 Yeah, good morning. Welcome to the 10 a.m. Session of the June 6 2018 special meeting of the city council I'd now like to ask the clerk to please call the roll. Thank you mayor councilmembers. Crone is currently absent Matthews here chase Brown is absent norion here vice mayor Watkins here and Mayor Trousers here the sole purpose for today's meeting is to hear the fiscal year 2019 Proposed budget our finance director Marcus Pimentel will be providing the presentation today followed by questions from the council We'll then break for lunch returning at approximately 1 15 p.m Members of the public will then have the chance to address the council with comments related to the budget After public comment council will discuss and provide direction to staff. I Asked that we hold all questions until the end of the staff's presentation There will be time to ask questions after the budget overview and again after the city comparison at the end of each Presentation or after public comments a council member may verbally request to add a topic for the 2 30 p.m. Discussion and Direction period Council direction will start at 2 30 Does the city manager have anything to add at this time? Yeah, I have a just a brief presentation that I'll start off with Okay, I Think at the beginning what I wanted to say I'll turn it over to you And I guess do you have the slide up Marcus for that first one we talked about the first one before that? Oh, yeah, and then did we have it move it up a little there was one Okay, there we go. Sorry. I just was gonna do this very quickly and say that you know We the council might recall we developed a council ad hoc budget committee that includes vice mayor Watkins council member Brown and myself council member Brown will be joining us at noon after prior prior scheduled meeting with the Monterey Bay Community powers group What we did was three part review of our budget through the ad hoc committee And I want to thank the entire fiscal staff for really their amazing support and helping us through this process we engaged an outside third-party review of Comparison with budgets with other cities we also assembled with the support of the council a group of community members to look at our budget from a variety of perspectives from nonprofits the economic community and interested neighborhood groups, and then we had a public meeting that took place on May 31st at the police community room to provide again another level of review of our budget Leading up to this meeting. I thought the Community focus groups have been very helpful in terms of bringing forward questions that they had regarding the budget and those Comments have been woven into today's presentation So we really have the feedback from the community as part of our presentation so that we can make sure that we are conscious of those comments and and can respond to questions as they arise during during the presentation today the budget redesign Included is included in the packet and it really I felt summarized a lot of the changes that are going to be presented today So I want to again Thank the ad hoc budget committee for all the work that took place in regards to kind of shaping this review And then also the fiscal staff for the presentation so at this point I'd like to turn it over to city manager Martin Bernal. Okay, so I just have a thank you just a brief introduction here Marcus if you can and there's copies of the slides on So just a brief overview of The budget so we're pleased to provide the proposed budget before you today And just won't kind of want to highlight some of the major issues as you know, you know, we are projecting Deficits in the coming fiscal years much like virtually every major community in the state of California And it's important obviously to plan our budgeting to address that and Marcus will get into more of this detail and you've heard this multiple times, but the reasons largely are Beyond the control of the city So we've done our piece to try to manage our finance as well and I've done a good job but in large part where you are responding to Factors beyond our control at the state and national level and economic levels the I can do it Marcus There also it's important to highlight that there's really more threats on the way as well For example, there's an effort to repeal SB 1. There's an effort to create new a new proposition that would limit our authority to Ask the voters to increase revenues or taxes for example, we could invalidate our Measure s which passed but although now it passed by over two-thirds. So that's a good sign I mean, maybe you might be helpful in that regard But there are threats out there also that can erode our ability to manage our finances as well And it's important to keep that in mind And as I mentioned earlier we have been a model of fiscal responsibility And So therefore we have to be prudent and we have to have a plan and we do have a plan to get us through these years of fiscal uncertainty and you've heard it and Marcus will go through it in a bit more detail in a few minutes But you know in general it relies on really just being transparent and being progressive about what we do and looking ahead By being transparent I mean that we're open about the reasons for it that we're open about and share the data and the information that we rely on and the assumptions that we use and we have Forecast that makes sense that are credible and believable And again that we are then progress progressive and proactive about what we do to address that deficit. So those are important factors We started already We last year we eliminated 2.7 million budget this year the proposed deficit, I'm sorry and this year the We had a projected 5.5 million Deficit in the budget and so the proposed budget that proposes to eliminate that and so our recommendation to you This year this fiscal year is that we adopt a balanced budget and address the projected deficit So that means When adding having trade-offs and and having that balanced budget We also will again be taking measures to adjust our spending and maximizing revenues We've implemented also. It's not just about managing expenditures and Getting more revenues, but it's also about having smart fiscal policies and practices That reduce our liabilities and improve cost effectiveness And there's been a number of those that have come to you and others that will be coming to you as well in terms of how we Pay down our liabilities how we refinance our debt and other practices to improve our long-term effectiveness cost effectiveness As the mayor mentioned the council also has been proactive in working on some of these issues with the budget task force and Pointed out some of the work that that task force has done We've also established a revenue committee a couple one that recommended the the sales tax measure And and we really should be thankful to the community for the success of the overwhelming success of measure as it was really pretty incredible really shows the trust I think that the community has on With the city as well as their level of support for the the value of the services the city provides It was pretty tremendous really really grateful to the community for their support of measure as There's an ongoing revenue committee who's looking at additional revenue measures as well, and there'll be recommendations before you later this month as well revenue measures As I mentioned is an important element of this and then just want to point out that the the budget before you really is Reflects years of accumulated community values and needs so what's before you is Really what the community has over for years and years decided makes Is what they want in terms of the services that are provided and and the quality of life that they want in our community And so when we put together the proposed budget every year, we tried to sustain that and retain that It also tries to respond to what is Needed and what's emerging and what are the major issues? So the budget also tries to address that to reflect the current strategic vision and goals and the work plan that you've adopted both in terms of The staff resources that work on these issues as well as the areas where we need to invest to be able to address those issues So those are really the two the key pieces of the sort of the big picture of the budget and You know finally as a reminder the city has an adopted strategic vision just to keep in mind the big picture here And those include you know environmental sustainability and will manage resources community safety and well-being economic vitality organizational health financial stability Which is kind of the focus today in large part and then reliable and forward-looking infrastructure and facilities and an engaged Informed community and then lastly to then focus on the work plan that the two-year work plan that the council has adopted It's just a reminder what those Issue areas are that you've been working diligently for the last year and I guess it's moving We're on our second year actually That includes increasing housing availability and affordability Enhancing community safety and well-being and delivering 21st century infrastructure and a lot of Progresses were made on these and you'll hear about those that obviously you've been hearing about those that council meetings You hear more about them, but I thought it'd be important to just sort of highlight those things as we move into the budget process So that concludes my introduction then I'll turn it over to Marcus to delve into the details of the proposed budget. Thank you Thank you Martin Mayor process council members. I'm pleased to present to you in the hearing today our Summary of the fiscal year 2019 proposed budget. It is a balanced budget. I'm very proud to say that and I think this The council ad hoc budget committee and staff have worked very diligently over the last Really over the last eight months to make sure we have a balanced budget presenting to you today And thank you, Mayor process as you mentioned the ad hoc committee the budget at hot committee was very useful and Instructive and powerful in directing a lot of the the successes to date in this year's budget and leading us to expanding next year's 2020 development of our budget processes to be more engaging and Make more connections and realign our documents in our presentation to be more useful to the community members who read it So I thank you for all those efforts and advice and council the council members and the ad hoc Committee members. I want to take a quick pause for a second and acknowledge a lot of staff as you mentioned in our finance department Specifically, we have three alone bears here for a second Cheryl five Tracy Cole and Jesse Soto who behind the scenes just work very diligently getting a lot a lot of content into place Not only did we have a budget season a very aggressive and challenging budget season But we employed a lot of new things Different ad hoc committees different community outreach community forums community focus group a lot of effort and intention went to that We have fire chief Jim frolly as a moderator who volunteer is time and there was a lot of logistics that came behind the scenes From driving around finding low-cost cookies to pulling together great questions content and information to be engaging and Logistics with coordinating with 28 different people about their time and availability So I really acknowledge a lot of people who stepped up with full-time day jobs To squeeze in some additional work on top of that Just to reiterate we have a Big day, but I think a well-planned day My presentation. I'll try to limit it to Leathery or before If I had to count we're up to 80 over slot 80 slides of which 70% of them you've seen So we'll go quickly through most of them. We want to spend our time with where the community focus group Directed us and said we would like this type of information. So we've got that type of information. So I'll spend more time there We break for lunch 1230. We have an in-house lunch. We back one o'clock for public comments one to two thirty years long Is, you know, if it finishes sooner great, otherwise, we have an hour and a half allocated for that And then an hour and a half allocated for council discussion and direction To go to the staff report that will finalize tonight to go out in the packets tomorrow for Tuesday's actions So we're in a compressed run-run run, but do well cycle As reiterated we asked just to let the presentations. I'm the presentations this year We have two segments one is our budget overview and two is our city comparison We'll go through each of those pause ask for questions And then in that question period if there are things any council member wants to flag to put on to the afternoon discussion I'll add that to the list so that way we can just flag it and then come back to it later Doesn't require a motion to put something on that talking list just a request I want to talk about this and we'll add that to the list Moving on into it Is part of our discussion. We are really unprecedented in times in my two decades of fiscal Involvement in this community and local government. We've never seen an economic robust economic recovery period be this painful for local governments The state has you know surpluses everywhere. We don't Their system is based on income tax and capital gains ours is based on consumer spending Consumers are spending differently now in this economy. The internet is impacting us differently in this economy the The state investment portfolio is Severely underperforming in this robust economy. We've never seen that before Generally the state investment pension investments are way up and which reduce costs and now they're down and increasing costs Which we've never seen before so a lot of unprecedented things happening way outside of our control But nonetheless, we're dealing with them as you this is an old slide. It's still relevant. Just a snapshot. We're not alone in this Where we're in the mix we're not as bad as others we've been proactive and planned ahead and we keep Continue to be proactive and continue to push forward and plan ahead for 2021 22 23 What can we do now to eliminate those gaps and maintain services when there will be other cities throughout all of California really struggling In 2021 22 and 23 so our goal is to avoid that now and Modest measures that can compound with savings to get us where we want to go Again, we've talked about this a lot And that's not negative. I mean Consumers are making choices on how they spend their money and that's great But those choices are impacting our traditional revenue flows Sales taxes is not coming to the city when you're making a lot of online purchases Consumers are buying services that are non-taxable They're shifting in what they buy so instead of Watching something through their cable package. They're watching it through YouTube now or Netflix or other places. There's no utility tax on that Better efficient vehicles reduce sales tax on gas many many things. We've already talked about Impacting utility user tax reducing our forecast impacting sales tax reducing that forecast And significant impacts and we'll talk about that later I mentioned the state investment fund just to highlight and without putting too much content In three of the last two of the last three years the state investment portfolio that generally averages 15 to 20 percent returns in an economic recovery period 0.6 and 2.4 percent returns to the last three years Incredibly underperformance The market is doing much better than that but the state investment funds are not I can't speak to the why that's another Conversation at a different time, but that's dramatic and impactful And the slide you've seen before it's 300 billion dollars Less than they probably had expected a decade ago that they'd have in their coffers right now because of their investment returns Which adds 9 to 11 million dollars now and over the next several years more To reimburse the state pension fund that the city's putting in and all cities are putting in the same appropriate levels so it's incredibly impactful and You've seen the slide before the colored bars at the bottom are the cost of the benefit the cost of the pension benefit They're going up modestly It's those blue bars that new cost that we've never seen before in a recovery period when the stock markets are doing well We've not seen increasing Costs due to underperformance and investments. That's new and they're dramatic and they're large and they're doubling our payments And that's that is it is what it is terrible saying but We've seen that before And this slide what it speaks to is our economic recovery period has been robust Through May we're almost at our ninth year of recovery We're slowly going to be the that you know, I think we'll get to that top mark with the longest recovery period ever But it won't last and it can't last forever. Nothing lasts forever So in our models, we're projecting starting hitting a slowdown by the end of 19 and really hitting us in 2021 and 22 and then in 23 we start to see recovery again So are we anticipating a slowdown that's impacting some of our growth rates and revenues? Putting pressure on costs, but recovery in 23 which speaks to our fiscal 2023 Sustainability strategy and that's that's what we're trying to get to is that fiscal bridge to get between here and there And we've been act proactively working on that for the last several years Recognition of all those efforts of council's efforts staff efforts in the last several decades as well as the last several years is National GFI rewards on our budget content double a plus bond rating that is incredibly huge and important Those are not easy to get and it's just been sustained this earlier this year that we're sustained at a double a plus That's very incredible. We've done pension reforms both at the benefit level and at the cost sharing level We've got a lot of successes in our financial planning Bringing fees up to full cost recovery setting aside reserves trust pension obligation trust We've got a plan that we'll talk about Probably next Tuesday That's included in our fiscal 2023 strategy that second bullet in the main strategies include reducing our pension debt We want to leverage our investment problem instead of buying Agency notes at 2% taking those investments and putting that against our purge liability that we're losing seven and a half percent of interest on So instead of gaining 2% we want to reduce seven and a half percent payouts So we want to leverage those investments differently to generate over two hundred fifty thousand dollars a year just for the general fund Upwards of four hundred thousand dollars in savings citywide every year and those savings will compound as part of our long-term strategy investments now that help us down the road So our upper left-hand chart is The white the total bars is a red and white that that white grade Transparent section is no longer our pain points that was eliminated with this proposed balanced budget But that that was the order of magnitude that we had the total gap And what our plan gets us to is a place where we're balanced through 2023 With possible some surpluses modest surpluses in 2022 and 23 that's dealing with an economic slowdown We think is coming that's dealing with continued erosion of our tax base That's the value in the effort of acting now for what's coming So I commend council for all those efforts Again, we've been through all that so I don't we can come back to it if you have questions You've seen slides like this before We are still below our 1990 levels of staffing If you go back all the way to 2002 in our adopted budget, we're just slightly above that 2002 adopted budget However, when you take out the 10 and then there's other positions that aren't really our Cost structure there. We've we've assumed services for fire services for ucse. We have fun five positions in police that allows for over hires if you back those out those 15 different positions We actually get to we've only increased total city white city white positions by 10 since 2002. It's quite remarkable those levels And there's a lot of footnotes and in a lot more detail We could put in there about all the different anomalies of adding more services Increasing fire staffing for the ucse contract Shifting services from parks rec over to police shifting services in this 19 budget year from parks and rec to police for rangers So that's that's been the summary of our changes. We're trying to be efficient and smart with how we deliver services But again, really incredibly modest position growth since 2002 Little chart and we're adding four net positions all enterprise fund in the 19 budget. There are no general fund Editions fte accounts in next year's budget Exceptional slide. I'll come back to it. Maybe Tuesday Forgot that was there It's been a moving quick This is this is the slide the budget highlights I was working on a different way of presenting it and I faulted tables But I learned that tables are hard to read sometimes so But we just want to cover on some of the highlights that we've talked about that are in the budget document that were in the Momo in the May 22nd city council packet Just reiterate some of the things that are changing in this budget and really it's a We've reduced the general fund by 5.4 million dollars from last year's adopted to this year's we went from 106 million down to 100 million That was a tremendous effort a big lift by city staff throughout all entire operations We had if measure s passes and now with the clear confirmation or Validation that the ballot measure looks like it's very successful We will be funding the capital investment program. The budget has it unfunded so that'll be a Part of our proposed changes. You'll see on the adoption of funding those tier two tier one projects But going through some of the changes that were identified in the memo identified in the budget document Um We are increasing community services and that's largely the shelter program the homeless shelter And we're putting in a placeholder money not necessarily to fund the phase two shelter But a placeholder to analyze and research What's coming next so uh upwards of uh, $238,000 Net is in those programs. I think for the shelter. There's a $270,000 plan for Uh for planning with the phase two We have rangers moving from parks and rec to pd. So it looks like the pd budget went up But it's just shifting resources for parks and rec to pd Library jpa. There's mandatory cost increase that we have to assume as is with the animal services authority There's a cost increase that they're proposing that the board looks poised to approve Our city attorney has increased in cost. These are the areas that are slightly going up Um the attorneys and their cost structures remain static the same But their service their demand for services their demand for time is going up So we're seeing higher costs based on demand for services Again, we're going down 5.4 million. Um, we're maintaining uh, essentially a similar allocation of how our resources go By the way, one of our comments in the community group and i'll have to rephrase it to be uh, politically appropriate Was get rid of blank blank this chart Um Because they want to know what it is we're delivering not how it's being allocated perfectly point put there Our budget document is meant to be this is how we're allocating this is our budget authority But they're looking for what's the story? What's the narrative behind it? And we'll talk a little bit about that later. So that's one of our goals of not just make it a legal document But how can we make it a useful document? But this does give you a snapshot of how we're allocating the general fund throughout throughout the city Um, measure s This was our what if measure s. So we anticipated the the budget to be agnostic to measure s whether past or not We were proposing a balanced budget Um with measure s passage that will allow us to fund general fund projects for the first time in the last several years We've had no funding going to the general fund projects for two years This will be the first year in the last two years three years Well, we'll be funding measure s examples of projects are storm grain west cliff drive revertment repairs and fire wildland engine So those were very happy to be able to move those projects forward Um, they're contained in the budget document in the capital cip plan. It's priority one project So there's a few others, but these are their headlines Um, some of the reductions that are coming forward again just summarizing we've outlined these in the memos and prior things Um, the fleet we reduced the plan fleet replacement by over half million dollars So what was scheduled to be replaced based on its metrics mileage vehicle repair cost maintenance We had to reduce that to cut our cost by about half a million dollars Um, we're proposing as that, you know On a hundred million dollar budget a small cost item, but nonetheless a big cost item in our reduction plan is Uh, eliminating some of the security city hall specific first alarm patrols. There will still be patrols around city hall for the library Um, but specific to city hall. We're going to eliminate those patrols and look for different ways to maintain the The aesthetics and safety of our all of our visitors and all of our employees leveraging rangers and some other opportunities Last several years we've put in place some new rules around city hall as well as had some additional patrols that were that were game changers in the climate of city hall So we're finding that the first alarm maybe isn't the bang for the buck by itself It's these other measures that were very meaningful. Um, but that's part of our reduction to test how well this does Um, we had planned to unfund projects. Those would be now funded Um, we we had a lot of demand especially in the place of kappa projects and existing There's a lot of new road funding And yet to do funding requires staff to to higher staff requires general fund allocations Um, so there are there are many demands requests for additional staff that we had to just go slow on right now Just to be mindful of all that all the cost pressures Um, and another headline topic is the the community core core funding reduction of 5% Across the board to be commiserate with the general funds 5% reduction that amounts to about $50,000 for the community programs This is a busy slide and I don't like busy slides But we just want to keep that for again the memo outlines these things These are just the narrative of the big of the quick summaries of the changes by department levels in the general fund About half a million dollars in police department 350,000 ish for fire department 310,000 parks and rec 334,000 public works major reductions in our in our in our major four Um operations as well as many impacts of many other departments Planning $250,000 economic development $130,000 Those could impact programs and services from arts to planning and advanced planning and project support But we're going to we're trying to be mindful of our cost structure Um while maintaining core critical services to keep projects moving other projects moving forward Um, so these are not easy cuts, but they're they're they're what's required and Resetting our cost based now holding it firm is part of our fiscal 2023 strategy that makes those compounding savings as we go out in our future years Just do a quick pause and just see if everybody's doing okay I don't want to go 20 minutes into questions, but just checking in for everybody's going okay before I go into the next Uh slide deck, which is our third party management partners comparison on city data largely based on the focus group We were talking about this earlier when we were when we were looking at the slides Hold questions until the end But if you see a slide number that you want to kind of refer back to just mark it so that you can Refer back to as part of your question All right So i'll switch over to our management partners slide deck Wrong mouse wrong mouse With with guidance and support by the city council ad hoc budget committee city contracted with management partners to provide independent level review of our city's general funds cost structure and staffing structure um a lot of the Analysis was supported by the focus groups areas of infer When they asked information like do we do we have these kind of comparisons of Staffing by departments and cost structure We said no, but not yet. It's coming and so the focus group really informed and validated a lot of these efforts I'll note that you're going to see draft everywhere meaning June 4th was monday Management partners got us a lot of this information Monday and that's amazing because they produced this turn around quite quickly and it's very good But we still have more analysis to be done There's more slides that we're working on with them There's more slides that they're they're going to be providing to us Um, so this is a work in progress, but they've expressed our Their comfort with us sharing this with you A few of these slides were presented at the budget one-on-one committee forum We found them very helpful So i'll go through it and again if you pause and we can come back to certain slides if you have questions about them essentially we looked at identifying comparable cities And doing comparisons based on revenue expenditures staffing fte And expenditures and staffing per capita. So normalizing our staffing levels so they're comparable across comparable, uh, cities Some of the headline preliminary takeaways are for revenues Our key revenues property tax sales tax transit occupancy tax in line with the peers Some anomalies, but we are in line with peers To to where we are not business license We are uh, this is the place where you want to open a business our business tax is is modest to very low by comparison However, utility users tax very high by comparison So those are two and two anomalies for us Staffing they found that across the board or major major staffing levels were in line with with comparable agencies Administrative staffing was anomaly incredibly low. That's you know, city manager hrt finance Planning staff link slightly above the mean and a lot of that is based on prior accounts of policy direction on on certain programs that to be done there There's still more research happening. There's still research within the slide to see that that is going to be happening I'll talk about here with this slide These are the seven cities that they were able to get Confirmation of data. There are 11 a universe of 11 that that we all found to be comparable cities We had seven that we were able to get consistent data from to be able to use consistently And what you'll see here is population from Berkeley 120,000 to Santa Cruz 65,000 What's not reflected in the Santa Cruz 65,000 is that we provide services well beyond our city limits That's that's abnormal many cities are stay within their limits because there's another city right on their borders doing something We don't necessarily have that scenario. We provide utilities well beyond our city limits population of 120 plus thousand Is our utility service area? We provide administrative staffing for the entire countywide library system. That's a population of 200 plus thousand We provide lifeguards Down the coast we provide a population servicing the entire university. It's another 20,000 population Um for ucse so we have services that go beyond our boundaries that aren't reflected in their per capita because their analysis just uses The department of finances per capita population data, so We like that we're talking to them and we'll probably get that adjusted So it's a more norm comparison where you'll see certain data The population might use an 85,000 population base or 120,000 popular population base What that means is right now this all the data is based on 65,000 population So it's ignoring that we're providing services beyond our boundaries So going into that what I mean by that is when you look at total staffing For our city They had staffing of 865 included in the 865 is all the employees in the countywide library While there might be a you know handful of 15 20 employees in that work within the city There's over 100 countywide library employees and they're all reflected in our employee count But the population Isn't imperfect in our population count We've had similar conversations in the past with people look at zip codes and our zip codes go well beyond our Santa Cruz city limits So this is one where you'll see that bar our green bar Santa Cruz come down When you factor in those employees aren't necessarily the city's Santa Cruz employees And then you'll see the bar even go lower when you factor in the revised per capita numbers But even with that we're we're We're not the top We're unlying with Berkeley. We're well ahead of Monterey We'll probably end up at or below Santa Barbara levels and you know closer to the peer average when you make those those modifications Looking at expenditure per capita again that chart would come down when you adjust for per capita We're actually near the peer on general fund expenditures per 10,000 population 1,500 per so Don't get stuck on the numbers because it's great. I love the math, but it's really that bar chart It's telling us that we're we're near the peer average that line is Is the peer average? So we're near that we're not incredibly high not incredibly low. We're we're near the peer We're almost perfectly in alignment with Berkeley And you'll you'll see this throughout and there's 40 slides I'm going to go through these pretty quickly This probably deserves like a two-hour conversation and I'd love to have a two-hour conversation with you have management partners here So maybe at another time And we'll try to get some more information for Tuesday's council action The looking at the general fund revenue basis property tax Perfectly in line with with our peers. So our property tax is what others are saying. We're not higher. We're not lower. We're perfectly in alignment Sales tax were slightly higher, but reasonably in alignment when you factor in our tourism and our seaside Company that that brings up that that that amount of sales tax revenue a little bit TOT were in line and nowhere near Monterey They're there to stand out anomaly when you when you Align per capita Monterey also has an assessment district that levies a very aggressive Tax or district tax on top of their TOT that feels like a TOT tax So that's not reflected their number will actually be higher when you bring that one on board So they're they normally in this one I talked about utility user tax. We are the outside of this. There's not a lot of cities that have a utility users tax Ours is higher than normal Then then the peers it just is if you ask me why I'll say that's that's a great question I'll find out but it could have to do with how our consumers are making choices But that'll be interesting to possibly look deeper into Business license again, we're we're down way way low or statistically at the bottom Santa Maria is only is only lower however Business license is a tax to increase it would take voter approval If we double doubled it it's still nominal dollars comparatively to what we need to the future So I wouldn't prioritize that let's go after that one as a policy measure But it's just to be mindful of that our tax business tax is incredibly small Um administrator functions, uh, you know, I've been in government for a couple decades and you know, it's always assumed that there's administration is high and heavy What this shows us is Our expenditures for administration again We need footnotes all over the place here and I'll talk about one of them But we're near the peer But included in administration is the city manager's department Including the city managers are a lot of other things that are not city managers administration They're all the community core grant funding the the the Public the police auditor there The prevention for Women's violence I'm losing my acronyms right now But there's a lot of other programs that are not administrative functions that just fall Under the city manager's operating budget. So when we take out those four million dollars of other things That number shrinks A lot and where you see it isn't staffing So if we look at staffing the number of bodies in city manager Finance it hr our staffing is at the bottom when you look at The number of fte staffing who supports other employees We're at the bottom And when you when you look at us per capita, we're near the bottom So we're well below the peer average on on staffing and again when you factor in that we have staff that provide services to to Uh Financial services and hr services to the library who is has a lot of demand for those services That number would shrink even more when we add in that anomaly. So our administrative staffing is below the peer on per capita below the peer on Fte count per employees And when you factor out the three or four million dollars in the city manager's office that really aren't administrative costs Their their cost expenditures are going to fall to the lowest so administratively we're low. That was interesting I we I think we intuitively thought that might be the case, but it's interesting to see the comparison play out We didn't I think it caught me off guard as well Public safety police and fire So As said, they're both their expenditures and staffing both of them are are in line If not staffing a little bit low our peer average were in line with peer Included in police is the cost for the 911 center Those may not be reflected in other police departments. So that could bring that cost number down a little bit There's about a little over a million dollars a year That in or a million two or something to that effect in the police department budget to play for the 911 center That might be in other places in different jurisdictions, but nonetheless That could be an adjustment in the future Staff levels in the police department which includes five positions that are not necessarily meant to be carried There are over higher positions. We're right at the peer norm When we look at fire fire spending is right at the peer norm But that includes The cost for 10 additional ucse firefighters and doesn't reflect the fact that we get entirely paid back by the university So if we adjusted out those costs specific to the university that number would drop significantly And if you adjusted out the population or if you inversely added the population of uc Though that green bar for us would come down. So we're at the peer average by data But we'd be below it when making those appropriate adjustments if that makes sense Fire the same thing our peer average now is low that includes 10 positions that aren't necessarily serving the city Santa Cruz that are serving the university. So factoring that out even our account would drop lower Park some rec The temperatures are Slightly above the peer average And I think it's reflective of our thousands not hundreds of acres that are green belts and that we maintain They're not a lot of communities that have that size of acreage that we maintain across the entire city So that's unique to us having a wharf. I think there's one other functional wharf in the state I'm correct I think so That's an anomaly not I'm not sure Yeah, Santa Monica's not here. So no the other organizations have a wharf yet. That's in our parks and record expenditures So that green bar would come down adjusting for that Looking at staffing again our staffing for a park safety region staffing for the wharf would bring that bar down Nonetheless, we're at the peer average Planning and community development costs and expenditures slightly above peer average a lot of that is policy based and the nature of our community we're in a Growing investment community. There are a lot of development projects happening housing And business happening that aren't necessarily reflective in many of these some but not all of these other communities We've also as counts prior counts of policy direction on doing x y and z on different programs That has increased our staffing costs as well as our f t council in both cases On those just the pure numbers of staffing and expenditures are above the norm But there's strong justifications for that and and analysis to be had there But not incredibly above they're they're reasonable Code enforcement expenditures While I think we'd still want some more time understanding the data that they use to arrive at this We'd be slightly ahead of this and I think we'd expect that with Programs to expand in the last several years councils asked to expand the code enforcement program as well as add and invest in residential winter programs But I think we still have to analyze the data a little bit more But it's not totally unexpected that our expenditures per capita and code enforcement might be a little bit higher But I think we need some more comparison to understanding the numbers that they used and how they got there Especially with the other agencies because we didn't we didn't expect it to be that kind of scale economic development Which includes for us housing business outreach Development activities arts programs a lot of things that aren't necessary in your typical economic development If there is one in other jurisdictions So our even with that our expenditures are slightly above the norm But I think that's Totally reasonable this committee is valued and wants investment in services to help businesses services to work with the arts community services to work on housing our housing crisis So we weren't surprised by this in fact We might say we might want to be closer to santa barba rather than go down in those areas But that's that's policy direction at the If you look at housing though, if you look at what we're spending on housing Napa is an anomaly or below the peer average because in Napa and Napa is They Flow in and out all the section 8 housing which for us the county does and Napa the city does that so it's not really a Huge A program of theirs that flows in and out, but it does impact our cost side You're not seeing the revenues that come into offset that so that throws the anomaly if you took Napa out We'd be out here Are closer to the peer not that far below Moving into public works They're not boring, but the data was just oh, okay. That's same storyline The expenditures or ft accounts are very similar And and this takes a lot when I mentioned about Spending time with code enforcement. We have to spend a lot of time on our public works We have a very broad public works department expands from roads and Project management and facilities but also includes fleet management and then you get in all of our various enterprise funds All under one public works department that in a city Our public works department could be a standalone city in their employee base cost structure and programs So we have to make sure that they're it's their apples apples comparison, but even with that it's a reasonable Our expenditures are close to peer average Expenditures when you go down to engineering and transportation are below peer average Santa Barbara and berkeley or have a lot more investment in engineering and transportation Probably has to do with staffing counts Our expenditures for fleet maintenance in this area. We've got to look further into it We're at the peer average for fleet maintenance if we are higher it might say well What can we do to look at fleet maintenance? But right now we're at the peer average Facilities in custodial. We have to understand how they got to those numbers because ours are slightly different But they're reasonably close But with that we're below peer average on what we're doing facility maintenance And I think we would have expected to see that We've had to curtail a lot of our investment in facilities and a lot of the investment in In supporting our infrastructure Civic wharf Loudon nelson so many facilities city hall Requires more maintenance requires more roofing requires. Hey, how about going from single pane windows from 1940s to dual pane efficiency windows? A lot of things like that that we're not not able to do And I mentioned stuff that we're still working on with management partners Looking on data for general funds How other cities Invest in in supporting the social community programs how other cities Perform services that might be traditionally delivered by the county Number of hotel beds just an interesting thing. It kind of came up out of the focus group like well, that's an interesting question Let's see if we can get some data on that As well as what are what are other cities doing in their response and homelessness? What's their active participation? Are they on the sidelines cheerleading? Are they actively involved or are they taking the leadership? So we're we're looking into that information some of the initial data small scale says We're no surprise above the norm for nonprofit support We're incredibly above the norm for for county services And we're a little bit abnormal in our in our leadership role in homelessness not you know not unreasonable But so far the initial data that we're hearing from management partners They're not seeing that yet from the other cities, but we don't have enough data yet in that space You said above the norm for county services, but that's for the direct purchases from the city of county services. Yes, correct our city Yeah, thank you for that clarification. Correct So that ends the The review and I know that's a speed a speed show Again, we probably love to spend a lot more time in any one of those slides and delve deeper We're not necessarily prepared yet. We've got the data on monday and we're really proud of the work They did we have a lot of trust and faith in in this relationship with management partners They've really proved to be incredibly valuable efficient and timely as well as I like the word frugal We've got a very good contract in place Things we we hope to get out of this is helping to identify what metrics we want to maintain and do on an annual basis You know, we might not want to replicate everything, but what what are the key metrics we want to start doing on annual comparisons and We think we can put something together that all these other cities would say Hey, we went in on this because there's great data here And maybe there's a way to cost share or get funded in another way to do this work And an efficient and cost effective way. So there are there are future strategies Meaning like in the next couple months. We want to work towards. Um, so I'll pause there Again, I probably can't answer in detail a lot of the data behind those analysis management partners You know, did the analysis, but I can pause and see if there's any quick questions or comments Of course you can't come from a right. This was that this was excellent And this is like the type of data that I'm always asking about When we look at budgets and so thank you for um, I know that we initiated well you initiated this study and we were able to Approve going forward with it, but I just see so much valuable information in this. So thank you and um, You know, as you were going through the slides, you were talking about all of the Different circumstances which could lift or lower our numbers and averages I assume that As we dig dig deeper all of those things will be taken into consideration when we get the final report Possibly where that might come into play is a phase two contract. Um You know, we might want to Limit the scope identify one of the primary areas rather than you know adjusting everything there might be You know 12 areas when we're really focused on so just cost efficiency and time savings We might want to you know narrow down what we want to do and then make those adjustments and be able to report annually Or periodically on how this is going because I think that's really important because Santa Cruz is an anomaly in a lot of ways Our population obviously doesn't represent all of the functions that we do as well as the realities of having a university and being A tourist town so I think all of those overlays and considerations are so important when digging deeper into this And I you know, I know that it helps council members make a much better informed decision Going forward with with budget and policy and are we able to ask questions about the previous? Well, yeah, we were trying each section if you wanted to ask a couple questions Going back to slide number 20 one thing that I noticed is Reduction of overtime for fire I'm just wondering What that represents on a practical level. I don't know if I should ask this now or wait until fire Gives their presentation. I think that's a great question. Maybe well, I'm the presentation today So maybe when I'm done we can go right to council questions. We have that starting at 11 30 But I'll fly that as a question that we can come to at 11 30 okay Any other quick council member math on this presentation management partners. Yeah You had a slide on facilities maintenance and we were below average And did that it sounded to me when you started naming the projects that they were capital investments as well as operations is that I think that's where we need to understand deeper what what they compared to is it's just pure maintenance cleaning maintenance painting versus Modest investments versus capital investments. Yeah, I would tend to think it includes like Repairs and you know some building investments. Maybe not replacing a whole roof, but fixing certain portions of roofs So I think we need to delve deeper, but we do expect to be way under right Unfortunately, and we need to cure that and change that And our strategy fiscal 2020 through your strategy does this that Any other questions on this side? Catching my breath marcus. That was quite a Presentation mind you I always like when we compare ourselves to other cities because it tells us what we're doing well and what maybe we could work on Particularly berkeley and davis. I think are relevant in our case Both university towns and tourist towns but tourists in different ways um Did we get a copy of this beforehand? Well interesting at at five minutes before I was still doing some edits to this So, um, can you give us a copy? Absolutely. We'll get it. It's a lot to digest I also need to just regularize my management partners has been amazing But I I certainly want to make sure he's comfortable With some of the notes I put in here, um, and I'm sure he is he's been very good with that So I'll make sure he sees the slide deck and then we'll send that around to each of you and get it online Today or tomorrow a few slides is slide nine property tax Yeah, they're just trying to take that in and seeing what we're we're at and um Looking at berkeley. What's the what's the upper? Upper number the 53 versus r21 That would be their total general fund revenue So they have 53 million dollars revenue when adjusted for per capita So we could get more app without the comparison They're still slightly higher because of their assessed values are much higher than ours And I'm just trying to think where would the real estate transfer tax come in here? Would that be something that would boost their Value as well here it could that's a question we have to delve deeper Is this just pure property tax or does it include other things like a transfer tax? I would suspect it might be pure property tax, but it could include transfer tax There's is ingress is Off the charts higher if we did a transfer tax comparison, and I think we did that Or maybe touched on that in in january with the first revenue ad hoc committee Their bar is here and ours is almost non-existent. Yeah Slide number 22 Just you're wondering about this sort of staffing issues Um, go ahead to slide 29 because I was um, I thought it was another slide Not these Numbers are sort of Why why do you what's going on here? You think why why is this so much more and because I'm hearing a lot about Negativity around code enforcement around the rental inspection ordinance. It's something that most people I hear from do not like it Do not want it would like it to go away What what is this that we're spending so much money on on code enforcement? Uh, you know, I would probably defer to planning, but I suspect a couple years ago There there was an investment that council wanted to expand and get rid of the backlog and code enforcement as well as Getting into more well certainly has raised a lot of the and contributed to our housing crisis Good afternoon mayor and council leave out there the planning director and um One of the things is certainly the rental inspection service. We have three of our full-time employees That um That account for a significant percentage. We have seven individuals In our or seven positions. I should say in our code enforcement and three of those are in the rental inspection service And many communities do not offer that service or they offer some limited portion of it I would say that That service is a hundred percent cost recovery And so we've done that analysis over the inception since the inception of the program Seven or so years ago and So there isn't an impact to the general fund from the rental inspection service and it's it's roughly $68 per year for single-family residents And it's slightly more expensive if you've got more units, but it's um, it's Subsidized for properties with more units And then it also goes to you know, the types of services That are being provided. You know, we have neighborhood cleanups that we do and we have Money coming in through cdbg the community development block grant funds So there are a lot of sources of funding that help to cover these costs But in terms of the comparison the Rental inspection service is something that I would say Distinguishes us in terms of additional costs though as mark has mentioned we would need to evaluate how Each of these communities compares in terms of the types of services that they provide through their code program Venture a guess on why davis is so low at except the university bigger than ours I just from a guess perspective There may be Very few Code enforcement issues. There are also instances where Code enforcement doesn't necessarily show up in the program that you would anticipate it in I have worked in cities where Or at least one city I should say where There were code enforcement staff in the building division that were separate from a Code enforcement staff that I supervised in a planning division And so I think we need to dive into the numbers more to Clearly understand that but that that could be a Explanation for their low And are we just the last question is we still at 500 more or less that we've Said we're not up to code and I remember 30 were abated and working on the rest Do you know if those numbers have changed at all? We have about a hundred that we're working on right now and the This is unpermitted dwelling units that were Working with the owners to legalize. We've got about a hundred in our program And the last that I looked I think it was closer to 450 or so. I know that we had reported out in November that it was approximately 500 and then when we ran our latest list we found From my memory about 450 Or so that we are We have in the pipeline. Thank you. Last slide Marcus is number 32 What's going on here? Why why Berkeley so high? I mean you mentioned Napa, but why what's what's going on with Berkeley? Do you know we don't we don't something to delve deeper into okay? Thanks. It's just a significant amount being spent on housing I'm assuming this is like when you're saying housing this affordable housing or this is something else That's that's the unknown. We'll have I mean we saw the data on monday and I think we're trying to understand Both our number where they got to that and what's in those other numbers for the jurisdictions and we'll get there Thanks, man. I appreciate the questions councilmember crown councilmember matthews It's a good start and it's apples oranges bananas and everything else when you get down the details But I appreciate it in some of the blue bar on the left. You do have some annotations about the significant differences and as those Become clarified the more you can add that's that's better. Yeah Add a few questions. Um, if you go back to number nine where it dealt with property tax how Um, difficult would it be to get comparisons on retail sales tax revenues? Uh, I mean like there where we're tracking over time where we do that regularly to see Um, how we compare with our peers in this area Aside from the budget process. I love that so if I can get me my daughter over the weekend when you start Yeah, but uh my younger daughter my little one and she's going in a different direction, but um I'm probably not too challenging Um, to if we went back two or three years at that is publicly available anything further might take a lot more research Um, but we can probably over the span of a couple weeks be able to pull together Some similar data on sales tax. It's generally generally pretty available. Not always I know just been in the news about a potential one of a large dealership that might be leaving the city and so just knowing what those impacts are and how we can kind of one make up for them over time and It's good to have that information to know what what we have and how we can make perhaps expanded if if we see other communities are You know doing well in retail, especially in a climate where a lot of people now are Shifting shifting to other platforms like online purchases Is that probably a more macro level of what's what's our makeup of retail and what's what pike what segments are growing That analysis like if you look to auto to auto That would take a significant amount of investment just looking at the ground up total sales tax base That's easier to do an industry level comparison doable, but A much higher investment. Do you want to follow up just on that? I think bonnie has a lot of that in economic development The we get the quarterly tdl reports or whatever they called so anyway Yeah, and we get some kind of macro level like across the state not necessarily by the comparable cities We have data that's available not necessarily every data Um, so there are some of that but um to drill down to the specific industry level Again possible just some time to pull that together, but very interesting. Okay, and then slide 11 You were mentioning monoray has another tax. It may not be included in that. What was that and The conference center they they live in an assessment district for all their hotel properties to fund their conference center innovation And you know, I don't know the order magnitude per room night per hotel But it's a significant add-on that the visitors are paying Um per room night and that's dedicated just for the conference Did you see and I know we've looked at these in three different times Do other cities um have dedicated uses for their tot that might be specific for Visitor serving facilities or maintenance in areas that are you know, our visitor facilities. It's a great question I'm only aware the only one that we're aware of is monoray. They have a Segment of their tot that goes to fund certain certain community programs or Um tourist visitor programs Um, we used to have an allocation that went to capital. We'd like to come back to that It's part of our fiscal 2023 plan to start having to t help fund our capital In other words have our visitors help fund our infrastructure Um, but we'd like to go back to that The other thing that's interesting to point out about monoray is that they've actually been a city that experienced population decline So the number they used to be like 35 36,000. They're like at 28,000 now And so which is really interesting while our population has grown. There's just declined So they're per capita is a little bit misleading because they their population has declined Okay, and then just two other slides number 24 for the parks So I know you commented on this we do have we we've made some strong investments in our open spaces parks And we also have the municipal war. Is there any way to kind of look at this comparison so we can make it a little bit more Modified to reflect the like the square area that we stood of service like maybe there's a there's a different metric that covers You know what the cost is per area rather than just looking at it on an absolute number because I think that that would maybe better reflect, you know the the service for that we're providing for our parks Yeah, I think that's that's a great suggestion And then for number 34 And I know they're gonna do follow-up on this for But but in terms of public works external maintenance It's it would be nice to know where we are compared to other cities in terms of investment and infrastructure compared with other peer cities so That we're not just looking at, you know the absolute but I mean there's probably things in there that we could look at Where hey if we're maybe under investing in infrastructure that might give us a good picture of where we need to you know put our future budget dollars And I interpret what you're saying to be more of Reflective of our capital projects are we roadways facilities are we making major investments in building versus Sweeping cleaning fixing pipes. Absolutely. Yeah, so you're more interested in investment comparison. Yeah But I just think I'm that was the last question on the slides I thought this whole process was great to have the presentations And we all actually shared these with the community focus group and then these A draft version of this was at the public meeting that was on the 31st Some of you were there and saw a preview of it and then we'll at the next Budget hearing I think on the 12th. We should have those additional questions that you mentioned We at least get responses to we might have to have footnotes that you know statistically still not Entirely comprehensive. I mean if we get three of three of the seven or three of the eleven just keep that in mind But yes, we we expect to have some more content So what you might see is just a slide deck As part of the budget options staff report as an informational item again noting that it's still draft There's still a lot more research to be done, but it's a great starting point It really is a really good data in here And I hope we do this again just annually to kind of update to see where we are Did you want to comment at all from okay All right. Thank you marcus So, oh, you know one other thing. I don't know if you handed this out This was at the public meeting, but we did compile a list of focus group frequently asked questions Did you it was that something you made available for the council members that made not have attended that meeting? Is that in the it's not a budget doc? Okay, and it's going to be another attachment and then june 12th That option it's online now in our fiscal 19 proposed budget Um, and that's that's probably reflective of maybe 40 of the questions There are a lot of comments that were written in narratives or interpreting Um, they're handwriting as well as transcribing the notes and then putting answers to those So that document may grow from two pages to six. We'll see what how much more Different unique questions there are but we have more content we're going through Thank you. So I'll finish with the slide deck. Um, again, a lot of my presentation is similar themes This is another slide that was really in large of the focus group saying that pie chart is interesting But irrelevant to us. Tell us what you're doing So when we presented to the may 31st committee forum on budget They found this a really interesting slide deck noting that there's a lot more of the why and maybe different metrics to do But these are examples of the what what we're doing Um, so in fire department they respond to 9100 calls a year 50 for six 56 percent are medical two percent of fire And I love the terminology 25 percent are good intent and I'm sure She probably is virtually around He can explain good intent. It could be we're responding to a lot of things that aren't necessarily an emergency related But they are something that we're being called to help check in and support on 14% are false alarms and some other response. So it's just interesting to see some of that high level There's a lot more detail behind it and a lot more analysis and questions delve deeper Police department about 103,000 calls over a 12 month period And then going down to different metrics they have about 10,400 reports that they write annually 3,800 arrests 5,700 in total citations Parks and rec to your point 43 parks four beaches And more importantly 1,704 acres not not square feet acres Of parks that we're responsible for that's a huge number of acreage. It's almost the city on its own Of just our park space 7,300 facility rentals any year that we're doing individual rental transactions Public works I can relate to the number of the engineers. I think we're engineers and accountants come from the same DNA They'll they're the cream of the crop and we're trying to catch up to them But 2.7 million square feet of roads. I love that analysis A road overlays 1,258 street signs 28,000 feet of storm water 1,500 1,500 different facility maintenance calls with just a few bodies who are doing those calls So that's just an example of different things. There's much more deeper layers economic development over 1,300 I'm sorry 52,000 square feet of graffiti that's been abated and resolved. It's huge. It's incredible Assistance to over 1,300 different affordable housing units assistance to over 300 businesses during a year These are just examples of a different data library system 1.7 million items checked out through the entire system So we'll work deeper on this type of data the comparison data and what we want to start comparing and get more Relevant on but it's interesting to see the feedback from Really in large of the focus group saying provide us what you're doing and then we tested it a week later and it resonated And so that was great feedback that we're able to quickly kind of delve into So getting into similar things again a duplicate slide tax-based eroding and What I mean by that if we're looking at kind of our top two four Revenues in the general fund The blue chart is where we expect things to go or our revenue stream We're expecting still bullish property tax growth even though we're projecting that Economic slowdown or not for the economic slowdown those blue charts would be going higher What that line chart represents is you know our reasonable best guess of where we expected it to be And you'll understand that in the next couple slides. So there's something that might change what we expect And for property tax what we expect to happen and what we think are going to happen are in alignment And here's an example of where it's not in alignment sales tax What we expect to actually happen in sales tax is slow growth 1% the negligible Maybe coming back in 22 and 23 in an economic recovery period But if we were turned out What we would expect it in a normal recovery period that line chart would would keep pushing revenue up If it weren't for sales tax online sales going to other places or nowhere If it weren't for consumers spending differently that it's feels like a taxable item, but it's no longer taxable video streaming and going away from utility users taxes and and going better Fuel efficient vehicles that sales tax is going down consumers buying services not products um All those things that we've talked about Are degrading the sales tax base people are spending money on something that's not taxable or it's The feds have said we can't tax it yet So in a normal recovery period we would want to see sales tax keep going up and we would expect it to In this new economy economy or not We're expecting sales tax to be sluggish our retailers are confirming this our focus groups said oh, absolutely You're not going to have growth anymore in these sectors So that's new, you know, we've never seen sales tax not grow during economic recovery periods But we are expecting it to be very stagnant again Going into utility users tax. We actually expect it to decline as we Get through the next several years as the tax base continues to shrink Things are moving from non-taxable to from taxable to non-taxable People getting rid of land lines for phones people getting rid of their cable packages We those are the big hits As well as something we can't anticipate yet. We think solar panels. Yay But what's going to happen with solar panels will energy costs go down What happens when energy costs go down utility users tax on those costs go down? Better water conversation. Yay, but as we found out when people conserve water our revenue goes down So we are expecting this utility user tax base to shrink not grow over time And finally within to t Our goal is to get it back in alignment right now. We know there's a gap We know that especially in short-term vacation rentals There's a lot of that tax actions happening with online vacation rentals that we're losing. We've made progress We've brought in over a half a million dollars of Found to t money into our system But there's more to be had there and we hope to bring it in alignment where the line the bars reached the lines But right now we know there's a gap So that's that's kind of a just a narrative on what we see happening in our major revenues While we are projecting still growth in property tax some growth in to t. It's not the growth we We would expect because of what's happening in the economy And as just some recaps we don't get all the sales tax. We don't get all the property tax We get 16 of every property tax dollar paid For every dollar in tax we get 16 cents similar with sales tax For every hundred dollars purchase we get a buck 50 Measure s you know when validated adds another quarter to that so it'd be $1.75 for every hundred dollars purchased And to your point may be process that that circle that ring in the bottom is kind of our allocation of our sales tax base I've said this before we're barely balanced. I like to see that as a finance director We're not all dependent on one industry and one autumn all one one outlet We have a very balanced economy. So if one sector hits it's not impactful on our whole base But it would be interesting to not only see how we compared others on that base You can imagine Curie, you know that ring is two auto dealers and outlets and then little slivers of something else Versus capitol a you know all mall outlets and car sales little some some restaurants So it would be interesting to see that comparison as well to see what lessons are being learned Wrapping up with what we're doing what's coming next sure. Yeah questions on those slides just now. Yeah So This slide on transient occupancy tax I know during last budget cycle we talked a lot about how we could do better at capturing the str To t And I know that I was supposing that it would actually pay for itself a position just to do that I'm wondering do we have the data yet on that? Yes and no so we We actually haven't added that additional new layer. It's going to start Like weeks not months not days With the coastal commission Determination on our housing regulations. We were hesitant to to roll this out without knowing what we're testing against Now we're moving very aggressively to bring that forward We do expect it to still be very cost neutral if not a revenue gain That is our entire expectation and based on what we've done in house already. We know that's validated Again over $500,000 of found revenue that now every year is in our revenue base That's paying for the modest Two to two and a half staff who have been working in that space So we expect those trends to continue Maybe not two for one value But at least one and a half dollars for every dollar we spend Same slide do those projections include Hotels approved In the pipeline. I know you're cautious of not counting eggs before they're hatched The ones that are like unconstruction and ready to open, you know live. I see things happening. Yes Like a lobby here project No, I think we've got maybe a 10 percent of probability in 2023 of summer revenue stream coming online there But depending on the timing of that that could be an improvement to our forecast I'll just mention for the sake of others Unvisit Santa Cruz. They do chart the tot Growth over annual growth In comparison Santa Cruz to the state of california and some of our regional Cities like, you know napa and San Luis Obispo. Those are always kind of the comparables for us. So We actually do Well in our performance as compared to some of our comparable cities, which is it's just another factor to throw in there Thank you Yeah Just on this slide. Do you have any questions cats more crown? No. Okay on this slide Do you know what can we predict whether or not there's a like an amount of decline based on some of the changes We made in our short-term rental restrictions? No, I think it's too early to to be able to predict what that May or may not be And another question why would there be a decline because of the short-term vacation taking taking Properties that would have produced tot off of offline. So you're not collecting tot's on properties that had been there I just wanted to know if there was a any sort of estimate on that so for the The other question I had was in regards to Looking at the quality of the hotel stock in a community I mean, is there any way to measure like hey, we've got this amount of tot But if we invest in you know, maybe a higher quality hotel stock Will that increase our tot and I don't know, you know as a kind of budget I mean, how do you kind of move future dollars to help support maybe an industry That we have here. I mean, we have a tourist economy How do you kind of look to make sure that we're Investing to support them to maybe potentially grow our existing tot through kind of upgrades or improvements That's more of a kind of a you don't need to answer But I mean just looking at how we might be able to forecast that or It's a great future planning. How do we do? What do we do? What options do you? Maybe Bonnie has a response Good morning, mayor members of the council. Bonnie Lipscomb director of economic development. We actually did a study It's actually now we it's time to update the study But we did a study with scott hospitality associates in 2008 2009 which looked Actually at our hotel stock and our aging infrastructure and basically said that we are under serving Greatly under serving our potential because we have the majority of our hotel stock is three star or lower And that we were losing quite a bit of revenue by not having four star and other full service and many hotels So that was um, and unfortunately the timing of the recession, you know, we tried to put forward Some of you may recall a tot investment program Reinvestment program at the time we ran into prevailing prevailing wage issues and during the recession So we weren't able to move that forward But we did kick off the hotel incentive program for a major facade improvement program Which we did move forward with several hotels at that time and the idea is that provides Facile improvement matching grant programs for some of our aging hotel stock, but we have been really looking at Supporting a couple of the major hotels that are are going forward Part of that investment that we have with some major grant funding and former redevelopment funding is on the riverside avenue Project that's going forward, but I do think that We could update that study and look at it Currently with a couple of the hotels that have come online including the Hyatt Place project and see What additional revenue we could capture because that is part of what the original study looked at great. Thanks Yeah, maybe if you have it still I'd like to see it. Sure Can't remember Matthew so outdated now that's that's what i'm saying It's time. It's timed everything that's been approved under construction And I mean there was a recent report on the the level of renovations going on is breathtaking right now So and I I think any study would be maybe Good to uh, okay with vision Santa Cruz visit Santa Cruz because of what's happening regionally as well Well, I would add to that. There are some pretty major projects in the works, you know the the coast hotel Renovations and then we've got the line hotel and then the La Pajia So looking ahead there are some pretty major renovations and projects that should make a difference in terms of encouraging The stock to to be improved No, just my comment was just I mean we have some existing hotels here I mean could we increase them by like Improving what we have also in addition to like the new ones that come online, but yeah Yeah, no, I'm just it's a forecast and then I'd like to get a slide 26 So I know that gap between the red line and where the projector revenue is some of it is You know the online sales that you mentioned that we're not getting and one of our work plan kind of objectives was to look at how we have our legislative Affairs and we have currently, you know folks in Sacramento. We have folks in in washington How are we using that we pay through the city manager's office? How are we using them to help like one advocate or at least get us in front of kind of our state? um legislators or federal legislators to make sure that this is a kind of a number one priority that we're seeing kind of resources drained away from our local community and how do we kind of really advocate on a really strong level that you know We really we'd like this money I was going to jump in. Yes. Yes. Yes. So we do we we we work with them to advocate We've we're watching closely a u.s. Supreme Court case that could change the landscape on federal legislation on sales tax online sales tax and as Soon as tomorrow I'm on a league and revenue taxation committee been appointed that we've been working specifically for a couple years in supporting legislation and providing recommendations on Expanding what's taxable as well as how it's allocated The county pool discussion of a system that was designed in the 70s That takes purchases and dumps them blindly into buckets and then it might hit the county direct county or not And if it's right county it it gets shared among the county and not to where the destination is and we have the data We know where people are purchasing things So, um, there's been a lot of work on many fronts on sales tax within the state of california through the league of california cities On some specific revenue committee city mantra committee And the revenue taxation committee. So yes. Yes. Yes supreme court are Our support and lobbyists as well as staff working Okay, and if there's anything that you know, whenever things come up or we can at least kind of advocate on that We want to make sure that you let us know because I mean people go to Sacramento or when we have conversations with our elected officials want to make sure that issues front and center I agree. The league is the great, uh, venue for doing that. And I think what we can Perhaps do even more of is uh, when we lobby tell our story of how that legislation is going to affect us And you're well positioned to do that Any other questions on these slides? Okay, I have six minutes and I can do it I'm there So this is just a recap. Um You Mayor frost she did a really nice job of what's new this year and a lot of things of the city council had how come He had great ideas on and great energy and inspiration for Um, so this is a snapshot We had an action lab that started with this internal staff level Over 60 different players around the city all brought together assigned to different work teams We have six different work teams each work team looked at two different One question of three one of three questions and provided the what if if this happens? How do we respond to that short term long term mid term? revenues Better service efficiency Big picture changes and we got a lot of great feedback and we're digesting through that. There's a top 10 list That's out there right now that we're Going through and you'll start hearing some of that as report outs during fiscal year 19 Because we want to bring some of that I was not only the report out of the whole thing, but some specific measures We had the the budget focus group, which is the smashing success The bar chart and down the bottom that yellow line is 100 surveyed Responded said we want to come back and we were hoping to see that and not only did the participants actively engage You know, sorry. I'm dating myself at wrestling. No holds barred comments But they weren't against each other. They might have had conflicting comments But they were all very candid and and it was a very positive environment incredibly powerful And we took a lot of notes. We had six different staff members Scribing notes. We promise we wouldn't record videotape. No pictures We wanted to keep it as intellectually honest as possible No names attached to the comments, but we've compiled frequently asked questions Already based on a lot of that feedback We've developed a lot of new content that's in our budget document published online Um And the budget one-on-one community forum and get another successful endeavor. We had Over 20 participants not one counting the camera person as prior years might have been We partnered with Santa Cruz neighbors and they were outstanding with getting the message out there We partnered with the chamber of commerce and increased business council They were outstanding with getting the measure message out there We had very diverse participants and a lot of active questions And we've adopted a format where despite what I'm doing today Talk briefly overview and just go quiet and listen and respond to questions and that's been very very Well-received and we look forward to doing more of that So I think we've found some great successful opportunities for better engagement better alignment of our content big takeaways of the focus group our action labs It mentioned we have 67 different option items that were identified Um, and it was just a very positive environment as well about city Staff from across the city mixed them with with each other. Nobody not everybody was public works on the same team Not only do they get to know each other they help problem solve together and the energy was off the charts incredible And I think there's a lot of value in that Um, the focus group what I want to comment on again a lot of content here But it's a really well structured. I give a lot of credit at the budget ad hoc committee They started with who are segments in the community not who should come But what segments in the community we want diversely represented You know neighborhoods community at large and nonprofits social groups businesses business community and you know a lone government member They didn't want to be so you know have government Overcast they really wanted a community representation and then from their city council recommended names Um, the ad hoc committee developed a recommended list really a balanced eye towards how do we get diversity on this team? Um Not only a male female but diversity perspectives diversity of experiences And it was incredibly diverse and we had 18 people volunteered their time Um, relatively short notice to come and they were all well engaged and um, I'm very proud of of how that meeting was Was handled and a lot of their comment was what we hope to see Oh, we wish we had more time to do this. We wanted more time for that. Um, we want to come back We want to stay engaged. So it was very positive very constructive Even the critiques were about critique going forward. Tell your story better Um, get you we're hearing you're doing amazing stuff We're hearing the stuff you're doing beyond what a normal city does. We didn't know that Tell that. Um, so that was powerful to hear that and and how again, we take our legal tool that's a budget document that sets our budget authority and how we Use that more for an informative document to help provide information to the community. Um, right now it's a legal tool But how do we make that more useful? So that was all well received. Um I really commend the focus group for pushing that forward and all the staff that did the lift behind the scenes Um, the costs were negligible. You know, we didn't have any paid consultants there Uh, give me, uh, great garrison from management partners volunteers time to come And it was well, we've got to repeat that. It's a big success our budget one on one community stakeholder meeting again supporting Deb Elston and the Santa Cruz neighbors were fantastic and gave that message out there And even though, you know, uh, you know, we had 20 people show up, which was fantastic Um, that message replicated itself in the community and and dad is putting pushing our slides out to all of our our lists Um, so real strong feedback. We've been in front of the chamber of commerce. We've been front of Santa Cruz business council Um, we've had a very good engagement period. It's it takes a lot of effort. Um, we hope can replicate this. Um But it's been running a lot in different directions, but we've done we've been very successful at that um So I I think those were the Yeah, I wanted to highlight those kind of new things and I could pause for a second before we wrap it up They're you know, I know several council members were participated in both of those focus groups and committee forums It's also occurred on the first day of the nba finals and that was nice to get a term With five with five other meetings going on that night Did you tape the game? I was uh, I was scanning I was disappointed because I was trying to stay don't tell me about it and devilsson was so excited She couldn't resist. I don't want an overtime. I was like, oh But um, yeah, it was a really great night Any any comments questions now for those? Okay. I think there was one more slide So this is recap. This is a look later But these are all the things we've done that leads that double a plus bond rating over over the You know last decade There's been a lot of council initiatives and a lot of staff work on getting us to this point in time of being well plan way ahead Reduce costs now for the future savings Compounding savings now for for future years. So these are just examples of things the list is so much longer But these are just a highlight of many of those things um And again just recapping our 2023 strategy going from the success We've already made with this proposed adopted budget should be adopted balanced I'm and when it is adopted balanced our deficits are smaller and we'll keep plugging at our efforts of Being smarter with how we perform operations the big lift This was one of the biggest lifts for us resetting our cost base now There might be some modest changes coming forward And that's where we think those action lab assignments will help bridge that gap Or we reduce costs without impacting services Um where we can get to a fiscally balanced place where we're we're adding to our capital investments We're adding to maintaining services. We're adding to how we provide services not Um, not just expanding today's level not just doing what we're doing today So this these are smart a smart plan of how we get to 23 2023 fiscally balanced in our general fund where frankly I think when we're in 21 22 and 23 when we look around it's going to be there's going to be a lot of Challenges in other jurisdictions throughout the entire state. I think we're fortunate to have Luck and plan and we've got a great community. We've got a great business community We've got an engaged local town of people who are all actively engaged on moving us forward So that's fantastic. You know a lot of successful attributes that we're confident will get there That that summarizes what we're doing. Um, again, we're Oh, I'm sorry two minutes over. Um, but we're available for council questions now between now and lunch Let me just say You know, I know that you just gave an overview a broad overview But it was really detailed in terms of the budget and all the materials that you provided I I think the the memos that you provided giving an overview of that the changes in the budget from last year And this one have been really helpful And so I know that if you'd comment maybe briefly there for the public that may not have seen the materials There's a city Web page that has all the budget documents and these materials that you just presented And then we also have the ability for people to comment if they have questions regarding the budget They can either email us or later today when we have our public comment They come in and ask directly. Absolutely. Yeah, we have our fiscal 2019 budget page It has a link to all the different documents that have Supplemented the budget document this presentation from the community forum Today's presentation will be on on there the management partners once they give the okay to some of the edits We'll get that slide deck on there. There'll be a lot of good information all the frequently asked questions are up online You know, we're trying to make it all available as quickly as we can. All right. Thank you. All right council member crown Just wondering about the group that you put together Is there any plan to try to get them back together ever or it sounds like a lot of talent and You know time that people maybe they want to do more and just They're interested use them Absolutely. I mean that was one outcome that we discussed and I think once we conclude the ad hoc committee we're going to Likely bring forward some recommendations for the future budget on how we might replicate this The group as marcus mentioned 100 of them wanted to stay engaged and and return again So we I think it's really helpful Again, this started a little bit later in the budget process But having them start earlier Would also be helpful for us to get that feedback and then help us kind of better understand kind of what are the Community priorities in regards to our future budget planning So council member matthews The whole outreach and education process was amazing. So I think we're we're seeing the the benefits of that I would agree start a little bit earlier and Marcus if you go back to that slide with all the blue dots on it All the things we've done over the years I found in the course particularly of the measure s campaign and talking to people They said I didn't know that or you have so many questions. I didn't know that I didn't know that so You know for a lot of people budgets are not the thing they gravitate to first of all but The more we can put good effort ongoing into people understanding And and so many of the comments will how Why doesn't the city tell us how they spend the money? And that that's what you're getting to what are the actual services that are provided It's a real challenge, but We reap the results from making a good effort at it I also just a couple of the things a lot of questions About budget process amount money spent etc come in all the online the next door so I don't know if anyone is following that but but Harvesting that for some of the questions that might be incorporated into q&a There's just there's so many questions that do have answers and it's it's not for lack of trying and then if Even in a memo form or whatever. I'd be interested just to see what the top 10 recommendations or findings were of the action lab Have we gotten anything on that? It sounds like it's been an internal process, but yeah We're we're close. It's just a in the speed of which we Yeah, excuse me the 10 are identified and I think we we fund merit We need we we honor the action lab groups to go back to them to help them validate But we're really close Well, I just want to add my thanks for what your department did Above and beyond on all the outreach components of the preparing the budget in and of itself is heroic annually But the the outreach and education effort was many notches above So I think again that's been good And then to do all the responsiveness on the questions on the revenue the ballot measure as well while all this was converging was spectacular Yeah, I was going to comment on one of the biggest takeaways from the focus group was about you know, how the city Tells us message about the budget and what we're doing and a lot of it The information is a lot of time and effort is in there But sometimes how we kind of tell the story about where our costs are and what our priorities are Was what a lot of the focus group members commented across the board in terms of On a more proactive basis really kind of describing those services what we're doing So I think that's something that that we'll be looking at on how we kind of better communicate the budget as well as kind of the outcomes that the Linking that the budget expenditures to specific outcomes as far as what we're getting for those investments to make sure like councilmember chrome was mentioning about the The property or planning questions about what the differences are just knowing what you know What those costs are and what are the programs that support it and to making sure that we're Consistently kind of moving forward and getting the types of programs and results that we want based on our budget So are any other questions on this side? This is a time for all questions right from the presentation anything even if it wasn't covered Presentation during the presentation. It's the entire budget document. So If you have anything Yeah, going back to slide 20 on on this presentation Noticing that over time for firefighting or firefighters will be Eliminated or partially eliminated What does that look like on the ground in a practical manner? Because that raises alarm bells for me because obviously if we've needed it before What are we missing to not continue that? Um, that's a great question and Yeah, that was will you plan that? That's right. That's the only reason How's your back chief? I'm I'm standing upright today. So that's good So that I understand the question was specifically to the overtime Reduction in the hundred thousand dollars Well, the reason why we felt that we were able to reduce our overtime Allotment for this year by a hundred thousand dollars is because we just graduated an academy of four new firefighter paramedics And we had it takes just like police it takes a long time to hire train get them through the academy Get them on at that line And this will be the first time since I've been here where we've got a fully staffed full FTE for firefighters and With that and also looking out for the next 12 months We don't anticipate any retirements From the firefighter ranks. So because of the two things a fully staffed plus no anticipated retirements We felt that we could pull back the overtime numbers to 900 to what it is so We'll definitely be evaluating this throughout the the time We can definitely We'll come forth at mid-year to let you know where we're at and see how it tracks But I feel very confident in that it's not a service level reduction in any way it was just being good managers and and really really As marcus has asked take a really fine pencil to our budget to see where we can Be accurate as accurate as possible in what our projections are Thank you. Sure. Thank you And you you weren't here at the time, but you got a lot of compliments. Thank you for facilitating that Think the public community focus group marcus mentioned it too And I just wanted to say on behalf of our group. It was we appreciated that I had a great time I learned a lot. Yeah, I think we all did. Yeah, and I just wanted to ask me about the community focus groups Some of the information coming from the people who went through this was very interesting What I heard from a couple of the members after their experience was They want us to tell our story a little better as a city They want us to talk about everything that we do and kind of those, you know, anecdotal narratives They felt could go a long way in explaining to people You know why we do what we do in regards to money and budget So that really jumped out at me I think telling our story a little better and all of the things that city staff does would would help Going a long way, but obviously people still had faith in us by voting 71 in favor of measure s So, you know balance that but I do think we should tell our story a little bit more often And I'll give the ad hoc committee a lot of credit These budget hearings are different this year and largely the stories aren't part of the budget hearings Not because we didn't want them because we recognize This is the wrong place to tell their stories the people coming here are trying to advocate for our You know, we're not hitting the right audience during budget time to tell those stories So it's also part of how do we how do we do better outreach to get those stories out there? Right exactly just maybe some narratives on our website or narratives short videos, whatever it might be Right exactly. So that's um, that's something I'll be really interested in pursuing going forward Thanks, uh vice mayor Watkins Um, I just have a few observations one of the it was a Well, let me just start first start by saying it was really a great experience to be on the budget committee And it's been really helpful for me to have some of my questions answered and just be part of this process And I really want to echo the comments that were mentioned earlier that your team did an extraordinary job in a short period of time With engaging our community with seeking outside resources to support us with Other types of jurisdictional comparisons as well as just being able to pull together this incredible document And presentation today So I really applaud you and I applaud the team and the community that was willing to step up and get to work on This that was really really a great experience to be a part of I do think process wise in terms of a council member Crohn's comments that there's a lot of opportunity for And other previous comments from other council members for designing a process that's going to have More time for planning, but also incorporate these strategies moving forward So I'll reserve some of my very very specific questions But one question I just sort of had a sort of a larger question was in the context of the economic slowdown I know that that's sort of been a Component that we've been First seeing and it sort of changed in terms of when that will be expected Our do you to your knowledge marcus our other jurisdictions budgeting with that same projection timeline and anticipation of the economic slowdown Knowing it's been kind of a moving somewhat of a target I'd say The larger ones Are so if you talk about the state, I mean the governor's Been almost in parallel with us. We might have been talking about it, you know Six months a year earlier, but the governor has been very concerned about it in his last year budget messages The largest cities are definitely they've got, you know, whole budget divisions and departments. That's all they do I just think governments are working so hard trying to figure out what's going on right now So not everybody's You know there yet, maybe But I think they they they will shortly And they feel sorry if I may they feel quite certain that that will be the timeline to anticipate the economic slowdown I think it's not even government I mean, I think if you're listening to anybody in the business community anybody in the investment markets anybody any bankers They're all saying the same thing It's not if it's not when it's at we're near the end. Um, there's a lot of signs You know when things are going so hot unemployment is so historically low those things were just not sustainable Consumer debt is going up not down. That's not sustainable Wages aren't keeping pace with that. That's not sustainable. There are a lot of market factors happening the stock market What's going on there is maybe not sustainable world changes china There's there's just a lot of things out there that are bigger risk factors that indicate it's it's You know our average is five five and a half years of a recovery period right in the year nine That alone is that's just an interesting data point. So I think if we weren't we'd be Dangerous if we weren't planning for it No, I think that's why sort of the the fact that we are at nine and where our average is five and a half is sort of The component that gives pause in terms of well, we've been sort of anticipating But now it's been four and a half years later and you know, so I think I think for interesting I think for us we've slid it out by six months like a couple years ago We were thinking you know to hit mostly in 19. I think now we were Just moderately it's probably towards the end of 19. Of course. I mean, we're not predicting that we certainly don't want that to happen But we've got a factor in the what if So are you thinking in terms of forecasting out five years or do you go longer or shorter? Is that what you're thinking? No, I'm just I mean, I'm just curious I think it's been a really interesting time for our economy And I think if we're anticipating an economic slowdown, but it's been changing and kind of a different time I think Budgeting's conservatively knowing that that might not necessarily. I don't know I mean, I'm just I don't track it to the level that you do So I was just sort of looking for more insight Do any cities forecast out longer than five years because that's what we use like a five-year kind of horizon Do any use a longer period to see what's on the horizon? You know, I've got peers that do 10 or 20 years and they'll tell me very directly I don't want to misquote them, but it's irrelevant You you go out three years anything beyond that and it's just you're just no matter what data points you use You know the world's a big place now We're you know one national one world economy not just in california not just the country I can tell you that locally amongst my peers They're all talking about the slowdown and anticipating something in the next few years. Yeah, okay I mean, it's just something to know Just a couple just a couple other observations one, I think to a councilmember norian's point about Looking at how we tell our story. I think that was really an important takeaway Components from our conversation with the focus group and kind of feedback and there was a really great Comparison of an individual struggling with the cost of living and how you know the budget of an individual is similar Even though we're seeing the economy doing well kind of there's a parallel in terms of how our government's doing in that way Um, I just want to highlight what I think was mentioned by the mayor in terms of really if we're looking at these Projected fiscal challenges coming up. I think it's really important that we be very thoughtful about our investments and how we're able to Evaluate what we're getting for the money that we're spending as well as And what we're and so we're able to make really informed decisions in terms of how we plan to Make cuts or changes and evolutions to our our financing and our services We're anticipating that we're going to have to do that and I think it's really important that we have Numbers ideally doesn't necessarily but we want to have some proxy measurements If not in terms of being able to say Are we getting what we want for the service that we're investing in and that could be I mean? I think that's across the board and that's the anticipation with some of the community programs that we're expecting for them to also return to us for so I think it's It's really critical that we we'd be mindful of how we're going to do that and potentially our group can discuss strategies for that moving forward I think I'll leave my other questions for later, but thank you again for the presentation in the process. It was great so Again, these are questions on the entire budget because we've kind of reduced the amount number of days that we do the budget hearings to Provide at least more focused discussion and any other questions that other council members may have Okay, I'll go after you chris. Go ahead Thanks One general question I had Marcus I noticed that there's a few cities that do two-year budget cycles Do you do see any recommendation on is that I what's the positive and negative about that? Why not five? But um Soviet Union then I think three is a as a good goal What most of the cities who're doing that? They adopt they still have an adopted one year and they have a plan for the second year I mean, I think what what I'm proud of is we have a five-year forecast plan and how to get there Um, but I wouldn't be opposed to a three-year adopted budget. Um You know, so I think it makes sense if there are work plans or council goals You know two or three-year work plans that you have a budget that aligns with that strategy so that you're consistently applying it um But I think it's a policy direction. Um, but I think staff would be open to Looking at um, you know an adopted not just a plan for that second year, but adopted second and possibly third year Thank you. Um, next question. I saw bob nelson here And I don't get to ask this question very often on the index of page 85 of the projected estimate fund balance for landfill Close your fund. Just wondering how do you figure this out? How does how do we plan to close a landfill and I see the revenue going up about 75 thousand dollars? And I'm just wondering how that happened morning Both of those that and the um the maintenance Fund are both uh state mandated. So they actually set the parameters for their percentage or how do they figure that out? I'm not sure I'll have to get back to you on that for the exact. I'm sorry to put on I thought maybe, you know Uh, because it's very interesting, you know to me, you know, you're thinking about and what do we have in the projected closure of our landfill? How many years? Uh about another 40 keeps going out So hopefully not in my lifetime, uh, well, well, we hope it's in your life Thank you. Um, I see that the uh, Chris, can I ask a follow-up on that? Yeah I think you mentioned it, but there was an article recently about a lot of the recycles Up in oregon and other places. There's not the market shrinking for those Is that is that impacting our city in any way? Yes Can you comment on that in terms of revenue or even uh capacity at our landfill? Well at this point, we're not we're not getting rid of any recyclables But we're sitting on a lot of stockpiled material hoping that stuff will eventually open up But um orders for recyclable materials are going down quite a bit Most of the bigger places, uh You know your waste management your green waste recovery are actually renting storehouses to store material It's getting that bad One of the things is because we've been a little more restrictive in what we accept in our recyclable Stream our curbside particularly We're not having the problems getting rid of as much of the materials as some of the other agencies are But one of the reasons I think didn't china abruptly sort of make one of their authoritarian master decisions We are not going to take this stuff anymore. Yes, right Yeah for the entire month of may essentially but now So a lot of the material was going to it started going to thailand and vietnam and india And now you're seeing all of those markets shrink back and they're actually restricting next imports for there too And what about does that how does that impact revenue for the budget if if at all? Um, it'll impact it a little bit, but we're still going to keep it out You know the thing about revenues for recyclable materials is they always fluctuate. They are commodities So we kind of anticipate that when we project out. So we don't project out as high as it could be But um, so we should say we're we're pretty close to This year being right on target. All right. Thanks Hey next comment was um page it was page 68 on the library budget was um Just really interesting, you know, I was going through it with marcus and I didn't see you know brands of fordian garfield are getting remodeled and there's a nice article in the good times that came out today about Those remodels. So I was cause wondering what where's the millions of dollars going here? And uh, they've actually they're in contract to begin the remodeling that you did. Is that a just a state? That's just a comment. I'm glad. I'm glad to see that. Yeah um the uh The golfy issue and I'm wondering where we're at on that because I know There was movement on it uh with malo and then um He's not with us and so I'm just wondering where we're at on that right now and how that might affect the budget in a positive way and if you could talk about The golf course I don't I see expenditures, but I don't see revenues from the golf course in the budget and it might be here I just don't see it. I don't think when we were talking yesterday We we couldn't find it or was it there or just not seeing it It's In revenues, but it's not to call that out as a separate line I am we'll we'll work on that for the next cycle to make sure it's it's still there That was an accounting change that triggered how it's presented differently and because I'm an accountant not always a budget first You know, we'll make sure we get that back in there as far as just an informational piece We had a similar column with cannabis cannabis is a small revenue, but it's lost in our other revenue categories So we want to pull that out as well Good morning, um mayor and council members morning for five more minutes at least carol scourge inner and parks and recreation director um golf course fees increased in may and um we had originally talked about Increase in the fees at a little bit higher rate than what we ended up doing we increased them by only four dollars The talk was definitely to increase them by ten dollars, but really realistically we looked at um the restaurant And the golf course services really completely cut back. They're completely shut down So really wanting to want not wanting to cut back on people coming up there by increasing the fees We felt that we would do nominally At the beginning of the fiscal year and then once the golf course is back fully operational The lodge the restaurant everything is back in great operation Towards the end of the fiscal um towards the end of the calendar year that we would increase them again But we even with this nominal increase we're looking at um increased by at least a hundred thousand dollars and are and I think that's very Modest and really conservative figure, and I think it will definitely increase How many rounds of golf are there again about 50,000 and um, so when you say uh 100,000 like a lot of folks are We're compensating or we're comping a certain group seniors or or high school students could four dollars times 50,000 would be 200,000 But but that's um You're correct. That's just it's just when you look at 50,000 rounds That's um looking at a variety of different things and really comps really come most of them We have about a thousand of our youth and our schools that um are not paying for their golf Course fees because of their teams. Um, we are reduction in youth Fees reduction in senior fees. There's yearly fees that are different So if there's a variety of ways that we come up with that hundred thousand dollars the council totally supports that I mean those I mean I think people who can pay can pay and and we're gonna You know protect our youth and and seniors. Oh, I agree completely I'm just giving you know just letting you know and I know you appreciate that now that I have you up here too I wanted about the harvey west pool is that What is there any cost that would take to open that on the weekends? Do we have a figure in mind at all? Well, that's an interesting question because the pool is open on the weekends We have a recreational swim every day of the week and it's a little bit longer on the weekends We still do have lessons But we're open between noon and three on sundays and I think between 12 30 and 2 30 on saturdays And um Is that year-round No, we only open up the large pool for 10 weeks out of the summer The rest of the year which it is approximately march Through october we're open for lessons and some recreational swim as well only in what we call the instructional pool But not the large 25-yard pool Uh councilmember krone councilmember brown had a follow-up follow-up and you Councilmember krone asked the question that I was going to ask about the green fees So thank you for that um went with respect to the harvey west pool. I'm just wondering if um You could talk about what the cost might be for Maintaining operations year-round even just for on the weekends Well, that's a difficult question and I I can give you a really general broad answer to that We could not just open on weekends What where the major majority of the cost comes from the pool is in the the energy costs So that's the tricky part of a pool is once you open it up You really you know to close it up and down costs more than it costs just to keep it maintaining operationally and then there's the the cost for staff That would be the second cost and again once you're open up that pool You have to constantly maintain it with with maintenance and then having your lifeguards on service So if we were to open up the pool We would try to to maximize the use of it as much as possible So, you know after school in the evenings for lap swim and then and then on the weekends Back if you know my best recollection is back in 2008 when we closed the pool Back really ratcheted way down I think the subsidy if I remember incorrectly was like $250,000 and again, please, you know, that's my best recollection of that I'm not you know, I'm not sure if it includes all the maintenance costs Because some of that cost is in the in the parks budget as opposed to the pool being in the recreation budget But I think now, um, you know 11 years later Well, you know 10 years later. Excuse me. I'm those costs are going to be higher. So but but then revenue, you know We would increase the cost for entrance and less and so I just think it really takes some really serious looking at it Vice mayor walkins I just wanted to follow up on that because I too was interested in the pool And I appreciated a conversation with you carol in advance One of the things that I know we discussed when we spoke was the potential of looking at innovative solutions for the cost for operating the pool in terms of potential funding sources for How to potentially look at other ways like solar or something like that I'm just curious if you have any input or insights that you want to share or you'd be open to sharing with the council about that Well, I think nothing more than probably the obvious is that we have We do have solar at the pool But it's strictly and it was put in quite a few years ago strictly for the showers And so but that's you know in the looking at the total percentage of what it costs to to run the pool That's minimal. It's really the heating of the pools themselves And I think it is a perfect opportunity to to partner with um, you know public works and um Our energy efficient team to really look at what it would take to really bring in solar and divided different ways to really Make it much more cost effective because that is you know, the majority of the costs for that for the operation of the pool along with staffing as well Thank you If I may ask a follow-up question Having just come from a Monterey Bay community power meeting. Sorry. I was late You know, we there are potentially some opportunities there for future Funding and I know that's a longer term endeavor than getting the pool reopened year round now um, just wondering if you've been thinking about that and How we might be able to help facilitate that as the city representative to well, we're really looking at in and all our areas You know for specifically we're looking at bringing online The efficient lights um for our ball fields, which we are super excited about so Absolutely looking at it all the time and I know public work staff is constantly looking at it in all our facilities and if You know, we thought about it over the years at the pool and then timing just wasn't right and funding But if it's something that we're seriously looking at I I'm sure that Our staff as well as um our public work staff Would absolutely put our heads together and see what's available again. I know it's challenging I know that funding is limited, but it's a great opportunity Let me ask just a quick question. Is the climate action fund would that be um, would this be an eligible project for that? I absolutely think so. Um, again, those funds are limited. I think this year we spent 60 000 That that was available. I think that grows year after year and I think it's that is absolutely an eligible project all right Any other questions councilmember crown. Yeah, the one on the the golf course the expenditures and revenues Is there some way we could get a um a report on that uh, we're running a deficit? What is that deficit at the golf course? Um, how can we help with that deficit or if there is a deficit? We can bring you uh And go ahead No, please quickly looked at the revenues because you were wondering about the um breakout that marcus was referring to so The golf course fee the expected revenue was 1.1 million For 19 and then we were expecting 80 000 for the concession. So I didn't Bring up the expenditures, but I did grab the revenue really quickly And am I reading this right on page p parks and rec the page eight? the Fiscal year works we're thinking 2.2 million is going to be what we're going to put out and it sounds like About 1.2 million was collected and then add another hundred thousand So would it be fair to say we might be running a million dollars in the deficit? Is that does that? It's from the golf course Correct the expenditures are 2.1 is the listing So it seems to me that that's correct. Um And to answer your question for not only the golf course, but all of our facilities loud nelson community center the civic auditorium The wharf we're always looking at ways to try to make it cost neutral It's a challenge and I I know this has been on the radar Along with some of our other facilities And we're always looking at that and trying to do that balance of increasing fees and yet losing people So it's it's something, you know with our class, you know class programs our special events everything We're constantly looking at that Just while you're still up here on this, what's the status of the golf club course building remodel? That's a good question. Um public works. Um, my copper in particular has been fantastic and managing that project And um, we've really run into he's run into I love this, you know communal we but mike has really run into a lot of problems As you can imagine with an old building and doing remodels, but we're looking at hopefully Reopening that facility at the end of this year of this calendar year Mike's getting ready to get finished up with most of the improvements that are necessary on the city's part and then our Concessionaires will take over and do their tenant improvements and get it open So we're really hopeful that we'll be online before the end of the year. Great. Thank you I have a few other questions on different areas. Um, you know during our budget discussions. We had You know, we questioned like the charge back for enterprise funds And so I'd like to talk with marcus about this Whether or not the city's evaluated whether we are Fully charging costs to the appropriate enterprise fund and I'm thinking more along the lines of if you have Administrative overhead, let's say the city manager's office or department head is working on a particular project Are we are we? Fully charging those times to the enterprise appropriate enterprise account. Yeah during Almost over a two-year period 15 and 16 leading up to our 17 fee study we The that cost allocation was reviewed That fed our fee study And so we've determined as recently as last april that we are fully allocating all the costs appropriately to all of our enterprise operations Great. Sorry. That was a question of mine. I have a thought Do you do that study on a regular basis to ensure that that's accurate as people? Yeah, I mean a best practice is every three to five years It's costly and as our staff many of them were here and might still bear the scars of it It's a very big lift to do It's not just a little finance behind the scenes. It's it's testing time spent on a lot of things. So Three years is the soonest five years probably more than norm Okay, and then the other was you know, we've seen the state budget now They're taking some of the surpluses to allocate for homeless funding and programs Do you know whether or not the city's eligible for reimbursement for any of the costs that we've spent during the fiscal year? That's probably To be Returned back to question. I would think we might be but I don't know Maybe I'd ask that we get engaged the you know, our legislative Consultants in Sacramento to see if that's something where you know one is part of the legislation Whether or not we can charge back the the monies that have been spent and at least seek reimbursement That's done in this fiscal year Okay, so that was just comment Um, and then where is the cost of the phase one and proposed phase two homeless? Response found in the budget. I mean, how do we how are we accounting for that? That's in the city manager's Budget, we don't we haven't designated it in that way per se There's funding there for one a shelter as well as for other homeless services. So it's all in that sheet Summary sheet that we also provided community programs and services line. Yes. So that there's a sheet that was provided that has all those grouped together the The non it has the core and then it has the non core allocations as well, okay Then um, I just I was curious because I it's the first time I've kind of noted that but in the city council account it looks like The full counts of the count the full cost of the council is not borne by the general fund Does some of that get charged to an enterprise account? Yes Yeah, we allocate You know all of the it's on page ccp6 administrative functions as well as the council And then it looks like the city council Account budget was reduced by seven percent from the prior year there was I just wondered what the process was in terms of how you look at the the budget that's assigned to the council In terms of engaging with the council as far as what the estimates are for the year. Uh, good afternoon Yes, good afternoon. I'm your process councilmembers. Teenage social assistant city manager And um, I wasn't sure where the number you came up with over 67 thousand dollar reduction because that's not what I could find I know you'd inquired about this earlier The one reduction that we made to the council's budget had to do with your special projects account And this project special projects account does have a bit of history. You've also talked about it during the fy 18 mid-year cuts So um in fiscal years 2014 through 2016 there was five thousand dollars in that account In 17 and 18 i'm sorry in 17 it was increased to $8,000 and then um for fiscal year 18 The current fiscal year we had put in $50,000 thinking that council might have unanticipated needs But there was no designated purpose for it and so what in the proposed 19 budget that was reset back to $8,000 And you might recall that in your mid-year adjustments that was reduced to 35 thousand dollars But when we've looked at your expenditure, you've not really spent it You've spent about 10 to 60 percent of a much lower amount And so that was a 27 thousand dollar difference from 35 thousand dollars to 8 thousand And we're um, thanks for that if we did I think we vote mid-year to keep that that amount You reduced it from 50 to 35 thousand dollars, but you did not draw it all the way down to eight Yeah, and that would show up under the services supplies and other charges Line so you have personnel services if you're looking on page city council six And the second line is a roll-up of services supplies and other charges And that's one of the line items in there The actual delta there is about 35 thousand dollars and the additional difference has to do with Reducing that city hall patrol services and mark has talked about that earlier That's only for the additional daytime patrol when we had a lot of activity and unsafe things were happening We'd increase patrols here during the day and we've decided that things are safer and calmer We want to eliminate that patrol and save a hundred thousand dollars to the budget And that's your cost-allocated share of those patrols And and the seven percent was just the reduction from the fiscal year 2017 actual to the fiscal year 2019 proposed. Oh, you're looking to 2017 Yeah, that was the year because the actual that was there All right, and I think the difference there if you look farther down as we Move some money around so if you if you follow the fy 17 actuals down And you'll see expenditures by activity if you're looking at the sheet You'll see city council then city council special projects and services at 98 thousand dollars That was separated and moved to a few different accounts. We talked about that last year during the budget hearings So some of that that money stayed in your account and others went to Under the city managers because the council wanted us to consolidate a lot of these Social type programs. So that's probably the distortion effect you're seeing there So if there was a council program, what would you will we go to through the city managers fund or how would you how would you Allocate the cost if there was something proposed by the council for a council program or a project Well, I think it would depend on the nature of that The council requested that we consolidate all the social services programs under the city manager's office And we did that if the council wanted to have an ongoing program You act in fact do have one you have open streets And that appears under your activity. So if you wanted to add something that would appear in your budget So you have open streets you also have It's looking at your detail. You also have the holiday luncheon for the city that falls under your budget Thank you very much You have some money for professional services and that's what helped paid for the management partner's report that the comparator report you received You have training money and then you've got some special projects and services So if you had something that was an ongoing nature, it would be programmed as a line item upon your direction If it's a one-off expenditure, we would confirm where that expenditure comes from And then it would just be paid out that year as an expenditure as opposed to living in the budget Okay Hey, thanks. Thank you follow-up question. Um, how about the The money that we receive in terms of salary. Is that in personnel services? It is And do you call it a salary or a stipend? It's I think called a salary because I think that's how the municipal code resource do it as well Charter the chart notes in the municipal. Yeah the charter. Yeah, you receive a salary It's in Santa Cruz municipal code chapter 1.18 compensation of mayors and council members Each council member shall receive a salary of and then it details the net the amount And that includes your salary and benefits as well and other associated variable costs Can you do a back of the envelope quickly? If we were to take the 5% increase this year, how much would that equal? Um, I can go to run that number right now. Thanks just one follow-up to this is someone someone had emailed us a question about the Community TV remember we had that discussion where we changed the way the fees are assigned and I think during that budget Meeting or discussion. There was a question about where those funds reside in our budget and how they're paid out Do you know if there was any sort of response to that? Yeah, martin or i'm sorry marcus and I had a follow-up And I believe that they do appear in our budget as an in and out and we can track down that exact location to show You and also the question was about could some of the the peg fees we take and help pay to The cost for um cable casting some of your advisory body meetings And the answer to that is no they cannot because those funds are restricted to pay for capital costs only So for instance, we were talking about we pass those through to community tv That pays their lease costs their equipment purchases. So things that are defined as capital under state law definitions and To pay a fee to cable cast a meeting would be an operating cost Similar to we pay actually an hourly rate to cable cast your meetings So it'd be similar so it would have to it would not be eligible to come out of that that peg fee revenue source But I will council member chrono. We'll go run that five percent for the mayor and council member salary And marcus i'll email it to you Then I had a question public works questions. Um, there was some about One I know there's costs assigned to like infrastructure improvements and the cip item 47. I think or page 47 It Wondered if there was a policy which supports the installation of traffic circles or roundabouts rather than signals So when we look at how we allocate budget, I know they used to be listed in the The cip where you'd say either or where you'd show what projects But you know for estimating projects, how do you determine? You know what the process is to decide whether or not going to do one or the other Is that roundabouts and traffic circles are less expensive? True. Good afternoon jimber transportation manager, um, we don't have an official policy And largely is determined by the size and geometry of the intersection And the nature of the improvement we're making out there if we're just replacing a traffic signal controller Obviously, we're not going to redo the whole thing So really every every situation is different So that would be something that would be proposed to one of the advisory bodies or how do you What's the process? Yes early in the process Typically if we apply for grants, that's the first time you'll see it with the application project Thanks, and then the other was um, the clean beaches Clean rivers and beach fund. I saw that there was $50,000 assigned this year Can you tell us a little bit about what those funds are going to be used for? I think they're going to ask. I gave the questions in advance, so Okay, well, why don't I ask a different question at this time If there's can you in terms of the ev charging expansion on city lots Can you charge a little bit of the background? I think it's great that we're going to be working for working on these over the next year These are expansion of the ev charging station on our city lots Can I get a little bit of project background on what we're going to be doing? So mayor council members climate action and sustainability manager tiffani wise west So the ev expansion project that's in the cip is a result of a three-year Electric vehicle enhancement kind of plan that we've put together with public works that includes a consideration of capacity issues to manage those types of projects We do estimate that that project will take a little over a year to likely develop With the air district. We are anticipating air district funding for this We do see a need for increased charging most likely in the next couple years That it has come that understanding has come as a result of An ev owner survey that we conducted last year as part of our ev Public ev charging needs and use study um, and so that's really kind of a high level background on What's planned? We don't know exact locations yet. All of that is Will be determined through the design process as we're Looking at potential infrastructure needs locations and so forth. When might we see them out out in the field? Um likely two years from now. Okay. All right. Great. Thanks. You're welcome um, I had another question in regards to The status of the Schaefer Road project. I know or if you want to add it I got your information on the um, the 50 000 for clean beaches mark Dettel director public works Um 40 000 of that is for the trash capture project at state. It's a state requirement that um improving the collection of debris in catch basins, um in our stormwater system And then there's 10 000 for uh, save the waves cow working group Great. Thank you. Follow up. How they using how the caps work or do we do we have to be out separately? That's part of the study the 40 000 is trying to figure that out because um, the requirement Within 10 years is to capture debris as small as a cigarette butt And so trying to figure that out with all of our catch basins is is a challenge So we'll be working with a consultant to figure that out as technology improves in that area So just I don't know if this is go ahead Follow up question because consultants are on my mind at the moment. Um In these uh, you know difficult budgetary times how um, so will you be working with a consultant at let me just Paul park figure how much would that cost for a consultant to You know, we don't we don't have the proposal at this point But that's something that we'll be looking at because the technology is advancing in this um, sometimes technology drives regulation and sometimes regulation drives technology and in this case The state kind of got out in front of the technology So all cities are kind of trying to adjust to this new requirement So we're going to be monitoring what's going on and then we'll have somebody come in and look at our specific system and see How it can be adapted So I'm a couple other questions public works questions Can you talk a little bit about the status of the Schaefer road project? And there was a question that came up in terms of project proposals on the west side and what's going on regards to having a new connection off of Sure, um, there's a jimber again. There's a potential new project Out on the west edge of town Um across from where the current homeless garden project is operating With the potential project out there comes a potential street improvements of schaefer road that fronts part of that property And a potential connection both for emergency services and for general use of the railroad tracks If the project doesn't move forward, it's not likely the schaefer road will move forward But um with the again with the potential improvements That's when we want to take it full advantage of any development that happens out there I understood the schaefer road that um the kind of the the grade crossing that's been in the in the Capital improvement program for a long time. So you're saying that it if that development doesn't happen It's not going to be pursued. Yeah, we're looking to um get only one half of the road is built out there So without the other half, um, I suppose a project could move forward But it would we would be our best to make it all happen. Okay, especially given the budget amount in the cip Can you also one of the big projects? I think everybody's looking forward to I think is um the segment seven for the rail trail And on cip 66. Can you talk a little bit about like what's happening? There sure segment seven is um The final plans and specs are being produced. I believe today And we'll stamp them and sign them and put them out the bid That's for phase one of the project that goes from Bay street to the um Uh out to um natural bridges drive And uh phase two, hopefully will be within um Six months to eight months behind So in terms of when when might we see a response of bitter and have a groundbreaking for 27 all right Uh, how quick you want us to build it? Um while he while he's mayor No, I mean, I just want to see I want to be able to ride on it while I'm I'm still here Nine months. How about that? Oh Probably take a little longer. Oh really? Okay Um give it a year. I oh, I thought we were gonna look at at august Oh, you actually want to start the project absolutely Yeah, we got it. We got it started in order to finish it three three months and you can lift the shovel the dirt All right. Yeah, and then um the other I didn't know if this is your area too But the bike locker replacement that was on cip page 95 Yes, uh, we had scheduled that originally over two years and the downtown commission Really wanted to see it move forward faster. And so we accelerated the funding to be to all happen next year Unfortunately, we've lost some of our staffing in the traffic engineering division So we're gonna be hard-pressed again to get that all done, but that's why it's all in that first year So if you approve it, that's what that's how we'll right proceed I plan to I was just wondering if like we also include any sort of cameras or anything when we look at doing Garage improvements. So we have at least better surveillance so that when we put these lockers in there's You know opportunities to kind of make sure that they're also protected for garages. We do For the bike lockers, we've only ever had two incidents as long as our lockers have been in place and we're actually getting rid of the The older style lockers and go more at the metro style And again, even with those two incidents, we're not entirely sure they were locked correctly So we think they're pretty theft-proof And so cameras are not included that would be an expensive add to the locker program In terms of you and just the garages though, I mean when you look at any sort of improvements Do you is that something that you consider when you're making those recommendations as well? We do and we included updated camera Install with our latest lot 10 Equipment replacement. Okay. Yeah. Well, I always appreciate going through the public works There's so much you're doing even when we saw the management partners report It's like covers the gamut. I mean, I think every mission critical service is for the city So when you're not working people know it. Thank you And may I just say when you're working people also know it because it took me a little while to get here That's a result A couple questions about the recycling garbage I just see on page 104 of the index there's 39 and a half fte's for solid waste worker. Is there is that include also the uh, The recycling trucks is everybody in the under the same category Bob Nelson public works Um, I'm sorry. Could you repeat the which the solid waste worker on page 104? There's 39.5 fte's like is that include Both trucks like the solid waste as well as the recycling. Yes So there's no separation of categories like that or we just have one solid waste worker That's the drivers. So okay and um Composting do we have any um date when we might have a composting project in Santa Cruz? We have we have the pilot project going on right now for food waste Um, so our equipment is ordered Uh, we've got about 120 day lead time still left So we anticipate, you know, probably You know somewhere Neuro November or something we should be operational and be able to start expanding that currently we're taking material over to Santa Clara to be processed So once we have the equipment on site, we'll be able to process it here. Thanks When I know we're gonna wrap up at 12 30 and then we'll come back and I know there may be questions after that But one thing I was asking about was, you know, I noticed in this there was a in the HR department. There was a Um stretch assignment policy and I just thought that was really kind of something that we should all Want to hear about in terms of how we engage some of our employees and different assignments in the city So I wanted to know what the stretch assignment policy was and how does it help the city both like from a employee standpoint and also financially Well, thank you. Lisa Murphy the HR director for the city of Santa Cruz. Thank you for the opportunity to tell you about that program actually the genesis was your policy setting one of your strategic plans was Employee engagement and so we did an employee engagement survey and from that survey was professional and personal growth opportunities So one of the ideas was a stretch assignment and basically what that is another enhancement in training opportunities for employees so they may not have Let's say budget experience or recruitment experience and they want to get that so that they can move up that next level So we give them opportunity to stretch and train in that Program so they can then put on the resume that they've done it Just a quick great example that how it's been implemented was in planning They had several individuals trying to move up to the next level and didn't have supervisory skills And you don't just get to work out of class and gain that because you don't have that skill So they had the opportunity to do a stretch program and gain that so then an individual internally was able to promote We have another really great example going on over in it Where we have a stretch assignment where somebody from parks is going to go over and learn a new assignment So it's a really wonderful opportunity It's not paid because again it's training and it's purely voluntary and we monitor it We set goals and then mark achievements for it So when someone goes into a stretch assignment and let's say it's voluntary They're moving above whatever position they're in does that experience Qualify them for advancement opportunities in the city. It does. Yeah. Yeah, it gives them that opportunity particularly I'll just use in my own department the ability for a Toronto recruitment Which you don't have an experience but will mentor and train you so when you go for that that position you can put that down Great, thank you. Thank you let's see there was Some a question I can hold over because we're going to go on break right now, but Is there anything we want to talk about before we take break for lunch? Just two quick questions for water This may have already come up and I apologize, but I have one on parking Okay, well, um, we're just I mean we can also if you want to do that No, we're talking about taking a 12 30 lunch. Um, we could continue three minutes. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah Thank you rosemary River coordinator, I don't see it on page 105 of the index where all the water Folks are located Jobs is is that in here? it's in the water department and it's uh currently in our operations division and our sort of watershed compliance section The position we retain the funding for it's actually fund out of the water enterprise fund at the moment and we are Planning on doing a kind of a citywide assessment to try to define what the role is more clearly sometime during fiscal 19 and Then make a decision about how it should be funded and going forward where it should be located, etc But it's a little bit of a we held the position And and some resources so that we could go forward with it, but um, we haven't we're going to do a process before we get there Will it be called a river coordinator or something else? I don't know Water shed manager. Um the ranger you you have um seven and a half ranger positions in water Yes, they're at Loch Lomond How many total rangers that's all thanks. I just want how many tall rangers do we have in the city? Does anyone know or 16 19 I think if i'm calculating correctly with I did um rosemary say seven seven and a half and then with the current ones that we have in parks and recreation That would be 13 for we're staying in parks and recreation and nine going over to um pd So total if I think about 20 20 and a half. Thanks a lot That's more brown So my I'm just trying to figure out the parking fund we have Deficit on its index number at page 88 in fund seven four one Um, and I'm just trying to figure out how how it is that we're like What are we drawing down on to get us to this kind of a deficit on in the parking fund? Um And how do we figure out where the the line item is for fines? I think we talked a little bit about this the other day, but I'm still trying to figure it out. I'm confused So the the the fund balance is just a snapshot in time. Marcus feel free to correct me Yeah, are you just want to jump in let me jump in just quickly It includes all capital projects assuming they're all going to be done by the end of this month That's not likely. So that's what impacts that we know projects last a long time You're not seeing we aspire to councilman crown and say Matthews earlier Not only do we aspire to have a multi-year budget we aspire to have a longer term cip plan So you can see the year 2021 22 and you can it'll make more sense when you see those future years out there As it presented right now it just the budget stays so it we can't get rid of the budget It's been improved in the past, but it makes it look funny It assumes it's going to be all spent It's the biggest anomaly And um, marlin did send me those and I'll just forward it to the whole council How much was collected in meter fees and how much was collected in revenue from fines? Um, mr. Grandland just sent that to me this morning okay All right, so we're right at 12 30 and so I think if there's questions that people have while they're having their lunch And they can come up we can bring them back when we get here at about let's we'll say one 10 or so one 10 and we'll regroup back here And we're going to close the chamber so that the clerk and everyone has a chance to also break at the same time so Um, we'll be back here at uh one 10 We maybe marcus if you could put back up the schedule just so we have a Or bonnie So we went through uh budget presentations which I believe the materials for the budget are in the back Left-hand side If you were here this morning you heard about some of the outreach that took place over the last several weeks where we set up a Community focus group. We also had a public meeting that was on may 31st and we also engaged with an outside Consulting firm to do a peer review of our budget compared with other similar cities those presentations were made by um finance director marcus pimentel And we are now at a point where we are going to um You the public to hear from you regarding Our budget for the proposed year and then we will bring it back to city council discussion and additional questions that may come Following your comments. So at this point, I'd like to See if any member of the public would like to speak to um this item. It's our loan item It's our city budget. Is there any member of the public here that would like to speak if you could if you'd line up to My left on this call and we'll we'll get going you'll have two minutes per uh speaker Yeah, yeah, you sure you're first standing there and you're at the mic So you will give you the time just just one second before you begin. Okay Whenever you're ready bonnie Anyone you are Go ahead start. My name is taylor barcroft I'd like to encourage you to use some of the The mirror the cannabis sales tax money to help perpetuate meals on wheels I know it's a government. It's a federal program, but it still needs local subsidy and uh Also, I'd like you to consider looking into Making all the food organic and meals on wheels because the non-organic food is not necessarily Contribute to longevity and older people So I know that's a long-term goal might not be met while we're still alive But I think that ultimately it should go all organic if you look at the prices of organic food at costco It's really inexpensive. It's not this and sometimes it might be less expensive than non-organic food So it's something to consider even if part of the meals can be organic It would be great if you get if they could do that and then identify which parts are organic so, um All told I mean the the meals on wheels is more than just nutrition though. It's a social thing I go specifically to interact with other people because otherwise i'm alone home alone for the rest of my life So it's really important to me as a social Process that I can interact with fellow seniors Um Monday through friday Thank you for your consideration. Thank you, sir next speaker, please Good afternoon, mayor and council members. My name is carly memley I'm the program director for suicide prevention service and also work with family service agency of the central coast We've been a long time service provider in the community and we provide both 24-hour crisis counseling services As well as in-person individual family and group and couples counseling In a wide range of ways for people who are young adults elders We're very proud for continuing our partnership with the city. We're very appreciative for the years of funding and support I'm sure that you'll agree that even in years where we are experiencing flat funding That still isn't really flat funding as our expenses go up We over the last few years have had a market increase in demand for our services people in our community Are struggling and needing support With flat or even reduced funding We're doing our very best not to let the safety net of our services be further eroded where we might not be able to meet that need Meanwhile, we're doing our best to meet the demands for evidence-based practices and Integrating new and innovative technologies and approaches to serving our clients and meeting the community's needs for crisis intervention For suicide prevention for counseling and for community based mental health provision We are concerned that any further reductions in the funding for services may have Significant long-term and short-term and medium-term Impacts for our community that in the end may actually be even more costly to repair or to regenerate or restart the services that We have thought so hard to continue So we're very appreciative for your support and ask for you to do everything in your power to avoid any further reductions in that And we are more than willing to be a partner in coming up with innovative and creative ways to do that Working together with the other programs that are here with our community members To try and make sure that we're strengthening that safety net of services rather than degrading it further So thank you for your time and thank you for your hard work on the budget. I'm sure it's not an easy process Thank you next speaker, please Good afternoon city council. My name is drew clever. I am a local resident and community organizer here in santa Cruz And I just wanted to come and talk about the budget in general But specifically about your community programs budgeting and how that's being allocated In my opinion, there's a lot of aspects of the budget that need to be revisited For a variety of reasons Especially with regards to need and priorities Reverend william barber who is leading the poor people's campaign movements across the country It says that a city budget is a moral document And it illustrates the priorities and values that the city has of what they feel is the most important And what they feel deserves focus and energy Recently unfortunately the city council decided to cut the new avista community resources budget by 25 000 While simultaneously funding twice that amount on a pump track for mountain bikes Now that program offers services to community members that are in need that are vulnerable and that deserve support from the city but unfortunately It was chosen to cut the program. I understand that today there's the possibility of cutting additional funding from cab the community action board of up towards of 200 000 Now this is a countywide program or organization granted, but they have programs that serve our city in That's the way to say this These are essential programs No matter how you cut it no matter how you split it And so I believe that if we go back and look at the budget and reallocate some funds, especially with regards to some of the Improvement or construction projects that are proposed and some of the money that's being held for that It's my understanding that there's the possibility that the warf environmental impact report is reaching its expiration date Which would require another environmental impact report for a project that is not even Yeah, it's received a lot of community pushback because of the planning process from the city and the planning department That can cost tens of thousands of dollars So if we're allocating money into these projects, but not following through with them, it's like throwing the money away Thank you very much. Thank you Next speaker, please Please hold for one second councilmember noroyan. There is something a factual Issue I'd like to bring up. I keep hearing this figure that we have a proposal to cut To cut community programs 200 000 dollars I've been told that that's actually 50 000 dollars. Is there a way to get a correction on that? You know, you know what? I think it might be a best at this point if we could hold that question I appreciate it. We'll put it down and then as people come up and speak I know you're I know that what you're what you'd like to do is prevent people from maybe You know comment on something that might be factually incorrect So if there is a staff member that wants to come in and speak to that at a certain point We can get that response, but let's just maybe continue with the public comments I was hoping it could be steeped in reality What was if we go forward with the conversation? There's well, I guess I I've seen responses that came back To the group. So it does have that information as well. Okay, but um, I mean, you know There's times where we get comments from you know people that want to express issues that that are that they're That they would like to communicate to the council. So if there's a response From the city staff in regards to what that amount is we can we can take it as the speakers continue Okay, next speaker, please Good afternoon first, thank you all for your service to our community and representing your constituents I know you're making lots of really difficult decisions today and In your roles here at the city council. My name is Joanna Edmonds and this is Nia Um And I'm here today to represent the parents of children who attend the santa cruz toddler care center Which relies on city funding through the community programs portion of the budget And we're really extremely concerned that you've proposed a $200,000 cut to the already very small community programs portion of Your 2018 fiscal year budget The santa cruz toddler care center relies on city funding To provide high quality child care at affordable rates for a diverse population And they've already weathered cuts of over 40 in the past years continued cuts to this program are not going to be sustainable And could result in higher rates for parents like myself Um, I'm like I said, I'm representing the other parents who are also Hard working and they couldn't come today because they're at work While our children are in the care of the toddler center We are at work in their community as teachers doctors social workers small business owners professors government employees retail shop managers mental health professionals Transportation planning professionals oceanographers public defenders nurses and many other professions Without an affordable high quality care options such as the toddler center I and other parents would not be able to work these much needed jobs that make a large impact on our local community each and every day Our families many who have been here for generations are fighting to stay in santa cruz And affordable child care is one of the things that can help us stay in the community. We love so much If you make cuts to the community programs portion of your budget You will hurt the local economy by hurting Families and adding another financial burden to us Please stand up for hardworking local families by saying no to the proposed funding cuts Thank you for listening and for your consideration. Thank you next speaker. Please afternoon mayor council members I'm kate hidden camp. I'm with the community action board santa cruz county immigration project As you are well aware on february 13th of last year santa cruz residents were awakened to the sound of helicopters before dawn Ice agents said they were serving warrants on dangerous felons, but many of our families were caught up as collateral I recently spoke to a santa cruz resident from al salvador Who along with her 11 year old daughter was held at gunpoint while her home was searched for a man who no longer lived there a man They didn't even know Santa Cruz families like hers remain vulnerable to political tides I want to thank your council for your support of programs that provide a degree of stability and hope to these families Including kems cabs immigration project As you know skip receives $11,000 in funds from the city of santa cruz Which this year allowed us to provide over 2,000 consultations for santa cruz residents and 169 crucial transactions Including citizenship applications work permit renewals and renewals of DACA status for people who were brought here as as children This summer these numbers will rise as we expand our services into davamport and live oak We want to reach more mid and north county residents We do reach them at our watsonville office, but we feel like we want to be more accessible and more nearby In just the past two weeks we reached hundreds of people at the gala getza and at the mexican consulate day at bransa 40 middle school Skip and our partners have also provided dozens of santa cruz families with greater security by introducing them to our childcare safety plan Thank you for your continued support. We do urge you to protect protect vital funding for community programs Thank you. Thank you next speaker. Please Good afternoon major and city councils Council members. I'm angio marino muslim from community action board the rental assistance program And this is iran martin from the rental assistance program So first of all, I want to thank your you and the rest of the council For your critical support of the his of the community's programs to provide virtual support of the most vulnerable community members Including the cab's rental assistance As you know, the rental assistance was funded 30 000 in Corp funding which supports a program providing rental assistance to avoid homelessness Eviction and trauma this past year with your support We were able to assist 16 families that reside in santa cruz a total of 54 individuals And which 30 of them were children? Recently we had a single mother that came in from the beach flats seeking rental assistance She stated that she felt ashamed Asking for this assistance after she felt welcome into her office and never judged. She was truly blessed that we were able to assist her and Avoided homelessness for her once again. She has been previously homeless And that was her trauma. She didn't want to be homeless once again And we wouldn't have this assistance for her and once again without your support We would not be able to assist this family as The other families we have assisted Therefore, we urge the city not to make any more cuts to the community programs that support the most vulnerable I'd like to thank you for your support Thank you. Thank you next speaker, please Good afternoon. My name is maria rodríez. I'm the programs director for the day worker center And my name is luz maria fuentes and i'm the coordinator at the day worker center Uh before anything I would like to thank you each one of you for all the work that you guys are doing on this budget Today just wanted to share a little bit about the day worker center We are a program of community action board and we offer day Job matches to day workers those individuals who are On the streets looking for jobs at the home depot or their locations and on water street We are making a big difference when with these families. We are this past Year for since July 1st to now we have provided 3,747 job matches to these individuals And we have about 155 day workers registered into our program And we have over 2,000 employers in a register that are willing to open the doors to these day workers And when you're making this budget decisions, please consider these individuals who may not have other locations where they can go and Go look for jobs. This is the only place where they can come and get Income to support their families and bring food to their tables Uh, and I just would like to ask you to please Do not consider when you're making these decisions to keep these families in mind. Thank you. Thank you Next speaker, please Um, hi. Good afternoon. Hi. Good afternoon to all. Thank you for your service But my name is Javier Rodriguez and I'm a day worker and I've been A day worker since 94, but I have a Going to the day worker centers since the last five years And there is a place where it can provide me for work In some sort of skills because this is a real difference Between being on the street and have a place where we can safely get the jobs and Probably respect because we're part of the community that we're representing because I'm representing the whole I mean all the day workers through all the county So I just urge you please to consider not cutting funding to the day workers Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please Hi there. I'm Nora Caruso from the Santa Cruz toddler care center Child care is in severe crisis Um right now, which means that our community is in severe crisis right now We um as a sector have um whether such severe cuts that um the supply of child care is Dwindling as the demand is increasing Personally at the toddler center, we have over 200 families on our waiting list for 12 slots And um at the same time I have fewer and fewer teachers that are coming to apply for jobs Because they can't afford the $15 an hour that we can afford to pay them in order to do this work These are people that have college degrees and there's no wonder that they don't want to come and do this work After I leave this meeting I need to go sub on the floor because we've been short one teacher for over a year So my um skills as a director are being used on the floor because we can't recruit any teachers to come and do this work I want to echo what mr. Glover said in terms of priorities because this is not who we are Santa Cruz I know your priorities are to help children and families and low income people and the disabled and the elderly But we need to see that reflected in the budget I don't understand how we are asked to weather these cuts over and over again It's it's incomprehensible to me and I just want to end with a quote from joe biden who says Don't tell me what you value. Show me your budget and I'll tell you what you value Thank you. Thank you next speaker, please Good afternoon city council. My name is lisa berkowitz and i'm the program director for meals on wheels a program of community bridges Today there are lots of folks here with me from the loudon elson community center and the folks sat down yesterday with blank paper plates And wrote out some very heartfelt messages that they would like to share with you There's a packet that's been made for each of the city council folks. That'll be distributed to you Please do take time to look through those messages To give you a little bit of an update the seniors we are serving for the city of santa Cruz We are up to now 61 of them are 100% are under the poverty level We're also seeing currently that at loudon elson. We have a participation now of 47 of our seniors are homeless We are seeing very great differences and challenges faced by all of these seniors and really appreciate The past support and encourage The council to consider not making any cuts to community services These are providing vital services for all members of our community. Thank you very much Thank you next speaker, please Next speaker Hi, good afternoon city council. My name is dave lumas and I just wanted to say about the senior citizen program is very important To the community when I first came to town it was a big Help to me and because I was struggling and Trying to get back on my feet again, and I just think that it's an excellent program And it's very needed by the senior folks in the community and if you would consider Not making any cuts to that would be great and thank you Thank you, sir. Next speaker My name is lindar clinton and um I was Right over here at one point for on property to claim property and Bring it up to code. I have One two contests A couple years ago and then again last year and I have donated to loud nelson building to mr. Nelson to keep for his own personal Funding and also to meals and wheels For their own personal funding and I plan as soon as I get some more contest money coming in I plan to redo the same thing and I read through these little pamphlets here and I feel Everybody that said something I feel the same way. I'm six over 65 and I'm a senior citizen I'm a senior partner in my own office is 1367 pacific avenue up on top and I've had paralegals And people ask me for help to get jobs and I've helped them legally keep their get their business license and Keep in the courthouse system and anything I can do to help It's a depot and we're out crevassing lots of times And in the meantime, um I've at the I'm at the point where I'm homeless And it's personal reasons and So I feel for everything I feel for people who work and try to help and I feel for people who Can't get jobs and I feel for people who are homeless and I want to thank you all very much Thank you, ma'am next speaker, please Good afternoon I'm James Dillon. I'm a long time 35 year resident of Santa Cruz. I'd like to present to city councilmember chris coron A compilation of the paper plates that they decorated for you Yes, I'd like to speak on behalf of um The meals on wheels program at loud Nelson center Um, I've been semi-retired for a couple of years um and uh I avail myself of a of a fine nutritious lunch Monday through Friday and hang out with some very Interesting people who discuss religion politics You know old folks get together and they talk and it does create quite a um It's a social fabric of the community. It really is. I've seen um I've seen uh A crackdown if you were at the loud Nelson over the last several years They took the senior lab computer lab, which had half a dozen windows and Four or five mac PCs and that's gone That was divided into half With one half being a conference room for the staff and the other half becoming new offices for the staff The staff has a beautiful new conference table and uh Nice little office with cubicles and lots of computers But unfortunately the seniors don't have that asset anymore. It was open from nine to three You could read a book. You could read a magazine. I brought my laptop in on an occasion and Used my laptop and you know, check my email and whatever, you know, I didn't really use their computers. I brought my own And I probably Anyhow, um I'd like to just say a few a few words about they closed the bathrooms Yes, sir. For god's sake. If you just wrap it up. That's your time's up Thank you. Okay. Um, thank you for your service and for putting up with us. Thank you. Thank you next speaker, please Good afternoon mayor and council members. My name is lily and I'm the director at neighborhood child care center On behalf of all the community programs I I just hope that you can find it to reconsider any kind of cuts To the community programs You know, I'm here to represent neighborhood. Um, while we didn't get funded through the core process I'm I was hopeful that we would be able to reapply at the three-year mark You know neighborhood is a very rich history I I want to echo a little bit about what noris from the toddler center said and her parent who came to represent the other parents You know, I've been there long enough now to start Our waiting list now has grandchildren coming to our program My teachers some of my teachers their father Taught at neighborhood They just have the passion. It's runs through their blood To work with young children and to offer high quality care But they're doing it at the expense of Living wages We're barely able to give them living wages. Um, and every time we get a cut We have to find cuts to our program and it's just this vicious cycle that we run through When we make cuts And when we can't balance our budget because even with cuts We have to raise tuition and then tuition just continually falls on the shoulders of our parents And then we lose our sliding scale And then we become an alias preschool, which we don't want to do We want to serve all families across the spectrum And we're feeling like our our hands are being tied year after year. So I'd really like to Have you consider Not doing any cuts whatsoever. So thank you for your time. Thank you next speaker, please Good afternoon, Karen Delaney. Um, I'll try and be super fact-based. So, um It is a fact that despite having more money to spend this year the city is struggling to Deal with outside costs. We understand that which is why we didn't ask for a cola at none of us this year Because we are also struggling with outside costs. It's a fact that $50,000 Around there is a five percent across the board cut to core program And every penny that you guys put back in additional funding last year for special needs is totally eliminated That's how you get to $200,000 It is a fact that very few other contractors in this budget have similar cuts Um Does seem a little bit disproportionate. I don't think there's any nefarious attempt the way you build your budgets Is your excellent staff really spends months going over priorities and for our hidden folks You guys are the only ones That really can Counterbalance that and show up for our folks. They aren't there in the mix. There's just you and us So I want to end by reading from one of our hidden folks who we helped this year named rota I've normally and always been an independent and active person until I broke my leg She's 82 Now I'm in a wheelchair I've been told that I need much more help than my family can give So the fact that helping hands could put in a grab bar for my bathroom And a smoke alarm for safety and fix the drain pipe under my kitchen sink is a godsend Thanks for helping keep me living independently. I do not feel forgot So There's facts and there are values and our folks can't get here for three months And you need to decide what this community values Thank you. Thank you Karen. I want to also thank you for participating in the focus group and for your feedback there Great. Hi. How are you? I'm break. Can't see no community ridges CEO high council members I know you guys have very difficult decisions that you have in front of you You know, I want to advocate for all social service programs They're the front lines of a lot of the Unintended consequences a lot of the things that you're going to be investing in and it seems like every time we come here We have this discussion It's reactionary. It's reactionary to what the outcomes are instead of working at the byproducts and the root causes Of some of these issues poverty is an issue. It leads to vandalism. It leads to You know to to people going into houses breaking and entering Small crimes if we address things through the social service sector, which we know Everyone's aware of upstream investment and prevention We concurb some of that, but yet we don't invest that way, you know, we we know there's a seven to one Dollar return on investment in early childhood education, but yet we don't think about it in those terms We know that there's literally no literature that correlates more police to a safety safer community Yet we continue to invest in that. I understand that it's not about pinning different Budgets against each other, but I think that there's a a reality that there is a a substantive difference between What five percent does to on already at the fringe? Sector versus what it does to a you know, a well funded ongoing Department and so I feel like those conversations need to be had and we need to put them out there because we have a fiscal cliff for Non-profits a lot of our non-profits are not paying living wages They're not paying $15 an hour and guess what if we don't increase or at least maintain the line We're going to continue to see service cuts. We're going to continue to see more homeless We're going to continue to see more vagrancy problems and more issues in our community 50% of the people that currently access our service at loud and nelson are homeless seniors We're not addressing that even in the homeless plan And the reality is is social service sector is the only ones really trying to impact that so Please consider the outcomes of that and please consider the funding. Thank you Thank you next speaker, please And before you begin, is there any other member of the public that would like to speak on our budget? This is our public comment period for the fiscal year budget Okay, thank you Youth Power Student empowerment. It's an international human right I hold conversations from early in the morning as a gray panther And know most of you who are sitting up there. I came because I got an email from cab I'm here with the power of You know county-wide organizations to follow ray and You know volunteer bureau. It's my honor Uh, I just want to speak into that there couldn't be something more important Than just the money for those who sitting in those chairs investing your time As I know what each one of you are doing But you know, I want to explore later through email Or come up at another time when we're not talking about the budget And I just want you to pay attention to the percentage In our community of Latinos and know that they they have a potential of Santa Cruz Vision where but 32 Latinos no matter how much the cabs and others did Were empowered so beyond giving the money, please bring your human resource To youth voice and student empowerment Connect through one of your city council people to the power of uc santa Cruz And the county office of education And show what our police chief can do with fight crime Invest in kids Just you take the time if you do research As a gray panther we mostly died off We're going to probably have tim come up and speak of the power they need money to gray bearers But we also need to come from what it is To build on what this city has this policy Know that you're not the only one with the budget go over and see how Salinas is cabin to lay off police and everybody else. So I'm honored to be here tonight. I didn't plan But if I have resources One of you who sits in that chair eventually will introduce a good idea. I wait for that. Thank you next speaker, please My name is robin haas and I was born in this town and Number of my relatives several generations back were as well I I primarily spent summers in this town until adulthood And I have fond memories of how seniors were treated They were a dominant portion of the population back in the 50s and 60s now, uh, I'm somehow I can't account for it, but I became a senior Don't ask me to explain the numbers, but anyway, I attend the senior meal and it's It's a wonderful experience socially and nutritionally and and a lot of people depend upon it And for many it's their main meal And I hope you don't make cuts to those that program. Yes, if you'd speak into the mic, please. Oh, okay, right I hope you don't make cuts to the senior meal and You know Meals on wheels And also the we lost as was mentioned by a person earlier. We lost our Senior lounge and I don't recall any senior actually asked about that We just lost it and there's something wrong on that We've somewhat lost access to the bathroom there unless we Attend a class or the meal in uh, loudon elson people who use the park. I believe it's a city park loudon elson City people I think own loudon elson And I think you really should look into the access Of the bathroom in loudon elson beyond just who is attending a class or the meal. Thank you very much Thank you, sir. Next speaker, please Hi, my name is Evelyn Romero, and I'm a case manager with central coast center for independent living and Cecil is the only or aka Cecil Cecil is the only agency providing services for people with disabilities regardless of the type of disability The age immigration status status or social economic status and community Funding helps Cecil continue serving the most vulnerable populations addressing their needs and In order for them to live healthy independent lives and I just want you to take that into consideration when When you think about Cutting back funding for community programs Because I mean The smallest things that we do make the biggest impact on This particular population Thank you for your time. Thank you Okay, I'm sir before you begin. I just want to do a call out Is there any member that's here that hasn't spoken already that would like to speak during this public comment period? Anyone Please go ahead My name is nicolas whitehead I've been a 50 year resident of santa criss county My great mother hilda whitehead was on the board of quite a lot of organizations like gray bears She was a pounder of gray bears The ywca habitat for humanity. So I come from a real social conscience I find the the process by which the budget is decided here by city To be rather unseemly and very painful It's not right to have community organizations have to come to you begging begging. That's what I see. I've seen it for years Um You you are carrying out your responsibility, but you're doing it within that framework You know, there's a national movement called Participational budgeting which encourages more community involvement and I would suggest in future you encourage the community The citizenry not just the organization the citizenry to form Panels to advise you on on different sectors and to To have a fully open democratic system You know the county does this the county does a little more in democratic than this process. Thank you Thank you, sir Any other member of the public that would like to speak? Anyone okay, we're going to turn it back to the council And right now we're at the point where there might have been some questions still But we're at the portion now that's a city council discussion and direction from june 12 2018 budget So I i'm looking forward to a lively discussion about our 260 million dollar budget just to give you a sense of the items that we're going to be talking about but I Before folks from community programs that are here leave the room. I wanted to just make the statement that i'm Not going to be willing to support any budget that cuts community programs This year. We just passed measure s this morning. I found out I couldn't stay up late enough We have all kinds of ways one so the 200 000 dollars that was uh that figure that's been Bandied about here today That's one executive management position For the city of santa cruz. It is not going to be that hard for us to figure out how to find 200 000 dollars in this budget It is my that is my primary priority. I cannot support A budget that doesn't that makes those cuts So I just wanted to make that clear from the start. I appreciate the time that you all have spent coming out and Mr. Whitehead your point about asking you know asking people to come out and beg for money is Is I I just don't feel comfortable with it, but at the same time Here you are. So thank you for being here and let's find the money And I have other things I want to say But I just wanted to say that because I know some of you are gonna have to leave probably before the discussion ends Well, we've got plenty time to discuss and I also wanted to make sure people knew that there was if there questions There are hold-up holdovers from the presentations and I just wanted to mention to mr. Whitehead We did do outreach in terms of focus group and public meetings And I hope to see more of that in the coming year. So I appreciated your comments I wanted to see if any I have some a couple questions that are holdover from this morning. Does anyone else No, uh council member crown. Okay. I'm just mine was to ed and I was going to just ask a few questions from the budget um And that that was really first of all, there was a in the estimated actual budget. There was increases in regards to some of our activities that were related to Amounts of services and supplies and I was wondering if you could just talk a little bit about it It was a pretty significant increase and I wanted to know, you know, what are some of the things that that increase was it was about There's a 3.7 million line item for a mountain services and supplies Good afternoon mayor and council members Bonnie Lipscomb director of economic development So one of the larger larger differences is is just the fact if it's you were actually comparing between the different parts of the budget between the adopted budget and the estimated actual and so I just wanted to to clarify that so we're not really comparing apples to apples because we typically do have salary savings and other things in our budget But one of the main things that was in our amended budget. We typically have project carry forwards Those don't get included in the initial budget. So those are for ongoing projects studies other things that are in the budget The big um difference that's you know over Six million is actually the acquisition of metro. Um, that's in the budget that wasn't originally in um the Uh adopted budget that we have that's included and so when you look at the capital outlay of 6.3 million that includes the acquisition of The nyak building downtown for the metro project as well as from our former redevelopment bond funds The funding that went towards that council approved at the last budget towards imbep for the affordable housing trust You know revolving loan fund And then um, we were I was just curious on this I asked about the use of the enterprise fund um for like billy now And I was wondering based on some of the planning work where there's you know fees associated with some of the activities that are there Some of the work in the economic development deals with you know business You know we do business retention But you also have grants to help make facade improvements and other things Are there ways that some of that work um could be billed like the staff time on that build to Planning based on some of the fees that might be associated with someone's project I think we would have to look specifically at um, you know across the other departments and any of them are not general fund Because some of the other funds are also rolled up into the general fund I think an area where there is some potential that's not general fund Could potentially be um in the future for some of our property asset management property lease Areas where some of those Areas go in we do We do a pretty good job of charging particularly for staffing on non general fund side So for example we charge and get credits to the general fund for activities on affordable housing The former redevelopment agency um from revenues related to affordable housing and Sort of across the board and also from grants and other loans and services Okay, thanks Another major expenditure that we have in here are some carry forwards In the actual when you look at the amended budget that um one of the reasons it's also high So high is because it has the carry forwards for projects related to HUD and cdbg That don't get fully spent in one year They get carried forward into the amended budget and it makes the budget a lot higher So we had some carry forwards on um the teen center some of the other projects And um also on the water street project that gets carried forward and added to the budget after the budget is adopted Okay, and then um, I just want to also compliment the ed department in terms of we saw a stat regarding the graffiti abatement program We also in the just summary. There was a lot of description about the arts program I was out at ebb and flow this weekend and I know that was a partnership with the city and economic development staff was there Um, I just um think it's uh really strong that we have that really that connection with um not only the business community But also looking at how ways new ways where we can kind of improve like the the look of our city in terms of maintenance and activities So I'd like to just ask that as we start to um, you know get reports back on ed I know we have that infrastructure committee that is going to meet again But thinking about you know where those priorities are so that as we look at those programs Are we looking at spending the money in ways that are going to help Make our downtown more vibrant help to increase our maintenance and really have a prioritization of what are the things that Are going to be best for the the local businesses to prosper here because it's It's one where I know we've heard a lot about the ranger program and other things where I mean, I in my opinion our full council is very focused on making sure that we're Working actively to to make the downtown a vibrant place and it's good if we talk about that a little bit more about What are some of the action items that we're doing to make sure that that's the case? Great and I will say those are efforts that are across, you know city-wide So even ebb and flow touch pretty much every department So it's definitely a whole city team effort And I will say right now we're working pretty We're working very actively with both parks and rec and public works on some different Beautification initiatives particularly in the downtown I mean one of the things that you know, I noted is that you know The budget in the ed department with all those programs is almost like the size of the planning department And so when we think about the scale about hearing about what's going on in economic development department And what the outcomes are is really important because it is I mean, it's a big part of our budget when we look at the actual Dollars that are that are allocated there right and that also includes a lot of our property management asset management Activities as well as as some of our major programs including facade improvement and some of the other other programs and projects that we have Thanks, are there any other questions? Yeah, just a couple on 5610 5650 the Low and moderate housing production and property acquisition. I'm just wondering could you explain what's going on in those those two funds? Sure in 5610 The 5800 you see is actually the budget expenditure from our former rda housing bonds that goes towards the nyac project And combined also with the imbep monoray bay economic partnership Contribution to their affordable housing trust fund. So you see that in amended budget year 2018 and the estimated actual because we actually did purchase those and and Appropriate that funny to imbep and then in fiscal year 2019. This shows as an expenditure that's 345 000 but just to explain that what that actually is is our rent from nyac And so that's the rent the lease back that we negotiated with nyac is 345 000 a year and it goes into a project fund that we have Developed for the metro building for the metro development project So we're getting that money back and we budget it into a special account for that project So that's 5610 and then you're 5650 this the 100 low and moderate housing production So that includes Funding that we get that we budget looking specifically on the difference. Some of that is budgeted specifically on when we get in lu fees coming in and so we put that especially in an account But it's a you know, some of that comes forward some of that is going towards water street project But they're pretty small Amount numbers we're actually going to be doing a report to council Coming up in august that has a sort of a full Look at the last few years of expenditures both from our affordable housing trust fund are in lu fees and the projects I was go they're going towards and how we Project those expenditures because we can budget we're usually fairly conservative on that because it's based on Project money coming in from projects and even though we think they're going to come in for example See by breakers we budgeted that for like six years in a row before That project finally went forward and we did receive some of those in lu fees So we're typically pretty conservative on what we budget versus what actually comes in so we don't overstate it Could you include when you get back to the council the way that an in lu fee is calculated because I've never really Understood that the other question I have is about the affordable housing trust fund on the Edis page 17 How does this money get in here where is it from This one that one actually is the in that line item is in lu. So that's what I was referencing Where we budgeted 11,000 and the estimated actual for that same year ended up being 337 because Project went forward and they filed and they actually then paid their in lu fees So how is that different than the low and moderate housing production or is a similar Yeah, one the set page 17 is the resources for the funding coming in and then the previous page is how we propose to Spend the funding coming in so one is being posted then to the account. Thank you Any questions I had one final one. I didn't know if you saw the management partners Survey about the business Licensed tax that was something that was there Whether or not you want to comment now or just ask people do you have any opinion about whether or not that could be something maybe help support some of the You know activities that are going on in the economic development department or is the The the the cons outweigh the pros. Yeah, I That's a tough one. I mean, I I think the overall funding that would come in from an increase is probably not Substantial but I would like to look a little more closely at that But I do think particularly in the downtown, but for some of our businesses It's it's a high cost of doing business in Santa Cruz for businesses And so I think one of the reasons that hasn't been increased before is because it is difficult to do to do business here Um, particularly just if you're looking in the downtown, we do have a number of assessments We have, you know two assessments to property based improvement cestric districts a business improvement district You know, we also have the parking deficiency fees We have a number of assessments and fees on businesses if they're going to actually have A presence in our downtown So when you look at our commercial corridors and where you see predominantly a lot of our businesses I I it does make me pause before Um suggesting that we that we've raised those right now. I'd like to look at it a little more closely Great. Thanks That's a little crumb. I just have two more questions. One was about the uh the parking garage at locust street I'm just wondering what would it take to To be able to sell parking Residential parking passes after five o'clock because I've heard from many people they cannot get to that window before five o'clock and subsequently have gotten tickets after the new year and It's just really hard for people during working hours and I'm I see somebody sitting in that garage Don't understand why they can't just sell you a part residential parking pass because they're there They're usually reading a book Mayor and council members marlon granham parking program manager that position after five o'clock would have to be upgraded to a parking office Representative, there's a different different type of business that goes. There's two different businesses that are at the locust garage There's a parking office that's open monday through friday from 10 a.m To 5 p.m And they do all the citation processing and all the residential permits and all the permits for our Other surface lots and then there's the parking attendant program which is that fourth window that's open From from 5 p.m. Until closing and on the weekends. So the attendant program is just for the locust garage I know what's entailed to have that person just reach under the desk pull out the Permit sell you the permit for 25 dollars. It doesn't seem like a huge it's a higher Proficiency person in that position So we would need to hire a different person to do that work because they work on a different software And they also have to look up residency and everything else So it's it's a totally different type of position than just a parking attendant You might not know now, but maybe get back to me What's the difference in the cost of what it would take to get that person who's proficient in selling the parking pass person to person Five to seven dollars an hour And the person is there from five to what time? Depending upon the time of the time of year and the and the date They're there from 5 a.m. Until until 11 p.m. Or until midnight. Thanks Hey, thank you Last question is um We've heard a lot from folks about loud Nelson bathrooms, and I'm also here, you know We've gotten emails and it's been in the newspaper. I'm just wondering what it will take to um What would it take to get that loud Nelson bathrooms open as it was before Uh, are we just having a cooling off period or do we plan on keeping them closed to the general public who don't have classes Or don't have something to do with loud Nelson Um carol scourge um interim parks and recreation director I would like to hope that um at some point in time that we can um Right now I unlock the restrooms the the restrooms are not closed. It's just that they're locked and um So i'm hoping that that's a possibility But we've dealt with this issue unfortunately a couple of times over the last 10 years in where um We feel that we've gotten to a point where our restrooms are unsafe Even the amount of time and effort that we put into it the rangers and staff And for the protection of our children our our seniors and the people in general that are using the facility It's really has gotten very challenging And I would hope that we would get in a situation that we could reverse that but we'll just have to wait and see Do you see anything like on the horizon like what what would change that? I think what would change it is people being respectful when they go into the restrooms. I mean, I just think it's I find it hard to believe but unfortunately it's a it's a terrible reality is that People go into the restrooms and I don't need to go into details. I think you can understand But it's it has gotten to a point where it just It's it's not something that we feel comfortable With our people in our community center using the restrooms People unfortunately it looks like they're watching staff They're seeing when staff are going and going down the hall to deal with something else and know to slip in They're hiding their faces from the camera. They kind of know the system and we just It it we were having full-time attendants walking people down there And it was just getting too challenging to keep the the center going and working with other Groups that are there and servicing them and making sure that they have all the equipment supplies that they need And so we just felt like we needed to put locks on the restrooms. It will have a key pad. They went in I think they got installed today And our hope that maybe eventually we'll get to where we don't have to use those key pads Thank you We have a new line item in our budget The cost of getting people to be respectful Where do we put that There's definitely an impact it stretches across the entire budget So I would say um, yeah, you can you can you can point out and speak for yourself on that one Um, you know, I want to just say one thing because we heard this during the um, just the presentation There was a lot of um discussion about, you know, especially meals on wheels Councilmember brown and I had a chance to go out there during the year and kind of meet some of the people that spoke We were out there and saw You know, we've seen at the state level there's some budget that's being released for um homeless programs And I wonder is there any review that's going on about looking at what kind of costs can be Reimbursed or that we can use to supplement our budget to address some of these real challenges that that we're seeing here Because obviously, you know, there's there's a limitation on on available funds But if we're seeing at the state level some funds being released to Address these these real needs. Um, what are we doing to kind of look beyond just what we have on in front of us to To maybe supplement and to support some of these Some of these express needs that we just heard And I have an add-on to that question specifically if I could Related to that Meals on wheels and some of the other programs are Core funded which means they have funding from both the city and the county and to the extent There's the countywide homeless coordinating committee Maybe that would be the entity to look for additional funding support for some of these programs. That's all I wanted to add I know I asked earlier about like our our city expenditures for the Emergency shelter that was set up and some of the planning work there So I just thought if you know, this is an add-on really to that to see Where there might be reimbursement to the city for some of these and even to augment what we what we already have Um, well as uh, as marcus mentioned earlier, uh, the state that unlike the city is facing, uh Surpluses and so they're having more of a debate about how to spend the surplus There and obviously some of the things that have come up are some of the major sort of social issues that are affecting the state Homelessness is a major one And there's a lot of conversations going on about How to allocate funding and we're keeping a close eye on that together with Uh, the county and in the league of california cities To try to at least maximize the ability to be able to access those funds For example, just keeping a close eye on how what the formula is for distributing those funds because a lot of times Only if it's based on population we tend to to get a small portion of that But if it's based on need, you know, perhaps it might be we might be in a better position to access some of those funds So to the extent that we can do that I also know that the the various nonprofits and in their In their advocacy capacity too are also, you know lobbying and working at the state level to try to Also make some changes and improvements there On that front to access some of those surplus funds for some of these needs that have been Appointed out today Did you have it London Nelson if just in case bruce bratton is listening in bathrooms Can if I could we could circle back around so I mean, I think it's um, this is and I and I absolutely understand that they're serious Safety health and safety challenges with the bathrooms being open, but at the same time I wonder if we could get some kind of report back About the revenues that we're losing from room rentals because they're I mean, I've had quite a few organizations say they're Maybe not gonna continue to use the the center Because it's so hard to access a restroom and I so I have no I mean I have no idea what that might look like financially for the city But it's just something we're thinking about getting some kind of report on Within, I don't know, you know six months out How are we doing? Something like that, um would be really helpful Okay, yeah, I think we can we'll look into that and we'll follow up offline in regards to that councilmember noroyan Have we ever looked into the possibility of pricing out how much it would cost to have a bathroom attendant? What that position would look like? I mean, I know, you know We're at a time where we're talking about having to cut all these cut the departments by five percent But it would be nice to just have that figure because You know, I do think we need bathrooms to be open. I understand though Why we would go to a keypad you can't keep spending thousands of dollars on vandalism and cleaning up I've heard some of the horrific conditions Or allowing It to be a place for illegal activity to take place especially when you have minors using these restrooms from the teen center So I I understand why you're doing what you're doing But I have always been interested in looking at different solutions to keep our bathrooms open and I think that might be one of them Okay councilmember chase So, um, this is actually a question for the city manager and we had at one point discussed that as being part of the downtown streets team Scope of work and so I'm wondering what the status is of that um the Most recent conversations at least that I've that have had with them are You know, they were they had a period of time that they needed to gear up and to sort of get going and to get their basic level of Work in place And I don't think we've had more recent discussions about this in particular They are looking at expanding I think they have seen a lot of demand for in sort of the core function that they provide that Both here in the city and elsewhere and I believe they've been focusing on that But we could approach them again now to see where they're ready I think they just been so focused on doing the work that they're doing and we really haven't Come back around to discussing this item. I know that I'm interested And I think others are probably interested too in exploring that now I know the discussion was really focused on the downtown But just starting the discussion with them and saying we're really ready to see what they're at That can be successful. I think would be good. We're happy to do that I was just going to echo that and I think that that's a great way to have a creative solution to help meet the need I have a different sort of question that I wanted to ask I think maybe Susie who is here and asked you during the break a little bit about One of the things that we heard was a shift in services that were provided by first alarm here after where there were policy shifts And not necessarily the need and it brought up a question that I had and I forgot to mention earlier in terms of one of the Police department schools to really look at how we're being able to come up with more creative and expansive services for You know mental health and substance abuse and I know that there's partnerships in place in terms of I think that was the myrrh and I I don't know the name specifically, but I'm curious how those partnerships are working Are there opportunities for us to See how we can support More partnerships to help meet the needs of law enforcement and the community in terms of the mental health and substance abuse Or speak to how that relationship is going at this time Um, I don't know if anybody here can Just as a follow-up because I was just going to Comment on that one. These are the direct purchases we're making. I would murder is a separate program Entirely county operated, you know So that's but but I mean I think are you referring to funding for the the direct purchases of services that we have in our budget For the county, I think Well, I'm just trying I'm trying to see how we are evolving to meet the community needs Appropriately and I apologize if I used the wrong program name. I don't know. I'm not as familiar with the the programs Um, and I know there's partnerships in place But I'm wondering in terms of support from the council How can we stay abreast of that and how can we be responsive to help or if it's already working and how can we we know about that Essentially, and I think I mean, I don't know. I appreciate you being here Answering the question. So I am deputy chief Dan Filippo of the police department You are having me here today So there's a couple questions Are you asking about the the funding and the service provided by first alarm and how we can argument that as a police department? But then also there's a question of the mental health the azons and how we Have now expanded that to a seven day a week program divide provide coverage and that's partly in partnership with the county and then some of the Funding and then the referrals that we make to hope and So there's there's a multitude of questions. I'm trying to figure out how do I best answer the question for you I apologize for being not so clear I think what made me think of the question was the original comment around shifting needs based on the outcomes that we saw here for The shift in policy around the first alarm needs and that kind of spurred the converse the concept for me So I apologize for that. We don't need to go there One of the things that I was talking to Susie a little bit during the break was just how and I was looking through your Goals is how are we evolving to also Or how first of all, how are we functioning in terms of our partnerships for mental health liaisons? And how are we evolving our services if there is more of a need there? And how as we as a council can understand those needs to support you essentially So it could be functioning and it could be fine And I'm and I'm just wondering if that's the case or if there's more that that needs to be done Is that something we can know about I believe with the mental health liaisons that it is a very successful and very functioning I mean they're using we're using Both of our mental health liaisons daily to help provide But there is a limit to the coverage since there's just the two, you know So when she start getting into the late evening hours That that resource is no longer available and it resorts back to Our traditional response But being able to have an impact on continual Calls of service to a same individual or to be able to make direct referrals We wouldn't be able to do that. We weren't able to do that prior to having this program So as far as the funding that's continuing to work some of you know, a lot of it is with our liaisons funded by the county So we're continuing to have to work with them to to continue trying to expand that program Yeah, I can I can add a little bit to that. So in general, I would say that the the concerns and interest in trying to address some of the mental health Issues that we face particularly in downtown because I think there's a general consensus that that the incidences are Increasing and it's it's becoming a bigger problem and concern overall And so I think because of that the certainly the county is Has been paying more attention to Potentially how to address this and so there have been a number of things that have been happening Meaning like the redesign of the PAC and HOPE's program and you know Tina could probably provide more information on that too But the other thing too is they're also looking seriously at how to potentially expand programs We recently were invited to a meeting with the sheriff and and the health department and CAO's office to talk about the potentially expanding a program where they Would focus on trying to Monitor and assist particularly those Those individuals that have a high level of potential Problems or violence. We've had some you know some major sort of incidences and so the idea is how do we particularly for those that are you know, potentially could be Violent or could have these sort of major Incidences, how do we track those and how do we monitor those individuals? So there's certainly an interest in doing that and as I understand that they're looking at Potentially funding that is a one-time measure in their proposed budget That they'll be reviewing during their budget hearings and then potentially They're looking at also. I believe it had a Potential revenue measure and then that would help hopefully help fund that on an ongoing basis as well So in general, I would say that there there is a sort of level of interest in expanding services and addressing to the growing problem Thank you. Thank you for that Council member matthews Just on that topic. So the city general fund support for the mental health liaison program Is doubled in this fiscal year It's on this This was an attachment of the community services And I don't think it was in the budget, but it was sent it was an email that I sent separately that Had a table that outlined the uh, the core programs as well as the other programs that are funded It's it's in that table. Yeah, so if you could print out of that just get handed that we can get that for you Basically if you look on page cm 6 in the city manager's budget There's a listing for community programs and that's our traditional community programs grants and then right below that There's a listing for community programs and services And that's for the whole package of other social service community program expenditures, which includes A whole long list of things including the mental health liaison the downtown outreach worker A lot of homeless coordinating programs. I got yeah And this chart compares one year to the next That makes sense to me because it was I didn't see it in the budget for the police department Thank you, but and it wasn't even specified In the budget that we got so This tells all the things These are all the things here that are in the community programs and services the second line And then down below is just one line item for core. Okay Thank you I'm I'm looking at this and I'm thinking this would be a good chart to either put up on the screen So folks um, who are in the gallery could see Or if there's if there's copies to pass out because oh i'm getting a head nod that there's copies to pass out Yeah And just as background to one of the questions that's supposed it's going to come back at the the june 12th budget hearing we we did a peer review of different cities in regards to um expenditures for County programs and services and so we we've asked how many cities actually directly purchase services from the county And so we're going to get that one response We've had one response so far Um, and we're going to get a few more But the one response we did is that they they do not um purchase directly purchase that's moment crown um That'd be chief flipo. I'm just wondering um Is this going to then help pick up some of that slack at night or no? This is just two people during the day. There's there's still a need maybe at night when you you said that Potentially, yes, and it's also finding the individual In a healthy is on worker. That's comfortable working out at night Obviously because of some concerns safety concerns, but I mean we are going to continue with the program as it stands now the seven-day week Coverage, but as far as expanding it. Yeah, we are we are where we're at right now Could you just say from your own knowledge if you could How this has made an effect and what what the effect is of having healthy is on workers? well One is you have somebody that is uh as much uh de-escalation and mental health awareness training as we can provide for our staff We have somebody that is uh, you know clinically certified to deal with people that are in mental health crisis that are there to help provide the uh any sort of um I can't see a lot of times when we're contacting somebody that's in crisis It usually is a frontline officer that's that's initially dealing with that person But then being able to use the mental health liaison as a resource to help Maybe uh, not necessarily step in but if if we're able to de-escalate verbally and get the person calm down Then the mental health liaison come forward and really uh help further Guide this person and and and make that uh judge the best judgment call out on the street The biggest impact I've seen over the life of the program is the fact that you have a direct referral Which you have direct contacts within the mental health system that as an officer You just don't have you know, I don't work for county mental health I don't have those same direct connections. I don't know everybody that's uh, necessarily working in the The behavioral health unit or the phf So having that being able to bridge all that gap and get those and then sometimes just Uh, it's a just a different set of decision making ability out there in the street somebody that's trained that can can help You know guide a conversation in the proper way that it needs to go to go that's uh has a greater expertise than than As the chiefs often said a 22 year old with with a badge and a gun that's got training But it's not a clinical mental health. You know somebody that can intervene in that manner. Thank you. That was very helpful Thank you So I just to follow up on because I think another piece of the question is That that you originally raised vice mayor Watkins is related to How we're spending our you know How much money do we spend on first alarm? So I guess maybe this is directed at Director Pimentel. Can you tell us how much money we spend on first alarm? and You know just thinking about just for purposes of you know future discussion thinking through Whether or not we might be able to prioritize Those funds in other ways in the future for mental health and additional mental health worker perhaps somebody at night rather than First alarm patrols. I mean I again, I'm just asking the question for purposes of discussion. How much do we spend on first alarm? We're turning towards five hundred sixty thousand this year. It's I mean really city-wide it goes from you know kind of water Luckloman protection out out way out to parking garages to ocean street to harvey west to downtown to war yes, so they're they're kind of They're sprinkled all over Vice mayor Watkins, I know Thank you for the follow-up and I think one of the things that When earlier one of the things that I mentioned was just how can we understand what we're getting for our money and being really thoughtful about our investments And are we better off because of it? And I think those bigger questions can guide a lot of different outcomes and the support that you described from the mental health Liaisons I can only imagine what kind of relief that provides not only to the officers But also to the person in crisis and the community So I think we really just want to be mindful about how we know and what we're doing and how we're spending the dollars Especially as we're seeing fiscal challenges coming up and how we best supporting the community and our departments that way And I think that is a a very specific example that was brought up as an evolutionary kind of process that took place based on need but I think we can continually look at that in that way based on evidence also so I think um I would like to sort of track that and support the officers and the community in that way and And monitor how we are being really effective in the state in the public safety of our community for for everybody's needs So thank you for that and that was just my only follow-up great. Well, I know that there's going to be More discussion. I just think it's good to kind of put some actual concrete things on the floor So we move things forward and If you want to go well, I have This is not the hearing itself But do you want to motion to put the general Budget on the floor for the purpose of discussion and then make amendments. Yeah, that's what I was thinking we would do I asked Bonnie to we have something we'll put up and this is just a start because I knew we're going to have questions Typically how we proceed and I just want to make sure that we continue to follow that path forward with a big picture Yeah So these were two. I mean there was some earlier discussion today about the past budget work and having make sure we have a process that Provides a more participatory framework and budget engagement engagement process for The coming year that's the kind of the main motion the front just as we kind of keep Track of that and then also in regards to that there was comments about looking at the Issue of the the harvey west park area and pool making sure that we have Some Measurement of like looking at how we can kind of continue on investment in the harvey west pool And I and I did not put in there about a motion to have the The budget adopted, but that is the main motion But marcus is going to have a excel chart that he can bring up in terms of if there's specific things We want to talk about but in general we're approving that the entire budget a balanced budget We want to make sure that we kind of keep that in sight as we have our discussion In terms of specific things you want to bring up now, so councilmember matthews. Well, I would say Uh, that's the main motion is to recommend the adoption Preparation for adoption of the budget that's been prepared and that'll be the motion. I can go on the top That should be the big part. That's right. And then these are really I don't even necessarily have a budget it was it was it was it was written out in the top of that one, but we that's the uh We it's it that's captured, right? Yeah, that's right. It was so we have that We're going to put it out. We're going to type that out right now. Okay So this would be part of the main motion. It would it would be the main motion No, I think it's just it's uh different document there, okay We're not voting on this today, right? We're giving direction because it it comes back on the 12th for adoption. Yeah So at this point we give direction on any changes Correct, and then yeah, I mean, I think what we'd like to see is motion. So we have clear direction, you know up or down what goes because Literally, it's tonight and then tomorrow the packet goes out. Um, so As clear as could be would help us So the motion would be to direct staff to prepare um A budget for final adoption As presented to us today That would be the initial motion And then we would have amendments and then you guys would go scurry around tonight, right? I'll second that motion To the motions on the floor And then also I want those other two pieces Are part of that motion May I When one of the things that I'd like to see if we could accelerate the timeline for understanding the fiscal impact To October or something for the harby west pool I was going to say september but Understand Oh, that's I'm that's not part of my motion. My motion is just to put the main one on Oh, you're not taking on this. You're not there's other two pieces I'll tell you why I think the whole Interest in the harby west pool that should go back to the parks and rec commission. We have a parks and rec master plan I mean, this is taking one item It's of interest to the public, but it's throwing it ahead of Whatever else is out there and I this again gets back to what's the work? What load we're expected what preamps what so I'm quite happy to say that we refer this back to consideration to the parks and rec in the context of the parks and rec master plan, but I don't see jumping ahead with this frankly We we go to so much work And you all know what work went into the parks and rec master plan with consultants and community feedback in a year and hearings blah blah blah Let's do this Marcus, do you have that excel Charter because we have a motion the second on the floor for the proposed fiscal year 2019 budget And I think if there's specific things that right now people are Interested in let's do that to kind of talk about what those are in terms of if there's movement and those two we can come back to you Oh, okay, okay We'll get the motion in the second by motion by council member math you second by myself For this hole for the top just the first one motion to approve the proposed fiscal year 2019 budget In regard to the second point that was there which I think came from you david establishing an ad hoc committee How much time does the current ad hoc budget committee have to run it's six months? Yeah, I think we've got in we're going to finish up in august um To my mind you You could make some recommendations for the future As you you've gone through it You had an experience. So I would say wrap up your ad hoc committee with that With the recommendations. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. We were talking about doing policy I just think that it's the one piece about this that I think is important to get the council to weigh in And it was something that we heard from the focus groups is the measurements for financial outcomes and performance That's part of you know, the the next year's budget review that we're looking at not just The budget but have a little bit more detail in terms of you know What are what are the outcomes that were that are linked to those? To the budgets and I think that's something that we can recommend when it comes back in august And I think that's That's perfectly fine, but I just know that that'll be coming I would say just delete that and incorporate that it's really the conclusion I mean, I'm we'll consider it But I think right now we're just on the main motion that you suggested and that's the motion to approve the proposed budget So that's that what's on the table right now. Yeah, okay. So let's go to the excel chart Okay, so now we have the entire budget and I don't know for those of you that were with us last year We have this same kind of line item But there are specific things that are in the budget that one you want to talk about now And there were two different charts that we used one was just the main budget and then also there was a second section that was dealing with the Some of the core and community programs we had that as a separate If you want to just we could start talking about specifics Is there something that's concerning or you want to have brought up now? Please do I'm going to bring up this question because we heard a lot of people that were speaking now from the public in regards to some of the programs that were Maybe impacted by this budget many of them were youth programs And I'll I'll mention it to martin when we come back We set up a cannabis fund for youth programs And it seems to me that some of those programs would be eligible for those funds that have already been included in our budget Is that the case? Yes, and the council designated from january 1st 1% of the 8% cannabis would be used for Yeah, 1% so I mean those are those are funds that are that are there is there and would that be One way to kind of address some of those Shortfalls about 45 000 projected So So I mean I think so what I'm when I mentioned was using some of the cannabis funds to address the youth programs that have been suggested that need funding That's what the council directed us to look at and I just wanted to kind of have that discussion if this is a appropriate use So would the would the recommendation be to develop a process for application for the 1% youth oriented funds resulting from the cannabis I I put I have a motion that that we could look at just in regards to that But I think it's maybe at this point you have Some specifics that we want to put out there that people are interested in the funding but if you know in terms of specific changes they want to see in the budget or Questions that they're still remaining. I do have a motion in regards to the you know potential to use those funds to address at least the youth programs so However, you however, everybody feels they want to proceed if there's specific things other than they Than the core questions that have been discussed We can we can start with those or we can go right in and get something on the table for the core issues Well, I'm just going to put my position out there right now We have gone through a really challenging process internally and with the community of dealing with a um multi-year fiscal crisis and Part of our response was to put a quarter cent to sacks tax increase before the voters Fortunately, they approved it And we told them in putting that before them that that was not the entire solution That was going to be a part of it that we were going to um adopt As we had last year, we were going to adopt this year some Economies in our own operations and we would have to do that in the future years as well this was a multi-year approach to fiscal stability for The city and I feel very strongly Every single department and I know you all got that but every single department made cuts and we have a Document here it goes on for I don't know six pages What every single department did took out that they really wanted to do it was important the public wanted it It would contribute to public service. Etc. Etc. Etc. They all made cuts And we said as we entered this budget process that those cuts would be reflected in the core program as well I think we have to do that. I think that's part of what was put out to the community And um, I know it's not pleasant. It's a small percentage But um, that's that's where I'm going to come down on this issue I think we made a pledge to the community. This is going to be a shared long-term approach I think you know what I'm going to do is before so we're not I'd rather just I just put my card Yeah, you know I hear that so I mean I maybe we'll do this I'll go I'll start maybe with you chris if you want so that and then we could just kind of list anything in there And we can kind of go across are there anything that you'd like to see revised in this particular budget that we want to put down on On the screen for deliberation love to talk about the five percent increase in council pay and it's been a long time incoming and it's a very difficult for folks to be able to uh run for counsel and and maintain themselves with the kind of compensation that's given right now and I think that it's Encumbered on us to take these increases when we can because for future council members. Okay anything else Okay, council member matthews. Okay council member chase. Okay. You're there no changes. Okay But I'll go I'll start over here council member brown $200,000 for community programs I think I've made myself pretty clear about where I'm at on that one $200,000 for community programs reinstated Okay, that was a question that um council member norion brought up earlier was the actual reduction 200,000 In terms of the proposal I'm going to ask because I think this was out of the city manager's office. Yeah, Tina's going to go over it Okay, she's got some charts to show you Thanks Just want to make sure you all have that So the table before you just to walk you through this briefly talks about what was in the city manager's budget under the community programs line item and um There's just one line item because it's kind of rolled up to describe That the core grant process, but there's actually three different categories within that That was part of your deliberate discussions in the budget hearings last year The first line and you can see that the columns are category description fy 18 funding fy 19 proposed Are there extras actually bonnie? Are there extras because I could hand them out there there's some extras Core is just kind of the base amount then there was set aside and then transitional So the core was they that was amount of money and through this deliberate rfp process that was over a year in the making Thank you very much was over a year in the making where the city and the county looked at I think seven or eight strategic plans across a county focusing on social services and health and human services needs And within those strategic plans they identified what are areas where if we could see movement It'd be most valuable so from that this entire process was born where there was a shifting in a realignment with strategic goals Outcomes from the experts who created the plans and then there was an entire rfp process and an expert rating panel And you had all this process presented to you So those proposed awards are what's in that top line core In addition to that there was talk that Not every need might be captured in one of those strategic plans You know there could be emerging needs or there could be one-time needs or things that are not anticipated So there's talk of maybe having a set aside program and having it be an ongoing set aside program of some size It was always talked about 40 or 50 thousand dollars On a one-year basis and so that's the first two line items And then the last one is when your council is discussing the budget You heard a lot of public comment comment from programs around we're now shifting from the old paradigm to this new core We could use assistance with transition and so there was very deliberate discussion around transitional funding for one year And so I broke that up so you can just see because we are talking about core But they are three separate buckets the basic core grants which are three years that top line Are you know three years the application cycle falls every three years the set aside Which could be an annual process and then this transitional so you can see the 2018 funding the 2019 proposed and for the transitional we zeroed that because it's supposed to be really one-year bridge funding to help Help programs move into the new core system for set aside because already we're in a deficit position We weren't presuming to release money. So we program that at zero Then as has been discussed there was that five percent program commenced with the general fund realignment And you can see under notes that that dollar amount is 56,755. So you've said 50,000. That's about right So I hope that helps but that kind of outlines What comprises this? So I think we're you've you've already spoken and I think um councilmember norion did you want to Oh gosh. Oh my god. I was I can Be hearing numbers out. I would like to discuss the 20 000 dollars that's being proposed to um Take away from the park ranger program within the parks and rec department I would just like more information on that and what that means impact-wise. Okay What was that? That's reoccurring 20 000. Yep In the parks and recreation department how we came up with our cuts is we looked at every single activity and had staff come up With their recommendations and prior to shifting that money over to the police department We took a look at that and talked with the police department about cutting that area and we think that's where we had a little push We've had salary savings with temporaries in the past and felt like that was very doable We didn't feel like cutting permanent staff was was an option at all And so that's that's the area that we had a little bit of push there Oh Is this the time to discuss this in so what does that mean in a practical application like Is there a park or an open space or somewhere that's going to have less ranger service because of this? I don't think so because in the past we've had salary savings where we didn't end up using all those temporary hours And that's why staff made the recommendation there. So no, I don't think so Okay, because I still get reports from people That they don't enjoy our parks that there's still issues when they I know I hate hearing that too And that there are still issues um with some particular parks. And so, you know, it does worry me the idea that you know That we you know, there isn't a need and I I do think there's still there still is so That's why I look at this and I'm a little concerned I I understand completely it's on it's up there now. So we have it as a line item Okay, right If I can just add that our intention is to since we took over the majority of the full time and even the part-time rangers is to Continue the deployment throughout the city adding maintaining five rangers downtown And then dividing up the rest of the permanent and the part times throughout the different neighborhood policing team areas that we did They're they're focusing on the the parks that are particularly in those neighborhoods. So Our hope is that we continue the same service model Since we're taking over a majority of the park rangers Okay, thank you It's my walk ins um Okay, sorry. I just have a few like where do I start? First sorry carol. I'm sorry. I didn't catch you when you were already up here to make you come back up for us Um, I appreciated our conversation in terms of what could potentially be done I know that one of the benefits of having such a thorough finance department and budget document is we get to see all the different kind of components and one of the Funding sources that I saw in index page 54 is a million dollars for Types of funding that could support potentially capital And I know we talked about looking into that in a projected timeline just to understand what that might look like That would be reasonable could be potentially october for the harvey west pool Does that seem accurate for you or and in terms of the funding source? To look into that as an option If I think I understood your question Were you thinking about coming back to you with the recommendation in october? I think that's very doable I I think that that's something that we can analyze and look at and let you know What the what the costs would be if we did that and again We um, we could look at our our funding source that we have for our cip projects and look at that It's not on our list. It's not the pool is not even on our three-year list But we could absolutely um come back and take a look at that and see how we could um look at those funds and see if we could schedule in The the project that would help you have the pool be a little bit more fiscally are responsible with The electricity and the gas and and work with pop public works to do that. Thank you carol. Thank you So that's not going to need a line item, but I appreciate that So there's the language. We have some motion on the other page that we can get back to you councilmember And gave you yeah, I had one more item and I thought you were done. You were looking so but go ahead Also, um under the police budget, uh, there is a line that says reducing first alarm security to patrol specific areas Um now controlled by police and rangers. I just wanted to get clarification if that includes um Upper ocean street because I've heard from merchants and residents that The presence of first alarm has really improved Um, they're just their daily quality of life In that part of ocean street So if I if I can jump into that that is not a cut that's being that's in the budget actually it was it was a consideration Um, but it's not actually proposed recommended action So there is no change to first alarm other than the city hall Okay, I just wanted to have that pointed out. Thank you Okay, so I'd like to go just I know thank you for the handout that had the the core funding Do you have the the community programs and services that 1034 189? Is that the pact? Marcus if you know or someone in city managers at the pact in the most the um community programs and services I apologize. Could you repeat the question on the city manager department summary? There's a light on them where you have the two the community programs, which is The core area. Yes. And then the second one beneath that is community programs and services Exactly, right. It's this sheet too with the two columns. Yes. So this if you look at the the bottom line items for there It'll match up for 19 1,034,188 thousand dollars. This is the complete list The line item list for there So are any of these um programs that are here Things that we can obtain reimbursement for from any outside if we looked at it I know that over time they've kind of expanded as different programs come forward When we think about um, I know we've had discussions with the county about uh, you know different funding sources and you know State dollars that come forward for programs and it seems though the budget right now that Being proposed at the state does have surplus money to go towards homeless services and I've heard from One executive director of a non-profit community saying there is active lobbying That's going on with some of our state legislators about like how these funds are used Do you have any insight as far as are some of these things that we've been directly purchasing? Are they ones that we might be able to get reimbursement for to help decrease our expenses here? The The permanent legislation being considered is the state budget and as martin said earlier there are surpluses And in the governors may revise there were about 359 million dollars In one time monies that might be available to counties to continue them of care COCs in particular as well as um ongoing money on the order of about 30 million dollars Then there have also been assembly and senate versions. I think would have been increasing that amount. So, um There is some language about how that could be distributed, but it's not entirely clear yet But as martin said earlier, we think this could be based on some formula We would want that to be on the on the basis of need And looking at maybe a per capita basis because our homeless individuals per capita is is quite high As council members are aware. So that is an area where we absolutely want to be aggressive and work very closely with our COC because again, the money will be distributed through the cocs We won't be able to for my understanding be able to apply directly as a city But we want to work through cocs. So we've already started engaging in priority discussions Around how do we make sure that the city is very prominently in this conversation our needs? So it has not matured to the point where we would know if we could get any reimbursement for past expenditures. For instance Um, the money this council has spent this year on doing the river street camp if that be eligible or not Or it has to be prospective expenditures that I don't know But I think it's an excellent suggestion and something we certainly want to look at So to answer your question more specifically, I think areas where it could be ripe to Rather than reimbursement, but at least perhaps display spending would be with respect to phase two or the interim homeless facility If you look on the sheet toward the bottom, you'll see two line items that touch on that. You see the winter shelter currently at 171,048 and then the line right below that 100,000 So that's just a placeholder. That's just kind of an estimate for some funds Knowing that we are trying to work toward opening phase two at some point this year So that's so in total 271 thousand dollars is on the table, but it's as yet undesignated So should this money come through it would be our very great hopes that it would supplant this funding And then this would be then available for other general fund purposes Well, I'm just going to put put it out there since we don't know that answer We do have the $50,000 of undesignated funds for continuum I would say that I'd like to put out there as an offset to what's on the table now So that as a one time we take that $50,000 and put it in there to address what's been Suggested to date as that listing There's $50,000 it's undesignated funds For the continued implementation of the 2017 homeless coordinating committee recommendations To make up for the 5% cut is that we're saying to put yet to put to put on to put in this as a one time One time one time offset I'm just hey, if you're looking for money, that's Well, that's a false economy. We know Recommendations are going to be coming forward and that's that's what we've got in the budget to implement them These are undesignated. I don't know where I mean, we do have also the hygiene station That was part of those recommendations That came forward also the interim homeless facility phase two The downtown street teams, they're all you know, they were all part of the discussion we had on this I'm just suggesting and if you know people don't want to support that that's fine I just said let's at least we need to also Balance on both sides of the equation. It's not just a matter of putting new money out there There's got to be ways to to offset it and I'm just suggesting that's undesignated and I would support using it towards those offsets If it'd be helpful for a bit of history on this very briefly So last may when the council adopted the homelessness courting committee recommendations, there were 20 recommendations in there And more than half were short-term solutions to really help address the emergency homelessness needs and some were funded and You see the 30 000 hygiene services expansion is carried on and the lower line item But there are still some things that are undone. For instance Having charging stations across the city. That was one getting a storage program up and going You know, there was energy toward that but then that evolved into the river street camp And I know that there is community energy around that so there's currently no funding for that So it's absolutely, right. It's not designated but just to kind of some flavor of what that could possibly be used for Well, I mean I just so mark is I I'll put it there if and you will see, you know where that lands But that's 50 000 um credit and that's transferring it from that fund Councilor Brown so I was hoping to not go looking for money in the budget and just um find a way to Have our have staff come back to us and Help us figure out where that money might come from but since we're going there I'm just gonna say I have to say it within the city manager's budget We also could just not hire and I'm sorry Um City manager Bernal for saying this right now and assistant city manager a t-initial Do we need another assistant In the city manager's office or could we use that some of that money for some of these? costs Just just throwing it out there Go and make a motion. I mean let's yeah, okay. So I'll make the motion sure we know I'm gonna move The budget and that the money gets transferred From the exact the assistant to the city manager position to community programs. I'm just making the motion right now second Okay, um, well, we've got the motion over the the main motion is the um the adoption of the budget So if it's just on this narrow issue, I mean we'll take that now. We've got a motion and a second on the floor I'll just say I'm I won't support that Um, um, it's not something I feel it's it's not responsive to I think the needs to address Our community and I think it's what it's doing is taking Kind of city services and and not on a short side of the way kind of applying it without really thinking about what the impacts are So I won't be supporting the motion on the floor If I could just Just for a little bit of clarity because I think um, I'm a little bit confused in the process I know that we have a motion on the floor by Cynthia by councilmember Matthews seconded by you that's still on the floor That's right. We were going through the budget to see what changes are but now we've got this is a motion to add this change which would be to Defund the vacant position or to defund a proposed position the city manager's office And use those savings to apply towards Councilmember Brown's request for community program funding if I may before we move on that I appreciate the intention behind that and I agree with the concerns raised by Mayor trazos in terms of the process and I also appreciate your original attention of asking Our city staff and finance director to find the money essentially. I think we have an increase if I can tell from our revenues also of Approximately three million it looks as and maybe Marcus you can clarify But we're there's I think other areas to look Essentially in terms of making priorities and trade-offs, right? I mean, I think we understand that as well I in terms of the community programs conversation if I may at this time Um, I think that it's I completely understand all perspectives. I think it's been Very interesting for me coming in partially into the process knowing that there was a big shift happening in terms of how community programs were was um previously being Funds were being administered to this more collective impacts core process and and it's been um As it should be kind of hard and and um a little bit messy and so I appreciate the The reality of saying we're going to try to find bridges along the way and I appreciated that conversation last year I also appreciate the intention of really recognizing the importance of um Looking at need and looking at impact and looking at collective impact and how we can articulate um As best we can for some of the social services that it's really hard. I think in terms of um Evaluation and assessment, but it's important to start thinking in that way And I think that's also one of the components that I do really really appreciate So I am supportive of reinstating or finding somewhere in the budget I think we can easily find 56 thousand dollars to help with the core cuts. I'd also be open to um looking at a Set aside and I think the problem that I struggle with the community programs committee I'm sorry with the um Cannabis dollars for the children's fund and how that all sort of interconnects is because I think that's still emerging in terms of how the system will be Uncovered and so I think there's absolute potential for that and I don't want to sort of Um, you know encumber those dollars or sort of that process without kind of going through what I think originally was discussed at the previous beating Um, but I think that could go into conversation for the purposes of the budget. I think we could find uh Compromise I know it won't be the full 200 000 but potentially looking at Maybe doubling the set aside amount and not including the transitional dollars knowing that I think You know all the folks that were able to receive funding for the transition could easily use and apply for the set aside dollars as well And I think that's helpful for them to articulate the need as well as the impact. I think it will be really beneficial I agree. There's especially for the for the folks that we're talking about some of the data around Early childhood. There's there's absolute evidence that describes their critical need So my proposal would be to reinstate the five percent cut for the 56 755 dollars and then have the set aside be 90 000 and the transitional year was is is over so that could potentially be Those programs applying for the set aside So that would be what I would put on the table. You know, let me just say this that's you know, you um There's a there's a motion really right now just to deal with this narrow issue about whether to defund that position And there was a second and there's discussion on that and we can come back to the whole concept you were talking about at the funding, but I just want to kind of focus right now on this this issue where uh council member brown made a motion seconded by uh council member crone to defund a position to to apply towards the savings There's a motion in second. I don't support that I'm not sure why why wouldn't we do that with the 50 000 that you've just moved over to and and vote on that or Well, that's what's saying if you could put it in there. I mean she was a motion You're just putting it in there if you made it a motion I just thought you put it in there as a And I just want to ask a process question. I don't understand why this is a motion But the other things are on the list not as motion And we not can we withdraw the motion and go back to just withdraw the motion and have the conversation But council member matthew suggested to make the motion So I said, okay, I'll make the motion because I feel very strongly about this particular piece of the budget and however we Get there, you know, I'm I'm okay with withdrawing it if we can actually have the conversation about how we're going to find funding for community programs Well, um, maybe that's that's the question. Um, we've got these let's put let's make our list of um the individual changes And if you withdraw that motion you have we'll just put it out there Um, again, I just want to be clear. I do not support that And we'll have the continue to have the discussion. Okay, so withdraw that motion And we'll just list it out there as a placeholder Council member chase So then with the points that vice mayor Watkins just made would we then make amendments to this list based on your recommendations? I mean, I think it's just I I'm coming up sort of a look a bit of a compromise essentially A suggestion and knowing that There will be the I think that the challenge is that the community programs hasn't had an opportunity to really fully vet All the different potential policy suggestions for the council to consider So for the purposes of the budget planning today, I think we can um Potentially say we want to reinstate the five percent and then look at a set aside I think the set aside is essential for the times that we're in and the community needs that We as a city might not be able to meet but could support meeting for our residents Um, and knowing that um, there will be also the kind of overlap of the children's fund conversation at that time So to clarify to make sure you understand so you're saying Uh, so for the 56 755, which is the core five percent Reinstate that transitional was intended as one year funding So that's not in the budget But then the set aside was the loi stated it was intended as one year And I'm and knowing that we I think have a new process where it's every three years My hope is that since it's been sort of messy that we can sort of say that we're going to commit to the set aside being available And then revisit that process again after core comes up knowing it the people who didn't get to apply the first time Do you know what i'm saying? So I I'm okay because i'm trying to figure out then is the intention that that stays in there for another year Are we we're just approving it an additional year even though the intention was one year without an additional application process Oh, no, i'm i'm i'm i'm asking for an additional application process. Okay. Sorry. Thank you for it. Okay, so Are you done? I think so. Yes. I mean I the um, Generally we would have a community programs recommendation on this so we don't have one So it's a little bit messy in terms of how the the process is and I like to put out a um Something that just prepared in advance to see just on this issue to see if this is something that might be helpful to kind of Maybe set this aside so that we can have at least some direction on this piece of the core and then focus on the other items in the general general budget This is kind of a maybe a potential Council action we can take which is to accept the staff recommendation for core and set aside funding And direct that the community programs community consider an up to five percent increase in funding Plus the release of set aside letters of interest for a total of 45 000 at mid-year taking into consideration The overall budget forecast of the city that I think gives some space for The committee to kind of look at these things and come back with a consensus recommendation on how to address it I'm sorry. I've been rolling on your motion on my motion. Just a potential language a potential Suggest or suggestion on the potential motion. You would have to make it since the mayor can't make a motion I think that's the idea. Oh, right. Oh, I see. Okay Uh for clarification the when you say five percent increase you mean five percent increase from What's currently being proposed not a five percent increase on top of right? Okay, great That's all um and then 45 to come back to if the budget's looking good at mid-term It's pretty much what you're yeah, that's right. Exactly And so because I'm now completely confused on the process I would like to make this motion, but it doesn't seem like we're making motions now If we're not making motions, can I add this to the list of things that we'll go back and discuss You know, I think if we were able to move forward on this It allows to focus on the general budget and we could we could narrow the listing of Topics that we're covering. So this will have this would go back to community programs to look at I'd just like to hear from the community programs subcommittee if this is this is kind of direction point of order Councilmember Watkins made a motion and I don't know if this encompass your motion or is this something totally different You made a suggestion. I thought you were making a motion um I don't I mean I How I am breathe this is that you're taking it away and then you're thinking about reinstating it Accepting the recommendation and then allowing it to come back after your review You it's the you're on the community programs. Yes, it would be a restoration. I think Yes, it is well Which is which is this been this has been the formal process where before the community programs Committee would give us a recommendation on these. We haven't had that luxury for this budget go-around So that this motion is really adhering to that tradition And so um, I would like to move the motion um Without any any edit any um amendments Okay, and I'll second it for the purposes of discussion so we can move at least this piece forward, okay Is there any discussion on this I mean, I think I I guess I would ask staff for clarification on what that looks like for contracting partners in terms of Removal and then reinstating and I don't know what that looks like for budgeting for this year for their contracts Well, we'd likely would have to amend the contracts at mid-year once you made a decision So we'd have to issue the contracts the way But you can The contracts were written because again, it's a three-year funding process But still they do allow for changes every year because you have the ultimate budget authority and things can change And so it already allows for that. So I don't know mechanically what would happen in terms of the contract But we could deal with that but we would we helped generate the invoices for this as well So we would generate an invoice Um, I guess because we paid twice a year. Is that right? Yeah, yeah, what we would essentially have to do Susie O'Hara principal management analyst is to amend the contract at the beginning of the fiscal year But we do invoice twice so we could make up the difference for the second invoice for the second half of the fiscal year Just having worked with a number of different grant funding I I mean, I think it's that's a fiscal challenge for planning programming and um is going to be burdensome Most likely for the recipient in my opinion just because I've done contracts and received funding So I think in terms of The contracts for for core. I think we can find $56,000 to sustain those without having to remove and then reinstate Um mid-year, especially knowing that um, and I think part of the con sort of the concept behind this Was sort of waiting the outcome of measure s but knowing that that is pretty solid at this point I don't know if that's necessary. So I I don't really support it that way. I don't think that's really functionally helpful Any other other discussion council? I just want to get clear. So you do not support this approach. Is that correct? That's correct. I don't either for a different reason. I think this is a whole Um, workaround of the five percent Okay across the board cut. All right, and and I I agree. I I don't support it for probably a mixture of Vice mayor Watkins and council member Matthews Reasons, but I think we can get some work close to this Hopefully, you know, I'm someone from the community programs has some motion language You might suggest it. I mean, I if I may I think so. So we'll I just I'm going to Withdraw the motion Hearing my colleagues speak and I think they have valid concerns. So I'd like to go ahead and withdraw the motion So we'll continue the discussion Just to specific to the community programs Well, I I would support where in part where vice mayor Watkins was going if I if I understand And it would basically just be kind of a modification of this which would allow for the five the basically Reinstate the five percent proposed reduction For the programs the existing core programs But I would say that I agree with the transitional funding that was intended to be one year So that is still zero and that the Set aside would be an LOI process Right and I and then basically back to the point that I think several council members or vice mayor made was ask the staff to find in the budget the 56 and some some change to make up that five percent And I'll make I'll make that motion I'll second your motion. Thank you and for the and so for the set aside amount my suggestion was 90,000 was that what was the amount you where did the 90,000 come from? I was just considering doubling the Or the amount that was proposed last year since we're removing the transitional dollars Knowing that this could be, you know, we could revisit the 90,000 to as a placeholder For the upcoming budget for this for this purpose And the 90,000 feels a little arbitrary to me only I mean when you think about that the transitional was meant for people to help get through that The bridge right right to help people kind of adapt to the core model. So I would be comfortable Keeping the set aside at the 45 That's where I would like to begin just because that's a number that we started with and I'm not sure why we would add more at this point I'm sure we'll receive applications that are far more than that and perhaps that is a discussion for community programs at that point That could go up or down on that but I would prefer to stay at the 45 Since that's the number that we had to work with I guess in terms of the the question about the amount of the set aside it is Arbitr somewhat arbitrary to suggest 90,000 instead of 45,000 But it also I mean all of this is kind of arbitrary when we really think about it and I understand council member chase your concerns about Saying, you know, we did we did some work to try to get Organizations through a transition period At the same time it's three-year core funding. So None of the programs that the programs that didn't get funding Can't I mean one year of transition in a three-year funding process is not actually a transition because They can't apply for funding again through core for two more years or another year and a half six to one So, you know, I I kind of I just I mean I just feel I would feel more comfortable with and I appreciate my colleagues interest in trying to find some way to Continue to support community programs in the way that we have over the years Um, so I think 90,000 dollars is really not that unrealistic to ask for as a set aside with loi and So your motion was 45. Is that correct? So the motion on the floor. I don't know if you seconded that but it was at 45 Right So you seconded that no, it wasn't originally specified when I seconded it That's true So I was suggesting it be what about um 70,000 or something like that and then making it in the middle That's just as a placeholder for Community programs for consideration. I'm just trying to keep track of where we are now with what was a balanced budget That's no longer a balanced budget with whatever we do whether it's the 45 70 or the 90 we're now Out of balance and that's got to come from somewhere Right, so But tomorrow and I think right I mean if I may um ask a quick question and pause this conversation I did notice that our revenue or um, excuse me our reserves increased significantly The proposed reserves would you mind speaking to that a little bit marcus in terms of the thought behind that? Yeah, there's I'd say there's a couple of clarification points one is I just want to remind measure s it's The funding that we get now from measure s will go to fund our capital projects for 19 And the the plan for the 3 million annual 3.1 million annual for 20 fiscal 20 would help offset the 4.7 hole That's in 20. So we need I mean that's already kind of planned for that regarding the reserves there's a reserve policy council that's based on Essentially a two month reserve. So whatever is our expenditures rise or shrink Two months of that value goes into our general fund reserve. That's step one step two We reduced our reserves down to 10 so that we can create some funding for pension offsets so that's part of our Council action that we'll talk about in the staff report for tuesday Hey, just real quick second take a pause. Um You you made a motion. Okay Was it seconded because we've been I understood you seconded her motion at 45 and if you guys want to amend it But I just were in order to have discussion. There's got to be a motion in a second And if you've made it I want you to restate the motion just so we're all clear You want me to restate the motion? No, sure. Okay, so, um Um motion to restore the proposed five percent core reduction Maintain the zero proposed zero funding for transitional for fiscal year 2019 and allow for a An lli process that allows for up to 45,000 dollars in funding for set-aside programs for fiscal year 2019 I am which is a total of about a hundred thousand Correct And I'll also say as part well, I'll wait till I would see if there's a second Second And there's a motion by council member chase second by council member marion And then I'll say as part of that because I was just looking at this again that part of the discussion Would I would this lli process would go through presumably community programs? And that as a part of that discussion would be the The potential use of the one percent Anibus tax that was designated for youth Programming so that is also that's another Roughly estimated 45,000 That's under that's available potentially for youth related programming Okay, then I send if I could just add We're still waiting on uh to figure out what Money might be available through cdbg community about development block grant So there may be some other places where we can find additional funding Is there any further discussion council member crone Council member matthews No Okay, so Maybe just so we're clear that you're you want to immediately restore the five percent reduction Um, how do we know what funds these are gonna? Oh, I apologize. I didn't do that as part of my motion Which was to direct staff to um Basically find a source of funding for that in the budget to offset Not the most eloquent motion, but I'm getting there better than everything else You're getting us somewhere Which is the second order of the motion. I agree with thank you And just um I I actually prefer the idea of having the community programs look at it with the specific items to come back with um, so in terms of the Having the process for me is really important So that there's a clear recommendation on what the impact is to our budget and also like the programs that support it I do like the idea the of using some of the cannabis funds to To really kind of address some of the youth programs that came up during the public comment period And then also would like to see us Look at where we can get reimbursement based on the kind of proposed Surpluses at the state to see where are there ways that we can get some additional money to help augment our budgets So having that additional process is important for me. And so I don't think at this point I'm ready to support the motion on the floor If um, mayor if you like I'm happy to add that last part I think we've already had a lot of discussion about looking at reimbursement But if you want that to be part of the motion, I'm happy to add that I'm sure Seconder. Oh, yeah. No, I I no, I appreciate it. But still in terms of having the additional process You know having to go back to community programs was my main Kind of thrust in terms of the first motion, but I appreciate you adding it to this motion I'm happy to add that we research Potential reimbursement from state funds or other funding sources related to our community programs Or social services funding And I and I also want to appreciate that you're trying to get it to go back to the community programs committee Because I do think that is what we rely upon in terms of our decision making here as a council I just agree with vice mayor Watkins point in terms of contracting for both sides the city and the providers That's pretty problematic. And so I think it's probably easier to at this point Move forward with the motion as it is. Well, let me ask this then Because what about the utilization of the 50 000 for the The monies that have not been dedicated from the homeless subcommittee recommendations to apply that towards that Both of you were on the homeless I wouldn't be willing to support that because we do have specific ideas for how that money's disease spent It's not 50 000 just floating around going. Hey, we don't know what to do with this there were 20 recommendations and You know distinct ideas on how that money should be spent that we haven't Pursued yet. So I don't want to take that money away. That's a specific city initiative Um, and I think it's important that we support our own initiatives Just just as back when one were those right those were in february of last year May so it's been over a year It's been over a year and I just you know in terms of if we're not using it I mean this is a need that's expressed right now and so let me I'd like to address that because Staff has been spending almost all of their extra waking moments not extra but Regular and extra waking moments on other aspects having to do with the 20 recommendations And it's not that we haven't spent it because we don't want to it's because there's you know A limited amount of time during a day to get to that and I believe now that they have reached You know having the temporary campground there might be a little more leeway at this point to pursue the other ideas I appreciate your points Councilman ryan on that and and we know if we had actually allocated the funding to support all 20 recommendations were several million dollars short on that So just having that 50 000 there To be able to allow us to continue to have these partnership and collaborative collaboration conversations with community partners faith community the county And how to advance these recommendations. I think is really important Certainly staff can come back and say that they would like to take that 50 000 from there and we can consider that as a council But I wouldn't support that They may have that suggestion. Yeah To move mouth use. I always like to have the motion written out Yeah, what are the words of the motion? And to the extent anything Yeah Thank you money to the extent anything is designated for Community programs is that for the community programs the first listing which is the Traditional community programs grant process or is it for that larger category of community programs and services which includes A lot of more recently initiated programs surrounding mental health homelessness Addiction and so forth I you know, I'm just those are the ones that could be reimbursed. That's right. Yeah, exactly Also, if the any of those funds in that secondary program if we could transfer those funds to address this I mean, I would I think that's that's the place that they would come from rather than from a city program I think sometimes when we get into these discussions, right? We I mean for me There's some core city services that we want to make sure that the council stands behind our parks You know the beaches we want to make sure our public safety programs and to the extent that we've set up these pots of money for certain Programs that support, you know, our city mission and values You know, those are funds that we need to like prioritize within those those existing resources I could I just want to remind us here that we're having a conversation about like 0.001 percent of the budget and Just for point of reference Meals on wheels is a I consider that to be a core service to people residents in our city and As the mayor Suggested we had a very good time with people Serving a meal hanging out and you know, I just don't want to see that that program go away And that's what's happening if we if we vote to cut this budget so Just a reminder about I mean, these are real people in the world who are served by non-profits that in the city But they're city residents and So it's just this is why I feel so strongly about this particular piece of the budget Okay, there's a motion language you requested So the the last part was to direct staff to um That was kind that was trying to incorporate. Oh to locate. Yeah a funding source within our budget to offset these increases and then we added on what the mayor suggested in terms of And seek reimbursement wherever possible from state surplus funds Or seek reimbursement wherever possible In general always Five percent Okay, so everybody's conferring on this, um, do you But I think the language should be to restore The proposed five percent cut for community services Otherwise, it doesn't say what reduction are you talking about? Yeah All right, am I should be for the core for the three or core core contracts. That's for core contracts. Yeah, get rid of the word Oh, yeah, I got it. All right Thank you for typing that out trend zero percent funding for transitional Programming I guess for 2018 transition Just transition because the set aside is the separate is the second and the third one for 2008 and allow for Um, and do we want to I think I said in there also the LOI process to go through the community programs committee I recommend And and so you say allow for that means to designate 45,000 Designate up to budget right not allow for is not it might happen Designate Say up to And then the last sentence direct staff to locate funding sources Because that might be multiple. Yeah, I could be sources. Yeah Thank you, Bonnie Yeah, thanks for putting up with us Do you want are you thinking of any direction where I mean I mean obviously this is not you know We we just went over our entire budget But I mean what are the programs that we don't want to deduct from because I can tell you I do not want to see Any deductions from our city core services. I mean I'd like it to be Well, typically staff comes back with a recommendation of where it's going to come from and we vote on that Well, we can do just come up with a list of options that you can go through and And we'll look for other possibilities as well And just so everyone knows the amount is around a hundred one thousand dollars that we're asking for them to come back and ask You know us to to um either cut or rearrange or Though it's a hundred one thousand dollars If they may be that we might have to come back on the 26th of June, which is it just still within the time frame to adopt a budget but because the 12 packet goes out tomorrow, so we might have time to do that All right, that's fine Any other discussion? Okay, well, I'll just say I appreciate the clarity. I'm going to vote against it, but Okay, we have I and I'm sorry. I just want to say a couple things too. I um, I was ready to just support the staff recommendation because You know, I think The unfortunately the choices we have to make stink I don't like them at all, but um, you know, I think I'm this is a compromise among How a lot of us feel on the council right now There's not one service that I heard about today that I don't support and that My heart doesn't just sing with joy when I hear about the wonderful things going on at You know the lunches at at loud nelson But unfortunately for us we have to have a wider view of everything that's going on in the city and so This is just this is gut-wrenching and heart-wrenching to have to make these decisions. So I hope the folks that came and spoke understand the position that we're in that there's no one up here Really happy that we have to make any of these decisions Accounts remember chase. Yeah, I just wanted to say also that there is this sort of dichotomy that's been put out there that What the city funding our general fund to city services is not also Serving the community and not meeting the needs of vulnerable people things that we do every single day as a city With our departments that we heard about this morning are also meeting the needs of very vulnerable people in our community So the idea that one Is funding something that the other is not is not actually accurate And so this is just you know I just think it's important to make it so that it's not that these things are in opposition and that The city services that we provide on a day-to-day basis are meeting the needs of our entire community Many of whom are quite vulnerable Thank you for Okay, and I mentioned I'm not going to support this for reasons different than councilman matthews and then I really appreciate when we have the The recommendation that comes from the community programs committee that kind of identifies where these funds are So we do have a clear budget picture and I feel like it kind of leaves it open a little bit this year So at this point, um, we'll call for a vote. All those in favor. Please say aye. Aye Those opposed. No, okay. So that passes with You still have another motion from sent I know This is just on the this is just on the core issue. Then we're going to go back to the main motion We'll I know it is to the core mode. Yes. So Those that passed with council member brown council member neroyan vice mayor wakins Um crone and chase in favor and councilman matthews myself opposed Okay, so now we'll go back to the main motion I had just a question about um 12 20 river street and where does that show up? That funding show up in the uh the budget. Is it in the city manager budget or is it somewhere else? The emergency the emergency Yes, it's it's in this chart it would be um The uh interim homeless facility phase two plus the winter shelter Um, and we may have to use some of that Undesignated to but that's I was going to say isn't it 90 000 or something in this pot? Well, this would be our proportionate you know our proportionate share of a regional shelter When does that start we don't know Well, as you recall at the lax council meeting council requested that the the the county Let you know whether they're willing to participate as I understand they're They're working on that and we are waiting a response and so we'll report on that So the idea is that whatever phase two will evolve into a regional facility And so this would pay for our proportionate share And then the other cities and the county would pay for their share Thanks All right, so then we have a couple items that were added. Um I don't know mark. Marcus you're doing a great job trying to keep in track of this I feel like you know, this is keeping budget score So If you go I got to know how where it was, but I know chris you had brought up the issue of the council salary um You had the park ranger there from, uh Reinstate in the park ranger So those we've already got the the core piece community programs piece done So now it's just any other items that weren't on there council member crone going back to what council member wattkins was saying before about uh, you're you're making some sort of relationship between first alarm and uh mental health Liaisons, did you have an idea on that or did you I didn't get if that was a That was um Sorry, I just put a bit that was that was an example that I just that came to mind for me in terms of data and evaluation and outcomes and if we're investing What how are we seeing The ultimate results that we want to see from that investment and one of the examples was it was shifting and involving And so the need wasn't the same and so we sort of cut you know changed it and so I mean that that was only trying to make that connection and also see how we can ensure That we're putting the money where we're seeing the most impact that we want to see And I think that was an example for that specific thing And I would hope to see that actually pretty much across the board really I mean because that's ultimately what we want to see we want to we want to know what we're doing for the money that we're Applying places and it's not simple always I think but I do believe that um We can we can start moving in a direction that's being outcomes based And we have to if we're going to have foreseeable fiscal challenges that are going to require tough cuts in my opinion So that that was sort of the bigger point. I was hoping to make so presumably the mental health care liaisons will be tackling Issues that first alarm is dealing with with more enforcement kind of I mean I think in that specific example, I'll leave that up to our you know our our um Folks in the field. I think we want to I as sort of a policy from a policy perspective feel that I'm assuming the council as well Wants to see the greatest impact for public safety as possible and ensure that the officers and the community are experiencing a way to draw on their their best like traits and skills and That they're seeing an increase in mental health Where they're feeling they you know, I mean this is hypothetical So they're seeing that then I think we want to make sure that they're having the resources to meet that need Because that's the current need and that's the outcome. We want to see is as different as opposed to potentially just a security presence Which may be something we do want but it shifted particularly in the example of you know I mean in terms of the of the courtyard here So that was sort of just the bigger kind of connection I was hoping to make and I'll leave it up to them to help us understand those needs And the um evaluation of how we're being able to meet the needs and the public safety needs of the community So that I mean for clarity Johnson move mouth use I think what we heard is that there is in fact not going to be a functional Decrease in ranger presence as a result of the budget savings. Is that a correct statement? So you could probably eliminate that Line is that yours? That was yours. Is that correct statement? Sorry? I got distracted. I was looking up something on the so It's the what we heard rangers. That was mine Um, and we heard that the budget savings Can be achieved by Not using not needing Unused over time or what I and that there would not be a functional difference and so we can yeah I remember now so what I am concerned with though is I'm still getting reports from people and their experiences and parks being negative in that The idea of cutting anything even you know, I was surprised that we have overtime hours That haven't been used when you consider people's concerns around their experiences in our parks So what I would like to do is I'd willing to take this off, but through the public safety committee I would like to maybe tackle this issue and get reports from parks and rec and from the police department on how we're doing with our calls for service And just reports from the public on their experiences in our parks Mid-year we review and see you know with the statuses of the program to see if there's any impacts Right, exactly And I think we can do that through the public safety committee and if we find that changes need to be uh take place We can bring that to the council Okay, that sounds like a plan. So maybe yeah refer back to public safety mid-year review Just I agree on that. I think we could probably use more Rangers and first alarm both um, but We don't have that possibility right now. So uh any reports that we get back should be Not just on our parks, but our public facilities and Other areas that the the rangers Just the rangers are present. Well, I actually wanted to that would be ideal But specifically parks are open space where everyone is supposed to be able to enjoy Those areas and it's you know when we talk about you know vulnerable people Our parks are used by vulnerable people because they tend to live in smaller units that don't have yards So I think it's especially important that our parks are welcoming and safe for people to use Regardless of whether you're housed or not housed or what your age is Okay, so what I heard is there is no reduction in this budget for the ranger program. So we maintain the same Uh resources that are available for downtown or parks and beaches and open space and then we're going to come back and look at what the status is Back mid-year. So so I think that's something um where we have the same resources and you can check in individually and let us know If there's anything needs to be updated before then Absolutely, okay So the then the that leaves the item with the um council member crone And so that's the last item on there I did bring up a question about kind of how the council Council budget was set up and I'm going to reserve that and I'll talk offline on that just In terms of where those funds are So we have this um council pay is um We could take um the council member motion that's on there to adopt the main The main motion um with this change is that do you want to incorporate it into your into your motion? council member matthews um It's $11,000 difference. Is there any other area we could take it out of within our own budget? We used to have Well, we did have that's the thing there was that there was a there was a question Um, that's that was my question. There was some that was special projects. I understand that's been Moved again, that's one we we can look at accommodate. Yeah, I that's come up in the past And I think there's validity to that. So, you know, I'll incorporate that one. Okay So that's so that's incorporated in the main match. So, um approve the budget with the uh direction to Prepare I think you need to do a resolution. It has to be done by ordinance bring it back for So there's a motion in the second on the floor. Can I get clarification? So the increasing council pay will come back to us Yeah, okay. I um, I actually don't support increasing council pay considering everything right now because increasing our pay five percent is not going to make, um A significant difference in it's not like a five percent increase will suddenly mean that I can quit my second job and do this full time um, so And considering that, you know, we are um, it feels like we're running on fumes right now with our budget I can't support even considering that unless it was actually um game changing money where a council member wouldn't have to work three or two jobs to be able to do this Okay, so you but you support the adoption of the budgets But you just for the record do not support the uh increase in salary just so well even considering it I do not support it. All right So we'll just make just my point of clarification the the five percent is what's provided for in the city charter So that's that really is the most that you could do But in the right but in the past we have Rejected that right. We have decided to not yes. Yes, you don't have to do it But that's the what the charter provides for so you couldn't go above that just by the city charter requirements All right councilmember chase. I just wanted to um, I wanted to appreciate the intention of councilmember crone's motion here And also respond to the points that councilmember narayan made because I am one of those people who has three jobs um And it I think this actually warrants a larger discussion amongst councilmembers and along with the city manager's office of what it takes to be um A councilmember and the amount of service that we do in support of this city that really Demands a lot from us as they should And our ability to actually meet those demands and how difficult that is getting For those of us who have Committed to public service and are so challenged with the ability to Live in this community and continue to be public servants and also Um show up in our own lives So I I would like to have some Forum in which the council can discuss this with the city manager's office and maybe Come up with some ideas of how we could make it More feasible for for us and for others to consider serving councilmember narayan Yeah, and I want to say too. I'm sorry. I didn't say that Councilmember crone. I totally appreciate The spirit in which you bring this forward Because I think you know a councilmember gave me recommendation when I first started to track my hours And I think it came out to around $8 an hour between all of the committee meetings and meeting with neighbors and I've enjoyed Having this role But I can't help but think how much better we could all serve the city if these perhaps were full-time positions And I think that's a community discussion though That includes a community and they they can decide what type of council they want Do they want us to continue kind of um, you know doing this is by the skin of our teeth so to speak Which is what we're doing or you know, do they want to only have people that are independently wealthy or retired be able to do the position Do they want people who are currently working in the community or have children be able to do this position? So I think it would be a great community dialogue and I'd like to hear what the public's thinking on this Councilmember matthewson, I'll just say I agree with you all and so I am going to withdraw my motion appreciate where it comes from but it has come up Over and over and over and over again And there are many years when the council particularly in the lean years did not take its permitted increase So it's not as though this has been done routinely. I can't even remember if we did it last year, but Uh, I I do think it's appropriate to adjust the council Um compensation Periodically, but I also know it's a much deeper question. It's a much bigger job than it used to be so Um, I'm willing to withdraw the motion with the understanding that we tackle this at some point in coming year Great, you know, we may end up in basically the same place, but at least it will be a more complete discussion Absolutely Okay, so then There is no so you removing your motion to adopt the budget. No, no, no to do the 11 the five percent increase for You're still keeping the increase in as the city. Okay. No, you're taking that out. Okay It's just the adopts the budget without the without the increase So there's but actually so it's just so is there any further discussion on that? Oh, is that a separate separate issue then you want to you'd have to do a separate motion Oh, well, no, if I may I thought they were bringing us back the um the ordinance and we would vote on it at that time She just withdrew that portion of it. She just after the discussion. She's I was influenced by the discussion that it needs a deeper Exploration So there you go. There's a motion on the floor for the adoption of the budget without I mean, I'm sure I'd make a motion to keep it in. I mean why I don't understand It's um, I think it's about access and equity and I think that building it up So somebody in town the future can actually run who would not be able to You know getting the salary up It's not a bad thing. It's a good thing and it takes pressure financial pressure off people I was gonna say that I I would tend to agree with that But I think the problem I have is that we're asking all the departments to make five percent cuts Then we're even asking them to come back with Finding a hundred and one thousand more dollars and what they've recommended and that um, I'm just thinking and we've just asked the voters For a quarter percent sales tax increase that I'm just thinking that this year taking a raise just Doesn't feel right to me Considering everything and then considering the fact that it really at least for me is not life changing money It just it's not going to make Much of a difference. I think for most of us here to earn what 10 to 15 extra I don't know how much extra dollars a month it would be So that's why I'm I'm not feeling it in terms of keeping it in One thing that I heard from the conversation was that this would be a conversation that we would have for forthcoming And one possible solution could be that we revisit this after that conversation take takes place at the mid-year budget That makes that would that feel good for everybody that sort of to make that the timeline For for you councilmember come noting that we want to have a more in-depth conversation But we'll relook at the potential budget change in mid-year As a compromise No, it doesn't feel good because I think that we should be trying to do this for the next generation of council member And I'm not saying that this is a make or break and I understand what's being said But if we don't keep doing this it's it's going to keep going less and less and less And this is not really a raise. This is just like keeping up or you know, not keeping up even If I mean I mean I think costs are going to be with the increase Only a quarter. I don't I don't think there's any disagreement about that I think that that if if anything it's more in-depth conversation that could even result in something else and so I think um Hopefully it will provide more of more because I I mean I I I agree with all the points raised and I have a job I have kids sure it would help I have child care expenses and I think you know We should have a really thoughtful conversation about that and I don't think that takes that off the table It just would postpone it after that conversation takes place that could look exactly as you're describing or potentially different after the conversation ensues At mid-year, so just saying we're going to have the conversation then at mid-year revisit it Looks like you have to get off or something A few years ago. I'm not recalling the exact year. There was a council subcommittee That took up the charge of a council compensation subcommittee and it was three council members I know council member robinson was on it Comstock and there was and uh brian maybe I I don't recall I will find that report email it to you But that might be a model you want to consider because it was the same sort of challenges It's it's the balance the workload the the change in the workload with the change of social media and communications Expectations of there are of our community members in the compensation So I will send that around so maybe that might spur some thinking around how to tackle the conversation I appreciate that and and that's kind of where I was going with this I think that I completely agree with the points that have been made and I think that we need to come up with something more substantive To to really address this Yeah, and for me, it's I think I everyone's spoken on this But I'll just say that it's it's not just about the salary. It's the structure It's the availability of resources that support the position because it really people I don't think realize that the position is just you know, you um, you are basically You are one man and woman show in terms of like when you when you go out and do the community There are no staff members that are supporting you Um, to you know, a certain degree in terms of your work And I think it's important that one we take a more of a comprehensive look in addition to the salary As well as kind of the structure. So I mean in that spirit I may appreciate council member crone putting it out there. Maybe we'll have a and then in your term Um, I had a discussion fairly soon about this issue I say let's have it soon. So that way we can revisit Okay, well, maybe we just go back to the five percent increases or we look at fundamentally changing how Council functions in regards to salaries. Yeah, okay. Okay. So then we'll go back We have the main motion on the floor from council member Matthews I seconded that to adopt the budget with the changes that we've discussed and as well as the Kind of amendment for the the core programs Um, all those If there's no further discussion all those in favor, please say aye. Aye those opposed That passes unanimously Okay, so there's one I want to go back if we go back to that one sheet Just we have I think one other item if we can and that's the motion we had about the the harvey west I thought that was included. No it wasn't She didn't want you didn't include that No, but isn't that the pool? No. Yeah, you didn't include it I thought carol said she could just no so You want this is yeah. Yeah, so I thought So Bonnie that one. Okay. Yeah, I know I'm not trying to yeah, I got you You know, I'm happy to do that as a separate direction. I mean that to me is not a budget item That does not have to do with what are we doing? I think um, the the request was to have a motion on it Just so it's there's a record for fiscal impact and if you want to this is the language on the second one We'll I think our ad hoc subcommittee will bring back that first one after we're concluded With maybe some modification Oh, yeah to return to by um, september october depending It's it said you could actually just put it instead of mid-year september september or october You're making this motion. Yes I move this motion Um And then I mean be for to potential open. I mean to open the pool essentially Can we make it work? Oh, that's a different thing That's what you would decide when you get the fiscal impact as we would decide But that's the intention of understanding the information, right? Okay, so do you want to move? I mean it's not necessarily Just to know well you could make some Improvements in the energy efficiency that would just reduce the cost of operating it at its current level for example I would like to um propose that we make The intention to be to reopen the pool beyond its current level We could we could not do that by october to understand that information I'm to reopen the pool. We could not reopen the pool. No. No. No. I'm sorry not to reopen the pool by october I just was wondering what we if we could know what it would take by october to do that Okay, that's what i'm asking apologies for the confusion. It's like why I would second that if that's a motion that is a motion and it's not if excuse me not really reopening but expanding the open season For the pool because it is open in the summer. That's that's that's right Thank you, bonnie for Just so we have the information to go off of So do you see that for um expand so where it says operational considerations Um to expand service hours for the harboury for west pool operations Yes Right above after Strike there for real I need reopening there after after considerations take out for reopening and Okay, so that's a motion by uh vice mayor walk-in second by um councilmember crone Any further discussion? All those in favour, please say aye. Aye Okay, that any opposed that passes unanimously Um, is there any other items from the budget that you want to kind of raise now or I know we're gonna have this come back for a final adoption, but is there any other things that you want to address No, I'll just want to say that it's this has been a pleasure working with the fiscal resources staff I just think that you've done an amazing job not only in the community engagement But also the materials that you've prepared and responded to I know I've heard from community members That commented on the high level of professionalism And responses that you gave in regards to the issues we have so I mean, I know we've gone through the budget today and Addressed this but I can tell you there was a whole lot of work that went on behind the scenes That the staff did and responded to that was amazing um I've been really appreciative of going through this budget process Working with my committee members council member brown and vice mayor walk-ins because I feel like we had a really good discussion on these issues in terms of how we engaged with You not only a consultant group to get outside information But also the community members that help give us really good insight as far as how we can Utilize this budget kind of review process moving forward And so I just want to be very also appreciative of the community for one You know their support of the city and their confidence in our budget picture We've you have a balanced budget And I think we need to really be mindful of the great resources that we have here as a city There are a lot of cities that aren't in the same situation that we are that aren't having to struggle over You know these line items that we're talking about And I feel like this gives us some space to really focus on the outcomes and the priorities we want to see for our town So I just want to kind of put that out there and thank All those involved in in putting this together and when we finalize we'll have another round of thanks. I believe council member brown I just want to reiterate Exactly my thoughts and say, you know Marcus the work that you Have been doing to make and your department has done to make this process Runs pretty smoothly for us Is is just phenomenal and I know that you just take it so seriously. So I just want to appreciate that and Also all of our city staff who are here and others in the community We're coming out and paying attention to this kind of boring process So um on that we'll adjourn the meeting and we'll we'll return back on tuesday june 12th for our regularly scheduled council meeting All right, thank you or possibly the 26. No, no not for the budget, but just a regular meeting on the 12th, but yeah, that's right That's right. I'll be here on the 12th