 A very good Monday morning to you. You are watching youth and politics only on Y2Five4. You'll be right breakfast show. We do this every week from Mondays to Fridays. My name is Hilda Wadi. So make sure you do stand by and contribute in the conversation. On Twitter you can find us at Y2Five4 channel. The hashtag is Y2Five4 in the morning. Hashtag youth and politics if you like to be more specific. And on Facebook we are at Y2Five4. On Instagram we are at Y2Five4 underscore channel. And in case you miss any of the valuable insight here, you can find us on YouTube at Y2Five4 channel. And you guys, my name is Joy Mochache. Welcome once again to youth and politics. You can find me on Twitter on joy underscore mochache. We've got two wonderful guests with us here today on youth and politics. I'll begin with the one sitting on my right. His name is Benjamin Kenga Akida. He's our political analyst for today. He's the one who is going to be digging in to be telling us what certain things we're going to be discussing really are about. And our next guest is Beverly Owino. She's a constituency representative of Langata constituency under the youth governance of Kenya. She's a wonderful lady and she's actually very beautiful. And we're glad to have her here. And we love to celebrate women on this show, but this is not the show for women, but we're glad to have her here. And she's a youth and you guys, she's in a leadership position. So it's a big deal. Yes. And today we are discussing is are we ready? Are we ready? The youth in Kenya have been complaining that we are not involved when it comes to governance. But even if we were to be involved, are we ready? However, it's about the time we let our guests say good morning to you before we delve into the conversation. Good morning. My name is Beverly Owino. I'm a fourth-year engineering student at Multimedia University of Kenya. I'm here courtesy of Youth Governors Kenya. You can reach me on my social media accounts, Beverly Akini 3 on Twitter and Beverly Owino on Facebook. Thank you. Good morning. My name is Benjamin Kengakida. I'm a student of political science and public administration all the way from from Moore University and Caliphate County. I'm here today to give out my views on youth and politics. And today for our discussion for the very first time. Oh my God, I forgot your social media handle. Oh, you can find me on Facebook at Benjamin Kengak. Okay. I hope that clarification has reached home. Anyway, today on Youth and Politics, we're going to break them. We're not any of the discussion. Today, we are going to be playing a small game. We're going to talk about the big, the big five when it comes to youth leadership in this country. The big five. What does this think? That standing in the way of us achieving whatever it is you want to achieve. And with us today on the table, we have five placards which each of us is going to pick and we're going to discuss on that particular issue. So feel free to weigh in on any of this above big five issues that are standing in the way between whether or not we participate when it comes to governance. Okay. So I don't know if we start from Joy. Joy, you want to start? You want to pick one? Sure, I can pick something. I hope I'm not too far. Let's see. I have picked out youth, power and attitude. Power and attitude. To be specific, power and attitude. Okay. So power and attitude. And a power and attitude are very esteemed guests. When it comes to the youth who have already gotten into positions of leadership and have the power, many Kenyans have been complaining that they have not done anything with that power. So does it affect us when we get there? So let me understand from Beverly. Thank you. Before we get to talking about the youth that are already in power, let's talk about the youth that are striving to get to power or that are on the outside. So what's happening is the youth are not aware that politics is an important part of their lives. You see, Pericles says that we may not take interest in politics, but that does not mean that interest... I mean, politics won't take interest in you. Everything we do... Oh, repeat that one again. Please repeat that one. I want the youth to catch this one. You may not take interest in politics, but politics will take interest in you. Like, for example, all the issues that affect us as the youth, not only the youth, but the women, the men, the children, everything sums up to politics. The things we complain about, lack of quality education, water shortage, things like that. Zotiz and Nakam, they sum up to politics. So it's high time the youth embraced politics as something they can't live without. Then about the youth in power, I'm not sure about the challenges that they really face up there, but maybe, okay, going by the challenges they face to get to those positions. You see, vying as a youth, it's very difficult for them because they have to go through intimidations by the older people. You see where they say, no, we can't be led by this young person. He doesn't even know how to manage a family and stuff. But the youth needs support. We need the support to get what we want. When they go into those... When they go vying for those leadership positions, they are enthusiastic and energetic that they're going to do this. They're going to make sure this is achieved. But they need the support to keep the energy. You see, because this interest can dissipate at any time. Okay, so you're saying what's lacking when it comes to attitude and youth in inside power is the lack of support. The lack of support could be one of them. Yeah, and also the thought that we've got maybe a generation that does not think that they could be led by someone who is younger. Or they have maybe a mindset that's very uncomfortable with that. They're like, this person is young. How can they govern me? Yeah, something of that sort. Then also, I think maybe we should look into these positions. Do they really hold those positions? Or rather, for example, the youth's government, we don't know what positions they really actually hold. There are very few. We have, okay, the MPs, have people like Honorable Babuino. But the top officials in the youth are, how do you call them? Youth governing positions. Yeah, youth governing positions. Most of them are not youths. So we really can't blame the youths for not working while there. Okay, what do you mean most of them are not really youths? Because from last year, I remember last year, there was some meeting which was headed, okay, we went to KICC, and we were supposed to talk about safe spaces for youths in Kenya. I tell you, three-quarter of the people who were there to talk to us were not youths. Oh. As I saw it, they weren't quite youths. But even if they were, they weren't for us. Like after the whole talk, I went home feeling more empty than I went there. Yeah, something of that sort. Can we give Benjamin a chance as well to say something about this? Actually, there are mixed reactions among the youth towards politics. People don't just get it. It is based on the stereotypes that our society and our cultures have been having for so long. Youth has been dominated by older men actually. Why? Because the youth do not have resources actually to move into these spheres. And the current leadership has neglected to try to bring the youth aboard alongside, to govern or to lead alongside. The youth are just being used to intimidate, to achieve goals. But the youth themselves have not realized school. They have the power to change things. What I'm hearing from both of you is you're tackling the issue of attitude more. The issue of attitude towards young people and that young people have towards politics. But there's also the issue of power because there are some who have gotten to that, to those positions. Very, very true. Yes, there are some young members of parliament that are there who are below 35. However, I liked what you had said when we discussed previously. You talked about that those in power aren't really in power. Why don't you expand more on that? The ones in power aren't really in power because for them to go to the levels of power, they're sponsored by well-connected individuals. Some other times these youths are either former student leaders who are sponsored by politicians to enter into the political circles, or they could be children of the political elite. The major thing that you are seeing, the Kenyan leaders, they have a habit of welcoming on board their kids or their relatives, or depending on connection. If you don't have a connection, since the youth don't have money to fund themselves, there's no way they'll be in positions of power. That's why we say the ones in positions of power are not actually in positions of power because they are not the ones holding the reins. They are being controlled by people from above. It's a good thing that a current bill has been passed on non-political sponsorship or sponsorship for political parties. I believe this is a good thing for the youth because the youth do not have resources to venture out into politics. If political parties are going to be sponsored, it means that we are going to get youth that couldn't sponsor themselves to now come into the sphere of leadership. So basically the campaign advantage is going to cease to exist after this bill is passed. However, let me hear from Beverly. You are in a position of power yourself and our analyst here is accusing you guys of being controlled by people. So can you tell us, is this true? Okay, so under my position actually, I work under an organization, Youth Governors Kenya. We are not owned by anyone and we are not elected to those positions. It's actually voluntary, you see. So we came up and thought, let's do something for the youth. Let's educate the youth on what they need. Let's empower them. So in my position, I think I'm doing what I can so far. I attend mentorships at high schools and primary schools. Give them civic education, tell them their rights. Teach them about the electoral process and what they should expect. Teach them how to vote in the right leaders and things of the sort. Okay, let's finish on that one. Can I add on that? Let's conclude on this one. It's a good thing that you say the leadership position that you represent is voluntary. Unfortunately, the government, the policy makers, have not set up systems to put these leaders into place. Because this is a leader, but it's a personal leader. Working individually for an organization. We are the institutions that are supposed to nurture these leaders. Exactly. The government institutions. Okay, and what to do with such organizations formed by the youth is that just like he said, they're overtaken by political leaders who then corrupt the system. You see, that's why they don't get far most of them. Youth Governors can isn't the first youth organization that has been formed targeting the youth. Many have been formed before and others are yet to be formed. But they fail to come to fruition and achieve their goals because they're corrupted by politicians somewhere in the middle. The structure is not necessarily a pure road to travel on. It's one based on, okay, there's not much merit, maybe. Maybe you have to know somebody like he mentioned. It's not really based on the fact that merit or I can do this, I can lead the people. I can understand that. I can understand that. And to conclude this topic about attitude, because we need to go into the next topic. Attitude, what I'm seeing, it's very important when it comes to leadership. Especially when you put someone into a position of leadership. In your mind, you really need to believe that this person is going to do something for me. That is what a leadership feeling should bring about. But when you're bringing about the feeling of putting people down because maybe they're younger than you or thinking that I don't think you can govern, I feel like since I'm older than you, I think I should be the one that is telling you what to do. There is a problem with that. And so mindset, mindset and attitude is really, really something we need to work in as a country if we want our youth to take on positions in the government. I like that. I like that. So in conclusion, I've understood is the attitude of the older generation needs to change towards the youth and leadership. And also the attitude of the youth has to change towards politics and governance. Okay. All right. Yes, Benjamin, you can pick the next one. And tell us what it's about. Yes. The next topic is gender. Okay. Gender. Okay. I know Beverly must be very excited for this. So let's talk about gender. Gender, when it comes to gender, are there any stereotypes that stand in the way of youth representing us? Let me hear from Beverly. Thank you once again. Gender. So what do we understand when we say gender? Gender, let's talk about the, for example, the two-thirds gender role. This is something that was introduced in, say, 2010. And it's supposed to ensure that not more than two-thirds of the members represented in parliament are from one gender. Till now, I don't think that has been implemented. For reasons I don't understand quite much. I feel that the women have been marginalized politically. Okay. We should be given, okay, we've been given chances but we still are not living up to the chances. I can't blame it on the society for not giving us the chances because for sure women have been given the platform. We've been supported, recently we've been supported and we've been encouraged to take up these leadership positions. So I call upon women actually, my call is to women to rise up and take up these positions. Most positions that are owned by women in the government are denominated. They were not elected, you see. So we want a situation where the women can vie and be elected to be in those positions. Let it not be that we're there because, okay, we're being favored or something. Let's fight for those positions. No, actually you're there because we need to fulfill the two over three percent. Because we need to fulfill that. You might as well take that position. No, it's not fair. We have to fight for the positions because we can and of course most of us want to. Can I throw something at you that you said I think in passing but I really feel is a root of the problem? I think women also, to be specific, African women maybe don't feel like they are free to lead. I think because of the kind of traditions we have, the kind of cultures we have, going back to attitude but not really touching on it too much, that attitude also goes towards women. Because if you're saying that most of our people are men, then that means that they're thinking, ah, women also, I don't want a woman to lead me. Your work is probably go to the office, come home and cook for me and that's what you should be doing. I don't see you sitting here. I don't even want to picture you sitting here governing maybe a constituency or something of the sort. And really, really that's what I feel like is the issue. The men are not giving the women a chance and also the women are not feeling comfortable because of that mindset that you guys don't even believe in us. Women are not even electing women. Exactly. Exactly. We don't support each other. We don't vote in women. So the men are looking at us like, okay, so whose problem is this? Exactly. Anyway, let's hear from Ana. A good thing is about the perspective towards gender and towards women. It's changing for the better. Put your mic out. Politically speaking, socially speaking, women and fathers are beginning to trust on their daughters. Oh really? Oh wow. Our society is beginning to believe in women. If we go to the political class, we have been hearing talks about gender equality, but are the leaders having the goodwill for real gender equality? Because as we talk of gender equality, we must not ignore other factors. For example, our cultural factors, we shouldn't ignore our cultural background, even if we are going to venture out into the contemporary world about gender equality. It's a good thing because women hold up the other half of the sky. If we don't call them to duty, if we are not at equal terms with them, our society, we talk about it. So, we are going to go to the other half of the sky to talk about the women. We have to be open to the women. I would say that it's a gender issue. But why is it a gender issue? To neglect other genders. Because it's a gender topic. You want to bring more? It looks like a woman's or a girl's topic. It's not a girl's topic. It's also a thing. The boy child issues are gender related issues. And the issues about homosexuality and such stuff, even though our culture has not moved forward in this contemporary world, we are going to move forward into such directions. So, our leaders, our policy makers, should begin now looking at gender constructively rather than... Destructively. Some other times we see some gender-based organization are in it for business. This is not business. Our issues about our girls, our women, our boys, our men, these are not issues to make business out of or to create fun out of. These are real issues. For us to move forward, as a society, we should move together as one. As one. So, it's about the balance. It's not really about any gender. It's just balance. Finding the balance. I think we're done with that. I think we've... Do you have anything to add before we... Just a thing. Let's empower the girl child and educate the boy child on how to deal with the empowered girl child. How to accept the empowered girl child. Empowering them also. I think by that we could reach that balance. Exactly. I have another thing to add for the boy child. Real quick for the boy child. As my child, if you want to empower the girls, we must acknowledge certain facts. The region does not like history, philosophy. And biology or chemistry does not change. As much as we are calling for gender equality, we must realize who are the men I've been at the forefront of the society. These are the guys who work up to go to work. These are the guys who fight battles for their family. As much as the women are going to be empowered, I want to urge the people out there, through your empowerment, don't cause a new to other rights now. Okay. Don't oppress other rights. I like that. So you're still on balance. You don't get the power and then come in oppressed. Okay. Interesting. So now I think it's your turn, Beverly. Pick one. This is money and financial security. Okay. Money and financial security. Money. This one I think even we started talking about. From the very beginning. Yes. When it comes to financial security among young people, could that be something that's standing in the way between our participation in the government? So let's hear from our leaders over here. Let's find out what they think. Do you have anything for them when it comes? Because I can already tell you, it's talked about the campaign, that's going to help the young people, the young people not have that unfair advantage when it comes to campaigning for political seats. So I'd like to understand when it comes to financial security. What do you have to tell the young people? When it comes to money and financial security, I think the first thing that comes to our minds is unemployment. And it stands now. The major problem facing the youth in Kenya I think is unemployment. We don't know where we can get the money to see how we move forward. So I think what you can do about this is to we can't all go to, okay, all of us are supposed to go to school, but you don't all expect to get out of campus and land on jobs immediately. So I think we could talk to our youths. We could do many things that could help them know how to cope to do with finance. Say we could encourage the youth skill development. Skills are long-term. When you have a skill, you can always use your skill to add a livelihood, help others or something of that sort. So we should encourage youth skill development and also inculcate the spirit of entrepreneurship among the youth. The youth lack opportunities, you see. So once we give them the opportunity to grow in what they can do, see someone knows how to weave and sell what you get from that. So you're going to be able to add a livelihood. A nation that has, okay, let's say, in a country like Kenya, the youth are the most populated. We have the majority. So when all of us, if it happens that all of us have jobs in order to earn a way of income, earn some income, our nation is going to be more economically stable. But if you're talking about youth and money as well, yes, it is the fact of unemployment and also the fact that, and this touches on another topic we're going to discuss a little bit later on, our education system, because it's more of, I don't know, we need to teach our people more of a skill-based education. That is what is important for us. Not so much, you know, biology and learning the parts of a low-cost and those are things which are not going to help anyone in this lifetime. I don't even remember the body parts of a low-cost. A low-cost is very important. Do you know a low-cost can cause us to starve in this country? That is true. But what's the probability, what's the probability of that than teaching me something that's actually going to help me understand? Maybe teach me how to save money, teach me how to, maybe a short, very simple accounting class or something to teach me how important money is so I don't throw it. Because I feel like another issue we have is our youth throw money, especially girls. We have an issue with savings. We don't know how to save. I don't know if you've ever walked up to, there's a survey we did for school because I was doing an essay, and I asked them, you know, okay, I think I need to get statistics in order to do that, I need to ask some people. So when I did that, I found out basically the fact that, ah, okay, people don't know how to save. I was asking people, do you have a bank account? Go for what? And I'm like, how old are you? 24. You're asking me what you need a bank account for? 24 without a bank account. Really? And you go on like that. Do you have anything, your bank account, your next person, and they are so proud of it, like it's something, you know? That's another issue. So are we ready? Again, we go back to the conversation. Are we ready? Even if we are given these positions of power. Are we ready? 24 without a bank account. You are not serious. Anyway, let's hear from our analyst all the way from Coast. Oh, you like to respond. But you know, for the average Kenyan youth, speaking from experience, say I'm 21, I don't have a job. They sometimes don't have anything to say. You're going to be caught up in a place where you cannot say you don't have anything to say. No, no, no. You're given that you go and throw on a Brazilian instead of saving and you're 21. Attitude, they do. You're 21. Okay, okay. Let's hear from Boy. Let's hear from Boy. Let's hear from Boy. Let's hear from Boy. ... The government is already in debt. So we are also in debt. We are also in debt. We are also in debt. We are also in debt. We are also in debt. We can talk about financial responsibility or such things, but actually all kinds of financial responsibilities should they take. If there is no money for finance, so we are talking about giving them skills and entrepreneurship. Where are the youth going to find these funds? For example, in our country, we do not have money for research and development. Where are we going to find young scientists and develop formulas or such things? It's a trail and an error game. It needs funding. I would like to commend the government also. I said policy come up with the youth enterprise development fund which has provided cheap loans for entrepreneurs. I would like to thank the government for providing many jobs for many youth king. That is commendable on the government's part, but this is not enough. If you are not going to include the youth in the planning, formulating and organizing of these structures, you have to include the youth in this thing. And many of these good youth initiatives are lost in implementation, not implemented. It's one or two years in a portfolio. I am not talking about sponsors. I am not talking about sponsors, sponsors the sponsors. No. Sponsor funds. It's as simple as if an investor, yes. The investors do not say economic independence. That's true. I like that. I like that. We should start creating ways in which we are going to empower the youth economically speaking. All right. I think we are about to conclude this segment. However, I think we have to do one more. At least let's tackle one more. Okay. Oh, goodness. This one is health and drug abuse. Can you imagine? Now, this one is a big problem when it comes to young people. Are we in good health? And not just physically, even mentally? Are we in good? The majority of suicides that are happening in this country are of people aged between 15 to 29. So the youth in this country are apparently very depressed. So let's talk about mental health and drug use. And I'd like to start with the analyst because you're from Pifi and the youth in the coastal region have gotten a very, very bad reputation when it comes to drug use and idling. Let's hear from you. Is this true? Drug abuse and health. These are very important issues across society to see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see see Now, you know, at least squeezing. They abuse,ation very simple but she's a social fabric, and I don't want to lose it. Squeezing is like taking a stamp. If you're a kid, you're going to be punished. You're going to be in Iran. Squeezing is like killing a kid. If you're a kid, you're going to be in Iran. You're going to be in a compound. You're going to be in a semi, in a report, in relevant authorities. If you're a kid, the next day, you're going to be in the same same menace as you are. So you subscribe to the School of Thought that it takes a village to raise a child, not just an individual effort. OK, let's hear from Beverly when it comes to drug use and health and the state of health amongst young people. OK, so on health and drug abuse and, more specifically, mental health, I read somewhere that depression and a mental health is currently in the top 10 leading causes of death in the world. This is very saddening. You can hear in the world. It's very saddening, actually, quite saddening. You see, people go through problems daily. Everyone is handling a situation. You don't know anything about it. But we'd appreciate it if people would talk. Everyone turned to drugs or something. You're stressed up so much. And I see this in campus from people around. Someone is stressed so much. And they're saying, actually, then you learn to stress. And that's how it goes until you become addicted. But you see, the issue I feel like is the reason why they keep quiet like that, it's probably because they don't want that stigma. Because when you have stress, it wants to go and pour my heart out to somebody. They're probably just going to tell me, ah, you know. By the way, you just have too many feelings. You're taking it too serious. You know, calm down. Life is like that. So the issue you don't want to do that. And I feel like you were right when you said in society, that society is a problem. But mine comes from a different angle. The reason why I feel that people, young people, especially are using drugs, is because of society, yes. But because they're trying to numb themselves. You're trying to make, young people, things are so hard. Things are so, I don't know how to explain, so disorderly. Sometimes you don't even see a future for yourself. If you don't know somebody in this country, how the hell are you getting a job? How will you get at least a good one? You know what I mean? And when those things you think about them, you're like, it's a bit of a stress. I had a plan and I'm so talented, but I can't go anywhere because of societal issues. I need to numb myself. When it comes to that, it's all about numbing yourself to the reality around you. You don't want the reality around you to be true. Do you think that this is contributed by the individual, individualism kind of society? Like your issues are yours. The way you were saying family. Yes, what neighbors, everybody knows. Your issues, whatever is bothering you, that's your business. For Squeezie Pier, my friend who are, we have not created avenues for people to talk to people. I'm not solving these problems. They were seeing 15 years old girls or boys killing themselves. Killing themselves, yes. They don't have people to talk to. The current society now, I don't know who I am, my mother, my father, my uncle, my sister, my sister, they are so busy with their own life. They are so busy, busy, busy with life. I don't know which life. They don't have time even for... This is true. Yes. Then your own cousin, you can't call and say it. And depression can cause it, to become mentally unstable. And the worst thing about mental health in this country, or in Africa even generally, it's considered as a Western disease, like not something that... It's considered madness. Yes, like you can't start saying it to your mentally ill. Depression here is considered, ah, she's mad. Is there even medication? It's not the motherly level, that's what you'll be told. The rest, talk to Jesus. Malafnina currently, currently it's not the bad place at which the youth are, economically speaking, financially speaking, ah, the number of crazy other avenues is not really worth it. That's why you can't start saying it. So the places you're saying, I'm saying like you're trying to not say it outright, is that you're saying, most of these people have found their base in illegal substances, even in terms of building themselves, even with capital and what have you. They are selling drugs, people are doing to find money, so they are taking... Okay, let's hear from Beverly. Do you have any partitions for this particular drug use and then we can complete for the day? Okay, on drug abuse, health and drug abuse, just like it said, we need avenues to talk to the youth and discourage them from drug abuse when talking also to them about mental health and how to make sure they're healthy mentally. Because the moment we start being silent about the things that matter is the moment we begin to die. These are the issues we're supposed to tackle as soon as now because the time is now. These youth that are being involved in drug abuse right now are the future innovators, future leaders who's going to lead our country. If they're all going to perish through drug abuse, HIV, AIDS, you see. These are things that we're supposed to tackle. These are things that are not supposed to put us down as a country. So we're supposed to go with the... Let's say sustainable... How are they called? Sustainable Development Goals or something. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, we're supposed to go with... Because all these things that we've discussed are in that list. If we go by that, implementing each in this country, I think in the future we're going to be better placed. Yeah, that's right. And speaking of those things, education is one of the things that is actually very, very serious when it comes to the youth. And we're talking about civic education or skill-based education or things like that. How would you say... Let me start with you, Benjamin. How would you say education system is affecting our youth when it comes to is it giving them a basis for the future or is it just simply a waste of time? And is it preparing us for leadership? Yes. Currently speaking, I can not comment on the Kenyan education system. It's better than other system. But the Kenyan education system is not enough. It is providing a graduate so a skill set of people that we don't need. We are ballooning people. We are not even encouraging people to be cameraman while boys are loving these things. They're starting it early. Parents are not encouraging them to be more skill-oriented. We are trying to educate the wrong people. We are giving ourselves too much knowledge which we can't use. We are not using... I like to call the wrong stuff, basically. No, it is not true. It is actually good. We are not using... The algebra, the word, the word, but is it necessary for everyone to have everyone specialized in their own area? That's true. At a young age, maybe, you start telling people to choose. But according to the topic of the education system, not to mention about the curriculum. So we are governing the letter-storing as a curriculum. But we are the developments. You know, we were here in Mr. Matiangin before. We were charged about the new curriculum. Even books came out. And there was a lot of controversy. These things take time to implement. No, but it went quiet. What kind of time? The new curriculum has not been implemented. We go to primary school. We are still learning the same things that we used to learn. And we all are great people. The new curriculum is a good thing. We should support it. But are they rolling it out fully? All right, let's hear from Beverly. You believe our education system is preparing us to be the future? I think the education system are the eight for four that we have currently. It doesn't quite deal on scale development of the children. We focus so much on the theory that you produce half-debaked students to the film. Then they're not able to be employed. Because the company says, we were drinking turnip. How is it going to help my company? So I think our education system should be more skill-based. Teach the children skills. OK, I know that the lecturer can only give you 25% and look for the 75% but till... No, but I know he said it in a good way. I like that the lecturer can only give you 25%. The 75% is you. Yeah, but still let's encourage skill development in the new. Can I ask you something, though? Very quickly. It's not for education. Microphone. Education is not at all for eight for four only. Yes. Education is a transcendent of the social sphere. It's the first time that people are hearing this. And the Kenyan populace is not educated. And if it was educated... And it's not interested in being educated. It was educated with the wrong kind of stuff. Because these people, when they get out of campus, they're not equipped to meet and live a real life. And that's something that I think is a bit of a youth of 25 years, that you live in and have an account. No, no. That's true, yeah. Yeah. Education is a transcendent of the social sphere. It's the first time that people are hearing this. It's the first time that people are hearing this. Education is the first time that people are hearing this. And it's the first time that people are hearing this. That's a trend. All right, all right. I think it's about time we wind up this particular segment. But Beverly, do you have any last parting shot? Amai, you're good to go. You want to say goodbye. Say goodbye, it's okay. Okay, education. I think the youth should be taught their history so that they're able to understand the current government. Okay. Yeah, that's what I can say. Great. Understand your history. You have to know where you come from to know where you're going. Yeah, definitely. Say that one more time, Joy. You have to know where you come from to know where you're going. I like that. You have been watching youth and politics. Please don't go anywhere. One crush Monday is coming up next. We've been having the very able Benjamin Kenga all the way from Califi County. We've had Beverly Oweno, who is the youth governor here in Nairobi. And yes, and Joy, I will allow her to say goodbye to you herself. Sendio, all right? Hilda's comes up very, very well and we're so glad that we touched on these topics today. You guys remember, you have to reach out to us. We need you to talk to us and tell us what you think about what we discuss. They told you their social media handles. Feel free to tell them exactly what you think about it. And once again, this was why in the morning, youth and politics. And make sure you ask yourself, are we ready? Are we ready? Are we ready? Yeah.