 Let's do it. Finally, we can discuss the fabled next installment of the fucking MCU, which A lot of people have been like you they skip in this one. I'm like almost did Came very close. I was like, I asked you about it like not long after I'd seen it I was like, so what did you think of it? Cuz I'm pretty sure you're gonna be able to tear this one apart and you just replace it I can't be arse-watching it. I uh, I was gonna be the uh, the person The other person who'd watched it, but Yeah, once I'd heard a few bits and bobs. I was like, all right, fine fine and so you have skin it I have but Let's just say I haven't seen it in a I told you this already You forgot it. What do you mean? I told you that I'd seen it at the I told you how I saw it, too. I I Do I'm not aware. I'm not I didn't see it in the theater. Oh Oh, oh a pirate hoped you see it. Oh You watched at a friend's house off of his TV when he was streaming it from Disney Mega was a pirate and he and he was definitely a gold Disney gold that makes me think I'm old as well. Yes, I'm thing but it was it was like Argentina is constructed and atoms look like Mickey Mouse like Ted Did you get to watch this with Jack Sparrow? Well, he burst into my house and did research with me on the film so that I could understand his narrative as Best I could he's a pretty helpful guy is Jack Yeah, I can't wait for the all-female remake of parts the Caribbean coming soon This is without a doubt the worst superhero I've ever heard of Have you really heard of them? Shang-Chi a lot of people haven't But it's fine because I I didn't know about Shang-Chi until All this motion stuff so I pop up and then you found out it was a triumph Well, I'm that triumph you had to share in the triumph It's what is it like 98% on rotten tomatoes or something ridiculous like that Rontamata is worthless It's like wow, how much money did you have to spend on that one Disney? It's a bit weird so many people are loving the film and Is that weird this has got a real tinge of black panther to it. Well, yeah, I was gonna say people love low-key remember that My win in the Emmy tomorrow That's great dude if it wins the Emmy for writing Is He's gonna win the award for like best female character, I would hope so Yeah, all a phase four It's been lapped up quite a bit. In fact people have been sharing them on Twitter. I shared one as well But I was showing them rags and bring them a cinema wins He said that Sometimes you just you got a root for the villain and showed Scarlet Witch in what division obviously after enslaving the town and stuff and it's like what? What do you mean you got a root for it? You gotta or else she'll imprison you and enslave you inside of her He um, I'll force them to love me. He gave it a cinema win that black widow. Sorry the Taskmasters HUD Um removed the information about black widow on it to focus on the vials. He was like, oh look at that. That's neat I remember when you showed us that screenshot and my comment was ah, yes because I love it in video games whenever my objective changes My HUD disappears. Yeah Just fucking excellent stuff. And so yeah, Shang-Chi is quite loved by a lot of people But we're here today to have myself free shad and drink her vaguely recollect the plot line and have rags act as the Person of interest being like wait, what do you mean by that because nothing we say will make any sense more than likely Strap yourself in rags. You're in for quite the treat here. All right. I'm strapping on strapping in Oh So I'm the only one here I'm I'm the only one here who has not seen this Film yet You represent the audience experience chat are gonna be in the same level of you a lot of people in chat are anyway because I'm not sure a lot of them saw it especially if they've been fans of the stuff we've been covering lately I don't know why they would but well I mean, that's great because I like to ask annoying questions and I don't have to watch the movie so I think that's that's great I like this. I like playing. I like playing. I don't know what position. This is akin to in a in a Sports ball game where you don't have to do anything But a lot of the attentions on you. I mean, I guess that's like basically all the positions in baseball So you're the referee you can stop everyone I'd like to correct rags there just it's like all the positions in that in cricket Wow That's probably you. Oh I mean like like thorax No, no because cricket is one of the most boring games ever invented and I'm saying that as an Australian and it's based off It's baseball. It's baseball adjacent Version of baseball Enjoyable version than baseball incredible I Feel like the big thing that works against cricket is like when baseball players swing It kind of looks cool, but like when cricket players swing at the ball It looks a little weird and flimpy like the way that we're just cattle the bat in front of it, don't they? They don't even yeah, it's just gonna like I Yeah, you always end up with ridiculous scores in cricket like a hundred and seventy runs or something like that Why? If you score four points in baseball, it's a fucking What so cricket tends to last all day which Because only because baseball doesn't last all day, but it feels like it lasts all day I mean Last forever couldn't it like if you never get struck out or whatever you just keep going In theory it is logically possible for baseball to go on forever. I Mean I suppose crickets the same isn't it because it keeps going until you've had a certain number of outs but in order for a base in order for a a batter to perpetually be the batter he would have to Keep fouling balls perpetually That's the only way that it could happen as far as I know because either four balls and you're on base or three strikes And you're out or you get hit So one of these things will happen again. It's only it's only logically possible realistically. It's just not So anyway, Shang-Chi baseballs baseball sucks Wow Cricket baseball felt like like a breath of fresh air to me It's like what you can actually do things in between when you hit the ball You have to run to these other bases and people might try and throw the ball to the base to get you out And if you're still engaged after you hit the ball, oh, wow Where Homer like stops drinking and he goes to a baseball game and like cuz he's sober he's like, oh shit This is really crap. I Enjoy going to the baseball the stadium and watching the games You've got your peanuts and your cracker jacks and all of that, you know, I enjoy that But watching it on TV is just not fucking happening. It ain't happening and No, here's something it's boring to you know how like baseball was like, ah, it's America's past time Don't more people watch racism What it's gonna says like is it basketball and like like Grenade like they way more popular well, I Think basketball is really great and it seems like football American football. I guess that's my question It's who is like, you know what I'm not gonna watch basketball or football. I'm gonna watch baseball Like how many people actually watch baseball in America, I'm sure there's plenty. I don't know Probably plenty I'm not sure how many people cross over with this dream though Yeah, I would much rather watch basketball or What's the other one football? I'd rather watch those Yeah, they're right Just because I don't watch they don't they don't watch watch baseball. It's just like on the TV Baseball and they're just like, yeah, I mean if it's on I guess, you know, oh, well, okay So apparently 8.27 million people watch the annual American League National League Matchup on Fox. I don't know what that is. But all right. Oh wait, have you seen baseball? No I Okay, it's just I mean you've seen orgasm all right. I Know All right, well, you know, well, that'll be a day. Um This conversation is more interesting than changey wow Yeah, well free. What do you want me for more Aussie rules star football or rugby or Gradyn? Wait, what what are these? So AFL well AFL is the name of the league Aussie rules football is have you have you not seen like what football looks like here? Well, it's it's like It's it's like the American one except not at all It's way more unwieldy and everybody runs around and nobody's wearing any had protection at all Oh, I think I know you talked about. Yeah, that's dangerous Oh I don't know what AFL is but like obviously we associate over here like rugby is like American football without the armor So we have rugby too, but I definitely prefer AFL to rugby and I mean, I'll just let me like I Find that I find that like our version of football is just quite entertaining It also feels like it's because it's Actually It's also It's just often pointless and not a lot and arguably That's what I'm saying right is you kick the ball but to win in in your game You have to run it over a line where as to win in this you have to actually kick thing through the goals And you're not allowed to throw the ball you have to like know you have to handle it head ball it and so AFL is really strange and has a really weird play set with the rules which requires a very high skill sets to play effectively because it's so weird and And so the type of plays that you see Evolve from it actually can be pretty engaging, you know, I gotta give a credit. I Enjoy it as much as somebody who doesn't particularly enjoy sports would like any And they watch that would that would be how I would I don't I don't really care about rugby at all I I Don't I don't get it. I guess I don't get the appeal So the funny thing is I've seen a lot of sports rugby is the one that has all the highest highlights for me Anyone in charge what stands anything about what I'm saying Shaden Williams's best tries Some of the most interesting fucking sports have ever seen where he has to use his speed to bash through like an army of Hulking dudes all while like dodging and flipping and then passing the ball to get it all the way across the field that kind of stuff is just It just pumps your blood That guy was an absolute monster That's when I was my year of watching rugby obviously I don't watch anymore, but Shane Williams is fucking the best winger on earth basically Let's if we're gonna complain about Football not having enough kicking then are we gonna be consistent here and complain that there are no rugs and rugby? Yeah That's a fair criticism I have to admit I guess I I just find the naming weird like the Americans like it's football, but there's so little like it's it's not really It's more like run ball or tackle ball. You know, like Yeah, I guess throw ball like that's kind of what it is and cushion ball They called it rugby over here because it matches the Welsh accent so much Although a rug burn like if you if you rub against carpet or rug and it gives you that really nasty rash That's like a rugby like a bee stung you sort of from the rug. Yeah, and it's ah, that's painful Cricket chirping and cricket. That's true. There is a lot of that 2020 is all right that can be entertaining because it actually ends like pretty quickly I Guess but up but like anything that lasts more than a few hours Except for tennis like tennis can be super engaging Yeah, tennis is five hours Yeah, I can watch tennis here and there because I can like follow what's happening and when it's the the women playing tennis You can hear them go Well, I was I linked a video to bring the other day of the most intense badminton game I've ever fucking seen And when you get to the top tier of these players it is the kind of thing we're just like whoa It's like table tennis as well, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, I like we're here to talk about Shang-Chi But we're basically working our way through every professional sport To talk about shinty we haven't even like I literally haven't even given a line for the film Do you have to talk about soccer the world's most popular sport thing which is fairly named And and you know And soccer it's the most appropriate, you know game to be called football. I think if you would actually give What game deserves to be called football? It is soccer soccer That'll have it right as usual Yeah, pretty I thought I enjoy playing soccer a bunch But watching it can be quite boring playing it. You always have to be doing something. I Don't know the euro That's what I find super interesting about soccer is it's like well I can Man, I have mixed feelings on it because it's like I'm pretty sure it's an excellent game But it's like one that I have so little interest Really, I'm just not interested at all, but I don't care about it at all. I don't give a shit Yeah, but I guess what I guess I guess the thing is like it doesn't surprise me that it is the most popular sport in the world I think that it is like You know all down to its most fundamental elements It is also consistent. Not only is there foots and balls if you call it football But if you call it soccer it also has socks people are wearing socks, you know, you have to yeah, it's mandatory I'll tell you what like pisses me off about certain sports like American football is bad for this rugby's kind of bad for as well When it's really stop and start like I know There's a lot of plays and stuff and like obviously you're going by zones and it tends to stop every time you get to the next one And it's like man, it's so frustrating. You just want to see some fluid play Yeah, like longer plays instead of just yeah, she's across the fucking map We made in yards. Yeah, I don't know I like I like the idea of that in football because it's like you get a breather in between the plays It's not there's not something constantly happening because soccer is constantly happening and it's really boring So in football Everyone gets arranged and then they have the play and there's a huge variety of different things and arrangements that can happen in each Play and then it's over and then you're like, okay And then in between you could talk to your this is what Fringy Fring calls this friend his mates, right? Fringy can like talk with his mates and everything about oh, yeah That's what happened and they over here and he went off-sides because this reason what not and that passer with that's that's That and then it's ready for the next plane and the things can happen and baseballs like that But it's the worst version of it or it's just like this is really boring, you know I'll be through it and nothing happened. I yeah, okay. I you know what cool soccer exactly boring. I mean, it is though Mostly boring to me By the way, right who doesn't use the word mates for friends here What you guys are my mates. No, I just mean that you're like cuz Fringy says that's like, yeah, you're the only one who doesn't We're just we're we're mates. We're talking about Shang-Chi You know, yes Much of the movie already like bunch of mates getting together to discuss a triumph of a movie You know rags can't be wrong that he thinks it's boring guys, you do know that right? You say he thought it was boring or if it was boring No, that makes me more correct I've entered I have left the area of feelings And then we've entered we've left that we've gone into like objective reality We've gone into details of the universe that correspond with the reality and it is that there is it's intrinsic to the universe itself that That's what what are we talking about soccer soccer? Much like I have seen the weaving of the universe in between the particles and the atoms and pineapple on pizza is also objectively bad I've seen that it's true. Yeah, it is bad. It's disgusting Kang when Kang made the Everything he made it so that soccer was boring Exactly, but why did he allow pineapples to exist on pizzas to know that is he's evil you know, he's evil the evil path we can see Like everyone who does it just evaporates One of the objective things you can say about soccer is that it's weak they get tapped and they do a dive That's really funny though to watch all the dives the worst ones But on the other end of the spectrum if you guys have ever seen actual horrifying injuries from soccer it's like The worst ones are ones where they're literally just walking and then they just step on something a little bit wrong It just breaks off their whole fucking foot. They're just screaming and it's like, oh jeez It's like, yeah, it can happen And I guess it must be harder for the referees to identify when you've got people who think you know always Pretending like the injury that they got like when they're faking it is the worst most horrific thing ever They're just rolling around screaming Yeah, it's like thing is now we live in an age where like the ref can have access to like a slow-motion replay Like always a camera on the ball. It's so there's no excuse now for making bad calls Exactly. I will say the most entertaining match of the football that I ever saw was the that World Cup won Brazil and Germany my god seven to one Wow, that's us. That's that's like as many points as they'd scored in the entire season seven Wow, well, and I think they scored the first four at about 25 minutes. This was the semifinal of the World Cup Yeah, and it was in Brazil because it was like home home territory. Oh, it was eight to one. Whoops There you are. Geez. Wow. Some people mentioning the UFC injuries as well Like did you guys see the one I was gonna mention you see out of any sport that I would say I actually enjoy watching It's UFC like MMA stuff that stuff seems to come around from like we want to do boxing but fuck the gloves that they were like really Actually, yeah, we want to we want to yeah, we want to go from we want to graduate into more violence I've seen yeah, I've seen the whole like snapping thing a few times I was gonna say there was that I can't remember from getting this right But there was like a fight where it's like really built up two people on either side of the thing one of them is like sort of doing a bit of a Like bouncing around a little bit like a jump back jump for and he's like walking forward walking back getting ready And he just breaks his leg like he moves his leg wrong and it just fucking breaks. It's like, oh I think you lost Then you have the single-hit KO compilations and they just yeah, they're so cool and some of the hits that they land are insane It's beautiful There were some people saying MMA isn't a sport it absolutely has to be like just by definition, but oh, yeah, I gotta assume it Qualifies right well, it's competitive and it's athletic, but there's that I feel like that's Don't know what the requirements are for sport to be fair sport definition An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment What about chess sports? That's just porn. Well, I mean chess does require physical exertion and it requires skill What about that someone said it Like stand up with that big sport Stand up what like if it was competitive stand up. Yeah, like it didn't the laughs from the crowd is tallied sort of thing. I Feel like it would have maybe that would be yeah, baby. Yeah, you are physically exerting yourself So do you guys what it's it's what about like what about like Counter-Strike or everyone just cheats? Well, I mean that's the conversation right e-sports Not sport and the thing is like Exertion and there's like snorke's ocean to fucking click a button is like Well, that's like saying if you say that e-sports isn't a sport then golf's not a sport either Exactly, you're not exactly exerting yourself. You're not well to the limits of your physical capacity I mean, you definitely are exerting yourself when you like hit the ball and then it flies like a kilometer You're using aspects of your physical self in e-sports with your reflexes your Coordination now I can't definitely so that's my point right like is is e-sports of just a kind of like a Is that just a name that doesn't make sense to just considered sports? Categorization I think it's useful. I know people don't like Being because they're like get away from the word sport. You're not allowed because you're a game or whatever The nerdy thing and then it's like they're like but some people be like fine call an e-sport, but it's not a sport Well, I'm fine with making a distinction. Yeah me like an e-sport in a traditional sport I'm fine with that as a distinction, but they're both sports Well in the same way that motor sports like, you know F1 racing stuff Rather than physical fitness like not to say that they don't exert themselves But again, it's the same thing. You're using a lot of machinery around you that aids your your efforts. It's not just about you Well, I mean then that becomes the question does the addition of elements which aren't you Turn it into a different thing altogether and if that were the case would that apply to Sports where there's like a tool or an instrument that you use like fencing Or like tennis they should be hitting it with their hands instead of Volleyballs fun to oh I will say this I Enjoy watching like amateur level volleyball more than professional volleyball my my sisters Both played volleyball in like high school and stuff and I enjoyed watching them play more than the Professionals and like the Olympic people play I thought it was far more entertaining to watch them because there's a lot more of an element of it's it's less kind of like Predictable in a sense because at the really high level volleyball They just kind of try and do the same fucking thing over and over and over Where they get it to the first person and they jump up and they spike it and you're like Oh, okay, this is like the last every play ever this is boring But when at that kind of level there's they haven't gotten that down yet And so there's a lot of like saves and there's a lot of trying to just keep the ball up and get it to the other side And I think it's a lot more entertaining Document and I actually a volleyball is a good fun game to play It is yeah, it is it is fun. It is enjoyable Volleyball is great Any other sports you guys want to cover? What about what some What's the one with oh? croquet Do you play I've only ever seen I have yeah like more come on, you know, the old British people play croquet Do they know trying to hide it? Oh, here's the thing no one plays croquet and it's shit It's it don't this our game that like, you know people played like 200 years ago. I got every little It's like Rags you can't call it crap when you get to use a massive mallet and hit things Okay, but you barely allowed to tap things and a lot of times it's just like you can't like really mallet something It's it's a mallet technically, but that likes it's like saying oh, yeah fucking butter in this bread is so fucking metal Cuz I get to use a knife oh It isn't Corsies the size of golf courses where you actually had to wallop it like you know a hundred yards down the green Down the fairway, then it would be interesting to watch as it is. Yeah, it's tap it with my huge mallet Potential yeah croquet on golf courses I think they need to take all here's a thing. Let's mix up golf a bit and make let's make the hazards actually hazards Yeah, something interesting we're like, oh no it landed in the sand pit. That's a hazard like no No, it's just fucking sand people pay money to travel across the country to go to places of sand and sit there for vacation That's not a hazard. That's the opposite of a hazard. It's a place you want to go Quicksand and then have people step in Yeah, yeah, we're the ball. We're like we don't want to kill anybody or maim anyone But like where where you would have to hurry up and run there as quick as you can or else the ball disappears Right, you got a really like oh shit my ball went in the quicksand I got to go get it before it's you know before it sink down into the bottom, you know They say the ball had explosives in it right and it was on a timer So you had to get it yet to get it in the hole within a certain amount of time Otherwise it's gonna blow and kill you. Oh, you have to sign contracts before you play this I think yeah, so like it would be a frantic rush or frantic race against time to get this thing in the hole before it's over We got to have it we got to have it be that there are five people competing and the first person to get it in The whole wins and the other four get blown up. So He's On that vein fringy That's how I like to play you guys to go into the game gulp with your friends, right? Oh, yeah Okay, so I'll turn it rule alternate rules The person who gets the ball in the hole first wins, right fuck off with this Oh, whoever touches it last do the pussy shit. You have to get in there get in that hole kill that woman Get in there and you got to do it fast. You got to be first, right? So you have to balance it because you can't hit it too many times or else the games like now you hit it this many times You're done It's over but you got to be first and so you have to think ah do I try a do I try a safe strategy and just go for it Or do I try the shorter strategy where I'm just oh, it's gonna be tougher But maybe I'll be able to pull it off or maybe I just fuck around with other people's balls I Will say I do I still like the idea of having five people need to compete and the first person gets in because if you get if You have that as a rule set imagine the interplay between those players like ways that they try to sabotage each other like teams or something I know not teams like a TV to To make it clearer imagine if you had five people let's I don't know six people Summer isn't that feels like it's more fair. I don't know six people They all have to play golf at the same time the first person who gets it and wins the other five explode And they they each have an array of weapons with them as they are as they compete to get their ball into the hole I'd also like think of it That there's a there's a countdown for them to tee off all together like five four three And then you're racing to the ball to where it landed and then they try to trip each other up and stop And then they can aim to hit their ball at people who are in front of them to try and you know take them out and things They'll be such a cooler game. I'm just imagining the chaos of like six guys tee and off all at the same time like A man's golf game like putt putt where everyone have different colored balls I need to be able to tell man. I when I was in South Dakota, we went to the shittiest putt putt course We we got like three holes in there's like eight of us there And we we got like three holes in and we're like man This is shit And so we just started trying to fuck around with the courses and you could try and hit your butt like There are a lot of the courses where you can hit from one of yours into that we just decided if you just get it into a hole it counts and sometimes it was easier to Get the ball like hiked up over the little barriers of a hole of a Course and get it into a next one or the you just completely subvert the the entire Expectations of putt putt putt putt's great. That's a sport. That's a fuck. How come there's not a professional Yeah, you guys call it putt putt instead of mini golf. We just call well the losers call it mini golf But It's a way better name. No putt putt's amazing. It's completely gay and strong. It's not sound gay. Putt putt's amazing. Putt putt, come off it. Yeah, putt putt's amazing. Mini golf. No, putt putt is actually gay. What's on the tin? I don't even know what you're talking about. Putt's right to the chase. It's golf but mini. Yeah, it's a way better name. No, no, it has evolved into its own spectator friendly incredible Wild wacky physical Kind of arena if we should say it's putt putt. It is it is its own thing Putt putt's incredible. You know how many windmills? Taiwanese water taxi. Honestly. Taiwanese water taxi? Yeah, it's putt putt. It's here to pick you up. Take you wherever you want to go. Why a little driver that comes up and says putt putt. No, it sounds like what a little kid will say when he needs to go toilet. Daddy, I need to go putt putt. Off you go. No, so if he said daddy need to go putt putt, he's like, fuck yeah, son. Let's go putt putt. And then they get in the car and they go play putt putt. And then he poofs. And the kids just shot himself on the way. Dad, that's not what I wanted. That's not putt. That's putt putt adjacent. That's nice. Let's go play putt putt versus the Chad father I wish to engage in mini golf. Mini golf. No, no. Mini is not. Mini is a very blame word. We must. Why not just, no. I want massive croquet on really actual big hammers, big hoops, giant bowls. And you have to really hit them hard to get them through. Me too. That would be amazing. Maybe that's what we need to devote ourselves to like bringing back croquet and making it cool again. We'll just take an old sport. Do you play croquet? Let's have massive basketball. All the bowls the size of like, I don't know, a car. That's what the Queen of Hearts really like was croquet. She would play croquet in Alice and Wonderland. Or was that through the living glass? I forget. In the movie it was Alice and Wonderland, but I forget which one is which because it's all just a drug fueled fever dream. In text form, and I forget which one's which. I think they combined parts of both for the movie, I think. I can't remember. All I know for sure is I don't care. Well, that's probably good for an intro, right? You guys want to talk about Shang-Chi? Okay. Since we're getting on to the subject of Shang-Chi, I have an important question. What do the Chinese call Chinese checkers? Okay. Shang-Chi, right? No, because it's a different sport. Chinese checkers and checkers are two completely different games. Are they? Yeah, but maybe Alice is just like, our version of checkers is like, I don't know, western checkers. Yeah, they call it European checkers or physical checkers. They call it, I looked it up. So Chinese chess is Zhang-Ki. Oh, hey, that's why it sounds like, that sounds like Shang-Chi. Now I'll be able to segue easily. Slick. Yeah. What were you going to say, Chad? Okay. Important question. I've had this weird reaction whenever I hear Shang-Chi. It strikes me like it's a descriptive phrase, but perhaps in another language. But I'm like, it feels like, you know, Shang is a description of you. You Shang your Chi, or your Chi is something that gets shamed. And every time I hear, I'm like, well, let's go Shang your Chi. And I'm like, what does it mean? And I was like, let's go fuck her girlfriend. That does it. Let's go Shang your Chi. Translate this for me. What do you think Shang Chi means if it was like a descriptive phrase? Like, you know, you have to go Shang your Chi or Shang your Chi. Shang of your Chi. I want to say it's like, take a dump. There we go. You got this Shang Chi in right now. Whenever you go to China. Can I just also add if anyone is trying to accuse me that this is a racist reaction to a foreign language, you know, naming structure. No, it isn't because I do this. Maybe they shouldn't make silly sounding words. You do this for English names all the time. What they do in citizens. Can you please find me a man to hug and kiss? Is there a man to hug and kiss? I need a man to hug and kiss. Shad, I'll do you one better. I don't think that it's possible to be racist with language because language is non-racial inherently. What about racist words? Oh, well, yeah, I guess. What about the word racist? Hmm. All right. It's a bit difficult for me. I need to reconsider my position. But even like the N word isn't inherently racial, right? Because words don't have meaning. They have shared understandings. What I mean is that language, like, like if you make fun of a language, how is that racist when people of any ethnicity could speak any language? Like language is non-racial inherently. But it's associated with racial groups. It is associated. But what I mean is like, for instance, like if somebody speaks English, that doesn't really tell you anything about who they are, where they came from or anything like that. And then you can apply that to basically any language ever. I mean, all of us speak English and look at a different wheel. Exactly. And it's, yeah, language is non-racial. So I mean, if someone speaks Chinese and you, sorry, Mandarin and you knew nothing else about them, except that was their primary language, you'd have a fairly good, you know, guess that they would be from China. But that's the key, right? That's just likelihood. It's a percentage. But I think that still draws a general standard. No. So what I was saying was in defense of the idea that it's not racist to make fun of a language because language is non-racial. It's something else maybe, but like, language is inherently non-racial because anybody can speak any language. All the best that you could do is assume that it's more likely for somebody to be of a certain race or ethnicity based on the language they're speaking. That's basically it. Okay. Shane Chi, what does Shane Chi mean? If it was a description like, if you were to Shane your Chi, what are you doing? I'll tell you why. When you go to China, when you go to China, when you're done working at the virology lab and you hop on the bus and you're going home past the bat markets and everything, you hop on the bus and the guy at the front, he turns to you and he says, Shane Chi. And that means tickets, please. And then you say, what do you say? Ya ya, Air Comics R. And you hand him your ticket and he clicks it. Then he gives it back to you like in the good old days and you sit down wherever you'd like because it's some of the freedom that you get is you can sit anywhere on the bus that you'd like and you take advantage of that fact and you savor it. And then everyone gets there, everyone shanks their Chi and you get to go onto the bus. For some reason, whenever I hear Shane Chi, I don't know. It feels like skinning an animal, that you're shanging something and the Chi could be any number of things. It could be cheese, I don't know. Skin your cheese, I don't know. Here's a question. Does it change your perception of what it could mean if it pronounced correctly, which is Shang Chi? I wouldn't go down that route. According to the movie is Shang Chi. No, get it right, Fringy. According to the movie, it's Shang Chi. Ya, you're not quite getting it right. That's like people who say aburrito and they have to really obnoxious to try and roll that R. Just stop it. You guys are still doing better than what Fina did in the movie. We'll talk about it. We'll get it there. We've covered so many topics related to Shang Chi already that we're going to cover. Good stream guys, I'm out here. Rags, do you want to know about this movie? I do, but you're going to have to hold on for a second because I need to get a drink real quick. I'll be right back. It's in the fridge. You guys, discuss the sports ball in my absence. What we can discuss while he's gone is just a general view of the film. What does everyone got? Left to right, right to left? I don't know. One word, mate. Shite! He said shite, so you get two words. I gave Shad three and I get four. I can't. Two words. You already said I can't, okay. Shad, review the film in three words. Hang on, hang on. Because I actually had a tagline that I did in my review. This isn't my thing. Okay. Boring, spectacle, no substance. That's four words, but I think I can get away with it. Boring, spectacle, and no substance. No, wait. Boring, spectacle, insubstantive. Yeah, or something. Good command of language there. If I were to redo it, it's just sludge. It's what people were saying about Black Widow, I feel. But actually true. The first two acts are pretty bad, but the third act is so catastrophic. A lot of people were saying because I thought the whole thing for Black Widow was catastrophic, but like this film, the first act is like, there's some stuff in there that's okay. I think once we start breaking down the villain's motivations and how he plans to carry them out, this conversation is just going to go off the rails, man. We're going to be out of this for hours. It's going to get funny when I literally read the fucking will-building they give right at the beginning. I can't wait to tell Rags about it because it's after just having said in Black Widow, we had a whole organization that was controlling everything. Yeah. I picked this up in my review. How many secret organizations pulling the strings behind the scenes can we have? It feels like the MC was kind of turning into what Transformers was. They came here in 2007. No, they came here and they built the pyramids. No, they went to the moon. No, they killed the dinosaurs. They killed the dinosaurs. This is the problem that they're going to have going forward. The further we get down the MCU timeline, the more ridiculous the explanations they have to give for why Group X has never been heard of before. Yeah, but there's an easy counter. Maybe just write the story so that this is the first time that they're relevant. No, we have to have decades of lore or thousands of years in this case, stretching back throughout human history because they're that important. It's going to get hard. I mean, it's eternal. It's right. Why didn't she help? Oh, we got told not to. I saw that in the trailer. I almost gagged. I was like, what? We really care about the Earth except when we're told not to. I couldn't believe it. I'm back. Hello. I actually really am ready this time. No funsies, no baxies. I'm actually ready. The way it works with the MSU's writing right now, as you know, is that they bring someone in and they go, yeah, I get to tell whatever story I want. They're like, oh, there's all these of the movies. No, no, no, no, no. My movie now. And you're like, okay, which will help you explain, help you understand this. We got our opening and it's it's a woman delivering exposition about this world as though you could treat this as though it's its own movie, like the way that they try to do it. And in a way, you're like, well, isn't that the point with the MSU? They should be able to stand alone. It's like, no, yeah, true. But when you start world building as a part of a world that has shit tons of world building starts to cross some stuff. So what we find out, because obviously you're probably wondering right? She's like, oh my god, what is it? Shang-Chi and the legend of the 10 rings? What are these 10 rings and what do they do? I was just I was just thinking that in my mind, the whole probably thinking like, where did they come from? Yeah, I won't come into the hands of the villain, like, or their origins was their purpose. A great idea for the film. What does the legend of the 10 rings? Exactly. Now, I'm I haven't got 100% of the opening here, but I've got an approximation. So I will do my best to give you what the film decides is the logic here. Okay, so it opens up. So like amazing and awesome and, you know, stuff. And then it says thousands of years. The legend of the 10 rings has been told and with each generation, the story grows. That's not true. Well, I get confused by that alone because I don't know how it you know, it's fine. It always seems to organizations where their legend keeps growing. It always seems to focus though on one man. They say he found the rings in a crater or that he stole them from grave. But they gave him the strength of a God and the gift of eternal life. Do they ever explain where they came from? Nope, that's it. Oh, that's literally a we're gonna find out where they came from. It'll be in the next movie. I'm trying to hang a carrot on it to tell, you know, hook people in where did they come from? Come back for the next adventure, right? Yeah, so and they say he could have used them for good but all he wanted was power that little bitch. So he calls up his army and for centuries they spread over every corner of the earth. They move in the shadows and they move over through governments and change the course of history. But they didn't spread to a condom. That's what's worth mentioning. They made this up. They absolutely made this shit up. They're just trying to... I don't... It's like one of those pictures in... it's like Pictochat where... you all remember Pictochat? Yeah, Pictochat was great on the Nintendo DS and you'd make a picture and then you'd say, haha, this is a funny picture and then you'd send it to your friend and your friend would add something and then they'd send it to someone else and they'd add something and then they'd add something and that's what it feels like now. There's nothing... like what was the original thing? I don't know, it's had so much shit stapled to it and nailed to it and hot glued to it that it's just... who knows what the MCU is anymore. So just to remind everybody we got Shang-Chi's legendary whatever Wing-Wing-Woo Wing-Wing-Woo, that's his name, the guy, the villainous... Wen-Woo Wen-Woo Wen-Woo Wen-Woo, Red-Woo, Kang Hydra and she will definitely... Yeah, yeah. And the Russian's involvement with both of that it's just like, yeah, everybody's thoroughly pulling their strings and everybody has... oh, Wakanda of course as well. They've got agents all over the world. It's so fucking stupid. You can picture there's like one guy in power in a room with like four bodyguards and each of them are like, I'm actually a Wakandan agent and everyone goes, I'm actually from fucking Wing-Woo's army and they're all like, I'm a Hydra agent bitch. TVA comes in and is like, you're all wrong. And then the one guy who's left doesn't reveal yet because he's like, you'll find out where I'm from in a later movie. It's all part of the Marvel template though now, isn't it? Like there's got to be some kind of like secret organization that's been controlling everything for decades. You know, there's got to be some kind of portal with alien things that pour through it for the big CGI finale. It's all just... It has to be grand all the time. It has to be massive. It has to be a world ending. And what's so annoying about it is that they're so vague on this, you know, the clandestine organization's mission and goals. They're just toppling governments for what? What were they trying to do? Power. Listen, toppling governments is its own reward. Yeah. If you just watch them put another government in their place, it doesn't really achieve much. But like, if this guy is kind of the same... Well, true. But this guy's had a couple of thousand years to do all this stuff. I don't know what the timeline was exactly, yeah. I mean, it's an ancient China, so we'll go say like conservatively a thousand years at least. In that amount of time, he's really just become a wealthy businessman with a bit of a crime empire in China. You could have done so much more, sir. With that time, I would have expected he would have been ruling an entire country at least. Well, Genghis Khan was able to conquer like, Mustavasia in the space of only because he shang many cheese. Wait, what? Well, technically, Khan allowed him to. Yeah. But Rags, you're right, he did shang many cheese. That's... He did. He shangs so many cheese you've probably got some Chi and you yourself. You know when someone takes like our world and then says, I'm making a story where actually an ancient god like being got armies and took over politics and stuff thousands of years ago, wow, how different the will be. It's like, no, it's mostly the same. Yeah, it's basically identical. And there's only so many times I can accept that. He's another one. There's another one. No, actually, actually, guys, this cake that is our MCU has another hidden layer, but it tastes just the same. I promise. So this another frustrating thing is they could have actually it is possible to insert a new organization that has existed for a long time and not have the world be restructured or impacted and still have it make sense if you had their mission be very, very specific and they were doing something on a smaller scale that didn't impact larger events or would have put them in the path of the other clandestine organizations. They could have done it, but they're so broad in what they're saying they did and the power and the level and the timeline and then they're vague on the specifics of what it causes. It's just a mess and you're wondering, what's going on? They could have solved this just by saying they were focused on controlling China, because China as a country is quite inward-looking anyway, it's not really about trying to expand so much as just controlling everything that happens inside it. And that's true. It hasn't been much instant content in China yet, so... That's what I was going to say. But I wonder how China, the real China would have reacted if the movie was like the Ten Rings actually, the Chinese governments and they're controlling it. Oh my God. Well then they would definitely love it if that was the case. To jump in as well, Rags, you're probably wondering what are the actual capabilities of these rings? What is their combat potential? I was about to say, guess what? This portion of the exhibition is pretty much done in terms of that just get over it. They've controlled stuff since the beginning and they're currently active when we were sort of team and so you're just like, wow, all the way to the present day. The Red Room's excuse was you see Dreykov planned to make world-changing things happen just when Black Widow stopped him. I know, it sounds convenient but with this one it's like nah, he's been doing his shit for ages. It's just you have a door steady of it. So then it's like, right, so we've done that. It all lines up really well with the modern MCU. Oh perfectly well, yeah. I wouldn't even have noticed a difference because I've always felt that they've set this up. You guys remember all the references to Wing Woo's army and influence, yeah. All the time, yeah. Going back to Avengers Age of Ultron. Ultron, yeah, he wanted the Wing Woo power suit. Actually pretty funny, the Ultron when he was plugged in and stuff, he probably should have been like wait, what the fuck is Wakanda? All the shit to do with Wakanda because he can probably infect their systems and then he'd be like, the hell is Wing Woo? Did they allow anyone to have internet in Wakanda? You know, maybe they were closed network. Is Wakanda like China and they don't they have a highly restricted internet access? You can't go to places where the communist government doesn't want you to go to. I'm just trying to picture coming home from work on my war rhino you know, like saddling it up and stuff, sitting down and just logging on to my Wakanda net to just check out the latest news in Wakanda. Exactly, well because I was going to say like it's so farcical. I think I brought it up in my video, I can't remember now but imagine being like a young sort of whip a snapper in all Wakanda and you got hyper technology, you're told that you guys are basically the best in the world because they're all like savage and colonized and stuff and you're like, oh, can we go visit it and it's like, no, you can't step out of the border and you're like, hmmm and then if you have technology to be able to see to see what happens on the other side of the world and stuff you'd be like, oh my god, look at these amazing places that I'm not allowed to visit look at all these things that are happening that are horrible that I'm not allowed to help Yeah, exactly and that's if they do know if they don't know, how much worse is that you're like, we can't tell you about anything that happens outside of this dome, you're like, why? and you're like, doesn't that sound like to set up for a horror movie where it's like everything's perfect except beyond the dome do not go beyond the dome You've got North Korea, essentially then like you've just got the state that tells you what you are allowed to talk about and what information you're allowed to have and you're basically kept ignorant of everything outside your own country so yeah, like you're living in a totalitarian nightmare It's even like you're living in a state where the leader of the country is the physically strongest and that's it, that's the only metric you'll need It's just highlighting that it wouldn't work the way they tell us it does people would have broken out of Wakanda long ago there would have been so many different people who and they can by the way, they can just walk through the barrier whenever they want, apparently They have to break the work conditioning Oh my god, but yeah, because they're like claws the only person who managed to get in there now that's what we've joked about in the past that other explorers have gone in there and Wakanda has fucking executed them and hidden the body it was just like, Jesus the wall of bone surrounding the dome yeah but once again, it was bad when we were told all these other organizations were doing it we just got another one and it's become such a joke I wouldn't be surprised if they say that the Skrulls have been on Earth now for thousands of years controlling everything Oh my god well, I mean, different invasions coming up different invasions coming up that would definitely be the plot of that they've been there for a while anyway and then they've infiltrated the government when they kill Kang, he's like you don't understand, I was never in control it was flying, I'm just like oh my gosh Galactus so anyway, his rings what he uses to dominate a lot of these fights and ranks, he's doing some crazy stuff man, he'll just like what would you guys describe of the powers what's his name his name is Wing Woo, right Wing Woo? where? he's supposed to be the man you've already done that joke before did I? I thought I did how I got a few more I feel like that's the same joke I feel like that's probably the same joke it's a huge derivation okay so question do you reckon you could really call these rings or should they be a more appropriately called bracelets? they're rings but you wear them on your arms they probably satisfy the definition of a ring they are because the headwear ring is a ring and it's like 10,000 miles I could put that on my finger yeah if you were Galactus you could put that on your finger yeah if you want to make it like Chinese you could call them, I'll type it here in the chat for you so the joke makes sense you could call them the hoops of hula I don't like hula hoops we see what you did yeah I see that was pretty good that was pretty good that was good in terms of establishing how powerful these rings are he's like fighting against some ancient army and they fire a volley of arrows and he just like he just he has the ring spinning around him and they deflect every single arrow these rings these rings are basically scarlet witch yeah they can do pretty much anything how long can you control them is it just because he found them first well do they just listen to whoever are they just weapons wait wait wait I want like zero jumping ahead as best as you guys can do we're going to want to reveal this stuff we're going to want to reveal this stuff we'll do what we can if there's something that Ragn asks we'll get the answer to that a little bit later but what I was going to say in this scene the most powerful thing you see him do is like some kind of blast that blows apart like 500 warriors and digs a hole into like a wall I have a question okay because again the rings are really confusing the blast is it from the physical impact of the rings being shot from his wrist and they landed to something or do they the rings actually shoot at energy wave I can't remember now I think rings themselves go because I'm pretty sure they have to return to the wearer after they've been used that's what I thought like when I kept watching it at first I thought they were energy waves when I kept watching they were leaving his wrist making a contact with something and always returning and that for the rings to do something it's requiring them to actually have physical contact and move towards it so he throws them like well no they should say have their own kind of levitation you think of it like you push a fist forward and then one flies off and hits someone then they retract back onto your wrist so I guess you can just manipulate them with the power of his mind or whatever and the way he jumps high is like he thrusts his fist towards the ground and the rings shoot off his wrist, hit the ground and that shoots him up into the air and do a big super jump does he know when he lands? oh no so this is the thing right of what we're told you are a glass can with those things you could get killed easily if you don't you know you're just human with them but you like a good comparison with Scarlet Witch that means that you should be affected by the powers of gravity but you know well I assume they gave him general superhuman capacity because it made him immortal so he was able to live forever but clearly they don't though it seems like they don't give you any superhuman capacity at all like I'm pretty sure he can be beaten up and injured just like a regular human well he can, yeah exactly the idea is that it's really hard for anybody to even like hit him because he's so good at using the rings I must have got that completely wrong because I was just watching a whole movie assuming he had general superhuman abilities in strengths but I think they're almost explicit like he can live for a really long time and he can like beat the fuck out of people with powerful spells with his rings and stuff but how did anyone with that primitive level of technology beat the rings then? they didn't so if that's the case it should have been so easy to defeat him if he had that limitation like someone could have just snuck up on him and stabbed him in the back true but that's how they got Attila yeah I guess you'd be surprised that nobody across his entire reign all the way up to 2000 when was this set is it 24? wait he was alive up to 2024? well that's when the film is set yeah he's mortal so he's still alive through all of this? yeah that's the thing wearing the rings presumably gives you you don't age wait wait I thought he like had entire like control of kingdom and a massive army and everything well this is where it gets a bit hazy because it's like first of all he was a conqueror like Genghis Khan type and then he just kind of settled into being more of like a Drake of type character yeah he just has like this kind of spy organization that controls governments and stuff behind the scenes so I don't really understand how that happened but yeah that's what they do he must have had some kind of like a nation well it's so weird people with borders and a no this is the thing the narration seems to be a it seems to be establishing this because it's conquering nations armies and stuff and so the natural implications are like alright he must be the ruler of an entire nation but then it literally says he decided to move into the shadows and when I heard that I was like why? yeah why would you do that I can tell you why because it would make any sense if they did anything else it was so dumb and this is in the opening part of the movie but when I hear that it's like alright here we go if I had 10 magic plot rings and I had control of a whole huge country and I was going around and I was conquering people and making my big amazing cool kingdom I'd be like hell yeah this is the life I got an army I got respect I got all the bitches my face is on the coins this is just this is great this is really this is peak human right here I made it I'm going to keep doing this well there'd be nothing to stop you really conquering the entire planet because you've got all the time in the world you're immortal you've got armies that can't be defeated as long as you've got the 10 rings and so if his goal was just the acquisition of power like why would he ever stop until he conquered the entire world they make it so clear it was all about power that they're like he stopped at um well and he went into the shadows and got power in the shadows controlling things we don't even know what he had the influence of power over they just tell us that that's true exactly and what I said in my review you could you could have justified it the MCU has established the superpowers vastly beyond this guy and his you know prissy little rings and so you could have just said in his accumulation of power he eventually came across people who were stronger than him and had the capacity to utterly destroy him I needed to be more covert about this and then he moves in the shadows for that reason and if they wanted to be really clever they couldn't even tie it in with the immortals or the eternals or whoever those people are going to be that perhaps ran into some of those guys and they're like oh these guys are way more powerful than me they're going to kill me unless I switch up my game plan well yeah there's got to be something that happens that gets him from going from I'm the king of a whole army that runs around like it's Ella just Yakuza plus what's great as well see when you actually encounter him in the present day like not to jump ahead too much but you really don't get a sense that he's got a huge amount of resources at his disposal I don't think you see more than like 50 guys in his entire forms it's really pathetic it's this crappy little bunker compound in the mountains hidden away as I already know when he makes his big attack against the fairy tale land at the end like I kid you not there's about two dozen guys in like four trucks that come out that's his entire army well you could assume this other reason potentially for that there's so much wrong with well so we'll give you some more guys we'll get you to chew off a little bit more okay so you got all of that all of that makes perfect sense we're off to a great start so he's he's looking into a legend cause he's like different legend this is actually completely unrelated to the fucking 10 rings I've theoretically conquered the entire world even though I haven't but like what can I set my sights on now the line is he had nothing left on earth to conquer and that's when he came to my home he conquered the whole earth he conquered all of the world how is this not being taught in every history lesson because he did it in the shadows how do you conquer the world in the shadows is this like some freemason conspiracy again that's what draykov was doing so you have presidents making decisions you've got two advisors in his ear actually I believe you should choose option A the other one's like I think option B is the correct option in the presence I don't trust either of you and the the guy with the rings he actually gives the reason no that's the other guy wengwu what do you say wengwu I don't know I just that's what my brain goes to is wengwu okay wengwu I'm so confused he says the reason why he's trying to hunt down this village and he says to learn the martial arts of the gods it's like oh okay one of the gods need martial arts no idea that's like shit it's like I don't have a weapon I gotta make the best of this so he has like a map and we see him this is a little part of the exposition in the opening he's in like a truck with a bunch of his men in a forest he's driving down some kind of gap in the forest and you're like okay and then Wengwu the forest tries to eat them all like in a metaphorical sense the trees are clashing into each other and if you stay still they will eat you oh my god through like a giant field of bamboo essentially and like there's like a path in front of them but then it starts closing in behind them as they go and it's like oh my god the forest is moving and I'm pretty sure it's described as it will eat you later on and there is no explanation why or how the forest can do this apart from just just magic it's just magic now they can do it because reasons because it's not actually it's not tracking them and it's not actually trying to eat them it's just moving in a certain pattern that like if you get the pattern wrong then you'll get swallowed up by it right the forest moves in a pattern imagine like Pac-Man moving through the maze and like it only follows a certain route continuously like you just have to memorize the route and that route it's specifically it's a path that the trees part to open up temporarily for like only a couple of seconds and then they close in behind it in a line and so is this like the impenetrable forest from Wakanda literally we have an impenetrable forest now Jay would be proud so the trees move around and they make like pathways and openings like a maze now you might think like a little maze okay why don't you just fly in yeah there you go there's your solution to the entire movie you could literally just fly a chopper over it and land on the other side and you're fine it doesn't make any sense at all everybody who's seen this movie why wouldn't you fly you own the world apparently it's 95 if you try the first time they had helicopters in 95 go dads they own a helicopter I also I love the fact that the way this forest moves and the speed the kind of safe gap moves at it could only ever have been traversed by people in like a high speed car like a Jeep or something like that you can't run it it's kind of like could you run it then could you use the rings to run fast is that one of their many powers you could use the rings to just fly right over it also like also pretend that I don't know you try and fly and suddenly a tree literally shoots out of the ground like a missile and will kill anything in the sky okay still they're freaking trees use the rings to chop them all down or something like that or drop napalm on them and just burn the other questions can we not cut them down why not someone was trying to make an argument like a moral one for that I was like no I'm just curious mechanically can we cut them down a moral reason for chopping down trees well the trees eat you so you can consider itself to fast well it's a tree it doesn't have to do anything you just chop it down right make a chair I'm just saying it's a weird one and so I think all of his men get wiped out except him yeah their car gets pushed off a cliff or something and he survives just and then of course but then he starts walking through the forest very normally like he's just like alright on my way alright and then of course he meets a woman in the forest there is a woman there's a random place where you reach and it's like there's an opening in the trees there's like a nice pond very picturesque woman is just alright so I hold we might have skipped ahead who was doing all this when we when he wants to the world yeah and he's decided he wants to learn the kung fu of the gods okay all right crazy map or something that's going to take him to a place that he can learn it even though he's got nothing else to go on goes through the magical bullshit bamboo forest that eats his friends and then he just like wanders through by himself until he gets to this woman so he didn't bring his friends with him his army they got et by the tree they got et by the tree so he was like oh okay I'll come back why did he not use his ring powers to chop down all the that's how he got out of the car got knocked off a cliff into the forest and he jumped out but all his buddies fell into the forest yes and then he just walked into the forest and found this lady there makes you wonder what must have been like an instance was like I used to rule the world and now I'm just like here in this forest I'm in this forest trees are eating my 12 guys like what how did I fuck this up oh really um so I want it said he's master of the ten rings right I've been doing this just centuries centuries centuries and he fights this lady uh rags with his ten rings full intent to kill her because she's like a defender of the forest I guess I don't fucking know he loses how great question you got there she has the martial arts of the gods he loses because woman but here's the thing martial arts is like but if I have like a knife or a gun dare I say like your martial arts doesn't mean anything well so this is weird hard like just on that note rags the there is an interesting question to be had about the employment of firearms in this film let's just say that like a lot of the other Marvel stuff where it's like oh yeah guns make things hard for heroes who we don't want to just shoot oh yeah yeah because this is a kung fu movie literally it's all kung fu nobody thinks to use projectile weapons to a meaningful degree I know I'm bringing a gun where I go so just to give you an example right he like does a big jump with his rings slams down on her with both arms with all the rings attached and she just blocks it with one arm she like almost like if you can consider the arms swords right and you block with a sword she like just blocks the attack with her arm it's like but remember these rings these rings were so strong that he like threw it at a whole army and it just cut right through like it went straight through so she can block it all we get from here is that she has the power from the dragon wind she says she says at the beginning I think that when she leaves the forest we have to leave the power with the dragon it's like okay what dragon we're on that later that's a whole other conversation yeah it actually looks like she's air bending at times in the fight well if you remember as well so this is just as confusing now as it may very well be when we talk about other things he like fires all the rings at her and she like collects them and starts spinning them around and they turn orange instead of when they're with him they're blue and then when she has them they go orange and you're like oh it was so like when that happened I'm thinking what mechanism is making you have control over these rings and for some reason in the plot she has the magical ability to rest control of these rings from him for reasons nothing is explained why she just can so I'm probably correct in imagining that like the power levels and the understanding of what people can do their strengths and vulnerabilities is just basically a one big question mark she takes the ring off him temporarily uses them as self and then she gives him back it is bizarre why would she do why would she do that he's an evil prick question by this time her loins are tiring them this whole fight it's doing quite some of their eyes looking at each other and they're starting to flirt while they fight and by the end they're utterly smitten they do yeah they do it becomes like a kind of a dance the dragon lady so the dragon the kung fu dragon lady she falls in love with Wing Woo and because he can fight oh so now he's going to give her another ring yes also because we're about to understand the context of the exposition which is that she and he have a son and daughter and they are described well she is describing this history to the son being Shang Chi when he was a kid her line is you can't choose who you fall in love with and I'm like yeah you can if he's like that's dumb though it's like you can choose that he's a bit too far for me like that's yeah that's that's pretty that's not a good message to give to anyone that's not a good because what exactly made her fall in love with him like when he was trying to kill her when he was trying to kill her you look nice maybe this isn't maybe this is like are they both Chinese maybe this is like a Chinese thing where it's kind of like how in Korea if you want to marry a woman you have to you have to defeat her father in Starcraft maybe this is some kind of like a Chinese sort of a kung fu battle of love or something like that and you have to maybe that's what it's in reference to but in any case they basically the logic as well I left and I lost my powers but he gave up the rings and gave up his little criminal empire and they settle down and they have their little family and the important detail about that is that she gives the son of the daughter a little little necklace each that has a little pendency thing on it that will be relevant the shape of an eye make sure you put that in there she gives the son and the daughter a necklace that's that are yeah we don't know what they do just we're aware of them that's all alright so when they meet up later that's how they know that they're going to get split off and separated and so that's how they're going to know that their brother and sisters because they each have the pendants not quite they know who each other is anyway but the pendants will serve a purpose are they magic yeah here when she hands over the pendants is essentially saying here is a plot device that we can exploit for whatever we want later on so anyway that so yeah everything's great right but then because the rings he's not doing evil ringman things and she's so he stops being evil because of her and she stops protecting the forest because of him yeah she leaves the forest so presumably someone else will protect her the trees can protect it right or unless someone flies in and brings a chainsaw that's true but wasn't it also established that there is a village beyond something beyond the forest that's where the kung fu of the gods lies how did they get out of the forest and she specifically when she left the forest she left her village the village that she had originally come from how did she get out of the forest she probably knows the pattern and she ran real fast so she could memorize the pattern so rags maybe she could memorize the pattern but the problem is they were in a car and that was not fast enough for them to die but even if you do remember it you can't take advantage of that it's literally you need some kind of high powered she can fly did they make those? she can but she but she gave the rings could she have controlled the forest and just closed it to part wait so she can fly without the rings or did she fly with the rings she can fly without them yeah she can levitate herself for a brief period of time with her airbending it's the power of the dragon so in the MCU what is that is that a new power thing that they're introducing into the MCU or is this like the Scarlet Witch magic so it's the power of the dragon and we'll have to talk a bit more about what the implications of that may or may not be when we get more on it which we will as time goes on oh boy everything's picture perfect it's the perfect family it's the perfect family it's like the Mortal Kombat movie that came out recently the dad goes off and does his dad things unfortunately can I just interrupt here because already at this point in the film I was not sold on the villain he didn't feel particularly evil or power hungry in the flashbacks of him being a warlord tyrant I wasn't sold on the falling in love with this so much for me misfired with the delivery of the performance the execution of this guy as the primary cause of most of the conflict in the film and because of that everything was falling flat and even at this point it fails to establish him as a threat because he gets his ass kicked the first time he gets into a major conflict with someone are you talking about the 95 fight well because his first fight is against the whole army that he destroys well yeah but I mean that's not like against a significant character so like that's fine it establishes him as a conqueror but then when it's time for him to actually go one on one with someone then he gets his ass kicked and I agree because I was like how the hell did she beat him isn't the whole point that he's like supercharged and it's like power of the dragon baby okay can he is the power of the dragon something that you learn or does the dragon like give you its power again we can do a bit more speculary once we get more cause we will get a few more references for that but I realized I was about to say so all we know we know that and I think they don't give us more exposition on the history until a little bit later so you get that as you're like primer and then we cut to modern day Shang-Chi in his job with Aquafina or Marbles Katie as she was promoted and they're both valets and I think essentially the exposition has stopped now and the story is beginning wait so why would they have normal jobs if their parents are who they are do they not have special guardian things to do Katie Marbles Katie is not his sister like someone else so he is Shang-Chi so we we don't have the connecting pieces for all of it yet they should probably be very reasonable questions and they will have some answers I'm just trying to think of how best to sort of explain it to you should I jump ahead with some of the more bits and bobs for like exposition or wait until they do it in the film it's tricky to tackle his characterization we're talking a little bit about his history but then you can't really do that until it gets revealed later in the film I guess we should just describe it in the way we saw it cause then we can obviously so cause there's still people in chat who are just like rags listening to this like what is this story I don't know so you should feel like hey we went from that exposition story that ended with them being kids being told a story by their mum getting those necklaces and the dad not doing the rings and we've cut forward to Shang-Chi's not with his sister or his family and he's a valet in America so what happened we'll get more on that as time goes on but they of all the sins you could have in a film like just I hate that casual dialogue is just so dead in the MCU and so like everybody says exactly what they mean and it's all relaying important information in a way that it's impossible to misunderstand like in the first scene you just have lines like you know it's kind of like that you're my best friend dialogue I don't know what I want to do with my life or see my mum she has this perspective it was from mine that kind of dialogue I hate it see how even the jokes they used to be kind of snappy and quite witty and now it's just really labored crap like the whole like that joke that Aquafina makes about him changing his name from Shang-Chi to Sean is that a joke that she's called Aquafina because that's like a brand of water bottled water well before this movie started getting promoted I'd never even heard of her or at least if I had I didn't remember and so I was super fucking confused when people said it's starring Aquafina I was like what does that mean oh that's a real actress is Aquafina going a bit far calling her an actress I have no idea what a career is honestly I just know that I think she was singer before actor I thought she was going to be one of those supposed comedians with an annoying voice that they wanted in the film yeah if she has been a singer she has destroyed her vocal chords in her music career right she sounds like she has a bucket of cigarettes just in her throat at all times oh that's not good she talks like that Sean Sean honestly distracting I was like holy fuck I guess it's because I just haven't heard much of her before so I was just like whoa Aquafina but yeah she's our what you would call at this point you'd easily assume it's like oh she's comic relief I guess okay I'm fucking hilarious and as Fringy just said I think one of the first lines she shares with Sean is what he's called right now she jumps in a car and he's like we can't play with this car this is a really expensive car and then she goes Sean we've been friends for 10 years so slick isn't it I've never told my yeah growing up like when I had friends we would first off we rarely ever even refer to the fact that we were friends because that's information we are both aware of and we do not need to tell each other this like it's news yeah I've never kept track of the time either like I remember sometimes like how long have we known each other I have no fucking idea Gary made this joke he said it to me we've been friends for like a year and a half and I was like have we I don't even remember it was even that long it was even longer or shorter I don't know nobody fucking keeps track of this shit as if like you write down dates and times come on and also like pet peeve it's always 10 years or 15 years or 20 years or 5 years it's never like 4 years or 7 years that just really annoys me I don't know why it annoys me when everything lines up from 10 year marks 10 is probably the most generic honestly the one is the most generic 10 is the most generic 10 is with decade of friendship wazz up um they go to like a dinner with her parents right oh yeah they're on a household they're on a double day as well aren't they with this other couple who are really old man just to interrupt briefly steal a car that was supposed to park and go on a joy ride and I'm watching this and I'm thinking, hmm, it's not very heroic. All right, okay, listen, okay, I was a valet. I did that. That was something. Really? Yeah. My first job was a valet and I have done that. I did a few. I did a few. I need to run some errands in my car, but go get it. It's a harmless thing to do. It can be harmless. It can be harmless. It could also go horrifically wrong, but there are different levels. You know, it's... Rags? No, you're a terrible person. You should feel ashamed. How dare you? No, I don't feel bad about it at all. You know, it's interesting though as well. He's sat in the passenger seat just scared shitless while she's just having the time of her life and I'm just sitting there thinking, what a hero. This guy is badass, man. Yeah, you'd hoped. Well, all I can say is I don't know if they were intending... Is he deliberately doing that? And that's the point he's coming across is like, oh, I'm scared because you remember the bus scene, he's like... She's like, what the fuck? He's like, I'm not the person you thought I was. That sort of thing. I honest, the characterisation is so fucked in this. I agree. I don't know if he's acting like that or if he actually is feeling that. It's just... I don't know what this character is. I don't know who he is or what he's trying to be. Yeah. Yeah, the Rags. Just Rags, what type of car did you, you know, hijack? What type? I can't remember them all. Dodge Vipers and Mazda Speed 3's and Miata's and stuff, you know, stuff. It's pretty cool cars. Nice. Yeah, it's pretty nice. I can understand the temptation, you know, getting rid of this guy. Did you ever joy ride a Pontiac Aztec? No, we did get some, though. Every once in a while, we get a Pontiac Aztec. Popular cars. You never, they're not special. You just, it's a car that you look at and you never forget that you've seen it. Wait, did someone clarify by the looks? I genuinely don't know. Who were they going to dinner with? I don't remember. It was her parents? No. It was Caddy's family. Wait, I... Wait, oh, wait. Sorry, I'm mixing them up. No, they went to dinner with, like, their friend. Yeah, it was like their childhood friend who's like a lawyer now or something and, like, they would get just nice because they're fucking Valley Parkers. I think it might have been her sister and her boyfriend. Is that who it is? Well, the reason why I was trying to get it, the vague idea is because of just how cringe the dialogue is again. They're, like, talking about how they would enjoy riding. It's super fun. And then they can't, like, the other people. It's in the name. Yeah. And the other people are there and, like, sort of looking at them like, eh. And then Katie is like, you guys used to be wild. What happened? And then she goes, I grew up. I grew up. And then she goes, like, the coward just cuts on her. She's like, what is that supposed to mean? It's so like... Yeah, we are expediting our exposition right now. And then... Well, look, you need to figure out what you guys want to do in your lives, you can't just be valets forever. That's not true. Valets make fucking bank. Another line is, you're a valet driver with an honors degree from Berkeley. Like, okay. Thank you for telling me not only what I have, but where I received it. I'm sure, is there not another line, like, oh, we've known each other since we were kids and, like, you've always been irresponsible or something. Just to give it another like, I need to remind you that we're friends and we've known each other a long time. Someone asked why am I not playing the movie. There is no copy available that isn't blotchy. Let's put it that way. And I don't really want to repeat three minutes of trailer, like, throughout the whole thing. So enjoy the EFAP tile. It looks gorgeous. Gorgeous. Look at it. Yeah, because this movie did not get released on streaming much like Black Widow did. And will the Aeternals, Aeternals is a theater exclusive, right? It's going to theaters, yeah. And then Spider-Man will be too, and if they event, like, that'll just... Well, so that's kind of like, that's the meta story is that Shungchi was successful more so than was expected. And now it seems like theaters, that's the thing that's happening. And I think our fans got pushed up for weeks. This is really showing how much Scarlett Johansson got shafted on the release of Black Widow then. Because if that was a cinematic exclusive, I think we would have done a lot better. Yeah. Well, that's what happened. Maybe this would be used as evidence in court, potentially. It could be, it could be. The thing is, like, if like 300 million worldwide is like a success, I don't want to know what failure it looks like, man. Well, it's just COVID times, right? Like, and I think it's probably going to do more than 300 million by the time it's done. I mean, yeah. 400 million might be optimistic, but it seems like that bet is going to get won. Maybe. You never know. What if interest completely drops offering and no one watches it ever again? Oh, yeah, maybe. I guess we'll find out at the end of this weekend, right? Yeah, this weekend will be super interesting again. Yeah. So, yeah, it's that scene where they're just talking with those people. It's the scene of like, these people are not sure what they want to do in life. Okay. You're like, yeah, I got it. That's fine. Yeah. And then I think they go and have, they like party in like a club. That sounds great. I love watching people I don't care about have parties and clubs. It's some. No, they do carry okay. Singing funny, yeah. Singing funny and having fun. It's just like the one that happened in Captain Marvel. If you guys remember, she has like a montage where she remembers, well, she sees memories of her and Monica Rambo's mum. I forgot her name. Something Rambo, right? Maria. Yeah. Miss Rambo. And they do karaoke as well because karaoke together is just like, oh, they must be such great friends. That's really fun. It's so relatable. It makes me feel like they're people. Yeah. Mauler, consider the amazing bit of setup as well for later in the movie where she mentions that like she sings Hotel California when someone's threatening her because it blindsights them or something. Yes. It pays off so well. Keep that in mind. She mentions that when being attacked, she will sing Hotel California to. Why doesn't she? Why doesn't she go? Or something like that? I don't even know what you said because it like all muffled from the volume. Oh, it's it's oh, I screamed. I screamed as one might do when they are being attacked. Well, so the idea is that if you sing the lyrics to Hotel California, it'll confuse them for a few seconds. You know, because they'll be so like blown away by what you've done. They'll stop attacking you. Maybe just for a couple seconds, literally, literally, but they're just going to be like, that's weird as they continue to. But right. Okay. All right. Guys, guys, I have it. I have a different tragic that someone's being assaulted. Guys, guys, I have a different point of information on this. Okay. So sometimes randomly, I'd actually haven't watched many of these recently, but you know, you watched some dumb prank videos around then. And so I was watching this one prank one where they this guy went to a rough neighborhood on purpose to try and pick fights with people. Oh, yeah. Do you know what? And the guy and the guy is picking fight with gets really just ready to fall and smash the guy down. And then he drops his Dax and he has a strap on his thing and he starts to wobble and shake and the guys just completely freak out and run for it. They're ready. Oh, yeah. He does something so crazy random and just out of the bounds of normal human interaction and decency. Wait. They just go out and they run with clarifying. You remember these right in the hood pranks. I'm my criticism is much more on I just don't think it's funny. That's all. Like the idea that it might work. It's like, yeah, I might give you a few seconds. Yeah. I am. I'd like to point out that the person it works on later in the movie is a trained killer, a trained assassin, and it's in the middle of a massive battle. It's some. Oh, yeah. I'm not saying like maybe if she actually did do that, that would freak him out even more. Well, I think it only buys her a literal couple of seconds, right? I think I guess if you're if you're expecting to be attacked to the point where you have like a plan, it should be better than I'm going to hope that if I do something strange, it will buy me a couple extra seconds. I mean, again, it's it's for memes. Like it's not really like a strategy. She doesn't intend to fight people or whatever. It's just ends up getting paid off later. Okay. And just on the note of the video. Yeah, I'm aware that it is very likely fake as well, but I'll probably run if a guy did that. Just well, I mean, those, those, those, those pranks were really stupid. Like there's, there's not really a prank of like, Hey, I want to step on your shoes. It's like, Oh, thanks. You have stepped on my shoe. Like where's the prank? That's not a prank. No, I know. You just, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You stepped on my shoes. Yeah. Like I'd be pretty mad. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But then the fact that they just dream it's a prank while crying. It's like, it's no matter what you're expecting. So then we get the bus. The bus scene, which is, um, uh, yes, uh, I'll go. Oh, oh, oh, do they get the Shang-Chi on the bus? I'm afraid not. Oh, depending on your definition. Um, so the, the, the, the, the, the, I'm trying to think of like how best to describe it so you get everything. And then you guys can talk about it on the bus. I remember this. So that there's chilling out on the bus and there's some girl hyping up something on the laptop and they make fun of her for no reason. Like, oh, look at her working hard. Like that's, I don't know. I just wanted me valets. That's, that's what I want to do. I don't have, I'm not, I don't have an identity crisis. Not at all. And then, uh, some dude walks past some, some sketch looking dude. He looks at the pendants and, um, like, Shang-Chi gets grabbed, pulled off of his seat. Uh, and, and then they're like, give us the pendant. Now you might be thinking. They're just robbers. We'll find out eventually, but the first question you might have is why would you restrain him and not just take the thing? Why are you asking him to give it to you? Just take it. That's what you're here for, right? I mean, I guess he's hoping for that 0.01% chance that he takes it off and goes, here you go. Well, as you find out later, they are trying to provoke him into fighting. Why? To find out if he can. Well, yeah, but we'll get to that. But anyway, like him, he can and avoid that. Well, I mean, well, it's safe to assume that he can given the information that you find out. Well, they, they know who he is. They know there's certain things they know about his past that make it weird that they would treat him like he is not entirely fully capable of doing the things that he can. Um, so they might have like magical powers or something like that. Just because it's linear. Nothing magical. No, no magic. Just they know who they know what his past is. So if it existed in real life, it would be mad at the level of his combat ability. But yeah. Yeah. I don't think I legit don't think I don't follow what you're saying. They know his history. They know his history. So they know what he's capable of doing. Shang Chi. You will. The Finnish flag doesn't know Shang Chi's history. Yeah. What did he do in his history? Well, yeah. It's kind of hard to say. You get it right after the, um, the bus scene. So we can, you can tell him at this point. Yeah. Like he learned how to fight. Wait, wait. So last, last you heard was the, yeah, you're skipping last, last you heard the family was really happy. Right. Right. No rings, no dragon heart powers. Everyone was just. Yeah. I asked about, yeah. How come he's a valet in the air? Yeah. So let's pretend it's really weird the way they do it in this film, but, um, after the bus scene, which we'll go back to, he's explaining his history to, uh, to Aquafina, basically one fateful night when the dad's out doing his dad things, a rival gang that's got issues with old dad Aruni. Like. Imagine he has a lot of people on his shit list for all the conquering and warring and whatnot. Yeah. They come in and they're like, whoa. And the mum is like, uh-oh. And tells the kid to, to go away. It's obviously super young and she fights them. And I think correct me if I'm wrong anybody. Does she like kill them all, but they kill her? Yeah. There's like a mountain of bodies around her because she's that good. The mum dies when the dad comes home and he's like, what? And, uh, the way he describes it is the dad basically goes on a wall path. He gets the rings back on and he tries to find out exactly who did it, why all that good stuff. So he gave up using the rings. Yeah. For the family. Yeah. Yeah. So he had a few years of just trying to be a regular family man. And that's when. Yeah. That's when all these gangsters like past enemies caught up with him. And it's funny. Like, did he not consider that? It's like, I'm going to be a regular family man. Though I've made like thousands and thousands of enemies, but I'll just leave my home completely unprotected. And. It's also abusing the shame they turned up and he wasn't home. Yeah. Because you just pop the rings on and fuck them all up. But, you know, the point is that he gets very angry. And to the point he's like, I'm going to make it so my son is a hyper charge man. And from like, I don't know, super young, for I think a very long while, he gives him some of those rigorous training ever. And actually like firearms, right? Or something. No, good old punching walls and stuff. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They hit him with sticks and that makes him strong. Now rags, keep in mind as well, right? Between Shang-Chi and his sister, only Shang-Chi is trained. He is trained harder and longer than any other member of the 10 rings. He is like the black widow of black. Wait, the 10 rings is a group? The organization. Yeah. Yeah. He named the organization after his rings. Yeah. I forget how much there is to explain sometimes. Yeah. Oh, okay. I was okay. Anyway, the big takeaway from this is like Shang-Chi is like the best fighter that they've ever produced. Yes. As the others may have noticed, I'm deliberately avoiding detailing a particular part of this family history until we get to a certain point. So don't worry about that. Yes. It's going to be great for rags to experience that as the story lets you know about it. But they're pretty explicit in showing how intensive the training is. He is hitting wooden, you know, poles until his knuckles are bloody. Yeah. He is getting smacked with other wooden poles to make it increase his pain tolerance. And he is master. I made treatment. Okay. There is this master with this mask on who is this super ninja and this super ninja is training him. And it's important that you recognize the super ninja because the super ninja comes in later. So that's deaf dealer. I was about to say it's worth saying that comic fans and so that wouldn't include rags. But I think it's important that people come up later that he's getting trained personally by death dealer. One of the big baddies for would that be for Fu Man shoes baddies or Mandarin's bad. I don't even know. And comic character. Oh, okay. So I guess that makes more sense. The just it's just kind of like a neat little look and it's like your first glimpse being like, oh shit, there is death dealer. Wonder what they'll get up to sort of thing. So yeah. So the reason for all that history is yeah, he's been trained extensively. He is very good at fighting. So obviously they would be stupid to just walk up to him without sneaking up on him and putting a bullet in his head or something when he wasn't really dumb. Exactly. But but yeah, so so they've got him restrained and they're like, yeah, give us the pendant and Katie's like, oh, does he look like he can fight. And then they like push over and that makes Shang Chi very it's a nice little hero moment you can call it where he's like refusing to fight and trying to come across an old person the second she gets hurt. His friend gets hurt here. Exactly. Don't touch my friend. And I'll give her credit for that. That was that was a good moment. So that's what you it's what you'll notice is the through line here rags is like of all the phase four guys. He's actually a good person. Oh my God. Here's a good person, which yeah, that actually helped not. So it's a great film. You're like, why is that our metric for great that our main character is a good guy? But yeah, then he beat the shit out of all these guys on the bus, including razor fist. Well, I was about to say, yeah, we've got a character. Right. It's got half an arm off, but like a metal plate on it and out shoots a sword that has like a flaming edge on it. Oh, so you're fucked because you can't. Yeah, so you're you're fucked. He beats him easily. Just think as well of all the things you could attach to like a cybernetic arm like a gun or like some kind of taser or flamethrower or a fucking arm with actual hands and fingers about an arm. Yeah, an arm. So many weapons. They just they just choose a flaming sword that's literally only usable in like a close combat situation. It's like as much as I love swords, it is profoundly dumb. Like the MCU has established robot arms all over the place. Like I know for an organization with supposedly as much power and resources, the 10 rings, they'd be able to get their hands on one or develop any number of things. Yeah, like I was going to say as well, this this sword is fixed at the same angle on his arm. Like you can't rotate it or anything. And I'm going to say, I'm going to guess that you would have a few things to say about that because I'm pretty sure swords are meant to be able to like rotate them, like change your grip on them and stuff. Like that's part of how they're so usable. It really does limit, yeah, it limits the angles of attack that you use. Though the interesting thing, the historical comparison to it is actually a thing called the gauntlet sword or pata from India. And that is actually fixed in the direction of the point of your, so your knuckles are pointing forward. The sword is extending forward from the knuckles in a fixed thing. And I actually made a duplicate. I have a whole video on the pata. And it's interesting, it does limit your range of motion. You can fight, but the thing with the pata is that the reason why you can get away with fighting is because the blade is long enough that you can still keep people at bay and get the angles that you need because of its length. With the length of sword that this one has with where it's projecting from, which is like his arm is chopped off really just past the elbow a little bit. His range of motion would be very limited and his reach would also be really limited. It's an extremely dumb option, especially when he could have just had a robot arm and then he could have held a sword or held a gun. Or a gun and just shot the thing. You have to stop this kung fu master. He's like, all right, I'll just shoot him then. And it's worth mentioning that one of the first things he does is attack and miss. The sword goes through the floor and it cuts the brake line. So we're on a runaway vehicle now in San Francisco. So nice. Oh my goodness. Well, is that where the break? Okay. You have all the things he could have cut. Whoops. Yeah. The one thing you don't want to cut also during it, the driver hits his head and gets knocked out. And so it's up to Marles Katie to drive the bus to safety. Yeah. I'm going to give some to Frodo, you know. And again, the other lackeys, like the other goons, no one decides to just bring a gun, which would have made their jobs. Well, yeah, because they're clearly trying to kill him. They are absolutely trying to kill him. Yeah. Guns. No guns. Remember that though, Rags. Remember that. They are trying to kill him. They're making a very serious attack. They're making a very serious attempt at ending his life. Why not? Yeah. Then why ask him? Why not just kill him and take it? Oh, well, there's another reason why you need to remember that. All right. I was going to say, is there anything else about that scene with mentioning? I mean, there's some fighting in it that a lot of people loved. Yeah. A fighting I found enjoyable. That was good. It's good. It's fun. Because there hasn't been a good, like, combat thing in Marvel. It's probably the last in Phase 4. I'd say that. The fight with Death Dealer later on in the movie. Yeah. That's really cool. But this one, like, whenever Razor Fist gets involved, like, he's just like as big as he is. He's just slow and lumbering. Yeah. And it's like loads of slo-mo shots of the blade just going past Shang-Chi's head. And it's boring. But like, yeah. The sort of decently paced Kung Fu stuff is fine. But unfortunately, this film turns into sludge. So those mentally. What I was going to say is like, it's like, at this point with everything we described, there are loads of stuff. But I mean, it's like, it's not terrible. It's just a lot of shitty world-building. And this is, I was going to say, that's pretty much again, is that it for the for the bus? Well, yeah. And also, I want to say at this point, I was thinking Shang-Chi could potentially be an enjoying protagonist at this point in the film. I was like, perhaps there might be something here. But it does not go well after this point. And I do not get sold on his motivations or his desires. He doesn't strike me as a superhero by the end or someone who is invested in trying to help other people. From here on, he's just kind of dragged from plot point to plot point with no full agency in himself. It's a friendly couple of vote. Yeah. If he had gone from the kind of affable buffoon that he is, you know, initially, and then this scene on the bus just flips him into full on badass, you know, assassin, warrior mode. And from that point on, he was just kicking ass and he was in control of himself. Great. I would have been fully on board with that. But he kind of flips and flops between this and the dumb gullible kind of personality that he has at the beginning of the movie. Yeah, I agree. It's unfortunate. We can't have, like, because they really crank the silliness as well in Marvel all the time. We can't have like a stoic. Doctor Strange is like the closest we'll ever get probably now. But even he seems to be fucking around in the next movie he's going to be in. So who knows? Yeah. We can never have a hero. Yeah. Kind of. We can't have a Batman. They always need to say something funny or be awkward or snarky. Like you can never have somebody who is actually taking everything incredibly seriously all the time. Yeah, because I think Doctor Strange often does that and even like, whether it's fights or normal conversations, he'll be like domineering and this is serious end of the world stuff all the time instead of this whole like whoa. And I feel like that has to be deliberate, right? There's maybe a belief that they have to be more approachable and they're more approachable. Yeah. They're like kind of a goopster. So you don't end up with anybody who is just like. We're We're mentioning he loses the pendant. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So the whole fight scene happens. He beats the bad guys, saves all the people, but they lose the pendant and also cause a lot of damage. Yeah. Yeah, they destroy a lot of cars. But he does manage to give the bad guys the slip because it's like the buses in like two sections and I think it like cut in half. So like they're on one and the bad guys around another. And nobody really gets her into the bus. So there's that. You know, he's trying to help save people. All right. That's good. That's nice. So to connect us almost to that plane, right? He intends to go and see his sister because he knows now that being after the pendant means that they're probably going after her as well. I think is how he got sent. He got sent a letter. Oh, right. Postcard earlier from his sister and is it McCore? Is that how you pronounce it? Macau. Macau. Right. Yeah. What did that letter say specifically again? It was just the other dragon on it. Right. It's it. Ah, this is how weak this is how weak the connective tissue is in this movie to get you from like point A to point B. It's like a postcard basically. And that's the that's the thing that closes in that he has to go to find his sister and it literally tells him where he has to go. And if I remember correctly, there's no words on it. Right. There's just a dragon. The letter has the address on it with a dragon. Is that what it was? I think that. Yeah. So this is this is important then. Okay. Because it establishes something and he has no way of knowing that they haven't gone to his sister first and stolen her pendant already. It's just like trusting that they went to him first. There's no way to contact her without being person. Life hard. Yeah. Yeah. Like email her. The only thing because obviously that means he's going to be on a plane. So we're almost to where we were saying about where the exposition comes from. But the last thing I want to say is rags. You might be wondering why the fuck is Katie coming. Right. Like she's yeah. She's a civilian. She's just a valet. Yeah. I don't even I don't even know if she's a good one. She seems to be a bad valet. So she's pissed at him lying about all the stuff which you know. Okay. And she begins to leave the room and she's like you can explain all of your history to me on the plane. And then he's like wait Katie you can't come. And then she cuts him off and says you can explain on the plane. Sean. And then she comes on the plane. It's worth pointing out they're going to China and she doesn't even speak Chinese. Aside from the fact that she has no combat abilities no training. Yeah. Absolutely no skills of any use. She's entirely used. It's established guys. It's established one skill. She can drive because when they went on that joy ride. But everyone can drive. But this is like she was really fast. She was driving really, really fast and weaving through other cars and Shang-Chi was freaking out saying slow down. And so that means she can drive good. That's that's that's it. That's yeah. She's going to be able to the connective tissue. It's just that there's no fucking way she would come and it's like now she did okay. Yeah. All of this is it's like it's like in Black Widow it's the same degree of stupidity where it's like oh she's been sent like a package from her safe house in Budapest. So like she knows exactly where she needs to go after she's been attacked. Like it's just any other clues. When you when you break them up like that I honestly structurally Shang-Chi and Black Widow share a lot. In terms of just like like how they're their approach but I just think that it made way less sense even so in Black Widow. But it's because I think honestly him deciding to attack people to save the civilians did a lot for me. Oh man he cares about innocent people dying because they've really stopped doing that in the MCU like the average person getting rescued and being cared about. You remember when he because he shuffles all of the civilians from one part of the bus to the other before he separates them. It's like oh look look he cares about the I'm like when they when they get hooked up on the the other truck to slow down he like catches people before they fall out through the window. So yeah and meanwhile in Black Widow that guy gets killed by that giant APC and then just like care and give a shit. Is that strange though when you have you said he was trained as an assassin. Yes. So why is there any reason why he's not like just like his dad just as evil murderous assassin. That's a good question. You think after a lot of times conditioning and manipulation and brainwashing there might have been something there that made him an unbalanced individual but no he is he is perfectly you know quite well well balanced. Yeah you are emotionally adjusted. Yeah. Because I really agree with you guys like as much as someone can be like hey anyone can grow up even with conditioning and break it's like we don't really get to enjoy that sort of insight. That could have been her role. That could have been Aquafina's role is that she's like the normal human person and she's like yeah we could that karaoke is great and that's where he started you could use that scene to get him to break out of his assassin kung fu shell because maybe he wasn't allowed to have fun and have a normalish life in his I guess his existence as a as a fighter man. Yeah well imagine that was the dynamic and in this film he was this like damaged brooding kind of assassin that's you know done terrible things in his life tried to put past he's tried to move past it but then it's been resurfaced again and he's had to become that guy again and he's doubting who he is and you know he's really questioning whether he's a good man or not and she's has to help bring out that good side of him again wouldn't that be an interesting bit of character that would have been so much better and another thought I had is like when he was being trained and I won't spoil any of the things that he was sent to do and stuff but maybe that he got really afraid of this side of him that he realizes he has this side that is so much like his father that when he gets in that you know fighting mindset he just lashes out with uncontrollable rage and almost plub lust and scared him so much and that's why he tried to escape to escape that dangerous side of him that he doesn't want to fall into or let it control him and stuff there were things that they could have done in this film with the pieces they had available and they don't do any of it again it comes down to their desire to always keep that comedic light hearted tone and that's so out of step with the character and again those desires to tell a specific kind of story ahead of what you're writing your character to be he is so well adjusted he's just like Yelena where you're like how are you this normal you like fit in with everyone you get along with every like what is did they because I don't this is actually something I got I watched high tops by the way guys it's shocking I thought he liked a lot but he did not like this one one of his reasons which is like I would agree with him in essence maybe not with how he put it forward but you know this history that we've been telling about rags about him being like brought up hardcore training constantly because his dad is on a revenge mission to kill the people who came after the wife and so he's seems like would be easy to do if you have the 10 rings I think it's about finding them okay let's do it like yeah but meanwhile he's just like forcing his son to just grow up solely as like a soldier which is just like okay and like they give it across really intense to the point where he's doing another fight with death dealer and I think death dealer like wins and almost puts a knife in his eye it's just like damn it's pretty intense like a teenager I wonder what's gonna do to you and it gets interrupted halfway through because they're on an airplane a beef like the idea being how funny is that that we've got this really dramatic history of a child being like fully indoctrinated into a revenge sort of life but then you've got someone asking whether or not you want vegetarian or beef isn't that it honestly feels like it feels like the writers originally were going for this really serious story and they were halfway through this pitch of Shang Chi's background and then it's like on the table. And he's like, I don't hear anyone laughing. Yeah, we need more jokes, people. It's like that's where you have to slam in something like that. You know, it's so jarring and unnecessary. And it doesn't stop there because like they I think they both are vegetarian. And then she like walks over there. She says, Oh, actually, we're out of vegetarian. And then they go, Well, that's the punchline is like, do you want, you know, vegetable beef? And I think they asked for beefers like, Oh, we're out of beef. So funny. And like, because I high top was saying like he was getting invested in the backstory, and then they just cut it off with a beef joke. And then it sort of ends and you're like, huh. Oh, well, never mind then is just every time the I think the Marvel Universe will never be able to take anything seriously ever again, like they themselves rather than us. I mean, you just can't for risk of people not having their funsies out of it. Also, just on the note of him being so well adjusted, there is very little in the film that change. She actually expresses that he resented being trained like this by his father. There are other things that kind of come up where he says he was, you know, I regrets and stuff, and we'll talk about them as they come up. But I saw nothing that came up that made him feel like his father was torturing him and that he had a terrible childhood and that he didn't want this life or anything like that. And that makes the conflict in the end so lacklustre for me because it didn't seem like he was too bothered by. He kind of likes that he has these kung fu skills and and the conflict between him and his dad already is not being well established. And the whole film is trying to ride on that conflict for its payoff. Agreed. Nothing is properly set up. You could either go down the route you've described, which is great. Again, you get a great conflict because he's got a genuine grievance against his father or you could go down the opposite path where he's actually tempted to join him. He's tempted to listen to him because maybe his dad has instilled so much authority in him that he's compelled to obey him almost. And he has a real struggle to try and break that conditioning and be his own person. And that's what then turns them against him. And then they have their conflict and their fight. Either way, it would have been great. And it would be so much better than this weird wishy washy thing that you actually get where he's just like, yeah, I was trained to be assassin, but you know, I'm over that now. So let's just move on. We've been talking about this sort of thing since like fucking TFA had earlier, right? Like, they couldn't make him serious. They couldn't. He had to be a clown. It was like, why? With the history, you should be serious. It's like no cloud. OK. No, no details as well. They only like pay lip service to stories and histories. But yeah, that puts us firmly, I think, at the beginning of, I guess you could call this act two. I don't know how far we are in the actual timeline exactly, but they go to the place and they're about to see the sister. And do you guys remember why he signed something? I don't know. I think he just got the thing said. I can't remember if they lied to him. It was like an entry place. Yeah, you've got to sign it. Yeah, I think it was like you got to sign the entry book or something. Bullshit like that. And he just does it without question. So they go upstairs and it's a fight club. Yeah, there's so many things to criticise in this selection. It's going to be really hard to figure out how to explain chronologically what happens, but then also make sure we catch every sort of insane thing that we learn. But I think that's a good start. It's a fight club, the organization, I guess, the building, whatever that they're entering to find the sister is a secret. And that's the address, yeah. And it's the address that he had from the card that is going to. Yeah, yeah. And it's in like a skyscraper that's currently under construction. Yeah, it's a very strange location. I was like, OK. And so you love as well how the scaffolding, which reaches like a hundred stories tall outside, is all made of bamboo. I can I shit, you know, it's made of bamboo. Thank you. Yeah. It's all made of bamboo. I don't I don't understand a lot of all of it. But I think the the the the important thing, Rags, that you should remember is that the person who sent him that postcard knew the address where his sister was at. But that's something he believes the sister sent it at this point. But that's fine. As they're walking through Rags, they spot one of the title fights happening right now. And it's you remember abomination from the incredible Hulk from 2010, right? Nope. I. Is it eight? I don't. I thought I'm almost 2008. Yeah, but I think she incredible Hulk came out the same summer. Oh, did it? OK. But it was kind of a flop, actually. It was like 270 million, I think it may be, but they were able to kind of hush it up because Iron Man did so well. OK, well, so the big bad guy in that movie was basically evil Hulk. It's how you couldn't summarize it, but it's Tim Roth on steroids and he became a giant mutated super Hulk thing that Hulk beat. Yeah. But didn't kill. And so this is where he is. Yeah. And yeah. By the way, yeah, his opponent is Wong. You remember Wong, right? Yeah. He's Asian, so he has to be in this film. So Dr. Strange's panel from Dr. Strange. Yeah, OK, yeah. It's probably wrong. Now, why they are fighting. I don't think we get that, right? I'm sure we get that in. I mean, it's implied. It's kind of implied at the end for the fun. The training is like it's just like he was like good fight to to abomination at the end. And then I'm so confused. So I have so many questions about this. And then he opens the portal back into what looks like the raft, the prison that gets to stay in and and and abomination. Happily walks back into the next movie. Prison. I'm to get into prison. I'm so confused. No, you've got to look. You just got to be excited for the next product, all right? The next movie, all right? Stay tuned for abominations, adventures. A couple of people have said, by the way, bamboo scaffolding is apparently a thing over there. So maybe that's fair. Like I said, I don't know. I don't know enough about scaffolding to say one way or the other. I'm I'm I'm willing. I think that's right about scaffolding, but on a skyscraper that frigging high as they show in the movie. That's surprising to me. Yeah, it's like right in in in Macau, like it's. Yeah, you know, I would need to see a reference. Um, yeah, awesome. Seeing those two fight, right? Oh, I mean, I guess to because I can't. I because I know one. I don't remember abomination. Wong wins because he makes abomination punch himself with his portals, which is. Neat, I guess. It's the kind of stuff you're going to want to see. And it's like, yeah. But it was the thing I loved about a blink, I think her name was in X-Men. It's future past. Doing some clever use of portals, essentially. OK, I don't know if. And OK, I think I think I remember what you're talking about. Yeah. And so for me, I thought like abomination being featured in the trailer. There was going to be something significant about or anything like that, like maybe he would be involved in the plot a story, Shang-Chi would have to find him something. But he's there and then he's not. And that's it. It was literally just like a carrot. There's like dangling in front of like, hey, you remember abomination? He'd go, yeah, I love the carrot. That's it. Yeah. All we see was just to clarify for anyone else is that I think as people are walking through the areas, just Wong and abomination go through a portal into a different movie that we'll probably see them in later. So how exciting. Very exciting. Anyway, they tell Shang-Chi, it's like, well, you're up. And he's like, what? And they're like, yeah, you got you got yourself a fight, buddy. And he's like, no, no, no, I don't. And like, you signed the thing, you got a fight. And he's like, what? And they just sort of drag him away. And it all just sort of happens. And he just lets it happen. Like as if I would give a shit about a contract that I signed in a place like this, like, what are you going to do? He is a powerful guy, like he doesn't have to go. Oh, no, I hope they don't hit me. I better go. He's like, no, these are all. What do you mean? Stop it. And what the justification in the scene is that if you do this fight where you, you know, the context is you'll probably potentially die. We already saw some fights where serious blood was shed. So these are life-threatening encounters. But no, if you go do that, I'll help you find your sister. That's that's what convinces him. This is like, OK, then, sure. And oh, and the girl, his friend wants him to fight as well. She's like, go fight. Yeah, she encourages him to do it after she watches the enormous beast getting like nearly killed in front of her. She was like, yeah, go do it. I remember being like, you're not a good friend. She even places a bet against him in the fight. That was going to be something I was going to reveal a little bit later. But oh, sorry. It's fine. That's worth knowing in terms of it's part of why I don't like her very much. These are the reasons we'll get to. But she literally put a bet that he would lose the fight ranks in a place where you could easily die. Oh, because because that could mean you die. Yeah, meaning she encouraged him to go and fight and hopefully lose so that she could get money. Just yeah, it's funny. It's just like that's a question. I just laugh like I don't understand. I don't know why they would write that that way, because that's that's not a friendly thing to do. Really, that's a horrible thing to do. It's pretty hard. I learned about that after the fact. I'd be like, oh, you were not friends anymore. You know how people accuse the Marvel movies of having no real stakes? Well, at some point. Yeah, because they think again, they have such a backward understanding of how anything works that they think that that's a fun friend thing to do, like encourage your friend to almost kill themselves and bet that they almost will. It's like what was your war with such good friends? Like, OK, pretty tough. So, yeah, guess who he ends up fighting ranks? He. Oh, oh, and this is has they have they shown up before? Is it a new person? I guess so without giving too much away, I guess I'll say like you will have awareness of this person. And in some way, people form. If I was to I think if I give you more than that, it's probably going to give it away, but it would be fine. But the one thing I just wanted to make sure was said is a drinker shed. Is this random that he ends up fighting this person? Or is it planned? It's planned by the person. Yes, I think it was. Yes. By the person, they they wanted to fight him. Exactly. There was a certain, you know, action that they wanted to do specifically in this fight. All right, Rags, who do you reckon? Hmm, is not Marbles, Katie? Is it? So it's not the mom? Oh, she's I thought they were actually going to do a twist. So she's dead. She definitely died. She's dead. Oh, OK. Oh, no. I don't know. Someone he's looking for. Nightly whiplash. Do I fucking love it? It was from from from from the incredible Brendan Fraser film, Dudley do right. No, but I think that we do see them fighting in the background at one point. So it's a figure. Oh, that's amazing. That's really great. I don't know who they fight. It's his sister. Oh, my gosh, he's going to beat the shit out of her. Why is she here? Why? Why? How is she here? Why? What is her business here? What has she been up to? Well, so I guess. Remember, he's looking for her. We are looking for her. This is the address he believes her to be at. Because he sees come to warn her that she's in danger of like these guys come in and steal her pendant. Yeah, we will. We will get all of the context for that in a moment. I just want to make sure I'm in danger in a place like this. We'll go over it just a second. I just want to say they do have their fight rags. Who wins? Oh, she does. Of course she does. And everybody's ever watched this film is like, huh? She specifically kicks him in the balls in the fight just for good measure, too. Yes, you know, guy and girl is. And do you want to know why she's so good at fighting? That's actual assault to kick a man in the balls. Maybe, you know, I think, I think, like, it's a pretty low blow, dirty thing to do, you know, like, and it's specifically targeted at a guy for being like, you know, I can get it. That's awfully, that's an awfully gendered move. I mean, imagine if he had done that to her. Kick her in the balls. Yeah. Well, in the groin. Yeah, I think they're in the tendering. I believe it's called a clam slam. Is that the correct term? I'm sorry. Hearing Shad say clam slam is great. But maybe we should get some speculation from Rags Fist. How did she beat him? What could possibly be the reason? Maybe maybe she's a super soldier, right? Oh, winter soldier serum. Mom trained her in secret. Not not. You know, it was that's that's better than what it is. What if I know it's better than what it is? Let's see. So if the mom didn't train her in secret, because I was thinking, oh, maybe the dad was like, no, only the first born son, he shall learn how to fight because that's how Chinese people talk. And so then, you know, he trained your or he trained him and then the mom was like, oh, yeah, well, I remember I beat you inexplicably. So I'm going to have to train the daughter. And so they do that. And then everyone's like, oh, my God, how did you learn how to fight? He's like, my mother, she told me to. And then as she explains the story, you have a little bit of a montage of her beating wood and kicking balls and stuff. As someone in chat just said, Rags, you got to think stupider. Think stupider. She watched YouTube videos. Think, think, I want to I want to give it to him. I feel like he got it. What? Really close enough. Even that would still have been better. That would have been. Yeah. I still feel better enough. We got. I want to give him a trophy if I need. OK, she she had a. Because if we have to go less than watching from YouTube videos and learning that way, the only thing less than that would be like just making shit up yourself and inexplicably becoming a cunt. There we go. You know, it's a cross. It's a cross between those two, I think, is fair to say. Because the ultimate truth, Rags, is that we find out in the context of him being taught all this stuff by death dealer, his dad doing all these horrible, hard things. She was always in the corner watching. And then in her time, shit. And then in her time, she would repeat what she saw. So and from memory and do it better. Yeah, she taught herself better by looking at people. So she watched him being trained with the trainer. And just by watching them, she was able to become better than him. Become better than him. It's like how I learned to drive just by like watching my dad drive the car. And I didn't need any lessons or anything. I didn't just train her to. If she was always just sitting there staring at him. I guess nobody cared about what she was doing with her whole life. I know it wasn't. It wasn't it wasn't a reason given. It wasn't a sexism thing. It was because she reminded him of her mother too much. And he couldn't bear to see her die or something. Painful to look at her because she reminded him of his dead wife. That absolutely. Why? Well, did his looking at a son not remind him of all the horrified men that he slaughtered over the centuries of conquest? No, they're fine. OK, that's right. So this is where I mean, like there's so much stuff in this movie that is just so shittily written. But yeah, she's she's so now she beats him and then he's like, wait, I got to tell you about why I'm here and all the stuff's going on. So we get the full context of what's going on here. Right. She I think we get this a little bit later, but I think we can we can talk about it now. It's like what happened between those two, right? Now, what happened is. I mean, well, to do that, we'll have to do a little bit more as well. So like I'm assuming you guys think it's probably right at this point to talk about why Shang-Chi left his dad, right? Probably. Yeah, I mean, we kind of need context. It's revealed a bit later, like in the film where they're sitting down with his friend. He reveals the reason what he did and and the reason it's weak. But yeah, well, I mean, you can do it if you want it, like why what happened between the dad training him and him being a valet? What what happened? No, I mean, I mean, I mean, you can speculate if you want. Oh, oh, oh, I already already had a good session. So OK, yeah, what's what's your guess? So this is after the mom dies? Yes. Yeah. Now, after all the training, all the training after all the training, why how did he get from a assassin trained kung fu man to being a valet? Did he learn about his father's real past and he was disgusted with his horrible behavior? And so he left out of disgust. No, in context, he already knew about all of that. OK, all right. And he was and he was see me. And supposedly he was fine with it. Like Shang-Chi never actually voices any true, I guess, some disagreements with his father's past. And in fact, he's watched his father brutally kill multiple people. Here he might perfectly fine with it, seemingly. Um, did his father hit his sister? No. Ah, did he? Did he say baseball wasn't boring? He may have. We don't know if not for that. That wouldn't prompt us to help. I have no idea. So kung fu training is all done. You have to correct me on some of the finer details more if I go wrong. But I won't do the big spoiler. But basically, father reveals that he has discovered or finally found the people, the leader, the main guy who murdered the mother. And then he is sending Shang-Chi on a mission to go kill that person. Yeah. So I'm sorry. Say that one more time. He and she. OK. Yeah, was sent by his father. OK, assassinate the person that killed his mother. OK, so this was going to be Shang-Chi's first mission in the fields. It was like his own room and himself to his father. Wow, what a mission to prove yourself. Yeah. And it's a. I think I would have done it. OK, OK. I believe in this point in the film, it's the film establishes that instead of doing the mission, he uses the opportunity to just run away and leave. But why? Well, he's a question. According to Shang-Chi himself, he couldn't go through with it. This is what he tells us at this point in the movie. Like he just didn't have the stomach to kill. Yeah, he couldn't go through with killing the guy. And he just said, fuck this. I'm I and just run away killed a lot of people to this point. But of all, but this guy deserves it. Well, well, well, hold on to that. Hold on to it. Yeah. The reason you needed that was because the sister says that when he left, she waited for him. I think for six years, and then she was like, and then I decided, fuck you, I don't need you. And then she did her own thing and she left herself on her own. She decided to leave. And at the age of 16, start and maintain a highly successful underground fight club. Sixteen. Well, on the ground, it's very above ground, actually. It's incredibly above. It is. I believe she was speaking metaphorically underground. I guess I guess I guess now I would imagine that's true. I just find it very funny that this underground fight club is very high above the ground. Just amusing to me. And it's not hard to see either, is it? Because it's like that's the last place that you would look for an underground fight. So maybe that is big. Man, she's so smart and talented. She taught herself. She you see, she watched her father teach someone else entrepreneurship. And so she watched that and she she learned it. And then she taught herself to be a businessman way better. Yeah, well, let's think about all the things she did. She passed master. Well, maybe she is. She's got away with it. Yeah, I guess it's just when you start lining up all the things she did. Chongxi had to be trained by people. She trained herself and is better. Chongxi had to be taken to a different country to then use that as a means of escaping. She escaped on her own from like a mountain compound without any help at all. And Chongxi is a valet driver. And she's like doing this massive fight club that makes money. They make sure we understand that she did it at age 16. It's insane. Yeah, I know she is better than our protagonist in every possible. If it's not an underground place, then it's a legitimate business. How did she feel like the paperwork and everything for that? Let's not even let's not. So she saw her dad signing a document once and she saw herself like all this all taxed. She had to do it. Rags, what are the quotes from her is I built this place on my own. I didn't need you then. I don't need you now. Yeah, like, oh, she does. So when she runs this place, but she participates in fights where she'll die. Well, she's that good. I don't know if she does that on a regular basis. But just to be at a kick at her brother in the balls. So yeah, I think she's just. Yeah, this is. Oh, no, because it didn't say that she was happy that her brother got out. Yeah, I said she was the champion. So she actually. Oh, that's right. Yes, she does. And she's the champion, too. Of course. Holy fuck. She's just a girl movie. Dude, it is you go girl energy all over it. It's insane. Like she's she's also going to stick up her ass. So it just makes it really hard to listen to it. It's completed a perfect round picture because they make her one of the most obnoxiously stuck up A-hole characters in the whole movie. Like we're going to reach one of the big A-hole moments where she's just a loathsome jerk and it's like. I guess it's it's one of those issues of POV, right? It feels unfair to so harshly criticise when she was like 14 or 15 when he left that he couldn't come. Like you were judging him incredibly harshly for what was a quite a difficult situation for him. And so it's really exactly. And she was well, this is what I mentioned. And when I reviewed this, right? It's like he shows up out of nowhere in her fight club after not having seen him for like 10 years. She doesn't wait to get any kind of explanation for what happened to him, like why he didn't return. Maybe he ran into completely unforeseen problems. Maybe he was in prison. Who knows? Why is he here now? Maybe he's got some really important things to tell her that she should probably listen to it. It's like, nah, I'm just going to waste as much time as possible by like kicking him in the balls and fighting him and insulting him and bragging about how awesome I am. Like this is just the worst kind of like character decisions imaginable. And he didn't even want to fight her. So it's like, man, you're making a real and then she abandoned him later on. But yeah, like when because isn't the fight interrupted at the end after he gets beaten down, though, that there's an explosion and the place gets under attack because. So we have. Oh, yeah, we're up to that part, aren't we? Because she beat him and then they have the conversation. And then she says like, he's like, I got this letter, you know, from you and she said, I didn't send a letter. It's like, oh, no, who didn't? And then, yeah, there was like, oh, oh, there's something going on outside. People are getting in. There's bad guys coming to get us. And then she abandoned him like she she leaves. And I think she locks. She don't lock him in the room, but she takes like a letter. But this is like her place, right? She's the grand champion. Yeah, but the the 10 rings, they're coming. They're here to get it like. And oh, the 10 right. They want her back. The the game. They want the father's gang. It feels weird. The underground fight club with these levels of powerful people are all just like great security. Yeah, the security is pathetic. They get taken over like in a second. Dude, abomination fights here. Like, yeah, you know, I have good security and it's like people and the Black Widow. We saw like a Black Widow agent fighting us. An extremist dude. Yeah, it's like there's a lot of powerful people in this place. So also something that I find there's a lot of powerful people and a Black Widow. Oh, that's true. I'm pretty sure that when I was beating the extremist dude, though, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The context of the reveal that when it's like, I didn't send you a letter in the context of that scene is like, Shang Chi, you're such an idiot. You led them right to me. That's the context. As if that's an obvious mistake. But the thing is that letter was sent to him by the father, which meant she's a legitimate business. She's in the phone book. Well, look, so if the context is that, yeah, if the context is that Shang Chi led the father to where the sister was, the father was the one that sent Shang Chi the letter with her address on it, which meant he knew where she was in the very beginning. And so it wasn't his fault at all. Yeah, exactly. Well, so there's a lot of things going on there. So you sent the letter to Shang Chi to get him to go to the sister, which means that you know Shang Chi's address and you know the sister's address. You know where both of them are. You know where they live. You sent them letters. What? Yeah. So first of all, you tried to get Shang Chi while he's in San Francisco. I sent people letters in 2024. Oh, so there's that. So there's this is clearly a mentally unstable person. But anyway, like they send they go to get Shang Chi in San Francisco. They try to capture him there. Why? What does the letter achieve at this point? Like you just want to get him or you're trying to kill him, actually. And you want to get dependent. Why would you need to lead him? And then that's the second question. Why would you need to lead him to a location that you already know of? That makes no sense. This is where the script tries to really awkwardly explain that because they obviously thought of the same problem. And it's like, shit, we need an explanation for why the first like hour of this movie actually happened. And the father's explanation is basically I needed to know if you could fight. That's like I said, because I needed to know if you could defend yourself. That's literally his explanation for the whole thing. Well, the line, I think he says, why is that they fighting Shang Chi? I thought he he needed to see if Shang Chi needed to fight or wanted. It's like he's testing to see if he's still got it after being like out of the game for 10 years or whatever. And because ultimately what he wants is for Shang Chi to join him. Again, yeah, which again, it's stupid because he ran away for a reason. Yeah. And you I don't know what the reason is, though. So no one does reasoning is nonsensical because the dad ultimately wants his children to join the 10 rings again. And so it seems like his plan then to get his son onto his side is to send people to try and kill him. Yeah, that's going to make your son like you. You frigging moron. Also, I'm so idiot. Can I also say, Rags, like ultimately, he doesn't really need either of his children to join him. What he really needs is their pendants. Maybe it's sentimental that like he now wants his kids to be. Well, this is this is like the Vitali Versace film born into mafia where the father wants his son to run the family business, because maybe he doesn't trust anybody else. I feel like the only thing who knows what it's going to be, Rags. There's only so much you can say without giving away the whole rest of the plot. And I guess I don't want to jump ahead too much. I mean, there's something he could do quite easily that would probably win them over if he waited until he'd done it and then approach them from his point of view anyway. But like, I guess we'll get to that. Well, Chad brings up an interesting question. Is this a film about family? Yes, it's kind of trying to be that. Yeah. Yeah. The dynamics and the real yeah, the dynamics of the relationship between these people is so horribly established is that the the emotional payoff they're going for just is pathetically flat at the end. And we're seeing all the issues already here. Like, what is the dad really want? He's wanting their son, the children to join him on their side again. But he also wants their pendants. And if he wanted them to join his side, maybe trying to kill them is a bad plan to do that. You could have just rocked up. Yeah. If someone tried to kill me, I wouldn't cooperate with them. Yeah. I mean, I think really what he could have done is just approach them and like, I need your pendants for a couple of days. Like, I'll get them right back. And the reason the reasons he have for wanting the pendants is there is something that the children would probably be quite convinced in. It's like, oh, if I give you the pendant, it might lead to this. OK, I have my issues with you, but that probably would convince me to rejoin, you know, the compound. I don't speculate in while avoiding information you can't use because we just wait for the father to turn up and we can talk about all this. He's not. We're just so excited to talk about this. Why doesn't he just show up and say, hey, son, it's me? Well, listen, we're all both in there. Yeah, because we were up to the part where it's like, oh, no, you led this, you led him right to us. And the sister of Ben and she literally leaves him to die. She's like, yeah, we're under attack. See, yeah, have fun. You can die and I'm going to leave. She abandons her business in her fight thing. Yeah, basically, that's true. And she has systems in place to defend it, either. She just sort of leaves. No, she just runs away. But then she's like, oh, shit, well, we're fucked. Like, so he likes the window. It's like, all right, let's go on to the bamboo scaffolding. Let's go. Like, this is our early way out and then a massive fight issues on the bamboo scaffolding. Yeah, everybody was fighting. Yeah, you're fun. Absolutely not. Fun back and forth, fighting stuff. I have things I want to say about it. I'm assuming everyone does what I will. Those chat have already heard it. So Aquafita screams in this seat a couple of times. And it's really funny. She's like, no offense. One thing I did like and I don't think it was that deliberate on the part of the writers, but I still like it was that when she's in peril, she shouts out for Sean, not for Sean, because she's known him as Sean for the 10 years. Good. Yeah. Good that she says that, not the other, because that is what you would do in a moment of panic with someone whose name you've known for that long. That way. Yeah, sure. Can you can you really tell with her voice? Honestly, I wasn't 100 percent sure, but she calls him Sean again later for sure. And I was like, OK, I'm pretty sure she's calling him Sean throughout the film. And this has to be deliberate. That has to be. Mm hmm. I don't know how much that's worth. But like something, you know, yeah, it's tiny. But it's just, you know, it reminds me of the whole like, Calel, it's like, stop calling him Calel. You forget to shut up. That is. He's clogged. You know, Calel, fuck you. Um, but yeah, I know that this fight is incredibly dangerous as rags. You just got to understand this fight is so perilous. Well, you talk about bamboo scaffolding and stuff like that. Seems to do just the amount of people falling off and dying. It's like, dude, it's pretty crazy. I want to find out there. So she can lose the step and die and plummet to his death. Like that could happen at any moment. And Greg, do you want to guess the weapons that the bad guys are using in this fight? Oh, I'm going to go with quarterstaffs. Close. They're actually like Nagi Nadas. No, no, they're sci-fi versions of Chinese hook swords. Because they hook onto the bamboo to like swing around and stuff. I guess it doesn't cut the bet. Would that not cut the bamboo? I guess the inside isn't sharp. The inside isn't sharp, right? It would electrified kind of. They're like, but of course, no guns anywhere. If any of them had a gun, they just point at Shang-Chi on the bamboo is like surrender, you'd be screwed. You'd be able to do nothing. But no, no, no. It's terrorist organizations. They have abandoned guns. They're very progressive. Unfortunately, Shang-Chi is unable to save Aquafina from falling and we have to accept that she's about to fall to her death, nothing to be done. One of the few moments in this movie where I was genuinely excited, like, yeah, she's going to die. She's falling to her death, nothing to be done. It's all over. And then the sister grabs her. Grabbed her. Oh, she came back. It's it's honestly bizarre. It's like, did you plan to be down there? Grab this person. But rags for perspective. She falls like a good four to five stories before she gets. Yeah, the momentum is going to hurt. Yeah, like that, like her shoulder is going to be dislocated to fuck. There's no way it's coming off. That's going on. It's going to it's going to yank you off before it yanks your arm off. Oh, yeah, true, true, actually. Yeah, you're going to go down with her. If you grab her, yeah, you're going down. If you have you hold on, you're going down. You have committed to an action that you should not have. I mean, were we talking about this before where it's almost like they couldn't allow Shang-Chi to rescue her? Like it had to be a woman that saved her or something. He nearly saves her, but then he gets tased and then the sister gets it. I think it's one of those things of like, see, she's a good person. Yeah, it's there is deliberateness. There's like, look, she's not evil. She's definitely on our team. She's a good guy. Like, OK, fine. It's just that I wasn't sold on that at all because in the fight when Shang-Chi asked her, why did you come back? Or, you know, why did you leave if you came out? Something like that. Her answer was, so you knew. So you know how it feels. It's like, oh, like, man, you are so. You could have died so many times. Exactly. Well, yeah. You're kidding me. I think she says at one point, did America make you soft? It's like the fuck. What does America have to do with being so I don't. So like so he's like, yeah, I decided to not live a life of horrible crime and death. So it's just it's just funny. Bruce Brown is pretty American. Let's have the Hulk punch her and then see if she says that again. She beat the Hulk. She would be the Hulk. It wouldn't be hard. She she thought she watched people fight. She knows that she can beat the Hulk. But yeah, then we end up getting the first proper scene for death dealer who's like, oh, my goodness. Top notch fighter for this sort of the bad guys opens a fight like a bomb is like throwing knife bombs. I think is what they are. They stick to glass windows and they can stab into things and blow up. It looks cool, moves fast. And I think the fight between him and Shang-Chi and this like part of the film is probably the best part of the film. I would say so. You can tell that they're both good fighters because like it's long, continuous takes. You don't have constant switching of cameras. Well, he's a martial artist, right? That's yeah, he's a stuntman. Yeah, yeah. And it and it shows because, yeah, you're right. Like they have long shots where we get to actually see and thank fucking God. And there's cool camera where they pan above as the knife is knocked out of death dealer's hand and flips all the way up into the air at the camera and then back down one of the wraps. It sort of thing. Lighting of the scene is really cool because you've got like the neon spilling into the into the area. Yeah, no, death dealer is really cool. Unless you say it's really cool. We don't get an ending to this fight. We don't get to see who would have won. And it's going to be a great little it's the kind of thing you see in a movie like I can't wait for them to have their fight in the final act. However, that's going to go, you know, he's the mini box. Cool, because he is about to stab. He's he's almost won Shang-Chi the fight. And before he considers stabbing and he has a flashback to all of the like torture slash training of his life from death dealer. So there's a personal connection there too. And like then he goes, I think he goes to commit to kill him. But then he's he's pulled off before the fight can end. And yeah, I think I remember being I think I remember being surprised that he was going to go for the death blow. He's actually going to commit to it and kill this guy. And I was like, oh, maybe the show has balls. Yeah, this is this is the one little glimmer of like Shang-Chi having a darker side. And you think, oh, wow, this is they're going to start to take him down this path where he's going to be conflicted between the light and the dark. That could be something. I feel like death I feel like death dealer is a pretty valid target to kill. Well, that that's why it's super interesting. You can do something with this. Yeah, because I'm like, yeah, because if he killed death, death, death dealer, right? It's kind of like, yeah, man. Yeah, then I'd be like, yeah, it's a totally valid target to kill this guy. Yeah, fucking fucking do it. Yeah. I guess. But that's the thing is, is like when we have this character who has kind of been a bit scattershot in terms of who he is and what he wants. This is something that's a little more concrete and interesting and not watered down or sanitized. Yeah, like I can't kill you, even though you're a horrible assassin and you're going to come back for me and kill my family or myself later. I feel like exactly you can do. You can have a matter of like, well, why am I doing this? Like, what are my motives to kill this guy? Because that might be more relevant than the action itself that you commit to. There's something here. And hopefully we'll see some more really cool conflict with death dealer going forward in this film. But not right now. It's interrupted. Yeah, OK, all right. I got you. OK. The the I guess the the dad turns up and he's like, I told my man they wouldn't be able to kill you if they tried. It's just like really got close, man. They got so close to killing him like on some occasions. If any of them bothered to use a gun, they would have. Exactly. And maybe that's why they didn't use a gun. Isn't this a tremendous waste of resources as well? Like, even if you're 100 percent confident that your your men will fail, why send them on a mission? You know, they're going to fail. And then potentially how many men died? But it's actually seems that's what. Well, well, if death dealer, if he doesn't agree with the boss in terms of they'll be able to succeed, but he is the boss. So he does it anyway to make sure that the men can do it. Like, if the men can't kill Shang-Chi, then he's supposed to finish the job, I guess. Well, that's that's not what's happening, because he don't want to kill Shang-Chi at all. He really doesn't. Yeah, I guess the dad doesn't because he went. It's a very confusing plan. It really really weird. And if the dad just wanted to test to see if he could still fight, he could have done it himself and not sent all of his men to die. Yeah, you have 10 rings as a backup just in case, but you could have fought it with like your hands and legs. And yeah, this absolutely feels like they wrote the first hour of the movie, having no understanding of how they were going to justify it. And then later on, they tried to come up with an explanation for why it all happened. And this is what you get. This weird convoluted plan that doesn't make sense. Also, I'm glad you said it was an hour because it's not. It's 45 minutes. Like what's reached this point? You're not even halfway. This is the first act. Oh, my goodness. I thought this would be like the end of the second act. It's not. I was so when I was watching it, I was like, dude, we are fucking flying. We will just I realize in a good in a good way or a bad way. No, not in a good way. It might have been good if you could keep up the pacing, but like we are heading for some really long drought. Yes. Oh, yeah. OK. All right. So I supposed to get it like the idea is that the dad is like, hey, I need your pendants because they give me access to the pathway into the forest where I believe. I don't think I'm supposed. This is literally what he says. Are you guys going to help me out? I think he said this. He's like, I believe your mother is trapped behind some kind of magical wall thing in the area in the forest. And I need to get there to free her with your help, hopefully. How did she get there? Yeah, considering he also saw her dead body on the ground, like it's a bit weird. It wasn't like she didn't just vanish one day. She literally got killed and he found her dead body. But now he still believes that she's alive and she's behind the magical door in this magical fairytale land that he can only get to with the by going through the forests to get there. But he doesn't even need these pendants to get through the forest because he made it through by himself the first time back in the nineties. And that's not even considering that he could just fly over it in a chopper or whatever. So that's the the justification. The logic is, well, with these pendants, I'm going to put these in these little dragon eye slots. And then this crazy water map, like this magic water map, it's pretty insane in terms of just on magic, like like using full on magic. Yeah, basically full on magic. And so that reveals a map of the forest and how like, oh, see, the trees move and that blocks the path. But on this particular day of this, it's it's it's it's some kind of Chinese holiday or something. Oh, the tree new year. Something like that. And and yeah, on this one day, the path is opens and becomes really easily accessible. That's why he needed the pen. Why, though? So that he can go in. Oh, why does it? I don't know. Yeah, yeah, like why? Like, you know how like bad guys will have all the traps and stuff to keep you from getting in, but there's like an obvious like, oh, just time it right and then go instead of just making sure there's no gaps to walk through with the swinging blades or whatnot. I don't know. That's just how the forest works. It opens up becomes accessible just one day every three years. The question I am wondering as well is like, you know, that this map that's just like a waterfall kind of thing that moves on the floor for a few seconds and then it just falls to the ground. How the fuck does that translate into like geographical coordinates on the ground like for real? You know, how would you be able to look at that and think, oh, right, cool. I need to go in at this particular point and I need to turn left here and right here and go for like 500 yards this way. Like it's literally just a map. Yeah, because the map needs to be like a and if the the place is changing, there needs to be some like temporal element to when I go or it only works in this one specific place. It's like a temple or something. It puts the you put the dependence into this dragon statue. It makes the waterfall map thing appear for a few seconds and then it just falls away. And that's it. I can't take it with you or anything like that. Oh, no, it's your worthless map, like in terms of usability. There's no scale. You know, I don't wear your phone out and hit record. That's what it takes place to do, yeah. And that'd be really hard because it's water and water is like transparent. So it's kind of hard to see what was there anything you guys remember the only thing being said about the statue doesn't if you get adopted. Is that transparent? So nothing is just on all this question. Nothing's established. How the mother made this map like sorry. We'll get to your question, Rags, but it wasn't a question. It wasn't a question. Well, I guess it was sort of a question, but it wasn't like a question question. It was more like it's fine. It was more like a kind of question. Yeah, it was like it was a joke that was framed as a question that wasn't meant to be answered, except in laughter. It wasn't like you just you kind of saved it for me at the end there. Yeah, well, that had to go into extra innings. That one right there was a good one. I was happy with that, Joe. And now it's up to Shad to rebuild the momentum. Shad, you may proceed. OK, I shall. So nothing was established about a statue, how the mother made it. She was supposedly lost her powers when she left the magical bullcrap village. And and so like it's so strange. She still had magic to make this weird map. And all the father says is that, you know, the mother had died, but she left clues or she left messages or something like that. Somehow the father found out or figured out that this statue, the mother, the maid has this magical map that if he puts the pendant, the mum gave the children and all the map will come out. It's just so bizarre on so many levels. And so I'm just left with these questions of how why nothing is following through naturally is in this would logically lead to this next step. And this would logically lead to this next step. And this is how it all makes sense. And then on top of all of this, the dad, like he just suddenly believes and knows the mother is still alive. And, you know, just like Trinker was pointing out before, he saw the mother die. Her dead corpse. I'm assuming he buried her and like that. Truly, I knew you'd say it. I knew it. I knew you'd say it. Go ahead, Shaq. Keep going. Fine, fine, fine. All right. You think the first thing you would do if you see, you know, start to suspect that your deceased wife would be alive would just be the double check. Well, yeah, like this could be a trap or something trying to confuse me. Maybe look, I'll even go as far to exhume her grave just to make sure she's still there and I'm not being tricked in. Oh, I thought you meant like put the grave on the computer. And like, well, actually, might be work go ahead, actually. Well, I was going to say as well, like he the only reason he believes all of this is because he's heard her voice in his head. Tell him, yeah, I was about to come and rescue me. I'm strapped behind a door thing. You wouldn't you just think that's that's really suspicious? I'm not sure if I trust this. So first instinct of like, fuck, I've got insane damage. The other thing, right, is that why does he wait? Why is he waited 10 years to put this plan into action? Because he mentions at one point that he gave his children 10 years to see what they could make of their lives. So he's presumably known where they were this whole time. And he's presumably heard these voices this whole time, but he's left them alone for reasons unknown to just do what they want. Now, he is immortal because he's got the 10 rings, but his children and his wife or not, they age these people. And so he's if if this is right and he believes that she's trapped, he has left her trap for 10 years, like languishing in whatever prison that she's in in his mind. And only now is he going to go rescue her. And there's no reason why he's waited so long to do this. Because he can go through the magic bullshit for us like once a year. I don't remember. Do they tell us when he first started hearing hearing the voices? I think it's been a while. Do you remember later in the because there was this kind of jumping ahead later in the film, Michelle, like, Joe says, oh, has he been hearing the voices since he put the rings back on? Now, seemingly that has no relevance at all. Like the fact that you're right. I don't know what I don't know what the causal link is between wearing the rings and hearing the voice. But that's what they said. And if that's the case, just to jump on that for you. Yeah, go for it. So you're right for you. But just on that, maybe we should address when it comes up. But yeah, when she says, you know, has he been hearing the voice since he put the rings on is like, I think Shane, she says, yes. How? And then she says, let me explain. And she does not explain it at all. No, she doesn't. Completely different explanation for a different thing. And she doesn't explain how the voices are connected to the rings anyway. I was very confused. The presumed reason is because the thing that's controlling these voices knows that the rings are the only force that's capable of breaking down the doorway. But yeah, why? I feel like a tactical note would be like, drive a tank into it or something that probably do the trick. Yeah, we jump in the head out. Yeah, we got that. We got that. So yeah, what if Iron Man wanted to do that or something? I feel like he could probably smash it. Oh, absolutely. Dude, Captain Marvel, she'd blow right through that thing. Like it's gone. Yeah, because trees aren't like that intimidating because, you know, he just hit it as a tree. Look at those fuckers. It's kind of amusing to think about. It's kind of amusing to think I'm just now thinking Captain Marvel like kind of ruined stakes because she's so powerful. I'm just like if she could beat the thing at the end of this movie easily, she could be all of it. Yeah, they're just going to have to constantly have her be like, oh, I need to go. There's another planet that needs me. So the trees on this planet need me. Rewinding a little bit, though. He is there is a something he's going to say that will set up something we're going to get to very soon in terms of little clues. But he says at the little dinner party when he's got them over. You know, actually, it's like some years ago, a terrorist needed a boogeyman and appropriated my 10 rings. He chose the name Mandarin. He chose the name of a chicken dish. I don't really like. Wait, what is it? Mandarin is a is a form of a whole like. But like what a stupid way to look at words. There's lots of name of a chicken dish. I pointed out how he belittled, you know, the Mandarin title. And there were people replying in my comments saying it really didn't make sense because it's actually got a lot of respect in history behind the term Mandarin, and that is perfectly appropriate for the name of like, you know, some person they wanted to adopt it. That's a lack of research. Then I would assume on the part of the writers to not find out why. Like, oh, it sounds like a fruit. It's like, yeah, but there's probably a reason why they chose it. You know, like, I doubt they were like, ah, that kind of orange thing. What a great name for our villain. If they were like a curry dish called dragon fury, that I'm like, it's a fucking name of a food that you named self dragon. You know, like, I mean, it's the name of a lot of things. Like, why would you say it like that? I don't know. It's weird to say like, oh, you named it after a dish. It's like, is the language that you speak not Mandarin? It's like, why are you making fun of your own language? But to clarify, though, I think the reason it's all that is they're trying to humiliate Iron Man 3, like at least that portion of Iron Man 3. They're like, fuck that Mandarin. I'm the real deal. You're like, OK, I mean, no, this is just the whole like, you know, this is the whole this is just the whole cultural appropriation argument just thrown into a movie without any real context. Is it what I was so people can just so people can feel good about it. It's it's Marvel. It's Marvel just trying to say, look, we're doing so much better now. Praise us. I guess. But it feels like it feels like you just put insulted. Yeah, and it feels like they insulted a whole culture with by doing that. Like Mandarin is the name of the language. Yeah, well, it's like it's like clumsily trying to do it, but causing more problems along the way, I suppose. And that is tunnel vision right there that you're so like, you're like, oh, that's a fruit like Mandarin's a fruit. It's like, oh, yeah, that's all it is, guys. It's a fruit, a tangerine. OK. I wanted to mention as well at this point in the movie, I was starting to think about just the acting in general. And I was like, well, Shang-Chi's dad is like the only person that's really convinced me. A lot of his like he's great. He's a good actor. Yeah, he's got he's got kind of authority to him. I'll give him that. Simu Liu or Liu himself. I remember being like, man, really not feeling it with a lot of his more emotional stuff, very, very bland and kind of area, isn't it? Yeah, wasn't wasn't getting gripped at all. But I was with his dad, especially the dad describing the story. Really? Yeah. The dad did not land for me at all. He felt so weak and just like like a wet rag for the whole thing. He like when he was angry, I didn't feel any menace or threat from him in any measure. I think there's a difference between the writing and the performance, I guess, with this. Yeah, yeah. I think the actor does the best with what he can. I will say it might we might be having the issue of we brought this up for Kang, not quite what I was expecting for the history this character has at all. And I don't necessarily feel that, but I still feel like he's trying to push put forward emotions that I can detect. That is my place. It feels like it feels like if it was somebody else, it could have been a lot worse in terms of the interpretation of the material, even if the material ain't great. I think that would be the qualifier. Like I liked when he was talking about stuff on screen. Like I preferred seeing what he was up to rather than the heroes. You know, I would have loved a bit more out of this character. It's just some sense of his age. You know, this is a guy who's been around for thousands of years. Like, can you imagine how like weary of the world you would be after all of that? Yeah. You know, like just some kind of sense of like what he's seen and what he's experienced and like that that kind of impact that that's going to have on your psyche. Because like presenting a character who's supposed to be super old, who's been around for this long. But oh, this is kind of like the Bertali Versace film, The Last Vampire, where you have the the main character who's portrayed as someone who's thousands of years old. But the but but he just seems like some idiotic kid who isn't aged or or learned or educated or has anything insightful to say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like the amount of people that he must have known and probably cared for to some extent in his life and they've all like gotten old and died. Like that's again, going to take a toll on you as a person. But I can believe that Elrond was there three thousand years ago. You know, yeah. I mean, this guy just kind of like he just seems like a regular person for the most part. Like he the way he interacts with people is just like you would expect from any guy of his age that was just born in the 20th century. Like it's it's there's nothing. Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't make you right. This crazy background that he's got and it feels like such a waste. He feels like he's his age. The actual actor's age like 50 or something rather than a thousand. Yeah. Or maybe a little bit older. But it's like, yeah, you because it feels like his history only really begins in the nineties when he had his family. But he has a lot of history. Yeah, a lot. Yeah, like that. I feel like you could be playing around with something of like, I'm a dude who you killed my my dad like when I was five years old. And now I'm 70 and you're still like the same person. You could you could do something with that. But but I feel like that. Yeah, that's tough. That's tough for the right. But you know, that's your job. Um, but yeah, they they say no, right? They say no, they don't want to do it. They don't want to do this crazy plan so they get imprisoned. Oh, my goodness. This is this is a very less interpretation of in prison, by the way. Just to jump on this, right? The kids so far, like they're all on board. They're like, OK, go to the village, save our mum. That seems all right. And then it's like, and if they don't let us get to the mum, we will destroy them. And they're like, oh, hang on, we don't want to destroy them. You must be a bad person now. And then it's like, if you won't join me, you'll be imprisoned. Yeah, it's very cartoony. Now, again, Rags, I'm going to ask you a question on this one. Like if you have got two children who are highly trained assassins, like adept in the arts of escape and evasion, sneaking into fortified compounds, they can take out security. They are they are the best of the best. And you've trained one of them yourself, you know, and you have to put them under guards. You know, you've got to imprison them. What kind of situation would you put them in there? Like how much resources would you devote to that? I mean, probably a bunch. I just put them in a I just shackle them with iron chains to the wall in a dark room. That's just a concrete box with an air hole at the top. And they have to be iron doors with big bars. And I'd have the key and I'd eat it. So if I ever needed to free him, I'd have to poop it out. So I'd really have to think about if I wanted to let him out. Now, that's pretty much the answer I would expect. Now, what I wouldn't have expected you to say is I just put them in the basement and kind of give them free reign and just just hope that they don't do anything naughty. What do you mean specifically in the basement? Yeah, well, it's like a prison basement that has rooms and hallways to other rooms where other prisoners are kept specifically with an array of of, you know, there's there's all kinds of things down there, you know, props and like, there's I think there's TV and stuff. Like there's there's just loads of things lying around that you could potentially fashion into like escape tools. And it's all just there. Nobody's watching them. There's no cameras, no guards, nothing. This is this could be one of his tests like he was testing them earlier in that really weird convoluted way. Maybe this is another one of his tests to see if they're really assassin material. But well, you know, now that you've kind of given it like, who do you think they're going to meet in this area, Rags? What's special gas? Oh, abomination, if only close. And yeah, it is kind of an issue. No, it's not abomination. In fairness, I don't know that you'd have any reason to guess this one. This is unless there is a reason it was a short made a little MCU movie short where this character gets kidnapped by the organization of the 10 rings. And so if you had watched that and I had it was like, OK, this makes sense. And it's someone that they were laughing about just in literally the previous scene. I don't know. Come on, Rags, I believe in you. Well, no, I honestly think it's fair that you wouldn't think to guess this. Like, do you remember Iron Man 3 very well? No, I haven't seen it a long time. Well, you remember Ben Kingsley, right, as an actor? Yeah, I do. He was in that and he was the Mandarin. Well, the not Mandarin, I guess you could call him. Man who in he impersonated the real leader of the 10 rings. And that was his first mistake and his last because they kidnapped him and put him in prison for the rest of his life. What he tells us he was kidnapped specifically to be killed because fuck that guy for fucking with Mandarin's reputation or Ben rings, reputation rather. But when they were about to kill him, he started doing he started doing Shakespeare, I think he says. I think they were amused, so they kept him alive as a jester. I can't really feel like his his acting career is really paid off here. So that's what I will say when he came up. I was like, man, feels weird to have someone of such acting prowess being forced into this retarded role. Really? Because you do that as like a joke. Like, oh, we got this this incredible actor to do this goofy part and it's goofy because like it's recognizing the actor is so good. Yeah. What a way. Yeah, I mean, to do Ben Kingsley, you know what pains me so much is that Ben Kingsley, if they truly committed to the Mandarin role as the proper protector, as our antagonist in Iron Man 3, that he is actually the villain and they didn't do that stupid goofy twist. He would have been one of the coolest villains in the MCU. Ben Kingsley was nailing it. Yeah, you're selling it, man, because he was he was never he was never trying to impersonate a Chinese man either. Like he was clearly like a Samo Bin Laden material, you know. And that work and like and the concept of a terrorist that specifically targeted superheroes was awesome. I was like feeling it. I was like, this could really go somewhere. And then when they just rule, it hurts me so much because it could have been something so cool. And so I get he's also like really stupid. If you remember, they are. Oh, amazingly. So the joke is not this is a little bit jump of the head, but it's just the jokes. There's no spoiler or anything. He's like, why did you get into acting? And he's like, well, when I saw Planet of the Apes, I was amazed by how they managed to do all of that. And they were like, oh, yeah, you mean like, you know, having the fact that because like the they're obviously people in suits and stuff. And then he's like, no, how they managed to train the apes to be on horses and all. I think the way that he says it is like that how they got the apes to ride the horses and stuff and that's acting. And like the joke to me honestly did not work because I was like, wait, you're saying that he believes that the act of having apes on horses work doesn't usually work, but it does when they're acting because he believes acting is when you can do something that you normally can't. So yeah, the punchline was that he believes thinks the apes are real apes. Yes, yeah. And that they were acting like they were not real monkeys and that they were real monkeys, but they're acting. And that's why he wanted to be an actor to act the act like the monkeys could. And obviously, the joke is everyone's like, he doesn't know. So the the cinema I was in was laughing pretty heavily at that exchange. I just don't get it. Like, you know, I see a lot of people that that joke glanted for him. You know what, maybe maybe this is less funny to you guys. But like, I thought the joke when he was building up was just going to be that he was inspired by the monkey characters. He was just you could make it so that he's like, I know there were people in suits. But the idea that a monkey could be doing all those things, surely I could, you know, let's sort of I thought that's what the story was going to be or some weird way of that. But like the way they went with it, I was just like, what? He thought that they were real monkeys acting on. Why would a monkey aspire in but not a this is like the shit? This is like the shitty version of the. Of what is it called the in a in the Suicide Squad? The whole, you know, if rats have a purpose, that's a dirt. This is like the shitty version of that. Yeah, it's like they can't just be dumb. They have to be like so comically dumb that it's like, no, I think they can't believe you're actually dumb. Yeah, you know, the thing is, though, Ben Kingsley is such a good actor. He even did that role like I think so really well. And I think he's a motion throughout. He's getting all the delivery right. He works hard and I feel bad for him. So here's my reaction, right? When I saw Ben Kingsley back in, I had the faintest kind of glimmer and hope in my heart that they could do something. But of course, they didn't. They wouldn't have the balls or they'd want to commit to anything like I was like hoping, wow, imagine if this guy, the horrible actor, right? Realizes that the only time in his life where he had respect and people, you know, saw him was when he had the role of the Mandarin. And he liked that version of himself far better. And then this weird mental thing happens where he creates a double personality that that version of the, you know, actor that he had overtakes himself and he's been playing this double game behind the scenes, ready to try and betray things. And at the end of the film, he kills the Mandarin takes the rings for himself and they restore the evil terrorist Mandarin character as a real character. And I was thinking, oh, that would be so cool if they did that. Bring back that awesome character that they just ruined and subverted. It could have been the true Mandarin and stuff. Of course, they would never have done anything like that. Could you imagine reaction on Twitter? But I could wish I was like, I was thinking it would be so cool if we could have that Mandarin and he gets the 10 rings and stuff. And then he could be an Iron Man antagonist like, you know, I was like, nah, of course not. The ironic thing is like all this stuff that we're laughing about here, that's not even the dumbest aspect of this scene, which is just about to happen. I was going to say to like, Rags, you might think that he's here for comic relief and maybe a reference. He is. I mean, surely with with with something that stupid, you wouldn't make a character like if you have a character say something that incredibly stupid, surely it's for comic relief. Why else would anyone say something that shockingly stupid? He is pivotal to this story. We will we will not get anything else happened now, if not for him. So super fucking lucky that he's here, that he was spared and that he bumps into them. But hey, there's also another character we should introduce. Yes, the little thing. What is it, Morris? Is there a headless wombat chicken? Yeah, yeah, that's a pretty accurate description. I don't even like words fill me with this thing. Yeah, it's like a little like a little wombat with wings and no face. No head. It doesn't even no head. Yeah, just his body just stops. Yeah, how does it to picture it? Rags like a fat little dragon with no head picture. What was it again? Is Morris, is it? It is Morris, I think. Yeah, yeah. So it's based out of like, I guess it's a piece of like Chinese folklore or something like that. But like, there's certain things that you probably shouldn't try to adapt into an actual live action movie. And this is one of them. Like, how does it see or communicate? Oh, whatever. Anyway, am I even supposed to look at that? I don't know. That's just what it is. Well, yeah, here's like a full view, I guess. Why would you give up the chance to give it like a cute face or something? Because yes, that's the Chinese like mythical. Yeah, that sounds like they've got some kind of I thought we in Scotland had fucked up like legends and stuff, but man, we've got nothing on the Chinese. OK, apparently it's a hundred. It's a that's what it's called. It is a legendary faceless being and the primordial and primal and the primordial and central chaos in Chinese cosmology comparable with the world egg, according to compare. They have a little I heard all those words. And I'm just that didn't worry here as well. Oh, well, that's the least is accurate, right? Yeah, it is accurate. This this fucking ridiculous thing waddles into the shot. And they're all like, what the fuck is this? And, you know, Bing Hingsley is like, oh, thank God, you can see it. I thought I was going crazy. Like now, funnily enough, everybody here is shitting on it. I kind of like it. But like, I don't mind if it was just there for fun. But it's the fact that literally the whole rest of the movie depends on this thing exists. That's that's the thing that's annoying about. There are so many issues. I mean, I don't like the look of it. I think it looks like it's just this headless, weird thing with no cute features. You can, you know, I wouldn't say that it has no cute features at all. It's like the little body, the little waddling and the stumpy legs. And it's a big furry fluffball. Yeah, that's what I find interesting about it. It's too uncanny valley for me. I mean, it's interesting. I mean, I get shit. I have so many questions about it as well, because just. Oh, yeah, I mean, I don't know how it works at all. Like, what does it drink? So supposedly, like when we found it, like on one of his exploration missions in this region and brought it back to his hideout and then just kind of left it there and Ben Kingsley has befriended it. But like not only that, not not only that goes further, not only is he befriended it, he is talking to it and it supposedly is talking back. And you think if something like that happened, you have this magical creature from the dimension that you're trying to access where this magical village is. You have this creature and suddenly it seems to be communicating with someone. That would be really frigging important to take note of and try and figure out if you could get information from it. Oh, yeah, I'm just curious as to how he found it in the first place because it only exists in the magical fairytale land, which means he would have to gone there to get it in the first place. And if he could get it, then he fucking knows the way to get there anyway. So why does he need it? Why does he need to do any of this stuff? I think it fell through the whole time. I think it fell through and it was just during. I thought it fell through and was just wandering through the forest. And we're just kind of plopped out like a third or so. Yeah, exactly. Well, wait, so is the forest does the forest kill you if you try and step into it, or does it only kill you when it's closing in on you? I think it's when it's closing in on you, because it makes you wonder, you know, so it squeezes through to death, which is you. I guess. I mean, if you're in a car, would it be able to crush the car? What if you were in one of the trees? I just find them. I know we kind of talk about it, but I'm just sitting here like you can move these trees at will. Like, what is this power who is doing this? What does it mean for the rest of the world that you can create forests at will like it's, I don't know. But obviously, there's no answer to solve the I don't. Yeah, maybe it's that sounds like like a poison kind of power, like to grow trees and forests. Like you're you're a you. Oh, my God, you're a Dom de Louise. And that's what you do. You use your magic green thumb and you make like flowers and stuff appear. But they're like sapient flowers and they have motions and expressions and thoughts. That's actually kind of horrible. I was I was thinking more about that. Did you ever see that Don Cheadle sketch where he's playing Captain Planet and he just starts zapping everyone? Yeah, yeah, yeah, trees. I just picture it like that. Fucking turn the whole world into trees. Yeah, we kind of alluded to it. But maybe I'll just confirm it for rags. This creature can get them to the village. It knows the way through. It wants it wants to return. Well, OK, so it wants to go there. So this this thing shows up who happens to be from that place and it will conveniently take them there and it can communicate with them in a way that it will show them. Yes, yeah. So, Rags, we made a mistake. We mistakenly thought he was called Morris. His name is actually a guffin. His name is MacGuffin. Oh, I see. I see what you mean. Convenient, convenient plot device. He is he is he is very much a MacGuffin. And also, do we mention that the Trevor thought that he was he was like that he he was he didn't think it was real. He thought Morris was in this head. Yeah, I mentioned that when he shows up because everyone's like, what's this thing? And he's like, I thought it only I could see it. I thought it was going crazy. Oh, and then to be fair, if I saw something like that, I would I would assume that it was a horrific hallucination. I guess you could assume that, but it keeps coming back. And it like you can interact with hallucinations. Yeah, I mean, if you physically touch it, then it's like, that's probably real. Well, maybe it's oh, yeah, I guess at that point, I would I would ask other people if they could see it as well. And if they said that, I'd be like, OK, so this actually makes the world even more confusing. But all right, so just because we're ultra nitpicky and people always correct me on it as well. Technically, a MacGuffin has a more strict definition. I was going to mention. Yeah, yeah, but technically, yeah, this is just a plot device. But even though I will acknowledge that the term MacGuffin is being changed in just common language to mean plot device these days. I should also say as well, now, this is all great. They found Morris and he can show them the way through the bullshit forest to the fairytale land. But they're still trapped deep in. Yeah, what are they going to do there? Rags, how are they going to escape rags? They. Oh, just do this. One of the oh, does it transform into a massive creature and they ride it to safety? Nope. No, I still would have thought that would have been better than what I think that's better than what happens. Oh, that's not. Oh, does one of them discover a super power that they just use? I mean, you're not far off, really. Honestly, I was going to say, like, I don't know how to direct you toward it, right? But you will be surprised because it's dare I say, it's just so simple. Oh, do they just run? I mean, that's half of it. But how do they have the they run really fast? How are they able to simply run away? Oh, um, does it like? How are they able to run away? Does it like guide them? Well, so what I'm suggesting is, like, if they have a guide and they're able to run away as in their legs, working stuff, but there's walls, what are they what can they do? Oh, do they like burn the trees or something? No, I mean, they're still trapped in the basement. Oh, do they climb the trees? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't know. I'm thinking trees. I got trees on the brain. They. Oh, do they start singing weird songs and then the guards come in and see what's weird about them? Why are they doing that? No, that makes no sense. Less sense, less sense, dumb. Oh, they they simply believe that they can break out of their bonds. And then it happens through the power of belief. That's good enough, I think. Yeah, very close. Yeah, the sister just breaks a wall down right behind them. And like, yeah, we used to play in the tunnels around here. There's lots of hidden tunnels that our father doesn't know about. And I just broke through one. And then she says, oh, I used them to escape last time. This is so I already knew about the tunnels underground. Wait, how does she break it with explosives? If it just kicks the wall down and it just falls apart. Wait, wait, wait, we mean kicks with her foot. Yeah, it's like it's like the walls made of paper mache. It's like it's not strong enough to pile together. Well, if you remember, she's pretty strong, you know, as well as her foot being really strong or X-Rags. What's so hot about that? So that means that so that means anybody could kick it down if she could, right? I mean, it's so weak that like it's like if Trevor had leaned on that section of wall at some point, it probably would have just given way. Yep. And so that's that. Obviously, you might be thinking to yourself, right? He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, there's going to be cameras and gods, right? Like, well, yeah, surely. Yes, the cameras surrounded by guards pretty much know to gods and less eluded. What's the point of the cameras? Well, see, the point of the cameras is to be something they notice way too late. They're like, oh, wait, they're escaping. Yeah, but will you know that because they won't be there anymore? Well, they get an action scene out of it. They attack their car as they're driving away. They got a car. Yeah, they go to the they go into the garage and they steal razor fists car, which is how could they steal it? Do they don't they need like keys and stuff? I think this is the key is just in it. I don't remember. OK. No, I think there's like is it not because like they're valet parkers. And so they know that the keys are all kept in like a big like you. Yeah, an office or whatever. They use their special valet powers to know where the keys are set up. Yeah, yeah. If right, the first kept keys like in his pocket or in his bedroom or any place other than right next to the cars that they could just get into that nobody guards and the best part is like he looks at the camera. It's like they're stealing my car. They're cameras. What? By the way, how do you even drive a car, razor fist, when you've only got one arm? When you have one arm, yeah. You could have a car with one arm. They are just gear. You could see that you can do that with one arm. I mean, you could. But like you preferably it wouldn't be preferable. But you bet your ass you could do it, especially if your life depended on it. Or if it was really important. I was going to say, even either arm, you probably be able to do it. It's going to be rough. But there's one arm, like depending on which side the the wheel in the driver seat is, you're going to want one of the you prefer that. The gear and wheel arm are the same arm, right? As in you're I'm trying to say, I'm trying to fucking account like you'd want it on the same side. Yeah, yeah, it's going to be in the center. So you're going to want your arm. But it's doable, but it's. Wait, but but his. So his his razor fist is on his right arm. And this is a car that is the driver's side is on the left hand side. You could do it either way. You could do it. It's just really annoying. I mean, that would be a rough way to drive. That would be a lot easier for him. If his arm was like an actual arm, it's probably custom made the car to account for his lack of a second arm. Maybe it is. Yeah, probably. Almost certainly. Yeah, yeah, probably a fair inference. There you go, Shang-Chi. That's great. You did it. Someone I wanted to bring up was that they described the plan before enacting all of this as we've been describing it. And they ask about the whole going through the forest thing considering the forest can kill everybody if they don't do this right. And they go, what is the like likelihood of this all being something you understand for sure is going to work? And the little monstery thing is translated by Ben Kingsley. And he says 90 percent and then they go away. Oh, 90 percent. That's great. Yeah, let's do it. And then he goes, no, no, 19 percent. And then Marvel's Katie says, I've done dumber things with worse odds like let's do it. It's like, I'm sorry, I'm not agreeing to a plan that's 19 percent likely to work. It's great. Well, this mythical Chinese monster has got a grasp of modern mathematics and it can calculate percentages. Link. Also, I couldn't get it. Oh, the Asians are good at numbers. That's not fair. Just want to point out how astronomically convenient is this monster just rocks up and knows exactly. He knows how to get into the forest. The thing that the dad has been searching for for 10 years with difficulty. They are like, oh, we need to get there. Luckily, oh, here's a monster and gives you everything you need right there. And any effort at all. And when his dad said, like, you can only go in one day per year, then the monster basically says, nah, bullshit, you can go in wherever you want. Yeah. Why did you establish that then? You just need to know the pattern or something. And luckily, they have the creature that will show them the way. It's literally insanely convenient. It's because the script needs them to get there a day or so before him so that they can have their really slow scenes once they're there. And the fact that this creature who has all this knowledge has been sitting in the very compound the whole time right under the dad's nose and he never tried to get any information from it. It's like it's like TLJ where they get trapped in the thing and then they meet someone who's just the perfect person they could ever meet or everything they need. It's like, oh, this is good writing, guys. They learn so much. That's good. That's good. So, yeah, they drive out, they escape. And then I think we just see them waiting for a while until they're like the time is right. And I think we try and make a joke out of that as well. He's like, it could be. Well, this is this is where the monkey joke comes up as well. Very good. Yeah. And then I think they like it could be ages that we wait till and then they start talking about other things. And then he goes, oh, go now. And it's like, oh, I remember being so distracted because at one point I think the forest is closing up on them to the point where it's like easily about to kill them. And I think Ben Kingsley is like, you should speed up. And it's like, man, you sound real worried about I guess that because like the point of his character is he's like constantly aloof, I guess. And the lot of them are dealing with the situation where they're all about to die, like they're inches away from it. And they're all just kind of like, hmm, it's close. Hopefully we can make us through. I did consistent with the character so far. I mean, like even when they guns are pointing at him, he wasn't freaking out. Oh, yes. Well, I could do this instead. Or, you know, he has a very placid kind of that's what I'm saying nonchalant reaction. Props to the fact that that's how he's always I just wonder why they give him so much screen time in this for someone who is like not meaningless. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, like he's not. He's only here to facilitate the other characters' ability to move through the story. Like he has no other the show doesn't the film doesn't care about him. This is like, he's yeah, he does nothing at the end. Basically, it's like, is there they show it and there's no payoff, no no arc for him or anything. It's just a non character, really. That's just a plot device. You're right. Are they taking this car to the forest? Yes. So they can just it's a place you just drive to. Well, yes. And the interesting thing about it really is like as I think Drinker mentioned, there's no other way you're going to get through that forest. Like it's like car only. Pretty much the speed at which the trees open and close. Yeah, yeah. The spacing of it and the speed when they go in. I can't think of any other sort of typical vehicle or transport or any kind of thing. You have like a really fast horse. Maybe. Yeah, yeah. No, this car is going like 40, 50 miles an hour easily. No horse is going to get you that speed. Also, this is this is where, you know, one of the. So what's the point of having the opening? The opening. Well, this is like if you use it at the right time, you know, but like the people on the other side don't want anyone to come through. I don't know that. Do they control the forest? I don't know that they do. Like the I don't think they did. I thought they made it to prevent people. I just thought the forest was its own thing. Oh, it's oh, is it not like is there not like a dragon in the forest? I thought there was because the guardian lady was there and she got the dragon power. I thought the dragon lived in the forest somewhere. No, the dragon lives in the other dimension with the village, but gives them all their powers still. The village is a very different dimension. Yeah. Yeah. I don't understand. OK. None of us do either. So, yeah, so basically there's this the forest moves and it just does that. And then once you follow the path that opens up, that takes you to like a portal that you drive through. And then you're in the village where the lady came from and where all the mystical animals and stuff live. And ironically, there's another portal on the other side of that village that leads you to a different dimension. Yep. Is that ironic? No, no, no, no. We got the rags or it's just a it's just a freaky fact of the world. So I actually don't know. I don't mind the fact that the village is in another dimension. It's actually consistent with the world building of Doctor Strange that there are other dimensions and stuff and that I kind of like that there could be natural doorways between the dimensions. And there might be some dimensions that have no doorway to earth, but you could get to them through other openings into other dimensions that then lead to them. I think that will all work all right. Like that type of world. I feel like if you think about it for a lot longer, it just what the. So this group of people are just this the generationally, these people just live in this other dimension that's in a tiny pocket. Well, no, this other dimension where the village is is an entire world. It's like a whole other planet with their own civilization. Do they say that? Yeah, she actually claims that they have got more advanced civilization and cities and culture than anything in our universe. That's literally her choice of words. But they choose to live in like a medieval village, a huge amount of things. Like do they not care about it then? Not well, are there really? But they don't they don't want the bad things to get to earth, but they're still more concerned about protecting themselves. Like. I feel like this you can't just say like, oh, there's this dimension that's filled with an entire civilization that just operates independently of earth, but it's connected to earth. I feel like you've got to hang on. No, no, no, that's established in Doctor Strange. Like the ancient one says that there are other worlds with people populating them and stuff. Sure, but but the difference is here is like so there is a portal that can connect you to earth. And apparently you're more advanced and you just don't care to go out there. Like that side of the stuff. Yeah, that side of stuff is all really badly done. And as in, you know, why are they not using this advanced technology that they supposedly have in their living in primitive states? And all that's bullcrap. I just liked the execution of the fact that they are using the additional dimension kind of aspect of the multiverse that supposedly exists. But I would also like to ask, like, obviously, one of their their key goals is to prevent humans coming through this portal to their realm and fucking with things there. So easy thing to do. If that's the job, you could just bury the portal under a mountain. Or have like all kinds of troops and and and resources allocated to guarding it at all times. So the moment something comes through, you can take care of it. But no, they just leave it. You can go right through. Nobody's watching it. I don't go further with the criticism of this because like I feel like it's a very surface level praise that is like, oh, it's another dimension. They had dimensions in Dr. Stray just like they don't execute this well at all. If we're supposed to believe this is a whole other like, is it like a mirror of earth, but on a different timeline or something? Or just they're all because I don't know what the species of people here are. I'm assuming they're human. But that they're primary concern, which we're pretty much at this point in the story. So it's fine for us to know their primary concern is preventing this gate from opening that's covered with like stone and magical stuff. Well, because if we're going to mention that, I think we need to give it a decent more acknowledgement. Because to me, this is like they finally get to their alternate dimension where this village is and a whole new plot is revealed that is only slightly intertwined with the story of the mother and things. And it shifts the entire, I guess, structure of the film at this point. And I found that a pretty significant change of pace. I mean, we've mentioned it a couple of times. I'm trying to make it as simple as possible. Their goal is to prevent, as you guys imagine, any humans from not only coming through, but fucking within any way, something they have and like, if that is, which, by the way, is fair when we find out what it means that their whole world should be concerned about that they should not only have blocked up, but they should have way better defenses here than what they have. Especially if they're more advanced than us. We should have military. Yeah, they need to have a bunch of like really like not technically Amazons, but like big burly women who have like spears and swords and bows and they have like it's by a cliff, right? They're going to build this facility and it's like big and stone. And they're always like looking at it. And they're always got arrows pointed at it. And then if anyone ever comes to the portal, they blow it up. They drown themselves. Snap them straight away. Just to show how serious they are. From their perspective, what Drink was saying, they have no reason to actually allow the portal to stay open. They don't need anything from Earth. They don't want to send anything to Earth. So literally just cave in the portal. It's going through a cave. Just bury it. I will say as well, though, like I'm not sure because if there's a portal to another dimension and that's just the thing that exists in the universe, why would that also entail a magical forest that opens and closes to act to allow you to access the portal? Yeah, what is this? None of this is explained. Yeah, it's not explained. My understanding or assumption was is that the village people use their dragon. Oh, the band to make the to make the forest to protect I can believe they're from another dimension, to be fair. Well, so yeah, but I guess when it comes to this, I don't know how much it's worth for this film to be like, oh, there are other dimensions that was mentioned in another movie. But like everything to do with how they explain it and execute it is terrible. It's it's all just stuff that's thrown in at the last minute with no buildup, no significance, nothing. And it's just you cannot buy into it. Like, yeah, I totally agree with that. Yeah, yeah. My only point was that I had no issue with the village being in another dimension because that is pre-established world booty. I was like, that makes it all fits. But I totally agree the execution is very poor. Well, I think when it comes to the whole thing of like different dimensions, that was established. But I don't know that what that meant in Doctor Strange is what it means here, that there's like another dimension that has human beings and an earth and like mystical creatures that has a direct pathway that you can like walk through and that whatever happens in this dimension can just spill over into ours. And it feels like more of this incredibly earth centric shit that I really don't like in the MCU. Everything is about everything happens on Earth. It's all humans and everything happens on Earth. Really important and all the most important things ever are on Earth and human beings are awesome and amazing. Like it feels incredible, like geocentric. Well, I mean, yeah, there were three of them at the same time. I think there's threats from other dimensions that can spill into Earth. That has happened already, again, in Doctor Strange with Dumamu from the Dark Dimension. And so assuming freedom is literally spilt, like if they spilled a cup of water, it would end up in Earth. Well, it's in like a dragon could just be like, I feel like going through. I mean, Morris, he went through the portal. He just went through it. Like, I'll say again, I like I actually like that. At least they said the mystical creatures come from this other dimension. That's where they're located. Because if they tried to say that there's just dragons on in Earth in its past and they're just hanging around, that would be like, what? Because, you know, how did that affect the history, the MCU and all that stuff? So I like that they tried to contain the mystical creatures and stuff in a whole nother dimension and only occasionally could one or two ever slip through and end up in our world. But I also added that did obviously affect Chinese culture and MCU because they're explaining that a lot of the, you know, traditional Chinese mystical creatures actually come from this dimension because they have the multi-tailed foxes and so they actually have other creatures from Chinese folklore being shown in this other world. I guess that's that's that's almost like I feel like that's kind of the issue, right, is that if you have these based on creatures that actually exist, it's like so the mythology is based on something real, which means enough people have seen these things. Novel idea. They yeah, that it's just accepted of like, oh, this Morris, like four winged faceless wombat. Like that's just a thing that's known or not known to exist, but enough people saw it that it was documented and people have a clear understanding of what it looks like. That means that this this mystical forest society, they have some level of influence over human history and it just starts to make I'm not like. I mean, if it influences the most popular on this side of stuff. Yeah, this side of stuff I'm perfectly fine with. I think it mirrors other kind of mythologies and things like with Norse mythology, where elves come from another place. They come from Elfheim. They don't come from. Yeah, so I'm not a mention essentially. And so I kind of like that there was that that type of thing. I agree that their execution, though, for the people that they come from and how their civilization was established and what they're doing to protect the barrier between their world and our world is a complete mess. That's horribly done. But just this like base level world building that, you know, the village is in another dimension. And that's where the creatures come from. I was like, yeah, I like that. Um, I guess I guess the thing is, is that I don't I don't think. I guess I've seen that 78 times. I just don't care. We have seen it a lot. That that tends to be a common thing. I guess I just I don't know how much it's worth when everything that supports it is just horrendous. Like, I guess that's that's that's my feeling on it. I guess it could have been done so much worse that, you know, where they could have had the village always being on earth. And then where was the people? Why? Where are all these creatures coming from? If there's that vast amount of magical creatures on earth in history, where were they? Why aren't they representing war in the past? And affecting the question? Well, if if if we have like the mythology, like Chinese mythology being in the MCU based off of things that actually exist that come from different dimensions, is this something that Dr. Strange or like sorcerers in general? Do they not give a shit? Like, well, that's why they are somewhat aware that we're the one coming in and saying, I guess that's the question then, right? Is like, surely there should be resources dedicated to keep an eye on this stuff. That's true. Like, if there is a work, yeah, if there is a universe ending entity on the other side of this portal that's locked behind a door, yeah, that might be something that the mystical people would be concerned about, Dr. Strange. And it's called people of mysticism. Oh, right. I don't want to be racist against the magic people. But our magic. It's all magic. We talk about this society in the forest, though, because, holy crap, like what is like the dragon scale? Which is let's go because they get through the forest. But this is where the friend gets to shine. She like gets to justify her arc. Remember how she was a really crazy driver at the beginning? Well, who's going to drive them through the forest where they it's going to take extra? Like, this is where I'm not sold on because the level of skill it would truly require to know, oh, you're told to turn right here with no queue in what's in front of you and you have to turn it the exact right amount of degrees. Otherwise, you're going to run into trees and stuff like that. And it's all us driving on dirt. Oh, my goodness. Like, remember how in like, remember how in and what's that movie with the Lightning McQueen cars? That's like a whole plot point is that, oh, you're not used to racing on dirt, city boy. You got them zoomers. And so that was like a big thing. It's like you say, Shad, it's always really like vague sort of instructions, you know, turn right. It's like, OK, do you mean like 45 degrees? Like hard, right? Like right here, right? Like, can you tell me a bit more? Speed, should I be going to get through? You know, like, what exact speed? Slow down, speed up. Like, yeah, it's just like she always just knows the exact turn to make at the exact time. Yeah. And if you screw it up even a little bit, you're dead. Like, you're all dead. You get gobbled by the trees that she got her arc. She's like, it's just if she wasn't here, if she didn't insist to be brought with Shane, she they would not have been able to get in the forest. Well, yeah, it's not just the last time. Not the last time she saves the day. Well, I was going to say, she completes. Don't get me started on. She completes her arc and she's going to start a new arc. Oh, great. I hope she doesn't learn a really difficult skill in this space of like a few hours. I have personal issues with that that just piss me off. I can't stand it. Anyway, we'll get there. Yeah, well, they arrive and what does anyone want to explain? They have a back and forth, but I can't remember what they say. Well, I think there's one point these. So they encounter this group of like villagers who are living in basically medieval circumstances is just a little village on the shores of a lake. And one of them actually tells them to get back in their car and go home. And I kept thinking, how the fuck do you even know what a car is? Like, you've never seen one before. No, never mind. And then Michelle, you comes forwards. Is it one of the speaking English? Yeah, they speak English. She explains to them that she's their auntie because she was like the sister of their mother. And yeah, she kind of recontextualizes what had happened because they wouldn't they wouldn't allow her mother and and when we to stay in the village because he was evil or something. So they left because of that. And she explains that on the other side of the lake, there's a big giant doorway that's protected by dragon scales for some reason. And inside it is an entity that could end all life in the universe because it's so. Oh, fuck me. Wow. Yeah, who would have thought as this new bad guy that it's like it's a creature that can destroy everything. It is ultimate evil thing. And so they sold it away after a huge battle that almost destroyed their whole universe. And it's just been locked behind this door ever since. So they exist to protect that doorway and make sure that no one messes with it. And that thing, that evil entity that sucks like a mommoo. That's the thing that's been talking to when we the whole time. And, you know, it's it's trying to convince him to come along with his den rings and let it out. Yep. For some reason, it hasn't tried to get anyone else to do anything about it. It's just him with the. No, no, no, no, no, just hang on. Hang on. She does want to talk to Hitler. Oh, the the the the aunt says that it's tried to get other people to free it before. And they've come through into their world and they've stopped them. But now it's really I don't believe it. Yeah, I refuse the like you're going to the head of like Iron Man. They'd be fucked. Yeah, I know. And and so now it's after when we because it thinks he has the power when he could have literally spoken to anyone. But maybe it's because it's it can manipulate the the mother aspect. But again, this raises so many questions. What what capacity does this creature have to be able to look into another dimension? Specifically earth to be able to get enough context to learn that. Oh, he wants his wife, dead wife back. I can then speak to him across and to me. Like, what is this thing's powers and capacity is just what? Like, I just they probably would have been better off trying to corrupt some of the villagers in the village. Fuck it. They're literally like half a mile away from it. That'd be really easy for them. It's like the idea is like, hey, hey, come free me to it. Let me out. Let me out. I'm like, I'm actually a really hot lady. You want to meet a hot lady, don't you? Come come come open up. Come on up. I don't want you to get me out of here. And yeah, I just there's so many things I don't get here. Like they've got an entire universe here and a huge super advanced civilization. But all you get to see of it is this little tiny village. They end up basically fighting a battle for the fate of their universe. If this thing escapes and wreaks havoc, it's going to destroy all life. But they don't they don't radio for backup or anything. Nobody else comes to help me out. It's it's just the saddest little tomorrow or what? Yeah, the resources that are dedicated to protecting the world from this massive threat is a little village of maybe a hundred people. Maybe that is far behind what they need to be. But look, they have dragon scale weapons. And those kids, those are really good. Yeah, so those dragon scales into a bullet that you can load into guns. And then you're the Chinese and gunpowder. If this is like a Chinese land, then they should have those right? I don't know that they are Chinese. They're in dimension two. So I don't know. Oh, OK. I thought the Chinese dimension. But the aunt, she shows them like these carvings on the wall of their civilization and they have mega insane super cities with skyscrapers that are just huge, right? They're showing like this super advanced civilization implying that their tech level should be crazy. Whereas their laser guns and stuff, they were their flying machines and then they're living in like medieval technology in a village. And I think that I I'm not sure if it was a stated because I'm so confused exactly how it was. But maybe the battle that their whole civilization had against this evil entity that sucks out souls. And yes, Rags, it literally sucks out souls. OK. Oh, my goodness gracious. The souls of cannon in the MCU now. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. We have the soul phone, right? Or was that metaphor? Yeah. OK. And so and that the battle with this creature destroyed their civilization. That's the only context that might try to explain it. But I mean, that's not. Yeah, exactly. They're not clear on it at all that they lost all their technology in the battle or anything like that. They don't say it. They just say, actually, in fact, they say what most explicitly that we have a huge civilization that's still alive. That was the context that was coming across and we're way more advanced than anything you guys have in your world. Yeah, because they to explain this battle, like their most powerful weapons and their most advanced technology wasn't able to stop this this soul dragon thing. It wasn't until the Guardian that they call it, which is just basically another dragon that lives in the lake decided to show up and help them that that was able to drive it back. So yeah, because that's right, because in the actual fight, when so, there's this really, really big bad creature and it sends out little lacky kind of bad things. Well, well, this is the context because you find out that regular weapons just pass through them. And the only way that they're able to actually damage these things is with the scales of the dragon. For some reason, it's the scales of the dragon. The only thing that can actually hurt these things. Yeah, and why does he give them? Is there a dragon and he just gives it to him like when he grows him? He like lifts him up like Draco can and doesn't tell you part or I think. Well, she does she say that they're the ancient protector dragon? We do see at one point is the one that provides them the scales. I think so. That's the I mean, I guess they must. But maybe it's them periodically and scales in this or does that mean so that can so they can only kill the dragon if they like go up in his butthole or something? Yes, well, we'll kind of, yeah. The dragon scales are essentially just another vibranium, like this is the only fucking reason it's just a material to let them do a lot of stuff. Yeah, exactly. And also, this is kind of we don't want to skip over the thing where when they get there, they mentioned that, you know, their dad has been hearing voices of their mother trapped behind a wall. And then the answer is basically saying, did he start to hear them when he put the rings on? And they're like, yes. It's like, let me explain. And her explanation is when she talks about the evil creature and she doesn't give the reason how the evil creature is connected to the rings in any that nothing is completely ignored. We are not told if it's the capacity for power. There was no reason that they couldn't have before we put on the rings. Exactly. Yeah. Why would the rings allow it to you? Like, can you only have one ring given like contend? People have each have a ring and they could each hear the voice. I would think so. I think so. But the thing is, because the creature had talked to other people to try and help free it, that establishes that the creature can talk to anyone. It doesn't need the rings to talk to people. And so it's a complete it's just they hang a carrot and they don't answer. And they just like hope you ignore it without explaining anything. And then they go on to the big explanation of this is the evil dimension destroying creature that destroyed or so we fought it off or we couldn't fire it off and then the dragon helps save us. And now this is the situation the dad wants to come and free the creature behind the door, because he thinks the mother is the one behind the door and not the creature and they have to prepare for battle because they are about to be invaded by the dad. That's the context of the final fight. You might think that it would definitely be a good idea to guard the portal now because the dad's going to come through. No. Can they shut it down for a while? Can they halt immigration? Just hang at the village and just wait for him to show up, I guess. Well, yeah, you'd think that there's plenty of ways they could do something, but they don't try anything at all. Just anything at all. Just any effort. Literally put up a sign saying no. Stop here. Go away. So, yeah, that's all this takes a set, as Shaz just said. So now what are our heroes going to do? Well, Rags, they're going to train because they've got to get ready. Fights to come. And you might be thinking to yourself, well, well, as long as they train themselves, they should be OK. Exactly. But what's Marvel's Katie going to do? Like she's, you know, montage. Well, you see, she's like, you know what? I want to make myself useful here. So she sees somebody struggling with some stuff and helps with it, whatever it may be. And then it's told to go to play. It was a bundle. I'm leaving your bag on paper. OK, sorry. She's helping with some stuff and she's like pulled away like, oh, you know, you need to deliver this stuff over here. And she's like, OK, I guess I'll just help. Turns out she's directed to like an archery training area. She's holding all the materials like bows and arrows and stuff. And it's like, hey, why not become an archer? You know, but like an art that. So that of all the things, if you have a very limited time to learn something, I imagine that archery is not going to be high on your list of things you need to be practicing. I disagree. I think that you can pick up in a second or so. I've seen loads of archery. And I don't believe that it's really anything to it. You just put the stick with the thing and pull away. I've watched Robin, his Prince of Thieves, like, I don't know. You can take a look. That's true. When I. All right. Yeah, when I escaped that imperial cart that one time, I went to a cave and this guy I was with, he gave me a bow and some arrows. And I crouched down and I killed a whole bear with just some arrows on my first try. It was so I can believe that you could just sort of cry such a three. Look at that bow. You pull it back and you let it go. And then it killed a lego guy in all the rings. He's good at it. And he's got Lara Croft. She like, you know, shooting them arrows. Yeah. They're a lego man from what's wrong with me. Don't shake me. It's not right. That's right. The bow is a stick like weapon. Yes. Oh, my goodness. It's just bent in the inside together. I mean, what is your problem with Katie learning how to, like, be an expert? The thing is, I was about to say, like, Chad, you can't take issue with the idea that she picks it up and wants to maybe use it. That's fine. Yeah, maybe if she's like, you know, I want to learn. Yeah, yeah. We'll have to we'll have to get a little bit further before its aneurysm can be settled before it can be let loose. We have a sister is learning how to use. I don't know what you call it, but it's like a dagger on the end of like a big long scorpion. It's scorpion's weapon thing. Yeah, it seems like a wildly impractical weapon. Compared to what she could have. Yeah. Yeah, that seems like a really stupid weapon. It's one of those weapons where you can use it if you use it perfectly in every scenario is probably pretty good, I guess. And she's just in that incredible. Because it seems like the kind of thing if you tried to use it in the middle of a battlefield, it would just get caught on things. You wouldn't be able to like wind it up like yourself. Yeah, yeah, have yourself. However, this is Shang Chi's sister we're talking about. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. And she can throw anything. She's the best this day of our. She's like she's like slipknot, but for throwing. Yeah, yes. Yeah, we get a little. I'm glad we get a montage of her doing that of of of Marvel's Katie, like getting really good with a bow for some reason. And Shang Chi's linen had a had a he literally says like, how was my dad defeated originally? And then the Michelle Yeo like does airbending and is like, that's how he's like, oh, OK. So could you give me a little bit more to work with here? And he kind of gets a little good at it. But then she still beats him and it's like, ah, see, you're you're still. You're not your arc isn't complete yet. OK, once your arc is complete, you'll be able to do this. And we'll the wind. Yeah, and they just they show that Katie's just firing arrow after arrow. And you know, those bullseyes, the stand to hit. Oh, wow. That's this because, you know, here's the thing. If you gave her a if you gave her a rifle in 30 minutes, she would get relatively competent at it, I bet. They don't have rifles in this mystical forest. They only have. Oh, I mean, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say as well, you kind of need a bit of upper body strength to wield a ball properly, maybe it's a little bow. No, you know, no, you don't need a lot of wood. You know, light wood is I'm just I'm just thinking it would take a while to build that kind of strength up. No, no, no, she's a driver. Well, spruce, she's driven all kinds of things. She's just driven cars without power steering. Well, unfortunately, it's like you've got to wait for the for the real payoff for Katie's. Yeah, is it a problem that she got lucky and got a few bullseyes, Chad? Wow, OK, women can't shoot apparently. The yeah, you could probably buy into like, yeah, you know, if it come to desperation time in a battle, she might be able to hit a few targets, you know, that are relatively nearby, you know, I should get lucky and slow. Yeah. Yeah. But the on drinkers. No, OK, if these are proper combat war bow caliber, like poundage bows, she would know she wouldn't even be able to pull the day thing, but she wouldn't be able to draw it. You'd be out of shit crap with it. Like this part of the movie, as you can probably tell, is one of the parts that personally offended me the most. And it's a simply wholly subjective thing because I am an archer. I shoot medieval longbow, war bow, a hundred pound range. And I know how frigging difficult it is to train up to even be able to pull that thing back and I just piss me off so much. And not only that, getting accurate with a difficult bow that you're struggling to, you know, control the poundage is really hard. We're talking months and months of training to even get a half decent grouping. Right. And I mean, she's a valet. Yeah, right. Right. Yeah, that means something. I just don't understand how you confuse. She's she's you know, when you're driving, your arms get a lot of work. And she's from San Francisco. Yeah, people are tough. She's been friends with them for 10 years, Shad. That plays into it. That matters. I mean something. Because this is a thing, right? You can actually give someone like who's never shot a bow in a life. And we and, you know, with all her, you know, skills in driving and valet skills and all that stuff, we're given no reason to ever even indicate she has had any experience in this type of, you know, field in archery. Archery uses a very different muscle set. And so when someone is driving, picking up, first picking up their first bow, right, their poundage that you need to give them because they've never shot one before is like 30 pounds. It's it's amazing with those rings. They can shoot like a 30 pound bow if you've never picked one up before. And you'll not you won't be shooting anything powerful or far with it. And then after maybe a good weeks training, you could get mildly, mildly accurate shooting things in a vague same direction with a basic grouping. But you're not going to be hitting balls. Not a chance, not a frigging chance, right? And and so you could get, OK, mildly accurate with a weeks training, but you'd be using such a pathetically weak bow. It would do spit against anything that has any measure of resistance or is any any range too far away because your range on a week bow like that is also going to be pathetic. And so I just cut you're saying to fix this because we kind of like to play around with fixes and stuff is that she should have said when holding the bow. Man, this reminds me of all the years of training I've had with my bow. And then I should have thought. Yeah, what you could do is you could stress that there are ways to help that don't involve you like picking up weapons and participating in combat. Yeah, you could like run support, make sure that we have all of our equipment. When you run out of bows, can you please go get some more bows for us? Tell me, man, let's just remember I'm wounded. Can you help us take us over the shelter? Do you guys remember Matrix revolutions with all the machines shooting they have many important people rushing ammo refills to them? Remember that? Hey, yeah, here's a reference battlefield. There are people on battlefields who aren't shooting. There are other people. The majority of people on battlefields are not shooting. Well, remember, seven private Ryan Oppum has to run around with the ammo for the heavy machine guns. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I met him. You did. Yeah. You tell. Yeah, need. Oh, boy. Was he nice? He was. He was super chill. He was in a black black suburban with just friends. He was a nice guy. Cool. But at this point in the film, because I'm skip, we just skipped overloads by summarizing it that way, which I like. It's like these scenes take a while of the whole training thing. Just back and back and forth. But there are lots of conversations, too. And one of them is a Shang-Chi-Pien like, hey, is the real, real, real history? OK, because they don't teach you this in school. Are you ready for this, Rags? Rags get ready to have your mind blown. We've already started with rewriting history at the beginning of this movie. So I mean, if we're going to do it again, I'm fucking down for it. Let's do it. I say, why stop at one? I was going to say, go ahead, because I've already done like the other the other histories. You know, and you might remember it better than I do, to be honest with you. OK, so he sits down with his friend at one point, and I'm assuming this is the part of the conversation you wanted to talk about. It's like, OK, sits down with his friend and is like, OK, you know how my father sent me to to assassinate? You know, the person that killed my mom. OK, well, OK. I did it. I killed her. I actually did assassinate him. OK. Yep. And then good. Then he ran away. Maybe ran away after. OK. So what does this change? What does this mean? Because I'm like, OK. Yeah, that's that's that's that's that was when I was going to say I assassinated except this person really kind of had it coming. Well, so it was really personally assassinated in context from what I said. As many other people point out, it's like, why wouldn't that be a scene we can watch? Like and then see his reaction and see what made him decide what have I become and then leaves or something like that? Maybe he accidentally killed someone innocent, you know? Well, maybe just like he was incredibly vicious in doing it, like to an excessive extent. Yeah, he enjoyed it too much and that made him afraid. Yeah, exactly. Hey, you should have enjoyed that you had. Well, I mean, if that's the career you want to go down, but he he he don't want to do that, you know, he's he's. That's what I mean. You don't want to. We don't get much of any of that stuff. We're sort of the most not only that in in context, it seems like because he actually did go through with the assassination, it seems like he does not blame his father for getting him. He actually was OK and agreed with his dad that this guy needed to die. And we're given no true feeling of regret for the action itself, the assassination itself like he is more afraid of how his friend will look to him. See, I'm really a killer. What do you think of me now? And what do you think you're going to do? It's like if you're like we are, we skipped a step in this story. We we skipped from I've actually followed through on the thing that my dad told me to to I ran away. It's like, well, there is a there is a really important middle part here of that we need that we don't really get. This is the problem with this movie. The it wastes so much time focusing on inconsequential crap that it doesn't give these big, you know, meaning supposedly meaningful revelations enough time to get built up and have any impact. And so the reaction is exactly like what Rags described. You just hear it and you're like, yeah, OK. So has this been bothering you? Because the person you killed sounded like a real dick. Well, this is the thing. He doesn't look like the actual act of killing bothered him. It's almost like he agreed with his dad that this guy needed to die. And at no point does he ever yell at his dad for forcing him to assassinate someone. It doesn't come up at all. And and it makes the conflict between him and his dad really hard to try and pin down. What is what is your main issue with your dad? You don't hate him for training you to be an assassin. You seem to actually appreciate the martial arts skills. Yeah, my dad is an assassin. I'd be like, that is kind of fucking cool. Imagine if imagine if that guy that he killed hadn't actually been responsible for his mother's death. Like I thought they were going down to get better. And then when he discovers this father lied to him, that's enough to break him. And then his dad could be like in innocent lives. I'm a tool of my father and that could be like I killed the guy who actually killed him ages ago. This is just more so you entering my world now. Like or if you wanted to make him a properly evil character, he could have been the one who killed the mother for whatever reason. And he framed these other guys and got Shang-Chi to kill them and turned him into a murderer at the same time. Like you could do a dozen different things with this that would have been way more interesting and giving you a much better conflict. But they didn't do it. Totally agree. Totally. I just mentioned as well, what if he killed them in front of their children? Yeah, I feel like they did the most basic one that they could have done. Like this is the basic one. And then you start adding modifiers on top to make more potent. Like this was the first idea you had. And when you should have gone deeper than that. It's like they weren't really prepared to commit to making anyone bad in this exactly the problem with Marvel stuff. It's funny, because all of the evil things that these characters have been doing in the latest instruments of this series. Yeah, but this. Oh, no. He killed someone who deserved it. Oh, no. Unlike Black Widow, not like Black Widow, who killed a bunch of innocent gods and prisoners who still didn't deserve to die like this, probably just because you needed to get a fake dad out of prison. I feel like it's definitely if they've they're serving time. Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, it's a whole idea of like you're in prison. You're not, you know, just like you should you're allowed to live. You shouldn't die because this person needs to get her dad out of prison. But now she killed one man who was a bad person. And while he was a child, it's just not really stressful. His dad's is not much on him as a character. And to be fair, all this stuff that's happening now is going to really nothing to do with him. More sort of do with the the idea, like he's being told what the situation is and what to do. So it's like, OK. Which leads us to the the beginning of the last day where the the invasion begins, the dad's on his way and they all stop preparing. Of course, he's been evasion with like as does he have an army? Is it just his goons from the Yakuza or whatever? Yeah, his goons. They're going to take over the world with his gang guys. His goons in like maybe four trucks. So I think there's about 20 of them in total. That's kind of invaded dimension. Yep. I guess. This is against well, this is against medieval villagers who are armed with bows and arrows and swords, right? So you'd think these guys came in with machine guns and and, you know, grade launchers, that sort of thing. This battle would be over in seconds. Yeah. All right. Nothing bulletproof. But it's sure lucky that they came through with basically medieval weapons themselves. Wait, wait, wait. They had their magic shields, remember? And they tried to have like electric taser, weird taser kind of crossbow things that they tried to shoot. And their magical shields blocked it. It's like, I still think, you know, some automatic weapons and grenade launchers probably would. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm just I'm just getting a little excited next. We're getting close to some payoffs. Yeah, I wait for rags to find out. Well, OK. Can I derail things then? Just go back in time. On this show. Well, OK, he's training with his aunt, right? Did he gain any new capacity or abilities when he was training there with his aunt? I know he gets his own superhero outfit. All right. They get a superhero outfit. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. They have suits that are perfectly fitting, that are made out of dragon scales that fit them perfectly. Him and his sister. So they probably were like bulletproof proof. Yeah, they're really strong. They're very strong, like basically vibranium. Chongchi is even the helmets that they wear. Oh, they don't have helmets. No, they're totally exposed. Oh, well, yeah. You know, the most vulnerable part of you doesn't even most important part. Doesn't I have sleeves as well? Or is that cut off? I can remember. Oh, so this is such an obvious thing. His outfit, he has sleeves, but they cut off at the elbows, leaving his forearms exposed, just like his dad. And I saw that as like, oh, gee, I wonder who's going to get the rings later on in the film with explicitly exposed sleeves, just like his dad has. It's like, wow, that's so damn obvious. It's stupid when you have the option for extra armor on your fucking forearms, but oh, well, I mean, that armor, baby. Just to just to back up, it is really funny that they have electric crossbows is what they come in with. Like the it's just why it's all just it's the same exact things. They've got swords and clubs and medieval weapons, but they're electrified. So that's meant to make them futuristic. Just why don't you have guns? Just one guy with one gun. Fucking toss a grenade and they're all dead. Or you know what? Don't even get out of your trucks. Just run them over. Yeah, how are you going to stop the truck? Just drive straight in and run them over because, by the way, rags. So, like, when it comes to weapons of choice, strong cheese is like a stick. I don't know what exactly that weapon is called, but it's just a stick with dragon stuff on the end. A bow staff. But the stick control kind of things because of the dragon scale. They show they hit the dragon. Yeah, they hit, like, trucks. Yeah, you know, very blunt objects are really good at cutting through things. Basically, it's about as blunt as it can get. It's round. It is. Maybe that's the idea that they want to use blunt force to get through the armor, you know? Well, guys, like, sticks are exceptionally powerful. I don't know if you know about big stick energy and how. Like, sticks are so. Sticks are incredibly powerful. They're one of my favorite weapons. I don't think we can criticise this. We're not shitting on the stick. OK, good, good, good, good. Most of the context. And yeah, unless there's anything else, the fight begins. We have the good old, like, shout and run from each side as they clash. And it's epic. So good. And get a bit of, you know, everybody's doing their fight stuff and then rags, because I'm I'm sure you've just been fucking chomping at the bit for when this is going to come back. But Michelle Yeo looks at evil dad villain. And it's like, oh, man, we could have a we could have a fight there. And then the dad villain, he looks off to the side and spots death dealer who jumps in. And it's like, I'm a fuck you up, Michelle Yeo. And they go to start their fight and it cuts away. We don't actually see any of their fight really at all. And it's like, OK, we'll come back to that, obviously, because that's pretty epic. But it's it's Shang-Chi who's like, my dad, he's he's walking off. I better go stop him because literally everybody is distracted, except for the one person who is trying to get to the one place. That's happening. Everybody's goal is to prevent him from getting to the gate. And he's doing just that because everybody just happens to be too busy to. They haven't even put one guy on the gate, by the way. It's incredible to me. Yeah, just for context, rags, the gate is on the other side of the really large lake. And it has this dedicated kind of outcropping platform of rock that extends a good space in front of it, almost like 50 meters. It's like a 50 meter kind of rock platform right in front of this gate on the other side of the river. And it's the kind of place you'd have a boss battle in a video game, basically. Yes. But yeah, everybody's distracted from the one goal they have. And then, you know, Shang-Chi and his dad just get to have a chat because they're over there on their own. I can't remember how the fucking talk goes. It's generic as fucks like you shouldn't be doing this. And I got it. It's my wife is like, no, it's not here. It's not here at all. And he's like, fuck you and it's him. But it's not going to do as much now because he's got his dragon scale armor. That's cool. And, you know, and then they have they have a big fight. And it's it's like fine. Well, it falls flat for me because the dialogue exchange between the two just isn't justified in the narrative of the film that we saw previously. So the dad goes on this big whole thing that it's revealed he kind of blames his son for doing nothing because he stood by and watched his mother die when he was a kid who was untrained and no real power to do anything. But the dad turns out the dad blames him for watching the mum die and doing nothing to try and save her, even though that would have got himself killed. So that's revealed in this fight scene. And that's that's that's a bit of a lame kind of accusation. And then he starts to accuse Shang-Chi, the son, of being afraid of him and always being afraid. And that's why he ran away. And then I'm like, hey, that's not shown at all in the whole rest of the film in the flashbacks, Shang-Chi is never shown to have any issues with fear. Yet the dad is doing this whole big thing. You've always been afraid. You're afraid of this and so this big dramatic kind of dialogue in the middle of the fight that's supposed to build dramatic tension is falling completely flat. And I'm getting nothing out of it. And it just sucks any dramatic payoff that this scene is supposed to have. And it was crap. It's basically the writers don't know what the conflict is between these characters. And it's like they're just throwing in whatever comes into their head at any one time. That's why it's like, yeah, like you said more, the dialogue just comes across as generic and bland because it doesn't really have any connection to these people for who they are. It's like we have to have it, whatever. And, you know, to be fair, it made me like think for a little bit when it first he first said that the whole like you didn't help your mom when she got killed. But it's like, man, do you think they came up with that while they were making this part of the film? Because they have no idea what the dad's angry at Shang-Chi for. So they're just like, make something up. I don't know. He was angry that you just watched her die. Because thinking about it, it's like, yeah, what the hell would he have done? He's like, just imagine if they had a bit of history, like, or, you know, imagine if they each lost something because of the other directly, like maybe the father had killed, you know, Shang-Chi's friend or his sister at some point in the story. And that was a genuine loss that he was enraged by. And, you know, what if Shang-Chi had had genuinely been old enough and been in a position to help their mother, but hadn't, you know, again, those are those would have been interesting questions then. But none of it's none of it's developed. It's just manufactured stuff to just give them something to say during a fight scene. And the fight ends with this is where we start to really wonder what the hell's going on. Plot armor wise, which is not going to beat out Black Widow, of course. No, no, no. We've got to mention it. So the dad, like, uppercuts him ready in place. Like he pushes him up and then puts all the rings back on and punches him so hard straight in the chest. He just flings back like we're talking really fast right into the water to the point where the like you into the lake and the water like erupts as though a fucking boulder has fling flung into it. Like it's like a meteorite going in. Now, as we know, even if you're wearing armor. That kind of force, like it's going to he's dead is the point I'm trying to make here. But, you know, no, he's not. He's just knocked out and in the water and it's I guess we'll come back to him. Should we say that? Because he is, I guess, maybe it's the magic armor bullshit. You can you can float under water for minutes at a time and not die. It's fine. Just you. Why? Yeah, well, I guess we'll come back to it. So the dad now having cleared the Zhang Qi blockade begins to smash at the big gate to release his wife. And all of the fucking characters are like, oh, shit, the gate. Like the whole reason that I completely forgot. And as he's as he's breaking it, a little little goopy demon comes out and is like, what is that? What is this little little flying thing? What is going on here? And like even some of the bad guy characters, including fucking sword on dude is like, well, what is going on here? And she's like, we got to fight against the demons from the gate. And he's like, well, no, I ain't going to do that. That's dumb. And so before before before he gets to what happens next, like if the dad was smart in any way at all or self aware or anything, right? You'd think like punching this gate and seeing an evil demon creature come out of it might have been a clue that how does he know it's evil? Hashtag not all demons. Yes, I don't think your wife is on the other side of that. They're my friend. That must be her demon friend. Well, it's crazy how he hits. The more he punches this door, like at one point, a massive eruption of demons come spewing out of it. And he isn't pulling off it at all. Like it just keeps punching that thing. You'd think he would have figured out that her. Maybe the thing that, you know, my son said about an evil something being on the other side of his door could have some measure of validity to it when he's seeing demons coming out of it. But no, it's just. I believe it is time, right? So, you know, so this demon, this one little dude, it's one little goopy demon is flying over and in the middle of a conversation with sword, razor fist man, where he's saying, like, fuck you guys. I'm joining you to fight those demons. It's fine. Who cares? How good friend death dealer is standing quite close to him, right? Do you remember death dealer? I do remember death dealer. They had really cool fight. I heard about. Yeah, yeah. So the little demon runs up to death dealer and kills him. Stucks his soul right at dead. Oh. Remember when you thought that there was going to be a cool like why would you do that? I couldn't like describe it as any lame. It literally just runs up to him and kills him and death. It just falls over like, oh, OK. Yeah. And then razor fist is like, all right, let's work together. Yeah, it's done for a big fun. Oh, right, because I forgot to. Yeah, you can only kill these demons with the dragon thing. So like razor fist, little blade, it ain't doing anything. It just goes through it like it's nothing. You got to kill them with dragon stuff. Yeah, they're basically incorporeal to any other matter, except the dragon scales and the dragon. Yeah. But yeah, death dealer gets around about 60 seconds of screed time. Total. Yeah. Maybe two. One like 20 seconds of fighting that's kind of neat. And what was it? By far the best fighter in the in the movie and responsible for probably the best seat. They just kill him for a joke. It's like, OK, you. But just for reference, right? The joke is like, we ain't going to join you. Then death dealer gets killed and he's like, OK, we'll help. How how will they help though? They don't have the dragon scale weapons. No, they work together. So they all get given dragon scale weapons so that they can help the villagers fight the demons. Yeah. And then right afterwards, they just go back to fighting. Right. Yeah. I mean, I got. I guess I don't really want to conquer this place because we work together to kill some demons. Well, I guess we'll have to see. Will they defeat the team? We'll have to see how it all. Yeah, I suppose you never know. Maybe the demons never know if there is a way. And yeah, for reference, all that's been happening, right? And they're preparing and they're getting weapons to everybody and we see them setting up and then it cuts back. Chongchi is still in the water. And it's like, wait, so he's dead now. Yeah, this is this is like five minutes of screen time easily. It feels like they forgot because it's only a little bit later that we start seeing oxygen being provided to him by little water bubbles flowing into his face and it's like, what the fuck is happening here? What is going on? Yeah, of course, all the army of demons are now attacking and we get our fight number two, where everyone is just using their they even give him a a dragon scale sword attachment for his razor fist arm. Right, right. They rip he rips off the other sword and he gets a dragon scale sword that just jabs in the socket and it's fit fine. Perfect. Perfect. I mean, I'm sure that they're a little the guys could come up with that real quick. Why not? There's also it pans to like Katie and like, oh, my God, I get my bow and arrow of the sister with her weapons. There just has a shot of Ben Kingsley and he's like, you know, it's like, what? I forgot you were here like, why are you here? Like what? I just, I don't know. He's still there. That's the important thing. And probably worth mentioning, I was trying to think of what next, because there's another big thing that I can't wait to talk about. I've complained on it about it in many streams. Three knows how much it upsets me. But I think we're. I think we're at the point where the reveal of a friendly dragon, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. She is still sinking. And suddenly, if kind of find out that the bubbles that he was sucking in to breathe must have been provided by magical friendly dragon on the bottom of the lake must have been provided by a dragon. So, yeah, like all of our team are preparing to fight the army of dragons coming out with a little demon. Sorry. And to their surprise, a dragon burst from the lake with oh, my God, and she is riding it. Wow. So is he going to is he going to come up? Is there an army of crab people nearby he could massacre? No, again, she's kind of like a good guy in this movie. Honestly, it's kind of like still kind of taking me for a loop here. This superhero thing is still like when you see him riding a dragon, it is still kind of just like what the hell is happening in the cinematic? Yeah, exactly. I longed for the days when it was like a guy who built a suit of armor that he just like it's shot was around in that nice terrorist. Like I remember when it was kind of grounded and somewhat coherent. And then you've just got this absolute nonsense. Yeah, it goes off the wall. Just crazy things that's hard to follow with demons and dragons and a giant demon monster and other dimensions like the magic dragon skill weapons. So tired. Literally being sucked out. Yeah. And this is the portion of like what is this is the condensed like sludge thing where you just watching it come out and you're like, I don't I can't. I don't know what the fuck. Oh, yeah, I was at this point in the movie, I was so uninvested by the crap pay off. So I didn't care about anything. I was just boring crap being spewed across the screen that I had no investment in. And this is, yeah, I mean, you're really dead. Even if we got some kind of insight into this this soul sucking mega demon thing, like, what does I actually want? Why is it doing this stuff? Like, what is it? It's actually like motivation. Anything. Yeah, it's just a big thing. That's right. Right. Oh, I mean, it's just, yeah, there's just nothing. I don't care. This isn't a threat. This isn't a character or anything. It's just a big CGI thing that's on screen for a while. That's all you get out of it. And so the water dragon delivers Shang-Chi to his dad and they have fight number two. And now, if you remember, Rags, when when he fought the defender of the forest, the to be wife, remember how she was able to just steal his rings off him for no reason? Yeah, I remember you telling me about that. It was confusing, but very convenient. Can you guess how Shang-Chi manages to defeat his dad? The spirit of his mother give power to steal rings. I don't even maybe but he just steals the rings, because why don't I know? Oh, I get a little fight. Well, how come people didn't do that while he was conquering the world a thousand years ago? I don't know. They didn't believe him, girl. Then required the magic God martial art powers that he got from his arts or something. But it's so arbitrary. And like, because these rings, there is no established connection between the rings and this land and their magic and the dragon or anything. There is there should be no logical reason why he can suddenly gain control of these rings through some mystical martial arts from another dimension. It doesn't frigging make sense at all. Yet he just doesn't. I'll take the rings now. What? Yep. Anything can happen at any moment in this movie. It's that kind of film. Yeah, like where you can't really care about any of the stakes, because there are none, because anything can happen to undo everything that's going on at any moment. And because he's our hero, he he prepares to do a giant ring laser. And then he drops the rings. He's like, no, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to kill you, Dad. But he can keep the rings. But all you can see is that you can keep the rings and also not kill your dad, because if you if you drop the rings, your dad will pick them up. Yes, you have to take them away and you have to be like, dads, I'm going to let you go on this one. But you have to promise not to release any more universe destroying demons. OK. Yeah, enough of that. Ridiculous. So I get I'm kind of confused as to like, yeah, maybe he doesn't want to kill his dad because he's not he doesn't want to be a bad guy. So kind of follows through. But it seems like the movie is trying to make it sell like he's doing this big thing by choosing not to kill his dad. When it's like it doesn't come off as anything significant because yeah, kind of makes sense. Yeah, but then like if he did. But this is the why it's so this is why it's so bad. If he did kill his dad, I still probably would have had the same reaction. It's like, yeah, OK. Yes, that was a bit of a dick. Well, his dad literally like will he he's doing the thing where it's like there's only demons coming out. And he's like, no, I'm pretty sure my wife is in there. I don't want to say I just don't want to let that go. And so big, spooky, horrible demon boss dragon comes out finally and it's like, oh, I'm going to take over the world. And the dad is like, oh, my God, you know what? I might have been wrong. I feel like what could have given me an indication that that was the result. And what if the demon tricks him again? What if the demons like, oh, you know, actually, OK, that last time I was pretending to be your dead wife. Sorry about that. Well, but this time I've actually got like this one's real, though, this next one. So can I just answer someone in in chat who was responding to kind of how I felt there was no strong payoff or reasoning for wanting to save his dad's life or not save his life. And someone responded saying he wants to have a good relationship with his dad, give up the rings and be a good dad. Right. The thing is, again, that's not established in the film. If anything, the film says that Shane Chee wants to frigging get away from his dad because he ran away to live for 10 years on his own and there was nothing ever indicating Shane Chee wanting to have a good relationship, rebuilding. I don't want to have a good relationship with his asshole. Yeah, exactly. And it's like that's why the motivations are so unclear. I have no idea like if it makes sense for Shane Chee to want to be with his dad or not or to kill him or save his life. It's just a mess of contrived garbage that is not explained and you don't have proper motivations at all. It's a mess. It could have been a nice payoff if we'd gotten to see Shang Chee kill that that guy that he was sent to America to kill was on his first mission. And you know, he killed that guy out of anger. And then this time he was able to put his anger aside and and take exactly the moral high ground. But because we never saw that, it doesn't mean anything. This choice and we get nothing out of it. It's hollow, pointless and just nothing. And honestly, before you have time to even consider all that, we get another big payoff if you could call it that. The dragon's out and it seemingly goes to attack Shang Chee. And so his dad is like, no. And puts on the rings that were dropped to the floor uses them to fly over and push Shang Chee down. And thus he takes the hit from the dragon that grabs. This is I'm doing this slowly, so you understand exactly what this the scenario is. It's not working. The dragon grabs the dad, wraps him up and pulls him. Let's say there's a few meters above. And so the situation is dad is captured by soul sucking grand demon and Shang Chee is watching him. Now, if you're the dad rags and you got the rings on, what do you do? So, OK. So the dad bumped Shang Chee out of the way so that, no. I can I can dragons come say it. Yeah, say it again. Well, I don't I'll cut away all the useless stuff for now because this is the important thing. The current situation is big spooky demon dragon has grabbed the dad. The dad is wearing the rings. Shang Chee is watching this happen. What do you do if you're the dad? I use the ring to kill the fucking dragon. That's one idea. One idea. I use that because the dragons project trying to eat me or something. Well, yeah, it's just for context. It's not the good dragon. It's the evil demon. Yeah, that's holding the dad at the moment. Well, why would he want to take himself rags? Yeah, because what? Why? What do you mean? Like, that's why would you want to take himself? Because I don't want to die court. What? I mean, you're sure that that's how he feels? I mean, he like he like used to conquer the world and he wanted to conquer this universe. And I don't seem to want power and. Hey, look, that might make sense. But have you ever considered maybe he wouldn't make that decision? Well, no, not for a nanosecond. His his his just to clarify everything, right? He is in the moment getting his soul sucked out of him and he can make a decision here. And so he decides instead of using the rings to attack the dragon and hopefully release himself to thus be alive to be with his family that he clearly cares about and has now changed his mind on since he killed himself to save Shang-Chi. He instead releases the rings to put them on Shang-Chi. He fires them over to him as a sort of like I'm done, son. You go ahead. And well, that that happens. Shang-Chi receives them and he just watches his dad die. He watches the completion of the soul suction. He doesn't do anything. Oh, so so the dad basically commits suicide and Shang-Chi just stands and watches. Neither of them do anything to save the dad's life. I was pretty weirded out watching it, to be honest with you. I was just like, oh, OK. I could see what payoff they probably wanted to have. They did not do it properly. If you want me to believe he because I know that some people can be like he couldn't use the rings. It's like he used them to magically pass them over to Shang-Chi. Move him on. He used them to give them to somebody else. Yes, using them. He could use them. And if he couldn't, why couldn't he would be the next question? Yeah. And then why wouldn't even if he only had a couple of seconds. Why isn't Shang-Chi doing anything to try and help his dad? That's the other part of it. And of course, you could even be like, well, pragmatically, is he sure that Shang-Chi is capable of defeating? You've had like a lot of these. He's had like literally about what, two, three minutes. Yep. Well, you don't want for it. No, you got you got this, son. Let's hope Shang-Chi is able to pull this off, considering he's only just used these things like for the first time ever. Man, I hope that I hope that he knows what he's doing here. And so, yeah, the dad's dead. It's it's whatever. He's gone. Bye-bye. And Shang-Chi has the rings and he and his sister start riding the good dragon in hopes of battling. Yeah, she's got an incredible grip. Oh, sorry. We didn't. So if she can drive a car, she can drive a dragon. No, that's that's Katie. That's the other. It's like dodgeball. Oh, OK, this is the high look. If you can if you can throw a scorpion thing, you can you can ride a dragon. Don't worry about it. Um, so I'm going to say what happens next in full. And I'm sorry, OK, that it doesn't make any sense. They take the good dragon down into the water and it casts some kind of spell. By the way, before you continue, I just want to say that this movie just sounds like a horrific acid trip. It's yeah. Yeah, it's pointed at this point. There is so much just crap happening on the screen and it's a bit like it's a big it's this weird monster fight that you can't actually properly follow exactly what's going on because there's so much being thrown at you. And it's just and yeah, it just comes overwhelming. The best of face for brother. Yeah, and so and just in case anyone's like, what the fuck? Shang-Chi's sister threw her little scorpion weapon at the evil little pesky demons on a dragon. That's why she earned its trust to ride it. I guess that happens at one point. Damn, dragons be trust and bitches. Yeah, yeah. Oh, when that happens, like the rope thing that she's using magically extends to like an insane length to reach the. Yeah, it's like a half mile long. What is that? The last little truth? Oh, yeah, it's like what the freaking hell? The last little lightning. Oh, yeah, so bad. So again, just to make sure you understand, I just want to make sure you get it right. She's amazing. She and Shang-Chi are riding the water dragon. They dive down into the water and it casts a spell to be able to summon a water tornado to capture the evil dragon while it wraps around them. I'm going to be honest with you and I was watching this part. I had no fucking clue what I was supposed to think about any of it. I was just watching stuff happen. I don't know what to think. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what to because. So here's the thing in my head as you're explaining this, I really am doing my best to just visualize this and picture it. I've got this lake and I've got the dragon in the lake and the water tornado. And I eat my finger even to the little spinny thing as I've seen the tornado. I was like, OK, all right. I don't know. Well, that's when you part one, you know, and I got it. I got to keep going because you got to know what happens next. The tornado of water begins to like freeze naturally. And obviously the evil demon is like, ah, this is really getting to me. I might be screwed now. But then the little flimpy mini demons start providing it souls to eat. And so it breaks out. And that makes it stronger. It abuses with strength. Yes, energy bar goes up. Um, yeah. And so obviously, oh, no, wow. It's so funny to me because the dragon, they talk about film language, right? It's like, we don't know what you want us to think of this. You're like, oh, no, the bad guy is getting its second win. And I'm just saying, you're like, I don't fucking understand this way. What? I don't understand this dragon. I don't know what it does. I don't know what it wants. I don't understand what's happening. It wants to be evil. Um, and so ranks real, real fucking bad thing. How is it breaks out and it like wraps around good guy dragon and starts sucking out its soul. Oh, my gosh. Show your nose. Oh, no, if it sucks the soul out of that dragon, we won't be able to stop it. It'll be too powerful. We've got to save that dragon. It's the kind of explanation. Oh, wait, no, it's the archer friend, wasn't it? I think it was the archer friend. Yeah, she helps them out. So, um, yeah, I just like lines of exposition like that. Reminds me of the, um, he's landing in blah, blah, blah place. That place is populated to make sure no good old Zach's died of reassurance. All right, most of them. So we can finally get to what pissed me off the most in this whole movie. And this might surprise some people because it's so small. This is it. Yeah, well, how you what? Since this sounds like, um, like we're approaching a climax. Oh, you can. Yeah. Well, now's the time to do it. I'm going to go get a drink. If I thought you were going to say that I was, I was guessing. It sounded like that is a good guess. That is a good guess because I do pee often. Yes. Hey, look, drinking water, I can attest to it. It is one thumbs up. Thumbs up. Get it out. Get it out. Yeah. Well, yeah. I'll do that while I'm away. I'll be just a couple of minutes. Then we'll get to our. Maybe if anybody else needs this opportunity, like now might be the time. Go for it. I can hold it because it's an opportunity to talk. Shaddy, do you have something for it? The funny thing is, Shad, I'm not sure that you probably think I'm going to complain about one thing, but I'm actually probably going to complain about the thing that happens right before it. But you're so close, Shad, to being able to unleash. You're you're pain. I'm excited. I did it in just a little. It's got to be funny. Yeah, it's funny. Mola probably hates one thing the most. And I hate something that happens. Well, I know what Mola hates. Yeah, I know. I'll be able to explain mine and then you'll be able to explain the big payoff of the movie and why you hate it so much. I'm sure. Don't worry about it. I love how it's a big payoff and it's like the worst shit ever. It's supposed to be good content and it's just not. Oh, well, it's still best phase four. And Twitter seemed like it's really good. I don't know. Everybody seems to really like it. It's bizarre. I don't get it. I'm not allowed to explain what people are seeing in this movie. Honestly, I think it's just spectacle. Martial arts fighting and flashy lights and yay. It's the Transformers thing. They're just enjoying, you know, like I feel like people are giving it more praise than just the spectacle. That's why I find it so confusing. Like if somebody just said, yeah, no, it's just fun sludge. I would get that. But people were talking about this movie like, no, it's actually really good. Like the actually really good qualifier, you know, it's not just good. It's really good. It's surprisingly. I mean, is there has there been much in the way of like video essays on this yet, like praising the hell of it? Apparently, people is going to make one because he loved this movie. Oh, boy, it was excellent. All right. Fantastic. You know, look, all right, you might have that opinion. That's totally all right. That's what we're here to talk about. This movie is a triumph. I know. I know it's a triumph. I can understand. I mean, man, yeah, maybe keep seeing it described as top three MCU films. No, stop it. It's not three of Phase four. Like that's I think that's that's not in doubt. Though, admittedly, like how many movies have been in Phase four, though? Oh, I mean, like of all of the Phase four content, if we include the shows, I would say that this is the best. But but but understand that when I say the best, we're talking like a three. Like it might even be lower than that at this point. Like the ball that I think about it is. I was going to say you can make a lot of we could talk about the world building for a long time. The character is like, yeah, it's rocky. But it ain't as catastrophic as like everything that's come before so far. Yeah, I think it's fit in. It's frustrating because it's frustrating. I agree when we've been talking about all the things that they could have done with with Shang-Chi and his dad and all the other characters, like all the different selves and payoffs you could have had with them. And they seem to have taken like the least interesting option in every case. It's it's annoying because the building blocks are there. Yeah, there is there is a potentially good story in this very good story. Oh, and how to clarify chat. Spider-Man is technically phase three, but if it was phase four, then yeah, I think far from home is categorically the best one. Compets is better than Shang-Chi. Yeah, yeah, it sounds like it's way more in this crap. Someone who didn't like far from home, I will concede far from home is better than this piece of crap. It's movies of goddamn disaster. Well, shall we shall shall we? Oh, yes. Yes. So, like, you know, what's happening? Big dragons tangled up and evil one is stuck in the soul out of the good one. Terrible. And they they. Yeah, that's right, Moller. I do know what's happening. I know exactly what's happening. But but they pause on this moment, showing the dragon struggling and people reacting and they're really building it up to be. This is a moment in the fight. I'm actually going to give him a bit more backstory. I'm going to become episode nine of Blind Manor. I'm going to I'm going to take us back so that you can get all the context you need for this big payoff that's coming right. Something I kind of left out on purpose when Katie was grabbing those things and she goes to the archery place. The first person to see her is like the archery Lord. Let's just I don't know what the fucking name is an old dude. Very stereotypical kind of like I'm the best like the teacher of the archers here. You you're you're an outsider. You shouldn't be and then she's like training more and more. And when she's in the montage, like, oh, my God, I'm doing well. She looks at him. He's like frowning, like fine. And then when the day comes, she grabs a bow and he's like, no, no, no, no, no. No, like this. I don't know what he says. You are not ready. Yeah, that sort of thing, like, no, no. But then when the wall starts coming down and the demons are coming out, she goes to grab it again. He he sees her and I think he approves just like basically like we're at our wit's end now. So like, yes, we need everybody doing everything they can. And they're they're together throughout the fight scenes doing they're doing a little thing. And he spots it and points out like, oh, shit, this is big, big cheese. You know, this dragon is going to fuck everything up. And so it's almost like they're setting up like it's up to these two. Hey, so it's up to the archer girl who started practicing yesterday. It's it's a university dragon. It's like you could call it archetypal, where you've got the untrustworthy student who's learning and is kind of brash versus the veteran who didn't really want anything to do with it, but is forced to stick with her and they've got to have to do this together sort of thing. And to me, they need to work together to save the dragon, basically, because if they don't save the dragon, the world's going to end, basically. And to me, that's like, all right, there is a through line here. And I can appreciate, you know, like I told you, I can appreciate the fact that Shang-Chi only fought back once his friends were threatened. Stuff like that. I like it. Yeah, you're satisfying me storytelling wise. You just do little things like that. So they get closer and closer to this dragon. They realize what they're going to have to do. They have to shoot it with arrows, dragon scale arrows. I mean, yeah, I'm thinking about exactly how I should. So like the demon has the good dragon. And if the demon sucks out this dragon's soul, it's going to be unstoppable. This is the pivotal, epic moment in the fight that, oh, no, they can't really, who can save the dragon to save a soul? And remember, dragon scale weaponry does affect these spooky demons from this other realm or whatever the fuck. So yeah, it's going to be down to potentially any other players who can do anything at this point, because our players are kind of like struggling with the whole soul sucky thing. And so, yeah, a lot of people have been dying. This whole battlefield is happening. And we see Katie and her veteran archer friend heading over to this soul sucking business because he recognizes this is the end of the world we're dealing with. We don't stop it. Unfortunately, a little serious, you know, a little little goopy demon grabs veteran archer man and kills him. Oh, OK. That sucks. Yeah. It doesn't help. I was going to say the context in which he is grabbed is he's picked up, slowly moved relatively high and then it sucks his soul out over a couple of seconds until it's completed and then drops his body and she watches the whole thing while holding a bow and arrows. Oh, makes you wonder, like, why did you help? Yeah, I was talking about this on real VVC. It fucking angered me watching that. You piece of shit, like you could just let him die. It's it's one of those moments, isn't it? Like when you're watching a movie and somebody who you don't want to die because he's just like a good person to help it out, just dies in a really shitty circumstance. Yeah. And one of those moments. Do you think the people, the writers of this and the director, like pause for a second just to consider this implication? Or were they just like, no one on those? Well, so it's sad. We're getting to the the other thing and I'll let Shad take the reins when we get to the other thing. There is a reason why they need him. They need her to be the one that's going to be firing. OK, now, if you're a shitty writer, you just go, let's kill him so that she'll have to know he gets hurt and he breaks his arm. Exactly what you cannot do it. You have to do it, but I'm not ready to believe in yourself. Exactly. All you had to do was have him get picked up. The thing carries him a couple meters up. She shoots it out. Maybe even misses the first shot and he lands on his arm. It's busted. He cannot use the bow and arrow anymore. She's struggling. She's sweating. And she doesn't know what to do. And he gives her the advice she needs and focuses it and puts remember your training, what you're breathing, ticker, the wind, all that horseshit and you get the arc. That would be the he trusts her and she managed to do it. But no, instead, she just watches him fucking die. I don't get it. Like we I haven't even seen this movie. I just been explained to it and instantly off the top of my head come up with something better and you're like, how? How, though, how do these professionals who have all this time and all this money just like not the funny part is the suggestion is the normal meme. This is like the normal thing you do in a story. Yeah. And then he can be alive to keep training. So that she could show up in later installments. You really want to fucking bring her back. They are. They are. Yes, she's come back. You can see it now when we're doing the whole the aftermath and you have everyone's rebuilding, people are smiling and shaking hands. So and then she walks up to him the following day in the sense of like, I want to train more and he's got his arm in a sling. And he's like, OK, you know, yeah, you get that little montage. Like, oh, how cute. Because, you know, they went through. They're becoming friends. Yeah. Yeah. But no, he's dead. He's dead. Yeah. And remember, this isn't just death. They're getting their souls sucked out of them. I don't know what that means. Like, I don't know if that getting consumed by some kind of horrible demon. Where do you go? Does it go to like, are you inside the demon now? Hi, can you escape? Find another body? Is this like Ghostbusters or? Or like, you know, is everyone else grunting like a peaceful afterlife and you're just like, you're just going into a horrifying existence. Yeah, you know, yeah, I don't know. And so, Shad, you want to. So she's like, oh, he's dead. I'm going to have to do it. And so probably wouldn't upset a lot of other people. I take personal offense because I actually do archery and I know the difficulty it is to train to be out of shoot heavy bows, to be accurate with them and also the their limitations and lengths, the distance we're talking here. She's on the edge of the shore of the well into the middle of the lake. Well, it's half a kilometer at least. It's the distance is insane. I was just briefly just just to give some clarification to the audience. So there is a bulbous mass on the bottom of the dragon's neck. Oh, no, movie, but it's an enemy. It's an enemy weak points. But yeah, continue. Oh, already, like even a hundred and sixty pound war bow would not reach that distance. But this is a magic bow. It's a magic bow. This is the only exhalation. It's a magic bow that can shoot arrows in same distances and can let someone who can't draw back even a piddly, you know, a hundred and forty pound sorry, a forty pound bow. She'll because she would be weak as anything. And so this bow she's using must be like thirty pounds and wouldn't be able to shoot anything. That's a magic bow. OK, so we could just hand wave. All right, it's supposed to do the distance. And then, yeah, she pulls off the most bullcrap shot in existence from what, a day training, literally a day's training. And at that range, it's like, oh, come off. It's no chance. You know, like the, oh, yeah, just, I don't know, luck, some soul of the dead guy gave her strength, even though the soul was consumed by the demon or whatever gave her the capacity to do it. It's literally one of those days. Xmak and a bullcrap, she could do it because we need it in a plot and give her a win because it justifies her being in the story when really there is no reason that she shouldn't even be here at this time to make sure she does something so insanely pivotal that it literally saves everyone's life. Like if she didn't do the world, she literally saved the world, if not for this. And it's so contrived, not our hero, Shang-Chi. All right. Well, yeah, what is Shang-Chi doing during this? We're almost to the, you know, letting his father die. Everyone's everyone. They're all everyone's letting everyone die. I just want to say what it said. Marvel's Katie is what brings down this world ending dimensional demon dragon. Like, it's OK. And yeah, it's the contrivance is insane. We have to accept it must be a magical bow. We have to accept that she either trained and got insane, incredible skill or as latent or just accept that it was literally not even a one in a million. This is the shot should technically be impossible because of the range. It's a one in a trillion. So it's it's an insanely like difficult shot over the wind. Okay, considering her skill and all that crap. And we just have to accept she just did it because reasons is special or something. And so like I'm so checked out of this film at this time. But this is such bull crap that even this part and especially with my own, you know, background archery legitimately pissed me off. I was like, oh, come off it. Are you? Yeah. She knows. So Katie holds off the bow. She now she knows the shot shoots it in the little flume thing that glows and it releases the good guy dragon. Yeah, the magical energy. Right, giving Chongxi the opportunity he needs to save the world. Thanks, Katie. And Rags, you may be wondering how. What was that story? Statistically, I'm wondering how do you believe that Chongxi will now deliver the finishing blow to this dragon demony thing? He uses the rings to surround the dry. Is this like an eastern dragon where it's long and spindly and shitty? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, that's right, but maybe it's like he like the rings. They like form it. Like they like get it like a cone, you know, and they squeeze it. And then it just like turns into dust or something. And you're pretty close, actually. Am I? Yeah, you're pretty. Well, in reverse, in reverse. You're close. Yeah, kind of in reverse. But yeah, just for full context for everybody listening, Rags. She the Chongxi sister throws the scorpion on a rope blade thing to the good guy dragon. They wedge open the mouth of evil dragon by doing that. And Chongxi fires all of his rings down the dragon's throat and then like spins him around in its belly and explodes. Yeah, it's like the spinning builds up. We see the lights from its stomachs and they swirling around and they build in speed and speed. And Shang-Chi is just holding his arms in a certain way with concentration like his willing the rings to spin. And then he does this pose where he literally just switches his arm positions like is switching a lever and then the ring suddenly burst out in this sphere of energy and just that that's this is all well Shang-Chi is falling through here. But he just keeps falling forever. Like, how is he? How is he so good with these rings to do all these complex? He's trained with them for like one minute. I think that's a long time in in some ways. So remember when you thought this would just be like a cool martial arts movie, a sludge, get some sludge. Well, no, that was it. It would be cool if it was because you'd have an understanding of like the stakes and it would be relatable. And it'd be nice to be down on the ground again in the MCU. Yeah, you know, vulnerable. But no, we got to fight dragon and kill it with these magical rings. Yeah, I mean, imagine just I mean, yeah, just imagine like a good kick ass martial arts battle between him and his father. Like, yeah, you can have a bit of a bit of like, you know, crouching tiger head and dragon stuff where they're they're fucking go for it. Why not, you know, heighten it a little bit. But it's still ultimately two humans fighting each other instead of this overblown monstrosity, where it's just insane shit happening, constantly getting thrown at you. It's it's just like a mystical version of the Transformers films. That's all you got here. It's so over the top. Another idea. You don't know you don't know the strengths, limits and extents of the dragon or the demon or the rings. And because of that, you're you can't be invested in. Oh, is he going to do something creative? We don't know if you can do it because the rings seem to have this really limited type of use. They have to be shot off, except when they need to do something special like block a shotgun blast. That's almost point blank. They can just do that now. It's a scatter shot, but fine. They can block that or they can make a magical shield from arrows or or now they can just do this weird ball energy kung fu come maya maya blast. They could just do whatever frigging needs to be done for the sake of whatever is the plot. And because it's just literally whatever they they can do whatever they want, if there's no one that you don't care. It's like, oh, the dragon, we don't know the monster, we don't know. And the rings, they're just doing stuff without any understanding or context of the limitations and what's being achieved. And it's completely hollow and falls flat. And you're just watching lights on a screen. That's how it feels. And once again, it's not just that they fail at doing the stuff they want to do. You wonder why they wanted to do some of this stuff instead of the obvious choices that have satisfying points in them. Why did you do that to death dealer? Why did you have the dad and the son like that's the death scene? Why did you have the teacher Archer get killed in front? Like, what is it? It's like they've not seen stories before. It is just it is mind boggling because at this point, he's like, you do the obvious thing, but it's just like satisfying to watch. And especially if the actor is good and you've built up this relationship, you're like, yeah, she did it. I'm so glad she was able to do it. And I'm glad that, you know, she the master is proud of her and she earned his respect and he was skeptical of this outsider and that sort of thing, but it all came together. And now it's just like, no, he's fucking dead and it's all shit. This is our triumph. Reminds me of and with him a lot of this movie is our triumph. And if the old guy, say, was alive, but broken arm, it could have justified that bull crap shot somehow in some way that at least would have made it well, not as bad as it was. Like, I don't know. The old guy, he's a kung fu. Somehow is able to temporarily give her some of his own understanding capacity or something through some bull crap country magic. I think the range correction needs to be done in general, right? Pull them all out, get everyone way closer. But like, I think it's fixed enough if you just have him giving her loads of advice, even if it's kind of generic advice, honest. Yes, even that, even that would have been orders of magnitude better than what happened because you're appreciating the the the aspect of old teacher who knows exactly how to do the shot is telling the students how to do it. We can we can sit there and appreciate that as an action happening. Oh, they do that. Oh, they do that at the end of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Oh, yeah, they do. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. What he said, he says, take your time. He says that, like, right before he's take your time, but watch your breathing. And that was even good because it was set up earlier in the movie. He missed the show to see that for you. Fat movies, we need to do that. I bet that's fan health level. Yes, I can't. Yeah. I bet it's great. I was going to say, by the way, a film that totally does what we're talking about in terms of just storytelling choices. Mask of Zorro, like, throughout that, it's doing all of the things. Yeah. Yeah. But it like it's doing them so very well that it's very it's not like someone said, I could have predicted this whole story. I'd be like, yeah, but it's good, though. Like it's they've done it well. That's what matters. And the you know, they fucking bugs me about this whole subversion thing. It's like, well, instead of having him break his arm, she saves him. And he tells her how to do this shot. Why don't you just die? And you can just picture the people in the boardroom being like, yeah, yeah, just kill it. They just fucking die. Yeah, fuck this guy. Yeah. And then, yeah, the dragon, not the demon thing explodes because Shang-Chi can just use the rings better than anyone else. And all the other the mini demons all just die as well. He he like does a pulse to the brick wall thing and he like resets it just becomes strong again, I guess. So they kill all the ones that got out, including the big one and the gate is sealed again. Done and done. Imagine explaining that to the other Avengers. By the way, Will was almost destroyed because the Black Widow interrupts like, no, no, no, no. The world was almost taken over by Dracoff in my spare day off. Yeah, they start telling the same story, but then it starts to diverge. It's like, wait, what? Dragon is this all like, wait, what Russian secret agents? And then then Loki shows up and he's like, man, you guys won't believe what's happening right now. And like, really happened in between movies. Yeah, I doubt you can top an espionage agency or drag and take it to the world. He's like, I can top it. I can see your asses down, ladies and gents. We're going to take a wild ride. Um, first, like, like, I guess, because like these people who listen to EFAP, that that's how they consume the MCU now because fuck watching it. So once this all happens, you have Shang-Chi and Katie are talking to their friends that they were talking to earlier in the movie and explaining the whole story of the film. And they're like, how ridiculous. You are valets and I slaying dragons. Like, what the fuck? And before they can like, they don't believe the story, basically. And in the background, a portal opens and Wong comes through and he's like, are you Shang-Chi? Do you have the 10 rings? Come with me. And they go through his little portal, him and Katie. Because for some reason he also needs that he needs Katie to come as well. Well, she's a smith. She killed it or helped kill a giant demon. And she's a magical bullcrap kung fu archer now. So she's the next person on, you know, to take over Hawkeye's job. And so and that's well, there's a second or is that that's not after credits. That's like a part of the film. Um, yeah, part of it. Is there one or two after credit scenes then? There's two after credit scenes. Do you want to take them? So the first after credit scene, Shang-Chi and Katie are hanging out with Wong, presumably in the Sanctum Sanctorum. And they are like, hmm, these rings, they're like older than Earth, basically. They are super crazy. And then Bruce, who is a human now again, is like, oh, no, wait, how? Yeah, we have no idea. We'll have to find out in the show. She-Hulk, I guess. Watch next content, guys. And then yeah, he's like, I don't recognize these. And then Captain Marvel's there in the court, like on a hologram. You know, it's so funny. I put Captain Marvel out of my mind so much that when she appeared, it literally reminded me that she existed in the MCU. And I was like, oh, yeah. And so and she's like, oh, yeah, I've never seen these in space either. So it's like, all right. So basically, the whole point of this scene is you will find out about the legend of the 10 rings in the next movie, not this one. And then- But that's what this one's called. Yeah, I know. It's kind of bullshit, isn't it? And yeah, so they're like, oh, sorry, gotta go. It was presumably to do her movie. And then Hulk is like, yeah, I gotta go as well. And then they sing karaoke. And that's the end of the first- With Wong. Wong joins in the karaoke. Yeah, with Wong. And it's so funny because it's Wong. Yeah. Wong rhymes with song. It was set up. It was, yeah. And then the second one is basically the sister is now in charge of the 10 rings organization. But she's training women as well. So it's okay that she's now got to be a criminal. The subversion was that Shang-Chi actually says his sister has left to dismantle to dismantle his father's organization. But this, after credit scene, subversion, she's not dismantling it. She's controlling it. She's gonna make it better than it ever was before by making it all female. I think it wasn't all female, it was all female. Now women get to fight, that's right. Now women get to join terrorist organizations. So now it's sort of training men and getting a head start. So, oh. So yeah, that's our movie. What people won't mention is the rings ascending a signal. A signal, yeah. Which a lot of people like to say. Like the mother boxes. Is it gonna be Galactus? Is Galactus gonna come up from there? Wow. I guess it's like assume that like Captain Marvel, whatever she's getting up to in her adventure will be related maybe. I don't think Captain Marvel. I think Captain Marvel's gonna be a real weird kind of bizarre thing with the Marvels. So there's gonna be Monica Rambo as a Marvel. There's gonna be Miss Marvel. Miss Marvel, yeah. So I think it might be tight with the Eternals. Yeah, well, cause I'm just trying to remember cause I think the release schedule was, Eternals was meant to come out first before COVID stopped. So I think the timeline was, in fact, I think Shang-Chi was meant to come out. Yeah, so I think it was like Widow, then Eternals, then Shang-Chi. I can't remember what was after that. Fuck yeah, I'm blanking. I think Spider-Man, that's right. So I'm not sure if that changed or anything in the meantime. I don't know that I particularly care at this point about what they're trying to set up. That's the movie though. Yeah, that is what Shang-Chi, everyone. Lodge. So Rags haven't heard our stellar summary there. What's your overall impressions of Shang-Chi? I give it an eight triumphs out of 10. Wow, high school. Triumph indeed. Obviously the Eternals will likely get a similar treatment from us cause I don't care about that either. But the problem is I do care about stories that are gonna be coming after these ones. Like Spider-Man and Doctor Strange and Guardians of the Four, yeah. I do not have much hope for Thor. I don't have much hope for any of it, to be honest with you. I'm hoping that Thor will be fun. Yeah, hopefully Tyker can make me laugh. You can do that usually. This is the thing, as much as he did that with Ragnarok and it was nice because Dark World was so grim and stodgy. I'm not sure I want him to do that again. I'm just like, yeah, there's only so much you can make Thor into a laughing stock before like I just lose interest in the character. I think that Ragnarok actually does do some meaningful stuff for Thor's character. I've come around the position that it's... I used to think like, man, this is such a heel turn or like a pivot, but I don't think that I feel strongly that way anymore. I think that Ragnarok has enough meaningful stuff in terms of recognizing almost like what his role is supposed to be in Asgard. It's not like a huge part of that story, but it is a part of it. That I feel like there's reason to believe that there may be some character stuff here. My concern is more about priorities in the new one. Like how much time are we going to spend on Thor rather than everybody else? Because like Jane Foster's coming back, you've got to spend time on that because she hasn't been in it for like 10 years. You know, I'm not opposed to Jane Foster coming back and perhaps she remakes me all near and gets like four like powers. I'm not actually opposed to that. So long as they don't belittle and destroy Thor so he can make way for this new wonderful female characters. Like if they can strike a balance or still give Thor all the credit he deserves and it's still his film, I'm just like, yeah, bring it on. Let's expand the story and stuff. But man, I'm worried that it's me. I mean, Endgame just kind of took his role away from him. Yeah, I think Endgame totally screwed it up. Yeah, like this being the ruler of Asgard which was essentially what all of his movies were about preparing him for, like giving him that maturity and wisdom. Especially when he's next to Loki, you know? I think that's Endgame's fault though, not Ragnarok. Yeah, that's fair. I think all of us like Thor in Infinity War too. I like him in Infinity War a lot. That's a good one. He might have been my favorite character in that movie. But then, yeah, he's giving it all up. Valkyrie's now going to be the ruler of Asgard. Jane Foster's going to be the new Thor essentially. What the fuck is this guy going to be doing now? It is. Everything's up in here. I have no idea how this is going to work. I'll give it a shot. But again, I've got no hope for the future of the MCU. Yeah, it's super concerning the place you're in now. Because this is like, we've got, we've had six MCU properties in a row that have just been disasters in like every regard pretty much from character world building plot. Yeah, I mean, Shang-Chi is probably the best one of a character. I think it's the best one because he wasn't a dick. Yeah, he's actually he is actually a kind of heroic character. And yeah, if I had to pick amongst all of them, it's the least bad. Yeah. But that is what it is. It's not offensively bad. Is that his personality is OK. You could go along with it. He doesn't achieve anything substantial or, you know, there's no great payoff in the film. But I agree, in terms of just as a character, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it just it's like I said earlier, it just feels like so many great elements were there that you could have done so much with in this movie. It just feels like a wasted opportunity. Yep, I'm inclined to agree with that. I think I think that there is something here that could have been worthwhile, whereas I feel like that less so when I look at like Black Widow could have been really cool, too. But like barely any of the worthwhile stuff was in the film was all stuff that you could theorize and talk about. Yeah, different different stories entirely that you could tell. Well, there is a story here. It's just squandered. Fuck, man, I'm not looking forward to like what's coming next. I'm worried about Hawkeye. I'm worried about what they're going to like that. This is the first opportunity to actually start. And they're going to totally discard him. A tonal is it's like, man, how much retconning are we going to do now to like introduce these characters in? Super worried about Spider-Man. Doctor Strange, I'm terrified of what they're going to do. So it's written by the guy who made Loki. The three still have words. All right, there's a moment in the Spider-Man trailer that just man is making me not only worried, but it made me even hate the trailer and what they're setting up in the thing because my my massive annoyance, one of the reasons I hated far from home was how stupid Peter Parker was. I just felt made so many dumb decisions and things. But in the trailer for this one, he does something astronomically dumb. It's like, what? You haven't thought about the fact that if you are memories, you are your aunt and MJ's memories might erase. Oh, and you only bring it up now and you're interrupting this crazy, dangerous spell world. Are you a frigging moron? Well, that's that's the concern, right? Hopefully the trailer is bullshitting us. That's not how the scene actually played out in real life. I was going to be as big a moron as he was in the last film. And I'm well, so I I don't think he was a moron and far from home, but in terms of this particular scene, the concern is it's like, well, they they lie in like these Marvel trailers a lot, like to mislead you or like have lines that aren't in their road or characters appear. Yeah, no, I know, that's that. So the attitude we had with Wanda vision, I think Falcon and the Soldier a little bit, even with Loki, certainly the wider audiences that we're crossing was just wait. They'll make it make sense. And I am so fucking tired of trying to move forward in the back foot all the time. Just wait, it'll make sense. Yeah, why can't it make sense? And do you guys remember the concept of like what's in your expectations usually means is like you actually have a through line and then it turns out it's a whole different through line that also makes sense. You know, oh, shit. OK, instead of none of this makes any sense, maybe it will at the end. Yeah. And again, it's like how much good faith does the MCU get to have at this point? None, zero. Well, if that's how predictions work, right, we're basing it off past examples like we are in the dire position right now. I predict that no way home is going to be bad. Prediction. Hmm. As you remember, we were talking about this when we watch Birds of Prey, it's like, do we predict? What do we predict about the suicide squad? And we were like, good, I don't see why it wouldn't be good. It's free control, new IP based on these going to take very little from the world that he's a part of. James Gunn. And it turned out to be as we gave it a five. It's scored directly in the middle. You know, we were incredibly pleased with it. Yes, I was incredibly pleased to have a five. Give me more fives, I swear. Like if the MCU hits Iron Man two levels of quality, that's where it's at now. We miss those days. I mean, is this now just a result of like bringing in whole new writing stuff? I don't have the experience and the talent to put together films like that. Don't have the talent. I think it's a matter of misplaced priorities and a few regards. I think, first of all, nobody is interested in writing a story that fits into this universe. They want to do their own thing. They want to use other characters. They want to get that cool aspect of the shared universe sort of format of like, hey, we can have Wong show up and abomination. Isn't that cool? Like we don't really care about how well our story fits into this universe, which one do whatever we want. And then like the second one is, yeah, and then the second one is just content. There's the next one. Hey, look, guys, get excited for next media and the next show and next movie. Like it feels like the cycle for MCU stuff is like, people were excited in this movie when they saw Abomination in the trailer. And it's like, but you're kind of only excited to see what he will do in the next story. Like it feels like we don't give a fuck about the story that we're doing right now. We only care about what's coming next, the next show, the next movie. Oh man, we're going to see Galactus all look celestials, isn't that crazy? Oh my God, Abomination, yay. It's fucking and if you're telling stories with that goal in mind, you're never going to be really fucking hard to write something good because it's like your priorities are just totally misplaced. I think it's really noticeable when it's like a legacy character as well, like with Black Widow. It's like, yep, clearly that entire movie was just to get you pumped for the new Black Widow. Yeah, basically, like this exists to create it and it's probably going to be the same for Hawkeye as well. It's like, so we're going to get joined for Hawkeye because you're like, oh, Hawkeye is going to get his own movie cool. It's like, but probably the point of this show is Kate Bishop, like she's the new one she'll take over. And it's the same probably with fucking, like, God, what's the same with Thor? It might be, yeah, it might be. Hemsworth cannot make movies in him. I really don't want it to be a moment where Hawkeye says don't make my mistakes to Kate Bishop. Like, I don't want that scene. Please don't. You can be a better Hawkeye than me. It's like, I fucking kill you. I swear to God. Yeah. Your magical vaginal powers, you will be the Hawkeye that I never could be. And it feels like that's the, that's just the thing now. We're going to get you in with this character that you like, we're going to kill them, destroy them, but that's okay because there's a better version of them because Yelena is better Black Widow. Yep. And Kate Bishop will probably be better Hawkeye. She-Hulk will probably be better Hulk. Fucking, what the, what other shit is coming out? Wanda is better than Dr. Strange, even though he kind of came afterward. But I mean, that seems to be, yeah. It just feels lame. Like you just sort of transferring the care that people have for certain characters onto these new characters without putting in the effort. And there's no reason. There's no reason why you can't have the passing of the mantle and have it work. It's so cynical. Like you got to put in the work to do that. Why? It is cynical. Why do you believe you can't just build up a character on their own? Why? Like, just do it. You can. Well, yeah, because you, that would, yeah, but that would interrupt the momentum. They just have to keep it moving. They have to keep the assembly line going. And so it just has to be quick and efficient. Get the old one out, get the new one in. This is the most efficient way to do it. You're absolutely right. Like it's way more efficient to have Yelena be in Black Widow. Hey, look, you abandoned me. You suck. Not like me. I'm awesome. I had a traumatic experience, but I'm incredibly funny and. Well adjusted. Funny. I'm, yeah, I'm snarky and everybody likes me. I'm really cool. You flip your hair. That's weird. And you sleep. Yeah. And, and hey, look, all right. You can transfer all of that goodwill to me and then I can do the new Black Widow stuff. She shames Black Widow in a scene. She's like, you suck. And Black Widow's like, I do. She's like, yeah. I do suck. Like you look Yelena. You're awesome. You and your first movie. You are amazing. Yeah. Black Widow 2 is likely to happen. Right? Black Widow 2 and it'll just be all about Yelena. It's definitely gonna happen. Yeah. Like Loki. That was really just a bit sad. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if you were to talk about humiliating a character. Jesus Christ. Like getting punched in the face, kicked in the balls. Pathetic. Yeah. He's a little puppy for her in the whole season. I don't know how he describes her to the other Loki's. Like, she's incredible. Yeah. Again, it's just exactly like what we were saying. It's like she's the new Loki and she's better than the original. Yeah. So you've got way too many examples of this. It's getting weird. It's a trend. It's a trend. It's a trend at this point. This is just the way that it's done. I'm like, they're gonna look back at one point and be like, wait a minute. People don't love the new characters. What happened? We did all of the things we were supposed to do, right? It's like, I guess you could say that. Right. I guess that. But people do. People fucking love Yelena. I just, I kind of hold out hope that she won't be like, it's a different kind of love for weird as that sounds. The kind of Twitter love that dies after a week where it's like, it's amazing. Either get it happened. Yeah, like, it's like, oh, my favorite character. You know, you take someone who adored Black Widow in a year's time, you ask them who's Yelena and they're like the mum, I think. You're like, yeah. Yeah, how many people are going to remember? Like, people don't remember what Captain Marvel was about. Like, nobody remembers that plotline. Dude, people who hated Captain Marvel have trouble with it, too. I don't blame them. The plotline for these movies is all meshing together. Who's going to remember Shang-Jie's fucking plotline? Oh, my God. This is like some kind of nightmare in Tokyo. The magical forest is the dragons behind the wall that sucks souls. No one's going to remember this. It's like, yeah, it's like you just, you go in and you absorb this garbage for like a couple hours and then walk out with no idea what you've just seen. And then it just fades away and then you move on to the next thing. And you're not even sure why you're eating for it anymore. Like, Jesus, this is movies now. This is what we're consuming. I do hope in some ways that it crashes and burns and it forces them to get better at their fucking jobs. Oh, absolutely. I want it to crash and burn. It needs to, we need to reset. It ain't, though. It ain't, though. It ain't, that's right. It's not going to happen. This movie is doing better than the other one. Well, I'm talking long term, like maybe in 10 years sort of thing. Wow. I mean, I'm pretty sure that they're, because I think they recently confirmed the dates for eight more movies in like 23 and 24. They're doing four movies a year now. And they're doing like five shows a year too. I'm pretty sure there are like five shows coming out next year. Genuinely going to be hard for us to keep up as soon as the Star Wars shows start rolling out as well. Well, yeah, because they got to pump those ones out too. At least we won't have, we won't be running out of things to talk about guys. Hey. I'm trying. Yeah, I'm sorry. I just, I just feel tired now. Yeah. I just feel tired. I'm so tired. It's not too much content. It's like I had, it's like I had a nice ice cream once and then someone was like, oh, you like this fucking ice cream, do you? Well, I've got 10 more gallons here and I'm going to make you eat all of it. No. The silo that just pubs into your house. So anyway. The thing is. Go ahead. It also means if the content doesn't improve though, like I didn't want to watch Shang-Chi. I like it. I was not interested in it, but I did want to review it because I had a lot of my audience who was wanting to get feedback and to find out what was. So I watched it for them, but it almost feels like I have to punish myself now for all this crap. Like I don't want to watch the Eternals or the whatever they are. But it's probably going to be super important, like in terms of long-term goals. If they're introducing Celestials and stuff, this is probably like one of the more important ones. So I was like, well, I got to watch it now. I got to watch it. I didn't want to watch Shang-Chi. This is going to end up being all that's on. You know what I mean? You know in Demolition Man, how like the only restaurant that's left is Taco Bell. Like it's going to be like that. Like you go to the cinema and fucking all that you'll be able to watch is Marvel movies, there'll be nothing else. That's a concern, isn't it? Because when you look at the stuff that's coming out, it's mainly Marvel stuff that is consistently making money, like reliably. Someone said with the profit they made from Endgame, it would take flops for a decade to even see losses from that. Is that true? For like, well, Endgame made two and a half billion dollars on I think combined budget marketing of something like 600 million dollars. So that's a lot of money. And of course you got to- That's funding for like six more movies. I was going to say they clearly, it's amazing to watch, but they're clearly trying to catch Star Wars back up with the MCU after TLJ and Solo. And so like, they're going to pump out TV shows and movies for both sides of these IPs just everywhere. Disney, they're just everywhere. You know for a fact they buy it all if they could. They've turned it into such an efficient process where like where you can have one studio producing like four movies and four TV shows a year that can come out every couple of months. So it's never not on. You get access to like all of the talent you want in terms of actors, visual effects, set design and all that. Like, it's like a snowball that just keeps building up. And it's like the momentum just doesn't seem to be stopping. Like it would, it seems, the fact that they got eight dates confirmed for like the next two years, that shows like an astounding level, maybe not astounding, but just like such a high level of confidence in this IP that it would take several failures for them to probably reconsider what they're doing. Like the effects of all of these really shitty things, it may take some time for us to actually see the results of them. We're calling it out now. But maybe audiences will eventually when they realize like I don't need to watch any of this stuff ever again. Maybe I didn't think it was that good. I don't know. Maybe, yeah. You know, it's got me wondering as well, like they've obviously done it with Marvel. They're doing it with Star Wars. Are they going to do it with Indiana Jones as well? Cause this could be another example of like, he's, you know, Ford's getting retired. They're talking about bringing in Phoebe Waller-Bridge just like some kind of new Indiana Jones. Are they then just going to start pumping out Indiana Jones movies every year or two? The TV show. I think if they could they would. If I think that's a big thing. It wouldn't surprise me if they just do this format with almost everything. Like there's an Indiana Jones TV show, Harrison Ford cameos in episode one. And it's mainly about, I don't know, a family member, all Phoebe Waller-Bridge. And it does well enough because of the amount of money they pump into it and plaster it everywhere. And then they make three shows about the Indiana Jones universe with different characters. They're just like, Jesus Christ, stop, please stop. I just saw someone in chat say there will be a tipping point where everyone gets over it. I remember in like 2013 when people were saying there's too much Marvel stuff coming out. Like when they looked at the slate for the next few years. And there is three times more content. There's like three times more content coming out now than at that time. And people are not bored of it. I've been watching Red Light Media for a long time and I remember them back in phase two being like the fatigue is setting in. This is the fatigue is here. It's like, and they've even said, like, yeah, we've been wrong about that a couple of times at this point. It's like, yeah, it's hard to tell, honestly. I think so. And it just seems like they've almost honed into the perfect way to do it, which is constantly teased. We have enough money that we can get any of the actors and like the characters whenever we want. Yeah, I don't know. I get super worried thinking about the future of this series and just content in general media. And plus, this has gone on so long. We're talking about, you're just getting, think of all the new people who grow up and get to that age where they're interested in this. Just new people rolling in. It's like Star Wars. It's like Generations. It's all ready to be picked up on these streaming. It's like, come in, come watch. And then they start with IMM-1 and they're like, wow, this is neat. And then I honestly, no offense to kids and stuff, but they'll watch I have had, they'll eventually see Shogchi. They will tell the difference. They're just like, this is fun. I love all this. Fun adventures through space and time. Who knows what'll happen next? I'm so excited to see Abomination and that incredible villain from the Incredible Hulk, 2008. He had his ears. That was a big complaint, right? He didn't have his ears. And now he does have his ears. See, they're listening to you. What, is he a character? Well, that doesn't really matter. He's here. That's all that matters. Well, I mean, to a degree, the consumers dig their own grave, right? We understand this. This is reciprocal. You have to defeat it from the ground up as well as trying to tell the writers to do better. It starts with us. The writers are telling us to do better now. Oh, yeah, true. Yeah, that's right. We need to do better. All right. Welcome to the DOOM of podcast. Yes, as you could see, there was very few things we even complimented about this film. We tried. Yeah. It's unpleasant to watch the character, the main character is thin as fuck and acted by someone who I'm not sure he cared that much. Like I'm trying to go from like how I felt right now. And I was like, it just wasn't much of anything, this film. And then most of it, I was just getting like annoyed at how much I can't make sense of anything. Like, yeah, there's not that much that I think it. And I guess that that would be the question, right? Is even if we put aside all of these plot issues and things that we've talked about, what exactly are you? What the people who really love this, what are you pulling from it? What is it? What is it about the film that is so amazing? I don't get it. I don't get it. I really don't. I mean, well, right at the beginning I was talking about the screenshots from Cinema Wins. One of the things he points out as a plus that wins for Black Widow is a huge point of flaw for me in my video. Yeah. So sometimes you just got no fucking clue what's going on. You'll have, remember the guy we covered who said, Loki finally makes the world make sense now. And we were just sitting there like, are you fucking nuts? What the hell? I wonder if, yeah, I wonder if sometimes these people just read the room. And it's like, ah, the general consumer sentiment is positive for this movie. So fuck it, I'll just think up some reasons to praise it. Loki's good. He's crazy. Totally makes sense. Loki goes on a great arc. That's what people probably want me to say. I mean, and this is the thing I was pretty critical of Loki. And yeah, I didn't get a great response to that review. And I was surprised, you know? It's that one that's surprising, yeah. I was like, are you people seeing a different show than the one I saw? Because like, man, they had serious problems. I honestly think it's because of Tom Hiddleston and how fun the dynamic is and how crazy it was. Like, whoa, different multiverses traveling through time. Oh, it's so interesting. The 60s aesthetic is cool. Yeah, and it's funny. I'm sure they described it as funny. Like, this is what I mean, because you get, of course, right, the next film to come out, Eternals. If we have a whole stream shitting all over it, there can be plenty of people who even watch eFab and be like, you guys just hate everything that comes out for Marvel. Apparently none of it has been good. And all I can do is say, like, we've gone through these in detail. Like, I don't know what else you want us to do. The Suicide Squad, if that was in the MCU for whatever reason, that would have been a positive review, I guess. Yeah, it's like, do we have to go back now and like cover good ones? Like, we have to go and cover our man or something. But I mean, Eternals is one of those ones where I'm like, I'm kind of super interested because there's this clear push that's happening now in the marketing that like, man, an Oscar-winning director is making this one. So like, it feels like they're doing that hardcore push of like, nah, see, this is, now we're doing some real high art shit. And then we'll probably watch it. It's probably gonna be sludge. Like, it's probably what it will be, again. I mean, it looks like a film with not an ounce of personality to it. Like, all the trailers I've watched, I have just looked at this like, this is like a fucking bowl of porridge. Like, it just does absolutely nothing. It feels like it's sludge and that it's retroactive, sort of said this so many times. It feels like it's retroactively trying to market it as like high art when it probably started as sludge. Yeah, because of the name they've got attached to it. That's the only reason. Well, because she won an Oscar after, yeah. She won an Oscar. So it's like, oh, shit. But then it's a question of like, how much freedom do you have? And even if you have freedom, what does that mean if like, your priorities when telling the story to tell your own story, rather than try to fit it into it? Which is only the worst the more time goes on. Oh, it keeps getting worse and worse because it becomes harder and harder to justify. Like, why didn't the eternal show up to fight Thanos? You can't have that line in the trailer. It's just like, oh, we told, we weren't lads. That line, I don't know. Honestly, it annoyed me so much when I watched the trailer because not long after the line, they're trying to say how much they love Earth and all that stuff is like, wow. Yeah, you love Earth, except when you're told not to help it. It's like, cut off it. That line is middle of it. I don't love it that much, do you? Yeah. I have a passing affection. A fling at most. The interesting definition of love. I'll just say that. I mean, the way that you adjust to it, or be out of just fine, is that the celestial beings literally took away their powers and made them regular people during the events of what's happened in the MCU. That's the only way you could almost pull it to explain what they're not getting involved. But I don't think they're going to do that. I think they're going to have had their powers. And I bet the writers think that explanation, we were told not to, will be inside it. They think that's enough. We got it. Yep, that'll do it. That'll do it. I absolutely think that they think that that's enough. And it ain't. And it ain't. Interesting. Yeah, it really isn't. It really isn't. It just isn't. So I find it really interesting to think about what the average regular average Joe person, how they gauge quality in movies. And I find it, yeah, it's just a very interesting thing. And what I'm kind of seeing, especially with the reaction to legitimately bad movies, that people say are great, is because they enjoy really surface level stuff. Action, funny. Hey, I laughed, therefore it's good. Or I enjoy it, therefore it's good. And part of the reason why I find that interesting, because I apply it to myself and try and think about, all right, what are the legitimately bad things I've watched that I've enjoyed? And I actually enjoyed the Mandalorian, but for very surface level, basic stuff. And so sometimes I think our own standards or needs are very minimal. We don't need much. And if we get given that small little bit, we will just accept and consume, basically. And it's kind of depressing when we equate it to quality, though, because it's like- Those little bits we were talking about fixing, little fixes here and they like that thing with the archer, or maybe with the dad, he really tries to save the dad and the dad is just unsavable because of the dragon. And all these different decisions are throughout. It would have made me like the movie more if I could see that they failed to do what some good-hearted storytelling, they were just like, you can tell, they were trying to do, and you're like, I could feel for it, I wish you had done it better, blah, blah, blah. Well, the other side to how I think regular people consume, even though sometimes it doesn't take much for them to end up liking something. Give them flashy lights, action scene, big spectacle, they'll like it. I think even the average moviegoer still almost subconsciously has a standard or understanding of what true quality is and it's reflected by the movies that truly remain and have a reputation that lasts longer than they're. It's like no one's gonna be talking about Shane Chi in 10 years, it's gonna be forgotten. It's a piece of crap. And nothing in this movie that people watched really impacted them on a deep emotional level that they're gonna carry with them for their life. Like, compare that to that emotional payoff in the last Jedi with Luke versus Vader. That is something that hits with such an impact. Return to the Jedi? Return to the Jedi, yeah, return to the Jedi. Goodness, return to the Jedi. That it hits with such an impact. When that sentence started, I was like, yeah, where's this going? Yeah, hits with such emotional impact that it stays with someone for their whole life. And so even if they can't voice or are able to look at a movie in really deep detail of the writing, the structure and all that stuff, I think even regular people have this deeper understanding of something, of a type of movie or quality of story that actually means something. Again, it's reflected by those shows and movies that stick with us in the long run that we remember fondly back in the day and even can actually change us a bit on an emotional level because it impacted us so much. Those are the things that really last. And I think even regular people have that sense, exactly, even regular average Joes have that sense. And so all these, you know, SAS to make film reviews and stuff and trying to justify how great Shane Chee is. All right, yeah, yeah, all right. Let's see what you're saying in 10 years and you might still say it's good, but really is it that good? How many people are remembering Shane Chee with true fondness, you know? I think that says a lot more. Well, you're in luck because you might get that wonderful moment from Return of the Jedi. Like again, Vader's gonna be turning up in the Obi-Wan TV show. Maybe we'll have plenty of payoffs for it. I'm sure you'll love it, Shad. That's not gonna be a nightmare to watch either. Aiden Christensen in the suit and he'll be like, Obi-Wan, you're a dick. It's gonna be great. It's like watching someone take all your treasured possessions and burn them. And do a funny dance while they're still down the road. They pick up whatever particular character it is and then they say, this person is this now, completely opposite of what they were, and then they toss him into the fire. You're like, right, thanks. Don't you like my new character, though? His name is Shleep. He's better than Luke ever was. I appreciate Shleep. I appreciate Shleep, please. He's good, isn't he? He's wonderful. He's amazing. Because everyone wants to see more stuff with Rey. Everyone loved it. She's great. Luke, though, when he showed up at the end of Mandalorian season two, from what I could tell, everybody was very upset. Everyone was very sad. Yeah. Oh, not this, absolutely. Not this character. No one likes this character. If Rey were there, it would have been so... It would have been pretty funny, actually. Oh, my God, I imagine if she's Shleep. I built a time machine to come back here and do all this. I bypassed the compressor, don't worry. Yeah. I can't create paradigms. I bypassed the timeline. Yeah, we'll probably move into super chats now, and so I want to offer a chance for little shadow vesty and critical drinker. You've been wonderful, both of you, and this is your escape hatch option. You can run away now. Tragically, yeah. I think I'm going to have to get into that escape pod because I've got to be up pretty early tomorrow, but it has been, it's been an experience talking about Shang-Chi again and reliving it. Oh, yeah. I can't think of a better bunch of lads to do it with. So... Sorry, no way. Do you want to... Not that they wouldn't know at this point, but do you want to tell Chat where they can find you and why they should subscribe? I'm the critical drinker, and you can find me on YouTube. I talk about movies. That's what I got. Why do you talk about movies? Why do you hate them? I like them. Well, I used to like them. I find myself liking them less as time goes on. But I do try to sprinkle in positive reviews of older stuff that I've really enjoyed in my lifetime. So I try to get a little bit of a balance. And yeah, if it comes to pointing out the problems with modern movies, I'll try and be fair about it and at least get into some kind of analysis. And occasionally, I talk about just general stuff about how storytelling is done these days and the differences with how it used to be. So, yeah, that is the basis of my channel. Hey, before you go, drinker, I just wanted to say also watched Invincible. And I really liked it because I saw your review on it as well. And so I would encourage people to go watch Drinker's review of Invincible because that's one of the few in recent media that is at least being half decent and actually had some really, really good moments for it. And so, you know, sometimes stuff is made in the modern day that actually is worth a damn and Invincible is one of them. And so I recommend this one. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I think we will we will likely be doing some other things as time goes on. I'll probably mess you about it. But of course, thank you so much for hanging out with us for almost six hours, probably just to talk about this incredible movie. And it was better than the last, like, one where you lose like your anniversary special and I was in for about an hour. It's a bit over head. Yeah, but there wasn't as much of an interesting conversation. You know, you were so invested in Shang-Chi, I had to make sure you were here for this because that's true. What are your favorites? Um, yeah, it's been fun, man, and we shall catch you around. All right, thanks very much for having me, guys. Toodles. See you. Bye. Bye. Wow, he didn't even say the thing. You didn't you didn't go away. No. Well, all of Chad's going to be upset about that. Shaddy, you hanging out or you running off? Well, here's the thing, Mauler. Do you want to guess where I am right now? You are in Spain. I'm not in Spain. Hmm. Mars. Or Mars. That's my two option. I don't know. OK, I don't know. No. Two genders. You're still in Canada. I am actually not in Canada. So that would logically mean where am I? Huh? Are you back? You're back in Aussie land. Well, this is so if I am back in Australia, that actually has a hanging implication of a current circumstance. Can you connect? Oh, you're stuck. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. Where am I stuck? Frigging. Where am I stuck? Are you? No, don't tell me. Are you stuck in like a hotel airport? I am in hotel quarantine at the. Oh, OK, yeah. I mean, frigging hotel quarantine for two frigging weeks. Oh, I'm not kidding. Damn. And yeah, right, right, right. And they forced you to pay for it as well. So. $3,000 for a privilege in hotel quarantine. The privilege. The privilege. And holy crap. Like, you guys, have you played fallout? You know, when you're getting escorted through all these like processes with security and everything? That's what it was like getting off the plane. You were met by police everywhere and you are fine. Christ, you think it was the end of fucking civilization or something? I mean, it was it's insane. It is insane, right? And so you got off papers, please fill out all this stuff and all this crap and get shut literally shuttled off on a bus with the police escort with police meeting you at the thing and step here, move here, step there, stay there, make sure not don't don't get too close. They treat you like you are just like legitimately late. I like like even on one of the counters, right? They ask for papers, but then they ask you to hold the paper in front of them so they don't have to touch it because fucking Christ. Everyone's Jesus. What if you instead of spending that three can you just buy a hazmat suit and promise you'll stay in it? Oh, I can't even get me started. And so, yeah, I've been hotel quarantine and part of the money. Sorry, what? How much longer do you have? You finished about a week and a half left. Does that does that mean the reason you're telling us all this is that you would you welcome all and any distractions? Basically, I have all the time in the world, though. I am expecting some important calls now and then, so I might duck out. I'm going to I'm going to stay forever because, yeah, the food sucks, by the way, here in part. And they force you to pay for the food and the food's crap. And so I've had to pay for it. But there's so much going to waste. And then I order in stuff to be delivered and order in, but there has to be delivered to the reception. And then they have to take it to my room, leave it in front of my door, knock on the door and then they run away because I've dude, I've done that once or twice where I've like when we're doing e-famps and stuff and you know, eight hours go by and you get hungry, I'll order a pizza or something delivered. And sometimes those mother fuckers at DoorDash decide what they're going to do is they're just going to put the pizza down on the ground in front of your door and then and then just fuck off. Do they not knock? No. Well, how are they supposed to knock away? Yeah, yeah. And they've done that multiple. They've done that multiple times where there's like a. So if I go to the pizza places website and order something, have it delivered, I guess they use DoorDash or whatever to have it be delivered. So I know it's coming and I know to like go out there and check. But multiple times they have not knocked and just left the pizza there because the people who work for DoorDash are subhuman scum. Oh, my God, you don't have two brain cells to rub together and make a spark. That's just that's the kind of dumb shit that infuriates me. I don't get it like stupid. Do you have to be to do that? It's got to be less beneficial to them as well. Like if they just said, if you have no contact delivery set, that literally doesn't matter. No, even if it's non-contact. I've had no non-contact, but I still ring the doorbell. Well, if you are that worried that knocking the door might get you code, can you at least be like, hello? Then how do you operate? Just how are you? How do you keep your senses together? Use a glove or use a stick. Throw the. If you're this fucking terrified of a coronavirus and what an actual crisis happens, smash the door, open up, please. You come outside, open up. Here's your pizza. We'll just throw the pizza through the window attached to a brick. That's another option. I think Rags might be a little angrier at that point. Well, well, I mean, come on, like it's it's it's still not good. I mean, if I if I had not known that it was coming and went out to like check for it or coincidentally, I have like a window open or open enough to where I could see when people pass in front of it. And I'm like, oh, that must be the well delivery guy. Is there like a thing on your phone that is like, hey, your order's here. Come get it. No. Oh, that's bizarre. I know Uber has that. They're like, hey, it's here. Come get now. Sometimes I get like called by the delivery person because they're like, I couldn't find your place. And I have to tell them where it is. Can you request they call you on delivery or at least try that? Well, I can see him. I could see him in the window as they as they walk by to do the thing. Well, at least is that, yeah. Yeah, but like if I if ever I do know that if I did go out there at any time and it was just sitting out there cold outside, I would call back and say, you're going to bring me another one. Is what you're going to fucking do because this is unacceptable and you hire the dumbest motherfuckers I've ever seen. I remember I think it was one time when I talked about it on EFAP, I ordered something and then it was like an hour later that it came and it was the wrong order. And I said that and he's like, oh, you sure? It's like, yeah, no, I know. I know what I ordered. Yeah, I know not to. Yeah, I know not to order things I'm allergic to. Well, and then, yeah, like he was like, oh, you know, like, do you want me to like you don't have to pay. I don't know what he said, but it was like such a terrible suggestion. It's like, dude, this isn't what I wanted. Like, I don't want it. The best. Yeah, you I paid for a thing and you didn't bring me that thing. What do you think fucking happens next? It's like, oh, I got another order. It's like, well, is that my fault? Like, here's what you can do. If it's too late, you can bring one to me tomorrow or you can bring one immediately, which is what you need to be doing. Yeah. The best example that ever happened to me is I ordered a pizza and I rang the bell. I came and collected and they handed me a tub of Ben and Jerry's ice cream. And I was like, so beyond confused. This is before I knew they even sold those. I was like, this is far from what I ordered. There are degrees of food that are much closer. I think my favorite part was, like, in this particular instance, the guy's like, oh, but this is what it says on the bag. It's like, OK, it's still not the right order. Like, I don't know what you want me to say. You're explaining why the mistake occurred. It's still a mistake. Someone screwed up and it's not me. So I don't know what I meant to do here. Someone said it's quite simple, Rags. If you want them to knock, just put it in the special instructions. All right. So one, they don't give a shit about special instructions. I promise you they don't because I always put because every time they call, it's where the hell is your unit or whatever. Even though that's what I was putting in the special instructions because they always call and ask, they don't give a fuck about special instructions. There is no connection between when you put that in for your order in the person actually reading that. Second, I should not have to give people special instructions to do like baseline level of things like I should probably knock the door so they know that they're pizza, which in the summer, I am just leaving outside of their house. You know, there is special instruction. This is 100 percent their fault. It is their screw up beyond all measure. Any attempt to try and pass this on to be my issue is insane. I love how you guys don't understand how Dede and U.E. operate that it's much easier, more financially sufficient for the driver to just move on to the next order and you call customer support. Why would you ever assume that like if you had this happening again and again with multiple ones that it wouldn't cause major issues? Like what? What defense is that anyway? I don't even know why the idea is so experience. Again, you have them dropping the cold pizza or rather it becomes cold to rags because they're just like I ain't knocking, which is so fucking stupid, by the way, it costs you like a half second to just fucking knock. And then they do it to the next person and the next person. And then they start getting a flood of calls of people being like, I want a hot pizza, also wrong order. Also, it's like it's fine. They make money overall. It's like, what are you? You don't think there will be any discipline for this? It's it's it's like they're shooting themselves in the foot and it's like they can survive. It's like, just stop shooting yourself in the foot. Why the fuck are you doing that? Why would I stop shooting myself in the foot and make it? You know, it's like, oh, who can make shitty movies in the MCU? They'll survive. It was like, I think it'd be better if they made good movies. Exactly. What a bizarre argument for not knocking on the door. I just look at it like you don't understand how this works. It's like rags is complaining about someone doing something fucking lame. It doesn't matter if it's financially viable. Like why the fuck is that even coming up? So wait, right. So you're ordering through the DoorDash app for the pizza play. I'm ordering through the pizza place and for whatever reason, I guess they use DoorDash or they because every place around here is hiring. You'd think that coronavirus fucking wiped out everyone like it's the black goddamn plague because every place around here is hiring and people are not going out and getting some goddamn jobs. But I guess they're outsourcing to DoorDash or whatever. And so they are often the people who come and arrive. Isn't that because they're getting heaps of like welfare payments that they just don't need to work at the moment and they're like just reaching off stuff in the United States, though. I don't know. That's one of the reasons we had Trump had a couple. And I think there was there was at least a couple. But I don't know if there's been any. I don't think there's been any reason. Well, I would imagine the reason why he's hiring is because you just have the thing of like unemployment is going back down again. There's well, I think they had to up again. I think around here in because like especially restaurants and places, there was a period of time where it was like half capacity and everyone had to do this and that. And they had to do so when you have less, you know, half the people you could serve at one time in a restaurant, you don't need the staff. So they just they just have to let people go. Or they just don't get work anyway. And now that everything's back to normal here, I guess people haven't been rehired yet, but it's like everywhere. There are places like the CVS isn't open 24 seven anymore. Places aren't open on Saturdays. There's just those all every place is hired on Saturdays. Oh, my God. I mean, if it's a restaurant and it's not open on Saturday, you're like, damn, they're missing out on a lot of money because they got people. It's just so weird that, you know, because I've heard that, that a lot of companies are having trouble finding people to fill jobs. And it's just it's really busy, I think. Well, so I'm assuming then you're going to hang around them. Oh, yeah, I'll be here for a while just to hang out again. Don't mind me if I have to just briefly pause and take a call or do something that draw I'm sticking around, guys. No, what else am I going to do? No problemo. Well, I mean, who knows? You might want to go watch YouTube videos or something. I was not prepared. Yeah, I got lots of I got work I could do if I think, you know, editing and other stuff and but still in a good position where, yeah, I'll just stick around. So what tip are you getting from a half filled place? Well, if there's half the workers and the place is half full, you probably get the same amount. Now, I will say that when we would go to like Waffle House in places, when it was half capacity, the servers hated it because the more tables they do, the more money they make. Um, so there, yeah, they're like, yeah, we hate this stuff. We, you know, the sooner it can get back to normal, the better, especially when people like lose their jobs because of it, because there's just not enough money coming in to support the same amount of workers than there used to be when you run in half capacity. So someone not open 24 seven is a very American complaint, though. So I don't know. So what a bizarre thing to say, but I specifically said CVS. So CVS is are typically open 24 seven and they had to get rid of the 24 seven stuff and it's currently done. And it's not like open 24 seven because they don't have the staff. So they don't, that entire shift just doesn't happen. And we the same thing happened with us. We had 24 hour Tesco stores, but they've, I don't know about all of them countrywide, but a lot of them now are not 24 hour because of what happened, which sucks because it's it's really good. It's super useful to have some place really close. It's open 24 seven in case you're just up late or it's 11 12. Yeah, I just need to get something. I do. Luckily, luckily, the come and go is 24 seven. And I can go there and get a snack or whatever if I need to at night. But it used to be I would walk to the CVS a couple blocks away. And I would I could get it's basically a mini grocery store. You can get all kinds of little goodies there. And they got some good deals and stuff. So I'd go there if it was 3 a.m. And I was just up and I want to stretch my legs and get something. Restock of milk or bread or anything like that CVS was there. But now next time you get to order, they'll prompt you. No, I don't use Doric fucking dipshit. Jesus Christ, I'm not going to explain it again. You could rewind the fucking tape. Right. It's not on a tape. It's on a stream on the stream. You can rewind digital thing can a stream. Strumbly. Well, all right, then. Strap in, everyone. Now it's time for the Superchats opening strong with high rags. Hello, Mola, you're a Lisbonius today. Hi, Froggy. No, hello, Froggy. That's fine with me. I'll be a Lisbonius. I heard Mola talk about unforgiven. If I've never seen a Western, is it wrong to start with that one? I would not start out with it. I wouldn't recommend starting with it, but you could like this, you know, could, yeah. But it benefits greatly from you having taken in other Western movies and then watching Unforgiven. You will, through cultural osmosis, probably benefit from what the movie saying regardless. But I would recommend seeing some Westerns that are more. Yeah, so you can watch some of it. Probably watch some classics like A Fistful of Dollars. And mention that Fistful of Dollars. Surprising how well they hold up. Yeah, you could do 310 to Yuma is a good one. The quick and the dead once upon a time in the West. True grit, both of them. And then if you watch some of those and then you watch Unforgiven, I think it'll it'll work better. But Unforgiven is fantastic. Yeah, there are also there are many fantastic Westerns. In some, like, if you're going to want to watch as little as possible to get to it, maybe the Dollars trilogy would be the idea because it in some ways it does feel like the characters history is that trilogy and like potentially. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid. Oh, Rango. Rango is really cool. Rango is a Western. Yep. Rango. Oh, yeah, there you go. Watch Django as well. And Django and help. Yeah, you can watch the hatefully hatefully. And the Magnificent. Oh, the Magnificent Seven. Yeah, watch them both. I like the new one. I watched the new one. I remember enjoying it. Is Chris Pratt in that? That's all I remember. Yes, yeah. Yeah. Where's Frank Grimes car in the parking lot at the nuclear plant? Why? Why would his car be there specifically? Do you remember the joke in the episode when you backed up his car and destroyed the car? Oh, yeah, two stone blazing saddles. Yeah. Yeah, that's such a great one. Yeah. Oh, why did you hit Letty? What are you doing? He was in my way, Fringy. Oh, and that's an excuse to hurt your friends. He was in the Mad Max. Count as a Western. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I don't think I call Mad Max a Western. It's got a different. It's got a different. I mean, sort of kind of the second one. Maybe the apocalypse, I think. I feel like the apocalypse counts as a genre. I might count the second little Westerny because about by the general story ish, stranger from out of town, has to rough and needs to protect the town. So it's kind of got that vibe to it, which a lot of Westerns sort of have. But yeah, I would. Yeah, I mean, I that's a that's a I guess a quad trilogy that I need to rewatch the Mad Max's because I haven't seen him in just thinking of Paul Lenny still. Oh, my eye, it's not supposed to get cars in it. Yeah, the one thing to avoid is all I remember the one where it's like the Omni goggles or something. The guy opens a newspaper and the rubber band hits him in the face. It's like, I'm all right, folks. Thanks to my Omni guys, Lenny. A little late for Lenny, but the fricking eye patch is for I. All right. They got an eyewash station in this place. So here, Lenny, you look hungry. Have some nuts. It's just a spring sticking out of his eye. Yeah. Well, it's more like over. Get out of here. You sure seem angry, Bo. Here, have some nuts. Gee, thanks. I know he's just seen it go into his eye. Lord Longbone of Mewbchlington Abbey, are you given any more thought to Kongfab or Peter Jackson's long Kong when there's less going on? It would be a movie for the ages. P.S. How are wagsies? Scritches for the good boy. Oh, hello. And yeah, it'll happen one day. That's just I don't know what else to tell you. It'll happen one day. Because I haven't seen that one again. I saw somebody mentioned Deadwood. I'd like to watch Deadwood only here. I was there. Well, the place where they filmed it. No, Deadwood, the. Oh, OK. That's where. That's where Wild Bill Hick, Hickok died. Clamity Jane was there. It's it's kind of interesting. I'm just thinking about like American sort of Western and how because in Australia, I think I think you could consider basically like the sort of push range of stuff is essentially our version of Western. Well, I would consider quickly down under a Western and that's Australia. Yeah, exactly. I feel like Western, you can have Westerns that don't take place in, you know, the typical areas in America. Yeah, like at this point, it means it's more like a broad term of lawless frontier land. Yeah, typically is the the the dusty outsider comes to the town and fights off the bandits or something like that. You know, or there's the old world meets the new world. Oh, of course, of course, the greatest while the Western movie ever made at Wild Wild West with. Oh, that's an EFAT movies movie right there. Oh, my God, what a film that was. He turned down something to play to do Wild West. Well, I think it might have been. It might have been turning down that to, yeah, I think so. Someone in chat will know for sure. But like, yeah, it's that's quite a movie right there. Australia is the closest to the old West that we have now. Yeah, in a certain sense, like if you go out and to like deeper into the outback, that kind of would. It's it's yeah, it's. I would say that probably is. I guess you'd still have some towns on America, like you absolutely do. Arizona and stuff. Yeah, yeah. If you go to I mean, everywhere, like South Dakota, you don't think about you don't think about that being like a place where the the West is kept virtually alive in the West. Yeah, it yeah, I would. But a lot of people like Wyoming and stuff count two. Well, because you go out there and there's I just think people think about Arizona and like New Mexico. And that's and California and Nevada. And that's like, oh, that's the West, but it also includes like the quite a very it's a very broad area. Yeah, I mean, it also includes Mexico as well, northern Mexico anyway. But yeah, like I said, Deadwood is essentially a town with buildings that are hundred plus years old that all kind of matches it. I mean, it basically the town functions because it's an old West town and the tourism and the people and everything that's that's that's that is Deadwood. It's a I mean, you can go. They got the place where, you know, Wild Bill got shot and they got the all the bars and saloons and everything and all the historical spots where, you know, this happened. The other thing they got they got the graves on the hill with Calamity Jane and all them buried and the stories of the miners and everything and it's lovely town, great place. The whole thing Wild Bill, isn't it? That like he's like a great gunsling or had a huge history and then he got killed really casually because he like one of was it like he won a card game and then the well, so Wild Bill who he has the so you see he's got the he's got the the band around his belly and he keeps the pistols and he's got the cross draw, right? And that's that's kind of what he was known for. So all the statues and stuff of them, they have the pistol that, you know, the grips kind of sticking out of the band. But he he was that he is the guy, you know, the dead man's hand. That is the hand that Wild Bill had when he was shot in the back of the head. He was so generally the story goes Wild Bill would always sit with a face in the door so he knew when people came in. But he didn't that day, right? There was a he was sitting right by the door facing away from the door and he was sitting playing a poker game with a bunch of people. And a guy came in and checked to make sure that it was Wild Bill and just shot him in the back of the head. And that was that. And so that in the dead man's hand, as you could guess, what Wild Bill had as his hand when he was when he was killed. Talk about an anti-climax, though, in terms of your life. Yeah. And that's it. It was ace as an ace as the dead man's hand. I feel like Red Dead Redemption with them. Impot, hugely influential in terms of reviving interest in Western stuff. That and like, Jane, you know, as well, that was the same time. I don't know if they ever lost their place. They just became smaller than they were. Um, yeah, yeah. I suppose it's just compared to how many of them they used to be. And talk about Westerns. Yeah, yeah. Well, remember, there was like, I guess not remember, but there was a good three I mean, from post World War Two, you get into the mid fifties till about the mid seventies. And it was just cowboy, bonanza, gun smoke, little house on the prairie, just Westerns and Westerns and Westerns all over the place. That was the big thing for decades. Yeah. It was, I mean, it was huge for so long. And it was it was big, big, big, big. And yeah, it's things come and go. And people have a cycle sometimes. People have used it as a model for the way that the MCU will die. It's just going to be interesting to see how much it does match if it matches. Yeah, I mean, when you think about the MCU, it's I mean, how old is it now in terms of MCU? I guess, probably something like that. Like triple that was the double triple. That was the the height of all these sort of Western things where that was huge. And that's interesting to think about as well. When when these Western things, it was different IPs, like they were all in the different, they were all set in a similar era in a similar time, but they weren't from one company. Yeah, it was what people liked and wanted. And, you know, things changed over time. As the people change, as generations change, interest changes, technology changes as well. You can do a lot more things and you could try out new stuff. And I'm doing pretty good every once in a while. When I go to my folks place, they'll they'll be playing on the TV. And it's interesting to sit down and kind of watch them and to see how older things were filmed and shot and how dialogue was and how the show sort of progressed. And it was nice to watch some of these some of these shows. I had to send us apology super chat. Sorry for saying you were down with pineapple pizza last night. I had to do it. Yeah, this person told the Friday Night Tights crew that I was down with pizza that has pineapple on it, which is just hideous, hideous slam. Shame on them. Shame on them. You're lucky you're not being sued for that. They're apologizing. So, you know, I can, I can accept. Well, yeah. It's a triumph. What more needs to be said, I guess so, which I covered in the title. So high rags and other e-fappers. Hello. Hello. Hey, finally finished my first draft. EFAP really helps looking forward to redraft in now. Good luck. That's one good stuff. I've been I've been suspended from communicating on Xbox for referring to someone as a slack jawed massive. Take my shackles instead. You like your message. So what? So have you called somebody like if you sing that, Cletus, the slack jawed yokel, you might get banned from Xbox. I didn't think slack jawed was at that level, but apparently it is. Mate, I'm surprised that it is actually because that seems fairly tame. Some focal never. Emmett, I, damn, I forget the middle part. It's a focal, never something. But then again, some focal like Cletus, the slack jawed yokel. Cletus, that's just like the default. You're an idiot name, you're an idiot. How do I how do I let the audience know this person is an idiot? Their name shall be Cletus. Cletus, what are you doing? Oh, my God, there's something out there in the field. I told you the corn stalks at midnight, mom. Dang it, Cletus. Are you a name of Cletus, funny name, Cletus. It's perfect for the accent, I think. It just it just rolls right on the tongue. Nice to see Shad back on. You guys should pull E.R. out of Purgatory to go over something. Well, I mean, if he if he want is, I think he's vaguely on Twitter. He hasn't done a video now in a long time. I don't know if he's up to what he's up to. But it'd be interesting to get his opinion. I'm sure he'd love to do a review on Shang-Chi. Yeah, hopefully, hopefully. Shang-Chi with eFap, drinker. This must be my lucky day. I was going to say if I saw people being like, I guess they're not going to cover Shang-Chi. Oh, well, it's like you just got nearly five hours of us going over it. So hopefully that was what you were looking for. And hopefully you don't want any more because I never really want to talk about it again. Nope, only ever. I never want to I'd ever want to hear about it again. The funny thing is we do plan to do that. I see you are some time eventually. So we will watch Shang-Chi again, but it could be like three years. Shang-Chi will return at Avengers Endgame. Yeah. Well, the 10 rings will return. That guy, that known. Why wouldn't why wouldn't they just say Shang-Chi would return? I don't know. I don't know. Have any of you guys seen Oh, Brother, Where Are Thou? If so, thoughts. I have and I like it. I have not. That would be a good one to watch. Hmm. I would definitely recommend that one is one that we see. Very well. Hi, all, hope you're doing well. Thanks for mentioning Bly Manor on the latest catch up. I binged it in one sitting and it was Celestial. Not a fan of horrors, but Bly was really well written. Also, hi, Rags. Yeah. Hello. Yeah, it's not that like scary, scary. But it's definitely really going to end on a person. It's not that scary. Yeah, if you guys remember, I was because someone in discord was asking, like, why isn't there? You said you recorded the Bly Manor stuff. Like, why isn't it, you know, out, I guess at this point? And I was like, because it can't can't convert it in the same way yet. We need more stuff. Because if you guys remember when we finished episode five, we spent about 30 seconds gushing over it. And then we're like, next, next, next, next, next episode. Yeah, like, but but we need to talk about it, though. Like the next episode. So, yeah, we'll we'll fix that up another time in terms of commentary and analysis. And then we'll release it. And hopefully change the tide, at least a little bit on that show. Because, yeah, it doesn't get much praise, unfortunately. But hey, Midnight Mass is on the way. Maybe that will combine the writing of Bly and the scariness that everyone's looking for. Hopefully it would be nice to watch something spooky that was written really well. Oh, Rags, I've got so many plans for us on Halloween slash October. All of all good horror movies. Mm, yeah. Why do you laugh? You laugh. That's that's why would you laugh? Because laughter can be an expression of many emotions. In this case, joy. Joy, the fact that Rags is going to finally get his wish. I like joy. Hello there, long man. Love your arrow and rope video. Hi, Raggleton. Hello. Yeah, I worked really hard on that. It's something I think Shad should cover at some point. I think the rope. Yeah, we know shooting arrows, ropes and stuff. But just, you know, breaking the illusion that video is actually doing surprisingly well. Oh, look at you teaching the world about stuff. Yeah, because I needed to go to sleep early to wake up on time for EFAP, right? And that means meant I couldn't watch how well the video did in its first hour of release, which I usually do. And so that gives me an indication of how well it would go over the long run. And so just waking up ready for EFAP, that meant the video had been out for a good couple of hours already, hadn't been out of track yet. I had a look as like it was just doing well. I was like, oh, that's a good news before jumping on me. Fringy Stein, in an earlier episode, you mentioned the Grime Simpsons episode. You need to watch the YouTuber Emplemons never, never, ever episode on it. Also, hi, Rangoon. Hello. Who is whose video? Why is it going to be one that upsets me? No, the well, funnily enough, I don't know if they're referring to the same video, but Emplemon, I think, is the creator who made the video on why the Simpsons died that I thought was thoroughly engaging and it centers around the Grimes episode. Oh, OK. He basically makes the argument that Simpsons peaked its purpose with that episode. Like it, I mean, I can totally understand why you would say that because it's like this juxtaposition of the Simpsons world with a character who I think I think it's been said that the whole idea behind the episode was what if an actual real person was had to interact with Homer Simpson? So, yeah, if they talk about that video, I fully recommend everyone. Check it out. Okay. Fantastic. And it's better than because the thing is I went in cynically. I was like, oh, here we go. Another video telling me that the death of the Simpsons happened because blah, blah, blah, blah. Because a lot of people always pick this. The Arm and Games area. Yeah, yeah. But his analysis was fantastic. I was very impressed. He goes into a lot of detail about a lot of things, the production and everything. I do. I'm pretty sure. Are there some people who worked on the Simpsons who don't like the Frank Grimes episode? Oh, I'm not sure about that. Maybe I'm not sure. I feel like I've heard that and that I don't know why because I think that episode is amazing. Which one more? Can you please say it again? Amplemon and I can't remember what it's called. This super chat says never ever episode on the Frank Grimes episode from Amplemon. If you look for Amplemon Simpsons, it's probably going to be his most viewed video. I'd imagine of that format. I don't know how many Simpsons videos he's made, though. So maybe I'm wrong. That's the best I can do to figure it out. Opinion on For Honor. Never played it. I don't think I ever played it either. I saw friends play a bit of it, but yeah. I remember that the launch to that game was really bad. I remember that much. This person says they hate and love it. I'm afraid we've got nothing for you. I gave it a go early on. I didn't really get into the controls. And so if I'm not enjoying the game play, it's a bit hard for me to really dive into it. I think I could have enjoyed it if I really tried to get it to know intuitively because there was a bit of buzz in my community about the game in terms of, you know, just the concept and stuff. But unfortunately, it didn't hold me high. But I ended up playing Mountain Blade number two. There's a good game. By the way, Rags is a cutie. Oh, thank you. I am, though, it's true. My 10 year old came in and knew immediately who every one of the guests are on the panel. Can't wait for my plushies to come in. Your 10 year old. Dang. Oh, not a hundred percent sure. A 10 year old should be watching you. Yeah, 10 year olds probably should probably should we are legally obligated to let you know that this is not a show for children. But yeah, I mean, Shad and Drinker, the mainstays almost at this point, we trap them in the realm of EFAP. In the realm of EFAP. Pineapple on pizza debate with Ned Rottigan as I mean, real BBC's on Tuesday. I'll tell them the truth if they got to hear it. It was funny. It was like an actual thing that almost burst out Friday tights about the pineapple pizza thing. It's just like the most ultimate what can you even do with the argument? It's gross or it's not gross. That's like the best. Yeah, it is gross, though. It is gross, though. Objective. Hello, EFAP, first time super chat here. Have you heard of the game Space Station 13? I've heard of it. I've heard of it. I have not. Once you get used to the controls, it can be quite fun. I highly recommend you check it out. Oh, perhaps we shall in the future. Yeah, I got to admit, maybe there's a reason for it, but that is a generic name for a game. It's not like bamboozle, or you're going to be like, I remember that name. Yeah, God, everybody remembers bamboozle. Game of the year, right? Australia is a prison island, but surely it isn't Marxist. I mean, it's not Marxist, no, but it certainly there's some troubling science happening with the certain things happening. I don't want to get too political. No, I understand the the stuff going on there. That's that's there you go. That's there is stuff going on in a country. Yes, that is the contribution. And that's breaking news right there. Rags, my ex was Asian, so. What is she now? Is that the end of the end? I just never know if I'm allowed to say something like these. These are these are the. All right. Like the TOS robot is looking at. Is she better? Like what? I don't know what you want me to say. Well, it just says she OK now. Ching chag pong. That's all it says. Ching ching. I wonder about those ones. Oh, is that her name? I don't I don't know. I'm not even or maybe it was reference to ping pong. I don't know because we were talking about sports. Well, yeah, I don't know where we're up to in terms of the timeline right for the conversation. Maybe she invented ping pong and it was named after her. Hail, everyone, have a fantastic weekend. Oh, thank you. Hi, thanks. I will do it. Again, we had this last time. They just said warg. Oh, warg. Hmm. Like like the big hyena dogs or the ability in the Game of Thrones world to warg into things. Warg. Oh, yeah, who knows? Who knows what this person's trying to tell me? I'll find out one day. When will rags invent ragby as a sport? Ragby. Hmm. Dudes, I don't a big field. Just rasslin. Just doing their wrestling, you know. I don't know who can say I don't know. Rugby needs an equal ratio of rugs to bees. I could come in there and explain how to do it. I mean, I seem self-explanatory. To me. Yeah, I don't know what's confusing about any of that. But the ratio of rugs to bees in my house, though, it's a little lopsided in favor of the rugs. I have like three. Let's see. One, two, three, four. OK, does it does a kitchen mat count as a rug? I don't know. I'd have to check. I'm not sure. I have three point five rugs. Oh, there you go. That's a lot of I have no. Is that a lot of rugs? No, actually, no, as soon as I said that, I'm like, wait, no, that's maybe for a because half of my essentially have well, half of my place is essentially carpet. That's the thing. But it only counts as like, does it a rug? It's enough. I will go ahead and put it in rug territory. I got one in the kitchen where I can stand on it, where my human could stand on. Um, I've got one in the bathroom, one of those bathroom rug sort of things. And I got a couple by the door. I'm not going to count the one on the outside because that's more of a mat, right? It's more of a matty. I wouldn't want to come at even Ruggie. Which franchise has worst continuity, DCEU or X-Men? Probably. Oh, shit. That's a tough one. Actually, they've both done time travel. I'm pretty sure that X-Men's continuity just flat out contradicts itself several times. I remember in the X-Men movie, I think, I think, Charles says when I was 19, I met Eric, but in first class, which is canonical to both timelines. They're in their late 20s. So there's a lot of stuff. That's the thing. If we were to rewatch it, I might find a hell of a lot of stuff like, yeah, there's stuff that I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure that the ending of Days of Future Pass is meant to be set after Dark Phoenix. But how can that be possible? Like, how is it even possible these timelines? I never saw Dark Phoenix. You will one day. We'll do the Fox. An X-Men art. The Fox X-Men art. Yeah, that'll be an adventure. The park. I would still maintain the like Dark Phoenix. It's not a good movie at all. But like a lot of people say and it's like absolutely catastrophic when if it were considered against like the worst of the MCU right now, it's doing better than it. It killed Jennifer Lawrence's mystique, guys. Come on, it has to get points for that. It rags as a carpet bathroom. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't have a carpeted bathroom. That that used to be a thing, though. That died off because, obviously. Because, obviously. Yeah, you know, it's obviously bathroom. Yeah. Remember, people would have carpeted toilet covers. They would have carpeted. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah, that's a thing. That's right. But no, I have a I have a bathroom, like a little a a portable rug. A lot of rugs are portable, but like a portable rug so that when you like step out of the shower or what not, you can you're not stepping on the floor. Sure, you got those definitely. Yeah, that's the actual carpet across the whole thing. What kind of hell is this? Humans had some wild ideas back in the day. Yeah, there were. I mean, you walk into some old houses and they might still have it. But houses in terms of architecture and stuff, the way they're built and the trendy stuff of bathrooms, it it changes over time. I mean, it's it was a real thing. There are some there are some bathrooms that are just straight up. Man, this isn't that I have never thought about this question ever in my life, but I think it would be interesting. Which decade do you think produced the best consistently produced the best house designs? You know what? I will text my parents who are both architects and I'd be curious what they was going to say, I would submit to their answers. Let me go and get my. The reason why I think about that is because I'm like, you can you can kind of see it here. Because I'm just my ass, so it scoots towards the desk. You can see certain design templates across the decade. You can see them here as well, like, especially depending on which suburbs you go to where they were made more recently versus, I guess, I'm thinking about houses because some people sound like the tens in the 20s. It's like, man, that feels unfair. Art Deco is really cool and I'm kind of almost thinking from like the 50s onward to like 20, 20, 10s. Yes, I don't know. Talking about the design, aesthetic or I also include they're going to be inextricably linked generally. I I wonder if it's not fair to to include things that houses from like the 50s and 60s couldn't have like due to technology, ducted air conditioning, stuff like that. Well, that'll still be it will it'll impact the design and the layouts of places. Yeah, I figure it would. But I think it's I think it's fair. Maybe we'll get a super nuanced answer then because what is what is the question again? Asbestos could really tip the scale. What which what's the question? The which decade produced the best designs overall for houses? Well, the answer is non-controversial and clear. And you can't even argue against it. It's clearly the middle medieval period in castles. You can't beat it. The open at home's best designed and they are legitimately homes. OK, they have private homes that people have. So I'm not sure I feel like I can't. Yeah, that's the question. I think about castles about all the people you need. Well, I'm not sure because because I think about like manners. You know how you have those movies that are set on manners and it's like, well, you need a whole staff to run this place. I don't know that I want that for like the place I live in. I have to pay staff to make take care of it because it's so big. Look for any of the burlesque that depends on the size of castle. They're much more OK, you know, smaller size castle, which is still stunning and looked amazing. And yeah, just for a single household. I mean, I have no doubt that you know more about castles than I do. So you probably have a bunch of that extra knowledge that is absent for me because I'm just thinking of huge castles. Not small. Well, actually, the interesting thing, most castles are actually far smaller. The huge ones represented the minority of all castles. That's OK. Most are actually far. Yeah, exactly. Most are actually far smaller and more conservative in size. Let me give you some examples. I have like endless. You've got pictures. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. When I say it was thousands and thousands of imagery sources that I've collected, which have a look at this one. Right. That main keep is only essentially a single room with three floors. Right. And right. And that's far more representative of what a lot of medieval castles are like in the medieval period. I mean, let me have a couple other cool ones. But people could. Do you still need stuff for these kinds of buildings? Or because it looks like the one that I posted there, you would still have your, you know, manned arms and servants. Right. But they were even smaller ones than this. Let me find a good one. Also, at the beginning of a plague tale innocence, you they have a nice well to do. It's not a castle, but it's like a manner, I guess you could say. And it's very lovely. And I think when I first played it, I messaged Shad and said, hey, if you ever play this game, it would be nifty maybe to do something on this house in particular, because it was really it seemed really nice, totally believable, super immersive. And I it would be curious to see if it was representative of that. Late, late kind of design. The trailers looked really interesting for a plague. So just in terms of the design aesthetic, there's a lot of, you know, inaccuracies in terms of just the whole concept behind plague stuff. But no, like the aesthetic. Oh, it's clearly not. Yeah, it's definitely not. The plague aspect is definitely not realistic. It's a very gaming, mechanically and semi suspense kind of stuff. But I would recommend it. It's it's not I wouldn't call it difficult and the puzzles are barely puzzles, but it's it looks lovely. It's a decent game to go through. I enjoyed playing through it. I like it. You have to play as a Frenchie. But apart from that, it's pretty it's pretty nice, pretty nice. It's I would recommend it. There are some a lot of cool segments in that game. Well, like, I think I can swallow my pride and play as a Frenchman. I said that with far too much. Actually, I like the medieval French had some really, like, really interesting stuff. Man, the castles in France was epic. They had a great, huge chivalric culture around knighthood and everything of baguettes and neat. One of the the cool aspects when I went to the UK was just how many towns were built around medieval castles. Like, the castle was sort of a centerpiece of the town and the town was constructed around it. I can't remember exactly which one I went like, that's cool. We don't have that here. These towns are too young. Here's a couple of examples for you, especially that last one. Yeah, that one looks smallish. That looks like a nice and that second one. Yeah, have a look at that second one. Right. Basically, it's a full keep, but it's a two room structure. One room on top of another. And you'll be surprised how many castles like that were in the medieval period. They were vastly more representative of this type of castle than the big ones, most of them were around this size. OK, interesting. Yeah, it might just be that like the big castles color our perception because, you know, it's exactly right. Just so much of them. Sorry, I can't. Oh, yeah. Hey, you are sharing the image, Mola. I'm a good movie that we could one one movie that we should watch for our little list of movies is Lady Hawk. What's wrong with the manhawk? He was there was a manhawk. It started out as manhawk. But then, you know, he got faced out. Lady Hawk took over. She's way better than he ever was. You know, because that was one of Matthew Broderick's. So he was he was young in that. Brecker Hauer is in it. And I remember watching that age ago. Is that the is that the one that has her really weird music that's out of place is like real synthesized modern music that just does not fit the period that they're trying to depict at all. And all the swords are awful in it and the costumes. What movie? Oh, Alfred Molina is in it. He plays he plays a guy in that. Hang on, Lady Hawk. That's the one with Ferris Bueller's day off guy in it. Matthew Broderick. Yeah, is that this name? Yeah. Yeah, he is in that. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's got yeah, it's got some yeah, it's got some. I liked it a lot. I liked it. It was one of the movies I watched when I was young. We had a VHS of it. I liked it quite a bit. When I said some humans have wild ideas for you, you'll appreciate this. The other two probably appreciate this at all, maybe. But I've triggered a memory of a really good Simpsons joke. I'm sorry, everyone. Here it comes. So, you know, it's I think I want to say is it was in the heaven and hell box at home. Like finds Jesus kind of thinks himself like a prophet or whatever. Oh, maybe it isn't either way. He's trying to talk about Jesus. We can't remember his name and he says because someone says like, what if you're wrong? I think and he says, well, you know, there was there was another guy who thought was wrong. It's like he has long hair and wild ideas and he didn't always do what everybody said was right. And that man's name was I forget. But the point is I forget that, too. Marge, you know, I'm talking about used to drive that blue car. Yeah, I remember that one. Wait, what the fuck was he talking about? I like coma. He's a funny lad. Homer isn't great. Great character. Is he still, though? I wonder. I do wonder on that regard. Yeah, I'm not sure. Um, can you have friends and sad say dough doughnut and I know? Like dough, OK, dough doughnut. I don't know. Oh, the last one was I know. And I know the tricky thing. This is a tricky thing for me. I'm actually reading more conscious of my Australian ismas and accents out of intention because I personally think the Australian accent is pretty rubbish in terms of pronunciation. I don't I think these accents are like I get I get the people like it. But I don't like the fact that we pronounce words differently to how they're spelled or how clearly they should be pronounced to say. And so I actually do emphasize certain sounds. It's natural for me now, but I started it intentionally. So as a result, my accent is not wholly Australian. It's this weird amalgam and mix. And there's a lot of Aussie I think I found British or American because I round my eyes usually here. I round my eyes to I don't think it's the same thing. Yeah, I sound American sometimes. Pretty sure rags is to blame for this. And so we're ours and that I don't know the question that people are asking me to say those words. I know I can sometimes fall back into a more heavy Australian isms in my accent. But what I'm conscious of it, I usually don't. And so I don't know what they're wanting me to say. So if they want me to say no or no, it depends. So so what are the words they want to say? I could do both. How about that? I'll think what are the words again? So you got dough doughnut and I know. So it would be dough doughnut and I don't know. Or what dough doughnut and I don't know. Just say it normally. How did you and Fringy here? I don't know rather than I know. Both of you did that. Oh, maybe it's maybe it's a woman. They're more used to saying I don't know. They're mostly than I do know. People ask me questions all the time and all I say is I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Look, it's better to admit when you don't know than to pretend that you know when you don't know. OK, I know. I I'm really trying to push up the the we couldn't tell now. Well, that's the funny thing, because I know that. So you just like I can really overpronounce that. No, no, or I could just be like, no, you know, like. So I I I'm inclined to agree to a certain extent, Shad, that there are aspects of the Australian accent that are that I don't like. However, I do think that it has its charm. Yeah, I think it's almost provable. People love Australian like creators and they find that the accent is. Is I think it's unique. It's it's a unique one. There's not many. The Australian accent is a it's a bit of an oddity. It's like it kind of sounds like British, but it kind of has different aspects to it. It's loose, definitely loose compared to everybody else. Probably more so than even and and and it's not like New Zealand, where it's it's kind of a little too weird, like fashion chips. It's like what's going on, you know, fashion chops from. Yeah, exactly. I just find that the New Zealand one is often even cuter when I listen to that one or when you listen to like listen to Peter Jackson. So one of the New Zealand accents I actually like is the New Zealand Polynesian accent, the kind of the. Yeah, yeah. So that's an accent I can actually fall into because I started to naturally adopt it. So I was a missionary to my church and for two months before you go out on a mission that you go to what's called the Missionary Training Centre and it was in New Zealand and I was had a lot of, you know, other missionary mates who were from the Maori and stuff like that. And they had that thick accent. And I naturally start to start to adopt it. I can fall back into it pretty easily. And it's so interesting, the type of accent because all you have to do is start clipping off the end of your words like this, bro, and you start talking like this. And this is this is this is just how they speak. If you want to speak like this, you start to speak the accent like this, bro. You know, it's just like it's called number. Yeah, it is called. Hey, I'm called. This is me. Uh, he has swords and arms. It's all now this is a circle, but it's more like a freaky circle. I'm kind of freaky circle, bro. And it was weird because I was around it. Like I actually noticed my accent changing in real time when I was just talking and I realized I started talking like this and we needed to go over there. No, this is weird. Oh, it's I am a go ahead. It's just this is super common. If I if I end up talking to people like heavy Welsh accent people, I'll start to slip into mine. And I think when we all get drunk, accents usually start to become like they get further. Jay was drunk the other day while in a call. And my God, the amount of times he said, I like rare like it wouldn't. He always was talking about himself. That that's a, you know, it's a fair clarification, actually. So the in agreement or in the middle of things. It's the same. Hey, hey, that's true. I that's another accident. People love to listen to. I know a certain drunk creator and entertain with. Oh, yeah, they love it because it's so romantic. Oh, I love the Scottish accent. I like the subject. I still think I prefer Irish. So I like you again. Irish Irish. You're dealing. It's not very floaty like a leaf in the wind. Yeah, it's it's I think that that is the best way to describe it. It is floaty. It feels like a little fairy. Yeah, like you think they're ever going to put doors on Stonehenge? No, I don't ruin it. Oh, I really like like posh British accent like Oxford accent is out. There's cold or Westminster. I like that accent a lot. It's nice and refined. Yeah, I like every kind of almost refined. Yeah, it's just going to have money from a job like that. That's that's only some of them, though, right? Because if you go to other places, I find it so fascinating how there are like 50 different accents in the United Kingdom. Yeah, and some of them are like repulsive. And then some of them have like a Tom Hiddleston, where you're just like, man, you were hitting the lottery there. I don't know what you did. And I really like the the is it God? Is it like the Devon kind of? What's what's that one called? Which one? The Demons sure? We get around Devon Torquee. What's that one called again? I'm not sure the one where they have kind of like the harder ars and the the pirate. Oh, that's pirate. That's pirate talk. No, I don't pirate. I heard I heard it's called. I can't believe I'm shivering. I wish maybe. Give us an example. Cornish and three West West country. Yes, Sean Bean has a Yorkshire accent. He has a lot of a lot of his accent. Yeah. Yeah. Sean Bean's accent is fucking great as well. Bastard. He has a bit of an accent. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody talks cockney now, by the way. I don't think that's true. Nobody has got it. I met people who have. What about in Cockington, where they're from? I think the one of the things I find interesting is the conversations about variations in Australian accents. It's like you really need to grasp it very small details. And I don't even think it's very meaningful to draw distinctions. Like some people say, depends where you go, man. It does. It certainly doesn't mean like there's kind of like you go to the accent alone. Yeah, there is this really thick, different accent in Port Piri, South Australia. Yeah. Which and it is like they really pronounce the wise like, oh, that's really yummy like that. And it's it's weird. I can't even do it right. But it's a very strong it. You kind of have to you kind of have to try and and notice it. It's not one of those things that is immediately apparent, I would say. But I think I think it's just a matter of this country is young enough that there hasn't been enough time for really different accents to develop. Yeah. Conversely, in America, it has fewer accents than like in the United Kingdom, but it still has more than Australia really has, because it's a little bit older as a country. Just just a little bit. Just a little bit like a couple of thousands if you really go back. Oh, yeah. Some of the people from the the origins are still serving their sentences. They're they'll they'll be out eventually. It's been a long. The classic I feel like it was. For you, I think it was much more. You reduced his accent in Golden Eye from what I remember. I didn't see that again. I think he did. Yeah. He's like, no, the whales and then boots. And I was like, yeah. Yeah. Is that where what's his face is from? We know. Richard Branson. Branson's Richard Branson. His bottom play. What's really funny? He's like, making his his record company while saving the world, working for making his way downtown. Bronson, right? Brosnan is he's not well. He's definitely not well. I'm trying to remember. Is he like what Charles Branson? Because Connery's Scott. Wait, you're talking about here's Brosnan, Brosnan, Irish. Yes, Brosnan. I'm a I don't know. I thought Richard Brosnan was like Richard Branson. Yeah, people are saying he's Irish. I thought he was Irish. Yeah, I was I was trying to figure that Daniel Craig. He's just English. And then Timothy Dalton is Welsh. It sounds so dismissive. He's just English. Well, it's just that he is meant to be English. But like, he's so often played by people who are like Irish. I'm pretty sure it wasn't one of them. Australian who was only in it for one movie. Lazenby. Yeah, Shaking Not Stead. George Lazenby. And yeah, it's just that. Shaking Not Stead. Shaking. Shaking Not Stead. Not Stead. Shaking Not Stead. Oh, that's how I like it. Somebody said I don't sound Australian. I think I do. I remember one time somebody thought I was American. Oh, I think I think I think I think I think I think I sound like where I'm from. Big man, suit of armor. Take that off. What are you? I'm playing doctor. That's that's under the mask. It's just another one. It's almost a mix of the world. That's not true. That's Wallace and Gromit accent. Oh, lovely cheese, Gromit. Lovely cheese, Gromit. Wallace's Bond. Do it. And Wallace's Gromit accent is just nothing. Wallace would make an incredible James Bond. He hasn't he already has an incredible familiarity with gadgetry and British culture and British culture. He knows how to deal with animals to befriend them and to eliminate them. Rags, you sound like you're from Arkansas. You ever felt that? I don't, actually. Why is it? I don't sound like I'm from Arkansas, right? Because it's it's it's a Native American name. Yeah, we did look it up. Yeah, because I was always wondering, it's like there's Kansas and then there's Arkansas. What happened? What happened here? Explained it. Arkansas is from the Quapaw by way of the flinch. Yeah, right. Oh, yeah, right. Because the I forget the specifics for what it's for. I can get in second. Not to I don't sound like where I'm from. My son's right. You sound southern. That still covers a rise. A lot of places. The American South is like for UK's. It's a it's a pretty broad area. And not all southerners sound the same. But neither of my parents are really southern. They don't sound southern. And so I was born here and I live through here, but my parents didn't quite have the accent. So a bit of a mix. People would always ask me when I was a server in a restaurant, are you from here or you don't sound like you're from here? And then you're like, that's very offensive. Yeah, the French term Arkansas, their plural term for their transliteration of a cansa and Algonquin term for the Quapaw people. So the Algonquins called the Quapaw thing and the French transliterated that. And that's where we get Arkansas from. And I guess that what I don't know if they put it to a vote or for whatever reason, that one stuck. And that's why we have Kansas and Arkansas. I see. I think Arkansas sounds cooler than Arkansas. Oh, I mean, that sounds cooler than Arkansas. Yeah, but I it's a weird one. I'm just like, why? Why is it pronounced this way? When the possessive form of our state is A-R-K-A-N-S-A-S, apostrophe S. So it ends in the state legislature passed a non-binding resolution in 2007. Just to clear that up, I suppose. You lose lots of people. Right, clear that up. Oh, yeah, we were, yeah, we. Not too early. We were, we were fiftieth in everything until then. Then we got our shit together. Not to tangent us even more, but I was just going to say, like, out of the bonds, who do you think's got the best voice out of a lot of those actors? Well, not the Aussie one. You know, there was an Aussie bond. Yeah, we just went out of that. OK, if you notice, I'm too busy looking. You know, Pierce, did you map Rod Trick was in Ladyhawk? You commented on it because rags immediately said the thing after he didn't have an accent. And then you were like, what was that? Oh, there we go. There we go. I am sorry. You're distracted by the car. I was missing so many great castle images. I'm trying to share with you guys that, you know, just like, look at the last one I just posted. That's a great one. You see, all right, I'll show everybody the sexy castles. But you have to now answer the question. Belch. What was the question? Who out of all the James Bond actors so far is the best voice? Oh, I would probably go Pierce Brosnan. I was kind of floating that way. I think that's a fair choice. I really like his voice. It has like Sean Connery. Well, I mean, my choice is probably Timothy Dalton. I fucking boy. And I mean, Hot Fuzz is the easy one to like reference just for an updated thing, because I don't think many people remember his Bond movie. These are all very nice castles. I'm showing, by the way, to show everyone. Specifically, these are the example of the more representative size of most castles OK, this one, how do we get to this one? Yeah, I help us. Man, there are some awesome locations of the last one because you just that was a real one. When I saw that, I was like, is that a miniature model? No, that's a real freaking castle. Single keep size, single room. And yeah, I've got another picture of that somewhere, actually. Yeah, Sean Connery's voice is pretty classic. That is classic. What's the chat got? Pierce Brosnan or Sean Connery? Dalton was cool. Just watch license to kill. Timothy Dalton's well Jackson comes out a few times and bonkers stuff. That man just needs to play more villains. He's perfect for it. Pierce Brosnan sounds like he'd make love to me. Sean Connery sounds like he'd fuck me. I'd be the most accurately grabs ever since. What would Timothy Dalton do? He'd talk about how he's all of the projects he's got to work on for for a company, Sanford. And I guess he would have a look at the location of that castle. That's like just amazing in the open field. Rags is a stream in which these are being shown on. Oh, I see. Ah, let me let me click the live button because I got the chat. That's that one. That's some. Yeah, that was some of these. Some of these just look like they'd be a pain in the ass to build. They were. And the ones that Mola was just showing, they're called the car for castles. They were never taken or received. So but what happened was they were built on the border between France and another country, but they became redundant when France actually overtook the other country. And so they just ended up being a piece to suck. You think you think the people who ran France at the time, they were like, ah, we could like expand our borders. But those are some nice border castles. So like, ah, it's like, do we want to really, though? I like the idea that Shad is just peeking out of the top of this one being like, come get me, bitches. Like, look at this. The bottom of the mountain is like, nah, you can have it. A slinging to that castle. It's like, good luck. Try to get that one there. I'm not going up there. You have a lot of work. Have your castle. It was like a lot of work for very little gang. Yeah. I mean, you won't be interrupted reading a book up there, I guess. I'll keep it. There was a lot of game. There was a reason why they built them. They were the linchpins of holding land and, you know, in the media, if you wanted to take land, you needed to take the fortifications, the castles of the fortified cities. They were essential in medieval warfare. And so there. And just some of the locations are just amazing and that they built them in that time. That's sorry. You got me on castles. OK, it's OK. It's OK. Did you hear the UK are thinking about going back to the imperial system? I don't know why they would do that. I've not heard that. I have not heard that. Come to the dark source, please. I am doubting. I'm coming down to actually, yeah. It's called dive grass, you uncultured swines. Dive grass. I don't. Sorry, dive grass. One of the sports. Yeah, it's got to be. I don't know. I can't remember what we were talking about. That would be relevant to that. I'm sorry. Dive grass. It is rugby, rugby, because you dive onto the grass. OK. Well, what does it have to do? Like, how does that fit in with anything? It's the urban dictionary, right? Oh, yeah, urban dictionary. You mean the game where players were diving everywhere to milk a penalty? They should call it dive grass. I get you. Now it all comes together. Fun fact, American football is called football due to its origin. Similar to soccer, its origin is from rugby football that your feet are used to successfully execute a goal kick. Right. Wait, is American football actually its origin is rugby? Probably. I mean, they seem like they have similar rulesets. And I think rugby would be older. Yeah, I guess so. I've never looked into the history of rugby. I don't know how long it's been going for. I assume probably a while. Yeah, interesting. We should have seen the assassination Shang-Chi completed before running away from his father. Sounds incredibly important to the character. Racial, indeed. There is development and again, you need to tweak that scene. You need to have it so that I'm totally fine with the dad taking the hit from the demon dragon. Anything for the sun. That's great stuff. We'll keep that. And maybe you have Shang-Chi desperately trying to save his dad with the rings that he has at that point. And it just doesn't work because you need more than the rings, I guess. Well, you don't really because you shove it in its mouth and explode its belly. I don't fucking know. Again, it's hard to have steaks because you have no idea what's happening. And with what the rings are shown actually capable of when they want to achieve something in the plot, the dad could have done any number of a thousand things to get free. Like the rings could have just surrounded the arm that was holding on and suddenly turned into a chainsaw or a chop its arm off for, you know, all the things that they've been capable of. But now he decides to die and just, yeah. Lume would have been cool to have him fight with them. And then if you still want to kill him and do it after that, like you really pound in that he's changed his mind completely because fucking hell is annoying watching him be like, my mom, my wife is in there. I'm sure of it. Sure of it. Hello from Ketchikan, Alaska. Oh, hello again. Hockey games are the funnest games to watch live and I'm not referring to the occasional fights. Maybe we didn't talk about hockey. I mean, it's popular in Canada, right? I think that's like the main sport over there. Good for them. It is. I was able to confirm that, you know, hockey is very popular when I was in Canada. I spoke to some actual native Canadians. Not Native American. I don't know my terminology is getting mixed up. But anyway, for me, they're native Canadians because they anyway, they they like hockey. Yes, that's confirmed. And lots of maple syrup. And they have this thing in Montreal, specifically called patine, which is like chips with I've heard of that. Chips and gravy. You're hungry. You just literally diverted that train right over to cheese curds. They they add melted cheese curds onto it. And I wasn't sold on the cheese curds. They're a bit obsessed with these cheese curds. I even tried to eat some cheese curds by themselves. They're a bit rubbery and they just not sold on the curds. Not about the routine from South Park. Cartman and Kyle were having them. Well, they were talking about their Crack Baby Basketball Association. Yes. You know what is rubbery, but delicious octopus. Yeah, octopus is fantastic. Octopus isn't bad. I'm actually I started by saying that it was good. Yeah, I don't think it's an actually good one. It's just it's actually what you say it's actually good. That's the type of expression where you're using a different concept to say. I think a lot of people are very good. Yeah, I hear that there are some people out there who don't think that octopus are delicious. That is insane. They are very yummy. Yeah. Well, I feel like actually usually means see now you wouldn't expect it to be good or most people don't think it's good or there are multiple uses for words and words can have multiple meanings dependent on context. And that was given me the multiple reasons. And so you could actually you can say actually in the place of their thought, you man. OK, well, you were wrong. I'm just saying what I meant. OK, fair enough. Well, I would want to say that if you wanted to mean very rather than in contradiction to common thought, then I would recommend using a different word. Most people think you mean when you say actually, it's good that you're contradicting the common assumption. I'm blazing in your trail here, Mola. I don't like blazing trails. I think they smell good. And I make it mainstream and people be on board. What are we leaving? Boon marks everywhere. Should I stop it? Yeah. No, no, no. That's not what blazing is for. That's not that's not what blazing means. When you blaze a trail, you are you are putting marks up on trees and things to indicate that this is a trail. Oh, I've never known that. Yeah, that's that's brand new to me. Oh, man, that's a fun one, because I've always assumed it meant you like start up the car really fast and just blast through an area and you make a pathway for something. Because in the same way, if you blaze, if you blaze a trail, you are the you're like it. You're a trendsetter. You're the first to do something. So if there isn't a trail yet, you blaze the trail from the trees that others can follow and then as a result, a trail develops as more and more and more people use it. It's not when people are just making heaps of marijuana and getting whole fully blazed while they blaze a trail. It wouldn't be a trail. It would just be a bunch of people wandering in the woods and getting fully blazed. The lens are new. You got a tail. Oh, wait. I can't tell if Moles being sarcastic or not. I never knew that that's what that meant. I didn't know that either. Yeah, that's new to me. It doesn't come up like people just know what you mean when you say it. You know, it's one of those ones. Yeah, yeah, which will happen. A lot more as time goes on with as we've talked about before, but fast forward and rewind kids ain't going to know what that means. No, why those words are used that way? I mean, I guess rewind, for example, that's got us got to fuck with their head a little bit. What exactly are we winding here to wind it again? Why? What do you mean, wind it? What do you mean, wind? You just I just turn I just put the the the file just goes backward. Why isn't it just backwarding and forwarding? Directly, it was like an old man who was really used to the winding systems of many things. And then when he saw like a DVD, he was like, what the fuck? That's so much easier like the wind. Well, I mean, I'm angry at the fact that the kids get to do that nowadays while he had to wind everything for fuck's sake, there. There's a lot of people who will never know the annoyance that came with putting a VHS into the VHS player. Yeah. And then realizing that the last time you finished it, you didn't rewind it. So you're you're watching credits all of a sudden and you're like, oh, I got to wait, we got to rewind it. You guys have a pull one out and it sounds bad out of context. Pull of tape out of the VHS. It's the it's tangled like it's it's it's chewed on the fucking tape. And you you're like, oh, my God, no. It's like you desperately just try to get it out without damaging that ever happened to us. Oh, I guess as well. It's Fight Club when they're talking about cigarette burns. It's like, yeah, I remember those. Yeah, they don't exist anymore. Cigarette burns. Yeah. So in the the tape, the film reel, like it's multiple reels. You need multiple reels stitched together to be a full film. So the projectionist would make cigarette burns in the top right hand corner so that they knew when to switch over. You may remember when when you watch movies, right, it's like a little a little mark in the top left or right hand corner, which is pop up for like a frame. It's so quick. And a lot of people don't even know those exist until they point it out. And they're like, oh, fuck, OK. But that didn't. Yeah, it's it's super. I remember that. I remember that. Well, yeah, it's just you forget the physical things. These were like physical items, you know, when people fake film grain because they like the look of it. And imagine someone who has no fucking clue what you're talking about. What do you mean? What do you say? What do you mean? And that's like, well, it's printed on film like it's it's on a it's on a physical thing like it's not a digital file. Yeah. And they'll just be. I got to catch them up with all these things. I mean, whippersnappers, you know, it's the reason why they say cut, right? It's like, yeah, cut the. Like like a Q mark in a way. Yeah, basically, it's so that the projectionist knows. All right, the tapes coming on and I need to switch it over to the next one. It's got to be big enough to see, but it can't be too big to where it's obnoxious for the viewer. Well, yeah, unfortunately, because it's only one frame or a couple of frames, you know, it's just the projectionists. But now there's not a factor at all. It's a digital file. You think you'd be able to tell by by the looking at the real and noticing how small it gets. You think you could do that or maybe they just maybe it ends up being more precise than that, right? Because it's literally like you see it and then you pull the lever or whatever you do to switch them over. Yeah, exactly. Hi, Wags. Hello. How is the car mechanic market in Arkansas? Thinking about moving out there. I have no clue about. I will tell you this, though, as I said, every fucking place is hiring. So they should be right. That's something you can find out before moving there, I guess. But I mean, presumably, probably call a bunch of places, ask if they're hiring and do that sort of thing. Yeah, take a look. Do you like about combat sports? What do you like about combat sports? I'm guessing maybe that's what they mean. What do you like about combat sports? I don't know. It's the same kind of rush you get out of action movies, I guess. Yeah, yeah. It's like it's enough. There's a better edge to it because it's real. And you see people who are very talented and they are executing and performing things that are so beyond the normal capacity of regular people. And, yeah, it's amazing. Funnily enough, sometimes I might feel a little bit way worse because of the fact that it's real. I think it's really hard. Yeah, there's no escape hatch for my mind in terms of it's not. It's not real. The person's fine. OK, when someone's like screaming in agony because they break their legs and I'm like, oh, man, that's. Yeah. Well, it's like when you watch those weightlifting videos where people like they dislocate their arm when it falls backward. It's like, oh, they fucking throw up everywhere. I go, it's just you're out. You're done. Like, that's that's it for for for this particular career path. Not only is the injury horrific, but like there's kind of no hope to fully recover from it. I hope you were good at math or good at just making fun of movies. They can join us on EFAP, these X weight lifters. You've got Bobo. Hey, Chad, what were the what what? Where music genres like in the medieval period? Were what were music genre genres like? I assume that's what they meant to say. Unless unless you meant like where music, like at the full moon, the music turns into like death metal or something. It was like where it was a pleasant dirge or a magical. Now it's just that is metal, right? That was that's yeah. Yeah, that's that's that's death metal right there. I'm satisfied with Rags's answer. I think that's acceptable. Oh, but I so medieval instruments actually really interesting and some are pretty weird as well. And so if genres, though, is an interesting kind of question because you don't have too many sources for many of the music. We'd have the instruments. We have some examples that would have been written down. But in terms of, oh, I want this style, this style. That's hard to say because you'll have your minstrel kind of arrangements. But then there'd be sonnets and song, you know, things. But also they love poetry in the medieval period and then poetry in first of the melodic tone is also common as well. And and so I think instead of genre, you would have different arrangements or that involve different kind of groupings of either instruments, styles, the things that incorporate vocals, things that don't. And that's kind of what you would see. And it's interesting that sometimes they had the one that was a bit like a piano. Oh, one of the funniest ones was, I forget, which it was either a bishop of some time he commissioned. He wanted an interesting kind of instrument. And so what they got this guy made, it was. Yeah, it's a bit animal cruelty. He got different sized piglets tied onto this thing. And he had keys like a piano. But when you pressed a key, it would make a lever fall down with a with a pin on it, which would prick the behind, you know, of one of the piglets to make them squeal and you could get different pitch squeals. Now, that's a trail right there. You would press that section. Oh, I don't like that. We're going to go home that guy down with the time traveling machine. He got all these pigs together and he's like, all right, who wants to be a star? I do. You want to make it in this town? Well, it's either that or being bacon. So I don't know. Well, at least you die with the bacon. How long does this torture last? Maybe it depends on how bad the prick is. What if you get turned into making later on? You just suffer and then die. So, oh, man. Or maybe maybe if you're really good, it prolongs your life. Maybe they have a reason to be as there would be a reward. If you can squeal appropriately when you're pricked in the right way and you do it on time, they get released into the wild to live I would I would hasten to definitely what they did outwards. That sounds like definitely kind of animal compassion that they definitely had a feast afterwards. Poor piggy dinner and a show. Yeah, it's making me start. Monsters. So anyway, different time. And you should do a special. Will you look for swords at cashies? What's a cashies like a pawn shop? Like a pawn shop. Maybe, yeah. Well, I oh, just on that note, sometimes I come across, you know, what, like a pig nose? Tailors. No, I don't like that. But so I go to a medieval festival and there's people selling swords and so I'll give it a look and, oh, boy, some of the quality of swords that people are trying to sell. Sometimes it's just awful. Like it's like selling one for, I don't know, between two hundred and five hundred dollars, like I would not pay you ten dollars. No, you would have to pay me to take this piece of crap. Oh, wow. You should do the antique road show, but with swords. You should do that. Actually, maybe the old antique road show. What a weird video. I'll go to a medieval festival and I'll go to one of these people selling swords and I just confront them record right in front of their face. I don't know. You're trying to sell here. This is complete trying to swindle these people. Yeah, do that and do the one we find like they're like, oh, ten dollars this and you're like, yeah, yeah, great. And you grab it and you move out of the room to go, oh, God, it's one million dollars. No. And then you sell it. So far, so far in all the, you know, random retailers I've found. And this is also random shops, everything I've never seen a single sword of this exceptional quality that they didn't know was half decent. And I was trying to sell it, you know, I've only seen crap being peddled as, you know, medium or even great to people that don't know anything, never seen come across like an Albion being sold for ten bucks. I'll be all that haven't seen because I think I saw a couple of episodes of that. And I think that was the appeal for me whenever they walk into a room and this is like shitty old cabinet. And then one of the presenters is like, oh, God, you have no idea. That's an exquisite French laden custodial. God, it's the missing the missing LaRue. And then it's like they fix it up a little bit that they sell it for like 20 times what it was on sale for. What the fuck? Wow. Yeah. Antique people know this shit. Generally, yeah, that tends to be the case a lot of the time. Sense. When you say an antique person, you are for old people. Very, very old people. We are old people who want to be reminded of the childhood and the way that things used to be so they live vicariously through the consumption of goods in mercantile. What Rags said, that's what I mean. More depressing. Hey, you hit Lenny again. What is your problem? What do you do? There's an objective to hit Lenny in every map. What do you mean? No, it doesn't get an achievement. It's not my fault, Fringy. Yeah, I shut you up. Yeah, I'm just going to be wilderness. I'm stunted to silence by the cruelty that I'm witnessing here. Like, listen, it's a it's a man prick pig world out there. All right. It's a man running over Lenny world. Is that what Jimbo told you to do? Are you going to pin it on him? I mean, it wouldn't be pinning it on him if it was him that did it. I I just am skeptical as to this fruit in that claim. It's skeptical. Why is why is Bart driving? Did Bart drive Milhouse's vehicle in the final race or? Milhouse is on the Gaby this mission. So it might be why narratively I have this. I yeah, I guess I'm just I'm because I remember Bart wasn't as good. But then this one on a roller. I thought that was Martin's or whatever. That's that's what I'm saying. It was Martin's. You said Milhouse. Did I did I say OK, I meant Martin. I it's pretty cool car, except that it didn't deploy the parachutney crash into it. Well, then it just got set on fire for some reason. The amount of jokes in the Simpsons that they're just things catching on fire. Something funny about a big orphanage, I feel like Norbert Dottel would probably take advantage of that. There really is. Yeah. Anyway, Team America, Orgasmo and Baseball are amazing, but in that order only. Well, Baseball. Yeah, I was going to say for you. You've seen Team America. So you just got to see Orgasmo and Baseball. To complete the trilogy. All right. Death race should be a sport. I mean, death race would be watched by everybody if that was real sport. Holy shit. It would be the great cultural unifier of our age. I mean, kind of, right? Like, everyone gets to build their own sort of crazy vehicles. I guess in this context, they would be convicts or whatever. But if if it wasn't that people that if you're died, you're like, oh, it's not that it's actually kind of like it's all right that they died. It's like Mario Kart in real life, but with like drastic consequences to the point of killing people is like totally normal. Did you guys ever see death race? No, you talk about the new one with is it Jason Statham? Is that the guy? Yeah, I think Paul W. West Anderson made it, right? I think so. So he wears a needle guy. But yeah, the idea is like everybody sort of has their own as a movie would probably work for if movies. It's like they all have personalities to what I mean by that is like they're like caricatures, like they'll be like a Russian guy who has loads of guns on his car or whoever. But the main character has the tombstone, which is like the cool ability of a giant block of metal on the back of his car. It's really good for as a shield. But then his like ulty is dropping the tombstone, which just crashes down the course is so Mario Karty. Everyone would watch it and everyone would want to innovate a car that beats the others and if they're crazy enough to do it. Do you reckon that would have a lot of takers if it were legal with how dangerous it is? If it paid enough, you bet your ass. Yeah, even to the death, I think people would want to chase after glory and stuff. Because there are people who do profoundly stupid things just for the bragging rights, the glory, the attention. I mean, there are people who actually fight with deadly sharp swords just for the sake of it and the idiots, right? You know, it's really bad things can result out of it, but they still they're people who do it. I know, I'm sorry. The maybe that's the thrill, you know, because it's going to say even like this the racing and just done IRL with like different tracks all over the world and stuff, there's loads of deaths on them and lots of famous drivers, like the best drivers of all time. A lot of them died because it's just malfunctions and stuff. I learned a lot about a lot of the ones that did die through a grand tour. They did like special episodes on a lot of the greatest drivers of all time. And it sucks because a lot of the time it would be the vehicles failing them sort of thing, like different design floors that come from desperately trying to create the best vehicles and stuff. Since you're not talking about Shang-Chi, did you hear Nicki Minaj called Vorsa Pito? It was glorious. Oh, my God, did that seriously happen? Nicki Minaj? Maybe this isn't the worst time. What? I need is is that I heard she I heard she went after his ass or whatever that is. Holy shit, it can nudge me in, but not that one. I mean, because it will be really unlikely to have sent that super chat if that's not something that happened. But it's just it feels surreal. Y'all have probably gone to this question already, but have any of you seen Malignant, completely insane, but fully entertaining to watch? Toodlepip were actually what I've heard the planning to watch it. And it might be released this year. If it can't make it because how editing goes, you'll see it next year for sure. Has anyone really been far, even as decided to use, even go on to look more like? It's been a while since I've heard that one. Very good. Hmm. What do you guys do? I do agree with that. What do you think it's a bit? No, I don't endorse. I'm thinking that is a definite possibility. I think there's a lot of discussion to be had there. I'm glad they asked. I agree. Yeah. There's a golf course in Australia with a lake full of bull sharks. Is that enough of a hazard rags? I mean, I mean, as long as you don't go in the lake, you should be fine. Well, you were saying you wanted a golf course with real hazards, right? I mean, like, yeah, I guess in the sense of because normally a lake is only a hazard if you don't know how to swim. So yeah, that could be a non-swimmers are allowed to play this course to make the hazards more real is dwarf tossing a sport. Yeah, probably. Yes. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Reminder that Fringy calls soda soft drinks. What's wrong with that? I mean, that is an umbrella term, I think. They are soft drinks. Yeah, we call them sodas here. They call them up north. Is the idea of hard drinks relate to alcohol and soft drinks? No, we don't call them fizzies. We're not we're not that you call it rags. But because it is a man's game is a man's board. Holy crap. But is a sport for men. But but many of your golf. No, no, no, no, no, mini golf. No, we're not putting any in there. It is put put. You are struggling to make miniature a bad word. Put put is easy. It's a self-explanatory. But yeah, it's self-explanatory for the grand incredible sport. The competitive thrill, the windmill dodging, ramp rolling, birdie gaining, hole in one, attaining, trap evading thrill ride that it is. Choose the color of your ball and choose the length of your putter. And we shall see who wins on this day. It sounds like you're a describing mini golf. Don't be desperate. Doesn't mean no, no, no, no. This isn't this is put put this way better than. Oh, no, no, what you're describing? Many golf is like what's that for oompa loompas? What's that for ants? How the fuck do you compare for ants? Put put sounds like like house. No, no, no. But putt sounds like an oompa loompert. The dump. Like that's through your mind. That's that's that sounds like an incredible sport for men. But this sounds like an oompa loomper janitor. He's like a putt, but a putt. Many golf sounds like a fucking smurf. Does it really, though? What's the connection there? I feel like you're just you're grasping at straws right now. Yeah, there are no straws being grasped here. We can see them. I that I can see the number of straws being grasped here is honestly kind of unfathomable. No, the the number of straws being grasped, it is it is a round number that rhymes with hero. All right, boy, just digging that grave, zero. I mean, those are not ways to get zero across. It sounded a bit desperate. I don't know. I just wanted to I just wanted to something easy so you could feel like I figured something out. No, I think I think you were trying to find a way to like delay so that you could figure out, you know, your counter arguments. Absolutely. You're trying to get a little straight because, you know, you're you're on the losing side of this one. The only thing straight around here is my shots in putt putt straight into the case. It doesn't make putt putt better as a name. It does. No, you can just transfer that over. Any sport that I am any sport that I am better at automatically makes it better. Are you saying you're not good at mini golf? I don't play mini golf. I want some kind of nerd. I play man's game. You're better or worse out of them. Yeah, I'm I think I'm I can I can take one look at I can take one look at mini golf and know that I'm not. Why would I ever sully these these hands? Why don't you? Why don't you catch these hands on the putt putt course? The levels of cope are getting pretty extreme here. Clearly, he was like really bad at mini golf. But he's like, you know, putt putt going high guys. All right, but by now, get some stock in copium. It's just going through the roof. I'm not a financial adviser, but by way, wouldn't it? So but if there's supposed to be more, wouldn't the price be going down? No, you're hogging up all the copium, so it's becoming a rare commodity. Am I hogging up all the copium? You invest. Yeah. Well, if they have some extra money, that what they can do is they could come down to the putt putt range where all the shots take place and they can challenge me to putt putt where they will lose because I play man's games. I play men's sports, the range. Yeah, because of all these all these long days. Yeah, because everyone better stand back where it's safe because I'm about to fire this thing right into the hole. Hole in one. Through the gaps over the rocks around the ridges. Eighteen holes of putt putt and glory. Nice smooth green turf level sticks. And we're going to we're going to sink it every time. Do you think we're going to slide it right in there? How they're going to name it? They originally called it putt putt putt. And then they're like, no, it's too gay. You don't need a little bit gay like putt putt. Yeah, I don't think that's that. I don't think that's the reason they went and the chads who are like so golf, but smaller and like miniature. And they're like, just call it any golf and exactly. And because it's smaller, it requires more skill and to be out of handle. Certainly more than putt putt. No, definitely. So, Fringy, do you say fizzy when you're describing soft drinks sometimes? No, I always call them soft drink. Have you heard people call it just fizzies? Yeah, yeah, I have. People call them fizzies. Yeah, but I typically call them soft drinks. I don't call them soda ever. Yeah, so just a bit weird. I don't think I've ever said that once in my life, except for then. Well, we have all down them fizzies. There is a drink. We have a drink here that is a soda. Yeah, but that's yeah, creaming soda. But we we don't call them all sodas because they are soft drink. So ultimately, that is 29. Holy fuck, he looks like he's 45. Who's are you sorry? Each bomber guy, I guess it's his 29th birthday. Is that a joke? He looks. I don't think he does not look like he's in his 40s. Yeah, I don't know where you go after him. Is it because of the hair or because he's usually shaving that down now? Oh, it's good. Yeah, I think you look like you shave it down a lot more next time I get my hair cut. You know, I got my long luscious. Yeah, basically get it all off. I want to think I want, especially since summer's coming up. I think I want less. Yeah, just get rid of it. Keep the beard, though. A beard and it's not really a beard. So I can't. I might my human doesn't grow beard. He he trims his facial hair. I guess the beard doesn't really mean much under the mask. I need to think about Halloween costumes. Oh, shit. Yeah, 10 days. Yeah, a new one from you. I demand a new one, a new costume. Mm hmm. You have to go something different every year until we're dead. Like and like, I could like go to the I know the Halloween store there's a big spirit of Halloween store thing that opens up around this time. It's it's open. It's out there. Do I can go see if I could be a bumblebee or a ladybug or maybe I could be one of the things I could be. Maybe I could be a a mushroom or maybe I could be. Summer's coming up halfway in September, like a cutting board. This is Southern Hemisphere. Go ahead, continue. Oh, just a second. I'm getting a call. Who know, Momento? All right. Oh, well. So anyway, I don't mind the people don't consider Lalo C.S. a sport. That's why they're E-sport, but I hate it when people demean those who play it professionally. I'm here. But so this was the thing, though. You if someone says I'm willing to call them an E-sport, but not a sport. I'd be like, so is an E-sport just a sport, but online? Well, see, to me, it feels like they're actually confusing terms of words because sport just by itself must therefore include everything that can be considered a subcategory of sport. It's the most general term in reference to a sport. And I'm talking about. Exactly. And if E-sport is literally has the word in the name, it's a type of sport by definition. Technically, you might say, well, it's not a physical sport or a ball sport or a football sport or something. But it's like, well, not exactly. Is it not a sport? Well, I got I got the definition of sport by adding prefixes to them. It'll be email versus mail, right? They're both mail. Yes, exactly. And they do they function perfectly the same. It's just the one in the electronic is where that comes from. Yeah. And even if you can't say that mail, the original concept, couldn't have incorporated the definition of email because email didn't exist. That category must be broadened when email is invented as a new type of mail and it encompasses and this is the same with E-sport. You might think that originally, because E-sports didn't exist. It can't be encompassed. But no, the new sports can be invented all the time and come under that same umbrella. The only problem with this is I am not married to sport at all. And so I'm just like, whatever, categorize it with whatever's accurate. But there are people out there who are like, fuck you, E-sports are not sports. It's like, I don't know, man, you gotta get used to it. I'm sorry, man, like people care about this stuff. They engage with it. It's like skill, get good at these things. Now, let's see. Let's see how far this can be pushed, right? Because there are things that, you know, people will try and claim that do not meet the true category and definition, for instance, say cheese. And someone has a new type of cooking meat and has no cheese in it, but they call it a meat cheese or something like that, right? Is that definitionally cheese because it's called meat cheese is a new type of cheese? As I would say, I can't because cheese has a more strict understanding and definition based on being a byproduct of dairy, essentially, and the way it's made creates a very almost strict kind of category and definition of cheese. And so I don't think you could invent anything and give it a name that is related to something else and then say by the name that is there for a new type. And so with eSports, I think the reason why you can do it is because of standards that exist and categories that you already give sport to like NASCAR or whatever sports things. Well, yeah, it's competitive and it takes skill. Yeah, exactly. And it does require a level of physical exertion. And I mean, I would say like it would be a little awkward to suggest that if you're playing like a first person shooter competitively, that there is no level of physical exertion there. Well, someone getting tired out. The way the chat said, darts made this happen because darts is a sport. Oh, yeah, and it has to be a sport. Yeah, like that's got to I know people will be like, there's still more physical exertion in darts than there are in eSports. I just be like, I mean, we're getting to the point now where it's really though, that's it. That's that's it. I'm going to agree with that. Like if you're playing League of Legends or something competitively, you're probably going to have super good hand coordination. And I was going to say, with darts, they do dot, dot, dot. And then they usually sit down, right? Or they can. And doesn't poker, isn't poker considered a sport? If poker is considered a sport, it's over then. Yeah, and I think it is. I think it would have to be its competitive. It's a skill based game. I think that's really what matters more than physical exertion is competitive and skill. I think so. Yeah. Hang on, hang on, hang on. So poker, I'm not so sure of that. I think there's a far less physical component to it. What's the argument? I think that's that's the point, right? There is no physical component, more or less at all. But I would still consider it to be a sport. What chess is? Chess is a sport, isn't it? Chess, I would absolutely consider a sport. Really? As far as I'm not even going with like my opinion here, I'm pretty sure chess is a sport, isn't it? I think it's considered a sport. I think so. Widely? Well, can you can you Wikipedia it? See if it's like listed as a sport at any point. I'm very curious about that. Google, Google, help me out. I'm sorry, I'm trying to work in on the comic. Let me go back to back and chat. Chess is a sport. Absolutely. Chess isn't a sport. Chess sport. So chess is recognized by the International Olympic Committee as a sport. I feel like that's going to be the best. OK, well, if chess is legitimately a sport, I feel like it has to be a sport. Yeah, it's hard to exclude many other things, even poker. I mean, and you know, like if chess doesn't count as a sport, I feel like that's meaningless anyway as a thing, because like chess is incredibly competitive, school based game that's like it doesn't really take away from any level of legitimacy. I just think that there are people who very much are invested in the physical. But the problem is that the line with every example we give gets like more complicated, you know. So exactly at the risk of potentially triggering a massive tangent, but I am deeply interested in what you guys think, because there has been a debate that we have had over on my other channel, Game Nights, which has been a very passionate, involved, intensive debate on a very crucial question. And it is about chess. That is, is chess a 2D or 3D game? Isn't it both? I feel like it could be both, right? No, no, what is it fundamentally? What is a 2D or 3D game? So my confusion here is like saying, what is Mario fundamentally 2D or 3D? I'd be like, well, there are 2D Marios and 3D Marios, so I don't understand. I guess I'm not sure what the question is, like, are you saying what is it more so than like which plays into it more, the 2D aspects or the 3D aspects? Because I feel like it would probably be 2D. I was about to say, if we go in that direction, you don't require the third dimension for chess to work. Yeah, that's true. So I feel like I feel like the fact that you don't need 3D, but you absolutely need two dimensional means that has to be a 2D sport to fit everything requires at least 2D, right? Right. Not necessarily. Is there a 1D sport? Well, I mean, I guess there would be certain sports that don't make sense in 2D that make sense. I feel like it's got to be 2D, right? Flat plane, it's move X, Y axis, like people. Yeah, well, I'll ask Rags the question. See what he says. Rags is chess, a 2D or 3D game. It's 2D. Yeah, I feel I feel like 2D. It has what would be the what would the its length and width? I agree. Like you could you could literally you look down from the top and like there's no there's no like vertical components to it. It the the plane feel this flat. The pieces can be represented with simple icons that could just be part of the space itself. It doesn't there's no there's no horizontal aspect to it. Ah, it's good to hear you guys put my heart stress. Yes, I like that was my contention as well. Why? Absolutely. I'm mentally 2D game. Yeah, I was going to say, there's nothing to argue because I had an hour long debate with some of the other game nights over on the channel. Well, tell us about their arguments. What was it? What do they think the third dimension is? Well, their argument was that, well, I don't want to. Don't want to don't worry. We will not we will not use any names. Just just give us an idea of approximation of what someone might say. Is that the most common representation of chess is in a 3D format? And when people refer to you, I live in reality. I live in reality, but like that doesn't I don't think that means anything in terms of well, I just agreed with that one because you can technically play chess in your head with another person with grid references and you don't need it represented in a 3D world to be played. I guess. Yeah, like, I think it's just a matter of that almost feels like, well, if I draw something on a paper, that's 3D because like I can. Well, I got that was one of the arguments that people were saying, like on the chess debate legitimately and ironic comments saying because it exists in the 3D world, it must be 3D at that. Then that's sort of the values the entire point of these dimensions is a thing. Yeah, we have pieces because we like the artistry of it and we like the representation visually of it, but you could. Yeah, there's there's no necessity for a third dimension. It's not like a ball is moving through space up and down and left and right and has a there's no depth like screwball. And so it's required. Yeah, there's play that. Yeah, no, I've never heard of that one. I've never heard of screwball scramble. Hey, chat, who's hit of screwball? Scramble is one of my favorite fucking games when I was a kid and the idea is just you have a bowl and you have to get it through the entire course using all of your console buttons and it would be like to push it through like little tunnels or to bounce it across little platforms to use a magnet to rift it across. But that would be a 3D game, like a board game, even, because I wanted to kind of dispel the idea that like all board games might be, you know, like there's there's a difference between chess and screwball scramble. There you go. Right. To just highlight that not all. Yeah, that there are some fundamentally 3D games. Yeah, I'm seeing at least one person who knows screwball scramble. You're my excellent spirit animal. OK, Mouse Trap is another one like that. Yeah, you guys remember Mouse Trap, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, there you go. Seems fun. Yeah. I do prefer Monopoly. I actually really like Monopoly. I hate Monopoly. You actually enjoy it. See, to me, it depends on how you play. I enjoy Monopoly when you can be really, you know, I guess mischievous, very mischievous. Yeah, when you yeah, when when you negotiate and you have, you know, that interaction between players, Monopoly can be heaps of fun. Yeah, when there's a lot of modifiers and extra rules and things you're allowed to do to make it interesting, I'm a lot more keen on it. But default rules, it's it's fine. I think I do like the aspect of making a lot of freedom with how you could wheel and deal and how you could agree to do things and, you know, adding a bit of options into it. I definitely agree with that. I way prefer like non-vanilla Monopoly, but at the same time, those games can die so early if people get the right roles. And it's just like, well, that's true. And then, you know, what you can do is have them be like, let's make this a bit more fair. I'll, you know, you can take a thousand out of the bank for free if we both agree. And it's just like, this feels weird. Like we have to create handicaps to account for the fact that you've just gotten the best properties and I keep landing on them. Yeah, that is the frustrating part about Monopoly. The luck factor and how it can discount on a large measure any level of skill that you might be able to bring to the game to win can just be subverted completely by someone getting lucky. That's annoying. Yeah, like for instance, like play Monopoly one time with a goal to be the first person to go bankrupt where that is your goal, to get your, to spend your money as much as possible. You still might win. The first person to zero wins sort of thing. Yeah, first person to spend all of their money and go bankrupt, they win. For that, do you give more start to money or do you stay the same? You could stay the same, but it changes your objective and how you always buy everything you possibly can. You want as few moves consistently as you go around the board. That does sound interesting. Honestly, I wouldn't be curious to how well that works as a sort of new kind of game. But there's all kinds of different, like extra rules and variants that you could look up on the internet. And some of them are really, some are really interesting. A lot of people know a lot about, some of them, like technically, if you land on go, you collect 400 instead of 200. That's technically not in the rules. It's just sort of an accepted thing that a lot of people do. The worst situation is when you got zero money, basically zero houses and hotels and properties and you land on like the biggest one and the business is like, it's okay, you can owe me. Yeah. Another thing too is a lot of people think that whenever you go bankrupt, your properties go to the bank, but technically in the rules, all of that goes to the person who essentially cleans you out. Your stuff goes to the bank, which is often not used because it's just the rich get richer. It's like, who's called monopoly? Like, yeah, I know. But it's still here. It's, that's, you know, that's just. Monopoly. I had to play, I had the game. Also, oh, when someone lands on a property for sale and they don't buy it, it immediately goes up for auction with the rest of the players. Another rule that you can use. You can't collect rent on properties while you're in jail. If you roll snake eyes, you pay money. When the person who's like the richest knows everything goes to jail, everyone's like, roll the dice now, go, go, go, go, go, run around. Yeah, but the ability. The stuff where you can give loans to other players and you can, you can do these strange transactions with other players and things of that nature. I like those kinds of rules where you can try and stuff that can circumvent the unluckiness that dice can give. Yeah. I like stuff like that where you can try and, you know. You can do a double the effects of all community chests and chance cards as well. You know, like to raise the stakes in a lot of ways for different players. This is just like a bazillion different rules you can make that are real fun. You guys, yeah, like if you want to, instead of using the chance and community chest cards, whenever someone lands on one of those, they have to pay money for their houses and hotels they have, which can be used as a way to keep the players who are caught ahead in check. Because there is that one card, right? There's like, where it's like pay however much dollars for every house and hotel you have, which is supposed to, I guess, try and, you know, balance the people who are winning hardcore. Another, oh, using three dice for movement. So you roll three dice and you get to choose which two you want to use for your movement. You have a little bit of set, you have a little bit of say, it's not just whatever you get you get, you can actually sort of pick and choose a little bit. Do you, is it a vanilla rule or not that double six is another turn? I think it's doubles of any kind, I believe. Doubles is any, yeah, but if you do it three times, you go jail, yeah. But then, yeah, that's right. Then you go to jail, that's true, yeah. Let me see, there's a lot of little rules like that that make things a bit interesting. It's a game that you could really sort of, you know, fuck around with to make it cool. Absolutely, yeah. I generally like the first one I mentioned the whole, whoever can go bankrupt first. That's often a thing that's really fun to do in games where like the exact opposite, how do I get, you know, how do I kill my player the fastest or how do I lose the fastest? Sometimes that could be really, it totally turns everything on its head, especially with Monopoly when you know what you want, especially going around the board the first time, you wanna snag as much as you can or you wanna try to get to these properties first and get them. I personally really like to snag the oranges in the reds whenever I can, particularly the oranges. But then you're like, oh, if I'm trying to lose money, what do I wanna do? Especially if you add in a three dice rule and you have a little bit of say, like which thing will make me lose the most money possible? Hey, frags, sorry, gotta go watch DSP's stream again. Oh, that's fair enough. Yeah, you gotta do it. He needs all, he needs, you know, he needs it. He is a legend among us. Congrats to Ozzy, America and Englishland on the new alliance and Psych, Canada and New Zealand. Fringy, I knew you were gonna talk about this topic, go ahead. Oh, I know Paul Keating isn't a fan, but I don't know enough about it to have a perspective one way or the other. I don't know what it means or anything like that. It's not something I'm super familiar with. Shang-Chi is the worst hero I've ever heard of, but you have heard of him. I mean, vaguely. Well, I've heard of him now. Yeah, I've just certainly heard of him now. And he's the best hero in phase four at least so far, so you know, good for him. Shad, Shang-Chi means ascending vital energy. How's that? Ascending vital energy. How does it translate? What's like Shang, does that mean ascending? And Chi is obviously, yeah, you know, get your Chi energy. So Chi is your wife, Chi is your energy. That sort of stuff I like about Taoism and those sorts of ancient philosophers that are super interesting and neat. I still think Shang sounds like a descriptive phrase of doing something when you go and Shang something. Maybe, am I thinking of Shang, when you get Shang someone? Or Hang, to hang something. Hell, Hang, yes. Shang, something combine them up. Combine them, Shang, Shang. Shang, you bastard. Shang, you bastard. Tom Scott made a cool video about the phonetic alphabet and all the sounds humans use in speech, the well shall the only ones that use the LL sound to be... Huh. I thought we were, I've not heard it anywhere else. Very strange one. By the way, when we, that, I took a seven minute interlude there for a moment before we got into the monopoly talk. That was my daddio getting back to me about the house question about the which decade. His answer might surprise you. He talked to her about seven minutes or so and let me go about housing and things. So for starters, he doesn't really like modern houses. Okay. All good on him, I agree. What's the good man? He doesn't like about them, sorry. Yeah, a lot of the times it's the outside shape and how he didn't go too deep into it, at least now. But we had talked about this every once in a while when we go out and get breakfast or whatever. We do, depending on how it's done, we can like a more, because as housing, generally the rooms were smaller back then and now they get more and more open and stuff. And so you have, especially nowadays in modern houses, a very big kitchen, living room, like lounge kind of area, that's just a singular, large kind of open, more open space and those can be done well. But generally he really doesn't like. I prefer that style. Yeah, he doesn't like generally modern, the look and some of the layouts for things. But he said that his favorite decade, if he had to choose, was 1910s to 1920s. And he really enjoys a lot of the Jeffersonian influences that they had in terms of their prairie and craftsmen styles, the outside in terms of brick and the columns and things of that nature. And he said, because he was thinking this from a term of aesthetics and also the utility aspect. Well, houses made in that time, they did have electricity and they did have essentially modern-esque piping that can still be used pretty much as normal. And you can add air conditioning to these places. So my grandparents, for instance, they have an old plantation house out in the country. And what they do is they have an external unit and they have essentially all of the machinery and stuff is external, it's on the side of the house and air is pumped in their case through the bottom, how that the bottom space underneath the house, it comes up through there and through the floors. And that's what happens a lot of the time, these older houses from the 10s and 20s, they just get these add-ons to, generally it will be air conditioning or modern wiring if it needs it. But there's space for all that stuff in these houses. So you can work with that and you can do it. But that's his answer. He likes those styles of houses. Fair enough. And older architecture to be far more artistic and beautiful than this modern, brutalist, blocky crap that we see in the modern day. The thing is that I can kind of like brutal stuff. I think sometimes it can be super neat, just it's interesting. And I think, I feel like minimalism gets a bad rap probably because, well, actually, there's plenty of reasons why. But I find that there can be a lot of value in like super minimalist designs that aren't incredibly detailed, like a certain clarity to them. I think that there's interesting things to be said about a whole bunch of different eras. This might be a controversial one. I kind of don't like when there's a neighborhood where all the houses look the same. Like, I kind of hate that. Is that controversial at all? I don't think that's controversial. Is that controversial? I don't think it is. I think it, well, it's not a thing in America that there are just like a lot of areas where the houses are identical. Well, yeah, because what they do is they, if there's a housing development project, what they do is all the houses are basically made like one after the other or simultaneously. And they all are the same color, same roof color, same tile, same grid, same pretty much identical layout. Basically, we need to put up a dozen houses here. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And they all go up and they all look the same. And I hate that. Well, the interesting thing is, I've had conversations where apparently it's just a thing that certain people like, that they like the uniform nature of the designs. But like, personally, I don't like the idea. I think it's the idea that there's a certain synergy. Everything kind of fits and it looks the same. My problem is I don't want to live in a house that looks the same as all the houses. I feel like I'd legitimately get to you sometime where I live. I just feel depressed, like I'm just, there's nothing special about where I live. It's just all an empty, yeah. Yeah. Like I'm just a thing. My house is like all the other houses. This was put up to make a bunch of money for a property developer. This was not a community that naturally developed. I would say I like neighborhoods where the houses are often the same style, so you don't have a, yeah, you don't have a 50s style house that's next to a super modern looking house. And next to that, there's a 70s style house and they're all, not something crazy, but where they're all like, they're all just like houses, you know, just normal houses where their brick color's different and they're not all shaped the same. And maybe the neighborhood is one or two, two story houses, that sort of thing. That's what I like. And some have more trees and some have more bushes. If you found the house that you wanted in terms of space and rooms and everything, it was like, ah, this is just what I want. But it's one of those uniform houses. Would you then not buy it because of that? I might, yeah. I might not. I might not. I don't think it would happen to me. I'm way more concerned about the utility than whether or not it fits in uniform with a bunch of other houses. I guess the question is, if you're in a situation where you have no other choices, I don't know. I think that there's something to be said about the aesthetic of the other houses you choose to live in, in the area and what it looks like. Yeah, I- If I was allowed to re-paint it or something like that, then, yeah. You have to be allowed to do that. Is there any place you're not allowed to re-paint your own? I assume. Are you allowed to? It might depend on, I don't know. If you buy it, if you bought it. I have no clue about that. I assumed that you could paint your own. Like, I don't know. You can't hear. Yeah, everyone. You know what? Are you sure about that? Like, I'm pretty sure that people can, like, contest things to fuck with the neighborhood in ways that they feel like they want to do. Do you mean, like, if you painted it like bright paint or something? Yeah, but that would be something that you'll, like, know beforehand if it's one of those big neighborhood things, because the realtors would probably have that as a preview. People saying that H-Aways, in America, H-Aways prevent you from painting your house in some ways in context. That sounds right to me, that there'd be some- Yeah, in some ways. I can't make it full, like, black shit, man. I was gonna say, that would annoy the fuck out of me. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. I get it, though. It might be the case in one of these neighborhoods. I get it. I get it, but at the time, it's almost like this is my shit. Yeah, like, if you make a house, if you make a house and you paint it like screaming bright-ass zonker green and in polka dot purple with yellow stripes all over it and- Why can't I do that, though? You know, it's my property. Well, yeah, but then it's like, oh, it lowers the value of the other houses potentially and it might throw people away if I live across from that ugly-ass- That's the free market at work right there. That's the free market at work. I'm sorry. That is? It's the free market. I do find it amusing that things that are really beneficial for areas can just get shot the fuck down because of property value. Like, things that are just incredibly useful or really important and necessary to an area, getting destroyed and then a lot to happen because, yeah, because, oh, my property value. One of the things I will say, and my parents are, and they despise this, and I do too, people just paint brick. I don't know if that's the thing that happens over there, but it's starting to be a new thing that people do. Oh, you mean like- I know, right? It's not actually brick, they're just putting bricks on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What? No, we're talking a brick house with like brick and they just paint over the whole fucking thing. Like a gray, they'll just take gray paint and they will, there's actually, next time I go walk and there's a house nearby where they've done that and it's just a brick house that they have painted gray over the bricks, over the spaces in between the bricks. It's all just gray. And it looks like crap. And I have no idea why some people do that or why this trend caught on, because it looks awful and brick looks great. You'll just get a brick, just build out a brick. No, no, no, it was built out of bricks. Oh yeah, yeah. Okay. He's saying they paint all of those. It was a perfectly good looking brick building with bricks of all, because they come in all kinds of colors and they paint over it. So it basically paints a house with a texture of bricks. Well, I know my favorite thing I saw was there's a, there's like this burger place I went to was kind of hipster sort of thing. So it had the exposed brick kind of industrial look to it. But you could see that the brick was fake and that the wall was actually made of concrete. Like you could see that because it didn't fully go right to the bottom. If, I don't know if you've ever been, well probably not because you love another side of the planet. For those of you who live over here, if you ever go to Mount Vernon, which is George Washington's place, one of the things that over there they have, so like stone and stone buildings, it's not like today where it's a lot easier to get your hands on stone and all kinds of different kinds of stone and stuff like that to build a house. So what you'd often do is you use fake stone. So when you painted over some of the stone shaped woodwork on the externity of your house, you would mix in like sand and stuff with the paint so that it would seem as if it was stone because it had a little bit of grittiness to it. And from a distance, it looks basically just like stone, but then you get up to it and you're like, wait a second, that's not quite stone. I'm being fooled. You lied to me. I'm being fooled. I don't know what it's called though. But yeah, Mount Vernon's lovely. I will say Monticello is my preference, but Mount Vernon is very nifty. Just on your comments before freeing you about, you know, sometimes minimalist and even brutalist architecture be, you know, decent. And look, I do admit sometimes it's like I see, yeah, there's a beauty in that. But to me, it just cannot compare. It's not always horrible. Really, yeah, beautiful classic, you know, buildings and stuff. Like I'll post some examples. I'm inclined to agree. I do typically prefer older looking stuff. I guess it's more just that I'm not so opposed to minimalist kind of modern stuff that seems a lot of people are. OK. Yeah, that Gothic stuff is really cool. Yeah, look at this. Like how Gothic-incorporated modern buildings, they look amazing. That's really cool. Yeah. I was just gorgeous. Mola comes back maybe he'll get it. Yeah, yeah. I remember seeing someone in chat say they like Tudor on the outside, but the inside is kind of shit. I like Tudor. Yeah, Tudor is probably one of my favorite stars in terms of just home cottage. Stars, I love the old medieval cottage look. Yeah, Tudor is really cool. I like log cabins. I really like log cabins. I'm not sure that I would ever live in a log cabin house. Maybe I'm not sure. Ruralism is not the same as minimalism. Well, I'm kind of defending both. I like minimalism as well. In certain context, I'm not super big fan of like all of the sort of incredibly like minimalist apartments and things, apartment buildings that are getting put up around like pretty much in all the Australian cities. Really cheap. Oh, they all fly. They go up super quickly. And apparently they're not particularly like, yeah, that's just not great. There's like a lot of just stock standard Australian built homes by the major companies. Not only have I never been a big fan of them, it's really hit home to me how really ugly they are generally when I was traveling through some, you know, Canadian neighborhoods. They have these beautiful homes with these high angled roofs with this really strong cottage kind of medieval flavor to them. And they're just gorgeous. These streets and neighborhoods were just absolutely beautiful. And then I wanted to show some of the friends that I was hanging out with over there what a normal Australian neighborhood looks like in a country town. Because one of the things that was throwing me so much is that they don't have sidewalks in most of these Canadian neighborhoods. And I was like, it's so weird. It feels fake to me because none of the streets have sidewalks. It was bizarre. And so I wanted to show them normal. No sidewalks, okay. Yeah, no sidewalks. And in Australia, they're everywhere. You can't have a neighborhood without a sidewalk. It's so weird. Of course. Yeah. And so I wanted, I showed them one of the normal Australian homes and neighborhoods. And so, and I picked a new development. I went on Google Earth and I knew where it was and showed them. And when I saw them, I was just honestly, like it struck me so strongly. I was like, wow, I knew that I didn't like them. But in comparison to these beautiful neighborhoods, I'm seeing, man, Australian homes are ugly. These flat, squat, low-angled roof, stock-standard factory, they're just awful with very little character. And it really was a stark contrast. I guess I was thinking about the reasoning for why that's the case, because it might just be that a lot of Australian houses built pretty recently, like in the 60s, 70s, 80s. Yeah. Yeah. These cities just aren't old enough to have a house. 70s houses used a lot of character, though. Yeah. Some of the older homes are pretty nice. Yeah, I like 70 houses. My current home is a much older home. It's one of the oldest homes in the town, actually. And it actually has a decent character to it. It's got a nice kind of front with a nice angled roof on it and things. But it's because you have to go so far back. A lot of the real, you know, cheaply built ones, like a lot of the homes, the SES built and things, are just really plain and flat. And there's nothing special making them stand out or pop. And then the modern houses that are being just spat out everywhere, so few have real character. Unless you find a more independent builder that does kind of country timber homes, then you can get some nice character homes. But the main stuff? I guess it depends on... I do wonder how many people build their own homes, because I imagine if you build the house that you want to live in, you can kind of find ways to inject character. But if you just go into these developments where they're just throwing them up, then, yeah, you're probably not going to get anything particularly fancy. Bring in those great residents. I mean, at this point... Yeah, I remember that one. I was like, that's why I love this game. Now I'm just... Yeah, this game is like a love letter to Simpsons fans. I'm now just thinking about how depressing the property market is here. It feels like people just want the house. Like, they want the land. They don't want to fuck what it is. Just because of the fact that the housing prices here are so high. Again, average house price in Sydney is like $1.2 million. Average. It's sanity. Average. That's like if you live 40... That's like if you live 30 minutes away from the city. That's average. And it's pretty similar everywhere. It's like, Melbourne's like a million. I think Brisbane's $700,000 or $800,000. It is. There are not many... Unless you live in a country, and even then... That's what I live in the country, man. That's where... Well, no, in my area houses are far more affordable. I bought my first house for $110,000. And my second house, the one we're currently living in, was about $320,000. So it was a bit of a... $110,000 for that first one. That's in Australia dollars. That's like monopoly money. I know. Yeah, yeah, it was a really... It was a great investment. It's worth over $200,000 now. It's doubled in value since I bought it. And so really good investment. So I moved that when I was early on. Oh, hey, Mola, I sent some images to show for any type of architecture that I really, really love. The stuff that incorporates classic stuff. And I think the chat just wanting to see one or two of them. Oh, the chat want to see it, do they? Yeah, the chat want to see it. Oh, right. So because people on chat are like, $1.2 million USD is like $30,000 USD, right? Okay, so the median house price in Sydney right now... Oh my... Dude, the median house price in Sydney in July was $1.4 million. It's worse, like with the factory median. That's like $1.1 million USD or $1 million USD. Something like that, yeah. Brisbane house price is likely to double as tens of thousands flock to Queensland. Like, awesome. Gosh. Oh, oh, 80,000 increase price is just like Cali. Yeah, except it's the whole country. Like, it's just this market. California is the whole country to some people. Well, I mean, one fifth of Americans live in California, right? Exactly. It's a big old chungus part of America. And apparently, according to Gary, he says... It's basically just unaffordable, yeah. Pineapple and pizza is normal to Californians. So at least a fifth of the American population is just... Yeah. It would be normal to fucking Californians. That's exactly what I said. It's like that doesn't support the argument. It's more like one tenth... Oh, no. I was mixing up. California is like one fifth of the US economy. It's probably more like one sixth or seventh of the population, I think. Gary's lying. I live here and it's still horrid. He's lying. He's trying to trick you. The lying is capitalized. I'm all. What do you think of Metroid Fusion? Would you play at this Halloween? Are you excited for Metroid Dread? I think I mean, I'm probably going to let Fringy tell me if I should pick up Metroid Dread. I'm not like I'm just... Because I'll be grabbing that. Yeah, you can be my little test pilot. As for... It looks really fun. I'm playing Machine for Pigs this year around with possibly playing the stupid dark pictures next installment with Metal. And then the following day being Halloween. If everything... We have to plan this out. Being the Aliens game with Rags and Fringy, because literally both games have it so wrong. Like, there's no online four player for the stupid shit game, but then there's only three player for the Aliens game. And all you ever hear from people because I've checked out a few reviews, they're like, I don't know why it doesn't have four player, but you know, fine. Three is bizarre. I don't know why three. Is it just because we conventionally used it through four or... That's more reason to do it than a reason not to. No, of course. I'm just saying, is that why we think that it should be four rather than three? Or is it more than that? But it's the typical, it is, you know, I guess it's in terms of it being typical. I mean, it's one more person that theoretically you could get to buy the game with a group of friends to play, you know? Because I'm assuming four player was often the cap because you'd split the screen into the four squares. That's probably where it started, right? Maybe. It's a decent number. It's not too many. Yeah, yeah. And it's not too few. You know, I think it settles nicely into being it's, you know, clearly it's some sort of deal. So, yeah, you know, I'm still figuring out what the hell's happening for Spooky Ween. But all the eFab assets are ready, so don't worry about that. You'll be seeing the return of the Halloween variant. That's the way I was looking for, I guess. It's like Luigi's Mansion 3 for Halloween. There you go. It's a spooky game. Uh, Chinese has characters represent single words and is said in high mono and low tone, meaning Qingchong Bingbong is only racist in the high tone. Oh, OK. He tracks the grenade button. Oh, yeah, right. Shot grenades like an idiot before, right? No. So, F is bizarre. No, that was a Rax fault. That was a Rax fault. Yeah, if you have F set to your shoot grenade button, not like flashlight or use, that is bizarre. Yeah, if my automatic right now holding a gun and it has a grenade launcher on it, I'd expect middle mouse button, to be honest with you. That's like where my automatic assumes it's going to be. Yeah, so I was like, oh, flashlight. F. Yeah. No, that's your fucking grenade launcher button. Like, oh, it's not like middle mouse button maybe or you have to swap to it manually. Or like all the battlefields, you have to swap to your underslung grenade part. And then you would shoot that as your gun. It would take the place of your gun. You could shoot reload and all that sort of thing. You know how in that game, they argue that Hicks is still alive and well because a guy who looks just like him with the same injuries enters his pod while he exits it. And then he gets to, you know, remember all that? No. Fringes, you know what I'm talking about? Why, sorry, I'm blank. I didn't catch the last part. So the guy, I think it was called movies with Mikey or something, right? The guy who wrote Aliens Clonoreans. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He wrote it so that Hicks didn't die. Yes. We thought he did. That's right. I remember. Because some guy got into his pod. And so that's the guy who actually died in Alien 3, one of the most hilarious retcons ever. Yeah, I can sympathize with it. Yes, it's just hilarious. And also the game was terrible. So like it's it's what it's like dark fate. They're like, don't worry, Genesis isn't canon. And you're like, shut up. As if that means anything. Yeah. But like, I remember the other day that I told as a gary about it, because I never heard of it. They're just seeing their faces when I told them that you see someone who looked just like Hicks got into Hicks's pod. This is like he wasn't really. Yeah, we're going to just desperation to try and fix that horseshit from Aliens 3. Or it's like, yeah, all that shit. Yeah, it's just, yeah. Alien cubed as some of the boxing would have you believe. We have cubed the aliens. We should watch that sometime just to see what you think when ignoring the fact that it just randomly kills two characters that everyone liked. Why, though? It's one of those like it's like the the arrow thing in Shang Chi. Like, just why? I suppose like there's probably some reason on record from the director, such writers, probably something out there of them saying why it causes a really harsh journey for Sigourney Weaver's Ripley. I don't know. I blame the French. Charles Danes is in that movie. That is a reason enough to see it again. Remember, Mola, the Mongols weren't successful since they eventually died. God, that conversation was so frustrating. Yeah, it's all bit. It was weird, but you know what? It was fun. And it's fun jumping on those those streams every once in a while. That's how I met Shion Head. So, yeah, you know, you never know what's going to happen with stuff like that. If you had to if you had to write Wakanda and make it good, how would you do so? It's not a place. It's a people. So it is a question of how much are we maintaining? Because if you guys came to me after a fucking after civil war, I guess, and we're like, all right, we're making it and they're going to be a secret society that's been on it since the beginning, but is more advanced than all of them. I'd be like, oh, man, you guys really want to do that. And you're like, yes. OK. Are you sure? Are you really sure? It's like, yes, we're super sure. I'm not even sure because. We have to make it so that they were hyper, like maybe we knock out the hyper advanced stuff and the vibranium is just a really strong metal that's malleable, but it doesn't lead them to having like technological wonders to the point where they're just super advanced from the get go because just the best in everything. I don't even like the idea that they don't share it with the world at all when it's like an incredible metal that could have helped us all like with everything. Yeah, thanks, guys. Actually horseshit. I hate the Wakandans. They're such pieces of shit. Yeah, I fucking hate Wakandans. And plus, yeah, just the fact that you have access to a super metal doesn't that doesn't explain how you got super advanced. They think they're considering. I don't know how you made anything out of it. How do you? How do you? How do you buy? How do you vibrate? Do you make stronger? How do you mine it? Melt it, shape it? Exactly. If it's indestructible, basically, how do you fucking do anything with it? Is it that they find a bit that's fallen off and then they use that to chip away at more and then they hit it with each other to create sharp edges until they can. Chad, you'd know this, right? For vibranium, it's a different story. Like, there has to be some type of process that lets you work with it. Otherwise, how did they make Captain America's shield? And so, you know, it doesn't have a melting temperature, but you're right. It doesn't explain how they can, how it would have given them such advanced technology just by having access to this material. Because in tribal warfare, like, what really is going to be the difference between bronze and vibranium, really? Like, what's the difference really going to do for you to that? Is it going to be that degree? I don't know. I don't really mean it. Well, bronze is its own different kind of, because like, bronze will, you know, bend and be penetrated by more superior metal. So if you had vibranium weapons, you would be out of bus through bronze press planes. You dominate in fights. But like, aren't they? They wouldn't even, they wouldn't even like wear that stuff. Like the breastplate and things. Well, just to clarify, is it said the vibranium doesn't go dull as well? Is it like it stays sharp forever? That seems like it. Because remember when Killmonger got the vibranium hammer and all they did was like shake off the surface. Yeah, yeah. And it was perfect. That implies that it can last forever and never deteriorate. That's what I was about to say. Like, you remember it weighs like nothing, right? So it's just like they could create like the perfect medieval weaponry to the point where they can just dominate the whole world, probably. Well, impenetrable armor. If they can. Sort, but you need the numbers. Give you an edge, the ability to actually do stuff with it. But I mean, the thing is, medieval armor, when it's properly made, you know, when he treated tempered, hardened steel, you can't chop through that with a sword. Yeah, but they didn't make like, I don't remember them making like suits of armor. Like they just basically walk around with cloaks and sandals. Are you talking about the Wakundans? I thought if you. Yeah, the whole society. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think we're talking about clothing that's made of vibranium. Yeah, yeah. Is it? Yes, unfortunately. Yes, we're supposed to assume that clothing is made out of vibranium. They I'm pretty sure they are doing that fucking dumb ass movie that like vibranium is just throughout their entire society. It's just everywhere because they can they can like process it down to like being threads of clothing and stuff. Yeah, holy crap. But it's one of the most incredible materials to ever grace the planet and they kept it all to themselves. Say what you will about like different countries pilfering everything they want from countries or whatever. But it's just like, well, thanks for all the advancements we don't have now because we didn't get to use all of your incredible technology. Remember, they've created amazing things with the science department and then they fucking put their nose up at the entire world. Like, wow, look at you guys making all these mistakes. Legit, right? If they discovered the cure for cancer and they kept it to themselves, those astronomical a-holes. Wow. Well, that's the problem, isn't it? We don't know what we've missed out on technologically because of the fact they've kept us from being able to have the world sciences go out. I'm sure he's like, lol, I'm smaller than Tony Stark and Bruce Banner put together. And I'm starting to wonder if that's a matter of is it because you guys have like, I don't know, the vibranium somehow fed into your textbooks and made you all smarter as well. Because that seems to be the only answer, like vibranium can make super humans. And so the answer of how it led to technological advancement, it made them smarter because there was trace elements in their water that they drank and the vibranium just makes them better. Well, yeah, the plants grow as a result of the meteorite. So they've got lead poisoning. Yeah, but it's good lead poisoning. Makes you smart. It's good. Mad. Well, remember this, that movie is so stupid. When they take away the flower power from the people who have no longer king when it's like, that doesn't benefit anybody. Just let him keep it. It prevents him from having heart attacks and stuff. It's really good. Why would you take that? No, let's have one, let's have one. We only need one. We only need one. We don't need lots. We got spears. I want my personal guards to have the goddamn flower power, okay? It's a rule I would be instituting straight away. Yeah. Just fucking everyone gets it. Yeah, you know what? Entire society. Let's do it. Yeah, let's shake this shit up. Everyone gets it. I still have. Because even if the criminal gets it, your cops will have the two. It's so stupid. There's no logic to that other than like, I remember people being angry at me. It's like, it's the tradition. I was like, I don't understand how this tradition has survived every single king over the entire course of the entire timeline. How they just refused to let anyone else have it. I don't want to talk more about Black Panther. That movie was smelly and stupid. It was so sad, too. I was really excited to see it. I was like, this is going to be great. Black Panther's got his own movie. He's going to be badass. He was really cool and Civil War. He really was super cool in Civil War, and he's so shit in his own movie. He was awesome. He's lame in his own movie. He had an arc. Yeah, he did. Remember arcs? Those were really cool. They were arcs. They were just trajectories downwards. Stern Halmer is the original name of Chinese checkers, which was invented in Germany. Halmer is a four player game similar to checkers, and Stern means star in German. All right. OK, interesting. Oh, there's a nice little Shiba Inu sticker. Someone sent. Yay, thank you. Beautiful. I'm disappointed in you, chaps. No review of Space Jam 2, and you could have done it with Paige Spiranic. She has things to say about it. Look her up. I mean, no reason why we can't do it one day. I think that's got potential for a double feature. Gonna be up to. Oh, boy. I mean, you know, it's going to be interesting to watch, because I'm pretty sure the first one's not perfect either. But the second one, I just, I heard so many bad things. My goodness. Yeah. Froggy thoughts on connecting the water in North Australia to the water in South Australia is flooding the feck all deserts in the middle to make Australia great. Oh, that was, I remember there was a video or something about that, the idea of if you tried to introduce some sort of natural water system into the center of Australia that would completely transform the ecosystem and give us a lot more land that would be useful in the middle of the country. But that sounds like an incredibly expensive project in a country that already has an abundance of space that's usable. Like, even though the vast majority of this country, well, yeah, even though a lot of this country is kind of like, well, the problem is it's like, well, it has a lot of value because there's a lot of mining that you can get. Oh, they're a mineral rich land so much all over in that desert. And that's the thing that's like, well, it is useful in that regard. It's like, well, don't you want people living in the center of Australia? Well, there is a lot of space in the state. Well, so yeah, that's kind of my point is we have plenty of space that's usable, which we don't use already. Our cities are already much bigger than they probably ought to be. In terms of like metro area, it's disproportionate compared to like other places for population to the space usually quite inefficient as it is. And yet there's a clean space. Oh yeah, a lot of our stuff is spaced out even in the metro areas. It's kind of too spaced out if I'm being honest. We need to do a better job of actually having things more integrated and in city areas, having things more tightly connected, less reliant on massive highways to get everywhere they need to go. So yeah, it seems like a strange thing. Well, just on that note for you, like when I went to Perth, do you have you been to Perth? I don't even know where you live, do you live? I have been to Perth, yeah. It's even more spaced out. Like it's ultra-spaced. There's so much space between the edge of the road to, you know, like you're on a highway and then you have a side of grass before you hit the big fence line that separates the highway from the buildings and neighborhoods. There's like that space between the edge of the highway to that wall line is three to four times longer in Perth than it is. It's just spaced out everywhere. Even the roads are open. Wow, I mean, makes sense, right? Nobody, nobody lives there. Well, it's literally, it's desolate with nothingness. When I was flying into Perth, you just, I'm seeing nothingness for ages and ages and ages and then finally, there's the city. Well, I mean, that's the meme, is that Perth is the most remote city with a population over one million, I think, like in the world. Yeah, under that ratio, it's the most remote on earth. Yeah, for you to just make a channel on one end to the other and let the ocean in. Dude, do you know how big this country is? Do you know how much money it would cost to build a giant river that connects from like the north to the south of the east to the west? What's all the thousands of kilometers? Do it. That is, that's a lot of money for what is not a lot of utility at all. You know, it'd be really cool. I know that it would change the world forever anyway for all the other applications, but you know if portal technology was like a thing and then somewhere is flooding horribly in the world and then they just like open up a big portal in the main place and just drop it, not even into space, into just like a big deserty area of earth. And then it goes from being like this horrible disaster to being like, oh my God, we've got a chance to create like a whole new, it's gonna be great. Well, you could literally join, you would remove the, I mean, think about in terms of you could put a portal someplace where you want the water level to be and then a portal somewhere else where you want the water level to be and the two of them will, you could literally equalize two bodies by moving the portals where you want. Like it's- It's cool to think about, but then again, it's like, man, if we had portal technology, everything would be different. Like it just affects everything. Everything would be different. Yeah. I mean, I was actually thinking about the other day, just like on my travel back to Australia from Canada, I was like, wouldn't it be awesome? You could just open a portal and it opens up and I could see my home and I could just step through one step and I'm home. I was like, oh, gosh, wouldn't that be- Tell me, man, it's a good thing those planes are so fast or else nobody would use them. That's true, but still my flight, 30 hours. I had a layover in Qatar and so the first leg of my flight was like 12 hours, but then the layover was three hours in the Qatar International Airport and the last leg was about 15 hours to get back to Australia. Well, I remember my first trip to the UK, I did four flights. The second one was much quicker because it was just two back, but that first one, I think it was 36 hours and I did not sleep. One of those flights was overnight and because I'm told they sat me at the emergency exit because it gives you a little more leg room. Unfortunately, there was this massive fucking person in the seat next to me and he just did not give a fuck. He did not give a fuck about how uncomfortable I was. He didn't give a shit and his fucking wife or girlfriend. Hey, can you ask if you can sit in the fucking emergency seats that are for the air hostess? What kind of stupid fucking suggestion is that? That's their seat. I'm not allowed to sit in those ones and it's funny though, like, you know what? I'm gonna go check and see if there's another seat for you and then it's like, oh, sorry, the plane's totally full. All right, awesome. I guess I'm just gonna stay awake for another eight hours. That's cool, oh man. Fringy, look how much I'm fucking dominating. Yeah, it was, it was... You don't quite... I was just farming his car and he actually got caught on another one. I'm doing the world record right now. Man, Fringy, I feel so sorry for you about that flight. Like, I got to spoil myself because we were in a lucky circumstance where we had put aside enough money to actually bring over one of the guys that worked for me to help out but then there was so much trouble getting permits that he wasn't able to make it but we had the money set aside. And so, no, I went business class, dude and business class on Qatar Airways. Oh, freaking, oh my goodness, it is so good. They're like, Qatar Airways is one of the fiercest airlines in the world and business class with them. Oh boy, I can recommend, my goodness, it was nice. That doesn't surprise me at all. Because I flew Emirates for a good portion of the way and they had some real nice food. And it was, it was all like ups, you know, it was like fancier as well compared to like Qwansis. Hey, friend, you see how I'm in Singapore? Oh, that's Ralph. Look at him. He's got a big bucket of paste. Is that what you guys call glue? Look at him there. Well, he's American. I call it glue. Like, like, like what kind of paste? It probably glues. It's glue. It is glue. Okay. Is glue a paste or is paste is all past glue? You know? Well, no one calls glue paste here from my knowledge. So I was just curious as well. That would be weird. Glue is glue. I mean, I've seen it called paste in loads of American media. What, really? Yeah. I haven't noticed, I guess. Um, I don't know. Like, I assume it's like the kid-friendly glue. I don't know if that's the difference. Oh, oh, we call that clag. I've never heard of that, but all right. All right, so which one is it? Billy Madison and the scene where he like, you know, is really hungry because he wasn't given his, I don't know, some tasty cup by the nurse. Not his nurse is whatever, the lady at his home. And so he opens up the kid glue and he starts eating it. He tries to hit, do you want some to the other kid? That type of glue? Because we call that clag, like all just glue. Glue or clag is the name we call that. All right. You guys know that scene in, you know the scene in Billy Madison, don't you? Without him, Santa? I haven't seen that in way too long. It's been ages. I haven't seen that in a while. I remember Happy Gilmore with other Billy Madison. I think, I think Happy Gilmore was better than Billy Madison. Yeah, I'd say that as well. Yeah. I remember the guy who kept sabotaging him. You will not make this shot. You jackass. And he kept fucking off all of his hits. And then what was it like? Well, it was really funny. That guy just kept, I remember the end when he beat Shooter McGavin and like, then Shooter just used the jack and it gets chased by everybody. That tall guy beats the crap out of him. Shooter McGavin was a great villain. Such a jerk. He was able to play a very good A-hole. That is very true. Yeah. When he destroys his happy place, taking all the money, getting the money. I eat pieces of crap like you for breakfast. You eat pieces of crap for breakfast? No. A classic. That's a real... Would you find gents considering doing a Cinderella triple E-fap movies? The animated one, the 2015 one and the Amazon Prime one. Also, hi, Ryan. Oh, I don't want to watch. I really don't want to watch the Amazon Prime one. That's the thing. No. Yeah, bro. How is James Corden like famous? I think it was done for society. I think he may have sacrificed something to someone. Like, it doesn't really make any sense at this point. Yeah, I don't get it. Hang on. I miss what movie we're talking about. The Amazon Prime... Is it called Cinderella or is it called someone else? It's called Cinderella. Okay, well, that... Oh, that looked awful. It looked painful. It looks terrible. Yeah. I can honestly recommend the only Disney remake that's worth a damn. The Cinderella Disney remake recently was actually really... It's one of my favorite movies. It's brilliantly done. The 2015 one, so... Is that the 2015? It's got the guy out of Game of Thrones. Richard Madden. Yeah, it's Richard Madden, right? He's in that. Richard Madden. I think that's... The guy who is now going to be in Thanos, right? Yes, that's him. That's him. Yeah, Richard Madden. Like, seriously, I can recommend that. I mean, it's not an action film, but it's a lovely, charming, uplifting film. Yeah, it was Richard Madden. Okay. Yep. Well, now he's going to be playing Flying Superman, who was clearly inspired by Zack Snyder's Justice League. He shoots lasers out of his eyes and he flies. That's never been done before. Dude, that is this... Yeah, for people who don't know what the fuck Fring's referencing, this is weird thing on Twitter with Snyder bots, where they like... They will literally just take an image of anyone doing anything in a Snyder film and connect it to any other film, be like, you see Snyder's influence. They copied him. He did this first. And there's one where they literally have an image of him and the Eternals using his laser vision. And they're like, see? Zack Snyder did this. You're like, Zack Snyder did Superman with laser vision. Okay. They are fucking strange. Look at the shot, though. Look at the shot. It's like, what? It's just a normal looking shot. He's just shooting lasers out of his eyes. Snyder invents its humans. Yep. That's right. But yeah, maybe something at some point in some way. I no promise we're watching that film ever. The Amazon Prime one. I really don't want to watch it. It looks so awful. Like, how could you punish yourself to watch that thing? You know what? I wouldn't mind banning people. Does anybody like James Corden in chat? I don't get what it's there to like. I've never seen him in anything good. All I see is people hate him and he's just never funny. He's, I don't get it. He's always annoying. He was like the worst part of the, remember the Three Busketeers movie? He was just annoying. Yeah, I do remember that. Yeah. Like, I guess it's cause he's totally fine just being the butt of all jokes or something. Like he knows that he's a loser, but he's just happy to accept that he's a stardom. That's also what my husband does. No. Never liked it during the stad. Who is he? Didn't he, but he replaced, cause he, he, he replaced, oh my God. I can't believe that I'm blanking on his name, Scottish guys. No, he, I think John Stuart was replaced. No, John Stuart was replaced by Trevor Noah. Does he have his own late show though? Yes, I think he's from after David Letterman. Dude, I mixed them up. So there's, there is the Tonight Show, which is that guy, the one that is like really, what's his fucking name? He's not funny. Jimmy Fallon. Yeah, that's him. And then the one after that, which used to be Craig Ferguson. There it is. That's what James Corden replaced him. Oh, really? I don't, I don't It's really funny. He's awesome. Yeah. And I was gonna say, I know that like, you know, it's not, because Jimmy Fallon is proof that, you know, anyone could be a late night show host, I guess, but like, fuck James Corden, get that job. How? Well, yeah. Cause you're replacing probably one of, like we're thinking about the best late night people, Craig Ferguson is up there with Conan O'Brien. Easily. Easily. He was really good. And Conan O'Brien lost his show, right? Well, he, so what? Oh, that's a whole story. Yeah. Cause it was initially, cause there is the Tonight Show, then late night, then, oh, fuck. No, that's not the name of the show. I keep mixing them up. There's so many of them. Yeah. So what happened was Jay Leno, he stopped doing the Tonight Show and that got Conan O'Brien bumped up to the Tonight Show. But then Jay Leno had moved on to the Jay Leno show, which was a prime time show. And that didn't do so well. And so they're like, all right, Jay Leno, you can go back to the Tonight Show. And it's like, well, wait, I'm Conan O'Brien's on the Tonight Show. It's like, yeah, you can move back to your old one. So it's like, oh, awesome. So like Jay Leno show failed and now I get bumped back to the latest segment. That's when he left to do Conan with TBS. That was a whole adventure. Okay. So there's tonight, late and late, late. That's right. Yeah. Not at all confusing. And then isn't there the one that that huge Tuba is on? Superwoman or whatever her name is, Lilly Singh. She got like- That was canceled, wasn't it? Was it canceled? I didn't know that. I don't believe it was canceled recently because it sucked astronomically. Oh, I've seen the clips. It's really weird. It's just her talking about how awesome she is. Like, why would I want to watch that? It feels like a horrible, like, boshed idea of what a late night show is. It's just narcissism, man. Yeah. You got it. Wait, is it? Oh, yeah, that show did get canceled earlier this year. All right. Well, someone said she got a season two. Both of those things true? She did get a season two, but it got canceled after the second season. It aired 2019 and then through 2020, 2021 and then it got canceled. There was an art to the late night show format. I feel like, ah, it's probably a really tough gig as well because you've got to be performing four nights a week. Of course, you've got a team supporting you, but then there's a lot of stuff that is unscripted. Yeah, yeah. Your interviews, you kind of have to work hard to have the banter. I've watched a lot of clips recently, so I've just been looking at Norm MacDonald with Conan O'Brien's appearances, which is easily the best person to match the norm of chemistry as Conan gives another space. Bill Burr is really funny on Conan as well. Yeah. Conan just knows how to engage with him and knows when to let comedians sort of take over and do their own thing. I know Craig Ferguson had a natural charisma that really works well. He seems to be able to get along with everybody and make everybody feel comfortable on that show. Can't believe I actually knew David Letterman. David Letterman's funny. I think David Letterman's funny. I think he's not my favorite, but he's a funny guy. Do you know that I found this out the other day, but Norm MacDonald said in some kind of tweet, I guess, I can't remember if it was a tweet or reply or a statement, something. He said that Louis C.K. and Roseanne, I think he said those two should talk to each other about what happened to try and give each other advice and stuff in relation to like how all their lives are just completely, yeah. And then he got like a reply saying like, what the fuck, you know, who cares about them compared to the people that they victimized or whatever. And then Norm said something like, those people never went through what they did, which is losing their entire legacy in a moment, which is something that I think they could maybe help each other out with sort of thing, give each other advice and maybe, you know, just something that, because he's right to a degree that like, this is something that's unprecedented to lose everything that is you and the work you've done in an instant. Because you fucked up once, or you said something, yeah. Even, yeah, or even you didn't even do something bad at all, everyone just blew it up to insane proportions. To clarify, obviously there was a difference between, Roseanne put out bad tweets or whatever and Louis C.K. did the weird stuff. Undeniably straight stuff. He did a weird thing and so he became the worst person in the humanity. So this is, I got this from a video, so don't know if true, but as far as I know, it's true. He was in the green room for a Jimmy Fallon show and because of those tweets, he was then told that he can't come on. Jesus Christ. No McDonald, he was told it. And the thing is, I heard, there was two, I was listening to people talk about it and they were like, the producers never would have let him get to the green room if it was their decision and they reckon it was Jimmy Fallon's. And so Jimmy Fallon's got a lot of people who hate him now especially because that wasn't even that long ago and of course we can't get any more. Yeah. Rise. But yeah, I found out about it and I was like, damn dude, like. And Norm ended up putting an apology out on Twitter. He said that I didn't mean to say that, like I didn't mean to demean anything about the victims or their pain or whatever. I just wanted to point out that those two may be able to have like a good conversation about what to do next sort of thing and what it meant to lose their lives because of stuff like that. I'm just like, yeah. What he said is totally chill. I guess when you think about like light night shows there's kind of almost, even though you're doing comedy and a lot of comedy is pushing the boundaries there's a level of having to be kind of really diplomatic because you're meant to have basically any guest ever come on. So you probably have to play that game of like trying to figure out what you can or can't do or say. It's not really a job I'd ever want, I don't think. One of my favorite ones is when they had Bill Burr on Jibby Fallon and Bill Burr goes off on his, what was it, the money stealing whores or something like that and he goes on his like rant about that and Jibby Fallon is just sweating his balls up. Yeah, that's what I mean. I feel like you can't be that temperament on one of these shows, you know? Yeah. Like you, because you need to be comfortable with people saying things that are a little bit edgy because you're not fully in charge of the content. Oh, I was looking at a compilation one of the fucking funniest things to me was, and it's again because of how he delivers it but Norm was on Jimmy Fallon, he said, I mean like a comedian really knows that they're funny if they can make Jimmy Fallon laugh. And like Jimmy Fallon just started laughing immediately and it's just like, obviously the joke is just he fucking laughs at everything everyone says so there's just nothing. Yeah. That is to me, like I find it, exactly, I find it hilarious, it's just like, fuck Norm's smart guy. He's doing some magic over it all the time. Angry Super Chat 7, God, they're climbing. Ooh. One week, one week at uni and I'm already three E-faps behind. Curse you, long man. So sorry. I like and spare to play with you seven days, seven days to start like and spend. Late night was supposed to be edgy, handsome late at night. Well, yeah, I guess that's how it might've started but a lot of the late night. Exceptably edgy, like not edgy edgy but you know. No, network TV edgy, but I think part of it now is that a lot of like late night content is consumed on YouTube in the form of interviews and stuff like that so the place that it takes, the time that it takes place is almost irrelevant now to the content. I guess there's also the concern now of like a lack of variety in terms of late night content because it's like, well, who do they go right now? So you've got like Stephen Colbert and I feel like that's one of those ones where it's like, man, I wonder if like I rewatched the Colbert report and I'm just not super impressed anymore, like I didn't know about that. There was a time where I think he made me laugh but I just stopped at this point. It's not now. Yeah. Have you seen his interview with Bill Burr? It's super fucking awkward. I feel like Bill Burr is the barometer for when you've gone from being a normal person to like a plastic person because you can't deal with him if you're plastic-y. It can show you. Yeah, that was the issue is when you know, like something that you notice with Bill Burr is that every time he's going on it's like he's demoing material. He's trying to gauge audience response and then work with it. And it was totally cold when he went on when he went on with Stephen Colbert. Like Colbert wasn't really playing along. The audience wasn't into it and it's like, damn, that's really awkward. Or when he went on the fucking H3 podcast. Oh yeah. But he's a plastic person now. Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at. Wasn't it something like, he mentioned his daughters and then he was just like, do you love your daughters? He's just like, yes. He was like, what the fuck's wrong with you? What kind of fucking question is that? What kind of question? Yeah, he was just fumbling all over the place. And that's, yeah, cause H3 had no fucking clue how to deal with him. You gotta play along, you know? You gotta read the room and yeah. I just got back from taking a six hour fundamentals of engineering exam to end my engineering life. You were gonna say a dump. Six hour dump. I just got back from taking a dump and I'm like, damn. So you have a dump and I'm like, fuck me, dude, you okay? That's an epic dump right there. Oh, right. I love tuning in and listening to some racism. After six hours of engineering, I can't imagine a better way to calm right now. Yeah, man, we know what people come for. Yeah, you know, hopefully that went well. You're a six hour exam. That sounds just so much fun. Yeah, jeez. I do not miss exams. Not me, though. Ain't doing that ever again. The closest I will ever take is the end of year EFAP survey. That is my exam now. Bragg, stop asking questions. We're trying to world build the perfect Marvel universe with no holes. So stop it. I don't even remember what we were doing that. We've done it a couple of times, I think this stream though. It was very rude. When we were trying to summarize the films to rags, he was like, oh, this doesn't make sense, this doesn't make sense. Oh, I have questions. I have things that appear to not make sense. Yeah, what's your problem, dude? I was like, yeah, can you just fucking appreciate it? I just like it. Yeah, it was so lame. Wow, no people have triumphed to send? How dare you? I bet you have nothing of value to say. No, no, we didn't really. It took a while though. None of us watched the movie, why are you talking about it? You know what, that's why. We got to keep you guys up to date with you because you'll all be going to see Spooderman. So now you know the bits and bobs that may be necessary to appreciate Spooderman because I don't fucking know what's going to pop up in that movie. God, imagine the homework needed to actually, like if you're a, just know I haven't seen films and you're like, I want to watch everything to help me understand. I envy those people. Yeah, that's certainly this is. But if you were to watch No Way Home and you're like, all right, you need to see the MCU up to this point. You need to see the Sam Raimi Spiderman films. You need to see the Tazim films. And then if fucking Daredevil shows up, it's like you got two seasons, three seasons of TV and you need to see three seasons. Well, I had to defend this before. I heard that I'm Daredevil. I'm pretty sure that it's like, there's interviews where Charlie Cox gives like really kind of nervous answers. So I'm pretty sure at this point, it's a safe conclusion that he's going to be in it in some capacity. If we're confirming Kingpin, why the fuck wouldn't they be bringing him back? It's safe. Kingpin is pretty safe. He's been like heavily hinting that Vincent Dinoffero has been hinting heavily he's in Hawkeye. And, you know, I still think we should be more worried than happy about that. I'm concerned. Yeah, I'm nervous. You happy to see him? But yeah, there's a lot of... It was funny. You know, like there was like Andrew Garfield confirmed and then it was like, how? And it's like, there's this weird image where Andrew himself was like 50% opacity in an environment. It was like, okay. And everyone spread that around. Then people like pointing that out and he was like, and then some people were saying actually... Hang on, can I interrupt you? You said 50% what? Opacity. Opacity. Like... You know, it's like how trans-power... As in, as in, you mean opacity. I don't really have a... I don't really fight for a team on that one. I don't mind either. Pick a team. Choose a side. I still have. Yeah, be a man, pick a team. Connect to it. Shut up, Chas is 3D. Connect to your weird, hearted way of just pronouncing it or not. Opacity. Opacity. I don't care. Honestly, I haven't even thought about it. I'm so sorry. I wish I did have a team to help you out here. Oh, gosh. I'm also trying to destroy a limo. It feels bad. So good. Oh, I had one second left. Well, maybe two, but mostly one. Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah. So that photo went around. Everyone was like, and then they were like, no, fake for a while. And then they were like, actually no, it's just the reflection of blah, blah, blah, to make him look blah, blah, blah. And then he was like, no, definitely not in the movies or at least not to his knowledge. Wink, wink or not to blah, blah. And then the clip or another photo came out that was clear. And then it was like, no, still not. And that's from actually that, that image is from B-roll from like a Saturday Night Live. And it was like, oh, okay. And then the clip version of that came out. And like definite now. And then some YouTuber released a video saying how I trolled the internet and explained how they totally crafted that clip through like whatever tech. And then like, those people were like, of course he's claiming he fucking did that for the attention. It's a real one though. And I'm just sitting here like, fuck's sake, it keeps bouncing back and forth. I'm just gonna wait until the movie comes out. I think it is an absolutely safe bet that we're getting the three Spudermans though. I think that's totally safe. Yeah, that one seems pretty solid. How do you feel about that? Do you reckon, do you feel it's a gimmick exploit to just lure people in or it's gonna be a fun bit of fan service that they're doing to actually be genuine to the fans to, you know, give them a win? Difference between those two is going to depend on what the writer does. Obviously that's like categorically, but I have some faith that John Watts would be like, because the thing about it, if you guys were bringing those two in their interactions with Tom Holland's Spider-Man, it's gonna be like, we gotta make that substantive, we can't just have them turn up and go, hey, some Splish Splash Punch Punch, okay, bye. So you're probably gonna want to be the Toby and Andrew in part, some kind of lesson or experience that we can gather from what they would have gotten from their respective movies to Tom. So? What do you mean, do you mean so is in like? Hope so, hope they do that. Oh, hope so, okay. Yeah, I, so I think that can work and if they do that, if they, I'm trying to argue myself into a position where I say, yes, it was totally meaningful that we had all of these cameos from all these different properties that everyone loves. You know, it's hard to make me get to that point because you've got only one movie to be able to do all of that. Like Dark Arc and Green Goblin showing up and doing lines that we've heard them say, that's what I actually worry about is that we literally hear them turn up and do their memes. Like that's gonna be so bad if that's all it is. Like, That's like, that's my worry that they're just doing it as a cheap kind of, you know, attention grab thing. And then it'll be real surface level, vapid, meaningless stuff. I think that's a fair concern considering the state of the MCU, right? I think one of the biggest problems with Pokemon is that it's better to solo with the starter than to catch and train a team. It's really imbalanced. I mean, Pokemon kind of cuts you off from being able to do that at least to a degree with the whole like the caves requiring flash. And so you need a Pokemon that can have flash, you know, that sort of stuff where it's like you can't just bulldoze with one Pokemon typically. And I think that the game benefits from players mostly wanting to have more than one Pokemon. Like, you're like, I want to catch some of these cute little fellas. But as for how well Pokemon's balanced, I don't really have anything good to say about that. I don't want to be too harsh because I haven't studied Pokemon that in depth. It's just never come across to me as a particularly layered or in-depth game. And perhaps that is by design because a rock, paper, scissors format, just a little bit more complex than that is just what younger audiences are looking for, you know? Fuck Mary kills, Scarlet Witch magic, Shang-Chi magic, Doctor Strange magic. So I like Doctor Strange magic the most out of the three. I like Scarlet Witches when it was mainly just telekinesis. But like at this point. I understand it, not always this cool. That's neat. I love the little like the runic sort of symbols around Doctor Strange's little panels that he creates to defend himself. And though Doctor Strange is pretty hard to understand in terms of his limitations as well. Remember when like he put up a panel to defend himself from Drax throwing his knives and they like stab through them? And it's like, I wonder how strong those things actually are then, you know? Yeah. They were able to keep it surprisingly grounded in the first movie based on he had a very strict amount of spells that he always resorted to and we were able to get an idea of their strengths and what their capacity was based on how they were depicted. And they stayed fairly closely within the spells as they were presented. But the danger now is that, oh gosh, he's been doing some wacky stuff. Like, oh yeah, make a spell to make everyone in the world forget who you are. I can do that. Oh, now we're in the realms of magic doing anything we want and that is not a good sign. Yeah, cause I was gonna say, I think I agree with you. Cause like the portals are very clear, even though I would say that no character ever really uses them to their best because those things are OP. Agreed. You have, you remember the first film where he like tries to make a whip? He's like kind of bad at it first. And he ends up using that on Squidward in the fight. That's a part of Infinity War, I'm not a fan of, by the way. I don't understand why Doc Strange pulls the telekinetic man into him. You remember that? Yeah, I do. I don't know why I did that. And this is the thing, I wanna be impressed by Doc Strange as I was with him versus Thanos. I thought that fight was awesome. I don't wanna be thinking like, why would you do that when, you know? Anyway, yeah, you got that. The portals, the panels he makes to, people jump around and stuff, but you're right. Now that he can fuck with the universe, you're kind of just like, wait, what can't he do? And the fact that he's like, we know frighteningly little about all of this. Like, so why are you fucking with it? No, you know nothing about it though. Yeah. You know nothing, multiverse never existed. Hey, man. Till the flint got it wrong. I don't know why you would pick Loki as candid over the others. Well, yeah. It's an awaking non-canon. What they would say is that Till the Swinton was referring to the multiverse of multidimensions, not multiverse of multi-times in parallel realities. And so they would say that the dark dimension still existed and that's the multiverse she was referring to, like the multiple different dimensions. Yeah. That's what I think. I was gonna say, you can't fix it because of the wording and I'm pretty sure she says the multiverse exists. I think she does say multiverse. She says multiverse, yeah. But the people, defenders will interpret that as meaning. She's specifically referring to the multidimensions, and because you can say dimension and universe interchangeably a lot. And so that's what people will say. Loki's still fucked over the note. Oh yeah. And like, I just feel bad for the writers coming in after it. Or maybe they're okay coming in after it because it unleashed everything at the end of it. Yes. Or did it because of the ending? We don't really... Yeah, it don't know what's going on really. So yeah, Kill... Oh, Kill Skull at Witch magic right now. We have to, because that's the worst one out of the three. I'm gonna marry Doctor Strange, but this answer would probably change as soon as I see No Way Home. And then... I think I'll line up on that. And then fuck Shang-Chi, I guess, because the rings... That's the one we didn't get to talk about, that I guess we can now. Tencock rings? Stupid rings plus his stupid dragon scale armor, blah, blah, blah, like, it's not really clear exactly what couldn't beat him. He destroyed like a universe ending dragon thing. And I'm just like, so... We got another person now on the team who was just top tier. Because what, what... I guess it's just someone said we wanted to fight him or Captain Marvel. I'd be like, I guess Captain Marvel, but... Captain Marvel would win. Like these rings, I don't know what the limits of them are. What if he shoved all of them down his throat? Interesting thing, I'm not impressed by the rings. I think they're pretty dumb the way that they're shown. And I'm annoyed because there are two sides to them. There's the OP, they can kind of do anything but just because the plot says, which I hate because it's inconsistent and they're just magical, whatever, bullcrap devices. And then the other side, they have this interesting limitation which is at the same time pretty lame and weak. And if they were actually restricted to the fact that they can only shoot off and return and he can only deflect things with the rings and stuff, his power level would be really pathetic. But they can't decide what they want to do or go for it. And so it's just a convoluted mess right now. Maybe if, if ever you have in trouble with a villain, you drag them to the impenetrable forest like you trick them into going in there and it just eats them, you know? Yeah. Pretty powerful little area, make use of it. Unless they can fly or have like a hatchet maybe. Right, magical forest. I'm sure it's immune to such things. I'm not sure of that. I'm not sure what to be sure of anymore. I don't know what anything means. You'd think that based on cause and effect is, you know, would dictate certain things. I just don't know. So unpredictable. Yeah, they'd be like, the only thing you can be sure of is uncertainty. And you're like, that's, okay. That sounds like shit. I'm glad you're proud of that, I guess. Since I'm going to be focusing on school now, I won't be able to catch EFAPs and Super Chat as often. So here's my parting Uncle Rucker's quote. It's long. You got to, how do I say this? They've done it in the font where they can get away with saying stuff. You probably, but you just, what does YouTube think though? Oh, I know which words I definitely can't say. You got to rotate your racial slurs. Now I know it's hard because the word just rolls off the tongue. We cannot let that be the crutch, especially when there are so many other fine substitutes, like spade. I mean, that should be fine because I can use that, you know, normally. But then there's two that I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed to use. I say next time you're going to call something or something, you call that something, something. I think I could say jungle bunny. That's probably allowed for now. You never know with this sort of stuff. Jungle bunny. I hope you find a way to read that. See y'all by rags. Bye. That's the best I could do. Fun fact, Kathy's apt. Kathy's apt in Black Widow is Trump Tower Chicago. Oh, Kathy's apartment. But who's Kathy? Is that in the the is that a character in the Chiang Chi movie? I say Chiang Chi. I mean, Katie. Oh, well, he said BW as in Black Widow. But I'm assuming they may have meant to say Chiang Chi then. And he may have meant to say Katie. I have no idea then. If that's what you meant, then interesting. Also, by the way, Squirtle is objectively the best starter for efficiency. Also, also, hello, Rags. Hi. Hi. Not true. It's Bulbasaur. I really like Squirtle. I like him a lot. I think Charmander is my favorite in terms of looks and all that. But I think Bulbasaur is objectively the best. I still like Squirtle. He is a squirtle. But I don't see. I have no idea which one is the best in terms of are we talking about like which one can carry the best through the whole game or here? Let me spend a long time since it came up. Let's see here. All right, guys, in chat, don't get confused with which one you like the most. Like which one is actually the one that will get you through the most stuff? Because there's obviously an answer to this. I just don't know what it is. I'm curious. Okay. So Bulbasaur, let's see. He evolves quickest. Let's see. So even the same levels will get to his evolution's better. They are at 16. So Bulbasaur, they, 32. Yeah, he gets to Venusaur at 32, whereas you get Charizard and Wastois at 36. Evolving early in X and Y, it will already have access to mega evolution thanks to the fact that Venusaur will have evolved right before the Shalur city gym, but that's other stuff. I don't have a play X and Y. Best moves, Charizard doesn't get access to good fire type moves until you're about level 40. Let's see. When it comes to, unless you have TMs to make up for it. Going through, scrolling through here. I used to know it by heart, but that was ages ago. It has, let's see, let me scroll through here because I'm scrolling through stat paged. Do, do, do, do, do. It synergizes better with more Pokemon teams. Let me see. Best options with right type access moves aren't ground or poison type, thanks for the praise. Better against more gym leaders. There, I, let's take it. There's a, I think Squirtle's best for speed runners for whatever reason. I think it's cause he can get through Brock's gym faster cause he's water type. Cause that can be off of the thing. Let's see, yeah. For speed runners, apparently Bulbasaur is the weakest. It might be. It might be, I know that when you're speed running your strategy is just totally different. But as far as gen one goes, it just has better stats. But I, maybe the, and then again, this is many generations. So it takes care of, so who knows if they've, it's been updated or rebalanced or whatnot. But yeah, the back, this is definitely back in my day. I was also going to say like, maybe he does get to Venus, the final evolution faster than the others, but I'm assuming the others have stats that they do sit in things better than Venus or does. I'd be curious if their full potential is the power output from Charizard just better than the other twos or. Yeah, but generally the, the, the general thing I see is easy Bulbasaur is easy mode, Squirtle is medium and Charmander is hard. Part of the reason is again, it's that first couple gyms, right? Like if you pick Charmander, you're gonna have a fire type and you're gonna have to be fighting back to back rock types, which fire doesn't do anything against and water types, which is doubly worse. So your first two gyms are gonna be tough and you have a lot less options for your first gyms in terms of trying to beat them. You have less Pokemon that you could catch. You have less options in terms of items and equipment that you can use. So getting a type advantage in the early gyms is far more important. Later on, when you have far more access to getting to Pokemon and catching them and more options to better grind, it's not gonna be nearly as much of an issue. I see. The thing is that the super chest specified efficiency was kind of complicated exactly what that means. No, I'm not sure what that means, really. Yeah, but in terms of- If it were to complete the game the fastest as efficiency then, or if it were something else, I don't know. Longman, I was joking. She's more of a sports reviewer. I just wanna see a reactive boobs again like you did on the Suicide Squad review. Hi, Rags. Hello. You wanna see me react to boobs again? I mean- I react to boobs positively, generally. Molar, is it possible for someone to criticize a film without seeing it themselves? Do you have to see a film to be able to say if it's good or bad? I mean, so the thing about this is like, it can possibly be binary, right? Cause it's just all over the place. If you watch everything except the last five minutes of a film, like the room, can you, like, is it, if you say that the film is bad, are you full of shit? Or is it that you have to say it's mostly bad because you haven't seen the whole thing? You know, like it's, and this is the thing. You know, if someone watches my review of, I don't know, the breakdown of TFA I do once all six parts are out, which will happen, by the way. I go through the whole film, like, in detail. And if someone watches all of that, but hasn't seen TFA and concludes what they believe to be about the movie, like irrelevant whatever I said, not necessarily what I say, feel like it's probably gonna, they might know the film better than someone who's seen it at that point, you know? So like it's really complicated because it's sad, like intuitively you'd be like, of course you can't say a film is bad if you haven't seen it. But like, I mean, kinda you could, right? There's a lot of scenarios where you'd be able to. Yeah, can you say about women's bad if you haven't watched about women uses what they all take? Does it count as having watched the film if you see all of it, but in portions of a review over a really long time? You know, if you like watch 30 second clips and then commentary on them and you watched the entire movie that way, does it count? I'd say it counts. I would say that it counts first. I think the filmmakers would probably be like, that is not how you're supposed to consume the film, but at the same time, you've got all the information. Yeah. Oh. That's correct, it's correct, you know? But yeah, I would just be like, there's so many scenarios we could be talking about here. And say for example, someone only ever saw a review of like The Last of Us 2 saying, the storyline's dumb because this happens, this happens, this happens in like a 10 minute review. And then they start saying the game is definitely bad. Trust me, I know. It'd be like, you don't really know much about it, but you know. Complicate. I guess it's context. And of course, all that matters is whether you're making good or bad points or you're making apt observations or shitty ones. Theoretically, let's say, let's pretend for a second, Rags knew nothing about Shang-Chi as he did a mere nine hours ago. I still don't even know. Maybe I still don't know anything about Shang-Chi. After all that I heard, that just weird sludgy mixture of, what the hell, who knows? But like, let's say we put him into a room to debate Shang-Chi's quality and then I was listening and just feeding him lines. It'd be really funny, because Rags would probably come across as though he has seen the whole movie. No, I definitely could. Yeah, I could come across that way. So, yeah, I don't know. It's just so many scenarios where someone should be like, Rags, you haven't even seen it. Like, does it matter? All the points I made were valid. Yeah, it's one of those things. It literally doesn't matter if I've seen it or not. Seeing something pretty much just enables me to have all my information and my references in theory. So, yeah, I could totally be, yeah. That's the reverse scenario, right? Someone watches it and then you go, okay, so let's talk about the bus scene and they're like, bus scene. What? You know, like the bus scene where they have a big fight and they're like, I don't, oh, I, is that? They can't say, oh yeah, well, you haven't even seen it. Yeah, well, if they were like, well, I've seen the movie, I don't remember a bus scene. You'd be like, okay, what am I supposed to do with this? Like, is this a big, does it, okay. You know, some people might forget a bit. Some people, this is a good old-fashioned phenomenon where you watch a thing or experience a thing and you remember it differently from what it was because of how it made you feel rather than what it was or whatever. And so, yeah, getting them references straight. Honestly, it's more important than whether or not you've seen it, which is kind of funny, right? Cause it sounds, again, it sounds so bad on paper, but like, I mean, true. I just voted for communists. I hate them, but I hate current regime even more. Life is pain, so better to empty that vodka bottle. EFAP helps too. Oh, all right, we'll be around if you, yeah. Well, to try act vid as long as you don't mind the ads. Quality is decent for Cam. I don't know, I think that's, I'm not sure what I was referring to exactly. I have no idea, that's very strange. I don't know these weird new millennial words that they come up with on the internet. Yeah, I don't, I don't get it. Just speak like a normal human being. All right, it's not gonna kill you. It really won't. I know some of y'all don't wanna take the chance, but I promise it's gonna be all right. I don't think I can envision that last battle scene in Shang-Chi you guys described too much crazies. Like, yeah, I could understand. Well, I'm envisioning something. I'm curious how it matches up to the real thing, but not that curious. Well, like, give it like two years rags and you will likely see that film as we are well into the MCU arc. Well, I'll try and remember what my mental image was before, you know. That'll be one of those ones where it's like, should we do it by phase so that we can, you know, have them actually, or just like do record them all, edit them all up and then be like, coming this Christmas, you know, this fucking every single Marvel movie. Why does Marvel's Katie have the same back end as station from Bill and Ted? Hi rags. Hi, hello. Now, when do you say back end? They must be referring to like, like software and stuff off the back end. I didn't get a good look at it programming, but yeah. Shad, I read your book. It was good. Can't wait for the next part. Also, Shoe on Eve. Well, I'll stop there actually. Yeah, there you go, right? It was Shad. Awesome to hear. Thanks. Glad you liked it. Sweet. Also, Shoe on EFAP when? Who knows? Might source them out at some point here and there. You never know what all these creators do in their own thing. If we can just get her on to debate TLJ. Does she like TLJ? Oh, I doubt it. I don't think she could. She's one of those people that's like, oh, what do you think of this movie? And she's like, I haven't seen it. It's like, this movie, I haven't seen it. This movie, I haven't seen it. This movie, yeah. I think I remember that one. You're like, yeah. Right. What a movie. She hasn't, I don't think she's seen. Fuck, I can't remember. Shad, you have to help me out. If you remember the stream, we asked her if she liked like seven movies in a row and she hadn't seen them and they were all like super fucking popular. I think she's just got Bord of Lord of the Rings. Oh, poor man. I don't remember that. That is a seven-word known take for real hyponormies, you know? Normies? Seemingly for some reason. It's not enough explosions per second. There's heaps of action, though. Like, I don't understand. There's plenty of action in Lord of the Rings. She hasn't seen The Matrix or Fight Club. Oh, fuck. Okay. Yeah, it does happen. That's true. Yeah, these people shouldn't be jailed yet. Like, there's time. Yeah, we'll give them a chance. We're jailed. Jailed. Peepy boo boo. She loved Joker. That's good to hear. I'm glad she did. She said Ray was the final form of Mary Sue. It's probably true. The final form. She's definitely up there. She's going to be able to knock her off that title. Like, well, she's sister. She's a pretty young editor. Someone might be able to match it better, but I don't think anyone's going to knock her off because Ray is the main star of the main trilogy of the hyper popular. You know, it's like. Yeah, she's so prominent as a character. So much work and effort and focus incredibly beloved characters were basically killed to make way for her. No one can explain her who she is as a person because none of the films could. They were all confused. Who is she? Who are you? The altar of character fuel. Three movies that I don't really fucking know anything about you other than you're extremely good at just fucking everything. Yeah, so good at everything. Yeah, you are just so awesome. Yeah, I just don't. Drink of your books are next on my reading list. I believe he would have appreciate that. Unfortunately, he dropped out four hours ago. Can handle it. That's all we're up to nine, by the way, which for me is the the place where we start to think about where we're going to stop. I am still willing to keep going. I don't know how you guys feel. I mean, I think to feel it super chat, right? Because I'm I'm getting pretty tired. But can we can get through the super chats for this one? Right? We can try. Right. Right. I feel like the Padme meme right now. You're right. Right. Again, we can try. No promises. Uh, hi, Rex. Hello. Buffy likes pineapple pizza reference to season two, episode 10. So Buffy is this is why Buffy's gets a flawed character. Yeah, it's better that they write forward characters than giving us all these perfect people, you know. Yeah, we were just talking about Ray a second ago. Ray loves not not eating pineapple on pizza, because of course she does. She's a fucking Mary Sue. Everything is correct for her. She can't get a single thing wrong. And you might be thinking, like, oh, so you guys wanted to like it. It's like, you know, it would have been nice to have a floor. What a nice one thing. Really, we asked too much. Shemai Mola, Shemai and this team of legends. I'll take any of the Netflix Marvel stuff over this crap. Would love hearing you discuss the Punisher oil. Oh, yeah, that's like Daredevil Punisher, Jessica. Oh, OK, I get it. All right. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan. I think when I run through it, it's like Daredevil. That's worthwhile. Jessica Jones, but parts of season one. And then you can discard it there. Luke, yeah, until maybe episode six. And then you can write it off after they kill Cottonmouth spoilers. But an iron fist is not particularly worthwhile in general. Iron fist was garbage of top tier order. It was horrible. I enjoyed Jessica Jones, a decent amount, especially kill Grave because David Tenet just killed it at Kill Grave. No pun intended. He was amazed up. Absolutely amazing. And I enjoyed, of course, Daredevil. You know, see, I enjoyed both seasons one and two. I also gave up halfway through Jessica Jones season two. I just lost interest. And I really did not like season two of Jessica Jones. That was painful. Well, I did not like Luke Cage. I couldn't get into that one either. Very slow and dull overall, to my opinion. What I tend to say about Luke Cage is I basically liked it up until they killed Cottonmouth. And then once they killed Cottonmouth, I was like, OK, all right. Like they replace him with a diamond back and he just is incredibly flat. Yeah, that's kind of threw me off. But yeah, I mean, compared to like the sludge now, it's like, oh, man, it makes iron fist not look so bad. Oh, gosh, that's depressing because iron fist was uniquely bad. That was like, oh, from the beginning. Oh, the thing is, if I rewatch it, I remember when I watched it, one of my takes on that was like, man, it feels like people are being kind of unfettered at this show when I feel like some of the other shows suffered from similar problems. I don't again, it's I haven't seen it in a long time. That's that's probably one. No, I don't want to rewatch it. Actually, I was going to say it might be worth rewatching. No, I'm not attached to defending that show, not not particularly. Guys, bamboo is used for scaffolding. I get it looks silly, but that's not a mistake. Like I said, I know nothing about scaffolding. I'm going to make it on skyscrapers that high. Yeah, give me a reference. I need to go for that. It's what I say. Rags said you said like, oh, we get through the super shots. I remember when this came up. This is only like two hours and we're going to be here for a while. We can do it. Do it. Who would in a fight the average Krogan from Mass Effect versus the average brute from Halo? You can give different answers for this weapon. I think it's Krogan. I feel like Krogan have got this one. Krogan have access to Mass Effect tech. And Krogan's are tanky as fuck, especially in the first game. Krogan battle masters were like mini bosses, essentially. They could take out a lot of punishment. And also when they go down, they'll get back up again. And the big thing is like if it were a hand to hand fight, there's no contest that they would win against the birds. If it was weapons, maybe that would change things up. But I still I think the massive weapon covenant weapons that the Brutes had access to. The Brutes shot is pretty good. But like the spikers and plasma stuff. I think that just the the handiness and the bullet like qualities of the Mass Effect weapons just help a lot. And Brutes don't have. Depends on numbers. Fact into it. But if I guess it also depends on whether we're factoring in numbers because of its numbers, it's like, well, there are a lot more Brutes than there are Krogens. A lot more. There aren't many Krogan left, really. So I mean, this was just specifically about one on one, right? Oh, oh, yeah. I feel like Krogan, Krogan, probably have this one. It said would there be different answers for hand to hand versus all like weaponry? I don't think there would be. I think hand to hand Krogan will absolutely dominate and weapons might be a modifier, but I'm not sure. I think when you add equipment, I think that the the stuff that you fight that Brutes have when you fight them is just going to be flat out outclassed by Mass Effect Armor. Mass Effect Armor is like it looks like it's real, right, proper armor that I could imagine being a real thing. But some Brutes, their armor is just clearly not that great. Like entire legs exposed, entire forearms open, often chests are just not even covered sometimes. There's nothing more than a leather bandolier over the chest. Some of them have can have better armor, of course. But I just think that Krogan's having on this one. Wait, well, if we're thinking like Brutes from Halo 3, you got. I guess the question is if they were going up against like it's a chieftain or something, hmm, a chieftain might actually put up a good fight specifically, they said the average Krogan versus the average Brutes. I think I'm going to go with average Krogan. I'll go with Krogan. Yeah, I go with Krogan, I think. Does Mola like Pink Floyd's The Wall? I've always liked a lot of the songs from it, but I never really had any appreciation beyond that, though a lot of my friends did. So when like Nostalgia Critic did his review, like I said, I was just like, so this is just as cringe as normal stuff. And then I saw a lot of people reviewing it that weren't explaining the problem. But some of the reviews that we watched of his video were worse than his video. They were really bad. They were just the standards that we cover in EFAP. Sometimes like Ralf was terrible. It was super critical. As of just a couple, I want to say possibly even one month ago, holding ideas, a person who isn't very much doesn't like me. So you can take this to be a very unbiased take. Made a fantastic video, not only destroying Nostalgia Critic's video, but also explaining very clearly what the wall's about and what value there is to sort of dig out of it from the different ways that it approaches the medium. Really appreciate the video. I thought it was fantastic. Um, and that's the kind of stuff I really like that YouTube does, where it's just like this, there's a specific kind of video I need to be able to sort of access a particular thing and like, you know, the right person doing it in the right way, manages to nail it. That also doesn't like you. I can't believe it. This is the thing. He hated me for the moment. I made the DS2 response series. It's been a while since then. So I'm sure he doesn't even know who I am anymore, but I'm pretty sure he's like that game. No, he liked HBomber Guy a lot. Oh, they're very good friends. Fucking get over it. When he heard me mention, say the O word, he was like, wow. You can't be objective. What? Can't say that we're actually in crap. Took me a while to realize. People always like took it really crazy that one of the opening points HBomber Guy starts making is I like fun, like basically the Dark Souls 2 made things more fun. And I like I'm immediately just like, so that's fucking useless to me. Like I can just say that everything in, you know, the paddling pool is more fun than anything you've ever done. I just love slapping that water. It's just more fun. I was like, we've got to do better than that. And I think I just try and stake the claim there. I was like, that's super subjective if we can get more into like actual stuff. And he does eventually start doing references, but they're really bad. His DS2 video is one of his fucking worst videos I've made. So it took a while to respond to it, as you guys may be aware, this is all getting really long series. And yeah, a lot of people did not appreciate it. But yeah, Donaldson's made a couple of videos I really like. He made a video on Flat Earth that's kind of amazing in terms of just like just trying to be definitive about it, just in his local area. He found a particular lake and he did a lot of work to to prove that like it's hard for me to explain because I'm just not fucking familiar enough with the correct nomenclature, but I would recommend that one too. The movie kind of contradicts itself by claiming the father is bad for putting his son through training, but also claiming he's sexist for not putting his daughter through that same training. Does it do the sexist part? Yeah, it basically says that yeah, the dad sexist because you know, the daughter and whatnot didn't think she was capable or worthy to be trained into a super assassin. I have to rewatch it. Do it as strong as Captain Marvel if she actually got the training. Oh, dude. Well, I can't imagine how hard she'd be if, you know. Unstoppable rags is indefatigable. An indefatigable barlam shell and I love him. That is a good reference. Yeah, indefatigable. No, movies are about family make eight hundred million dollars. This won't. Oh, of course, Mola doesn't understand the concept of fun. I like things a lot. I have plenty of fun with all kinds of things. I just don't think it's a great argument whenever you're trying to say why something's good that you simply had fun. It's funny, because I end up saying it about all the stuff that I enjoy, but hopefully fucking put arguments alongside it. Shumai Mola, my streaming week. Oh, why? Carmichael is pronounced. Huffani Clouyed, 18, Dravo the Punisher. If I like them, Haru and beer, Black Widow, 18, Ngorai Hual, like an Elrond here, sending a super chat. Is that Welsh? Is that Wailish? I don't know why we would punish it a Black Widow. I thought Wailish sounded like Wales and Wailish are completely different things. Rank off. I'm sure that's pretty offensive to somebody. Yeah. Sorry about that. This is really getting into fatigable. Yeah, I've not seen Punisher of those. I have not heard great things about Punisher. And then I don't mind having a kid. Yeah, I don't know. Like, they were saying, like, compare it to Black Widow. I just said, why? Like, that's a weird comparison, probably better, but probably. Yeah, I'm trying to think of the connection. It's not like spies, really, or anything. It's a very different approach. Yeah, I'm not sure why. I'm not sure why you pick those two, specifically. I'm getting really tired of the EFAP crew coming up with better stories than the writers. Stop it. So I do want to, you know, try and downplay that a little bit. Some of the stuff we were saying, super basic, like, oh, the veteran gets wounded and therefore the student must take the shot with his encouragement. Like, that is not complicated. That's been done in lots of stuff. It's very satisfying to watch. It's normal. It is not satisfying to watch him get killed slowly and have her fucking watch. That's just stupid. It's out of character for her, and it's really unsatisfying to see. I'm fucking Death Dealer bad. What the hell were you thinking? I could even have gone for the idea that Death Dealer survives the movie. He gets like an awesome fight scene, is defeated, and then leaves, you know, like run, even just is like, oh, this is fucked. I'm fighting dragons. I'm out of here. And then we see Death Dealer come back as a mercenary for a different bad guy. What Toss Monster does. Yeah. Yeah. Just basic shit, man. I miss good boss deaths, too. Yeah. We were talking about this before, I mean, for any of it, Indiana Jones is like the gold standard for boss deaths. Everybody gets a good boss. It's all bosses. Yeah. Yeah, I think, let's see, because with Last Crusade, we have the, yeah, the rail, the wrong grail. With Temple of Doom, we have the Falling Down of the Neaten by Crocodiles, and everyone else. The Ark. The Ark. Yeah, that's the big one. Well, those are your big bad ones, but, I mean, even the sub-bosses like to do something. The sub-bosses and the muscle. They all get, remember the muscle in, and the Ark gets shredded by the airplane. Yeah. Kingdom of Doom, you had the cool fights on the... You got crushed in a conveyor belt, right? He did, yeah, his ant tassel thing, he got caught in the grinder. Yeah, flat. You could say that the tank was sort of a boss battle in and of itself. Yeah, though, that was the muscle. Oh yeah, he died in the, what was his face? I forget his name, but he died in the tank and it went over the ledge, yeah. Yeah. And it didn't explode to say he got tossed around and tumbled around, yeah. Fuck, yeah, he got fucked up. And all the Nazis along the way, he fought. Those are, we gotta see those movies again. Oh, wait, oh, what about the other one, the fourth Indiana Jones movie? Oh, well, that one had the ants. The fuck, the ants, remember that? That crazy shit. I do remember the ants, yeah. Yeah, that was some nightmare fuel right there. The ants ate Cape Blanchett, right? No, Cape Blanchett died by the aliens. Did someone get eaten by the ants? Yeah, the mini-boss got killed by the ants. I mean, yeah, that was nice and terrifying. Is it sort of like poetic that a communist gets killed by ants? Because the ants are the worker class? It's like a collective, like a, you know, each of them a little bit, a little peace, you know, just mindless drones, yeah. The funny thing about that, right, is everyone says, and it's totally fair, there are only three Indiana Jones movies, but at the same time, if we were to do it awkwardly, it was like, I assume people would want us to watch the fourth one to rip on it, right? I think we'd have to, because yeah, we can't exclude the bad ones from the other series we do, right? That'd be cheating if we said, we all know that one's bad, we're not gonna watch that one. Wait, am I just doing it with the MCU? We just like fucking... We watch like four movies, and that's it. Stepping over huge gaps. And Tuesdays done, we did it, we watched all of it. There's no, there's only four movies. Who are these other people? But yeah, and then the fifth one's coming out, so, yeah, huh. Yeah, I get excited. Everyone's getting excited. Yeah. How does it feel to watch your favorite French? How does it feel? Feels great, man. Cleaning the theaters for Shang-Chi, I watched the after credits theme over and over. I hate how they destroy impact of a scene with comedy. Karaoke lulls. Also, check out the truck in the far right lower corner. I don't know what that would be referring to. Truck in the far, maybe if there's like, whether a traffic scene and maybe a car was supposed to be somewhere, is it the zoom out scene when we see the 10 rings compound because there's some cars and stuff driving in and out in that scene? Just do it more, check the truck. I don't know what truck I'm supposed to check. I don't know what this shit means. Also, look for you, I've trapped him. Wait, let me see something. Oh, shit, okay, the game has a way of dealing with it. Technology. You don't dare cheat us. EVE-UP is my favorite sports podcast. I can't wait to find out which sport is objectively the best. Also, hello, Molo, Shad, Fringo and Drinker. Hello. No. No, hi, Franks, my God. Ah, well, feels wrong. No one can be, not everyone can be an amazing winner super chatter. The dialogue between Tony Stark and the Air Force Infantry and I'm one of some of the best in the MCU, good days. Which, oh, he's talking about when they were, which part of the talk? The dog fight. The dog fight, I think. Well, that wasn't... No, when he's in the car? Isn't he when he's in the car at the very beginning? Yeah, because I was gonna say, there's a couple of things they might be referring to. He fights, he dies by death. If he doesn't talk to them, he talks to Terence Howard at that point. He talks to Roy. Yeah, so I don't think they're referring to that. Otherwise, why would they not just say Roy? I'm assuming they're talking about the intro where he's talking to the guys in the trucks, just like Shad said. Oh, but weren't they Army, not Air Force? I don't know. They could be Air Force infantry. Easy to get them mixed up. Yeah, I definitely wouldn't be able to definitively know the difference on that one. Apparently the people in the Humvees are Airmen. All right. Okay, there you go. Hydra, Shield, the Sorcerer's Red Room Eternals, Ten Rings, the Forest Village, the Hand, et cetera. Marvel really likes the group that is super influential, but only show themselves now, trope. Yeah, it's fucking tired as hell. They need to stop. And we're gonna get more with Secret Invasion. Hey, look, the Skrulls, they were here all along. Dead Island When and Jackie Chan Oni Movie When? I mean, I'm on board doing both of them. Oh, classic Jackie Chan movies, love them. Legend of Dragon Master, some of the most incredible choreography and stunts, especially in that big ending fight. It's just next level. It's jaw-dropping. Maybe we do a Jackie Chan off. Oh, I'll be on board then. I have to throw in Black Wyrmoth again. Chris Tucker won. Rush down. That's it. Rush down. Yeah, I think that would be one to throw in. It's a cosmic chicken. Maybe referring to the Amanda and Chicken meal thing. Maybe. Don't know. Which came first? The cosmic chicken or the wild egg? Also, high racks. The cosmic chicken. Laid the world egg. The world egg has many names. The cosmic chicken didn't come from a wild egg? No. Okay. We'll create the cosmic chicken. Oh, we're going to special plead our way out of this one. Fine. I just wanted to know. Well, technically, the chicken comes before the egg, right? I don't know. I don't even have to make a right here. Evolutionary speaking. What source are you appealing to there? Because of the reality? Well, I mean, yeah. Well, I guess it would be presumably that egg was a something that came after the organism. This is a category thing, right? Like there's a line that gets crossed eventually where the chicken used to be a different sort of species, but then it became a chicken over many mutations or whatever. I assume when it comes to, yeah, I guess eventually it would be, I guess you would know most when it was like an adult, right? You'd be able to verify it more accurately if you had adult samples to eventually say, OK, we are now going to differentiate at this point because they're substantially different or different. With evolution, the egg has to come first because the egg would hold the first mutated chicken. Or mutated enough to be considered a chicken. And when it hatched, that's how first chicken happened. I assume so because if an animal, because the egg is a combination of multiple genes and it adds its own mutations. So I guess when it lays the egg, once as it's forming and it has an egg and that egg gets laid, that would be the first of, I guess, whenever the new species, technically, even though it's largely arbitrary, that would be the egg. There we go, we solved the question. Yeah. It comes first. No one ever did this before with the first. By the way, we're not talking about eggs in general. Before chickens, that would be dumb because obviously eggs existed before chickens existed. We're talking about chickens and eggs and themselves. What about chags? But yeah. I don't know about chags. I don't know about chags. I don't know about chags. Surely the greatest mystery of our time. We'll answer that one on the next stream. You know, one huge problem at a time. Which came first, the nuggie or the chicken. Well, the nuggie obviously came first. Chickens are just the action of the nuggie. Nuggies are like, yeah, spiritual beings. Yeah, what happens when we accidentally allow a chicken to go unnuggied? Yeah. Everyone knows the forest kills people when it wakes up. Haven't you seen Lord of the Rings? I mean, Lord of the Rings is not one to one with real world. It's close, who will give you that? I didn't know that Shunji was an adaptation of Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings actually has a more valid explanation for moving trees than Shang-Chi does. Well, yeah, I guess the trees are actually like... They don't have one in Shang-Chi at all. Exactly. Oh, yeah, that's right. There was no explanation. It's just the way it works. Basically says here at some point in evolutionary history when there were no chickens, two birds that were almost but not quite chickens made it and laid an egg that hatched into the first chicken. If you're prepared to call that egg a chicken's egg, then the egg came first. Yep. I agree. Could you shout out all weekend charity marathon at Green Zone? Maybe rate it after this stream with $3 each. We could even double their goal. I haven't... What is the charity stream? As I was saying, there's no idea what charity it is. Gotta be careful because you never know what charities are doing, what, where, why, who, where, when, what. Hmm. But obviously, if it's all good stuff, then super appreciated, good stuff. Morris is Disney's attempt to monopolize the head pillow market. I mean, maybe. They'll probably be able to get a few sold, I'd imagine. I'm sure that they're already selling toys for Morris. I don't know. Not as well. It's not really near as cute as other toys. And so I don't think they're going to be near as well. Wow, Chad. Picking on Morris. I will. I think that Morris kind of neat. Like, I think it's kind of neat. There you go. Fringy's going to buy, like, five Morris's now that you've said this. Um, I... Oh, Fringy, you're just weird. You actually going to buy a Morris thing? I'll hold that against you, Fringy. I don't know that I would buy a Morris toy. Well, Pia, perhaps you're out of there. No, not really. It's more of like a matter of base and just, you know, Yeah, yeah, taste, because he sucks. I agree. Well, it's just priorities, right? I've already got the rags plush and the molly plush, and I got other plushes that already, you know, exist in this. Sounds like you're agreeing with Chad, then, that it's with the rags plush and the molla plush are objectively superior to this crappy, retarded, mutated thing. I don't know that it's objectively better. It's more that there is a personal priority to have the rags and molla plushes over the Morris plush. But I don't know that I'd be opposed to getting the molla plush. Oh, you're clearly an awful human being. I just think it's kind of neat. Like, it's as a thing. Awful. Sorry, I did. That's, you know what? You can hate it. That's totally fine. I will take your plush. Yeah, the shy guy plush is also another priority one. That's a, I'll be adding that. Who better, shy guy or Morris? Shy guys better than Morris. Yeah. Sorry, Morris. You're Morris, so you're going to have to have to have your plush. Can you name a single plush that Morris is better than at the moment? The Quinton plush? Yeah, definitely. I have to concede that point. You got me. I feel like there'd be a number of animals that I'd feel would be more interesting to have Morris than a plushie nepotism in a certain sense, yeah. The pandemic plushie nepotism is everywhere. If they let the Mandarin originally in, he could have killed the beast with the ten ring, so it was never an issue for anyone. I'm not quite sure what's being said in the super chat, but one of the guests I'm having is, are we saying that it's kind of amusing that when we could have probably have killed the dragon, you think? Oh, I mean, the rings are obviously capable of killing it, because it uses them to kill it. So it'd be pretty funny if, like, Shang-Chi's like, no, you're going to release the horrible monster. What are you doing? He's like, if there's a horrible monster, I'll kill it. Like, it's fine. He's like, no, it's really powerful. He jumps out of the dragon's that fires all the rings into it, explodes it. He's like, it's fine. It's fine. Now, can I look for my wife, please? It's like, OK. And please, not with you. You're not coming back. It's like, what if you release another one? He's like, I'll kill it. I'll kill any fucking demons that come out of here. OK, you can leave me alone now. All right. I think they mean the first time he visited the magic forest and met his wife. What the fuck was that sentence? Oh, so I don't think they're going to be able to. So the idea would be if he made it to the forest and they were like, we have a giant beast behind this wall. Could you kill it with your ten rings? I don't think they would rather the wall doesn't get removed at all, you know? Yeah, because for all we know, and this is totally fair for the film, there may be more than just that thing behind that wall. Like I said, it seems to the he reseals it. So I don't know if the idea was like, there's a whole army of spooky demon dragons back there. And the haps. Yeah. It's it's whatever. So we have Wakanda and the Chinese Wakanda. When do we get Mexican Wakanda or French Wakanda? Maybe a Thai Wakanda, too. Is Mongolian Wakanda moral? I'm sure it's going to be great. I'm sure they're all horrific, terrible places. Does it mean that it is actually hard to generate a secret but also super altruistic society this existed since the Stone Age would better technology than everybody that chose to do nothing about anything? Like, um, yeah, how do we do this? Yeah, those things don't fit together. Yeah, it wasn't even like, oh, it's Atlantis and they sunk and they're trapped under water or something so they can't get out or, you know, something like that. Or even that they just don't like the world, make them. Yeah, it's. Oh, yeah, you mean like maybe they had a war with humans? Well, because Atlantis in Aquaman don't like the surface, right? So that's why they don't interact with them. The animated Atlantis, something like that. They collapsed into the their technology was able to save them. I'm pretty sure Atlantis is being introduced in Black Panther 2, by the way. Pretty sure that's just like knowing that they're introducing Atlantis as well. I think it's Atlantis. Atlantis is the main guy named Namor. Namor, that's right, yeah. Name him. I'm pretty sure he's just confirmed to be in that movie. So no more. That's what that's what whenever I go to Waffle House and the waitress asking her to syrup. That's what I will say when she says, is that enough? I'll say name or name more ranks. You watch the meme where you said that, remember? I did. That was really good. I really enjoyed that with all the syrup just getting to fill in it. That must be bizarre. All the people walking by the Waffle House because they have the two of the walls are just like windows. So you can see inside and everything like that. It's got a diner kind of feel to it. And just looking in and just seeing it just full of syrup. Everyone's just up to their shoulders and syrup, you know? Eating the plates have floated now on top of the syrup and they're just eating off of it. Maybe if someone moves it makes a little I guess I missed some ripples and waves in there. I thought that the doors were probably either open or the syrup could get through them and only filled up because it had filled up the whole planet at that point. I mean, it was, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's sealed enough to where it keeps all of it in. I mean, it pours faster than it drains. I imagine that a Waffle House is, maybe they keep a pretty tight ship over there. So I feel like it would seal it. She was pouring for a while. I'm sure it filled it both relatively quickly. Oh, no, I was done by then. I was done. Oh. I was done. I said, I said when by then and in doing so inadvertently and through total accident saves trillions of lives. What a story. That's right. Trillions with a B. They were more advanced than the devourer thing killed off their civilization. And now it's just a remnant, guarding the other dimensions with the dragon. I don't remember them being explicit about that. They remember that as a fight. I remember a lot of them dying, but they never said that they lost technology or they fell backwards. And if you lost it, why wouldn't you just remake it? Exactly. I mean, if you had people who were at least educated in the technology, they'd be at a recovered decent amount. They wouldn't be sent back to the medieval level technology. And wouldn't you use the portal to come to earth or something and get some cool like homes and like some gas generators or some combustion engines? That's another sort of thing. I wonder how much of their dimensions are aware of this portal to another universe that has way better technology and possibly entertainment and people. Yeah, when they're freezing their asses off in the winter and burning up in the summer, they're like, man, if there's only some way to condition this air to our liking. Condition air? Jeez. Unfortunately, we don't have such technology, such wonderful magical technology. It will revolutionize where we can live. We literally have magic, but we don't have such magical technology. At what point are you like, fuck magic, just give me stuff. We got dragon scales, though. That's good enough. It's like, yeah, but I want to see the new season of Breaking Bad, fuck the dragon scales. Lion King EFAT movies double feature when? It'll probably happen someday. I don't, we're not going to rush for that. People like watching us watch the classic stuff and then the horrible remakes. But like, you know, they're a miserable experience oftentimes, the new versions, right? I don't want to watch the new Lion King. If it's done, it will be done at some point, but it, oh. Ugh. We'll have to have YMS on for that, though. Absolutely. He will guide us. Yeah. Also, I'll be back. Oh my God, this car. Holy fuck. I'll be back in a moment. Oh, all right, it's just me and you, Chad. Hey, all right. I reckon we can do it. I think we can. All right, let's do it. Football is not played with the foot, it's played on foot. Like basketball is played on base as opposed to on polo played on horse. It was a polo played on horse. Football's played on foot, basketball's played on base. On foot. Well, baseball's played on. Say no, hang on. Is he saying it's on foot as in you're walking on foot? I guess so, but isn't that like all sports? Yeah, I guess it's not chess. That's what they call it. On chess. Sit ball. Exactly. It's on chess for. Yeah, as soon as I mean, at that point, the naming conventions for the other ones are all going to get confused. Yep. Not a clam slam, Chad. A cunt punt. Oh my God. Beautiful language. Isn't English just wonderful? Oh, my goodness. I can't say that because I avoid saying that naughty word. Because I'm a good Christian boy. Absolutely. Oh, the rest of them just loaded up and it's like, yeah, we are not. It's going to take a while. Ellie is gay and she shoots a bow. Can't be too hard. Yeah, you know, from who? From where? Oh, that's the last of us. If gay people can shoot bows, they can't be that hard. That's yeah, there you go. I don't have any reference in that. I like. I don't think it has too much, you know, influence on it. I would have thought up a body straight and, you know, steady. I heard actually the weaker you are, the better archer you'll be. Oh, oh, crap. I'm small, so OK. You have your little ideas, but let me let me counter you with this. Whenever they are women's in stuff, they will end up being the archer. And women are often weaker than men, so there you go. Yes, that's that's a pet peeve of mine. I even criticise like in one of the videos where I talk about the best weapons for women. I do have a dedicated video on this subject. I point out this contradiction. There's literally like a shot of the Hunger Games where Cadmus Everdeen, she's holding the bow and next to her is a boyfriend and he's got a crossbow. And I'm like, man, this is backwards. He will first give the weapon to she would need the crossbow. Isn't it that even crossbows can be tough as well? Right, strength lines. You need to, I guess, if you have a tool to pull back the wire or if you're doing it by hand. And you can pull back a heavier crossbow easily and pull back a heavier bow because you have like just even a foot syrup to hold it down and you can use different muscles. You're pulling upwards, which is an easier thing to do to handle heavier weights than the posture you have with a bow to pull back a really heavy bow. And also just just on the last of this thing. So the boat she's using is probably like, you know, a good 40 pound hunting bow and they exist. And you can actually take down game with like even a 40 pound bow. Especially with the right type of arrowhead and that could still kill a person because you'd be surprised how lethal, even lower poundage bows can be. The issue that you run into is when you have any type of protective layer, like even thick clothing, especially armor. That's why they had such heavy poundage bows in warfare. That's why you have the classification of war bow to deal with armor specifically. That's the whole point behind them and also range. They wanted much greater ranges to hit the enemy as well. Well, here's the killer argument. Guns typically deal more damage than bows do. And women and people of weaker muscle can handle guns. So why can't they handle bows? That's too big brain. I think that's blown me away. I was going to say. Those typically deal. Those are lethal. You know, you pull them back, you fire them in a video game and it kills the person instantly, not like bullets. Usually takes a couple of those. Yes, it's a fair point. Yeah, more lethal in games. Yeah, a lot of games, your head shot someone with a gun and it will not kill them. But a bow, like an arrow from a bow usually does so to Shay. Yeah, I'm not talking about the black ops one where it like explodes. We're not talking about that one. This is flawless logic. I'm having trouble arguing against it. I was going to say the one thing you have to deal with, though they're free is more games have guns in them and and then they do bows and gamers are often weak muscled. Mm, so something to think about. Yeah. Remember when there was like that time when just every game had bows? Like Tomb Raider, Crysis three. I think Far Cry three as well. Yeah, like just games had bows. That was the fixation. Those are cool. All right, like they are cool weapon. It was just weird that all the video games that time which had bows, they all had them. And seriously, though, just another cool factor, right? Shooting a war of bow. All right, there is this just rush, this impact like the vibration of the bow because the string hits tight so suddenly and the pressure that your body is under and then the sudden release and jerk that happens in it. It's a unique experience. It is really cool. Lots of fun. I'm assuming there is a similar experience in that when you fire like a gun for the first time, you get a huge sense of power where you haven't had before necessarily. And there are different rushes for those sorts of things. Absolutely. Like you're in an Iron Man suit or you feel pretty badass. Oh, yeah. And for like most people and I found this more common with guys just holding a sword for the first time. They get a sword in their hands and this is a sense of power. This is cool feeling that comes with this. It's awesome. That's toxic masculinity is what you feel in there. We're getting all injected into my veins. I love toxic masculinity is rushing through my veins. It's like I'm going super saying I'm going super toxic. You met him in Utah, but they landed on Obama in the movie. No, I'm an Omaha, not Obama, ruined my joke. Damn it. No, I'm Obama Beach, Obama Beach. With the shun killing that guy, even if it is the most basic version of it, you guys have to say they could have still done that well. They don't even use the simple ideas to any effect, just killing bad. Yeah, we went over the whole conversation, doesn't really tell us anything about him. He's just like sad about it. And you just don't really you like it's not even necessarily that he's worried that she will look think he's a killer, but he doesn't express any real regret that he killed someone. It's almost more implied that he's happy he did because he killed the killer of his mom. And so nothing is really given us in detail about how he truly feels and how it's affecting him. Maybe he'll have his own movie in Chongchi, too. You know, first one was just the baby steps. Maybe spectacle martial arts fighting, flashing lights, clunky dialogue, airbending dragons, people misusing weapons, inconsistent tech levels. It's Atla. Oh my God. Not allowed to say that. Stop it. I'm several hours behind. The proper name for American football is Handegg. Handegg. I've heard of I've heard of Handegg. Currently on EFAP 62, while this is live, let's see how long it takes me to catch up to this super chat. Maybe weeks. Also, high rags. Hello. Enjoy your adventure, sir. Absolutely. Have a good time. Drinkers, Invincible Video is one of the worst videos from a frequent EFAP guest. Way to cover an eight episode show in eight minutes. It definitely shows. Oh, man. It was great. Shut up. I don't know. Eight minutes is really quick. Chad. That is quite a short amount of time. That is quite that's a really quick. It depends on a short amount of time. But in terms of hitting the core things that the show did right, I thought he did a wonderful job. Yeah, sure. I guess it depends on what your goals are, right? Like, if you're not doing an exhaustive recommendation or a few things, I think a cool. Yeah, exactly. Like, if that's the case, then yeah, I was going to say, like eight minutes for a recommendation on TV show seems fine to me. Yeah, yeah. I've been saying that for just eight minutes. I don't know what's about. That's what it was hard doing those video game reviews when they like, yeah, it should be around 10, 12 minutes or so. And I'd be like, can I talk for that little? I know the feel. Um, who cares about Shang-Chi Spider-Man's coming out? Well, I mean, we don't have to care about Shang-Chi now. We've done it at the time of year. And funnily enough, that is one of the reasons I think a lot of people don't care about Shang-Chi because Spider-Man is coming out and focusing on that. Well, when that Spider-Man trailer came out, it's like a turtles and Shang-Chi kind of just dropped off real quick. Well, yeah. Once the, I guess, official or second trailer comes out again, the turtles can be like, please let us have at least a week. Please pay attention to us, please. We're also here. Godzilla 98 should have been called the Beast from 20,000 fathoms. And it wouldn't have been so widely panned by Godzilla fans. Godzilla 98 is not Godzilla. It's called Godzilla. Yeah, the adaptation of Godzilla. I know that it's not as cool as the other Godzilla's in many ways. He's much more like a dinosaur. Or at least I assume that's what they were trying to do with him because Dratspar was 93 and that was 98, right? So that kind of makes sense. But yeah, I know I'm assuming you guys this is the thing. The Godzilla, you know, crowd of whether or not something gets to be deemed Godzilla. You guys approve of, I assume, Godzilla, King of the Monsters and versus Kong. And I'm sure both of those movies, 17 second one, rather the latter one, I'm sure they're absolute crap. But as long as he looks like Godzilla, it's good enough. It's like, OK. Lucky they didn't make any comics about him. They did, didn't they? Are they Godzilla comics? Chad, you might know this. I'm very likely there are. Yeah, back in the day, people would make comic books about any popular cultural thing and then the crossovers. It was even a fun kind of aliens versus superhero characters in the image comics line. I forget the actual ones are aliens and Predator Comics and Godzilla. Terminator versus Predator versus Alien versus Freddy versus Kruger. What are your thoughts on what Denis Villeneuve said about Marvel movies being cut and paste? So that's close to what we've been saying for a while now about the whole. That's what the sludge thing is. The idea with the sludge thing is that they're all coming out and that you can't really tell with one end, one starts and there's all the same color and smell and taste. It's just it's all sludge. Though the problem with Denis Villeneuve's comment is that he doesn't have enough balls. I'm afraid it's the same thing every time where they'll criticize it broadly and then people ask them specifics and then they like run away. They're like, yeah, and I'm pretty sure he was pressed for whether or not because everyone's talking about the stupid Oscar winning director, right? As if there's no other directors in the same interview, by the way. I think that was the same interview. But still, it's kind of the same thing where. But also, you haven't seen the movie. It doesn't exist yet. So, like, well, never. How can you? That's not even the point I'm making. So I think it's gay as fuck that he's like, oh, you know, she might make some really visual like, what are all the other people? Hmm. Like you. James Gunn, sorry, buddy. Yeah, why are you so sorry? Why are you like, oh, oops, I might have stood on this this lady's directorial Marvel debut. It's like, what are all the people you just shout on? Like, I thought that was the point of your comment. If you have the concern you have, if that is a concern you have, then just don't say anything at all. Exactly. Like, about any of it. The thing is, when someone says like, wow, you guys reckon that it's like all sludge right now. I'd be like, right now, yeah. And it'd be like, so has there ever been sludge before? We're like, yeah, there's been bits and bobs and stuff. There's also been some really good things. Look at Iron Man 3. Or two. Ant-Man kind of, Ant-Man on the Wasp, certainly. Ant-Man sludge, yeah. Yeah, you know, and someone was like, wow, you just shadowed over blah, blah, blah, as work. I'd be like, yep, that's what I did. Just own it. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, if you're going to be like, you know, this is what I think of Marvel movies. And they're like, wow, you just said that about blah, blah, blah, as work. And they're like, oh, no, no, no, no, I didn't. And it's like, how did you not reconcile that it's the same shit with Martin Scorsese as well, which, by the way, upset James Gunn to the point where James Gunn said Scorsese said it because he's trying to get more marketing for his movie. And then everyone hated James Gunn for saying that. And I'm just sitting there like, for fuck's sake. Like, it'd be nicer if everyone could just be a little bit more honest with each other. And if Martin Scorsese said, yeah, I haven't seen any of those fucking shitty Marvel movies. But from what I've seen, they just look terrible. That's all. And I don't like that they made on a production line. I don't like how much passion and creativity doesn't seem to be in their production. Obviously, I don't know for sure, but that's my guess. And I honestly think people will be like, you're a legend. I completely agree. But that would be a decent take. That's basically the take. Instead, they're like theme park rides, and that's fine. But it's just not about emotional journeys. And you're like, dude, what are you doing? And he's like, I'm not saying they're bad. You know, it's fine. You can enjoy popcorn. They're just not cinema, though, you know? Like it's not the same thing either. What are you doing? What are you doing? Just say they're bad. That's it. Just say they're bad. Just say they're shit for losers. I know it's what you're thinking. Like, come on, just say they're shit for losers. You can do it, I believe in you. Because when he's talking to a friend of his and some off-the-record-y thing, he's probably said they're destroying the movie industry. And they're completely devoid. Well, I'd be right about that. Well, that's the funny thing. I would way prefer to hear unfiltered comments instead of having to dance around not trying to offend anybody, but also trying to make a point. Free, if you were a mile out in the ocean with no boat and just a pair of swim trunks, would you rather come face-to-face with a great white shark or a saltwater crocodile, also high-rex? I think I'd take the shark because I feel like I've got better odds of surviving that. Oh, I thought that your logic was going to be I need to choose the one that kills me the fastest because you're dead either way. So hang on. How far out in the ocean are you? Because if you're a deep- You said a mile? That's 1.6 kilometers. I could swim back. Yeah, because I would go for the crocodile because aren't they, don't they hunt more in shallow water? Well, the problem is that if the crocodile, if I am to assume that either of them are attacking me, if I got the crocodile, I'm done. I was about to say, I think we should assume that both aggressively, again, we had this question before and it's like, why would we assume that either of them might not attack you? Like the docile or whatever. I'm assuming the question- Let's assume that they both attack, yeah. Blood of my blood. I'll take the shark over the crocodile. I think that I have a better chance of escaping the crocodile, the shark, than I do the crocodile. Like if I punch it in the face, it might leave me alone. Whereas the crocodile, I feel like it's gonna be a much more difficult fight. And as people, as someone has already mentioned in chat, like the croc has a stronger bite, bite strength. So if it grabs me, it's gonna be harder for me to escape. Saltwater crocodiles are huge as well. They're like four meters long. So yeah. Death row, go with something as a death type move. Well, the problem is it's like, if I wanna live, then I don't wanna go with the crocodile because of that. There are so many female archeologists because women love digging up the past. Hi, rags. Hello. Fair enough. Of course, people loved Loki getting completely character assassinated. You've seen how much morons clapped for Atlas finale and that is a nine out of 10 on IMDb. Wow. Oh my God. Too hot for TV. I mean, well, if you wanted to do just a broad criticism of the general viewing audience, it's like, yeah, I mean, we'll always have shit stuff because it's very easy to appeal to common denominators. You know, there's a meme for a reason. It's like, have explosions. It's like, why? It's like, people really like explosions. Like it's just satisfying to watch stuff blow up. It's also just the colors or whatever. It's just like, have an explosion. It'll help you out. It's like, people will be like, oh, there was an explosion. That was neat. Lasers. Lasers are kind of cool. I like seeing lasers. Have some lasers. Maybe the lasers make an explosion. Australia doesn't exist. Stop lying to chat, Shad and Froggy. This is not a lie. I don't know what else to say. Sounds like what a lie I would say. The poor souls would soon end up thinking the Queen of England even exists. Hi rags. Hello. She's just a spooky bedtime story. Hi rags. Hello, hi. Install a bear trap in your front yard when someone screams, your pizza has arrived. Yeah, that would work. Hey, that tells you where we're at, I guess. That, we talked about that when we were at five hours in, right? Oh boy. We did. We're getting there. We're making progress. We just crossed 10 hours. You guys, are you still looking at her? I'm okay, personally. I'm awake at the moment. I'm all right. I'm okay. I'll be happy when we get to the end. I'll say that. I'm ready to finish. We'll put it that way. Very well. Matt Jabo works for DoorDash. Oh. You wanna see? No wonder it has a bad reputation. How bad did your YouTube career go? Well. Well, maybe he can do some DoorDash vlogs or he's like, I'm on my exciting delivery. Oh, maybe he has. Let me go to his chat. Let me get, what, it's three buck theater, right? I think he has two channels. That's what he normally. Yeah, he has a couple. Yeah, I'm not 100% sure. All right. Minions. Mwah, mwah, mwah. Mwah, mwah, mwah. And there's no annoyance, wrong, wrong things here. Just destroy a crowd. And I guess he is Hollywood after dark is his show. Avoiding the rabbit hole. Andrew Garfield in 8K was a deep fake. Hawkeye reaction. Megan Fox versus Chud, Indy getting replaced. Cheng, she again dominates USA. But why is that one in all caps? Alex Jones broke the fandom menace. Oh, my God, Fringy. Fringy, look. Look, Homer, he's, what's he eating? He's eating cheese slices. Oh, yeah. He eats them all in the morning. He just feels ill. One thousand slices of American cheese. One, two, nine hundred ninety nine, one hundred. And then Mr. Burns and Smith is full off of the ceiling. Yeah, because he just comes into eat cheese. Specifically cheese. There was somebody like, oh, fuck. Now I'm just thinking of the the one where they were trying to where Mr. Burns was trying to kill Abe. The first one was to poison his dentures. But when the alarm goes off, he throws the glass and then puts the alarm in his mouth. The second one, your family's here to see you. Hot dog. Wait a minute. My family would never want to touch the knife. Oh, not again. I'll be in the car, dudes. And then, of course, the finale. There is one more way to kill a man, but it is as intricate and precise as a well-played game of chess kicks the door with a machine gun. Why is it? Was that you or is that me? And then what was it? Oh, the nurse. Fuck. Yeah, the nurse is like, help. So it's trying to kill me. OK, we'll take care of that. First, let's double your medication. The guy buss in, pulls the shotgun out. Our residents are trying to nap. Oh, it's good defense systems. I'm having your order leads with shotguns. Man, he's just going at that cheese. Look at him. He just keeps going. Look at him. Oh, we really like this. This is the American and cheese. I just associate them very much. So American cheese is just, I think, of Homo sitting there. You'd be really cool if the cheese was gradually going. I'm not reading the script. I just I know the lines word for word for a lot of these. I don't think they understand unless they had the same upbringing of watching a lot of Simpsons classic episodes over and over again because they were that exactly. Because I remember exactly what happened in that episode because it was the flying hell fish and they got a bunch of art from France and World War Two. And they made a bet that whoever survived would get to the end. Yeah. And the only people left were Burns and Abe. And so Mr. Burns was trying to have Abe killed so that he could get it. And that was that might be one of my. I think that is a strong contender for the best Abe since an episode. Yeah, it's a really good one for him. It just reminds you of like how cool he is as a character. Seeing him do these really. Oh, man, it's it's a great archetype of having like the old man going adventures like just like when he was younger. It's a really great episode. Abe is he is a is a pretty great character. I give him three thumbs up. Yeah, I give him four thumbs up. Nice. And so I think he mentioned Matt. He his main channel, he nuked it, I guess, a while ago. He's the last video was three months ago. So boy, I guess the three buck theater seems to be what he's on these days. And what so you can go there to listen to all of his insightful commentary on like the film industry? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, he worked in the industry, right? So if anybody should have something interesting to say, you'd think. Hmm. Man, that that bolder thing that that was that was a mistake. I'll say it again. I always say it, even if it's true, come up with a better life because that is not to be believed. I went out picking up boulders. Like what oddly specific, but also really unbelievable thing. Yeah, what's the thing? All of this is solved by the simple fact that he's extremely arrogant and incredibly stupid. Yeah. So like those things mesh. The whole thing is like that. It's honestly like art, watching how the lie begins. And then it's like, well, wait, you can you can see whether or not you've done this by pulling up this tab. Do it. And then he's like, oh, yeah. And it's like, oh, no. Just immediately does the I've been going through some things. Like. It's honestly one of the best moments on the Internet. Just it's just one of those trophy case moments. I can't believe the idiot did it. I know. Like the absolute idiot that he has thing insanely arrogant, incredibly stupid. I don't know what he was thinking. He the worst possible thing you could have done. Well, considering the career that you have, it's like, yeah, you kind of understand the consequences of this and you did it. What a character. Well, yeah, well, I mean, sir. One like, like I've said, one day his his his his spawn will be his his wife's kid is going to grow up. And that kid will get on the Internet as all people do and learn about the legacy of their father. You know what I mean? I guess you could extract that more broadly, right? There are probably heaps of people who like their parents have this sort of legacy on the Internet. Sure. But like, man, it's kind of a new thing. Yeah, you haven't had to deal with that before. Yeah, like if your parents were like weirdo losers, you wouldn't know about it. Like, there's no way to. It's not something you you could really find out a lot of the times, like I'm going to track down all the college friends that my parents had, you know, 30 years ago or whatever. Or I'm going to do that, that that that that you couldn't really do that. It was an insane process that just you didn't do. And nowadays, it's just as simple as, oh, let me check out my dad's YouTube channel. Oh, my God, everyone. Hey, oh, my God, my dad's a loser. That must suck to find out. But I don't feel sorry for him. Not Matt. You can't get over boulders. Like what? Like boulders, what? Dad, we never went boulder collecting. Imagine the expose that will come out in 10 years or whatever. I don't know how long it'll be. It was like, all right, yeah, that boulder thing. That was horseshit. I was there. That's going to be one of those things, though, they announced it and everyone's like, yeah. Yeah, we know it wasn't. But it's good to get confirmation. Yeah, we know it's fine. We just want to watch Matt's kid dunk on Matt. Join the crowd, kid. Maybe Matt Jarbo's kid. Like, you know how two ugly people can make a beautiful baby? Maybe that's sort of like what will happen where Matt is such a just just a loser and an idiot and an arrogant asshole. He does somehow that gets filtered through some genetic process. And the kid is just amazing, smart, handsome, witty, wise, just this incredible renaissance man of our age, the new Leonardo da Vinci. And, you know, and then everyone loves them and they're great and they're super humble and they never tell anybody who the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what's your surname? It's not really relevant, is it? You should talk about other things. Special instructions do not come on pizza. I rags. Do you need to come in pizza? That's a good idea. Hello to you. Pop that on the door. I can pop that into the special instructions because I know they don't read that shit. I've even called them before when they fucked up orders and stuff like, hey, that's that's that. I don't know why every every every fucking time you call me and you ask where the house is and it's in the special instructions exactly where it is, like the building and everything. So I'm just like, do you not show people that? Oh, make sure they know. And of course they don't. They like you fucking loser working at a place like this and doing a shit job at it, which is a big thing. Doing a shit job at it. Rags is correct about Dordash. I once had a driver fuck off after they picked up my food. I could see them on the GPS driving around for the next hour. And my phone just said, your order is on the way. Like see them driving around. What were they doing? Just, you know, what if I just drive food like a no. I just have like, I have very reasonable standards for when I pay a company money for shit. I have given you money in exchange. You will deliver to me a pizza and a satisfactorily edible state. My address is listed here. You can you can fill in. You can figure out the rest. Fuck it up and he'll come for you. Fuck it up and I will call you and I will be upset and you won't get me a free pizza. And I will just have the one you fucked up as leftovers later. Something I don't know. Yeah, check out the arms and armor of the game Greedfall, excluding the mallets and warhammers. I think they look plausible for the most part. Yeah, from what I remember, they went too bad. I only got as far as the tutorial before I got distracted and stopped playing it wasn't because it was bad, but I didn't have enough time to get hooked or anything. But from what I remember, it seemed all right. No, Chad only stays longer when he's in captivity. That's fair. Yeah, I can't blame you too much for that one. He hasn't got a family to distract him. We have him now. Used to think the Star Wars universe would be great setting for a Western, but after having watched Mandalorian, I've changed my mind. No, it is just Mandalorian is bad. We can still do it. I had really high hopes for that show. Do you remember when we watched episode one, Rags Free? Remember those? I do. Yeah, we thought it was good on the very first viewing, but then we wise end up to that pretty quick. They didn't keep us fooled for long. One division was the same thing. First couple episodes, it's like, oh, boy, this is so. I mean, those episodes are still probably good. But those they serve good. I still think they're good. Because like I was explaining to some people, I was talking to them earlier, I was saying, one of the reasons the first few episodes were good is was, was because it was all setups and aesthetics. So it wasn't really the, we were waiting for those to get paid off. Like it's easy to make setups that are good. You know, that's like the first half of a joke. Literally, what's in this box? It's easy to come up with the first half of a joke. What's in the box? Like, wow, they nailed that setup. What is in the box? And then they open the box and it's like, I would, I would like to know what is in the box. Yeah. Or if I was watching loss, what is behind the door? And then why do we press the button? And then holy crap, you're just going to keep doing this every single season, aren't you? I'm not going to care for these brain cells over this. And then I've activated lost fans before by saying the smoke monster was shit. They're a fan of this stuff, you know, just gotta be careful out there. You never know what's going to happen. Purgatory, that's what lost was. Is your answer. Purgatory. Did y'all see the video on Twitter of some guy in Australia who took out four cops? Dankular retweeted it. Dude has some insane flow right there. Four cops? What do you do? Is that the one where it's in the- Like on a date? Yeah. That's nice. Is it the one where there's the protest and the protesters break through the police lines and they're just running crazy? And there's one guy that's kind of going out of his way to run into police as his passing. That's- Yeah. Why do that? Good question. Because if you're upset with the government, you see the police as agents of the state. I mean, which they are, but it's your attitude as one of being aggressive and letting out that aggression on them, then that's a thing you'll do. I guess that my hope then would that- So I think it's fricking disgusting how the Australian government is actually trying to suppress protests for what's going on based on their breaking the law and stuff like that. I think people should have the right to protest and stuff. I agree. I mean- Don't go hurt the cops, go right for it. Yeah. Going out of their way to hurt police. Gosh, some of the things that the cops are doing in Australia is fricking disgusting. There's just, they've really gone overboard. I don't think that justifies people- You wouldn't be criticism of the institution rather than like individual police officers? Yeah, because there are heaps of great police officers that do a good job. It's, gee, it's a mess at the moment. It's just- Sad face. Why can't we live in a utopia with fluffy bunnies? Well, that's the thing. If you make it to where protests are not allowed, then you're essentially, violence is your option at that point. You can't, the government's not letting us protest. Well, I guess now violence is on the table because they've taken what we can't even, we're not even allowed to do this. Well, that's where what some Australians are getting pushed to, especially in these protests and stuff- That's what happens, yeah. They're trying to stop their right to protest. What's their other recourse? And then, especially with how aggressive some of these policemen are being, these are the bad examples. They go out of their way to do horrible things. And then the people who just are trying to defend themselves from this police over aggression, well, they can't do anything because if you resist in any measure, that's a crime. And so, you know, they have to get beaten down or execute a crime crime and defend themselves. I suppose my question would be then, is this the standard that everybody applies to all situations everywhere like people have conflicts with the police? Well, the correct answer at the moment is to not resist the police, unfortunately. I'm trying to use a democratic process to find justice and recourse and vote out- Well, that would be my assumption is the way that it should be done. Ideally that you work within the system to change the system. Ideally. Rather than beat the shit out of people, but mm-hmm. I've seen it put a lot on Twitter that it was an illegal freedom protest or whatever and everyone's laughing at that concept. But then I've seen people being like, this is a thing. There are legal and illegal ways to protest. And to me, I was like- You can get permits and things. You have to, you gotta let them know so that they can like maybe put up, you know, they could be around, you know, where they can make sure that an area might maybe need to be cleared out so that they can stop traffic, close off some roads for it. Well, people wanna go to work like you. Yeah, stuff like that where they can say, okay, there's gonna be a protest here. We need to put some signs and close off this road and do a detour or something. But if you go to apply for a permit for a protest and the government's like, nah, then, well, shit. Some people are gonna be like, well, I guess I'm gonna go fuck up some cops then because I guess that's what the rules are now. I'm not allowed to protest peacefully. Yeah, I don't know enough about all the specifics. I just know that that's the current discussion. So, Chad, can we expect a plushie from you sometime? No, but you can expect the Imperial Sword being made by literally the best LARP manufacturers of foam weapons in the world. And it's gonna be released pretty darn soon. And they look, I mean, I've held it. They look handle amazingly and they're incredible. Can't cut through bone there, LARP. But bone meal. Can it cut through bone meal? Yeah, do you not confirm it very fast? I struggle to have confidence in this. Sorry, can't cut through bone meal like I said. Wow. LARP say. Good for training, not good for training and good for hanging around and good for hanging on your wallage. They look amazing. Interesting, that's pretty shitty if it can't cut through bone meal, honestly. Hang on a line. What's bone meal, bone meal? What do you mean when you say bone meal? Like the powder, the ground animal bones and animal products. Oh, powder. Yeah, it's like a dust, yeah, dust powder. Britch and phosphorus. You said it, when you said it couldn't cut through bone meal, I was like, man, this is, what a load of crap. It must be made of paper. I still even think you could slide a piece of paper through with it. They don't, you gotta say, no, my foam sword will book up some bone meal and sugar and salt and lemon pepper. Yep, lemon pepper as well. Slice right through some cilantro. Well, that's my favorite spice girl, by the way. So we did have an injury on the sets that was caused by one of these swords while we were actually in the middle of filming the fight scene. And so, unfortunately, as things sometimes happen when you're filming a fight scene and yeah, people are going full energy and stuff, there was a connection close to the side of one of the actor's eyes and cut it open, so. So that's the, I couldn't ever support anything you do now, because you've led to direct toxic violence. I hope that takes, I hope that takes in the film or else they got hit for nothing. Well, actually, I think we are gonna be using that take because it's clearly connecting and the actress is reacting, like, because in the actual context. The actress? That's strike, now I'm definitely gonna watch it. Now I'm definitely watching it. Now I'm supposed to get cut along the cheek by that very move. And it was that move that unfortunately just. Look, if you're gonna abuse men, that's fine, but women, wow, I could have supported this, but you've gone too far. They were, gee, man, Dawson felt so bad about it, but and Caroline was such a good sport over it as well. It was a potential disaster, because it was like potentially the last time we had to try and film the sword fight. And we couldn't continue because she had actually cut the side of her, you know, not her eye, but just on the edge of her eye next to it. It did cut it open and it was bleeding and stuff, and we didn't know how deep it was or anything like that. And yeah, that potentially could have ruined a whole thing, but luckily we were able to organize it to film one other day to finish off the fight scene. And also luckily, and Caroline, it wasn't a serious injury, it was only very, very lightly there. And so things worked out, thank goodness. Molly you're gay. All right. Do you have anything to do with the EFAP Spotify playlist? It's missing a bunch of episodes and I love listening to it at work. I'm afraid not. That is ran by someone else. Hopefully it's functional and stuff, but no, I do not know. Hey, I think you can get YouTube to MP3, YouTube to MP3 sites that maybe you could use in the meantime, that'll just download the audio. So that's something that you could do, I suppose, if the episode isn't there and you just want to listen to it, that might be an option. Not something I generally recommend just for hassle, but I guess if an episode is six, seven, eight, nine, 10 hours, then the returns for the minimal effort to convert that file is not too bad. Oh, the file's too big for that. We got someone who's already tried it. Yeah, I guess you're screw delicious. Or you could just, I guess you could have it playing on the phone or something, maybe. I will see, I don't really watch videos on my phone. I don't use my phone much. If you're on YouTube on a phone and it idles long enough to where the screen turns off, does the audio still play? Only if you have YouTube premium. What? It's weird. That's a bizarre thing. I thought the audio is still playing. Oh, well, wait, if we're talking, so I guess that's gonna be down to your phone. You can set, I assume you can set it so that you can turn the screen off and it continues. But what I was talking about more so is you can literally put your phone into, what is the mode called? You know when you press the power button but quickly and it just puts it into standby, I guess, or whatever? If you have YouTube premium, it'll continue playing the video or at your pleasure sort of thing. But I'm pretty sure they try and make it so that you cannot, you can use the YouTube app at the same time as any other app if you have premium. I think they try and stop you if you haven't paid for premium. Oh, that's kind of lame. Well, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that because like YouTube is a pretty great service and it's free. And so the idea is like, if you pay for premium, you get a bunch of bonuses. It's like, I mean, yeah. You also don't have to have any ads anymore. Yeah. I don't know. Never Ever is a pretty good series. There's an episode on the Russian guy who stopped World War III and those people never knew about it till well after he died. That does sound interesting. Shad, thoughts on Kingdom Come Deliverance. Oh, right? Yeah, Kingdom Come Deliverance. I don't know anything about it really other than it's the game. No, you guys have ever played it? I haven't played it. In terms of how accurate it is, it's absolutely amazing. The world environment is some of the best depictions I've ever seen of a medieval world. Absolutely phenomenal. The armor is spectacular. So I really can't, I have very few criticisms of it overall. The heartbreaking thing for me, right, is that it's, I just, I can't get into first-person games. Like, it's the type of game I like for me to really enjoy and just get engrossed in. I need to be third-person. And so that's like a kick in the nuts of me because everything else about I really like. Yeah, it's just, I have my very distinct in particular preferences for video games. And I can do first-person when I'm like doing a shooter, like Counter-Strike or something like that. But for a medieval game like this, I just can't get into the first-person. That's weird. I've always found melee games to be just easily better in first-person, like not even close. Really? Ah, I'm the command leader. I don't agree. Yeah, I totally disagree with that one. I think third-person sounds good. Like being able to judge distances when he hits right there and you don't have to... I don't know, man. Like Devil May Cry, that's third-person's pretty good combat system. And that's entirely melee-based. Like Dark Souls, like the Souls games. I guess if it's a melee system like that, or it's like Super Arcade-y and... I'm going to be a radical sandvist and say whatever you prefer is fine. Well, I mean, your preference is a totally... whatever that you want them to be. I prefer third-person. Yeah, I think I prefer third. And I can get over this other part, but it's still my preference. I love character creation. A game that doesn't have character creation already is on a very difficult kind of back foot. But I can still do it. I mean, if I enjoy the character enough, I can just get through it. But honestly, that's the reason why I couldn't get into the Witcher series, is that I just didn't mesh with Geralt as the character. And that's annoying, because so much about the Witcher series, I'd love. Just again, I have such particular preference of my gaming that sometimes I just can't get past little annoyances that I just don't get into it. See, if you're in such like a toxic hater and just pretended it was what you wanted and liked it, you'd be having more fun. Yeah, just pretended it's what I want. Yeah. I've heard that's the thing. And, you know, who'd gone on the internet and lie? No one would do that. So, of course. On the topic of Westerns, the searchers is one of the last proper Westerns, and it's really good. Also, high rags and scratches for the long man. Oh, my God. I didn't consent to this. And yeah, the searchers is a... I'm aware of that one. Not seen it, though. Hang on, someone's saying, Tell Shad, there's a third person mode for the kingdom come. Are you kidding me? No, there's not in the game. Not that... What? Maybe they added one more. About that might be a mod. I was going to say, there's probably more than likely a mod for that. Because if there's a mod, hell yeah, I'll give a total load of that up. You can get away with Qing Zhang Chong, trust me. For now, I don't know how much longer they'll... get away from living on. It's the window. There will be blood. Is it a Western? If not, what genre and score? Um... Hmm... Oftentimes, when I struggle to think of what film falls into, a thriller ends up turning up, like, hey, I can probably take the film, and I'm like, yeah, I guess you could. This thriller can... account for a lot of movies. There will be blood. I don't know. Is anyone able to check Wikipedia and see what there will be blood as categorized as genre-wise? I can't at the moment. I can. There will be blood. Let's see, film... Drama slash epic. Huh, okay. Ragby, the first full-contact werewolf game. There you go, Rags. Ragby, first full-contact werewolf game? Let's fucking do it. I can't wait for the 1v14 mode. I love a good challenge. There's a win condition or victory condition, but, I mean, a lost condition, but either way, you feel you win, right, Rags? Yeah, I think so. Behind in the stream, listening to the sports talk, so does any game that can be played against another person counters a sport? Sounds like it does. Seems that way, based on all of these definitions. Well, yeah, like... Well, I mean, if they include chess, yeah, that's basically anything now. And I'm not exactly... I don't really like that, because then that really, like, what is the purpose of the definition, if now it can be anything that's so loosely defined? It's anything that's competitive that takes skill. Well, it's just that it doesn't take skill. Is there something competitive that does not have an element of skill? Okay, so then sport is just competition, then. No, I was just... Is monopoly a sport? Yeah. Is monopoly a sport? No, that's what I'm saying is, well, maybe there's a skill. But you have luck more to define how you win. Well, so we're in a scenario that I was referencing before, where bullets have to be bitten on one end or the other. Would you rather it be that it almost opens up to include the shit tons of things, or would you rather be in the position where you are almost arbitrarily drawing a line and you're excluding gatekeeping, if you will, certain things when other things are allowed through, based on what exactly... Like, why is darts okay, but chess isn't? Yeah, I'm fine with opening the umbrella really wide. I do think it's useful to have like a traditional sports as the ones that generally come to mind, and the other ones are just also sports. They're just not the traditional sports. Yeah, I don't know. I think a good classification-limiting thing is a sport is a contest between two people that involves some type of physical application of... Two or more, right? Two or more than two or more. Yeah, two or more, yeah. It involves some type of physical application of the body. I don't even know if I'd agree with that. I wouldn't agree with two or more. I think you could do a sport by yourself if it's like time trials or if you're competing for time. Even that, but for me, you're essentially out competing against other people, other people's time scores then. But I would say, yeah, that it needs a component of some type of physicality. Even video games includes that type of physicality. That requires mastering some type of aspect of your own body to be able to do it, which would allow darts or would allow e-sports. But it wouldn't really allow chess because chess doesn't have that physical component. It's a mind game. You're not really doing anything special to execute the movement of the pieces to be able to play the game better. And so that's why my own natural kind of understanding of sports in that regard, I would be reluctant to include chess. So I wouldn't need real games for this. I would just be like, I'm assuming you'd say darts passes, but chess doesn't, right? Yeah, darts would be a sport. I would start inventing games where it's like chess, but I'll just move it an inch toward darts where like moving the pieces is... What about if you play chess and you have to run back to the back wall and back again like... Yeah, yeah, I would, if it involves type of physicality. That's too easy, okay. You got it, that's why I gotta do it with inches. So... The pieces... The pieces get a little like really heavy now. Now what? That's right, Mahler. Embrace Imperial. So I would say pieces, if they're really heavy and it requires an actual element of strength to move them, would only be able to be classified as what I'm kind of considering a sport if the difficulty of moving was incorporated into the victory condition of the game. So if there was a time condition, that you needed to move the pieces in X amount of time, even if they were really, really heavy, that required building up physical strength to be able to move them in the right amount of time, then perhaps, yeah, like you could consider it to be a type of sport in the definition that I'm kind of having in my head at the moment. But chess, as it currently stands, probably not. So there would be no way for Stephen Hawking to play a sport? Probably not. I'm not even sure what I would assume about that. I'm just trying to think... You would consider car racing and stuff, some of those... Well, yeah, that's a sport. It requires a physical component of coordination that affects the reaction. What if he was driving it with instructions from his pad? What? He still has to convey those instructions to the movement of the car through the manipulation of his own body. What if he controls a car with a key? No, no. The success of the driving of the car is wholly reliant on how well he's able to train and move his body to achieve victory. What if he can control the car with the keyboard? So he's totally stationary in the car, but he can control it with the keyboard? Yeah, same, same. It still requires a physical component. You can play chess with using your body. You can just voice the move and get someone to move it for you. Yeah, what if... Because there's no physical component. What if he does that with the car? The keyboard, yeah. Yeah, with the car, you voice it or something. The speed in which you're voicing the movements would be crucial in being able to drive the car properly. And I think you did mention this earlier, but so chess, not a sport. Timed chess is a sport. Most chess is timed. If the physical aspect of it is wholly reliant, so the wind condition is wholly reliant on the execution of the physical aspect done in competence and you can more easily win by getting better at the physical component that requires training of your body, then yeah, I would consider a sport. What about the training aspect? If you take chess and something like that, chess, if you want to get really good at it and you practice and practice and practice, sure, it's very largely mental. That's still strenuous. That still takes a lot of effort and there's some training willpower in order... Yeah, so to train for chess can be very strenuous. Yeah, but not just like a baseball. That's mentally strenuous. Not strenuous on physical bodies. We don't care about... Yeah, these are not things that exist to some magical ether outside of the body. But in general terms, a sport is not a wholly mental exercise. A sport is usually defined by a combination because of course there's a mental component to many sports, but there's always a component in just a general understanding of what is a sport is just my understanding as I kind of follow through with how people use it in language is that there's always a component of the physical body being used or reliant on a win-can-try sport. But the brain is part of you. That's part of your body. Yeah, you know what I mean when I say... You know what I mean when I say physical body, though, don't you? Well, I mean, but the problem is... Manipulation of your... Yeah, the manipulation of your limbs and appendages and stuff. I am manipulating my limbs if I'm moving the pieces. And if the logic is, well, you can do chess. The win condition of chess is not reliance on you successfully doing it in a certain amount of time versus... If we're playing chess in a certain amount of time... No, no, you can play chess. Hang on, hang on. You can play chess without even touching the pieces. You can just move it and get someone else to play. You can eventually play NASCAR without even being in the car. You just connect your brain to a computer or something and then drive the car. Yeah, and I've already addressed... Yeah, I've already addressed how it would apply it if I was talking about NASCAR and a voice. So does that mean that chess, if you play chess physically and there's a time limit, then it's a sport. But if you play it on a computer with voice commands, then it's not a sport. It depends on how the time component is incorporated into the win condition. Let's move away from the time one. It's just if it exists in a physical plane versus a digital one, is that the distinction? Like, if we say you have to play chess with hands and move them with your hands, then that makes it a sport. But if not, a win condition of the game would need to be reliant on the physical component. Well, it is. It's reliant on me moving the pieces with my hands. No, it's not because you can actually get someone to move the pieces for you. No, in this, you have to use your hands, your hands. Why? When? Because that's the rule to this particular one I'm telling you. These are the rules I'm telling you in this hypothetical. I'm not saying it's impossible to create a version of chess that could be considered a sport under the conditions that I'm talking about. That's not impossible. I'm just talking about regular chess under the conditions I'm, you know, have in my head. I'm asking you in this, but I'm asking you in this particular one, you have to move the pieces. Yeah, but why is that relevant? If you're creating an exceptional circumstance that doesn't just prove. Well, no, if the if the game of chess, well, you have to move your hands to move the pieces around counts as a sport, then it feels like whatever line that we're drawing here is incredibly arbitrary. No, especially if I like it. If I will, I would say what condition did I say that would require for it to be considered a sport? The physical component, sorry, the wind condition of the game would need to be reliant on the physical component somehow. Yeah, so I'm asking you in this hypothetical where you have to move your hands. Does that count as a sport? Like the wind condition is the wind condition reliant on how well you move your hands? Yes, you. Why? Yeah, you have to put it into the right place. Yeah, you have to use your hand-eye coordination to put it into the correct box or else it might be an illegal move or it might be a move that loses you the game. Yeah, but in fact, it's ultimately like the most important thing or faster if you execute it so or a faster, does that affect anything in the game at all? Yeah, if you've got time limit or something, if you move the pieces to slow, even if you even if you didn't have a time limit, you still have to do it. But I think most of the chess games at the top level do the time stuff. Right. Yeah, definitely. We're competitive chess. They absolutely do time limits. Then maybe. And plus there are not as if you take traditional sports, it's not like under this condition, it's absolutely not impossible to create a version of chess that has a physical component that therefore could, you know, qualify for it being a sport under the conditions that I have them hit. If I can, I'm curious about testing the whole because like I think it's fair and almost normal to be like mental versus physical. Everyone understands the line, but I'm curious. So if we had like it was a timed match of math questions between two people and it's a matter of having to get as many right in a row as possible against each other going head to head with similar questions. And so all it is is they think and answer, think and answer. And then they get points at the end. Would you consider that a sport? No, I wouldn't. And if it were done just under the general more common understanding of sport, I would say no. This is the thing I'm I'm interested in the conversation. I'm just not invested at all in the umbrella term. Oh, me neither. Like because like I said, there's there's a standard definition that includes chess as a sport already that I have no power to really fight against. I'm just saying doesn't really make sense to the more common kind of interpretation of what a sport is as I've generally interacted with in regards to the use of language. That example I gave you, though, so you disqualify it because there's no physical element. Correct. What about just the it would just be a game. It wouldn't be a sport. Interesting. So like I'm not saying a lot of sports are games, but I'm not saying they're this is probably why it feels that all games must be sports. It feels a little bit arbitrary. Sometimes it's because if I said, OK, but I'm also going to make a requirement you have to keep running on the spot to remain in the game. Yeah, that would make it a sport. Right. And whoever falls down first. It loses the suddenly the wing condition is only relying on a physical element. And I would say under the normal common definition, that would then I do have a sort of appeal in my own brain of like the spirit of sport as a concept. I think I'm not too concerned with the physical as it's I'm not ready to do this kind of it's more of an exertion, but that's kind of what I'm going to that one way. I could see two big, nerdy people going head to head racing to answer the math questions and they're getting harder and harder and harder. Like in some ones like it's not a sport because it's not physical enough. I'd be like, I don't know. Yeah, like if if you were to say, all right, you could choose between one of two things, you could learn advanced calculus or you could run around this football field three times. I think a lot of people are running around that football field three times. I think that mental exertion and the the willingness to train in that mental way is incredibly difficult to be fair. I don't think Shaz in any way denigrating that. It's just a matter of wanting to categorize them. Yeah, I like I like having both together. Some sports are just not there to have a much smaller physical component than others. You know, when I say physical component, I kind of envisioned the use of the arms and limbs as the requirement. What about the head and neck? And I don't mind literally like bobbing head back and forth. Yeah, like that's that's a limb, you know, head is a limb. And so if the sport required you head butting something and only head butting is like, yeah, like the use of the body, you know. When that's the physical component, when these people, you know, usually refer to when you talk about physical movement and stuff, you're not really referring to mental exertion. Well, I would say that mental the mental game of sports is incredibly important. Yeah, yeah, but they're not inherently tied. Of course, there's in many sports is a very I guess inherently, but that doesn't mean that anything that has a mental component therefore would qualify as a sport. I guess it's just that when I think about competitive and physical, competitive feels like the most important element of sport, more so than the physical part, because the degree to which any sport requires you to be. So is it no sport would make you do that with your head? That's just dangerous. Yes, because no sports are dangerous. That's just no sports. They would never do that. Like driving around doesn't have head butting soccer balls. I'm just I'm floored by the logic. Like, why would they invent a sport that could be dangerous? Like what insane? Yeah, we we're not just being awake as a mental strain. That doesn't mean anything. What if there was a sport that would stay awake for the longest amount of time, which would be an incredible sport? Yeah, we engage in that sport once per year. I mean, because it almost sounds like a meme, who could not? All you have to do is not fall asleep. Like it sounds like a meme, but that's actually a great mental strain and physical strain to to keep yourself away, especially if you have to perform tasks over and over. If you fail the task, you lose too. In school, it was to be like, who can hold out? Who can hold a piece of paper the longest? And it sounded absurd, but it was like you hold your arm out with a piece of paper. How long can you hold it for? To me, it feels like you're almost defining a sport to be any type of contest. And then if that's the case, what's the even point of having a definition of sport? You could just call it a contest. I think, you know, it's useful to have a strict enough definition to justify the existence of the definition. If we brought it in out too much, then there's no point in having it. Yeah, well, I would say that we wait. So that's the bullet we've got to buy. But the bullet you have to buy is generating a pretty arbitrary line. I'm happy to buy the bullet at the moment. I've been, you know, answering arbitrary questions that you guys have brought up. That's not a. Well, so I would happily buy the bullet if we have arbitrary words. I haven't been arbitrarily changing my standard based on the different scenarios you guys have been putting forward. I've been applying it consistently to the same standard that I have. So I haven't been arbitrary. Oh, yeah. So that's not what you could be arbitrary. The idea would be why is that physical exertion is like the fundamental. Yeah, I meant the fundamental parameter for the definition that you have is physical exertion. Like competitive isn't the super important part in this definition, at least in terms of drawing the divide between like chess and my point was more not that your flip flop in chat is the say there's a thousand sports. You've placed the line at twenty six to twenty seven when I'm like, why isn't it at twenty two to twenty three? Why isn't it at thirty six to thirty seven? So as to why is the clear, like the most yeah, the physical component? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I remember I was like changing the weights of the pieces of chess as soon as it gets to a point where you think they're heavy enough that it is a physical strain and thus difficult for players to be able to do. And also, you know, like that, actually, not even not even that. It's that as soon as the execution of the physical component becomes essential to the wind condition of the game. That's when it would become technically every chess game. And so that's good condition, but the pieces are easy to move. Not necessarily. You cannot win a chess game if you can't move the pieces. Yeah, yeah, but it doesn't matter how fast you move them or if you execute them well, of course, so you just move it within the time limit. My example is I'm making them so heavy you might not even be able to move them. That's how heavy I'm making them my hypothetical. And so yeah, and so it's going to be a point where you're like, OK, this is the point where, yeah. So suddenly how you move those pieces becomes wholly important because you're limited in your capacity to move them based on the time limit you have, which then creates a what becomes reliant on that physical aspect of the game suddenly where previously when they were light and it didn't matter, like it doesn't matter how you move them or how you get there. As long as you just move the pieces in the time limit, as long as you can't move them or execution of that physical thing doesn't matter. Well, there here's the thing. There are I don't think the time limit is a good one to use because a lot of mainstream sports, especially when they were developing, there were no time limits for anything. Like you could literally just sit around doing nothing and that was not against the rules. There was no time limit for anything. So at any point, someone could just decide to sit their ass down and not do anything. And there is there is no time limit. They had no, you know, imperative to move rule wise. But I wouldn't say that that didn't make those things sports. Well, there are a lot of games that have technically unlimited hang on that I've ever used time limit as the condition to qualify or disqualify something as a sport. I said, I think a sport is something that requires the execution or you said physical you brought up. Yeah, you brought up if there was a time limit, the wind condition. No, no, no, the wind condition is reliant on a physical component. And so the only reason why suddenly the physical component becomes important in the wind condition in chess, if you have a time limit is because if the piece is so heavy that you can't move the pieces when they're given time limit. Therefore, that's the restriction. And it's the physical component becomes essential in the wind condition. And so it's actually still the physical component. But the only thing that's made the physical component important is the fact that there is a time limit limiting you to be able to move that piece in the given time. And so to be able to execute the move within the given time, you need to be able to do it with a certain level of physical capacity to be able to achieve it. And so it's the physical component that would create it or turn it into a sport in that sense. It seems like another thing doesn't even matter. No, it does. Honestly, that's what I was trying to prove. I'm not sure if you've got what I was saying. So with the chess pieces, when I make them really heavy, right? I'm not involving a time limit. I'm just making them heavy. And so you're picking up a pawn and you're like and you move it to the next space to the point now that it's actually you're not even sure you'll be able to win even if you're the better chess player because you're not sure you have the strength and I guess endurance to be able to move them all to win. See, then now then that simply becomes an endurance game. And because the wind condition is wholly reliant on how much you can maintain the endurance to move the pieces. Absolutely, that would be a sport. Well, yeah, so what if one player wins? I'm almost there. So yeah. So what I was trying to say with that was how heavy do I have to make them for you to now decide it is now a sport? Yeah, really good question. Usually people will determine that based on averages, average human strength levels, minimum requirement for it to be difficult. I wouldn't really care, honestly, but they would have to obviously be a beginning point to make it, you know, sufficient enough for it to have a point. I have expanded my that is it for my dialogue tree. Wonderful. Yeah. Fun debate. But I don't know if Rags and Fringes you have anything else? I don't know. No, I will just respond to someone. Someone in the chat. Yeah, someone in chat asked Chad, what about golf? And I'm like, of course, how would golf not be a sport under the definition of being using? Yeah, I would say I would expect you to call that. Yeah, of course, I would count. Of course, behind. Oh, hey, Chad. Oh, no, wait, that was the one I read already. Gosh, look, it's coming up to 11. No, we're on 11 hours. OK, I have an excuse. I want a sunken living room, tripping hazards be damned. A sunken living room. Is that where the living room is on a level compared to the other four level of the house and you have to step down into the living room? Yeah, probably sunken floor. Oh, OK. Chad, will you do a review of Dracula's Castle from Castlevania the series? Probably not. I've watched the first two seasons of Castlevania. I really enjoyed him. I started the third season and it starts to get pretty flat. But I really enjoyed Castlevania. I'm not sure the castle is worthy of a review because it's fantasy, it's defying laws of gravity. It looks interesting in the way that they wanted to for it to interesting. Doesn't really need to be reviewed for defense because that wasn't made for defense and it can teleport. It's a cool fantasy castle for what they wanted. I wouldn't say it's the best design in just terms of aesthetics because it's a bit too chaotic for my tastes. But that's what they wanted to do. Do you have different requirements compared to a normal castle with a vampire castle? Do you consider sun exposure and everything? Not necessarily. I mean, I certainly have different standards based on what context the castle is supposed to appear in if it's fantasy, if it's meant for defense, if certain levels of logic, for instance. I have criticisms of Helm's Deep based on the fact that it's made to be an impregnable fortress based on the dialogue of the movie, which actually contradicts the description of Helm's Deep in the books. Helm's Deep in the book is described as not very effective fortress. There was just made out of necessity, but in the movies it's described as an impenetrable grand fortress. God, I'm sorry. And there are weaknesses and issues with its design. Great, did you see that? I didn't have it pulled up. Just roll it back. Holy fuck, I have never seen that happen in this game before. Oh, my. What happened? Well, you totally broke the game. I don't think you're even able to. You're supposed to be able to move from that part of the map to this part like that. I don't think you are. And look at the shadow. Did you see how the shadow just remained like a flat plane against the car, no matter how it was moving? You may not have noticed that. The way they do it in this game, I'm pretty sure, is your cars are magnetized to the floor. And so that's why whenever they start to tip one way or the other, they get really fucking janky because they're not supposed to. It's like the magnet is only on the bottom of it. But sorry, sorry, Shadow, didn't mean to interrupt you. That was just insane. No worries. So yeah, like I was saying, it depends on the context and appearance of the castle, which would then create what level, what standard I'm holding it against. And that's an example of why I hold homes deep to a higher standard because of what I was meant to fulfill. In the film, compared to having less of an issue with Castlevania. Is there room in the no longering films? Because I have to go off memory of saying that the characters claiming it's impregnable are doing it for morale. No, because the one who says it is Wormtail and his saying to Saruman and is trying to give Saruman every advantage of knowing how to break into it. And so he says it's impregnable. How can he say it's impregnable, but also it has a weakness? A good question. Well, I think it's, I think it's not. Could it be his understanding, right? Like, could we argue that it's to general battlefield tactics and siege abilities? I just mean very well built castle according to his understanding. So to maybe to Wormtongue. And this is me just speculating. I'm just having a bit of fun. Maybe Wormtongue actually is, it does believe his fuck all about castles that it is impregnable, but he is aware of a weakness. And that doesn't seem like a contradiction to him. He just describes it that way. Yeah, if you believe it's, yeah, if you believe it to be impregnable, any report is such that seems like what you do. There are some really odd designs with, you know, Helm's Deep that have this raid door really high off the ground with a ramp that you has to get off the ground all the way up to even reach it. And so it has been almost designed to have a drawbridge, yet they don't have a drawbridge and the ramp just goes straight up to the front door, which is just like a bizarrely massive floor in its design is like, what are you doing? You show you, have you got any like video breaking down Helm's Deep as a castle? Yeah, yeah, it's the video where I look at a castles from the Lord of the Rings and I do like a couple in one. I do Helm's Deep, I do Helm's Deep. It's an old E, but a good E. You're going to remaster it. You know, I might need to. A dedicated one just on Helm's Deep itself. Is Ministerus past the castle task better? It's pretty good. I mean, the multiple layers of defense gives it some really good aspects. The fact that it has pre-built pockets for its own defensive tribuches to take out, attacking siege equipment, that's a really cool feature. It's missing a good solid moat or river surrounding it. There's just flat planes in front of the walls which is like a oof, you could at least make a barricade or something or spikes or any number of things, but you just got a free flat walk right up to the edge of the wall is a bit of a fail. One thing that's always bugged me about Minas Tirith in particular, what do those people eat? Yeah, there's where are the farmland? Like in the books, there's supposed to be like farmland all surrounding it and then there's this giant crazy wall that surrounds the farmland even further out. You can find it's always bugging how that Pelinor fields is just like nothing. No, this is just kind of nothing. I was always like, that's weird how it's so barren. Hmm, yep, same other pet peeve about that as well. Fringy, you never talk about your family, how come? He hates them. He tells us all the time, he says he wishes, he might do the job himself one day, but he wishes they'd just explode. Guys, we weren't supposed to say that on TV. Shang-Chi, he wants Shang-Chi to take his rings and make him eat the rings and then spin them around and then they spit out Oreos or SpaghettiOs. Is that like an Australian thing? Just any circular shaped food, it's a Chef Boyardee delicacy. Yeah, but they eat the, but they just throw up circular shaped food, pies, pancakes, pizzas, SpaghettiOs, Oreos. That's probably all the circular shaped foods that there are, so I'll stop there. I'm sure you could have named more circular foods if you wanted to. I don't think there are any more. I was gonna say you named the one with me. I think that's it, I think that's it. I think that's all the ones there are. The other ones are imperfect. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to do a perfectly circular, that's really tough. And all pizzas are perfectly circular, except for the pizzas that are squares or... Well, that's how you can tell a real Italian pizza. A real Italian pizza is perfect. Yeah, no, perfectly circular. Absolutely perfectly, yeah. Yeah, that's how you get to be a... That's the final stage of becoming a pizza master. I was gonna say, sounds like... As you graduate, yeah. Shad, you're like a medieval, guys you might not know about this stuff, but basically, you know, when they need perfect circles in engineering, they use pizzas for it, because they're all perfect circles, yeah. Yeah, in order to build some of these structures. Yeah, that's what the Romans would use back in the days. They would use pizzas, because it's an old Roman thing, in fact. Because before they made pizzas in ovens and shit, they used to grow montries and stuff and pluck them out of the ground. Perfect circles, again. Because nature is quite interesting in that way. Gosh, you guys are a wealth of knowledge. I love it. Yeah, we get that all the time. All the top comments constantly saying, like, oh, we never heard about this, like, yeah, well. Yeah, in fact, that's where the word comes. The Latin word for circle was pizzas, and so that's where we get the word, because they're perfectly circle. So the Italians, after time, the word pizza came from, yeah. In fairness, they have tried to culturally appropriate a lot of it, and I do think that's unacceptable, but pushing back on that is important, and that is what this podcast is about. Absolutely. Everything that I said was absolutely accurate and 100% true, and you can verify it yourself on the internet. Don't just take my word for it. Do the research yourself. Mm-hmm. Chad, how do you feel about the Kiwi accent? Oh, I'm not actually a fan, in all honesty. I found it a bit, like, you know, I'm not a, sorry Kiwis, but the accent, honestly, I find it a little grating. I don't like it. I really like it at all. Give us an example of it. I also don't like the Australian accent either, so. Oh, I just didn't like you. I do like the Australian accent. I think it has a charm. I mean, the New Zealand accent is pretty similar. I think it's just the way that they pronounce phish. Like, that's just- Fish? Fish? Phosh. Phosh. You know, it's tough. Think of Phorg saying phosh. It's kind of like you're saying A and I at the same time. Phosh, like it's... Fish doesn't sound like a word anymore. Phosh? Yeah. Phosh. Phosh. Yeah. Phosh. And chops. So, again. Fish and chops. You know, we have the I as in us. Fish and chops. Chops. No, fish and chops. Fish and chops. Little chips, little fish. Bit of a dish. Bit of a dish. Bit of a dish. Get actual justice warrior on, also high rags. Hello. Perhaps in the future. Well, so you can tell my, my brain's degraded because I'm just crashing over and over and over again. I don't even know if I have a mission that's... Well, isn't that how it works, right? If you've been awake for a long time, it's kind of like you're becoming drunk. In effect, the brain just doesn't function. It's, it's some, it's, it can be totally worse to drive drowsy than it is to drive drunk. That's not an official leaf app endorsement to drive drunk, by the way. Just so we're clear. It's a condemnation of both. Don't drive. Take a break. Don't drive. Don't drive. All right, right. I was gonna have a hard one. Take the airplane to work and then fly back every day. Oh, go back home. Make sure you get, yeah. Make sure you get a job someplace far away and close to an airport to make it work. Or you can do that thing where you, you like put one leg and you kind of move it a little bit forward away from your body. Like a bicycle? And then you put it down on the ground. Well, I've heard of that. Like a one. Yeah, it's this new mode of travel where like you move your one foot, you put it down on the ground and once that foot is firmly planted on the ground, you lift up your other foot and move it further ahead and then plant it on the ground. And you repeat this process. Wait, won't your, wait, where your leg's not, like won't they get too far apart? Well, see what you've got to do, Rags, is you have to use your judgment to figure out just how far you want to put your leg. Oh, the last time I was told to use my judgment. Oh, no. Dude, this is so complex. That sounds like a very high. It's really tough. It takes years to learn how to do this. It does take years to learn. Is this a sport? I mean, I would consider it to be a sport. Then fuck that. I don't want to be doing a sport to get to there. Yeah, it depends, right? If you, well, in a certain sense, you could say that in this crazy capitalist economy, everybody's competing to get to work as quickly as possible by walking. Yeah. And yeah, like there's win and lose states. Like if you don't get to work on time, you get fired. But if you make it to work on time, you get money as a reward, your job. That's right to win. But there could be many, many winners. That's that that's right. There are there's more than one winner winning. Winning. It's just as long as you try, you basically, you know, then then you you'll be OK in this sport. Now, I don't think it's bad at all. I mean, it does sound kind of fatty. Jobs are a fan. It's a walking thing. I'm I'm falling rags of eyes. I'm taking the plane to work. That's that's a good idea. We'll get the jobs are like a fad in that. Oh, it's just a fact. It'll die out any moment. I'm not going to get one of those jobs any day now. I get you're telling me I get paid to do my work instead of working for the Lord in exchange for protection and a place to live. I'll do you one better. You can get you can get paid for just sitting on your ass at home. You even have to go to one of those jobs. Fuck that. Well, it's it's like it's like Ned said, you know, taxes pay for everything. Sunshine, I can't remember the other thing and people who just don't feel like working. God bless them. People who just don't feel like work. God bless them. The fact that's such a fun like meme, just these they get his taxes done on the first day and everybody else is in line on the very last day that they can get him in. Why did you wait so long to pay your taxes? Because I'm an idiot. You happy? Because I'm an idiot. Of course, not everybody is an idiot. Some of us sets off our receipts to our accountants months ago. Oh, does anybody have a calculator? Like Herman Gold, I don't know why. That would be pretty nerve wracking if you saw your account screaming for a calculator on the night that you have to get your taxes loaded. I'm very excited to hear how rags opinion on Chun-Li. What? Chun-Li. Isn't that like a Street Fighter character? I believe so. Yeah, she's got the Chungus thighs. Yeah, she got the big blue shoulders, right? Yes, the big, big shoulders. Yeah, OK, I had to draw her one for a movie. Oh, that's cute. What are you saying? Yeah, it's a drawer for Chun-Li for what? Yeah, for for a garlic phone once. Remember, I think Chun-Li was one of the ones I had to draw. I couldn't remember much. I see her every once in a while in art. And so I was like, she has the big blue, like, like shoulders. And I think she has black hair, sort of crops a bit, I think. But I can't quite remember. Hers is tied in two buns. OK, OK. Oh, that's what I need to remember. The double circles, two black circles for like the Mickey Mouse hair. And then we have two blue circles for the shoulders. And then she has like some white going on around the midsection, like a belt. And then she has thunder thighs. Titanic anus. We're only like a half hour from the cap anyway. But I would definitely not be able to finish these before we hit that cap. So, of course. Also, I'm pretty dead. Thanks. I was going to say, I'm pretty dead as well. So I think we'll probably call it there. All right, that's pretty enough. I was good to keep going. I'm still in like lockdown quarantine for some of us. Hey, look, if you've been white for as long as I'm in Chad, you know, you probably only got like another four hours in you before you go to sleep at the light, light time of 30 at night. I did wake up like exactly 15 minutes before we started. So did I. Because I'm actually benefiting from jet lag still, because so I crashed really early. And then, you know, I woke up early feeling fine. So fantastic. You know, yeah, as people saying, Shad won the eFab sport. You outclassed me. And then again, have you have you beaten me in Rags's record of was it 31 hours? I always forget. Some like no, I haven't beaten that. It was something horrible. Yeah, but yeah, it's what a what a fun stream. We managed to tear apart a beloved MCU property. I feel like I'm a Shang Chi expert. Yeah. And and we also managed to have some fun talking about all kinds of things, also some sit and run. Oh, just the amount of things you can get done in the small time of 11 hours. You never would have thought. Um, thank you to to Shad and Drinker. You wonderful, wonderful guests, as well as a chat for keeping us keeping this company, this whole thing. Absolute pleasure and joy, fellas. What's the fun? Thank you so much for the kind messages and donations and well, just just chat with us. So so I guess is there anything you guys want to say before we head off? Um, yeah, I'm I've paused a lot of work because I'm getting some new assets and stuff. And this should be really, really nice stuff that will help me speed up production in the future. That's finally getting around to be worked on. So I'm kind of holding off on a couple things like the dog bite stuff until I can be like the main image for that. And I'll be using a lot in videos as well. So don't worry, there's just a bit of a pause on some things. And I think the payoff will be worth it. Some good stuff to see. It's some nifty things I have to learn as well. What about you, Fringy? Um, I'm just working on a Chungus video right now. I can't give you a time for when it will be done, but hopefully when it is a wrinkle in time, an unbridled praise. Oh, why did I told you that in confidence? Why would you? But but I mean, I mean, I meant an unbridled malaise. That's what I that's what he meant to say. That's that's OK, though, unbridled myself. I'm I'm going to keep myself distracted from that by working on my comic as well, which you can read on Twitter and my website. Well, I looked up just to be sure I looked up malaise. That word perfectly describes a wrinkle in time. It is a general feeling of discomfort, illness or uneasiness whose exact cause is difficult to identify. Malaise is the perfect word to describe that film. It's amazing. Yeah, it's pretty pretty much exactly the right word. And people are telling me the new Gotham High is out. It is out. Oh my God. Yeah, fuck y'all. We're into the streams. We can watch Gotham High. Go to Jay Longbun's channel and watch Gotham High part four now. It is four. She's she's so excited me. I got to get TFA for a catch up to a Gotham High versus TFA. Oh my God, it's forty one minutes. Forty one minutes of glory. Oh, what an adventure. All right. Showing up, everybody. Yeah, everybody. Second, we go offline. You jump over to that channel and watch that video. OK, that's the correct thing to do is the objectively moral thing to do. Thank you so much. We'll see you on Wednesday for a potentially another 10 hour stream. Um, woohoo, yeah. Ligs in description for guests as well as the cast channel. And I guess, yeah, that's that. Goodbye, everybody. Good night. I guess. Bye bye, everyone.