 I think it helps, I mean I think everyone's different, some people may be capable of going straight in and being a top coach straight away you know that's fantastic but I certainly felt as though that's the way I wanted to do it, I wanted to almost learn and be an apprentice again and learn the ropes properly and so when I do get an opportunity I'm at least able or I feel confident enough to do it so I remember taking my first under 14 session it was like a Tuesday night down at Moor Farm you know I planned my session all day you know I'd literally I've got you know 16 players I've got 10 balls I've got all this equipment and I turned the park I remember and it was really windy really windy and I had hardly any equipment I'd like three balls or something because someone had lost some balls in the games at the weekend and I turned about three balls so literally I'm you know I saw it so I got my first really good lesson of you always have to plan for the unexpected you always got a plan for what happens if your session goes wrong so I did a lot in the early days I'd start to look at okay what could go wrong with this session I think that was a key aspect of being able to react to things that happen within this because you got to be flexible having you know session goes exactly how you write it down on paper so that gave me an opportunity to do that and also the enthusiasm of those players I mean I'd take you under 10 sometimes I take you under 11s 12s and some of those were the most enjoyable sessions I've ever had you know because of course later on you start getting a few cynical first team players it's those 11 year olds just want to hang on every word and just love the game and it was quite nice to have both aspects really