 Hello everyone and welcome to Progressive Discussions and it happens to be Monday of all days, the least popular day of the week, April the 8th, 2019. And it is a lovely afternoon, very nice spring weather, very mild and warm and I am proud to announce that for the very first time. This is the debut of my co-host and special guest from the state of Tennessee, Mr. Gary, was it W. Owens? Yes. Mr. Gary W. Owens, a fellow progressive warrior which is different from the hipsters that want everyone to love them and approve of them desperately. Please love me, please love me, please accept me. Okay, but now we don't play that game, we deal with hard hitting below the belt truth and I want to start off by saying welcome Mr. Owens. Thanks for having me. I am very pleased because you pulled no punches. Exactly. You know, now I have heard Mr. Owens that the Google Corporation, Google YouTube after they gave the ax to Google Plus, they plan on terminating Google Hangouts in 2020. I don't know how true that is, but that is infuriating because that is how we are doing the show right now. Right. I don't know if it's true or not, I mean if they did nix it, it wouldn't make any sense because, you know, back when Obama was president, you know, Joe Biden did a live hangout here on Google Plus to answer questions directly from people. So if for example they were to get rid of it, say for example a future politician or future president wants to, you know, have a hangout, kind of like what we are having right here right now and they want to get questions and feedback directly from the American people, there's an access to that gone. So it really wouldn't make any sense. Now in some ways I can maybe see like why they would want to nix it because if they're not making money off of it, then what really is the point of keeping it because you've got to understand the capitalist system, if it is antagonistical to one of the factions of the bourgeoisie's interests, then they're going to do everything in their power to either get rid of it or do whatever it is necessary to either like, you know, get rid of it or see if there's some way they can kind of make it to where it's not antagonistical to their interests. Yeah. I mean Skype charges you to have multiple guests, whereas Google Hangouts is totally free but hopefully the people you're doing a show with have a good internet or Wi-Fi connection. Exactly. Yeah. I mean it varies, you know, I mean I've had video conversations with people in the Philippines that were fuzzy and blurry and pixely and I've had crystal clear ones. So it depends on the connection but, you know, it's free to have multiple, up to nine I believe, not counting the host, up to nine guests, which is rather magnanimous of them. So also I personally am a witness to the fact that people that download on Facebook Messenger not only get spammed privately but they get spied upon privately by Mr. Geek Hocknose Zuckerberg, his staff, and I was sent warnings based on a private conversation I was having with a friend. Now personally I think it's no one's fucking business what I discuss privately, but probably Facebook feels otherwise. You know, I mean where does it end with censorship? I mean it's fascism. It's a part of the oligarch. Exactly. But I want to put things into a little bit more of a different perspective, to shed a little bit more of a different light on some things because, you know, as we have talked about before, you know, yes I am progressive in a regard but I'm more than progressive. I am an actual socialist, you know, a hard line Marxist-Leninist Maoist-Socialist, not a communist, a socialist, big difference. Even lucky bells for what you just said, here, here. Yeah. Okay, so to put it in a little bit of a different perspective, the reason why we are seeing such mass censorship is the liberal and conservative factions of the bourgeoisie are really, really terrified right now because right now more and more people are actually gravitating towards the Marx, the works of Marx, Lenin and Mao to get an understanding of why things are the way they are right now in 2019. If you go online and see, you know, what has been the most popular work that's been selling here recently of Marx? It's been Das Kapital, his three-volume book that is a critique of the capitalist system and his Communist Manifesto has got its own little following but still, people are wanting to look beyond the capitalist system because they see that the system does not work. I mean, you can't go along with the liberals or the conservatives or any other faction because it's not going to be in your best interest. In fact, it's going to be antagonistical to your interest to buy into their faction but not necessarily so antagonistical to them. The reason why they're so scared is because of why I just mentioned. They really see that people are really getting pissed off and they see through the lies and through the bullshit and the wool that's been pulled over their eyes for so long and they're going to do everything in their power to stop it. First, it's going to be censorship. Where it's going to go from here, who knows? Yeah. Yeah. Well, people, I wish people go to Miriam Webster's Dictionary online, please study their political definitions and understand them because a lot of people, many, tend to throw political terms together. They'll say, Pinko, Kami, this, and Socialism, blah, blah, blah, there's a difference between Karl Marx's writings and teachings and a totalitarian military dictatorship with corrupt individuals. There is a big difference and they tend to throw them all together, but if they really studied their political definitions, that would be a good foundation to start for the average neophyte before being more educated like yourself in what's going on in the world. Exactly, but there's one thing I do want to make clear. When you read the works of Marx, he does talk about a dictatorship but not like a militaristic oligarchy like what we've got now. It's a dictatorship of the proletariat, meaning a dictatorship of the working class. The working class rules everything. We have control over everything. We have control over the government. We have control over the means of production. We also have a ways and means to defend our class position, which is very, very different from what the liberals and these SJWR tards and shit like that are proposing. For them to say that, oh, our generation is going to be the next revolution in this and that, but yet you're advocating taking away the very thing that is going to help you carry out a revolution. How are you going to be able to carry out a revolution without guns? Seriously, how is that possible? What are you going to negotiate with somebody who's wicked, who's downright evil and greedy? How are you going to negotiate with people like that? You can't do it. Exactly. I mean, I know we were talking about yesterday about social democracy and how that's kind of like the direction America is wanting to go. I mean, it worked for a while. I mean, granted, it worked well as it did, but now, since the bourgeoisie, they want their concessions back, they are doing everything in their power to destroy anywhere that's got social democracy. The problem with social democracy is, yes, it has that hybrid system and you get the concessions that you want out of capitalism, out of the bourgeoisie, they'll give you health care, they'll give you education, they'll give you higher wages, they'll give you access to better infrastructure, they'll do all of that. But the problem is, you don't rebel. And that has been the complacency of social democracy. Yes, it worked and kept people complacent and kept the bourgeoisie at bay, but it can't keep them at bay more. All the stuff they gave us concessions, they want it back. Yeah, remember that big protest on Wall Street where young people were camping out and partying in tents and everything, like a throwback to Woodstock or something, and nothing really accomplished in that nationwide, they didn't have real leadership. There was nobody in charge of it, and that was a complete waste, what was it called? Takeover. Occupy Wall Street. There you go, Occupy Wall Street, a big fiasco, nothing ever became of it. I just want to point out, even our so-called founding fathers, when they said all men are created equal, what they really meant was all rich Caucasian men were created equal. Okay, believe it or not. I will go further. You said you want heat and you want controversy, so I will go ahead and bring some heat and some controversy. Yeah, you are right in that regard. If you were not a wealthy white landowner or even a slave owner, you could not vote. You had no say in the system of government whatsoever. America has been founded upon many, many contradictions. This one specifically. This country was founded by slave owners who wanted to be free. Think about that. Slave owners who wanted to be free. Oxy moron, isn't it? Yes. Then we hear a lot about this. The Nazis were so evil. I mean, yeah, the Nazis were very evil people. Now, whether they killed 6 million people or not, I mean, I'm still kind of skeptical on it because it seems like the Jews get the favoritism. No one really wants to care about other people that the Nazis killed. It's always the Jews. They want to justify their genocide of other people by saying, oh, we had many of our people killed in the Holocaust, therefore we got to do this to Palestinians. They use the anti-Semitic, they play the anti-Semitic card, just like feminists play the gender card, et cetera, et cetera, you know. Yeah, I hear about that. You know what? If they really understood what anti-Semitism really is, then Israel itself is anti-Semitic because Israelis are not just the Semitic people. Palestinians and other various people in the Middle East are also Semites. So by Israel committing genocide against Palestine, they themselves are anti-Semites. So they really have no ground to stand on. Yeah. The Goldman Heights issue now, and Netanyahu has been recorded mocking the United States almost like he has the U.S. in the palm of his hand. He does. Well, he does, literally, but he's also a prick in layman's terms. Yeah. But again, back to what I was saying, where they get special treatment and they get by with a lot of stuff, it makes you wonder, you know, what about the other people that the Nazis killed? Because Nazis killed socialists and communists and progressives because they didn't go along with the Nazi line. They also killed homosexuals. They killed... Disabled. Gypsies. They killed disabled. Anyone that was not deemed fit by the state or anyone that did not toe the Nazi line, they killed. They weren't crazy about Catholics towards the end of the war when they invaded Italy. They weren't crazy about the Vatican. Well, they tolerated the Vatican because the Pope made nice, nice with them, but they were certainly mean. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. So, yeah. I'm getting back to that, and I'm going to wrap it up because what I'm about to say is really going to bring some heat. So, you know, getting back to what I was saying about the Nazis, the Nazis committing genocide, you know, six million, even though that could be questionable. What about the actual genocide that happened here on our own home soil? You know, the slaughtering of 100 million Native Americans that we committed that atrocity and took their land. And we, as Americans here on our soil, we did that. And yet, in our history books, we don't talk about that. The way that it's portrayed in our history books is like, you know, we came over and the Native Americans, they did not care that we live co-existently beside of them. They didn't care. And in fact, whenever we were starving and we needed stuff, they were there to help us. And how do we repay them? That. We forced them to march in all kinds of weather from their homeland to a reservation in Oklahoma. Many of them died. And then they got smallpox and then so on and so forth. I think the, I think the, the white, the European white settlers are the ones that started scalping from what I understand they initiated it. You know, that's why I say sitting bull should be on one of the monetary bills not necessarily, what's the name? Harriet Tubman, you know, hitting bull is a hero to me, what he did. But you're right. You're right. Nothing is mentioned in my history books about indigenous people, nothing or even cruelty to, to the slaves. It's always about the founding fathers were heroes. And I remember a photo of George Washington chopping down a stupid cherry or cannot tell a lot. That's all I knew about. And Ben Franklin with the with the kite and the key attached to it. It was, you know, and this is what taxpayers money pays for. My anatomy teacher in college says our textbooks are very much outdated. By how far? Yeah, there's a question. There's a question. I just want to show since they pissed off the right wing friends of mine. I wanted to know a Donald Trump head. One of those stressly, you know, just a little levy. Little levy didn't show all walls work. My walls are wonderful. I will build a five star casino resort resort on the border and call it Trump's wall and his rest of my restaurant will be called the Taco Bowl. Yes, yes. Oh, man. There we go. All right. This is like George Custer on his last stand and he is going to fall on his sword for this. Oh, man, he man, bring it on. Bring in all the neoliberals and the neoconservatives. Bring it on, brother. All right. Yeah, Donald Trump right now is like Custer on his last stand because everything he has done in this presidency has either not happened or has failed completely. This is all he has left to hang on to. So therefore, he is going to not go down without a fight. Like he is going to fight this tooth and nail by any means necessary because like I was telling you, everything in his presidency has either not happened or has been a complete failure. This is all he's got going into the 2020 election. Well, I have to agree with Bernie Sanders in one respect that he is a pathological liar and he's not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree without a doubt. But he might be crazy like a fox. Like a lot of many Republicans, Mitch McConnell, you know, crazy like a fox. Now, now Trump is there, I think because almost two thirds of America didn't bother to get out and vote in 2016, get off their lazy asses and get to the polls. Otherwise, we would have had Democrats would have been all over the place in Washington, but excuse me, it didn't happen because Americans rather type their intellect on social media than get their lazy asses to the polls. So based on the numbers game, Republicans really would not really get elected to very much if the masses, the asses of the masses, women, millennials, people of color, et cetera, et cetera, made it their business to vote in every major election. We wouldn't have the Trump pansy, Trump and Stein right now. Well, you see, here's a problem. In my entire life, I've only voted once because I know not to engage in bourgeois parliamentarianism because it just it doesn't work. You can go out and vote all day, every day that you want. And I hear this argument of, well, if you don't go out and vote, then you have no right to bitch, moan and complain. As if I quite the opposite, if you go out and vote and you deliberately and like dishonest, incompetent politicians to represent you and I put you in quotation marks, because I want to use that very loosely and they go in and they fuck up everything. Then you have no right to bitch. Me, who did not go out and vote and elect these incompetent dishonest cocksuckers have all the right because I didn't contribute to the problem. Well, you know, as well as I know that it's an oligarch rigged system from almost day one. Mm hmm. You know, we all know about the Industrial Revolution, when people left their family farms to live in a city and work for the man. J.P. Morgan, Carnegie, et cetera. I mean, it's it's been rigged. And, you know, the two party system is in bed with that oligarch. That's why I always tell people that want to save the DNC. I tell them we need a an independent, progressive people's third party that receives donations from the little guy, not from corporations, because then you owe them favorites, of course, when you accept money from the fat cats. But you turn out to be one of the very best guests I ever had. This this is pure education. I'm really enthusiastic about this show. Thanks. This is frickin. This is awesome, man. And I mean, it's become a circus, the 2020 campaign of many Democrats who are really centrists, who are like, you know, a libertarian that says he's a libertarian, but he's really an ultra right winger. But these centrist Democrats, I ignore them, Kamala Harris and, you know, forget it, you know, who was he referring to as a libertarian? Well, some libertarians like Jesse Ventura are our left wing, but there are other libertarians that might use the word constitutionalists that are farther to the right, you know what I mean? They right. It seemed to vary. I mean, in high school, I used to be a libertarian, but I was a left libertarian, right? Because like when I first found out about the ideas of Marx when I was 17, I had ideas from the get go once I found out about it, but I tried to mix it in with libertarianism the best I could. Right. But as time progressed, I quickly realized that libertarianism has a huge flaw to it, no matter whether you're a left libertarian or right libertarian. You cannot really have an ideology based solely on one hundred percent social and economic freedom. You cannot have that and expect it to work. There has to be some kind of reasonable restrictions on certain freedoms to ensure that other people's freedoms are not trampled upon. Right. Like what they with the pipeline and through Native American land. And, you know, yet without regulations, I mean, FDR started regulations on corporations to defame the demons. And of course, his second Bill of Rights never, never made it. But you have to have regulations and without without government, many things will not get accomplished. And that's what people don't understand. Remember when you had a debate offline with certain craft beer gurus or experts, quote unquote? Yeah, it just did not really listen to what you had to say and focus on the content of what you had to say. They kept on repeating, well, this is still the best country in the world. Well, that doesn't answer. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Vista Gariola's is an input. You're not that doesn't answer what you were trying to tell them. It was like it was like an America lover to leave it mumbo jungle. Well, to make clear, if America is the best country, it's the best in ways it shouldn't be the best. Yeah, like trying to occupy the world for profit, you know, for the oil company or big oil, you know, why does America need so many military bases, like like eight hundred or some odd military bases around the world? Well, this is one thing that, you know, Marx did write about, Lenin wrote about, Mao wrote about, as well as a few other various socialist and communist writers is that to put it in layman's terms, not really bore you with really down to earth complex terminology in the works as capitalism developed as a system from feudalism, because capitalism really is a lot of copy and pasting from feudalism. The only difference between feudalism and capitalism is instead of the monarchy having control of everything. It's the merchants having control of everything. That's how capitalism grew and then helped overthrow feudalism. Yeah, feudalism exists in a few areas of the world, but 97 to 98 percent of the world today has capitalism to some degree or another. Now, as capitalism progressed as a system, it had its role to play, but that role has now been served and it has long since been served. Now, it has become something other than what its original purpose was supposed to be. When capitalism reaches a very highly developed stage, it turns imperialistic. In fact, I believe it was Lenin that said that imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism. And then Lenin also said that fascism is capitalism in decay. So became roads were paid with good intentions and then the road to hell was paid with good intention. Then it got corrupted. Yeah, the role that capitalism was to play was to overthrow feudalism, but yet bring humanity into a new era. Because in the Communist Manifesto, Marx wrote about, you know, capitalism is a wonderful system in a certain regard. He said that, you know, capitalism has done wonders far surpassing the Roman aqueducts and Gothic cathedrals and has really brought out the potential of man. That's a trickle down actually worked. It wasn't a big lie like it is now. Well, he was amazed about what capitalism had done. But if you read more into his works, he said that that's not what's wrong with capitalism. The way capitalism is run is the issue. OK, because as a system, it's done great things. By the same time, it's done very bad things. Absolutely. If people are wondering what the hell I'm drinking in this fancy glass, it's cranberry wine from South Jersey, that one's on a winery. But anyway, you're absolutely right. And, you know, when you deal with human nature, what I try to, you know, the thing with conservatives is, you know, we have these cultists called well, I called them evangelical zealots. And it's really a cult because they wouldn't know the God of the Bible if it bit them on the tip of their nose. You know, they make up their own rules. And yeah, they're also hypocrisy is a huge part of the right wing. And speaking of hypocrisy, speaking of confusion, I know a subject that you enjoy to talk about and to and to if you're busy and you have other things to do, if you want to finish off and talk about firearms. Oh, firearms. Yep. Yes. And so the floor is all yours. OK, so this is where I get attacked by right wingers and left wingers alike in this regard is that in communist countries that, you know, they banned guns and that they committed mass atrocities against their people that, you know, Stalin took guns and committed a 10 million people genocide, Mao took guns and committed 100 million genocide. Fidel Castro went door to door and took guns. Che Guevara took guns. Hugo Chavez took guns. Yada, yada, yada. I'll just go and make it abundantly clear right now. Bull fucking shit. I cannot tell you how many times I've heard this argument and how easily it can be debunked. A lot of these. Numbers that we hear about, you know, 10 million dead because of Stalin, 100 million dead because of Mao, et cetera, et cetera comes from this book called the Black Book of Communism and the Black Book of Communism has been debunked as an absolute lie multiple times. So what if that's the case, if that's the lie, then, you know, what was gun ownership in a communist country or what is the socialist or communist stance in terms of gun ownership? We believe in gun ownership. In fact, I believe it was in the the works of 1844 by Marx, where he specifically said that he did not believe in gun control, that the workers should be armed at any attempt to disarm the workers should be dealt with by any means necessary. OK. Now, in the countries themselves, how was it implemented? In the Soviet Union, you could own guns. A lot of gun ownership was owned by those who were hunters and supporters. So they owned, you know, like Mosin Nagant rifles, SKS's, Tokarev pistols, semi-automatic pistols, Nagant revolvers, et cetera, et cetera. They had access to military grade weaponry like AKs, tanks, RPGs, et cetera. But you had to go through Red Guard training in order to have access to those weapons. So they weren't outright banned. It's just, you know, for those kind of weapons, you need some training. And once you got that training, you could have access to it. Now, in Maoist China, what the official gun laws were, I cannot find any record of. But I hear this argument that, you know, Mao came into power in 1935 and took guns in 1935, Mao did not come into power in 1935. In fact, he was still trying to get, you know, his shit together to take over in China in 1935. So how could he have gone into power and taken guns and done shit like that if he was not even in power first? Think it through, Princess. All right. Now, getting on to Cuba. Fidel Castro's government actually handed out guns to Cuban people to fight against the United States in the Bay of Pigs. So why would he hand out guns only to take them later? I mean, that doesn't make any sense. If he went around and took guns, then the Cuban Revolution would have fell on his face like that and Bautista would have came back into power. Yes, absolutely. And they were very handy with the machete against against Spain. You know, yeah, you're right about that. And then I want to throw in Venezuela into the mix because, you know, people think that Venezuela's socialists know they're social democratic, big difference. And they're saying that, oh, this is the failure of socialism. And, you know, this shows that capitalism in the free market is the only thing that works. Yeah. Well, what about the thing that the United States is doing to Venezuela? You know, foreign intervention that is completely destroying their economy and completely destroying their government, destroying their country. Yeah. Well, China is the same way there. They've embraced capitalism big time. Yeah. And in fact, China has not really been communist or socialist since the 1980s. Ever since Mao died and his gang of four were killed. Ever since Mao died and his gang of four were ousted from power, Jing Zhao Ping introduced capitalism back into China in the 1980s and look at what's happened. But another thing that I also want to touch on more with Venezuela and then I'll get back to China because there's one more thing I do want to touch on about that. You know, the gun ownership in Venezuela is allowed. But, you know, what guns are out there when it's out there is what's out there. I mean, there's no new guns being made or manufactured. What they thought they were going to try to do was, you know, if they stopped the sailing of guns and not really just outright ban them and just keep what's out there out there that, you know, the murder rate would go down. That was like their liberalistic thinking in this regard. That's another problem. Social democracy is eventually liberalism will be reintroduced and then capitalism will come back in its entirety. That's another reason why you can't have social democracy. There's no real revolutionary ideology there to really not only overthrow capitalism, but to also really keep it from re-entering your country. Right. Right. All right. Now, the last thing about China. OK, if Mao killed 100 million people, then how come under Mao, the population of China doubled? They went from 400 and some odd million to 900 and some odd million people. So I get it. The best way to double your population is to kill 100 million of it. Makes total fucking sense. Yeah, like the lie in Vietnam, but the Bay of was it talking? Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah, well, it's a propaganda investment. Now, now I'm all for background checks. I mean, we don't want a psychiatric patient to own, you know, automatic weapons. But but, you know, I'm talking about normal people, you know, law abiding citizens, hunters and collectors. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. What you said about France and I know I kind of miss this one because, you know, I had to touch on several different things. But the actual true stance on gun ownership is, you know, Marx was against it, but to just put it in a nutshell, the right to bear arms socially and collectively as a class to exercise class power. So if that is the stance that actually, in some ways, makes it better than the United States, a Second Amendment because that really enshrines it as a real right. Not in like this, you know, liberal versus conservative bourgeois politics in regards to Second Amendment. This actually really enshrines it as a right because, you know, if you actually were to try to do that here in the United States, you know, own firearms and bear them socially and collectively as a class. The Conservatives and Liberals would crush it like that. They would say no to hell with that. Right then and there, if we tried that, they would take guns right then and there because, you know, at that point, their interests would really be at stake and it would be do or die for them. Yeah. Yeah. Now, let me ask you a question about based on sort of a documentary I watched after the horrible hurricane in Puerto Rico, which happens to be part of the United States. But the native Puerto Ricans that own family farms said that the United States government prohibits or hinders them from being a self-sustaining island and they are 100 percent dependent on imports from the mainland of the United States to Puerto Rico. And the United States government wants them to be dependent. So, you know, talk about capitalist greed. And I don't know what the deal is with that. And because they they definitely have the means to produce agriculturally, livestock, someone and so forth. They are purposely kept dependent on a private industry. And I'm dead set against all this privatization of every damn thing. It's a it's a big fiasco. It always ends up being so I'm just wondering if you heard anything about that subject. All right. So this is another thing I'm going to touch on and bring a little bit more heat. You know, for the United States to claim that, you know, we kicked the world's biggest empire's ass, we became that very same empire's ass that we kicked, but worse. So the fact that they are doing that with Puerto Rico just shows you that just how far capitalism has developed here in the United States and not only the world and how it is subjugating the rest of the world, especially its own territories. Because in a lot of ways, yeah, Puerto Rico is a territory. But at the same time, we're treating it like it's a colony that should not rebel against us and should not have any kind of self-autonomy whatsoever. Kind of like what the British did to us. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the privatization. Remember when they were actually trying to sell spring water to Hurricane Katrina victims sell drinking water? Unbelievable. You know, it's like it's for a proven failure. Capitalism is the devil's economics. It's a proven failure. It's it's rigged. It sucks. I don't care what these flag waving fools, these lemmings have to say about it. Well, it's not that capitalism is a failure. It's doing exactly what, you know, it was set out to do. I mean, like I was telling you, you know, capitalism had its role to play in terms of historical development of humanity. But that purpose has long since been served. And now it's turning regressive. In fact, in a lot of ways, if you want to think about it, it's actually trying to revert us back to feudalism. Yeah. Well, you know what some flag waivers told me? Well, if it wasn't for capitalism, you wouldn't be able to upgrade your your your smartphones and tablets and computer PCs. And, you know, everything would slow down and what will be, you know, progress will be we halted in science and everything. I don't think that's necessarily true. I mean, yeah. But another thing is under capitalism, anything and everything is for profit. You know, Marx talked about this in his Communist Manifesto that, you know, it's taken everything that was once looked upon with reverent on has turned into some mere money relation. It has turned clergy and the profit. It has turned the lawyer and the profit. In fact, it has even turned family relations, you know, the relationship between a husband and wife or a mom and a dad to their children and to just a mere money relation. This is what capitalism has done to us as humans. Yeah. I mean, it has gone that deep and has destroyed us that much. Well, well, conservatives that always boast about being real Christians, they don't realize it. But the love of money is idolatry because the money becomes your God and your church is the bank and, you know, you know, getting back to the powers that be at the beginning of the show. You know, you look at the people controlling Wall Street, entertainment, Hollywood, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we you can read between the lines what I'm sarcastically trying to get at. But yeah, privatization has never really worked out. The governor we had in the past, Christine Todd Whitlist, I mean, Whitman, Republican, she tried to privatize the division of motor vehicles, and that was a total fiasco. That didn't work out. And so privatization really will look at look at the war. Look at Iraq, you know, the troops waiting for supplies in Iraq. And it was privatized and they did not get their supplies in a timely fashion, if at all. It's just, you know, you can't. It just doesn't work when you try to shrink government down to the size of something that we drown in a bathtub. I'm glad that you mentioned Iraq, because this also shows you just how far capitalism will go just to make money, but they did it in an imperialistic manner. You know, we had nine eleven and, you know, I'll touch on this. This can be a topic for a different day, but yes, I don't believe the official nine eleven story whatsoever. But the fact that, you know, nine eleven happened and we have to have this never ending constant police state against this shadowy enemy that can never be defeated, no matter how hard we try. By this never ending police state, money is being made. Not only are we being spied on and oppressed in the United States. At the same time, we're using that money to oppress the American people here at home, but there's also money being made to oppress other people throughout the world, like particularly Iraq. I mean, what is the average person in Iraq really have to do with the United States? I mean, Saddam Hussein never had anything to do with nine eleven. In fact, he laughed about the fact that it happened to us, but yet it's one thing to laugh about something tragic happening to someone and actually being involved in the atrocity itself. There was a big difference. There were predominantly Saudis, not they weren't Iraqis. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. Here we have this never ending war on terrorism and never ending police state here in the United States, as well as the rest of the world. But yet the United States is actually in bed with terrorists. Saudi Arabia. Yeah, no, no, no weapons of mass destruction ever found in Iraq and then and now with ISIS after Al Qaeda, and then we have ISIS, which is taking a stronghold in Iraq, from what I understand. You know, these people do not want to be occupied by the imperialistic military industrial complex of the United States that is plain and simple and not it's like wars that don't end profiteering Halliburton, the whole ball of wax, you know, 800 some on military bases. For what I hear, the Taliban, their poppy pop, I mean, opium drug lords, I suppose that's how they make the money in Afghanistan. And, you know, maybe the United States is making some side cash off of that. Yes, the United States has had no problem doing drug business with other people. But have you found it very weird that like we have this war on drugs at home, but yet we have no problem accepting money from the Taliban and not only taking their opium and giving them money and just make it a never ending cycle, but yet they'll take that to fuel their drug war at home. Yes. Capitalism is full of just so many contradictions. It is not even funny. We could go on for days, we even years about the internal contradictions of capitalism. I mean, I mean, if there is a Satan, he's probably on his throne. Lucifer is probably rubbing his hands together, saying oh, I am so happy I helped to invent capitalism because it's oh, and Trump, he's the he's the he's the greatest puppet I've ever had in my life. He's like, right, you know, well, I'm agnostic atheist. So yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm just imagining how he's like, like drooling over over what's going on now. If there is a, you know, such a thing as the forces of evil. But that's another thing, you know, it's I watch ancient aliens. And yeah, we might very well be a huge extraterrestrial experiment. I would believe that. I mean, who's to say I don't see primates leaving the jungle nowadays. Maybe extraterrestrials took primates and mess with them and made mankind. Well, well, I think we just allocated an hour or so to be about like another 10 minutes. Well, we'll touch on this a little bit. And I guess we'll just, you know, do stuff off air, if need be. But anyway, let me bring that up because, you know, this heavily ties in with something you were talking about, you know, human nature. Human nature, the biggest scapegoat to not really want to rationally explain something, you know, that's like the fall thing. You know, it's like with God or the devil, you know, it's like the fallback. Whenever they don't want to rationally explain something, that's the fallback. I don't believe in such a thing as human nature because, you know, we didn't get to the top of the food chain or get to be the dominant species for a reason or hang on. We didn't get to that point for just any old reason. I mean, there's got to be something at work here. And, you know, whenever people say that, you know, humans are innately good or innately evil, you know, it's. It's a big flawed argument for a multitude of reasons. OK, take, for example, a newborn infant. And this is what some guy at work tried to argue with me and it just fell flat on its face. Does a newborn infant really have a concept of good and evil? I mean, do they really understand it? No, a sociopath is made. It's not it's not, you know, born a sociopath or. Yeah, you know, they don't have any concept. Well, what does an infant really want, you know, even though they may not realize enough of what by their actions do they show that they want? Well, they want food, they want moisture and water. They want to if they not feel they don't feel comfortable. If they have a load of crap in their diaper, they want to be changed. You know, the basic basic needs of a human. Right. So they just want to be loved and cared for. I mean, is that really is that really good or evil? It's not. It's just basic human want and human need. That's much different from human nature, which this guy tried to argue with me at work. He said, OK, well, if that's how an infant is, so what if that infant grows up into an adult and then must be loved and cared for and isn't and then goes out and does something really horrible? I'm like, dude, do you not know this thing called ad hominems and non sequiturs in terms of debate skills and keeping things in context? Like, you just took it into something completely, completely different. That bears no relation to what even we were talking about. These all over the place. Exactly. Yeah. Well, people should learn to stay on topic. And then when it's done, finalize it and move on. I mean, I just want to say, if you think of a new topic, send me a private message and say, look, there's something important I want to talk about, we'll do another show. And hopefully we'll we'll draw some heat from all the imbeciles out there in cyberspace. And yeah, but I'll use this last little bit to talk about the ancient aliens. You know, drawing in with that, you know, I've read books on it and to be honest, I can believe it. You know, I would believe more that aliens or the universe would be God as compared to like Allah, Yahweh or Jehovah, right? Because if they really do exist, you know, that's something that you could see. That's something you could hear. That's something you can experience with all of your senses, not just follow blindly like a sheeple. Well, the sheeple believe the the planet Earth is only 6,000 years old. The dinosaurs were existed along with along with a biblical mankind. I mean, how insane is that? Yeah, but, you know, I've read these books and it talks about the Anunnaki as well as other various extraterrestrial races. I mean, I can believe that because, you know, when you analyze evolution, it's not really a complete linear path. Like when you look at what we were taken from to be made as humans, there's a lot of gaps in terms of progression of our evolution. So if there's a huge gap, then that means that there had to have been some kind of external intervention in this. Sure, modern machinery cannot duplicate what the ancients did in terms of stacking blocks of granite that weighs God knows how many tons of peace with perfect precision where you can't even get a razor blade in between. They proved that modern machinery can't accomplish what they did. So it had to there had to be some, you know, unworldly force of science to to assist it. What about the coral compound? Remember that man in Florida that said he had a anti gravity device to help him build his structures? I don't think I remember that. But yeah, he's supposedly the anti gravity concept, which came from extraterrestrials is an ancient Indian Sanskrit where they describe a sphere with liquid mercury in it where like a gyroscope blaze just spin at a rapid speed. And that was the basis of the anti gravity device. Then there's reverse engineering from alien crashes. You know, in Russia, I mean, or Siberia, whatever happened in Bavaria, Nazi during Nazi Germany. And of course, Roswell, which was, of course, not a weather balloon, you know, right? Yeah. And crash. Why would you have crashed dummies with a weather balloon? Exactly. But yeah, I'm getting back to the book. Yeah, after reading it and seeing, you know, how the but the lore of the Anunnaki are that, you know, they came from the Beirut, they explored the solar system to get gold to repair their atmosphere. And so when they arrived on earth, they tried doing the jobs themselves, but quickly realized how huge of a task that this was going to be in terms of getting enough gold to repair their atmosphere that, you know, they had to create a worker race. So what they really didn't have much to work with. So they chose primates and then through genetic engineering in the Garden of Eden, Ishtar created Adam and Eve. But yet she also created Lilith before she created Eve. That's right. There's no mention of Lilith in Catholicism, not that I've heard. And then from there, um, at first when we were first created, um, we were not fertile, but since, you know, we they needed to go ahead and create this entire worker race, we have to make them fertile. We have to make it to where they can reproduce. So if that's the case, then we are half primate and half extraterrestrial as a human species. And that definitely puts us much, much higher up on the species in the food chain than any animal that I would be aware of. You think that that's what attributes the elongated skulls that have been found in South America? Yeah. Um, in fact, the Bible talks about it. You know, the sons of God made it with the daughters of man. Enoch. Yeah, Enoch. But yet that's what created the Anunnaki primate hybrids outside of genetic engineering. Interesting how the book of Enoch and the book of Mary Magdalene was not even was not added to the Bible. There were certain books that were not added. There's even talks that, like, you know, Jesus was an Anunnaki human hybrid and, you know, yeah, he was able to die. But yet Rose from the grave three days later, body and all, you know, what if he was teleported back up to the mother ship? Yeah, that's something we can definitely get into for a day. There is definitely. Multitudes of topics that could be done on this show, uncensored, progressive discussions, no whole part. And I really am, even though it's not the most popular day of the week, I am really thrilled to have done this show with someone like you. Thanks. And it will definitely be promoted to the hilt. And thank you. Thank you for being a guest and a co-host. So keep in touch and. Have a nice remainder of this lovely Monday. Thank you. You too. All right, sir. Bye bye.