 The Mac Observers' Mac Geekab Episode 874 for Monday, June 7th, 2021. Welcome to the Mac Observers' Mac Geekab, the show where you send in your cool stuff found, your tips, your quick tips, your questions, your thoughts, your complaints, everything. We mash it all up into an agenda that we loosely follow, with the goal being that each and every one of us learns at least five new things every single time we get together. Sponsors for this episode include Clear, where if you go to clearme.com and use code MacGeekab, you will get two months for free. And then Upstart, where at upstart.com, you can take care of your credit, which is great. And then a new sponsor, Wunderies, Business Movers, the Enlightenment of Steve Jobs. Great new podcast series. I actually had the opportunity to pre-listen to the first episode. So we'll talk more about that a little bit later for now here in Durham, New Hampshire. I'm Dave Hamilton. And here in Trifle, Connecticut, this is John F. Braun. How are we today, Mr. John F. Braun? I'm good, but my brakes are broke. It happens. Them's the brakes. But they'll be fixed. That's good. That's good. And of course, we'll give credit to Kenny in our chat room at live.MacGeekab.com for for that little witty comment. I have another witty comment, but it's really not that witty. It's just a quick tip, John. And maybe one of you will have an idea for me that's even better than this. But when I'm out riding my bike, I have my phone in like a pouch on my on my bike, but I'm not using it. I don't have any reason. I have like a little mount for my bike, but I don't use that. So I have my phone with me, but I use my watch to track my ride. But bike riding time is very much for me like meditative time. And I have ideas that I don't want to forget. And so I'm always worried about like, how am I going to capture these ideas? And so what I've learned to do is just raise my watch up to my face and say, hey, ass lady, text myself. And then it'll ask what I want to say. And I text myself whatever thought popped into my head. And then when I get back to the office or wherever, I've got this text trail with myself of all these little random ideas. And it works awesome. But I'm thinking there might even be a better way than this. But it's super efficient to just say, you know, Siri, text myself, and it works great. So if any of you have an even better idea, let us know. Feedback at Mackie Cub dot com. He said feedback at Mackie Cub dot com. Yeah, just want to capture ideas. Really, what I would like to do is put him into notes. But I don't I haven't figured out a way to do that. Feedback at Mackie Cub dot com. All right, we have more quick tips, though, John, unless you have any thoughts on my first little quick tip there. No. All right, cool. Then we have a quick tip from listener Patrick. Patrick says I ran across something new even after using Mac since 1984. Now that I have vision issues, this is even more important. If you go to mail, preferences, fonts in the top left of this window are customization settings noted by the little gear wheel. Select this and then edit sizes here. One can add or subtract needed or not needed sizes of fonts for all windows of mail. The chain shows up in the size column at the far right. This is such a simple but necessary request for those with vision issues, especially working on laptops or smaller monitors. Now I have no more size nine or size 10 as options. I'm going for 14 or 15 or 16 because I need it. Thank you, Patrick. That's great. That's a great little tip. Yeah, I've always found that menu to be extra cluttered with things. So decluttering the male's font size menu. I like it. That's good. You got you have a quick tip about mail, don't you, John? Yeah, so I stumbled across this. So in iOS, if you're in mail and you left swipe on a message, you'll get some options, more flag and trash. I use trash a lot. And sometimes I'll use flag. And what is that? It basically puts a colored flag next to that and it'll propagate to your other male clients or at least Apple male clients. I don't know if it propagates to no ones. Flag is an IMAP standard thing. So it will it will propagate everywhere. Yeah, yeah, it's great. OK, but the default is orange and I didn't want to do orange. So I'm like, you know what? What's under the more menu? So you tap on more and one of the options in more. Wait, it's not there. You have to hold it down. Maybe you have to hold it down. OK, this isn't doing what it did before. So what it did before is when I clicked on more. Oh, OK, no, there's flag. All right. Oh, I see what happened. OK, so you click on more and then there's a flag option. And if you tap on that, you will then get a choice of different colors. And I'm like, well, I wanted to make this one message green. So I click on green. What I didn't know is that this sets the default color to the last color that you pick. Ah, interesting. So this answers the question, how do I get a flag that is a different color than the default of orange? That's how you do it. Nice, that's great. OK, so we can change the iOS default email flag. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it. Flag color, yes. Flag color. You're right. Right. Yes, exactly. And you can then sort by those and you can filter by those in certainly the desktop client. So those flag, those different flag colors can actually be meaningful. You on your phone, you mentioned that you swipe left to get to those options. I think you could set that to be a swipe right in mail. Yeah, there's I think what you're doing is certainly the default. But if we go into is it in mail accounts? I think it is in mail accounts. No, maybe not. I know it's somewhere in there, John. If we go to mail swipe options. Oh, there it is. Yeah. So you go to on iOS, go to settings, go to mail. And then in message list, you have swipe options. And you'll see you have swipe left to be marked as red, most likely for you. And then swipe right can be archived. But if you switch those, you can you can swap those back and forth and and have your options in different places. So another another quick tip, really, is all that is. Yeah, it's good. Is good. All right. Yeah, I like it. It's good. You want to let's do some cool stuff. Found John, you want to take us to Brother Jay? Yes, hold on. Sure, man. Well, I think Brother Jay brings this one that that we've talked about before, but it's one I always forget about. And every time I hear about it, it's like, I need that. So. OK. OK, Brother Jay mentions. A piece of software that complements uninstalled PKG and its name is Suspicious Package. Cool name, which began as a quick look plug in. It is now its own application bundle and it specs all components of any package. I use it quite often. This is one of those good examples by like software release notes. I found mention of those of this in those for better zip. Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it looks like it was just updated this spring with native support for Apple Silicon. So it's very much staying on top of this. But yeah, being able to dig into those installer packages and see what they what they do there, the website for this, which is at mothers ruin dot com says every Mac OS installer package looks the same and they're right. Like if you want to look in and see what the package does, there you go. I like it. Pretty good. All right. Uncle P brings us one. Actually, that's not true. Uncle P brings us two cool stuffs found today. And if I can find him, I will bring them there. He says file juicer and site sucker. He says, let me explain a scenario to you that might help show the use case. He says that we use Trello at work. Trello is a project management thing where you can have you have all these different cards and you can assign them to different people and have tasks and notes and attachments and all sorts of things. He says we have thousands of job files uploaded to Trello. Each Trello file or card lives lives in there and has anywhere from 25 to 200 files attached that were imported and extracted from outlook emails. Generally says so I wanted to be able to archive these. He says I recently used site sucker with the direct link to the Trello website for my division at work, located in that info was downloaded by site sucker. It was a JSON file for all the Trello boards for my entire division. I dropped the JSON file onto this file juicer app and it extracted all the web URLs and created a text document with only the web URLs buried within the JSON file. OK, he says, then I opened the text file in text edit, deleted all the stuff that didn't need to be there and was left with only the text info that ended with file types like PDFs, word, pictures, etc. Then he says I highlighted all the individual file type download links and open Safari, hit the dropdown menu, selected the last file. I downloaded and pressed Command V and manually. So so he created a list of URLs and pasted this into Safari's download window and it's slurped all of them down. He said that that was sort of a crazy thing to do. And so with site sucker and file juicer, it makes this a lot easier. And I agree, that's really cool. So yeah, I'm looking here, file juicer. You can extract images from a PowerPoint slide or PDF files. You can extract images from HTML archives, which you might have been able to do like pulling that down. You can rebuild simple PDFs into Word documents. This thing's like, what a great little like you said, what a great little geek tool being able to extract images and things from files. He says it'll search entire files, which includes, you know, it'll it'll draw it'll check zip files and it'll just pull everything out. Man, all right, that's good. That's and then this site sucker one downloads the entire website as a sort of as a local website, an HTML archive, if you will, but different from what Safari does. It doesn't put it in a package. It just puts it in a folder so you could essentially replicate the website somewhere else. I mean, there might be some things missing, obviously, that are server dependent. But wow, pretty cool. Uncle P, thank you for for sharing that. Yeah, cool stuff found indeed. All right, I like it. You want to take Steven or Stefan is a Stefan or Steven? Oh, it could be Stefan. You might be right about that. Yeah. Yeah. OK, I have been using splash ID for many years. And I like it a lot. Keeps track of all my passwords and all my other important info works on Mac, Windows, mobile and web browser. Don't remember you guys ever talking about it. So thought I'd share curious if you have an opinion. Interesting. I mean, I took a peek and it looks like lots of big companies use it. You do have to pay money to use it here, though I'm sure a company can negotiate better rates. What I see here is two bucks a month or 20 bucks a year. But it seems to offer. Yeah, nothing here jumps out at me as being, you know, unique. Um, compared to other offerings, but hey, maybe worth checking out. Yeah, I, you know, I use currently use one password for all my for all of this stuff. I know you use last pass, John. And I'm very much considering moving to something else called Bitwarden. We've talked about it on the show. But what's cool about Bitwarden is I can install it on my Synology, a server, the Bitwarden server on my Synology. Right. And now my passwords are only mine. They aren't even stored encrypted on someone else's server. Not that I have any issues with the way any of these people do their encryption on their servers. But in Bitwarden simplifies things a little bit. They make sharing with like a group or a family or things like that. They make that easier than it seems to be in one password with one password. Each password has to live in a separate group or vault and that vault is shared with multiple people. So if I want to share the same password with you, John, that I want to share with my wife, but I want to share different passwords also with my wife. We either have to create a separate group that has you, me and then Lisa in it. And but it like it starts to get really confusing. Whereas with Bitwarden, I can just say, OK, this password has this collection or this tag, but it can exist in multiple places. So I'm thinking about that because we do a lot of password sharing and stuff here. But also running, you know, hosting it myself. I kind of like that idea. So I don't know. But it's I've been having trouble importing my one password stuff in. So we'll see how I do. But but yeah, this splash idea, I don't know that I'd ever heard about them either. This is interesting. Yeah, they I'm curious how they manage their like categories and sharing and things like that, because that might be a big thing for for, like you said, the corporate environment where you do have shared passwords in a more common way. So now very cool, very cool. All right. Any more on that one, John? No. OK. Then I think it's time to let Michael share his thoughts about how to create a quick and dirty network attached storage solution. Maybe it's just quick. I don't think it's all that dirty. I think I did Michael calling from Long Beach, California. Have a quick, cool stuff found, quick tip. You've discussed it before to some degree, but I've never heard it arranged this way. And it's a tip for people who are out there thinking about getting a NAS device for their home. You know, those are not inexpensive in terms of the price, obviously. But what I have is set up kind of a quick and dirty version. I have a TP-Link router that has, you know, a USB port that allows you to attach USB storage, which many routers today do, if not all. I've got a small one terabyte Western Digital USB notebook drive hookup that that has all of my videos that I have ripped or whatever attached to the drive. So it's available to anything on my network. I have two Roku TVs, one in my living room, a larger screen connected to a home theater and then one in my office as well. And through a combination of because I'm a geek, I also have a Amazon, a fire TV in the living room and a fire TV stick in my office. And, you know, via the Roku media player app, I can, you know, go in, select the drive, you know, a couple of clicks and I'm playing the stuff on the TVs. On the fire TV front, I found that VLC has an app that works very well. You can click on it, click on the shared media and there you're watching stuff with a NAS. It doesn't matter where you are. I can do it on my laptop as well, you know, connect to the drive. I can do it on my phone or a tablet, whether it's an iPhone or not via the VLC app. And it's kind of a quick and dirty NAS that's, you know, probably only about one hundred and thirty dollars all total between the router and the and the USB drive. So just a quick suggestion to everybody out there if they want to be able to get into that NAS type game and not have to spend, you know, several hundred dollars to get a NAS device. Yeah. Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you for that. That's I like that because most routers, not all, but many, I should say, perhaps have the ability to hang a drive off of them. Some even have time machine functionality built in so that they can act like a, you know, a time capsule on your network. But but they can all serve in some ways. And the VLC, he's right, will do this well. I think perhaps even and there is a VLC app for Apple TV. So, you know, you can you can do this. What he described on all your stuff. What if what if that's what you would want a NAS for? That's a really interesting solution. I don't know. What do you think, John? I like it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. There's infuse might be another. It infuses another media player app that works really well on Apple TV. Like it really creates it makes it feel like you're connecting to a media like a full fledged media server, even if you're not. It like it does a lot of its indexing and things like that. So I'll put I'll put infuse in the show notes, too, from Firecore. It's they do a good job with that, too. So cool. Thank you, Michael. You have what's up next, John Mitchell, Mitchell. Awesome. Mitchell found this great extension for Safari called Pocket Tube. Also, and they also have it for Chrome and Firefox. I needed to organize my channel subscriptions in YouTube, but I found this gem after a year of COVID. I found the number of YouTube channels I subscribe to exceeded 100. Well, this extension allows you to organize them in group. Paid version also allows subgroups, a lot of functionality with the free version. One of my favorite features is creating a page with unplayed videos of the group. OK, interesting. That's I can see this. Yeah, because I subscribe to a bunch of YouTube channels, but the only time I know that they've done anything is if they push, you know, if YouTube chooses to push a notification to me, speaking of which, you should subscribe to the Mackie Keb YouTube channel. Not only do you get notifications for when we're streaming the show live and you can join, but we're also taking segments of the show and putting different stuff out there. We got a lot of content pushing out. So so we will we'll put a link to the Mackie Keb YouTube channel out there. But but yeah, I've found I've found the same thing just over the years. I've subscribed to a jillion different YouTube channels. And I never even thought about how to manage them. It like didn't even it it. I would love this is is what I'm trying to say. But I didn't even know I needed this because, you know, YouTube doesn't offer it. So what am I going to do? Well, pocket two, there you go. Pretty good. All right. Like I love cool stuff found. I learned so many things. This is where this is where I get my five new things easy, easy. Jeremy can help us with that because Jeremy told told us about something. It is called Motion Sonic. He says I saw this on the Daily Tech News Show and thought you might enjoy it. He says, I don't know if it'll work with drums, but it looks fun for a musician. It's an Indiegogo thing that it looks fan. It's really interesting. You it's a thing you wear on like the the top of your hand. You know, the front of your wrist, the back of your hand and it plugs in it. Bluetooths to your iPhone and then your iPhone becomes a sound generating device for your, you know, for whatever you're doing. And it will, you know, you move your hand and flip your hand and it will affect the music. It's kind of like if you've ever played a keyboard that has a a pitch bend bar on it where you can like do weird things to the pitch while you're just holding down a set of notes. It's kind of like that and more, but it's all just baked onto your hand or not baked on like you can take it off. It's fine. But but yeah, it's there on your hand. It's 250 bucks, 200. Oh, it's they've still got some available for like 220 bucks. So it looks pretty interesting. Again, it's, you know, it's Indiegogo. So take that with a grain of salt that may never see the light of day. But but it probably will. So there you go. It looks like it's seen the light of day. So thanks for that, Jeremy. Pretty good thoughts on all that, John. Hand wave. Hand wave. Yes. Yes. They know they know never once do my fingers leave my hands. Amazon Sidewalk is coming out. Jeff Gamit, a long time staffer here at Mac Observer for many years and it really just a great member of the Apple community put out a video about, well, how to disable Amazon Sidewalk. But he also explained a little bit about what it is. So lots of your Amazon devices, not all of them, but lots of your Amazon devices, your newer ring devices, your all of the later Echo products. I think for the last two years that, you know, your Echo Dot, your all the things that do the A lady, many of them can participate in what's called Amazon Sidewalk and it gets turned on next week. You can opt out of this and you can opt out after it's launched to. But but you can certainly opt out before it's launched. And what it is is it uses all of your Amazon devices to create a mesh network that allows both your devices and even your neighbor's devices to get online if they have a weak signal. It'll also work with things like Tile and all of that stuff to just really extend the extend the sort of the connected world. Now, this sounds like it could be a major privacy issue and it might be like we have not seen this thing rolled out yet. But it it's pretty cool that, you know, your lamp post, if it can't connect to your network, might be able to get a signal from your neighbors, other Amazon devices and and, you know, do whatever it needs to do, like turn on or turn off. And so like this idea of meshing our neighborhoods is is an interesting thing. Now, when normally when we say mesh, we're referring to Wi-Fi near as I can tell, this does not use or share Wi-Fi directly. What it says in their document is that Amazon Sidewalk uses Bluetooth, comma, the 900 megahertz spectrum and other frequencies to extend coverage and provide these benefits. Everything they describe about this makes it sound like it's using only Bluetooth. But it could be using other things based on that description. So bear all this in mind. But I really think it's just using Bluetooth and they say the maximum bandwidth of a sidewalk bridge to the sidewalk server is 80 kilobits per second. That's really slow. They describe it as 140 at the bandwidth used to stream a typical high def video. Right. So very slow. And they also cap your sidewalk monthly data usage at 500 megabytes per month. So this is going this is meant to be used for those things. Like I got a signal that, you know, your your light needs to turn on. Let's turn on your light. It's all encrypted and secure. So your data is never again, according to Amazon, your data is never actually passing through any of this stuff in an unencrypted way. And so you may choose to leave it on. I'm going to choose to leave mine on, at least initially. And, you know, I wish I could. It would be nice if I could get some metrics about like, hey, you know, your neighbor's thing last month saved you or you saved your neighbor. Like that would be an interesting thing to know. I don't know if we're going to get that data. My guess is we're not. But but you can go into the the a lady app on your phone and disable your participation in Amazon sidewalk. And and Jeff's video, which I've linked in the show notes here, will will explain how to do that for you. So so that's what I got. I don't know the thoughts on this one. What they're doing is not unheard of. A lot of ISPs, cable providers, especially if you have their device. Yeah, will let you set up Wi-Fi, but will also set up a public option because you got to wonder, you know, like, for example, here, we have Optimum. So everywhere I go, Optimum Wi-Fi is on the list of SSIDs because they have because everybody because they're cable modems everywhere, or they may have dedicated ones. But I but for what I understand, that's a strategy that they use as well. So yeah. So and the security thing. I mean, yeah, of course, there's always security concerns. But it sounds like, yeah, I mean, they're doing exactly they're bridging Bluetooth with your whatever connection you have. And they say as much. So I get the concept. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you. I'd like to see show me how this makes my life better. Right. Even if it's that you made your neighbor's life better last month, like, OK, great, like, OK, cool. Like, you know, you you used one hundred and twelve megabytes of your own data to, you know, extend your neighbor's lamppost functionality or whatever. And it shouldn't say lamppost because now that's that's getting in. But just saying that, like, OK, that'd be great, like, good to know. Cool. Or I'm too far from my neighbors and it's not helping anybody at all. OK, fine. Also good to know. But yeah, I like it. It's it's an interesting thing that that they're doing. So, you know, there you go. There is a development kit that I suppose you could you could dig into and learn more. Lots of trucks on Friday mornings for Mr. Braun, as always. Yeah, I'm on the main drag or one of the drags. Yeah. Yeah, the other thing that now that I'm reading more of this, here's the other thing is that it only seems to be limited to a very small set of devices that can use it. Correct. So, like, my phone wouldn't be able to connect to it. Well, in theory, it could. I mean, if it's Bluetooth, but it wouldn't speak the sidewalk protocol. Right. Right. Yeah, it's only Amazon devices. They say, OK, they have a thing here that says, what are sidewalk bridges and which devices are able to become sidewalk bridges? OK, and so sidewalk bridges are devices that provide connections to Amazon sidewalk. Today, sidewalk bridges include, as I said, many echo devices and certain ring floodlight and spotlight cams. And then they give a list of which those are. What it says is customers with a sidewalk bridge can contribute a small portion of their Internet ban, which is pulled together to create a shared network that benefits all sidewalk enabled devices. And they ask, will I know so it has to be a sidewalk enabled device? It's not entirely clear what those are. Sidewalk enabled device. Old device. They certainly use that term quite a bit. OK, so sidewalk enabled devices include, but not limited to ring, smart lights, pet locators or smart locks and other things so they can stay connected. So the example that that is used is, you know, you're you're you're not home to Bluetooth to your smart lock, but your echo can Bluetooth to your smart lock and make a change to it. Right. So if it participates in the sidewalk protocol, then it can leverage the Bluetooth devices that only your phone can talk to at home could talk sidewalk and be able to talk to a fixed device in your home or a fixed device in a neighboring home. So it yeah, that's interesting. And it asks, will I know what other sidewalk enabled devices are connected to my bridge? Preserving customer privacy and securities foundational to how we built the Amazon sidewalk information transferred over is encrypted, not able to see customers who own sidewalk enabled devices will know they are connected to sidewalk, but will not be able to identify which bridge they are connected to. And they have a white paper about that. So I think the answer is we're going to get very limited, if any, information about this, which is too bad. I would I would like to know, but, you know, it's OK. Fun. I think it's cool. I like this idea because I've I've hesitated from buying Bluetooth smart home devices at times, if I know that I want to be able to access that device when I'm not home or if I want my family to be able to access that device and it's like, well, it's paired to my phone. Like, OK, you know, like that can be sort of a drag. This could if the developer opts in could change that drag. So I like that. Yeah, it's good. All right, we got time for one more cool stuff found here, John. Let's do while we're on the subject of Bluetooth, let's do Scott. He says, during the past few months, I've attempted to solve a problem. I call lock when leaving. I have assigned the F 18 key to a keyboard maestro macro that turns off my desk lamp and sends a lock command to my Mac. It is flawless, but my memory is not. I occasionally forget to hit it when leaving. And as a result, the screen remains unlocked. He says, I use living Earth desktop as a screensaver, which, by the way, is another great cool stuff found. So there you go. He says, I've been trying to figure out a solution to this lock when leaving problem using a combination of iOS shortcuts, Apple script, Alfred remote and keyboard maestro. The result was a hot mess. I also tried near lock, an app that requires installation on the phone and the Mac. That didn't work. However, B L E unlock works perfectly and flawlessly every time. And that is my cool stuff found submission. He says, as your phone or watch moves away from the Mac, B L E unlock detects a drop in the Bluetooth signal and locks your Mac. You can optionally unlock the Mac when that device is back within a specified range. You can set distances, signal strength, et cetera. It's very cool stuff. And he attached a screenshot to show. He says it's freeware. He says, but I use the authors by me a coffee to make a contribution because it solves my problem so perfectly. Very cool, Scott. Yeah, I like this. That's that's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. Cool. Thoughts on that, John, before we before we move on here. No, cool. No, that's good. Yeah, unlock your Mac. I like it. Yeah. And then automatically, like you don't have to like think about it. That's I like I don't know if I'd want it to unlock my Mac when I come back because my watch unlocks my Mac anyway now. Right. So I'd probably leave that alone. But the lock my Mac when I when I'm out of range. Kind of like that. That's pretty cool. All right, we have some questions of yours. We might have some more cool stuff found. We might even be able to do some of these backup follow ups that you folks sent in. So we've got lots to do here. And the next thing I want to do is talk about our two or three sponsors. If if that works for you, Mr. Braun, that works for me. 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Go go find and use the normal TV or like a cave person or I don't think cave people have remotes, but I don't think cave people had TVs. John, I mean, they had rocks that could, you know, like throw rock to turn something off. This if your aim is really good, maybe this works in your house. But I don't know. Throwing rocks at the glass. Yeah. Um, so here's what you do. You hit the, um, the S button, which is the, the one with the microphone, um, and activates, you know, who and say something like, please turn off, I guess the name of the device. And that's it. One remote to rule them all. One remote to find them. Oh no, that's air tags. One remote to bring them all. And in the dark mode to bind them nicely done. Very nice. I'll take a Lord of the Rings reference any day of the week. I wonder if they're going to put an air tag in the remote. Well, that would be always losing their remote. That would be nice. Yes. I'm glad they made the remote slightly less prone to being shattered, uh, the new one. But this power button thing, I like listen to Dave is right. Like there's no question about this. However, there are, there is at least one other way of doing this, the control center on the TV has a sleep function. And I believe when you put the Apple TV to sleep, it sends the off command to your television. If it's connected via HDMI, CEC, which is the protocol that allows like device like an Apple TV to control your TV's volume and power and things like that. So it, that needs to be there. And if your TV doesn't support HDMI, CEC, then it doesn't matter. However, uh, most TVs do these days. And, uh, and so if you go to control center, uh, you do that by holding the TV button, which is the button with a picture of a TV, you hold that for, uh, they say hold it for three seconds. That brings up control center. And then you can select sleep from there. I saw someone else say this is on Apple's article, which we'll put in the show notes, but I saw someone else say, John, too, if you hold it down for five seconds, it will sleep without you having to like select that from control center. So that might also be the way to turn things off. I don't use my Apple TV remote this way. So I don't run into this problem, but, uh, it's weird that, that this is how life works. So yeah, interesting. Interesting, interesting. More on that one or is it, uh, time to move on? Yeah, I'm cool. Okay. Uh, listener Jonathan, uh, wrote in about, you know, we were talking, he said, some feedback, uh, about the user with the battery issue from last episode, Machica 873 says, I had a similar issue with my battery, sometimes draining to 0% in the afternoon, even when plugged in, even with managed battery turned off. He says, it turns out that my computer was not getting enough power due to a damaged or underrated cable, only delivering 60 Watts of power. My MacBook Pro should get at least 87 Watts getting a new higher rated power cable and power brick fixed the issue. He says, I got the hundred watt cable and power brick from anchor. Make sure your computer's getting enough power so it does not run a deficit and tap into the battery under heavy load. That's true. Um, I would think it depends on what you're doing with your computer. Uh, like, I've seen MacBook Pros charge up just fine with the 30 watt cable, not while they're running, but certainly, you know, just like in sleep mode, uh, that should do it. And so you're, you're right, Jonathan, 100% that if your computer is draining more than whatever your power scenario can provide, then you will run it down to zero. It'll use the battery. That's just how that goes. But I think there's more to this, including what we were talking about last episode, because I've seen power get weird, um, with power delivery and especially, uh, with regards to my, both of my MacBook Air, so my 2018 air as well as my new, you know, M one air, like I've seen it where it'll say, like you'll plug it in. The computer will, will acknowledge, okay, yep, I'm plugged into whatever a 60 watt, hundred watt charger. Is it charging? No. It's like, okay, but the batteries at 12%, like when are you going to make the decision to charge this thing? And this is a scenario I've seen many times and I can't tell whether it's something about the computer or something about the power brick. Uh, I, I talked with anchor about this because it was an, you know, I noticed this on an anchor power brick I had and they're like, oh, unplug it for 30 seconds, plug it back in. That might reset the power brick or that should reset the power brick. And I did that and it did work, but it's all been very inconsistent. So I don't know if it really was the power brick or if it was, you know, something in the computer in the OS, uh, but there's something interesting power delivery is a negotiation, right? Like both devices need to talk with each other. And so, you know, maybe Jonathan's point about the cable is a more important part of this than I had originally thought. I don't know, but there's more to this. So making sure you're using a cable that can deliver the power that your power brick and computer are going to be passing between them would be, uh, is important. So, but I, there's, there's a part of this formula that I'm missing. So I don't know. And I don't know what that is, but do you have any thoughts on this, Mr. Braun? Um, when I first started doing the USBC thing, I quickly learned that it's a mess. I think yes, yes, excellent summation. You crystallize my thoughts perfectly. Yeah. Because I had so, you know, so the, my first exposure to, uh, to that world was my MacBook Pro. Um, it was my Mac mini. I think it was my Mac mini. Okay. Or what? No, no, it was the MacBook Pro. Okay. Um, and it came with a power brick and came with a cable, a USBC cable. And I'm like, oh, wow, this is great. Um, you know, the, that cable is rated it. Yeah. I think like 85 or 95 Watts, which is what that adapter, Apple's adapter outputs. I'm like, cool. I'm like, oh, well, this is USBC, so I can use this for data too. And so I tried it for data transfer and I was looking at the speeds and I'm like, this sucks because it was going at USB two. So Apple's cable will, the cable that it comes with will carry the maximum amount of power, but it doesn't offer the maximum amount of data throughput, which is dumb in my book. Well, it's, it's, it's less expensive is what it is. It is a power cable, right? Like, I think it, I think it's not even considered a data cable except that power cables will allow data at USB two speeds to be transmitted across them, right? I mean, I think that's, that's the way, but they don't market that way. Like it's not, there's no, it's not obvious that, hey, don't use this for data, you know, the specs for do mention it somewhere. They're like, oh, by the way, it does USB two data, but it's not obvious that that's the fact. And I don't see any reason why you, why every cable couldn't carry the maximum amount of power and all that. I guess I don't know if it's more expensive wiring or what. Yeah, yeah, that's a good question. Like, what's the difference between a cable that can carry whatever, like he said 60 Watts and one that can carry, you know, 95 or 100 Watts. What is it? Is it just something in the smarts of the connector? Or like you said, is it like, is the wiring in the cable only rated to a certain point? I mean, heat would be involved. So maybe. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just thinking, I mean, that amount of power is typically, in my mind, not enough to melt a wire that I could be run. I mean, it depends on the wire, but but I agree with you. I mean, yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. All right. Well, if you know feedback at Mackie Cub dot com. Need back at Mackie Cub dot com. That's right. Feedback at Mackie Cub dot com. You want to take us to John? John. Yeah, John has a blast from the past here. I'm a newbie Mac user having started using one in April of this year. My MacBook Air 2020 did not come with instructions to create a recovery disk. Do I need to create one such as before installing Mac OS 12 into a course? The reason I say blast from the past is that there was something called a recovery disk that I found back in the midst of time. And there's actually a OS 10 recovery disk assistant that you can download. But the article that talks about it was written in 2011. So OK, and it only and they meant and you see a picture of a lion when you go to this because this only apparently works on lion or mountain lion. Sure. That's not what you do these days. These days, all of this is contained in Mac OS recovery. So I sent in a link that talks about Mac OS recovery and what features it offers. That's that's your recovery there. In the past, I have had occasions where recovery wasn't installed properly, in which case I'm wondering if having. In that case, having an external clone that we assume had recovery installed properly on it, carbon copy cloner is smart about this when it when it's making copies. I know some sometimes in the past that would, you know, point out the fact, hey, you know, a recovery is not here, I got to update it. It's like, OK, that's that's good. Thank you. Or you may want to have a Mac OS installer, bootable installer handy and because that can also run some utilities. Last I checked, I think the OS installer is not just the OS installer. I think it has this utility on there. Maybe it does. Yeah. All right. That's what I thought. So that's another suggestion. And then I linked to how to create a bootable installer for Mac OS 10 just to round things out here. So. That. That should do it for you. Yeah, that Apple's instructions for how to create a bootable installer are are fantastic, in fact. No, they really are. I mean, it uses the terminal, but it like the way they have it, so it's easy to copy and paste that terminal command for your correct operating system and all that stuff. It's great. Yeah. Now, of course, you know, rewind to our discussion over the last couple of weeks, and we don't know what the fate and future is of the idea of even booting from an external drive going forward. But at the moment, it still seems to be mostly possible. So we shall see. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's it's interesting where where things are going. But but yeah. Yeah. The Apple's instructions work. It's great. All right. Moving on listener. Dennis has a question about deleting files which are in use. Dennis asks. I was recently updating my OS installer memory stick, speaking of, and I downloaded the OS 10 El Capitan and Mac OS High Sierra installers. This was done as described in Apple's article, which is the one we just linked to. It says also the creation of the bootable installer worked. However, when I tried to remove what was downloaded, which was Big Sur, the latest update, it failed. I could move it to the trash, but I couldn't delete it and empty the trash. He says, putting it back from the trash, I could try to remove via the terminal. But it said that the files were in use. They've been sitting there for several weeks. Finally, I decided to try to boot into recovery mode and go into the terminal there and delete them, which worked. So my real question is, why did the OS think that my Big Sur installer or something inside it was in use? And secondly, the way they should, what way should they be deleted or, you know, is there another way? So, yeah, Dennis, this is interesting. If you if you have the installer like mount, if if you have just the installer app, that's one thing. If you have the installer disk image and that's mounted, then that will not let you delete it because the disk image contained there is mounted. But I don't think that's your problem. However, looking to solve it, I would do something very similar in both cases. Go to the terminal and there's a command called LSOF, which stands for list open files. If you just run that command, it'll take a few seconds and then you'll get this huge barfed out listing. You could manually comb through that or use the terminal's search to find installer in there. And what's cool about that is it shows you the open file and the name of the application that has it open. That can fix that can help you identify what it is that actually has this file open. This is essentially the same list that the operating system looks at when it decides whether it's going to let you delete a file. So something should appear there. You could also get fancy with the LSOF command and pipe it through grep to only show you results that contain installer. And I'll put an example of what that looks like in the show notes. But really, if you just go to the terminal, type LSOF, press enter, wait a few seconds. It'll assemble the list and then barf it out and then just use the terminal search command to look for installer or whatever it is your, you know, you're trying to delete. It will tell you the name of the process that is holding that file or those files open. And hopefully that gets you there. That's that's how I would do this, John. How about you? Sounds good. Sounds good. All right, cool. Yeah, but I'm with. Yeah, it's annoying that it hangs on to those files. Well, and why doesn't it? Like if I'm going to delete something in the finder and it says or empty the trash and says I can't delete it because it's in use, why doesn't it tell me by certain process? Like, wouldn't that be super handy to say, oh, this is what's using it? OK, great. Like, why do I have to go sleuthing on my own? The thing is, they do that in the finder already. Sometimes when you try to unmount a network volume, often I've had it say, oh, I can't can't unmount this because VLC has a file open on me. Oh, OK. Yeah, I've seen that even on not network volume, just other, you know, external disk or whatever. Absolutely. That's right. It'll say photos is using this drive or whatever. It's like, oh, thanks. Yeah, you saved my butt. Yeah, why can't it tell me in this scenario? It's literally the same thing. Well, that may be not literally, but we're not add a button like or even with the. You know, if you try to unmount something and it's like, oh, yeah, VLC is using it. It's like, well, why don't you offer to let me quit VLC? What a great idea. Just like, could you put another button there? Yeah, just like when you're like restarting your Mac and it says this app is open. You want to quit it? Yeah, I'd like to. That would be great. Thanks. You know. Yeah. Huh. Interesting. You want to take us to Bill? All right, Bill. Got to this one's quick. Bill asks, do you know if it is possible to target boot a Mac and a MacBook Air 2015 to a MacBook Air M1 so I can transfer files? Yes. Great answer. Moving on. No, just kidding. And the answer is in article, which will excuse me, of course, link to from Apple titled transfer files between two Mac computers using Target this mode. I mean, in a nutshell, you put a cable of a certain type between the two computers and then you use a certain key sequence to start one or the other up in in Target this mode and then all of a sudden it appears as its arrive on the other machine. Yeah. The differences are that article does link to another one. Apparently, it's a little different doing it on an M1. So they have like a subarticle transfer files between a Mac with Apple Silicon and another Mac. Which is what he wants to do, right? So yeah, OK, that's interesting. What is the difference here? Because on Intel Macs to get into Target disk mode, you started up by holding down T. Apple, thankfully, has gotten away from us needing to memorize all these different incantations. So on a Mac with Apple Silicon, it says to press and hold the power button until loading startup options appears. And then when you click options, you can go. Oh, yeah, it's a little bit different. You click options and then continue. And that brings you into recovery mode. And then you go to utilities and share disk and you pick the disk or even the volume that you want to share and click start sharing. And then on the other Mac, you open the finder window, you go, you click network. So there is no target disk mode on Apple Silicon. That's interesting. So there are no. So the answer to his question is no, you can't put it into target disk mode. This is. Yeah. Yeah, it says you can connect a Mac with Apple Silicon to another Mac, so that the Mac with Apple Silicon appears as an external hard disk. And then you can transfer files between the Mac computers. Yeah, this is interesting. I could have sworn that they would do target disk mode, but evidently not. You got to do it over the network. Yeah, there is no connect to a file between them. Really? Yeah. All right. Well, we'll put this link in there. I learned that we talk about learning five new things. I learned I learned a fifth. So that's maybe a sixth. That's great. Very interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Now that I'm reading that again. Yeah. Yeah. And for the most part, you need a USB, let's see, USB, USB-C or Thunderbolt cable or firewire. Not the firewire. For Intel Macs only. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. There we go. There we go. Yeah, fascinating. Thanks for asking, Bill. I'm glad I'm glad we went through that. I'm glad to learn a thing. If you want to learn five new things, make sure you stay subscribed to Mackie Cub, go to Mackie Cub dot com. And you can even subscribe to our show notes there so that you get an email with all the links that we talk about in the show, get sent to your show notes to get sent to your email. They are the show notes. We send them every week. So there you go. Last episode, John, we were talking about Safari's auto Safari's browser header. Sorry. The next question is about autocomplete and I was reading ahead. And we were noticing that even on M1 Macs, Safari identifies itself as an Intel Mac. And listener Dominic had an interesting thought about why that might be. He says it might be that Apple has scored a point over Google by not identifying Adam's Mac as an M1 based Mac when he logs into Gmail. There's a white paper that Apple put out about Safari back in November of 2019 where Apple says to combat browser fingerprinting, Safari presents a simplified version of the system configuration to trackers so that more devices look identical, making it harder to single one out, lying about the CPU to prevent Google and others from distinguishing between types of Mac may be a part of this strategy. That's really interesting. I think you might be right about that. I know Apple like the whole obviously, especially nowadays, the whole fingerprinting thing. Like that that's a that that's the way people are tracking us because Safari is blocking so many other things. So to have it, you know, genericize this and not highlight Intel Macs or not highlight M1 Macs separately. I don't know. What do you think, John? I don't know why you'd want to except for testing purposes. I don't know why you want to change your identity. Well, it's not changing it so much as they didn't add anything difference in it. Right. It like the M1 Macs don't look new. They they just look like everything else. So yeah, I always thought it was weird that it included Intel in the Safari header at all. Right. Like why include the CPU type? Why not just take it out? And maybe that's what Apple will do in the future. Keep it generic. Servers don't need to know what kind of processor you're on like that. That's not going to make any difference as to how we send HTML down. It's not. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. No, I mean, it's fun for, you know, collecting usage statistics, you know, well, that's the problem. Right. Yeah. Yeah, that's the issue. Right. Right. It all these things that that are nice to use could also be used to fingerprint us, which is sort of the the catch twenty two there. Yeah. All right. You want to you want to take us to Brian? I'm trying to think of where we should go. Yeah, take us to Brian. Let's see where we do. And we'll either do backups or a little more stuff found here. I've never had figured to email about this phenomenon. I can't figure out when I type words on my iPhone that ending G like anything G autocomplete often puts an extra space and hanging G after the word. This happens often, but not all the time. Sometimes I don't get the extra G. I'm sure this is user error, but I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong as I never notice what's happening until after iOS autocomplete is inserted a space on the extra letter. I think this is what's happening, Dave. I found a write up that suggests how to fix this titled how to remove words from iPhone predictive text. OK. From Macworld, UK, and it's fairly recent article. Here's so I'm not sure how the how that, you know, weird representation snuck in there. The article. And it's kind of click bait, actually how to remove words from my phone predictive tests reset your keyboard dictionary. You cannot remove individual words according to this. That's correct. Yeah, you're right that you can't. Yeah, that would be I guess that's where I would start with this. I mean, it's as good a place as any. It it seems odd to me that it's happening with all words ending in G, not like like that's what and again, I don't know the ins and outs of how predictive text works. No one does. Well, you know, no one other than Apple's engineers. So maybe it's being intelligent about it. But that doesn't seem like like I'm trying to think of how you would erroneously get to that being an intelligent thing to do. So yeah, I don't know. I don't know. But that's as good a place to start as any. I would also want to kind of look over Brian's shoulder as he types. You know, I'm thinking, what would I do if I were there? And like, it could be user error. It could be that, you know, when he's swiping to hit the space bar, maybe there's a like his thumb is dragging. I think I don't know. But like that would be an interesting thing to to to look at. And that's bizarre. Yeah, I'd want to try it. But wiping that out, I'm in on that. Sure. Sure. We have a few comments, John, about backups. We to sort of wrap that discussion up. In fact, we've got more than a few. So I'm going to try and get through as many of these as we can. But we want to give them each the time they deserve. So listener Steve starts us off here and says on your discussion about how sync can now be called a form of backup. Keep ransomware in mind. iCloud does not allow you to go back to a point in time to recover around the ransomware event. Other sync solutions may support restore from a particular time. But until we've addressed ransomware, I think we still need traditional backup. And you're right. I want to share Dan's comment and then we'll we'll kind of do we'll discuss both of these together that this is this is great because Dan says he says, well, I understand David's comment about backups in 873. My philosophy is still that backups are backups and syncing and syncing. My case in point is how I got caught yesterday. So I have a financial program bank activity, which saves information as changes are made. My input file is kept on iCloud Drive so that I can access it from either of my computers. That changes the changes that bank activity makes every every few seconds are synced and it's fine. Yesterday, I realized I didn't mean to make a to delete a certain thing. And so I started to go to Time Machine to retrieve a previous version of my bank activity file. Wait, I thought the file is on iCloud Drive so Time Machine doesn't back that up. Let me go to my clone backup. Oh, wait, the files on iCloud Drive. It was at this point, I realized I didn't have a backup of this file on my iCloud Drive. He says I do now since I set up carbon clobby cloner yesterday. He says, but it took several hours to correct my problems. I understand that having my file on iCloud Drive is good because I will have an offsite backup of the file. But you can still shoot yourself in the foot without a proper backup if you can make changes to the file and not get those changes back. So this is why I still feel that backups are backups and syncing is syncing, such as iCloud Drive is not a backup. And you're right, iCloud Drive is is a limited form of syncing because it doesn't do versioning. And I think versioning is when I say that, you know, I don't know when the next time will be that I would need to rely on an actual backup. It's because the syncing that I have my data doing is done via services that use versioning. I do use iCloud Drive for some things. But I also I also back that stuff up because it's not versioned. And I realized there's an asterisk there because iCloud Drive is sort of versioned. It versions inside of specific apps like you can see older versions of pages and keynote and numbers. But you can't see older versions of bank activity because bank activity hasn't written their APIs to support that in Apple's framework. But Dropbox has versioning and it doesn't matter what the file was created with. You know, my Synology Drive has versioning doesn't matter what the file was created with. So those things are more like backup with versioning than an iCloud Drive scenario would be. So so, yes, excellent points, Steve and Dan. Yeah, very much so. So do you have any thoughts on that, Mr. Brown? No, I concur. Versioning is important. Versioning is is versioning is the thing that to me takes sync and turns it into a form of backup. Yeah. Yeah, it is that versioning, for sure. Glenn, to address Corey's initial question, which was, hey, how do I back up, you know, multiple computers now that back plays is going to charge me differently? Glenn says, if you don't want to pay back plays for multiple computers, my solution is that if you have a desktop Mac or one that stays in place all the time, connect a big disk drive or a J-Bot enclosure and share that with all your other computers, have each computer back up to a separate folder. You could use carbon copy cloner or even time machine if you really want on that direct connected drive, then have back plays back up just that computer that has the drive connected and you'll get all that data. So yeah, that would work. Thank you. Thanks, Glenn. That's great. No, it's like that. That is true. That's how that's how it works. Thoughts on that before we share James's idea here? That's a good way of avoiding a per machine charge. Absolutely. Yeah, it does mean when you restore that you have to restore, you know, you've got to you've got to know what you're doing. Eyes wide open, as always. Right. Listener James reminds us. He says. David in episode eight seventy three, listener David made the case that backups are needed less than before. He says this is somewhat true if he's talking about only the system drive. What he and surprisingly y'all forgot to mention was that data on external drives, including Synology, also needs to be backed up. We talked about that a little bit, but you're right. It the point stands. It does need to be backed up. He says I recently had one of my external drives go belly up and because I backup my external drives using back plays, I was able to recover all the data I added once the replacement got to the system. There's no way I was going to be able to cost effectively back up all that data using sync or something like that. So fair. Yeah, you definitely want to have you want to make sure the data that is anywhere is only is never only in one place, for sure. And that's that's super important. I'm glad we're I'm glad we're doing this thoughts on that before I share Corey's Corey blew my mind, by the way, with something. So I definitely want to share this before we wrap today. But do you have any thoughts on on that or anything else we've we've shared here, John? External drive. Consider encrypting your external drives. Oh, that's an interesting thought. Yeah. Yeah, just in case somebody walks off with it. Yeah, I like that tip. That's a good one, for sure. Yeah, and I still think it's easy enough through the I think you can do it through the finder. Yeah. Yeah, for direct connect drive. Though I don't really have, you know, honestly, I don't have a lot of direct connect drives that I use. Constantly, I think the only one really is my clone, my clone drive for both machines and then the NAS for everything else. Yep. Yep. That makes sense. That makes sense. Cool. All right, one last thing from Corey, who was the one who asked the original question about backing up. And he says that thanks for covering this. He says I spent some time with your suggestions, especially a RQ to back up my Macs to my Synology. And he says I saw that arc or a RQ I guess we'll call it arc can back up to a folder on my NAS. But I found reports that everything is more reliable if you use Minio as an S3 style server to manage the connection, which can do things like atomic rights to ensure data isn't left in an inconsistent state. So I want to unpack what he said here. So just like time machine can have trouble when writing over the network, so can anything else, right? If all you're doing is backing up to a computer or device over there that is acting as a file server, that device is sort of acting as a dumb file server. And that's the issue with time machine network backups. If something happens in the middle of the backup to the connection, which is far more likely to happen over a network than it is to a direct attached drive, then you wind up with corruption. And this happens all the time with time machine because there is no smart time machine server, right? Nothing that knows that you're sending a backup to it so it can manage the data coming in in an intelligent way. And if it stops in the middle, well, forget what it was trying to send don't corrupt the backup. But that doesn't happen with time machine. And that also wouldn't happen if you were using ARC to send to just a, you know, an SMB share, an AFP share, whatever you're gonna write to. However, what Corey points out is that Amazon S3 is a, it is, you know, cloud-based service that Amazon offers. And it is smart about these things. It does make sure that, you know, it gets the whole file before it writes it or overwrites the previous version of it and that sort of thing. What's cool is that there is a server application, we'll call it an app available for Synology called Minio, M-I-N-I-O, that acts like an Amazon S3 server. So now you can back up to your Synology with an intelligent backup server host so that it will deal with things like drop network connections and that sort of thing. And there's an article that we're on ARC backup site that explains how all this works. And you just install a Docker container with the Minio thing and, you know, tell it where you wanna point your backups and boom, you're good to go. So I am definitely gonna try this out because I am sick and tired of my time machine backups dying. And it never even dawned on me that if I switched to ARC, I might suffer exactly the same issues for the same reason. If I'm sending over the network in exactly the same way, right? Doesn't matter what the client app is, it matters what the server app is. And without a server app, we're in trouble. But Minio could be that server app. I love this idea. Super excited about it. I know, I'm crazy. But, you know, what do you think, John? Wait, don't answer the question about whether or not you think I'm crazy. Answer the question about what you think about the query thing. It's nice that there's an open source S3 compatible server. I had never thought of that. I know, same, same, yep. It's pretty awesome, yeah. All right, well that does bring us to, actually brings us nicely to the hour and 15 minute mark. So I think it is time, John, to bring the band in and, you know, and do our thing here, my friend. Thanks for hanging out with us. Hey, look, the day this episode comes out which is of course, Monday, June 7th, which is the day of Apple's keynote. The keynote will be happening after we've recorded and released this episode, despite what Apple podcasts might tell you because they take a long time to show in their feeds still. They're working on that, they tell us, and I believe them. However, John and I will be getting together Monday evening after both the keynote and the State of the Union and we will have special guest Dave Mark from the loop chatting with us and sharing his thoughts on the keynote reaction or on the key on the key notes too. So we'll make it a three-way conversation and have some fun with it. Little post keynote party like we would have if we were all at WWDC together even though we can't be together, so. All right, maybe next year. I look forward to that. That would be nice. John, you have anything to share here before we exit? Hmm, no. How do you want to find us? Hmm. Oh, there's always Twitter. He's Dave Hamilton. I'm John F. Ron, the podcast, there's Mackie Gab. The publication is Mac Observer. And there's Pilot Pete. Yes, we're gonna get Pilot Pete back too. Yeah, well, he could join just like Dave Mark could, like it would be easy. Or he could come here to the studio because he lives 10 minutes away. All right. So thanks again. Thanks for hanging out, folks. Thanks for checking out all our sponsors. Of course, the ones we mentioned in the episode. Check out business movers, the Enlightenment of Steve Jobs. That sounds like a fun one. Check out clearme.com slash Mackie Gab. Code Mackie Gab. Check out upstart.com slash MGG. Of course, check out, I mean, you could go to Mackie Gab.com slash sponsors and learn about all the active sponsor deals even if the sponsor is not active. We keep them, we try to keep them alive for you as long as we can. Thanks to Smile, Otherworld Computing, Barebone Software, Lino, all these companies rock. John, speaking of getting together in person made me think of one of the last times we were together, one of the most recent times we were together. I don't wanna say last, one of the most recent times we were able to get together with Mackie Gab listeners. So I'm gonna let them and us share our thoughts about how to spend your week for us here. And enjoy WWDC folks, and we'll talk again after the keynotes. But for now, we'll leave it to the crowd at the last, the most recent in-person Mack stock. Take it away. Don't get caught. I like hearing all of you. Made up. It's good.