously he's he's mocking the other position or rather well rebuking the other position in effect So he's saying in those who just make a profession and believe in their heart and that's it Well, obviously that's not what the verse says and so that that's this point that he's attacking faith alone because he's saying That's not what that verse says. It doesn't say the righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled in them that believe But it's those who walk in after this, you know, according to the spirit rather than According to the flesh that that's what he's pointing out there Well, again, we come full circle round to this same problem that we had with the Galatians issue. Okay He tried to make this false distinction between new testament law and all testament law So then all the verses that you would point to in romans 3 4 and 5 and so on that were not justified by works of the law He would say well, that's all testament law. You need to be justified by new testament law works. Okay And then this is the kind of verses that he's going to quote to but when it says the righteous requirement of The law while he's already explained in the previous verse the law Could was weakened by the flesh and could not do so the law could not save you Well, then that's the context old testament law So then he wants to point to a verse about old testament law and say well You fulfill old testament law if you're walking in this spirit and which he means to all of these works so again It just goes to show how he picks contradictory Argument points if and when it suits him when it suits him to quote a verse about fulfilling old testament law And he makes it about works and then he'll quote it But then when you try and confront him with all these about how we're not justified by the law Oh, well, that's just that's a different law that the rules have changed He constantly moves the goalposts folks and if you're one of his 1.57k subscribers and you're listening to this now and you're seeing this and you just want to make Excuses for this guy and you just want to say how he's really a man of god and he he preaches the right gospel You know what? I don't know what else to do for you I cannot do anything for you because you you are just refusing to see it Okay, you are refusing to see how he is moving the goalposts constantly Okay, and if you just take this in the overall flavor of what Paul's actually saying It really isn't that complicated what he's saying here Now I couldn't find in the transcript. Maybe I missed it, but I couldn't find Where he even mentions roman 7 in this entire video So we go to romans 8 in this video and we just get complete amnesia As to everything Paul's just being saying about this point that his mind serves the lord of god But his flesh still serves the lord of sin. Okay We've just got complete amnesia. You see he doesn't address that it just completely misses it So then he can just once again take this completely out of context because the chapter numbers didn't exist when Paul wrote this letter So we just carry on where we left off at roman 7. Okay So so let's have a look at the text and let's break down what's really going on here. All right So starting at verse 1 then it says that there is therefore no condemnation To them which are in christ jesus And it goes on saying the king james it is comma who walked after the flesh and after the spirit now after the Bible that in the bible that a pucyon uses the english shoddy version that that bit isn't there But it is obviously Repeated there in verse 4 anyway, so he still uses uses that obviously now When it says in christ jesus, so this is one of his Proved texts about how you can lose salvation because you know, it's no condemnation to them that it in christ jesus You've got to stay in you know, you can't veer off the path or all this that and the other but the thing is with this verse It's one dimensional. Okay. It really only addresses One dimension. There's no condemnation to them which are in christ jesus This doesn't delve into the issue of them which are not in christ jesus or them that are in no longer christ jesus Okay, they were and then they stopped. It's just not addressed here. So it's not relevant. Okay This is not a proof text for losing salvation because we only have a one dimensional verse here Okay, well, who are they that are in christ jesus? Well, paul's already explained this justified by faith It's one man's obedience. Do you believe that jesus jesus's obedience Has delivered you from sin and death you either believe that or you don't okay He doesn't believe that by the way a pucyon because he thinks he's got to mix some of his own filthy words In there. So what does it mean to be in christ jesus? paul's already explained that. Okay. We're justified for righteousness by faith It's by one man's obedience. Okay case closed So then he talks about the two laws here and again remember that this is continuing more or less the same theme that you left behind from roman seven So the law of the spirit of life Has made me what it now this is where when he says the law of the spirit of life in christ People like a pucyon want to make that about all of jesus commandments But the thing is we haven't got any detailed teaching About what this law of the spirit of life even is okay All we can do is contrast it with whatever the whatever it's opposite is Well, it's opposite is the law of sin and death and and this is what we've been made free from So the law of sin and death old testament law that there's all these laws if you do this that there might be a death penalty In a literal sense for that or you know the wages of sin is death You might think of or you know There's so many Old testament laws where it said the soul that does these things shall be cut off from his people and stuff like that So we know that the law the old testament law It points out our sin as uh roman seven already told us that it did And so as paul said the commandment brings forth death So because we have sinned or do sin, you know have do whatever It brings forth death that law. Okay, but we have been made free from that law Okay, we are free from that law So whatever the spirit the law of the spirit of life in christ is It's something that sets us free from that law. Well, again, this has already been explained in romans. Okay Justified by faith though our minds serve the spirit the law of god But our flesh still starts serves the law of sin. Okay, that's that's already been explained So let's just not read romans eight like we just had complete amnesia about chapter seven. Okay And then so when we've got two laws, we've got this law and then we've got this law That's obviously two different laws there But then in verse three, he just says the law. Okay. Well, then it raises the question Which law do you mean the law of the spirit of life or do you mean the law of sin and death? Well, if he doesn't explain it either way The rest of this verse then tells you what law we're talking about And so we just carry that forward into verse four. Okay, so the law could not do well What could it not do? It was weak through the flesh god sending forth his son in the likeness of sinful flesh condemned sin In the flesh. Okay. So there it is again. We're dealing with Old Testament law We're dealing with the law of sin and death. So how did christ resolve that? Well, he condemned sin in the flesh. Okay, and again, this is already being explained by romans We have been crucified with him. He was crucified his bodily death dealt with this in issue But now he's resurrected. So it's the same for believers the law of sin and death Still has hold on our flesh. Okay, your body is again, your body is still dying. Your body is still condemned That's why you're not in a glorified state yet. That's why you weren't carried up in a whirlwind devon as soon as you got saved Okay Your body is still subject to the law law of sin and death, but because christ has condemned this This is why you're now subject to the law of the spirit of life In other words, you're free from the law of sin and death. It really is that simple It doesn't get any more complicated than that. You see epi-use wants to make this really complicated But you know, he just perverts the simplicity that's in christ because it's really not complicated at all And we've already been seeing everything that paul's been saying up to now It's christ's obedience that deals with this in issue. Not your obedience So then the righteousness of the law Well, what law well, we just carry on where we left off from verse three because he's not saying The righteousness of the law of the spirit of life. He's just saying the law So according to verse three and what verse three described about the law We're still on the law of sin and death. Okay And so what paul's argument point here is what he's just been saying in in verse three The law of sin and death the old testament law That could not bring you life Okay, because it applies to your flesh the the law applies to your flesh But you can't meet the requirements of that law and so that's why again Why was he pointing out to a hypothetical due back in romans 2 about About circumcision and all that kind of thing. Okay, because that's all part of the law But that can't bring you life because you don't meet the requirements of the law because all have sin Already been explained. Okay. So because you've broken that law. That's why it could not do Okay, it just you you can obey the law all you want You know, you can love your neighbors yourself this that and the other but you've already failed the law You cannot meet the righteous requirements of the law. So that's why god sent his son. Okay So then the righteous requirement of that law the law of sin and death Might be fulfilled fulfilled in who well, it's in us and notice because again Epiucion wants to make this about you You've got to be walking after the spirit or you're not saved or you're not meeting the law This isn't about you personally. Okay, this is us. This is collectively the saints So we the saints. Well, what is it about as well? We walk not after the flesh But after the spirit. Okay, so that that's who us is we so all it's really getting at here is We are part of that gang. We're not part of that other gang It's it's got nothing to do with your personal walk. Okay, this is this is collective language here So then what is it about us? Who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit because he you see he's trying to make it all about the commandments you follow But Paul's already given us all of the argument points up to now You see there were there was the hypothetical Jew who boasted in his flesh about being circumcised and this that and the other So he was the one walking in his flesh and again, this is very similar language to what we see in Galatians, sorry, it's not it's not losing me here. It's not drawing a line properly So this is very similar language to what he said in in Galatians really those that are walking after the flesh They think they will be justified by the law that the law replies to their flesh Well, the were not under the law because our flesh has been crucified with Christ He's condemned sin in the flesh as it says right here. So we're not subject to that law Why while we have the faith we are justified for righteousness by faith It's by Christ obedience that we are justified. So that's why we fall into this category here Okay It's those who are have their their sin covered by Christ. Christ has Crucified their their flesh for them. Okay, his blood has dealt with all of that And so if you follow what Paul's been talking about Once again, that's the context here just as it was in Galatians It's got nothing to do with How obedient you think you are and even if you think you're obedient and you're walking after the spirit. Well, congratulations But you're still justified by works then and since we're dealing with Old Testament law here You obviously think you're justified by Old Testament law. So unfortunately Sorry to tell you you fall in the circumcision camp if you actually believe that. Okay Now there is a question to be addressed here. Okay. Is that if it says that the righteousness of the law Might be fulfilled in us. Well, if we're not if we're not under that law If we're not subject to that law if that law can't bring us in if we're under grace How how can that be true? How can the righteousness of the law Might be fulfilled in us Well, again, let's not have amnesia with all of the romans chapters leading up to now. Okay First of all, we saw that it's one man's obedience christ Well, we know that christ is in believers that he dwells in believers. Okay The spirit of life in christ jesus And remembering roman 7 paul contrasted in the inward man in my mind I delight in the lord of god. Okay. I I'm in the mind. I serve the lord of god But in my flesh the aspect of me that isn't born again It still serves the lord of sin and the body of death And so if I sin it is no more I that do it but the sin that dwells in me because In his flesh dwells no good thing paul is arguing there. So so there's your answer. Okay Your flesh does not fulfill the righteousness of the law Your born again spirit fulfills the righteousness of the law and any sin that you do is condemned in the flesh. Okay But nevertheless as paul's been arguing don't use that as an occasion to sin Now obviously epi ucio will falsely accuse of saying that it's okay to go around sinning But his condemnation is just as per what we saw in roman's chapter 3 what he says in 3a. So, you know, it's just a false accusation Then paul goes on to explain more or less the same thought from verse 4 Verse 5 that they that are after the flesh Do mind the things of the flesh and then they that are of the spirit Do mind the things of the spirit. So we've again, we've got two types of people and it's they It's collective language is not really individualizing this. It's not whosoever or any man. This is after the flesh. Okay We're using collective eyes language so earlier About 40 minutes ago. I pointed out that The first verse is one dimensional. Okay, so it's really those who are in christ jesus that there's no prospects of falling away All those that are not Then we get to two dimensionals So we've got those that are in the flesh and those that are in the spirit And as we've seen throughout romans and we've seen throughout galatians There's those who think that they're justified by works of the law or you know, you could say the circumcision group And there's those whose righteousness is justified by faith. Okay, so they're the ones that are after the flesh Or after the spirit because that's how paul is framed. Do they see hasn't framed it? This is how obedient you are That's just people like epecium reading into the text what they want it to say. Okay So then he goes on to explain that to be calmly minded Is death. Okay, so Well, then what about What about a person who's doing carnal things? Well, again, let's not have amnesia about what we just read in romans 7 If we sin if the body the body is still under sin It's no longer I that does it but the sin that dwells in me. Okay, but paul did explain right at the end of chapter 7 His mind serves the lord of christ and so the spirit in him Is connected to his mind. It's not connected to his whole body. Okay, so the flesh do wants to sin But the mind has been renewed. Okay, that's the mind there that knows so Someone might do carnal things but still be Spiritually minded. Okay. Well, you just take the examples of the bible people like abraham who sinned people like david who sinned They were spiritually minded. They understood that god's Righteousness was imputed on to them. They understood those things They believe the promises of god. So they had a righteous mind But having still a body of death they was they were they still did carnal things even though they weren't carnal minded Okay, so it's it's carnaly minded that's death and that's those who are in the flesh Those that think they're justified by the works of the lot those that think that They will be justified by circumcision or whatever it's they're the ones that were carnaly minded because that's what carnaly minded people think So it's been spiritually minded that is life and also peace. It's not spiritual doing. It's people who are spiritually Minded. Okay. So that that's that's really what he's saying there And so he just carries on that same thought because that the carnal mind is enmity against god For it is not subject to the law of god and it's uh, but neither can it be and so Herein lies the problem. You see the carnal mind You might say that you have to obey the works of the law to be saved, but then You you cannot be subject to the to the law because you can't obey it with your flesh Therein lies the problem. So the law applies to your flesh But those that are in the flesh are just completely powerless to please god So that's again. This is why works salvation works of the law. It just doesn't work. Okay something to point out about about being carnaly minded Is that um Epiucion often makes it out like one saved always saved or faith alone Is this massive apostasy that's just sweeping through christianity and in his video about repentance He said there are many false teachers out there teaching that repentance doesn't mean turning from sin When i've got a 50 minute video of my on my channel of loads of famous preachers from all different flavors of christianity All saying that repentance means turn from sin. Okay So that they're constantly trying to that this is what that's what carnaly minded is because a lot of the things that he throws against Faith load. Well, you're saying that if someone murders they can still go to heaven. Yeah That's what every unsaved person objects to when you try and give them the gospel It's the same boring argument points because that's how carnaly minded people think They think they can obey the law to make their way to heaven. Okay And all you have to do is when you evangelized people you just ask why you going to heaven Well, I think i'm a good person. Oh, so it's got nothing to do with christ then. Oh, well, you know, I have a relationship with christ You know, I do this. I do it. It's all I me myself me. I do this. I do that That's how unsaved people think that's what carnaly minded is. Okay, but the spiritually minded person says No, it's christ who did it all and actually One saved always saved isn't some big massive apostasy sweeping across christianity because outside of free grace There's only really the calvinists that believe and even then it's still workspace because they will say that saints will persevere in works often Most christian denominations believe that you can lose salvation. Okay, that's what the catholics believe That's what the methodists believe. That's what the seventh day adventists believe That's what the Mormons believe. That's what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe and on and on and on And they all say well, it's a free gift but dot dot dot. Why well, it's quite simple They are all carnaly minded So an epi you see him likes to throw all these objections and all all this stuff and act like he's spiritual No, you're just proving that you're carnaly minded because you just ask the same boring questions That all carnaly minded people have, you know, it doesn't It's all that same kind of thing It's just it doesn't matter what your logic is about how if a person still gets to heaven when if they've sinned It's about what christ said and it's what the bible says. They'll say if the lord case closed. Okay So, uh, yeah that he's carnaly minded. It doesn't work. He can sound as spiritual as he wants And so then he gets to verse nine and he says but you are not in the flesh. Okay So, uh, this is this is the plural ye you it's not the thou So again, this is not about you personally, but you the romans who i'm writing to You are not in the flesh. Okay, but in the spirit if so be that the spirit of god Dwells in you. Okay, so it's not well if you do these works if you're obeying your way to give another spirit of god Dwells in you. Well, how does that happen? Well, jesus said you must be born again You must you must be born in the spirit. Well, how do you do that jesus? Well, you just keep reading john chapter three and it goes on to explain whosoever believeth in me Okay, again, you see how this is just not complicated at all folks And you see how people just read all of these things going into here that paul hasn't even argued up to now. Okay So that that's the condition that the spirit of god is in you. Okay You just believe the spirit of god is in you and so if that's the case you are not in the flesh Nevertheless, while you're under grace and not under the law don't use that as an occasion to the flesh as he has pointed out Okay, and so that's that's all we're trying to say in free grace folks like yes Let's obey the things that christ told us to do. Yes. Let's turn from our sins But not to be saved though. And it's like People like epi eusion and all these kind of minded people. They just cannot separate works from salvation They just cannot do it They can just cannot grasp that actually there are people who do believe in obedience But not to be saved that that just it must just below his mind that people are out there like that Okay, and if christ be in you, oh, you will never sin again Well, that's not really what he says he says that the body is dead because of sin. Okay But the spirit is life because of righteousness. Okay, so again righteous spirit dead body He paul has made this so clear up to now. It's really not complicated folks He's just he's hammered this in so many times. Okay Then we'll just briefly look at some points in the next few verses of the spirit that raised Jesus from the dead If if if that same spirit dwells in you Well, then the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his spirit that dwells But obviously that that's a future event is shall also so that that's that's not manifested yet. Okay, and so that's why We're in this sort of state of flux if you like or state of quandary where We're spiritually minded, but we still have a carnal body So paul's trying to encourage the romans to live as if you were already in this state to live as if you were already quickened Okay, even though your bodies themselves are not quick and that's why you have to bring it under subjection and so on and so forth And so if it says if you live after the flesh, you shall die Well, again, they want to make that about keeping the commandments, but we've already said what that means You know, there were people that boasted about circumcision and boasted in their flesh Okay, that they're the two types of people and we've seen that we're not justified by the works of the law We're justified by faith for righteousness. So that's how you live through the spirit and in doing so You mortify the deeds of the body. Okay, the body is dead because of sin as he's just explained. Okay He has just explained that So, uh, there you go. And then for as many as are led by the spirit of god, they are the sons of god. So What does it mean? What what does that mean then? Because well, if it says you're led by the spirit That's not about your walk and your obedience. That's about what the spirit is doing. The spirit is leading you This doesn't address whether you're following the spirit. It's just addressing whether you're being led by the spirit Okay, now whether you follow that's obviously another Conversation of itself, but is the spirit leading you? Well, if you if if it leads you you are the sons of god What well, how do we know if the spirit is is leading us? Well, what else do we know about the sons of god? Okay, well, we know from John's gospel that so as many as received him To them gave he the power to become the sons of god even to them that believe on his name So those that believe on his name those that have the faith They're the ones who are led by the spirit. Okay, if we just tie all of those sons of god versus together You just get the same conclusion. So again, don't read words into Paul's writings that he didn't actually say. Okay And then he goes on to explain about our adoption, but he he doesn't really deal so much about Sin so much as he deals about our present sufferings Versus things that will will happen in the future our our future resurrection And so waiting for the manifestation of the sons of god so that the creature is still waiting We haven't fully manifested yet. Okay, because you know our mortal bodies have not yet been quickened So that's probably all i'm going to say about romans 8 There's one more point that i'm going to address about romans and it's the the classic you can lose your salvation passages in in romans So there's a section from romans 11 that that people often use to to teach that you can lose your salvation now in this Video here proof one saved always saved is a lie He actually starts with john 15. Well, i'm going to cover that after romans because i'd like to cover that But we'll we'll start with romans 11 first seen as war on romans anyway because they're both out of this video so We can do one then the other so about 13 minutes in that's when he starts talking about romans because both romans 11 and john 15 deal with A very similar theme just in slightly different contexts. So In john 15 he was talking to his disciples But in romans 11 it's about the the gentiles Versus the jews, but it's the same theme of branches being in together But then being broken off or or cast off What whatever it might be. Okay, so similar themes just using it in slightly different context of of conversation. So Let's let's have a look at that Now there's something very interesting here That there's there's something that technically he's kind of right about but the way that he argues it Is completely and utterly ridiculous So people will confront him hypothetically and say that this when it's saying you he will cut off you He's talking to the general gentiles in general or a whole group of people But then he argues this is saying but this makes no sense If god already cut off israel, but israel is a group of people So no that would make perfect sense it in that regard But he even says they were broken off. He doesn't say he were broken off So how can you say well? It makes no sense to say that this is talking about a group of people Because he already cut off a group of people. It's like what kind of ridiculous Logic is that that makes no sense Now there is some truth though is that paul actually speaks more individualistic here now Again in the king james you get the these and the vows you don't get that in the esv Okay, it just says you so it could be you singular it could be you plural You wouldn't necessarily know if the context didn't make it clear And the context here actually does make it look plural because they were broken off. Okay But um if you actually look at it in the concordance, it's second person singular thou Okay, so it's the singular you it's not it's not the plural you so so paul does actually make it Individualistic so i'm surprised he's right about that. It's just the way that he argues about it It's just completely not really stupid, but but there you go And so then what what he tops off roman's 11 by saying is that well, okay, even if this were Plural you've still got other verses like how john the baptist said that every tree that does not bear good fruit It is cut down and thrown into the fire But here's the difference about that verse there though Is that that one doesn't deal with branches and the same tree? All right, it says every tree that bears good fruit. It's not all the branches in the same tree So it's really a very different Thing that that john the baptist would it was actually saying in that verse And actually if you just look to the previous verse it kind of gives you a clue to this whole thing anyway Think not to say among yourselves. We have Abraham our father Now if you look at john chapter 8, that's what jesus dealt with a lot of jews Who they thought they were in no bondage to any man because they were the seed of Abraham But jesus said no, that's not going to give you a pass. You need to believe in me It's not just enough to just be jewish and a descendant of Abraham. That's not going to work Okay, so that that kind of helps you give a little bit of understanding as to what happens in roman's 11 then So i'm going to be fairly quick with this but look look how he introduces the chapter here I say then has god cast away his people because remember later in the chapter It says that god has cut off his rail. Okay Well, he says god forbid so god hasn't cut off or cast away rather his people So the branches that are cut off then logically can't be his people Otherwise you would say god contradicts himself Whatever god has cast away so you can say well, he's cut off and cast away the branches of israel He might even cut off you as the gentiles But his people he has not cast away very important. You understand that who's now here making a distinction between his people And the israel that's been cut off. Okay, if you can understand that the rest of the chapter will make sense And it just repeats himself in case you didn't get it the first time god has not cast away his people Which he foreknew so those who we foreknew he's not cast them away, but there are some that have been Cut off. Okay. Well, he's just carry on reading he's going to explain that So he goes on to say then even so at this present time There is also a remnant according to the election of grace. Well, what is a remnant? It's in the context of the bible It's a small group of people Out of a large group of people. So like there was a remnant in israel So there was all of israel terrible israel, but there was there was a remnant though. Okay And that that pattern appears in the bible multiple times. So even in the new testament There's a large group of people But there's this remnant within it and it's according to the election of grace Okay, and he goes on to explain if by grace then it is no more of works Otherwise grace is no more grace But if it be of works then it is no more grace otherwise work is no more work So there's a key verse for you Paul is separating god's grace from works You cannot work your way to heaven because it's of grace now if it is of works fine But then don't say it's of grace and that's why trying to read Ephesians 10 to override Ephesians Sorry Ephesians 2 8 10 to override 288 and 9 doesn't work. Okay, keep work separate from grace Yes, we have been ordained on two good works, but keep work separate from grace. Okay, really not that complicated at all What then has israel the group of people not obtained that which he seeks for but the election has obtained it And notice this the rest were blinded. So those in the remnant god has not cast them away his people The rest they were the ones that were blinded. So again, you you want to talk about israel being cut off or cast away Well, the rest were cut were blinded You could say the rest were cut off But the election the remnant they have not been cast away. Okay See this the verses that epucion won't point out to you when he just wants to quote mind that the next upcoming verses Now then in verse 11, he says I say then have they that israelites stumbled that they should fall so You could say is is we did god deliberately set up the israelites to fall Well, no, but but rather because of their fall or through their fall Salvation is come to the gentiles to provoke israel to jealousies It's to try and bring them back into the natural branches as he explains later in the chapter So pouring out the gospel to the gentiles salvation come to the gentiles to try and get israel back in Okay, that that's the goal there. Okay, so it's not that god deliberately set up israel to fall But it did fall and so salvation through the gentiles bring them back in. Okay And then look what he says here. I speak to you gentiles now at the moment We're talking plurality to the gentiles. We're not we're not the endowing just yet But I speak to you gentiles Because I in so much as I am an apostle of the gentiles I magnify my office If by any means I may provoke to emulation Then which are in my flesh and what what he means by that is his israelite brethren That he might save some of them So again, it's trying to that's the goal here to try and bring the israelites back into into the natural branches. Okay And then he goes on to say and if some of the branches be broken off So again, it's not all it's not all of the branches because again We've got the remnant of his people but then we've got the rest that were blinded So not not all of israel has been cut off But some of the branches be broken off and then this is where he makes it about the vow you personally Okay, you as an individual not not a collective you So some of the branches be broken off and thou being a wild olive tree were grafted in among them And with them partake of the root and the fatness of the olive tree Boast not against the branches, but if you if you are thou boast thou bearest not the root but the root of the root Okay, so What he's basically saying there is don't boast against the jews or boast against the natural branches of israel You were grafted into that same branch. Okay, so that the right tree that the right gospel or the right salvation You were grafted into that same branch So don't don't brag against that tree that you you know, you're better than them or anything like that Okay, so that that's the objective of his conversation is it boasts to not against the branches That's the point of why he's telling them this stuff. Okay Um the branches that were broken off So so the fake israelites the ones that were blinded the rest of them those outside of the remnant They were broken off the eye or you personally you might be grafted in. Okay, so the goal of we've got we've got israel We've got the tiny remnant that the remnants not being cast away the rest of them Well, let's just throw away this false nation of israel so that we can actually graft some of you gentiles in Okay, that that's what he's saying there essentially And so why were they broken off? Well because of unbelief And so this is what he says thou stand stands by faith Be not high-minded. Okay, but but fear so you stand by you don't stand by words. You stand by faith Be not high-minded about it. Okay Because they were broken off from unbelief Now what what did they fall? Well, you look at the conversations that jesus had with a lot of the jews You look at the conversation that john the baptist had with a lot of jews What did john the baptist say in luke 3 think not to say among yourselves. We have abraham our father. Okay Jesus said to the jews in john chapter 8 You know you you think i know you are the seed of abraham, but you seek to kill me. This did not abraham So jesus was arguing you are not actually the remnant of abraham You are not the true descendants of abraham. You're just the physical seed of abraham So a lot of the jews they thought they were saved because they were part of the nation of is of israel Or they were from abraham. Okay, but if you don't believe it doesn't matter whether you descend from abraham or not So really all he's doing is Is just putting that same frame of mind on you personally as a gentile. Okay now now. Why would this be important? Well And and so what he says he said if god spared not the natural branches So that's the the non remnant israel those that were blinded those who fell off because of unbelief Neither will he spare you and obviously that's if you've fallen this same example of of unbelief because that's why they were broken off And so that's why he says continue in his goodness. Otherwise you shall be cut off and so He'll he'll take words like continue and this that and the other so let's just explain some of the stuff that's going on here Okay, well in the new testament We have this exact same pattern that the jews in israel had in the old testament. Okay The catholics think that there's no salvation outside the catholic church because they think they monopolize salvation Well, why do they think they monopolize salvation? Because they claim that their pope was preceded by another pope who was preceded by another pope and if you go back far enough It went back to peter They think that just because they've got this successive line of popes that then they have salvation by default Even if they've completely changed the truth of god into a lie, even if they've completely changed the gospel They think they have salvation by virtue of being catholic. Okay Well, sorry, but that's not going to pass You shall be cut off if you believe that because if you believe in a false gospel You you are in unbelief. Okay, you'll be cut off And so really what we see there is just the same pattern in the new testament that we already saw with The israelites in the old testament. So that that's one way you can look at it. Okay And so going back then what what appeasem will do is he'll say he'll use this word continue And I say well, see if you don't continue you can lose your salvation, right? But but here's what once again, this is where you just have to completely ignore the rest of the bible We already looked much earlier in this refutation about people who walked away from jesus in john chapter 6 And it said jesus knew from the beginning who believed not So we've really only ever got two types of camps. We've got those who believe And we've got those who don't believe now those that were broken off They were broke off because of unbelief. It doesn't say they lost their belief It doesn't say they for suck their belief. It doesn't say they just decided to stop believing. It's just unbelief Okay, we just have that we just have the opposite of belief So there's two camps here So if someone's if someone doesn't if an individual person doesn't continue and they stop believing They fall under unbelief. Okay, that's why they were never saved to begin with and so they're cut off Okay, now you might say well, how can you really say That he's Cut off because wouldn't that imply that he was part of the tree At one point and if we're talking about salvation Wouldn't that mean that he had salvation and that's a reasonable question. Okay, what you've got to do is not isolate the verse From the rest of the chapter because when it when he's talking about branches and you know things being broken Obviously, you're not literally made out of wood with bits of leaves growing off. Okay He's using An analogy if you will or a metaphor So to speak. Okay, so he's just trying to explain that You can't be part of this natural branch if you follow that example of unbelief and so we've already seen from this chapter Concerning Israel the rest were blinded. Okay, but the election has obtained it God has not cast away his people So the remnant has not been cast away Everybody else that was trying to be part of this same olive tree They're the ones that are cast away because they fell in into unbelief. Okay So let's just apply this to the new testament You can't claim that just because you're a christian you're going to heaven Do you believe the gospel or don't you? Well, if you don't believe it You can claim you're a christian till you're blue in the face But you can't be part of the true israel if you have a false gospel or if you have a false belief Or you fall into the example of unbelief. Okay So what this is here, this is like separating the wheat from the chaff if you will to be part of the natural branch You have to be a person who believes you have to be elect according to the grace of god Okay, if you're not elect you can't be part of that branch And so that's the point that he's trying to get across when he says cut off It has nothing to do with you losing your salvation and if you Let's just say somebody believed for a moment then stop believing Well, they followed the example of jesus knew from beginning who believe no So if jesus knew from the beginning they believe not It's meaningless to say that they used to be saved because jesus already foresaw that this would happen Okay, so don't confuse your carnal understanding of time with jesus's grasp of eternity and everything that he can see outside of time Okay And so Paul just continues these same thoughts here that uh, if you know If the jews or the israelites if they don't abide in that unbelief if they switch to belief You know, they can they can come back to this natural branch because it belongs to believers It doesn't belong to the seed of Abraham. It belongs to the righteous children of faith of Abraham. Okay And so you were removed from the olive tree I've not highlighted the rest of that. I should have done but you were you were removed from the wild olive tree And you were grafted into the good olive tree. So you were removed from wild brought into the true tree, okay And so obviously it just goes without saying then that anybody who was part of the natural Branches can obviously be grafted back into their own tree if they return to believe Okay, and again What's he trying to get the do you trying to get the gentiles to provoke israel to jealousy? It's about getting them back in. Okay And so, you know, don't Don't be wise in your own conceits because this blindness has happened to israel until the fullness come in And so israel shall be saved because god will save the true israel. Okay, but anybody who's an unbeliever They must be cut off from the natural branch. Okay And so that that's really the point that he's trying to get across in this chapter So no, it doesn't teach that you can lose your salvation at all. It's just it's just not there and so What he just points out is through their unbelief you've obtained mercy because they rejected jesus when he came but You accepted jesus as a Gentile and so you can be grafted into that natural branch because you accept jesus And those that don't accept jesus well They're the ones that are cut off from the true branch because the true branch are those who accept christ by belief Okay, that's pretty much all i'm going to say about roman's 11 So we can move on to john chapter 15 continuing that same thing without branches being cut off and about those who are biding in christ Okay