 Welcome everybody to a random moment with Pastor David unfiltered. Pastor, how are you today? I'm doing good. Thank you, John You know pastor one of the things I want to talk about as we have been talking a little bit off-camera about this specific subject is Jesus making wine and it especially at the wedding in Canaan John chapter 2 and It seems that people are even some Christians are using that as a passage to go and drink Wanted and and even to a point where they're mixing You know, there's one ministry beer and Bibles and I think about that and stuff like that where now It's coming to the church wanted to get your feedback as a senior pastor How does that play out in the church and and is Jesus giving or is the Bible giving permission? For Christians to drink, you know, I don't believe it as ever wise to use something like the wedding feast of Canaan of Galilee as permission To imbibe to drink because of several reasons one is that the Lord Jesus Christ would never have given to to us a Permission to violate what scripture is very clear about as it relates to at least Being overcome or are being drunk with wine and all of that so to say that the Lord Jesus Christ Is actually blessing through the creation of wine that he's blessing the drinking and Indulging in alcoholic beverage. I think it's possibly Well, it's this way. It's it's going too far Many scholars many scholarly individuals will point out things related to wine and and especially as it pertain to Canaan and that that Jesus made a wine that was not an alcoholic beverage. They'll point out that during the time of Christ That there was a substance grape paste that would be used similar to the condensed kinds of grape drinks that we have today and that what Jesus said is he created a beverage that was not intended to to cause people to Overindulge and and become drunk But rather it was something that was refreshing and it was something that would be proper for for the celebration of a wedding and so to say that he created an alcoholic beverage and that With the knowledge of human nature and the way people are that they will drink to an overindulgence To say that he contributed to people drinking in that fashion is probably to misunderstand the ministry of Christ as It pertains to the celebrations and weddings and Jewish customs and so Jesus did not Ever condone never encourage participating in alcoholic beverages in any way The drunk that the drink that he would have had at the Passover would have been a non-alcoholic wine because Because wine when it's developed from juice into wine is goes through the fermentation Process and normally there's going to be some leaven that's added to it to create that fermentation process and and leaven is not allowed in Passover and so We can safely Assume that Jesus did not participate in and drinking of alcohol in that way either and and when he was even on the cross and they Came and brought that drink to him to to give him the ability to To quench his thirst and all he did not he did not partake fully in something like that He moistened his lips enabling him to speak when he when he said it is finished in and Things that pertain to that as to when he took the the saw or the the moisture to his lips I know and so I you know, I think the deeper thing relates John really to people seeking permission to indulge the flesh and I I don't like to I don't like to necessarily I always harken back to my own You know testimony of salvation But I can tell you that I didn't get saved out of drunkenness to be given by the grace of God permission to return to drunkenness You know and I was not I was not saved to give me permission to return to the vomit or return to the to the mire I Was saved to free me from that In the scripture very very clearly in a variety of places says be not drunk with wine But it goes on to say wherein is excess rather. He said be filled with the Holy Spirit and so rather than being filled with wine and during the time of the writing that that would have referred to the The the festivals of overindulgence, you know and how that the people who are drinking that wine would be saying that they were intoxicated with the spirit of You know some some foreign spirit where Paul said no you're not to be yielding yourself over to this This demonic kind of spirit a foreign spirit or the spirit of the wine But you to yield yourself to the Holy Spirit Because with the Holy Spirit is there's love and self-control and so There are too many people who point to what they were like when they were drinking and one of the things that is true With drinking when you're drinking alcoholic beverages is that you can get to the point of excess and you can get to the point of a lack of self-control so rather than being Rather than me yielding to a Spirit if you will They still call alcoholic spirits. They speak of alcohol spirits the spirits When you when you yield yourself It's not to to something that that takes away yourself control. It's you yielding to the one who gives yourself control and That's important and then one other thing about that is People say well, you know, I can control Myself I'm not going to give myself over to alcoholism. I'm I'm free from that bondage and all yet They're still returning to it, but I'm free from that and what perhaps you are and thank God that you are But how about your friend? How about that one who's watching you who stumbled by you? Because a lot of people like to a lot of people like to speak of the freedoms that they have in Christ the liberty that they have in Christ But the problem with that is if you use your liberty to cause a brother to stumble You're not loving your brother and you may be able to take of that alcohol. You may be able to drink that one Glass of wine, but what about the person who can't? What about the person that you might be introducing? alcohol to who who does yield to it and ultimately ends up In a situation that that you contributed to I I remember reading a True story of a pastor whose father had never had an alcoholic beverage in his life but he and his family went with his dad and his dad was introduced to alcohol at a party a Christmas party and The father who was a church-going man and all ended up alcohol as an alcoholic and He left his family and this pastor was left on his own with his mother And so the pastor said it may not be wrong for someone to drink But how about the person you introduced that drink to have you thought about him? He said because my father left me and my mother when he fell in love with alcohol See, so I don't want to be the one contributing to somebody's demise I don't want to be contributing to somebody's failures or And the hurts that take place and Proverbs speaks plenty about the hurts and the various things that can occur You know the woe and the red eyes and you know the the bruises and you know, I've Fallen but I don't feel it. I don't hurt it. I don't hurt and all the things that that alcoholics will say, you know I really think that the there are much better things to be filled with and being filled with the spirit It's the number one thing. Amen. Amen that yeah, because I you know recently we've been hearing people You know expressing their liberties, but it goes beyond that It's as you mentioned the stumbling that can cause and so just wanted to get your feedback on that pastor because it's been interesting I like that the take that you did say about the wine at Passover It couldn't be fermented because it wouldn't be allowed Because of the leaven that would have been in the bread there that has to be unleavened bread So I really really wine would have had it been unleavened as well or not fermenting it So thank you for sharing that pastor and getting perspective on this and hope you guys did enjoy this segment of unfiltered and and you know men we have our men's gathering coming up this Friday and Saturday we have Conference ticket teaching tickets only that you can purchase on Friday and Saturday and we look forward to having you out You'll be teaching us on Friday evening. Look forward. It's going to be it's going to be a great time Do want to invite you guys to come out and join us for our Sunday morning services at 8 30 and 10 45 as pastor you're still taking us through the book of Mark and it's it seems like it's just The teachings and mark have been just amazing and so want to invite you guys to come out and join us Invite your friends and family to come on out, you know, and as we're speaking about you know the Passover and we're speaking about those things that reminds me of Israel and want to invite you guys to still sign up you can go to our website and Under events you can go to and see the Israel placard and register there Pastor David Marie would love to have you guys come out and join us And so thank you guys for tuning in pastor David. Thank you so much for sharing a little bit of insight on this and we hope you guys Have enjoyed this we look forward to seeing you on Sunday morning. God bless you