 And we are live welcome to the red man group episode 19 today with me my band of Misfits and Hellraisers includes Donovan sharp from the sharp reality Ryan Stone from a red pill Rolla Tomasi from the rational male and Texas Dom from Texas Dom calm And we should be joined soon by Carl from black label logic calm the original gang gentlemen, welcome to the show Again, yeah, thanks for coming on early to a little bit earlier for everybody watching and you know talking on the show Also, welcome to our Twitter followers and Facebook followers. We're streaming our live for the first time as well as YouTube and I'll be watching the chat on YouTube and the Google Hangouts with my group here And then it will be watching the Twitter ones as well through an intern stuff like that So gentlemen, welcome to the show. How are you guys doing and what's going on? Good Yeah, doing good. I guess we'll let Rolla go first and see. Oh, all right Since I got up the earliest I get to go first. I don't think anybody realizes how early it is on the vice-coaster. Oh Yeah, that's right. Yeah, man. Well, um, I got a lot of stuff going for me I always feel like I got to talk about like what's going on as far as the rational males concern. I just had I Just had the The 21 convention my second talk for the 21 convention went live this week. So Well, I mean say it went free this week so I wrote a post about that and I kind of got into I got a kind of a little cerebral I guess about a just the the impact I think of changing times and It really hit me like when I saw this The the video and was kind of reviewing all the stuff that we did last year at the last year's convention And I looked at it and I was like This is the only time in history that this could happen Like the only time I could have written what I write right now The only time I could have published a book, you know self-publishing wasn't a thing, you know Back in the 90s. It wasn't a thing even really back in the early 2000s And I think that the way that we sort of take the red pill for granted these days Um, we just I don't think a lot of guys really realized that there was a time before uh before the internet when when You know the the stuff that I talk about in my books and on my blog All of that was still going on but we didn't have this connectivity and we couldn't really talk to each other And I can remember like the only time you would see like an ad for like a how to pick up girls Kind of book was you'd see that in the back of like a hustler magazine or something or penthouse or something like that And that was as far as it went, you know people like oh, that's creepy and then uh, and then of course, you know the the guys Who started, you know alt fast seduction you got the guys in the game and it just sort of came up So I wrote a post about pretty much how we've gone from From being I think in the worst condition we possibly could be in the 90s as far as intersexual dynamics and really knowing Knowing about them to where we are right now. I think really we kind of take it for granted. We were talking about this this morning about how How music these days really genuinely does suck and it sucks because it's too easy today because we We take it for granted that we have the tools and we have the abilities to to produce, you know creative works But it's too easy. We don't have to work for it anymore. And so all of the the All of the events and all the experiences that led up to me writing what I do Uh could only happen and it could only be published today because I mean, can you imagine me trying to go to like a Traditional publishing house and saying hey, here's the rational mail. Can you please publish my book for me? You know, and even if they would what kind of deal would I get and now, you know, I I never in my life Thought I would ever be an author much less a published author much less an author who's got audiobooks and it's just Sort of really humbling to think that this is the only time in history that we could really actually do this So I wrote that about you know, people are probably going to ask me questions Like what is role getting into these days? Well, that was really just sort of what I was thinking because I think that we have a generation of guys now who Grew up with the internet. They grew up Never having to worry about you know, never really Having to remember a phone number, you know, if they got if they got a girl's phone number They never had to worry, you know, write it down and put it in your butt. I remember I had to do shit like that The shoebox full of notes Exactly. I've only gotten a girl's phone number on paper like three or four times in my life It's always been on your cell phone. Well, I thought about that I was asking my wife. I said, how many how many phone numbers can you remember right now? And we could both maybe come up with three, you know, like hours My moms my daughters and I think that was probably yet, you know, and everything else is just in my iPhone You guys missed the old days of getting phone numbers on napkins and then try not to too much and yeah Yeah, and then and then wondering if you drew like drew a eight or a three, you know Yeah, so anyways, that's that's what that post is about. Uh, other than that my my work. I've got uh, actually I'm God, I'm working on a A cap for a bottle right now for one of my new uh, my new brand. So that's kind of keeping me busy Actually, I got a new I've got a new liquor brand that I'm working with I know I swore I wasn't going to get back into liquor, but this was a too too good a deal to pass up Can't leave it alone, brother. I'm not leaving money on the table. So Yesterday, I did a photo shoot. Um, I did a photo shoot with me and I did a photo shoot with a couple of girls And I did a gig last night, which is why my voice is the way it is right now and I didn't get much sleep So I'm going to pass it to ryan go Yeah, oh, I was just thinking back to your 90s thing. I remember the napkin phone numbers We used to have shoeboxes. We jump them on the bed once a week to show off. Who was the bigger man? The number closes that always made me laugh Uh, yeah, so for me, it's honestly, it's one it's given those days lately where it's you wake up You're out and move and by the time your legs stop moving your head hits the pillow again So this is actually my first time to stop and take a breath all week. So at the very least thank god for the podcast um beyond that it's just uh Canada day is coming up for those of you south of the 49th This is the day where we celebrate how we waited a hundred years didn't spit any blood and just asked nicely to leave When the brit said sure we offered to help him with the germans out just to be polite about it And here we are Yeah, beyond that. Um, I got a couple posts i'm working on. I don't want to talk about them because that's the You know how you talk about new year's resolutions and then you get the dopamine rush. So you never end up doing it Yeah, i'm kind of in that phase right now. But beyond that really looking forward to the live stream here I had to buy some new clothes because I realized i've worn just about every one of my shirts for The podcast so i'd be double dipping here I guess carl carl got to you finally Yeah, pick up one of my shirts. I bought that hawaii one. I don't know if you guys saw that on twitter I bought that just for him pretty ridiculous or whatever I have good news by the way guys. We are doing well on twitter and facebook. So the multi stream is working Looks nice You know hard to just do well on twitter without your tits hanging out. It's fucking difficult. Yeah And then beyond that something i'll notice I know we weren't gonna talk about it, but I noticed there's a growing crowd of Any attention as good attention people and it's just kind of funny. Yeah, I'll leave it up there and you guys can Who's watching who knows what we're talking about? Oh, yeah, yeah Yeah, um things are going great over here. Uh tsr towers. I had listen had a great great week on the show Had ed latimore on um, I think it was monday night You know talk about his struggles with alcohol how he you know his journey to becoming a professional boxer How he decided to become a physics major after getting his head beat in for the better part of a decade And we are he and I are going to do we're going to do a special live broadcast Right after at the conclusion of the canelo alvarez triple g match on september 15th saturday september 15th That match is probably going to end I would say between 12 30 and 1 a.m But him and I we're going to you know, we're going to burn the midnight oil and right after that fight Um, we're going to we're going to break down the fight. We're going to talk about I mean I could talk to ed about boxing forever So, uh, so that that'll be a little bit of indulgence there This week. I also talked about the cost of good relationships I talked about the fact that You know people listen people these days young and old at the first sign of trouble in a relationship. They jump ship Um, you know, you know and girls make up, you know, if the guy has an idiosyncrasy It starts off as sort of a cute little idiosyncrasy then of course it later You know grows into a giant annoyance Basically letting guys know hey, listen man, we bitch can complain about how bitches ain't shit But guess what man? Like you got to step up your game too. You have to understand that having a good relationship It takes work man It takes it takes it It does take some sacrifice Like there are some things that you're going to have to give up to have a good relationship and run at red pill style I also did one dare I say three signs She might be a quality woman might being the operative word there You guys are going to have to check that out I released the donovan sharp notch count calculator on donovan sharp.com very very interesting Very and listen, this isn't some arbitrary number It is kind of sort of tongue-in-cheek have scientific half not but if you actually listen to it It starts to make a lot of sense And then of course my my show on thursday night Was about how girlfriends are always better than wives. That was a really really good show had a lot of fun doing that Ryan, I agree with you actually did a podcast I don't know about a year ago And it was entitled Never believe what a woman tells you even if she's telling the truth and what that detail Listen what it what it detailed is the fact that and and you hit it right on the head that dopamine rush That comes with making a declaration of change, right? So if a woman says i'm going to go to spain this year She gets all of the dopamine rush with coming with spain But then when it comes to the financial temperance and and saving money in the planning She's not necessarily motivated to do it because she got all she already got all of the chemical rewards from that If a woman says i'm going to lose weight this year It's the same thing she goes about buying the clothes and the and the and the gym membership And she thinks about what it's going to be like with our newfound body and this and that and the other but Again, she's been rewarded so much by that serotonin and dopamine when the rubber meets the road She's already been rewarded for it It's it's it's like buying a car and you're excited about buying the car You make your payments on time for the first six months But then those payments start to get a little bit harder because you've already experienced the best of what a car has to Offer as far as you're concerned So it was a great week over on donovan sharp.com again You guys can can check me out sunday through thursday evenings at 7 p.m. Eastern for pacific Cool tax you're up. No, okay. I was gonna say that i that i go on tax Anthony's off to one side there. Go ahead tax. What's up last couple of weeks been traveling I hit denver in vegas and rino and jackson mississippi and Should all Yep, so traveling man. It's working hard trying to trying to get myself my butt back down at the beach shortly That's it pretty easy. That's it. Oh Yeah, texas. Dude any guy named tex. No, you know, he's got a simple life, man girls god girls and guitars. It's about it There you go. Yeah Yeah, i was trying to work on some audio stuff. Let's uh Go ahead, dude. You got it. Anthony you're up. Go Yeah, so yeah, well, that's right. I got interested myself too. What's going on? So we're selling the shit out of tickets this year to the event We've sold over half a dozen in the past 24 hours and now that's after last month and like the past weeks It's crazy. It's uh, it's constant and it's fucking awesome. It's exciting So the event this year has already got over 150 people as I tweeted last night Uh, I think with speakers, but you know all the attendees everybody so it's fucking huge. It's more than we had last year So that's this constant and then we put our rollers talk to the day That was pretty exciting my beautiful face is in that as well Roller approached me the last second. He's like, hey, do you want to come up and be part of this and I'm like, shit Yeah, I'll do that. I'm glad I did. I think it uh, I think it helped come out a little bit better that way took maybe some of the focus off of uh Some of the attention it takes to you know field questions from the audience And I'm really glad roll did it. I'm glad to get two talks and I'm excited for his talk this year at the event Yeah, good. I'm glad. Yeah, it's working out. I think um You know when I was when we were first talking about putting something together doing a you know Doing a different kind of convention a red pill convention. I told you I was Looking for something like a red pill summit because we never had anything like that before we never had Sort of I actually tried to do that a while back I think with me and uh christian mcqueen were really kind of aiming for that with the man-in-demand conference Oh, yeah when you guys were doing the stuff that that was 2015 and that worked out so So amazingly good. I'm like, man, we got it. We got a hit on this and so uh christian wanted to to keep doing it, but I think christian's got his own priorities really and I mean, that's cool but uh Really once once you and I started talking and we started um, you know compiling a list of speakers I mean, obviously the proof is right there right now. I mean, we're almost sold out I mean, and it's we're selling more tickets I mean, we're at 150 tickets right now, aren't we? Yeah, that includes speakers too, but so it's tickets It's over 100. It's almost 130 now like and we're topping out at 175 175 200, uh, it depends who you're counting and what you're counting, but probably 175 paid tickets. So, yeah So we don't want and a larger venue this year too. Yep new venue larger venue stone Orlando But it's uh, and we're working on, you know, improved audio for the event more cameras All kinds of upgrades stuff like that So the event will be, you know, more badass than ever But so will the video that comes out next year from 2018. Yeah, that's great And you know, I've been kind of a silent partner with uh with anthony right now It's like I I want to get more involved in it But you know, I still have I've still got books to write and I still got other things to do as well But uh, I think this is working out really well, and I think that I think this year will finally be Really what I had in mind, uh You know what what I think it could be. I mean we guys I mean if you just go and you look at the lineup of the guys this year, I mean pretty much I mean myself Donovan you And we're all going to be we're all We're all going to be speaking there and I I don't think it's any secret that on the red man group We're probably going to have most of the speakers on this show at some point just to You know And if you're not familiar with any of the guys and I don't see why you wouldn't because I mean we've got a lot of guys who're pretty Pretty notorious I guess in the red pill. Uh, I think that you would get to know them a little bit better on this show as well and It seems like the momentum is building on this thing. I'm looking forward to it. I'll tell you what I'm also looking forward to is uh The the after the after party at club well at the after party So I was like the after interviews those are really good And I know that you kind of have to get all the speeches out of the way before you You you release the ones like I did with uh, Christian minor and goldman or I did the one with uh, socrates and and hunter Those are good. I mean you want to you laugh your ass off at least on the hunter with me and hunter Yeah, those are really fun too because it's like you're you're kind of like four I mean it's really formal and you're giving a speech and you're talking and all that stuff and then you get off and you're just like Whoo, you know, then you could be yourself all of a sudden it's interesting to go from like really formal to being like really informal That's really good. Yeah, I'm excited Yeah, it's it's fucking bananas man. Like, uh, I just can't believe the ticket the demand for tickets It just keeps going. Uh, it just keeps going and going and the speakers we have better than ever One thing you mentioned to rollo that this is like, you know When you had in mind or your vision for what you know i'm doing with the company in this event Uh, but i'll say this too the event since its inception in 2006 2007 It's gotten better every year Whether that's in the design of the event had the duration of the event the location the team the filming Every year something gets better and I think now we're seeing that at a really deep intellectual level with the content and speakers that we have That would have invited to the event In large part that you've helped corral them too. It's like herd and cats. Yeah, exactly And then we're also I think right now people are starting to take the 21 convention a whole lot more seriously And I don't mean that as a slight against anything you did in the past me You've been doing this for like 10, you know, well, this will be 11 years now but uh, I think that people are actually Looking at it as as as a red pill event now as something that's really beneficial I I I don't really have to sell the tickets to a lot of guys I mean the guys will are going to buy tickets are going to buy the tickets and they're going to want to go And then to the people that I do kind of have to sell up sell it to you. I have to say look You're going to an event that is not Um, it's not selling you, you know sweet sunshine. It's not selling you positive You know mental he's like power positive thinking or it's not like a food rally It's not uh, it's like yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna get you know, it's not trying to hype you up or anything It's not a tony robbins style event. It's giving you tools. It's actual content. It's actual You know nuts and bolts instead of just hype I mean this is like if people want to say well, you know, I now I'm great. I feel good How do I go and do this then they have nothing to really work with once they leave? You know I'm going to go ahead and say they leave an rsd event or they leave, um, the tony robbins event I mean there's a lot of Conventions like this and there's a lot of guys who are out there selling this mindset kind of attitude like you know You got to be positive you got to have this they're selling this confidence and then people are like, how do I get confidence? What's confidence, you know If I pray enough, I'll be confident. No, that's not that's not it man I mean and that's why I keep telling you that's I think we have to sort of struggle against that impression because a lot of guys You know when they're when you like what's telling tony robbins is asking like three thousand dollars or four thousand dollars for a week End or something that he's doing to make you feel better. Yeah, just to make you feel better about your life And it's like in this case you're gonna get nuts and bolts. You're gonna get you're gonna get my material You're gonna get ed's material. They're gonna get everybody's material and you're going to Like last year. I had guys that were taking notes throughout the entire event Because and they're highlighting stuff and they're going, you know, they're really like it's almost like a class for these guys to Yeah, exactly Right there It's it's I don't want to say it's like a classroom type thing But it is in a way because you're getting a lot of you're getting a lot of bang for your buck And then after that you have access to all these great speakers and I think I talk I did two one hour speeches last year And I think I probably did eight hours of just informal talking with people, you know Around the the event and then there's the after parties. There's the there's yeah, there we go together. There's the networking Christian McQueen will probably be doing some infields. I'm sure Goldman will be doing something So there's always things that are going on that It's like this value added that you don't even realize is added And then I had guys telling me last year that, you know, I really felt good about it You know, I was kind of sketchy going in but then I made friends friends that I will you know Probably talk to you for you know the rest of my life It's so say you're building these relationships with other guys And you're you're growing and you're actually getting something for for your bucks. It's not like this Like I said, it's not a pep rally. It's not motivational. It's like Giving you nuts and bolts and tools for it. Yeah keeping it 100. Yeah, so now that I've given you the pitch Time you know, that's big what you just put in the chat there, anthony We accept volunteers at a big discount. Yeah Yeah, I got to talk to you about that. I got another guy who is Yeah, yeah pretty much the volunteer spots are for guys who really can't afford to attend no matter what So we open it. They still have to pay something but it's very minimal in exchange for five days of volunteer work Simple stuff, but we need bodies to help out. So it's a good it's a good thing And we'll keep taking them on and we'll keep figure out, you know finding guys who want to do that If you do want to volunteer to the event You can email us at tickets at the 21 convention.com and the subject line put volunteer 2018 So if you want to do that, we still have eight spots and we might take you on especially if you're local to florida But even if you're not we'll take you dude. It's funny. The guy is local in florida. How about that? Oh, yeah, the jackson one guy. Yeah, sweet. No, it's another day. It's actually another guy Oh, okay. Yeah, so Taking a step back there in florida. Jesus I mean a lot of florida men, you know, you've seen the twitter account. So I got a house there now too Yep, I wanted to say roly you mentioned a serious the convention is being taken more seriously now and I agree with you And I don't take any slight to it In part that's you know finding your work in the red pill that is what like in 2015 when I first found your blog That's what I was searching for but it didn't quite uh It didn't quite hit me like what I had found when I stopped it on your blog I just thought I found a cool blog and I was like, ah, maybe this guy's full of shit Maybe he's really smart. I gotta do more investigating as it turned out, you know, you're talking about so that's pretty awesome Plus something else another another person given some congratulates to anthony. You finally got shitposts now Yeah, that's when you know, you've made it when people are starting to give you a shit and make posts about how they don't like you Listen man, um a long a long time ago I forget who told me this right before I started my podcast He said look dude You can't listen the key is you do want to be polarizing if half the people love you and half the people hate you You're doing it right But if everybody loves you or everybody hates you it's not gonna work. So yeah, congratulations anthony I guess finally catching heat and hate and getting memes made about you. Uh, you made it brother Well, that's a thank you That's about to get a lot uh more intense though because on the fourth of july We are releasing the keynote talk. I gave it the event last year with socrates It's a super long video. It's over two hours long Rolo is a big influence for it as well as some other manuscript writers And that's the title of it's the future is masculine and that comes out on the fourth of july And basically it's a declaration of war on feminism Oh, yeah, I like that culturally, you know, politically socially stuff like that No violence, of course But it's a big deal. It's it's definitely the most uh controversial radical talk i've ever given And easily one of the most controversial ever given at the convention So i'm looking forward to putting it out and I think it's make some big waves I think rollo saw live and I think brine too I saw the recording and you're gonna trigger the fuck out of a bunch of people. Thanks And if you're Back to what donovan was saying if you're trying to be polarizing I don't think that's the key, right? I mean you either are polarizing or you're not I agree figure that shit out real quick when you're just trying to uh, you know chew on somebody's ankle and get some attention There is there is There is gonna try and there's only do and do not right here's the thing man, uh to bring it right around to sports There's a guy who works I think for fox sports now used to work for his pain his name is rob parker and this guy He's made a career out of being the contrarian to every to everything, right? So he goes around saying tom brady is not the greatest quarterback of all time He's maybe the number seven quarterback of all time and he doesn't believe that but here's the thing If if people took his stance if people said well, listen if if the general consensus was well Listen, if just because brady has five super bowl rings It doesn't mean he's the greatest of all time then he would be on his His crusade. No brady is the greatest of all time I can't stand people who are just who are perpetual contrarians just for the sake of being contrarian to me That's disingenuous. You're not using your own thoughts. You are parroting ideas for notoriety. I fucking hate that shit Oh, yeah, I don't sometimes I try to be uh polarizing But usually no I just do what I want to do and that tends to piss people off. So There you go. It works pretty good. I learned from the best too You know, I surround myself with people who are very triggering ryan ryan is particularly savage so It's like undercover savage, right because Ryan dude like ryan will sit there and he'll he'll deliver all these shims and do it with his smile on your face That's right He's coming out of my forehead now ryan's a school. He's sitting on his vodka I can just imagine now ryan like teleporting donovan like, you know donovan you talk too much And then he just like suddenly appears back in canada. Oh my god, what's the point? It's gotta be fun. It's a it's a boot. It's a boot time. You showed up donovan or Scottish i'm trying the canadian Was terrible A boot Jesus christ buddy, we're having to have a dirt here and you're just getting all fucking raging on me So for today's show we wanted to focus on uh collins and we had a theme for it too. I think right rollo, right, right, right Uh, anyways the the theme I wanted to throw out there I mean I just uh We could just simply take calls and just and that's fine if you guys want to call in and you want to just ask anything that's fine, but uh The the theme I was thinking of today was actually brought up by uh pat cambell and I probably end up hitting this theme On his show next week, but it is the signs that you are Or where you fit in as far as priorities are concerned with a woman So if you're in an ltr if you're in a marriage Uh, and the reason I kind of want to hit on this is that I think a lot of guys don't really realize How women prioritize things in their lives when it comes to like intersexual dynamics uh, this was sort of brought up when we were talking about um the pictures of uh, what was it uh, mika and uh, Joe scarborough recently because they're getting married and it was like this really cringe worthy moment on the show Where I think joe was trying to paw at her and he was like trying to touch her hand and she was just like No, joe don't touch me. And yes, yeah, we're on the air and and Then he looks to the two cucks on the side of it, you know on his to his side And it's just he's looking for support and they're just like You know, it's it's so interesting to see that was one thing. I mean we were talking about how How that you know when you're a beta and you're looking for like beta support from other betas It's like it's real that that's that's cringe worthy stuff But really what it is is I was just thinking it was like and we've talked about this before because in preventive medicine I I kind of outlined how women have different priorities for Their lives in the sexual marketplace at different times of their lives. So when a woman is like say at her sexual market peak She's at 22 23 years old She's prioritizing her like sexual needs or her or you know, what is what she's attracted to when she's aroused by um In a way that Is not going to be the same thing. It's like say when she's about to hit the wall So when she gets to be you know in the epiphany phase between like say 29 and 31 Her priorities change because her needs are going to change. So while she might be looking for alpha bad boy If she can find it She's really looking for the beta guy who's going to be a good provider that she can get some long-term security with And it's just at this kind of convenient moment where she's like saying, oh, I want to do things right now And I want to uh getting getting right with God or I want I've learned my lesson with the bad boys And I'm ready for a real solid relationship finally and you know, I've I've finished my Journey of self-discovery and you know, there's this there's this Rationality this reasoning that kind of goes along with all that But that led me to thinking like how do women prioritize the men in their lives because a lot of the The married guys that I work with and Ryan probably understands this too And I I see the women in these guys lives Just I don't know. It seems like they're like third or fourth on the list As opposed to like sake of the kids like there's there's always like when you when you're talking about parents and stuff like that Uh, the woman is always going to say well the kids come first or if you're dating a single mother You can always bet that the kid is always going to come first and you're going to come like maybe third or fourth You know next to her job or her family or some other shit like that That if that's I think a woman is kind of doing you a favor if she's going to vocalize that and tell you Yeah, you're you're maybe fourth in line next to everything else because what that does is it means that you're not wasting your time anymore You mean you could you could pull the uh the allen roger curry uh move and you're just like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm out. It's all pragmatism at that point But you know what you're getting into and I think that a lot of guys who are beta and are very Necessitous when it comes to women are happy to even just be number four in that list And so what I wanted to talk about today is just the signs of how you know where you sort of fit in priority Priority wise with a woman whether you're in a monogamous relationship with her or you are in you know, even just dating Uh, you know if she's a plate that you're spinning you're still going to be someone who she's going to fit in at You know as in a certain order of importance, I guess Uh, and so I just want to sort of cover What are some of the signs that says your number one in her life or your number four in her life? So if anybody wants to talk about that when you call in that's fine But I was also going to say that if you want to just talk about anything if you've got something else going on with you That's fine. Well, this is kind of like to put the the phone Systems and our new simulcast through the paces, but that's kind of what I wanted to touch on for this episode Yeah, um, listen, I'm not um I always let people know man. Like I'm I'm a simple guy, right? I'm smart and intelligent and all that but I'm not as scholarly as someone You know like rolo and ryan. I don't know how he does it He has a brilliant way of just kind of across us and information really quickly I don't know if he's not like a script or lines in front of him. I don't know how he does He's got like cheat codes or something, but I will say this the simple. I'm serious, dude I'm serious, but it's it's crazy But if you want to know where you are on a woman's on a woman's priority list At least at least from a sexual standpoint is this is real simple. She sucks your dick Okay, a woman who's dude if a woman is sucking your dick You are high up on her priority list because a girl could be fucking five different dudes, right? She's only sucking the dicks of maybe two of those guys possibly And the thing is this girls don't want to be fucking eight guys. They want to be fucking one guy, right? So the one guy she wants to actually stay with that's the guy that that's the guy's dick who gets sucked the most So if you want to know where you are on a woman's priority list, she sucks your dick and she always makes plans for you She's always available to you actually had a guy call into my show I think it was a couple of days ago And he was and he wanted to know hey listen, how do you know a woman prioritizes you? How do you know a woman prioritizes your time? Well, she always makes herself available to you. She is she's proactive and she's reactive Hey, you want to come over? Sure. I was going to study for midterm, but yes now that you are calling me That's what I'm going to do So a woman who is always available and a woman who always sucks sucks your dick You are at or near the top of her priority list Based on a long-term marriage. I mean once once they stop sucking it along the way You got trouble and then you got to figure out how to get it back You know motivate that right? It's funny too. Yeah jumping on the rollers thing where he's talking about and you're 100% right It's a couple things. It's either you're not the priority and they'll flat out say that or She treats strangers better than she treats you that's the other common threat and oh my god, dude When a lot of guys they think their girl is crazy they go oh, she's crazy. I'm like, well, how was she around strangers? Oh, she's nice and polite So she knows how to put it away when she wants to and you just gotta it's it's it's an easy thing like she's decided That she's her own center Take the lead from that Just do you if you're going to be fourth priority to her go out there and be your own first priority Nobody's going to wipe your ass but you I uh I get into a lot of trouble sometimes when I when I look at these pictures like guys Ever since I started doing this I get guys sending me these pictures of these couples Right, so it's like there's the guy and the girl It's yeah, exactly And it sort of came down it came to a head with the uh the mica and joe scarborough thing because in every damn near Every one of the pictures that I looked up on google images. She is like she looks like she's claire underwood from you know Halsa cards. I mean she's like right in front of them It's like she's she wants to present this image like they're this power couple And when you look at the body language between them and you look at like how he's He's really subordinate to to her in in so many different ways People think i'm crazy when I say that you know, oh, that doesn't mean anything. She was just doing this Or she I'm like no when you see that as a constant You know where she's looking off into the into the distance or you're you're there and the guy's like I think it was uh I saw pictures of cassie jay and her new fiance or husband or something like they're gonna They might be married right now. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Cassie jay as in jay. Yeah as in Yeah, too And this dude is one of easily one of the textbook beta And in every single i'll i'll show you the pictures but in every single picture She's like looking away and I'm in love And he is like leaning in trying to kiss her and like you know like he's you know He's he's grabbing her as if it's like Like he's he's mate guarding. It's like this this body language is sub communications where he's he's mate guarding And you can tell just from pictures like that Where that guy fits in In that woman's priority list And so that guy is definitely not number one because in the back of her head He is maybe number two or number three or number four Because she's still kind of her subconscious in her hindbrain is advertising I'm still available if alpha really wants me but i'm with this guy, you know, and I'm really But it's not because it's it's a form of advertising is what it is And so I look at these pictures and these guys will send me these pictures and they'll say What do you think of this? Is this an alpha tail? Is this a beta tail? The only time I think of an alpha tail or when a guy is the number one priority is when I see That woman looking at him and focusing on him and putting her attention at him That's when I know that that dude is number one and even if the guy is not necessarily what you would think of as alpha He is alpha to her because she has placed him as that number one. Is she sucking his dick? Yeah, she's probably sucking his dick, but she's doing more than that. She's admiring him She's waking up in the morning going god damn. I'm glad I'm with this dude, you know, or what what? You know, what are we going to do today? You know, how am I going to fit into this guy's frame today? and so there's this There's this almost unspoken unconscious recognition that she's with a guy who is the number one, you know priority in her life And she's going to put him first. I think a lot of I think a lot of like trad cons and red pill women want to think that that's what they're doing But they're not doing that even in there even when they're bullshitting about like, oh, yeah I'm going to put my man first if he's if he's a b c d and meets all my requirements That's bullshit. I think a lot of it comes down to like the fact that they they subscribe to what I've called the cult of the child they want to put the child before anything else And then maybe the the the guy comes after that and maybe the relationship and the marriage comes in after that Oh, look who we got. Oh, I got him now. All right, Carl. Yeah. Oh, this is ridiculous, dude He's leaning in for the kiss. Yeah Just look at some of these. Oh, he looks happier than she does. Oh my god. He smiles in every picture. Jesus fuck, dude Honestly, I think I can probably be cheating on him right now Yeah Listen, he's hugging her from behind and he's trying to kiss her on the cheek and she looks uncomfortable Oh, this is all this Yeah, I was I was an add to that I support particularly what ryan said about watching archetry strangers Because specific large-scale actions like for blowing you all the time that could be I mean that could be genuine that she sees you as your number one or whatever It could also be manipulation or game playing or fucking those but that too. Yeah, but what are the sides to know that? Yeah, well, I think it's the micro expressions how she treats strangers Does she admire you? Do you actually feel that or is that just bullshit in your head? So it's a reputation is what matters. So you watch how she treats your reputation Yeah, yeah So yeah, we just I don't I'm not particularly from from an experience. I'm not too keen on big big actions like that I mean, that's great if she's blowing me, but uh, you know, it could be all kinds of reasons I will tell you this. Uh back when I was married, um, we actually went to marriage counseling All right, was that Jesus Listen, man, I'm telling you man my story My my my journey of the red bill is unbelievable. A lot of people think it just happened in one fell swoop No, it took me 32 years to find the red bill But I remember we're sitting in the uh, we're sitting in the marriage counselor Of course, she's a fucking woman And so I said to her I was like, look man, like my wife treats strain I literally told her as I said, dude, she treats strangers better than she treats me Like what the hell is up with that? Like you like she needs to treat me, you know She needs to treat me like she treats strangers if she treated me like she treated strangers We wouldn't be here. So yeah, I totally agree with uh with ryan on that 100 percent If she treats strangers better than she treats you then dude, yeah Yeah, she treated the marriage counselor as like as like a buffer, right? So she could say she tried everything Oh my god, we stayed married for another three and a half years after that, but Yeah, and no, no. Oh my god. You guys are dude marriage counseling was my idea. Oh god. I'm gonna Oh, wow We learned the hard way whatever Man, yeah. Yeah, but I think would like what ryan just said, uh, yeah moment do that just to save face It's just like, uh, you know crossing off, you know crossing the t's and dot in the eyes is bullshit for an exit Right Yeah, let's take some calls. I roll a sudden. Let's let's get this going guys call in 914205 5356, uh, that is the number two call. I am. Yeah. Yeah the call software is up now Um, I think I think we said we were going to touch briefly again on this mass shooter Yeah, I mean, listen, we don't have to spend all day here. I think it's you know I think all the undertones are pretty obvious But even though we even though we talk about this seemingly every week To me it goes without saying that you know repetition is the key for anyone out there who doesn't who refuses to believe that What the what all of these mass shooters have in common is it's some fucked up thing happening with a woman either He's not getting laid somebody fucked him over some girl cheated on him It it what they all have in common is that they're not good with women. That's that's the moral of the story Yeah, I was gonna say I think it's we're being really flipping about it. I mean, it's every other week there's another there's another shooting these days and I mean, it's hot. We're getting desensitized to this but also in that desensitization I think that we're really kind of ignoring the science here. I mean this I'm I've I have all Reason to believe that this new guy was autistic Uh, had some sort, you know, maybe he was had asperger's syndrome. Maybe he had something else You know wrong with them and so that they're gonna, you know come out with all of the the reasons for Why this guy is A killer. Yeah video games or it's toxic masculinity. It's I mean, let's run down the list That's what was the first thing I said was like, let's run down the list. We're gonna talk about just massage any it's You know, we need more feminism You know, let's just because it's always they run down this this checklist of rationals for but what they don't see or they don't Want to see is that the guy really? You know was fucked over a long time ago and it's not that some woman owes him, you know, any attention or something like that it's just like At one point what what stage are we going to recognize that the the commonality For all these guys is the fact that they they can't get laid Yeah, he perceives an injustice because he's given the wrong set of information to base his worldview on right Right. Now what we got to figure out is why is this only started to happen in the last 10 years and not 25 years ago. What's this going on now that you know what that's a good question I think I might have part of the answer part of the answer is the age of the internet And you know, I think that could be the answer for a lot of different things, but now Sagan Fourth multiplier. Well, well, there you go. Yes, probably the probably the third or fourth multiplier at this point but the internet just allows it allows people to To consume content to make them to make them even more angry And I think and there's so I mean and listen girls are not tying the guys on the internet They make fun of these incels. Haha. I fucked him over. Fuck you. You can't get laid Blah blah blah like they see this stuff and they internalize it and pretty soon they lose their fucking minds That and social media, of course. Oh, we actually have a color on the line. Ah, it's taken to the front of the line Uh, ericode 585 you are on live with the red man group. What you got? Hi, can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Yeah Okay, great. Yeah, I'm on headphones Shout out to rollo over there and I talked to him just the other day. Can you still hear me? Yep Yeah, I can what's up talked him on I said I shouted out to him on twitter the other day cool And uh, I'm a dentist so point of origin. So everything's fantastic Important things I learned was nip it in the bud for when something starts up with whoever you're with Important that just initial hit is when you say Stop it or whatever you do to just stop bad behavior before it starts whether it's just shutting them down totally I mean, that's just helping so much. I I'd never even thought that before I read your stuff, which was A little over 40 a little around four years ago when I first, you know, yeah, exactly. I think uh I think really I think that kind of comes back to shit tests and frame and understanding what that frame is I've always told guys, you know when uh The frame that you enter into a relationship with is the frame that you're going to be starting from If you are ever to get into say a marriage or something like that and you will see testing of that frame I've written several articles about shit tests and the The subconscious, you know, kind of latent purpose of why women do that Women think that they they don't shit test or they don't think that they're doing that But they don't realize that they are doing that They don't realize that they're testing for a fitness for Both sides of hypergamy, which is alpha fucks and beta bucks So when you are in a dating situation when you're single Women give you what I call active shit tests where they're like, you know They're trying to rib you and they're trying to see if you get it and they're trying to see if you You're a guy who is, you know, really and you know has an alpha mindset or as an alpha guy Or if you're just faking it, you know, there's this sort of filtering that women like to do when it comes to guys to see You know, a are they worth fucking and then b are they worth are they somebody who is like say boyfriend material or relationship material And I think that that's the active shit test and then when you get into an ltr That's when the passive shit tests come because what the dynamic changes in that and in in a way that The woman is already committed to you and she's already has some sort of investment in you emotionally or investment in you in a family situation and then She's when when they're in an ltr the the passive shit tests come as The question is this guy the best I could do can I can I do better? Is this guy really She's trying to convince herself as you know that she should be with this guy or that she's making the most of her Hypergamy Well, she's still good looking enough to maybe swap this guy out for some something else for some other dude Especially in this day and age where divorce is really really easy Those shit tests have turned into what we call a divorce porn So we can watch these Yeah, we can watch these movies that say oh, it's so much the grass is so much greener If you just you ditch your husband and you know how Stella got her groove back or eat pray love that kind of vent out all those all those movies were really Prompted by that passive shit test and a guy's failing that and so eat pray love seems like this great idea You know now we live in a time where I don't have to be bonded to this guy And I don't have to worry about destroying my family or anything else because it's all about me and You know, it's it's really playing on this solipsistic nature of women But those shit tests those passive shit tests Really kind of come in in ltrs Whereas the active ones come when you're dating or you just when you just meet that girl And so I think a lot of guys need to sort of separate and make a distinction between those two But yeah, I'm glad you picked up on that. I'm glad I think that that's a real art If there's a if there's an art to game in marriage It's understanding those tests and understanding the real latent purpose and the real message behind those Hey, you weren't put on this earth to eat shit girl living so fucking right About frame you want me to tell you the most recent thing that happens So, you know now over the years there's been many. This is what happened the other day. I'm sure all of you know this Uh, I was talking to a girl. We've been seeing each other dating Not exactly a girlfriend. She said Hey, I I met him, you know, and uh, he was she was so cool. He was from out of town And uh, so I'll get coffee or whatever, you know, you know, you can meet this cool dude. He's She said no, it's not doggies She was devastated or whatever talk to the guy, but what I used to I'm talking about years and years This isn't fair. Oh, I did that with a girl. How would you get none of that? I why bring why bring arguments why bring logic into that, of course There you go. And so I just fuck up. Yeah, they were never gonna stick around anyway, right Right. I think a lot of guys, especially when they're when they're in that beta blue pill mindset They would do exactly what you're talking about. They would try to make it better. They would try to smooth it over Uh, I mean, I know because I shit. I mean back in my own blue pill days. I would have done probably exactly the same thing because Yeah, guys are natural problem solvers, but when you combine that problem-solving nature with With the blue pill and wanting to appease women and wanting to be serviceable I guess to women that's when you get yourself into trouble and that's when you lose frame And yeah, you're exactly right You probably would just be you know trying to smooth things over and make things right with her But what you did right is Is I think a key element to red pill awareness and to game which is Demonstrate do not explicate. And so when when guys say, oh, well, you got to have boundaries with your girlfriend Great, you know, fine have boundaries, but demonstrate those boundaries Don't don't explain to you know, don't give ultimatums ultimatums are just x You know, they're uh, I say they are declarations of powerlessness It's like when you're when you're that desperate to To say, okay, bitch, if you don't do what I say that I'm yeah, then I'm out of here Well, fine. You know what you do you don't say that you're just out of there You do exactly what you just did you demonstrated it and and did not explain it to her so that she can go Ah, this guy's off to Let me let me add to that rollo. He mentions. Uh, he mentioned something very important that I talk about an awful lot He says in his past He would have said well, you wouldn't like it if I met a girl and I wanted us all to go to coffee. Listen, man Never ever tell never ever tell your woman to put the shoe on the other foot or or Let play the situation out like like what if what if the what if the rules are reversed? Listen guys It never goes well. Here's why because in this particular situation. What a woman would do Let's just play it out. Well, what if how would you like it if I met a girl and I wanted us all to go to coffee You know what she's gonna say to you she's gonna say well, I would be perfectly fine with it I would be I would I would be completely okay with it because I trust you and I would want to get to know Your friend, right? That's what she's gonna do and and women will always be okay Okay With with putting the shoe on the other foot until of course the shoe is put on the other foot So there's no need to go into any explanations Never ever ever do that because they won't they will always tell you that they're going to be okay with you doing What it is that they don't really want you to do Yep, talk is cheap Right talk is cheap, man. I don't give a fuck never ever say well put yourself in my situation. Nah, bitch Dude, you handle that correctly, man Yeah, some of the best lines some of our guys use after a while is when they do that And you got to trust your gut a lot of guys in their gut They kind of know like this is a date you're going on Isn't it and they and they kind of but they don't want to look like they're angry or look butt mad is like Fuck you're gonna look but if you're my son a date with a guy, that's how it works But they'll say uh, yeah, my wife doesn't go on dates with other dudes and you just leave that's the only thing you say Like because it's honestly it's that it's uh, you're letting her know what your boundaries are You're not saying don't do it For some reason as soon as you tell a girl to do something or not to do something They're gonna do it just because because I don't know the spice girls or something Well, you know, uh, we were just talking about what I put up with We were just we were just we were just talking about you know What are the signs and what are the indications that you are you know Where you kind of fit on a woman's priority? Level if she's saying hey, I'm gonna go have coffee with this guy. I've got this new dude friend I know where I am on your priority list now. I was like I'm I'm not as high as this dude who you want to go have coffee with so All right, that's true the tone is it on a tone where it's something she has to do and she's trying to convince you That it's not going to be bad or she come with like a flip it like I don't even care what you think you are right there Good call. Good call. Yeah, very good call. Um Yeah, we got another caller on the line. Uh area code 708 708 you are on live with the red man group What's on your mind brother? Hey guys, can you hear me sure again? Loud and clear my gentlemen. All right pleasure to talk to you. Um Just uh, I wanted to go over a couple things that I'm struggling with. Um, I'm doing everything right Uh, I turned 40 in august never married. No kids own a business. You know good six finger income Uh, no debt. I'm well on my way to becoming, you know, hopefully seven figures in the next couple years He's the unicorn man. I'm just struggling with yeah, I'm not good. I'm not trying to be arrogant. I'm just No, I got you. I got you. Oh don't hedge. Oh, fuck I feel like you're goddamn right. I'm fucking unicorn. God damn it What comes next, you know, I'm just I'm I'm doing everything right. It's just I'm looking I look at my buddies They all you know got wives and kids and it's just I'm looking at him. I'm like I don't know if I want that but at the same time, maybe I do want a son You know, it's just what comes next. I've just I'm struggling there. You know, I'm turning 40 and it's like If I'm gonna do it, I better do it soon But you know, it's tough to me to you know, the right one. I don't know if that exists Um, I don't know. It's spoiler alert for me and yeah spoiler alert. She doesn't exist. I'll just go ahead and let you know right now uh roll I think you're probably the most qualified to lead off on this one. What comes next like the guy's done everything right He's got the you know, he's what do you want to come next? Really? I mean, that's the that's the thing is yeah, you're right You're you're in a position right now that a lot of men Would be envious of I I would think so Uh, I mean considering the state of marriage and considering the state of intersexual dynamics and even in the social realm Uh, you you have what a lot of guys Really would really want is to understand You understand the game you you're out. You're actually kind of like emancipated from From being, you know used or manipulated or or at least you you don't you can't plead ignorance right now I guess is what i'm trying to say is you can't plead ignorance in that you didn't know. Um, you didn't know any better You do know better so you are at a point right now where You can make an informed decision So if you decide that you want to have a son and you want to start a family I mean, there's nothing wrong with starting a family There's nothing wrong with doing that if you're doing it from a perspective where you are the you know, you're the primary It's your it's your frame where you are You know, you you can get into a relationship where a woman, you know, truly admires you and wants to to work with you I think that the biggest The biggest hurdle you will have well, first of all, I think you need to make the decision for yourself You need to say what do I want? I'm I'm 40 years old. I'm mature. I've got my shit together I understand your life Man, thank you. Yeah, exactly. If I was in your position right now I would be I probably would kill myself with all the options and just running around, you know doing stuff that I Would be wanting to do but I mean, we would just Out of just exhaustion, you know trying to follow up on all this stuff But I think really the first step is you got to really have some introspective and it just takes some time off man just go and take a week to yourself go do whatever the hell you want to do and You know hang out with friends or whatever but just use that as a time to sort of decide. Okay Plan ahead. What I'm what do I want my life to look like when I'm 50? And do I want a kid? Do I want a family? Do I want to have a woman? Well, if that's the case then how am I going to achieve that in a red pill aware way And what do what are the list of things that I need for myself to achieve that or to get into that? I'm not saying you should go get married. I'm just saying that maybe you should You know think about what it is that you want to do everything. So, you know, Rola's giving us advice You'll go get married. Well, no, I'm not saying that if that's the decision you make then that's the decision you make but Uh, I Go in you go in with full knowledge You go in with like, okay I know the risks and I'm this these are the risks that are acceptable to me and these are the risks that are not acceptable to me So, and maybe that's not it. Maybe you just want to have a really long, you know, steady girlfriend Maybe you just want to have You know, if you want a son or you want a daughter you want kids with you You know, you're not getting any younger I mean there's there is something to be said about having kids a little bit younger in life Uh, my daughter was born when I was 30, right? So was I, you know, fully aware and fully actualized as a red pill guy when that happened? No, but I'm kind of glad that I did it earlier rather than later because I see these guys who are like 38 40 45 who Who have kids right now and they're going to be entering into these stages of maturity as a man that Parenthood puts you into and they're going to be like my age when their kid is like 10 years old So There's something to be said about that. I'm not saying you have you're making up for time But I'm just saying you're in a better you're in the like the ideal position I think for guys to actually do what the hell that you want to and do it from an informed Position so just figure out what it is that you want to do and then just go for it really listen I think I think I think he may have indirectly told us what it is. He really wants it sound He says I might want a kid. I might listen You don't say I might want a son if you don't really want a son So keep it real like are you thinking about having kids? Is that something that you want in the not-too-distant future? Donovan, you know, I just I think about here. I'll help you here flip a coin Here's a coin heads as kids If it lands on one inch arguing the point, you know exactly which one you want No, sorry I was a yeah, I think I think Ryan's right It's funny I used to say flip a coin because there was a time when I was deciding whether or not I wanted to stay in Los Angeles if I wanted to move up north to To Lake Tahoe and I was like, well, I don't know if I want to do it A guy said just flip a coin and really that's how I made the decision. I was like, okay I'm out. I'm gonna just go to Tahoe now And it was literally came down to a coin toss because it was just pulling a trigger Just deciding where I wanted to go and what I wanted to do. No kid. Listen I think I have kids is not that's not something to put the coin. I mean, I guess we're all I guess we're all about about the coin pulling it. Yeah, it's not about the coin though Just wanted to make that let's get Texan on this I mean, you're in a position of strength I mean my grandma used to say you ain't bragging if you can back it up So everything you told us about your life is pretty damn good Just make sure like like Royo said, you know maintain your frame. I love that man, Royo Maintain your frame at all times and if you decide you want to have kids You'll know you want to have kids and then make sure you choose your partner with impeccable standards You're gonna be with her for 20 years. Yeah for 50. So when he's about 55, he will have found someone where they'd have his kids There you go 15 years I appreciate that guys. Thank you very much. Thanks for calling man airy code 716. You are live with the red man group It's on your mind, but uh Hey guys, how are you doing today? Good Hey Hey listen, I got a question regarding possible You know, you got the women in their menstrual cycle. So you got the alpha phase. You got the beta phase. Okay Can guys get in trouble acting alpha in the beta phase? When it comes to possibly harassment. Oh, so do you think the women could actually be in the beta phase? Guy comes in acting alpha. Oh my god. Hashtag me too. Are guys getting in trouble the uh the Meaning the wrong phase with the woman. Do you think I'll hang up and listen guys? Thank you Yeah, thanks for the call now when he says, uh beta phase He's talking about okay. He's talking about a thing actually it sort of goes back to my first talk Uh at the 21 convention, which was hypergamy micro to macro and this is the micro part of it Uh, I talk about uh ovulatory shift for women. Uh in their proliferative phase. They are looking for more masculinized More masculinized faces more masculinized features are looking for really that kind of alpha male guy that guy Who is who they want to breed with that's how I always that's how I kind of rationalize I guess alpha fucks and beta bucks and in women because In one part of their ovulatory phase that's menstrual cycle They are really predisposed to having sex with the guys who are more, you know, like said masculine Uh, they there's a great book. I don't have it here with me right now but it's by uh, dr. Marty hassleton who's been studying this kind of stuff for 20 25 years now doing all your research. She's a doctor She is evolutionary psychology at UCLA anyways What she found was that women tend to be more restless when they're in their it's called a proliferative phase It's like the the I think about the 12th Seven days before she actually ovulates that she's looking for a guy to basically Fertilize her the guy who is like, you know Above average the the hot sexy fireman guy That's the dude that she's looking for during that that alpha what I call the alpha phase Then after she's ovulated and she gets into what's called the the luteal phase where she's sort of flushing out her system That's when she gets pms. That's when she starts looking for comforting Features she's looking for more feminized features and guys. She's that's when she calls her emotional tampons to complain about the alpha dude You know, she's looking for her orbiters to go and pat her on the back and say it's okay. Don't worry You know, he's a bastard Is there an article on this? Oh, yeah, there's a whole book on it man. Just read my I'll I'll send you the I've got a great post called your friend menstruation that will I can't believe you're actually hearing this for the first time. Oh, yeah, you're blowing my mind But uh, or just watch the watch my my first talk for uh, right 21 convention. Anyways, the the luteal phase She's looking for a more comfort rapport. She's looking for that beta provisioning because she wants to know everything's gonna be all right The reason for that and this this is something new that I read I learned from reading hormonal Which is the book from marty hassleton Uh, it when when a woman gets into that phase when she's in the luteal phase She is and this is a ghost effect of the question. She's looking for a guy. She's looking for comfort She's looking for support. She's looking for for help, you know for help from her for girlfriends She's not feeling, you know, quite the way she was when she was, you know, hot and active in her proliferative phase And the reason for that are the this is the theory is that she it's sort of a a short term uh, period of Um, nesting she she might think that she's actually pregnant and so she's got she kind of puts her mentality into this nesting Uh mode and so she's hoping that she's going to be pregnant and she's hoping that that the the Sex she had in her alpha phase is going to take and so she's she's wanting support And she's needing people to come and help her out and and be familiar faces and to love on her and everything And then the cycle repeats itself once she's done with with that The luteal phase and she goes back to the alpha phase and she's starting to look for more more alpha guys So can a guy get into trouble during that luteal phase? Uh, yes and no, I think it just depends on the impact of That alpha, uh, I always tell guys I said, you know, hypergamy is not a straight jacket I can tell you I'll just give you a quick personal example What I mean by that is I can tell you back in my rock star 20s There were at least two or three girls that I had had sex with that were like same night lays and Of those women, I think two of them were actually On their pair. They were on the rag right then when I met them But that puts them in that luteal phase that puts them in that one But I think is as if a guy makes a strong enough alpha impact Uh during that phase she's going to You know push off those feelings so that she can lock down that alpha so that when she comes back around into the Into her alpha phase that that guy is still going to be there. They always talk about how women Uh women will have sex with guys and not have an orgasm Okay, they won't have an orgasm because they're not that they say well, they're not that into it Well, but they'll still have the sex or we'll talk about non-enthusiastic sex where it's kind of like this meh sex Is what they call like this gray area sex, but the woman is still having that sex And why is she doing that? Why is she putting me? And why is she just having sex that she doesn't want to have well Most likely it's because that she is in her luteal phase and she's in what I call the down cycle She's in the in the beta phase and so what happens is There Yeah, can a guy get in trouble? Sure, but I'm not going to say like on the first pass or the second pass or third pass I don't know because I think it's sort of contextual with the woman And and what she thinks about it So if she keeps coming back to the asshole alpha all the time But she has like beta orbiters to sort of lift her up and to support her when she gets into her luteal phase Maybe maybe not. I think I I do understand the concern particularly in the age of me too But I would say It really kind of depends on the alpha impact and the guy who was alpha When she was in that phase and she was having you know Pre-ovulatory sex with that guy and what her attitude is to him afterwards where she gets into that You know that stage where she needs that comfort so I Can you do that? Yeah, sure But I don't know. I think it's really more important to have a strong alpha Impact that carries through Uh all all stages of her menstrual cycle now see that that to me that what now that blew my mind guys Listen, man, I've had I've had a lot of success with women and I have never I've never heard anything like that in my life Dude guys, this is free information man I'm telling you I learned just as much from my audience and from you guys as I do when I when I teach the world That to me that was solid goal, dude. I would never thought of it that way I'm gonna I'm gonna post this in our chat and then if you guys want to copy and paste that into the youtube chat That's fine. Actually. I think I can do that again. Yeah uh, this is uh What I'm posting here right now is the link to that Article that arose called your friend menstruation. It goes through how you can use ovulatory shift as a Sort of a guide to help you with your game really Do that for a while. I think gosh, I feel when did I write that? I think I rose that back in 2012 He's right. Yeah, listen now. You're making me look. Yeah, that's old news. It's like a decade ago Yeah, dude 2012 to 2014 has so much gold in it. I honestly think of it It's like the red pill golden years old any there was I want to I want to get one question in because I just got a Question texted to me for for anthony It's about seeking arrangements began there. That's why I wanted to ask you because I don't know I've never done seeking arrangements and and this might benefit some of the listeners as well Do you like do you pay for seeking arrangements or how does it work? I I wanted to I just wanted to get an idea because I got some people who are asking me about You know, they're they might actually be in a stage where they're like Restarting their lives or this guy who called in who was this what reminded me of it This guy who is you know 40 and has everything going for him in his life But it's it's like how do you get into seeking arrangements and and how does that work for you? Yeah, so I personally don't pay any of the girls, of course For many for many reasons So if you're a sugar daddy though, you're supposed to do that But i'm not a sugar daddy. I'm a salt daddy Yeah, there you go. They get sugar, but it's very salty and that's all they get But do you pay for do you pay for the service itself? Are you like a member of a service or something? How does how does the how does that work? How does a membership work? I think that's what yeah The women don't have to pay for anything as far as I know I haven't made a female account yet, but as far as I know, they don't have to interact But as a man, you have to pay for it just sucks So I don't use it all the time like every few months I'll get back on it and then I'll stop because it's 80 bucks a month or 90 sometimes What's the price 80 dollars a month usually? Yeah. Yeah, that's month to month if you do yearly It's probably cheaper or something and and so like Is that are you how does that differ from like say tender or something? I got are you more on control for that? Well, it's quadruple the price So number one it's just like i'm really going to drop 80 bucks a month on this or am I going to go on tender Because that it's like a value proposition I want to drop 20 bucks a month on tender plus or free or 80 bucks a month on seeking arrangement and bang You know basically want to be escorts who are like kind of pseudo escorts But for free Um, so what was your question that's specifically again? How do I I just want to know like how okay well like how uh, how does it compare to tender but also um But so Let me hit that before we do you need to like do you still need to use game? Are you is it just like a sure thing? No, no, no So the big difference between tender and seeking arrangements is that the girls on seeking arrangements are always ready to go They're always on They're they're on there specifically to Basically get as much money as they can and fuck but fuck as minimally as possible Unless they encounter a guy who they think is a unicorn, which is what I play They basically a lot of girls on there have called me. Uh, what is it from the movie christian gray? So I put my I bumped my age a little bit I say i'm like 31 instead of 29 and then you actually set your own value for how much you're worth in money So I put like 10 million 10 million dollars So you actually have to put that on as like your profile Yeah, and you yeah and you pick it and you can get it verified if you want But I don't get it verified and I think they just assume it's all legit So they see me Well, so they see me like shirtless, right? They see I'm like the CEO of some company I don't put the company name and then they see that i'm young i'm attractive Compared to the other guys i'm like a fucking 11 because most guys on there are like fat old and balding Uh pretty I mean that's why they're on there. They can't bang any other women So I go on there. I'm like, hey, like I'm worth 10 million dollars and 31 I'm hung like a horse And then I'm always like kind of like ryan's pointed out In general with tender when I meet woman out. I'm very aggressive and sort of But with seeking arrangements, I take it to the next level. It's it's nothing but sexual content nothing Because I don't want to deal with women who are just like very diligently after the money I want the girls who are like kind of into it kind of not so they're on tender and seeking arrangement at the same time Usually so I end up kind of fitting into their head as some guy who they think is hot So it'll be fun if they fuck me and we'll get a bunch of money But we never kind of discuss that and then my from what I understand of how it's going on in their head They just like me and then they're like it's a value proposition They're like do I want to risk offending this guy and getting him, you know pushing him away Or can I just get money from some other guy some other trump and then just keep banging this guy and in their heads It was rationalize it. It's just the answer So does the app does the app or I guess it's an app right the seeking arrangements. It's a website in an app Does it pay the the girls for going out to see you or something? I how do they do that? No, no, no, no They got to get the money from you directly Seek arrangements doesn't transfer the money I'm just going to ask the obvious question because I'm sure it's going to get asked in the in the chat Like doesn't this like pre-pose women to being like these super gold diggers Yeah, I mean it facilitates gold digging is really what it's doing It's about I should mention I guess Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think it's great. I think so let me mention this too the quality of women. Well I'm using that term loosely, but the quality of women on seeking arrangements physically It physically is a lot higher not a lot higher, but it's significantly higher than tender Because if they're not hot, they're not gonna they're usually not going to get a lot of money or bang a lot of guys What's the demographic for the girls that are on there? Like is it like are they like from like 20 to 30s? I mean are there older women on there? I don't know There's some older women. I've seen up to 40s and 50s, but that's pretty rare Usually it's 30s and 20s and then a couple like late teens About the body But the best ones the best ones are like 19 to like 23 Because usually that's the first time on there. So they don't know about salt daddies I'm not the only guy doing this and a lot of guys that do seeking arrangements are going to hate me for talking about this I actually posted on a on a large kind of pickup poa group on facebook once and I got instantly banned Because a lot of the mods because a lot of the mods do this and they're like shut the fuck up like it's a gold mine And it's legit like if you know if you have any decent game and you have a frame like I'm gonna bang these girls And I'm not gonna pay them. I don't give a shit I mean if you fuck them good anyway, they're not gonna care. It's they just want alpha fucks and beta bucks So where do you fit into that? Yeah, listen somebody somebody just said in the chat our dudes really considering tricking on women No, you are tricking women. Like this is what this is Like that's what this is and and if any girl if any woman is watching this or any Want to be alpha who's a you know, basically a beta male at alpha's clothing says, oh my god You're deceiving women here. Oh my god again. No, listen, sweet Women do this to men all the time dude. Let me let me tell you this I fucked the hottest woman in my life from seeking arrangements. She was half black half purge And she's fucking beautiful when I fucked her in la she rolled up in a Bentley Yeah, she I didn't even know I didn't even know what it was. I hadn't seen one in a while I'm like, yeah, what kind of cars that she's like Bentley Just like stone and fucked her 15 minutes later So it's uh, it's just awesome. You bang super hot women. You don't pay them shit They end up liking you and they drive like super nice cars because some dude that's like 80 years old is paying for it So they don't yeah, it's just it's a fucking wild time and actually one of the speakers got me into it One of the fitness speakers actually ironically Well, that was my question Yeah, who got me into it. Yeah, he actually he didn't recommend like lying like I did by my value He was like, oh, you could just be honest. You could tell him you're going places and they'll probably bang you And I was very skeptical in general. I was like, why the fuck am I gonna do this? I can just go to bars. I can pick up girls there. I can go on tinder. I can go on bumble And then you say one of them Yeah, yeah, yeah, but seeking arrangements. It's fun. It's uh, it's like a sport and these girls are manipulating men Anyway, all the time to get money out of them. I don't give any fucks about it Sounds like topless dancers just on the line, right? Yeah, no, it's a lot of girls too though that are like, yeah There is a lot of girls on there who are some girls on there It's fucking escorts or hookers basically But a lot of them are just girls who are like everyday American girls in college And they hear about this thing and they're like, oh, I can get a bunch of money from some day to chump And they'll kind of like lightly dabble in it and let me be going on a date a lot of guys flake I don't I roll up like any mini van if I'm like traveling or something I actually rolled up with it and when I actually I fucked a sugar baby in less than an hour after landing in Denver one time. Oh my god I rented a minivan specifically. I was like, you know, I was like, I don't know if this didn't happen But just in case let me get the minivan and sure enough Yeah, it was awesome It's it's a it's a lot of fun. Did you add it like a child car seat in there? Geez All the seats flat so it was really nice Dude, basically what this is man, it somebody actually put this in here Says in insight scoop on hypergamy. This is this isn't hypergamy in reverse This is deceiving women like they deceive men like women want women want men to think that they are Something else and and all it's just men figuring out what women have done for I'll say this Yeah, I mean my company can be worth whatever anyone's willing to pay for it So my value that's kind of up in the air on that But in terms of like, you know, deceiving them I'm not promising them any money ever. So I'm not there is there isn't any explicit bullshit I'm just all I do is talk about like, you know, I'll send like a like a dick pic. She'll send nudes back We go back and forth If they try to talk about money, I'm like, oh, we'll talk about it in person And of course they never do they don't have the uh the nerve to do it Usually with me with other guys they might with me. I like roll up and we're making out within a few minutes or something So, yeah There isn't a lot of explicit there's not any explicit to see it's just like I'm this guy I want to fuck. I'm probably loaded with a bunch of money, but we're gonna fuck anyway, and then whatever happens That's solid Yeah, that's fun. I mean if you're a decent looking dude, you can kill it on seeking arrangements And you're willing to pay 80 bucks a month. It's uh, it's not bad. Not bad Good very good very good nine one four two five five three five six that that is the number to call um, we had another um I thought we had another question that someone had texted. Uh, I think they texted it to rollo for anthony or something like that That was that was it. Okay The mug of salt daddy Are you a sugar daddy? No, sweet arm of salt daddy. Oh my god. What's that? I didn't even know what that was until he started calling me that I'm like, what is that? Oh, yeah, makes sense. It's starting to make me feel old. I kind of miss the days where you would just have to Experience more and different things and then fill that network organically like that Like go to conferences on stuff you wouldn't have interest in or pick up rock climbing rock climbing in victoria where I used to live Was a huge pickup community Uh, for some reason girls with strong grip was like a thing Really? Yeah, well, it's kind of granola town too, right? It's like what san francisco was like if it knew how to work out so Yeah, they'd be like rock climbing groups. There was even like a luge group because there's a Washington mountain was a little ways up There's always niches. You just got to find more niches. Yeah, but you know, I guess I guess with uh seeking arrangements of that it just cuts out all the extra work and saves some time All right, gotta call in from the 702 vegas. You are live with the red man group. What's on your mind? Hey, donovan is fine. Hey, what's going on bud? Give a shout out to all Hey, give me a call shout out to all you guys. I'm looking forward to seeing you all at the 21 convention and uh Oh, yeah If can you all give me some uh some information? I'm preferably about entertainment wise like music red pill music some real red pills Because the simp is shit that's out there is killing me right now Yeah, definitely stay away from uh from most country music. Uh, I don't know I would recommend um I don't know for me, uh, you know anything nwa You know dr. Dre Dude, everything dude listen everything jz does is 100 red pill listen And I don't want to unfortunately, but a lot of guys are looking for red pill music and one guy asked in a chat All the time I go, hey, I'm looking for red pill music other than rap. I'm like dude. I don't have an answer for you, man Uh, I don't know. I don't like my music reflecting my values. I just want to catch you beat something I can listen to You know, it's interesting you say that because I listen to music just based on the way it sounds I never I don't listen to lyrics, but every once in a while somebody drops, uh, you know, these hosane loyal I was like, oh shit. What's that? You know, that was chris brown back in 14 But yeah, those would be my recommendation. I get I get what he says. I mean, I'm a musician I didn't know that text is probably a musician too looking at the back there, but um I I understand I get this question a lot In fact, people have asked me to write a post about that I think this is probably one thing I haven't written about but uh I wrote a post called the red pill lens and the red pill lens is like once you become red pill aware You sort of see all this stuff going on around you In society With your friends with your family I mean, you can't once you once you put the red pill glasses on you don't really you can't go back You can't you can't not Yeah, and um I think that it's important. I'm glad that guys are starting to finally understand um I'm finally trying to understand that that there are You know the things that are there in their in their environment in their media in their music in pop culture Is it's just completely saturated by this blue pill This blue pill ideals, you know, that's like, uh, if you listen to any anything popular music anything like you would You know pick up on a top 40 station. I think even like really going back to Older music as well. Like if you're listening to stuff from the 70s and the 80s and the 90s and stuff I mean, I'm really people ask me this question all the time. What kind of music are you doing? Well, I mean, I love thrash metal I'm like I'm an old school 80s metal guy. I like that stuff but I think that even in The 80s stuff even in hard rock. We're seeing sort of a shift Into this mentality where like all the songs that you would have listened to back in the 80s Like say if you're listening to like the the old, you know, hair rock and hair metal They're the lyrics that they're talking about when it comes to like they're talking about women or how great they are in bed Or, you know, they're sexual like said they're sexual prowess or whatever. You're not smooth You know that kind of shit you would never hear a song even considered To be uh, I'm like, what the hell is that you're gonna smoothie? Yeah You would not even hear music like that being created today Because that's the mentality that like guys who are creating new music today And most of it's not all that good But the guys who are creating that music would never It would never occur to them to write something Like van Halen did back in the day or poison did back in the day or motley crew did back, you know All those stuff when I'm talking about girls and and all that other shit You're never going to hear that kind of stuff anymore. I'm not saying that that was particularly red pill But it was at least It was at least indicative of the mindset of that time It's like the same thing for like comedians today comedians won't go and play college campuses anymore because The audience is too sensitive and they're all these, you know, they're gonna have to retreat to their safe spaces It's the same thing with uh With music today. So what where do you look? Um, I don't know man. I I listen to slayer I think you gotta go back to things that you enjoyed in the past because everything you look at now with the red pill lens movies media books Um music it's all it's all crap now. It's like everything you see so for me I go back to the van halen and things like that back in my younger days because I loved it back then I still love it now and I don't have to listen to the new crap Hey, have we had carl on yet? Has he said anything? Oh my god Uh Carl Scott is my other hand muted. There we go. Yeah, I'm a lie, but ryan is right. I'm really fucking on over It makes you feel any better ryan finally bent the knee and bought a new shirt. So yeah, just Carl On them you look again to one thing here, but I think the three last questions are basically on the same thing Because you have the school shooter thing which is basically people not having sex and then killing people then you have the What if you act alpha during her? Comfort phase and you get a me to complaint and this third one is about music and what happens when you can't enjoy life and I think overall Guys are getting into this weird messaging where the downside of not having sex in a society that's obsessed with it And that's throwing it in your face all the time They think they're failures, but even statistics show that millennials are not getting laid all that much So you have a signal that everyone's getting laid and then you have a reality that says a lot fewer people are getting laid Millennial males aren't getting laid millennial females are getting fucked like goddamn porn stars like let's let's let's keep it 100 there Oh, I read that uh san diego study where they did the survey on that and it was college educated female millennials No, like once you get low on the associate like yeah, super low Like uh, it's essentially like no offense Like Detroit lower income stuff and then upper income college stuff everybody in the middle is still getting fucked even the girls Or like getting pinched check this out if you're a girl and you go to a four-year school You're getting fucked. I don't care what I don't care what your socioeconomic classes I mean, dude, listen colleges are are literally buffets They're they're pussy buffets like honestly if you go to college, dude I had no game to speak of in college and dude Fucking girls left and right no game to speak up I don't know if you know this but uh colleges are also sugar baby factories, particularly Orlando But they they they make them the student the the uh tuition so damn high That they go into sugar baby being I like I like what carl said though. I think uh, I think you're right I think it's it's indicative of this new generation Is that we're finally seeing a new generation of guys coming up into adulthood who have been brought up in safe spaces who've been You know completely browbeaten about their masculinity toxic masculinity and they they need to be emotional and they need to you know They've been raised like they're defective girls. I was just talking about that in my last post Also, even the music thing I've got a a link in that put my most recent post about how I mean really scientifically music is getting worse because it Because we have such an we have all of this technology that facilitates You know Creativity uh interconnection between people, you know, there was no red man group. There was no, uh, you know game to say in 1995 and But that didn't mean that those dynamics were gone But it's just that the the people who are living in that time just were brought up in a different way And so now you're seeing, you know school shooters. You're seeing uh in cells running, you know trucks through crowds of people and There's no you just you're seeing that. Yeah, exactly. There's no outlet There's no there's no place to to put that sexual frustration. You know, I was Freud said that you know all All energy is sexual and so when you can't redirect that sexual energy into something creative Well, then you channel it to something destructive and I really think that this generation of men are channeling it to destructiveness Well, you could just buy a sex Here we go You know from now on on every show there's going to be that Yeah, you have 40 year old guy there. There's your clip of coin get a doll or get a kid or something Check this out. Um with regards to the music was funny. I was listening to a uh, uh, to a really famous, uh, Sports Talk radio show a while back and I remember they were making they were making fun Uh, you know the social justice warrior environment that we had and one game they talked about they said What if Mike Tyson's punch out came out in 2017? Guys were all confused or like, no think about it. Piston Honda the great tiger with the turban and everything like Like it would never make like that game would be on the shelf for five minutes before people are outside bitching and protest Protestin that's where we are with music man. You can't you can't even be you can't even start to talk about the real truth About the sexual dynamic between men and women. Otherwise, you know, people go fucking crazy And why do they go crazy because they have the internet where they've got all of these people who are there to back them up You know, they have all the man the internet runs the world man There have been more careers ended by social media than anything else in the past three four years Like since honestly since when did we allow people who don't really matter? Dictate whether people get fired or not right like the whole world all of the all of these outrages It's always twitter. It's always facebook and then companies hope they over correct the situation They end up firing somebody wait You mean you're going to listen to you're going to listen to the outrage You know the outrage the angry mob and determine the the the direction that your company goes just based on people's emotions. It's ridiculous Hey, so we had a question from the chat. I thought we should take uh, I knew the we have a terry croup There's a call for terry cruise. Actually. No, it wasn't a call. It was actually a it was actually a question He wants to know uh, what our thoughts are on on terry cruise terry cruise happening Well, the thing is well, yeah, you know, of course, but but terry cruise I think the first time I think we all saw him I don't know. He might have been terry tate the office line back or maybe I'm thinking of somebody else We all know who he is. He can you know, he can shake his tits. He's on brooklyn 911 You know basically the guy's a genetic freak You know, he's got muscles in his fucking eyeballs But he all of a sudden he has sort of taken it. He's done what uh rollo talks about a lot Is he starts off alpha and then over the past couple of years he has turned into a complete He's I mean he's turned into a complete white knight. He talks about toxic masculinity He talked about having a well, I don't know. You know, he talked about having a porn addiction I don't know if that I don't know if that this or I don't know if that counts for that But let me begging porn stars in his case Not well, he's got a porn addiction So I don't know he might have might have been begging porn stars But he said that he he reported Apparently he had gone to capitol hill and talked about the fact that he had been sexually assaulted And then someone asked him why he didn't fight back and I mean it's it's like he's become He's become a woman and you look at the guy and the guy is again. He's a genetic freak How does that happen? How long has he been married? It's something changed in his life. I remember about five years back He had a reddit thing where he had people help build him a pc so he could game with this kid. Oh, yeah There for a while. Yeah, rebecca king cruise. Okay. She's a white girl and she has very short Uh blonde hair. I think uh lube mila volbit drago from rocky or bridgett nielson Call the manager That's the easy answer girls with short hair are always bitches and always how to do it. Yes, like me I'll add uh very roll of go Just real quickly here. I I would say something's probably changed in his life And he feels like it's necessary for him to like step up and like Be the I think one of the the things I think that guys like this think that they need to do is like They're big. They're muscular. They're what everyone would say is, you know, masculine Uh, they they want to be the representative of all guys They want to they want to speak for men around the world and whenever I hear any guy Step up to a microphone and say I speak for all men I think of the guys in the good man project and those guys are you know, dear woman. We're sorry I wish guys on behalf of my men Yeah, we're sorry for being such men, you know, and it always comes off I mean if there's any indicator that a guy is beta and blue pill, that's it if he's trying to speak for all men and trying to Stay he's a representative of conventional masculinity, uh, that I know what I'm dealing with when I get I know what I'm Make me violent thoughts, man. I'm not kidding. I'll I'll add this real quick So things may have changed for him in recent years like the reddit thing that ryan mentioned and his kids and stuff like that But I would also say and I'll see if rollo agrees with this or whoever wants to jump in I would think that part of what we're seeing with terry cruz is that Old blue pill beliefs he's had for a long time are just surfacing because of these events So he circumstances may have changed for him But in his head a lot didn't and now we're just seeing that surface over time Whereas before the appearances were deceiving he feels comfortable coming forward now is what you're saying And I think that and I don't know anything about his wife. I could be mistaken But if she's short here and she kind of has that look I would suggest that there's probably some Back and forth between her and him now. I'm going to say something here. That's going to be probably rubbed people the wrong way Here we go. Yeah, okay. Uh, yeah ready. Okay. Um I I used to be a really big fan of calling cappermake. Okay. I was a big fan of his Yeah, I went to unr hometown hero Made it big and I mean shit. He took the niners to the the super bowl lost But still took him to the super bowl on his like one of his rookie years. I think Great guy, um, you know, everybody loves menderino. Okay until he started taking a knee until he started that You know that he wanted to be kareem Abdul-Jabbar He wanted to you know, give these big huge afro and he suddenly took an interest in black lives matter Now i'm not saying there's anything wrong with black lives matter I am That's fine. I'm not yeah, you're allowed to I'm not getting into that I'm gonna say what I want to focus on is I want to focus on the the fact that He made these changes he made these shifts and suddenly he's a social justice war and suddenly he's concerned with the plight of of Black men or he suddenly uh, he has all of this social Interests that he never had before and so i'm like Why is this guy doing this now? And so I went and I did a little bit of research and I found out that he's he was seeing nessa diap I don't know if you guys know who nessa diap is she was she was on mtv. She was uh, she's a dj I think or a talk show hostess in new york 36 years old well past her age of of the wall now I'm not saying she's not bad. You know, she's a good looking girl But like 36 37 38 years old whatever she is She's well past that she's well past the the smp bay rp. Okay He's 29. She's 36. He is way overly invested in her one of the reasons he lost so much weight He was unable to play for so long is because he decided to go vegan for her He started taking interest in her political Uh leanings he started taking interest in her religious leanings So so suddenly this guy who was raised by two white christian parents Is now leaning towards uh islam and why because he was beta enough to change his religion for her He is beta enough to stop eating meat To appease this woman Is beta also enough to take a knee because it's going to make him Seem that much more endearing to this girl that he has a real heart on for now I looked also looked on this and she did exactly the same thing with another basketball player I think so she has this history of dating these guys who are, you know top athletes, I guess and Kind of turning them around against like this would she be a good a good example of the dangerous woman Show when we do that next week, okay She would be a real good example of that in that she drew the drop drew him in and pretty much everything he has done for That's been in the public spotlight has been sort of an act of appeasement for his girlfriend So i'm wondering if there's not an element Like this to what's going on with terry cruise right now. That's why i was asking well What's his wife like so what's his home situation my my only question on the terry cruise thing is If one of you guys walk up and grab me by the junk i'm probably going postal on your ass Yeah, I don't understand this whole big manly You know muscular guy letting somebody just grab his junk like that. I just don't fucking get it I Where did that? You know, when did that become you know, is that just hollywood? What am i missing? I think grab him hard. Don't make like keep that eye contact I think it's I think it's feminism continuing to run its course You know if you know Emasculating men and teaching men to tolerate this kind of crap Whereas like you like too, right? Oh, yes, I go ahead. I'm coming out. I was I was gonna say like text So you're right text you're older and if someone grabbed your dick you probably punch them in the face instantly It wouldn't even be a thought and that's normal and that's rational mode. So Yeah, that's because i'm a rational male Yeah, exactly when I get with hollywood for him that guy grabbing his ass probably was like if he did anything to him He would have been black listed like I get that but at the same time Then you can't bitch because you made a choice my career is more important than this hand on my ass Just fucking own it I think that's the part that bugs me about terry is that you're trying to have it both ways like a girl does Can't do that. He doesn't really work that way never works that way man ever and with with regards to with regards to callin cappernick and you know I'm not going to turn this into a fucking, you know protest podcast because this thing will go on till till fucking tomorrow But there there there are always two sides to this a lot of people and it's interesting because recently If I can hide this while kevin mcayle who used to be the head coach for the houston rockets was seen and was spotted holding up a sign of Trump rally So everyone jumped on him. Oh kevin mcayle must be fired or he must never be able to work in the Again, right? So then we had people talking about oh wait a minute Kevin mcayle can't be punished for his political beliefs because he's exercising free speech And what and the people's objection was well, listen freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences But those same those same sons of fucking bitches want to turn around and bitch and complain that callin cappernick has been Indirectly blackballed by the league. Listen bro. You made your choice, man And the thing is this whether I agree or disagree with the fact with the reasons why he dealt Nope for the national anthem is irrelevant. The point is is that you can't piss off the customers That's what I don't do and and listen as americans We're allowed to have political free zones like if I want chinese food I'm not going to a fucking mexican restaurant, right? Like i'm not i'm not going to do that We're allowed to have political free zones. So when when people want to say, okay We're gonna go out for trump or we're gonna go out for the nfl for this new anthem policy Nah, man, like this this is this is totally legit Collin cappernick had every right to do what he did but guess what? And it's not just freedom of speech people think that people think that the freedoms that we enjoy in this country The price should only be paid one time. No people There is a residual price that we pay for the freedoms that we have just because a few just because people died for our freedoms Okay, that was great. We have those freedoms. Guess what? That doesn't mean freedoms are free There is a there is a residual price to behave So if you want to become if you want to become sort of a quasi martyr, dude You got to pay the price man Like that's him and eric reed are about to learn a very very hard lesson and neither of those guys will ever play in the nfl again People gave me so much grief about that when I called him out on that when I started looking at uh, nesadiyab's background I mean, you know, here he is six months after they're like an item and You know, you've got linda sarsour. I don't know if you guys are familiar with sarsour She's out there wearing a collin cappernick jersey at her talks She's the she's the islamic woman who who organized the woman's march back, you know A couple years or yeah a year ago february And you know very outspoken feminists, but also is notable for you know also being Muslim But she's out there with a hijab and a collin cappernick jersey So you're gonna tell me that he just decided to do this on his own like he just said, you know what? I really have this this burning desire to know uh to wear a a t-shirt with fidel castro on it You're gonna tell me that this just happened just spontaneously with this guy. He's decided that he wants to be vegan He's decided that he wants to be uh, you know, we wants to to explore being converting to islam All of the stuff that happened. Well, what triggered that? What was the catalyst that started this? Him dating this chick. Why because he's blue pill and he's beta and he puts over invests himself Emotionally and himself into a woman who sees him as a vehicle for her own social agenda so when you see him taking a knee and Starting this this trend amongst the nfl to the point where the nfl is losing Money because people don't watch the nfl anymore because they don't want to see They don't want to see that they don't want to see guys, you know players who are making millions and millions of dollars taking a knee Particularly during the veterans day, you know games and shit like that. Oh, they're doing it then Yeah, I don't know if they're doing it And xx will probably follow follows I don't know if you're a cowboys fan, but I can remember when jerry jones got went midfield and took a knee with the entire team of the the Yeah, about the cowboys and I was looking at this and i'm going this is the power Of blue pill beta men This is the fallout because all of this shit was instigating with a catalyst for it was him Trying to appease nessa diabe and so when people say oh well hypergamy is not that big a deal or well, you know You make so much you know you make so much out of blue pill you make so much out of being petty You make no this is the extent this is the macro side of you know hypergamy micro to macro He wants to appease this woman. Well women some women can take that and use that guy as a vehicle They use his social proof. They use his fame to Put out the the message that they want and i'm just saying who's using terry croups Who is using him to go? You know if he just decided to do this on his own or is this You know something that's been he wants to speak for all men You're not speaking for me brother. You're you know, you're doing this for some reason I'm not sure what it is. Maybe it's your wife. Maybe you're trying to to you know appease Women or woman kind or maybe you just haven't taken you know taken women off of the pedestal just yet But there's something there's a reason for that and I will tell you it's it all comes back to sexual marketplace It all comes back to hypergamy it all comes back to blue pill mindset I will guarantee you that as big and as buff and as alpha as this guy looks I will guarantee you that this guy has a blue pill mindset And it's been something that's characterized his personality for a very long time And thanks everybody too. That was 20 minutes of like talking about football and I wasn't lost once and I know It's not even football. You know people want to want to want to throw it back on me about the politics I'm like don't ignore politics. I don't care about the politics. Why did it happen? It's interesting. Um, and I always say when I talk about abortion and I'm staunchly against abortion But guess what take the poll and I'm just using this as an example If you really want to strip if you want to really strip An issue a social issue down to the root and find out what the real issue is Take the politics and the religion out of it So for example with abortion You don't have to be religious and you don't have to fall on either side of the political spectrum To know that killing people before they're born is the wrong thing to do It's it to me. It's just so obvious and here's the thing man I don't I do I don't know what my political affiliation is I probably skew more to the right than the left obviously And I've been in a I've been in a religious transitional period for going on three years. Is there a god? Is there a god? I don't know, but I know that killing people before they're born is the wrong thing to do And that's where I think a lot of people they get caught up in the flow And when people have an opposition to a to a particular issue Sometimes it becomes more about the opposition people hate trump more than they like hillary, okay? That's why they're anti trump People are and people who are pro life or people who are a pro choice as they say hate people who are pro life That's why they're so pro abortion and pro life But again, if you if you take out the politics and religion you see that a lot of times It it really is more just about hatred for the opposition I'm taking my stance because I really hate the opposition, but no one ever really looks inside and says, okay Well, why am I really for or against this particular cause guys? Let's uh, let's shift topics here and take a text text question from the youtube chat You this guy asked the question a few times Let's kind of go through the row here and see what you guys think about it if you have thoughts on it boo boo asked What do you guys think about circumcision and how much sensitivity loss there is because of it? The second issue the second part of that question. I'm not super interested in the first part I think is more interesting intellectually So what do you guys think about circumcision with regard to the red pill feminism and the feminine? imperative Carl Well, if I'm starting on this question, well The thing is the last part of the question No one can answer that because any there's no man who has experienced both sides of it Unless he was in his 30s when he got circumcised and That was probably his woman arguing that it will be so much better if you were circumcised and some guy was like That's my ultimate data way of doing it. I'm gonna have my dick cut. Yep, but If there's a medical reason for it sure go ahead. I know there's religious reasons, but I don't really think much about it at all I If I have kids at some point, I'm not going to have them circumcised, but you know, that's If the party is there, I just tend to think it's there for a reason and why you fuck with that Well, this issue is big in the men's rights movement, right from i'm sticking That's why I was going to do anything about it. That's why they love it so much That's why I was gonna take that's why I was gonna my take on it was gonna This is like a pet project for the mra's and it always has been because it's they think oh Well sex would be so much more enjoyable if I hadn't had my foreskin cut off when I was, you know, one month old Yeah, exactly. It's like Yeah, I think that's interesting because carl's carl kind of hit the nail on the head there with uh, you know There's no guy that is really kind of experienced, you know Both of it. I think all right and I think it's just like you said rollo. It's something that they don't have control over So for example, um, like like gay marriage, for example, right? There there are there are gay people who want to get married. I dude if gay people want to get married Dude, cool. Do you like to me? I don't care But the reason why the reason why homosexuals want to get married is because the world tells them that they can't If everybody just said, you know what, you know, homosexual people go ahead and get married Then they wouldn't want it so much. You understand what I mean? So it's it's almost like these mrs are saying well circumcision is wrong because of course They don't have control over it and everyone seems to be doing it. It's not listen. It's not that big a deal, man Circumcision circumcision is just a big deal because you don't have a choice when you're a kid Whatever like they want to they want to equate it with Genital mutilation of girls, you know, which is yeah a big thing in the world Okay, I get that and and we have been genitally technically we've been genitally mutilating boys for a very long time Probably longer than girls, but just to check this out. I'm not trying to fuck for an hour Just trying to find yeah, exactly. They're trying to find some sort of parallel and really this is The evidence of mrs and their egalitarian mindset So if it's if something's happening for girls and it's got to happen for boys and I that's the big I don't have a problem with that with mrs in They're thinking or in their You know, I know a lot of mrs who are definitely red pill aware and definitely definitely woke But I think that their solution to that or they're the premise that they base their being woke on Is is false Because I think that a lot of them really lean towards egalitarian equalism They want to be more perfected feminists They believe the lie that feminists told them that they want to have any a gender equal gender neutral society And so because feminism Didn't do that or feminism dropped the ball or feminism is really about, you know power dynamics and female supremacisty They want to be the perfected the perfected Feminists they want to have you know equal as that's why I call it equalism or equalist because they want to think that Men and women are functional Equals of one another so if women have their genitals mutilated well boys have had their genitals mutilated as well So let's talk about that and make a big deal out of that Fine if you want to go on that that's the hill you want to die on man. That's fine. Go ahead and talk about it But I think really it's just sort of a distraction because they wanted something that's parallel It comes to mind embarrassing man. Think about that if I work hard and try my best I can be just as good as a girl. Yeah, how can I self-defeating shit is that no no? I get mutilated too. I swear no I get raped. Oh, I get touched by gay guys Well, let me let me add this to the con to the mix just an alphabeta kind of perspective Uh, I think it was Donovan who just said like if he has a son, he wouldn't have him circumcised I think it was hard Oh, someone said that. Yeah, but it's okay So it's curious for me. They would live in a prime a feminine primary social order But how many alpha fathers would would uh, given the you know, obviously given the decision would actually make the call to get their son Circumstised I think it's mostly women doing it and beta father was going along with it If I have a son, I'm not gonna have him circumcised. I think it's a stupid idea And I look into it, you know from a uh from a physical perspective There's no purpose to doing it at this point in modern era. No, I mean, it's it's not a functional thing It's a it's a it's a religious thing and really I mean it's Jews have been doing it for I've been to a brisk before. I mean, I know what goes on And you know christians follow on that as well. I do muslims follow with with circumcision. I'm not sure Desert if I understand right Abrahamic religion, I would assume that that they would do that as well I mean, there's no functional reason for that. It's just You know, it is it is what it is. I mean, I think it's supposedly there was a long time for if you live in the desert And you're gonna be dry all the time. So that's I suppose that's where it came from doing it thousands years ago My point is this that I think it's For if for it happening today, I think it's mostly women initiating at mothers And then the beta fathers is 80 percent of men or 90 percent of men are beta They just go along with it Even if they don't like it, they don't say shit and that's why mra is a problem with it. That's the only reason they have a problem with it They have no power to do anything about it. Yeah Again, it's I said it's it's a pet project for mra So that they can so when women sit talk about gentle mutilation They have something to say got a caller on the line a private number area code 11111 You're on with uh, you're on the red man group. What's on your mind? Uh, yeah, so yeah, you're on yeah, you're on live. You're on the air man. What's up? Hey, this is my dating. Hey Hey, hey, how you guys doing good good now Yeah Good good. I just had a simple and easy question because you know, we got a panel of guys here that are all pretty experienced um Looking at the way things are right now Are you more optimistic towards the future of what's happening with america and the and the balance of the genders Because I what am I seeing you know just looking at things on a global's perspective and looking at different corners of the internet It seems that the awareness that the average american chick is just like insufferable is growing slowly and slowly But what do you guys think we're going to be like five or ten years down the road? I don't think we'll have any women left because the law want to be I'll say that I think we'll be more more and more and more polarized like we're seeing this people keep talking about this That's going to keep continuing, especially if trump wins again Uh, so it's gonna keep pushing things to a boiling point 2020 when he wins again. Yeah when he wins again, exactly Yeah, of course, he's in I had lost hey, who knows we'll see what I he could do for all we know he could get assassinated tomorrow But yeah, he'll win again. I believe I tell you I had lost a lot of faith in what was going on in this country for a while here And uh, it wasn't until I Got back on I got onto twitter I discovered the man of spirit discovered all the other things that are going on and I got hope again I mean I got a bunch of young guys that are dedicated to fixing their shit You know and then you know you're fixing to drop a bomb on feminism on july 4th I mean i'm telling you this this is this is encouraging to the old guy here Right, I mean you guys are carrying the torch and you're not letting this thing go down the crapper at least not voluntarily That's kind of what I'm I'm I'm encouraged about that 2024 is the date Ivan keeps talking about because I think that's the date where we all took laugh and go That's when the shit really is going to hit the fan I'll tell you this though one prediction I made as dude as soon as trump won the election I remember that night. I said, you know what the 2020 election that is going to yield the largest voter turnout in Us history more people are hitting the polls in 2020 than have ever in us history. You I mean You can bug it. I you know I I think it comes you really have to understand that The mindset I think that The us population has now. I think we have I've seen some statistics and some of the graphs or the bell graphs or whatever Of the the polarization between left and right right now I wrote a post called the first female president and really I Kind of get into exactly this question in that That was actually a very popular post. I don't think about it, but I I look at things in terms of the The differences between sexes and the differences like the the battle of between male and female and really The battle between hillary and trump was a battle between The feminine imperative and the red the important the importance that we're going to place on women and Trump was masculinity and I mean you look at the look at that these two Entities really I mean just just take there are they are their own brands, but take away their branding for a minute You have a woman versus a man. You have a woman who is the ultimate expression Of the feminine imperative. It's hillary fucking clinton. Okay. She is You know feminist women's rights. I mean think about what the world would be like For the last two years if hillary had won, okay Now take that and you look at trump who is the only guy who could have beat the ultimate Representative of the feminine imperative. You have a guy who is white. He's he's masculine. He is argued arguably And so you've got this guy who is the embodiment of everything that the the people who would vote for hillary hate He's not just sort of halfway there. He is all the way there. He is like the ultimate expression of You know this masculinity that they this toxic masculinity that they hate so much And what kills them to this day is that that one The man he won and she lost and it didn't matter if it was hillary clinton It didn't matter if it just needed to be a woman. I'm seeing all these articles right now about how It doesn't matter Who gets to be president as long as she is a she and she has a vagina and that's all they're really concerned about That's all they're really focusing on and and remember it was her turn She was she was supposed to win and I mean I was the same way because I'm I'll say right now. I've never been a fan of trump. I'm still not a fan of trump I think he's a better choice way better choice Than hillary ever was going to be so I was really more voting against hillary than I was really voting for trump Now in that time I can understand the benefit of having of trump and I've come to like him a little bit more But he would not have been my first choice to vote for on that side But he was the only one who could have beat hillary because there was such this Ground swell of you know, we we've had we had obama now It's her turn and there was this expectation. I mean shit companies were like funding You know millions of dollars into their their commercials and I mean even house of cards If you saw the last or the last season of house of cards They anticipated that we would have a female president in the office when that show hit because it was going to hit in 2017 They thought that and they were wrong and everybody was wrong And I think that there's this and what that has done is it's sort of polarized things So now we're talking about you know Gresham Carlson talks about this Uh was a cultural revolution of feminism or the future is female And you're probably going to see this a little bit more when you see uh, anthony's talk You know his key notice address But you have this this Factionalized polarized side of you know the feminine versus the masculine And I think that if there's going to be some sort of optimism We really need to have redpills, you know redpills association We really need to encourage positive masculinity We really need to encourage conventional masculinity And if we're going to fight against that if they're going to have some sort of balance to the force We're going to need to have men who know what the fuck they're talking about and can be are unapologetically masculine and say You know what I I reject your bullshit about toxic masculinity I reject your bullshit about how men are the way they are because it fits into whatever your ideological narrative is I think if it's gonna if there's it's going to be optimism It's going to be we're going to need strong men to be optimistic about Rolo, let me ask you this too. Uh real quick So you're fond of saying and you say consistently and I support you with it That the sisterhood, you know spans everything Yeah, no matter the sister to brawls. No matter what do you think? Let's just hypothetically hypothesize here. If Ivanka trump runs in 2024 Do you think the sisterhood will get behind her or not? No, I know they won't I don't I don't think about first of all. I don't think she will run Second of all, I think that it would depend. I get what you're saying though Is it an ideological bet would women vote for a strong conservative candidate? Uh, I that that I'd be on the fence about because we got Theresa May over in in England right now We've got feminist governments in suite and we see how that's going Ivanka carries the trump name though, so it's it's to me that kind of makes it a very close call in my head I don't I don't think I would side with uh with uh Donovan on this. I don't think women would vote for Ivanka trump because you know, she's not The strong independent woman. I mean she could sell herself like that all she wanted to Would women vote for her just because she's female? Yes But I don't think that she would win because there'd be enough people who would say she's not qualified whereas you had You know, Hilary Clinton who has been groomed to be the first female president for a very long time But let's just let's just you know, take that out of the realm of liberal and conservative You put if you put a woman in a strong conservative Background who was like say the Hilary Clinton of the right wing would would would women vote for her? I think probably yes. Yeah I think you got her very positive and it's so nice to see I'm gonna piss in everybody's cornflakes. I think it's gonna get worse in aggregate If you look at the numbers like being a man It's kind of what everybody wants at the end of the day the how you define it whatever You can't just pretend to be a man and start acting like it and it won't work. Otherwise pickup artists would be running the world right now Like that's why you have to lift you have to lift you have to be heavy You get your get your hormones in check builds up like the muscles aren't theirs to be attractive It builds your testosterone. We've been on a slow decline since the 1940s. I think And media on all sides is basically catering to the exact opposite narrative. I don't think the future is female I think the presence female And so it's gonna be good for a small cadre of people who put an effort and that's where you'll see guys like Rollo, you've lived through the 80s and I did the 90s and we have that whole future female shit But we pulled through in spite of so I think if you're gonna be part of that group, it's gonna be great Clean pickings and but I do think in aggregate. It's gonna get a lot more effeminate. It's not gonna get better Short of some kind of natural disaster that brings the Ivan Out of uh, retirement to go grab an axe and start fighting off the mongol hoards or whatever I just don't see it going better. So just in I agree with carve your own niche I agree with part of what you're saying Ryan That's kind of when I was thinking when I started off this my answer to this question that things are gonna get more polarized So I think people who still have an open mind and are not totally fucked up Say young girls who are like 15 16 If they see these positive things associated with masculinity if they see things like what we're doing If they maybe get away from this toxic brainwashing that'll fuck up the rest of the life from feminism So I think there's there's groups of people men and women both young That will go in a positive direction and the ones that and then the ones that aren't and they're not gonna They're gonna get increasingly more and more and more in a more fucked up direction Yeah, because let's pull a lacy green get a good dick and all of a sudden world you change Yeah, so Trump Trump derangement syndrome is gonna keep Escalating I think for both for the people who hate Trump Male and female both and so that's what we're gonna see. I think I've come in years I actually got a comment a little while ago from somebody says trump equals sugar daddy lesser alpha low key sim Oh, get the fuck out of here, man Lesser alpha. He's like the most powerful man on the fucking planet right now Dude wishful thinking right like you listen you hate trump. So that's what you want him to be So you're trying to come in get the fuck out of here with that nonsense I have a kind of a love hate relationship with trump I think that there's some things that he makes him he'll do what he's he's made some decisions that have been really kind of Off or just like appeasing, you know, it's his signing off on certain certain laws But then he'll flip it around And he'll do something, you know, I mean the economy has never been been better at least in my my memory So I like to say I'm kind of like I don't know. He's unpredictable. Yeah, he is Very predictable In some ways he does like what I would expect like liberals to do and then thinking it's going to earn him points and it never does But then he'll go back and he'll do something else I kind of enjoyed the clinton years because he was so unpredictable on what kind of crap was bill gonna pull next right And then trump is just taking that to a whole new level. It's been fun to watch Yeah, I love it. I mean i'm 29th. I've never seen anything even remotely like this. This is fucking awesome All right, uh, we got a caller on the line area code 717. You're on live with the red man group. It's on your mind How are you all doing good good? Yeah, so how should a young 21 year old prepare for this future? Be Chad Era of Chad is coming. I'm serious one-year-old look Ian ironwood put this in 2014 He asked he said traditional family is kind of going the way the dodo girls get jobs now they have to And they're increasingly starting to earn more than guys So we found that a male dominated relationship tends to be the most stable and happy So what do you do when provision is no longer how you establish that dominance and I hate to say it But cori worthington is now the uh, the male role model for the 21st century Yeah, well, I I I have expect whenever guys ask that question. I have expect to say go make down go make down, you know, but I I think uh If you're going to Play the game and if you're if you're not going to check out Which I think a lot of guys are they see this and they get depressed by it Okay, and they say well, it's uh You know, there's no point in playing the game. There's no point and I don't mean that just from a big top perspective I think that you know where we're talking about Dealing with I mean you're 21. Maybe you're on a college campus. I mean, how are you dealing with feminine imperative on a college campus? How are you dealing with the political and the social wing of the feminine imperative? How are you going to? Fight against that I think that what ryan was saying is is definitely true You have to Sort of see the landscape of what's of what's coming and then prepare yourself for that landscape What do you want to do? I mean we just had a caller on who's 40 years old and he's you know Apparently got his shit together well enough that he can make some really the the best decisions for himself I think what's necessary is setting yourself up so that you can be in that position to choose so that you can Choose what it is that you want to do with your life from an informed and educated perspective Knowing you know being red pill where definitely part of that How you you know mental point of origin Definitely part of that being as alpha as you possibly can be in your own way Definitely part of that having you know having frame and insisting on frame having You know understanding the the dynamics between men and women Knowing what to look for if you decide you want to have kids and you want to have a wife I'm I'm not ever going to advocate for marriage right now because it's just too too dangerous And that's part of the landscape Yeah, yeah, I know I'm worried wow, but still has the thing is like I'm red pill and I understand how to work it within Okay red pill I want to tag on here that At 21 I think you should take I believe this is role is saying that you know explicitly in one of his books You should take role as a device to not date to your about 30 monogamously Men don't become men till they're 30. Yep. Well, there you go Totally become 30 and they've experienced a break a few times my simple answer If you're 21 and you want to prepare for the world go to the 21 convention There you go go to exactly I mean I started the company at 17 because I wanted to get better with women And it was for guys and under 21, but if you're 21 come to the event there you go You have more access to more knowledge than like certainly more than I did when I was 21 You have more access to more knowledge and more understanding of how the world works Thanks to the internet. Thanks to technology. Thanks to everything else. So It's it's really on you. I mean you want to talk about I I'm kind of half and half on the personal responsibility thing But I think that it's really on you to take personal responsibility for yourself with the understanding and and utilize it Utilize the 21 convention utilize the red pill utilize the community understand what you're getting into Uh and and know that you are living in the only time in history where you could do this I'll say this too that if you learn if you take the red pill and you learn game and you approach and you meet a lot of women You're probably gonna have success and bang a lot of them. Hopefully, right In doing so, I think in your 20s It's gonna be it's easy to say, you know, I'll listen to roles advice I want to date till I'm 29 30 31 or whatever But if you're out banging, you know 10 women a year 20 women a year 30 women a year That's gonna be difficult because you're gonna meet some decent women along the way Even considering that you need to take roles advice wait at least your late 20s to date monogamously You need to be building your uh your career your wealth your business Your education your skills learning game banging, you know as many women as you can safely and not getting uh Letting your big head take control over the little head Yeah, exactly So to you take the advice and seriously like physically in real life do that with action not just like oh, yeah It's a great idea and then you bang 20 women and number 21 is like all of a sudden awesome And you're like, oh, you know a role is probably right, but I'll be the exception. No take the fucking advice Here's a here's something else Here's something else man. I know a lot of guys. I know a lot of young guys Still have a little bit of of morality when it comes to dealing with well, I'll never fucking other man's wife I'll never fuck another man's another man's uh, you know, uh girlfriend. Here's the thing man Um throw that shit out the window man because if a woman wants to cheat she's gonna cheat somebody's out here Fucking these wives and girlfriends. It may as well be you but here's the more important You will learn more about women being the dude she cheats with than the dude. She is cheating on Okay, women and it's it's interesting women can't help themselves But reveal their shady tactics as to how their boyfriend or husband has no idea what they're doing Like she like she will tell you what her strategy is. Yeah, my boyfriend Here and here's how I did it, you know, Tim and the city dick is in her mouth So so if if you know that a woman is in a committed relationship Don't don't shy away from those women. Dude. Have fun with those women. Dude. They'll do they will fucking fuck I I I understand you're saying donovan. I I disagree in terms of my own life and how I act uh, I specifically avoid women like that really and yeah, and uh One of the the main reason I want to do it is because I don't want to enable abuse on another man Now is she gonna find another guy to fucking cheat on the guy 99 chance? But I'm not you know, it's not gonna be me. You don't deserve me You don't get that and in particular. I don't want to enable her to hurt some dude She'll find some other guy to do it, but I'm not going to participate in that kind of bullshit. I'm gonna stay away from it Yeah, I guess I mean listen, I guess I guess we'll uh, we'll certainly agree to disagree on that because yeah I mean, I don't I the thing is man is I don't I don't feel sorry for other guys, man Like I'm sure guys have fucked my wife and my girlfriend and this and that they didn't give a shit about me So as far as I'm doing Dude, www.TheRationalMail.com man. Hey, listen, man. If you hate dudes like me do something about it That's the way oh, let me just jump in real quick Morality go ahead girl You know, I don't think it's a morality thing And like I take much of the same possession Anthony does but it's not even remotely moral because The reason why I tend to avoid it is you only drama is like a vampire It can only come into your life if you invited it And I don't want some asshole to show not show up here because I fucked his girlfriend Yeah, why he's a gun at my property and then I have to shoot him then I have to deal with the fucking police Then I have to do the paperwork. I'm going to have to bury a body and I don't have time for that Wow, wait a minute. No, but listen, you're right because listen. I've been in those situations before I saw there was this meme. I don't know if it was true or not. So just don't quote me on this But I saw this one picture. Maybe it's not a meme I saw this one picture of this guy and I think it was on the red pill reddit and this guy had taped A note to the top of or the bottom of the the toilet seat And the guy had like just nailed this chick who had a boyfriend and she later on told him Oh, I have a boyfriend afterwards. It's basically, you know confessing to cheating with this guy So the guy went to go take a leak. He wrote this note and taped it to the bottom of the uh Of the the lid of the toilet so because guys are gonna lift it up when you gotta take a piss, right? And it said something sorry, dude. I didn't know she was your girlfriend But you just say, you know one bro to another she's cheating on you kind of That would be me if I was single right now, I would be like, okay, I'll still nail her But I'm gonna tell this dude just as you know, sort of like this ethical public service to other guys, you know If you're gonna be unethical I mean in the in the sense that if you didn't know that that a chick was fucking you At least have the common courtesy to say dude, you know, sorry I know you got all this investment in here, but she's all And I don't think we're ever gonna kill feminism if we don't work together at least a little bit We don't we're not like women who team up constantly We don't have that in our Listen, there's plenty of pussy out here without dude You can never Look at a married woman or a woman in a relationship and still be up to your eyeballs and pussy. So I get it Yep I used to rub noses in it too Uh sailors, there was this thing you take your ship's crest If you were fucking a guy from another ship and you'd stab your sticker somewhere If you could put it inside the dude's beret, it was actually better Everybody has that God there's always the one guy in fleet school when you were there who like slept with a girl And then the next day he looks over and sees like his chief in a photograph By the way, don't so common as cliche Donovan I'll say this too. I'm under no impression that women having me to cheat on their boyfriends I just don't do it explicitly. So if I find out I get the fuck away from it If she hides it could successfully well There you go The interesting thing is is that some women will never tell you ever will tell you I'm married or I have a boyfriend But dude, we know women you're like, you know Obviously she if she has a wedding ring on but we know the we know the the behaviors of women who are in committed relationships After you after you find out or after she hey, you know, yeah, I do have a boyfriend This is sort of a thing. Hey, you know, you have to you have to do some calculations Okay, you know, what does her boyfriend do for a living? Is it worth it? Blah blah blah blah But a lot of times, you know, you just a lot of times you just don't know like women are very good Just like Rola said Uh, s e j she is giving advertising signals, right? So if a dude has no idea who she is and he hits on her and he manages to fuck her He probably doesn't know she's married in the first place. That's for sure Guys, we got a we got a wrap up. It's about 12 30 here Do we have anybody else on the call? No, uh, we're good Wait a minute. Hold on. We we had uh, we had a troll in here He said Saying if somebody couldn't get pussy or something as you can't he says, I bet you don't get pussy at all This shit's big dude. If you're gonna troll, how much do you want to bet? Oh man, come better than that. Yeah Come on man, like mel, you know mel toretto. Yeah, dude, I bet you never get girls at all This is fake. You sound like you're 13, dude. Like honestly, like if you're gonna troll, you gotta do it, right? Um, I think he just called you an uncle tom Well, I was just like that's three or four terms ago. Isn't it like coon now? Tell me something I don't already know like come on man, uncle tom Coon, but dude, I've heard this shit since I'm 17 years old man. Like you're not you're not telling me What do you think would work? What do you think? I mean, really? I mean, I'm I'm always open. I I hate it when people like say, oh Rolo doesn't walk to walk a rollo doesn't do this or rollo doesn't, you know I had disagreements with them. I okay fine. But let's talk about that. I have had an open You know, uh, I've had an open comment threads in my blog for seven years now And whenever people say that they have a problem with anything I'm saying are you that's figure that's Nobody ever comes in wants to talk about it. Nobody ever wants to say it You know, they just want to like throw shit at you and then they then then leave It's like well, tell me what you think or shut the fuck up No, I agree and listen. I've got a documented uh temper problem And you know sometimes, you know trolls actually do get under my skin every once in a while and it's weird I don't really know What it is that they say exactly but when they come at me with shit like don't have been sick He's not who he says he is he's your uncle tom brah like what is this the fucking 90s? Come on, man You gotta come stronger than that if you're really trying to piss me off, dude You're gonna have to you have to bring better game than that Uh bringing on my upstream The ryan go I was just gonna say you come with me I'll show you how to deal with trolls and have some fun with it my little upstream rant yesterday is a good example It was good. Well, you know, I'm I'm always I'm always about You know, I want to know if people disagree with me if they think I don't know what I'm talking about or if they think that there's You know that they maybe they have some information that I'm not aware of I'm always open Oh, you know open to that I put it it's in the introduction of at least two of my books Where I said look if you think I'm full of shit come on, you know On my my comment threads and tell me why because I want to know why but like don't just go there and say Oh, he he does he does some things that I really don't like. Okay. Well, what are they? I don't have time to tell you that to me You come come at me if you're gonna come at me come at me. All right, but but don't go there Don't throw a shit at me and say, you know, you make claims against You know disagreeing with me and then don't define and specify what the fuck you're talking about because if you want to talk about it I'll be happy to talk. That's why we have open calls now. I'm glad we have three minutes to call in I gave them I would love to have a show based on like what I disagree about with the red pill, please do Here's the thing man. I asked that to dr smith exactly when listen when trolls try to troll me online I don't even engage in my black look dude. I got a call-in show at seven o'clock Here's the number to call in call in dude. I have done this dozens of times You know how many people have actually called in to debate me absolutely zero dude. I even Listen, I up the ante. I said, dude. I'm on facebook live and from my computer right now I'm gonna find something. I'm gonna find something to disagree with you and I'm gonna give you shit Just so you so you can break that Hey, someone just asked if we're gonna have cobra tape back on and the answer is I would fucking love to so maybe two weeks from now Three weeks from now. I'll tell you here's an update. I'm trying to work out a show where I can get cobra ants and Christian on at the same time. I wouldn't have both those guys on for like an all game episode would be great That's they're not gonna fit on google hangout. It only supports so much alpha. Yeah You're probably right about that, but I would love to get and I would love to get Guys, I'd love to get tate and christian mcqueen and myself and possibly I guess donovan as well and Maybe kyle from kyle trouble. We've had him on before too. We just did I'd love to do that But so before we roll that guys and wind this up I want to announce that next saturday july 7th Where you're going to do a special episode on dangerous personalities and women That'll be hosted on 21 studios channel youtube.com slash 21. It'll be me roll low dr. Sean c smith Uh, and then maybe carl and donovan If you're right, possibly rich possibly rich rich cooper, too Rich cooper said he's going he's doing something on it that saturday He said that if he has uh internet access he would call in at least so okay cool cool So that's going on. That's me exciting episode and one we've been planning for a while one of our We'll be talking about dangerous women, uh borderline personality disorders, which you and I both have encountered Um, and so we're going to dedicate a whole show to that I see paul elam trying to sort of cover that base right now, too And I got some things to talk about that I don't think by the way a lot of people asked When you mentioned bpd people want to know if that's bipolar disorder No, no, it is borderline personality disorder and I've got a actually just Search that on my on my blog and you'll get the post I've written about borderline personality Very good. All right, your three minutes is up guys. We got a Yep, I got to go All right taking the knee everybody. Thanks for tuning in live Uh, so check out the video description underneath this on youtube and you're going to find links to all the speakers The guests today on the show their twitter accounts patreon's website stuff like that Also tickets to the 21 convention on early bird sale tonight or until tonight until midnight They're six hundred dollars off and that sale ends at midnight tonight If I am awake and what's going on? Otherwise, it'll be tomorrow morning. Let me just let it is it will sell out Yeah, we're gonna sell out uh soon either july or august. I think we're gonna sell out by so it's coming up soon That's fucking awesome But get the tickets the link is also in the video description or you can visit almost any of these guys's websites Rolo's blog Donovan's website, etc And you buy tickets through there as well and you should if you're a fan of them and you follow them closely Lastly in my upcoming keynote. We've talked about a few times. It's a big speech. It's big not just for me personally But for the company I also uh, I'm actually one of two speakers in it. Socrates has also ended it So it's a big deal and that's coming july 4th and I hope it rocks your world Let's see what happens here on youtube with it Gentlemen, thanks for joining in live We'll talk soon and stay on the call. We'll uh, keep it, you know private after the live show ends We want to do we don't want to do like the live after party show that'd be Ah, uh, we'll keep Let's see how spicy it gets I'm gonna end the live stream everybody else. Thanks to tune in live appreciate it Thank you super chats tuned in live and on twitter and facebook as well See you guys next week. All right guys