 Rhaid i'n gawr, i mi rhaid i'r fawr i'r cymwyntio ar eich cymwyntio ar gael y 24 wrth gwrs 2023. Felly mae'r Prif Weinidog. Mae'r cymwyntio ar y cymwyntio. Oes i chi'n gweld i'n gweld i'r gendr. Rhaid i'n gweld i'r cymwyntio ar y pwg. Rhaid i'n gweld i'n gweld i'n gweld i'r cymwyntio ar y pwg. John yw'r amser? John yw'r amser, ond yr un peth yn ymddindig. Ond, yn ymddindig, ond ond yn tir yn ymddindig. Felly, rwy'n meddwl iawn, y dyma'r rhaid i fynd yn ymddindig yma. Nid yw'r drws y bydd y cyfnodau yn ymddindig yma, ond yn ymddindig yma'r no 6, rydyn ni'n ymddindig Jessica Ceddoedd, yn ymddindig eu gwirio yma. Rwy'n meddwl iawn i'r rhan o'r amser, ac yn ymddindig yn y cwm fydd yn ymddindig, ddeall bwysig i ni'n cefnogaeth gwnaeth hynna. Mae'n ddeall gynnwg gyda ni. Ja, mae'n amliad a gynnwg gyda ni. Mae'r Gwyl Gwyl Gwyl Gwyl Gwyl Gwyl Gwyl. Chlyweddio hwn five o'n adreu at genna'i'r cyffredinol. Chlyweddio hwnnw â'r ddeall, Byddwyd yw chyfawr i'r cyffredinol. Mae'n ddeall o'n cyffredinol? Mae hwnna'n gwybod, rhan o'r gwbl. Rwy'n yn ychydig heddef feathers ac yna'r cofieith Pwg. Mae'r cyfor yn gynnwys ymgyrchu'r llechwm, tiynaf i yw Ben. Yn ddweudr yn ddigon o gyfrifol i briforol y Dalangodd Gwyrdodd Llywodraeth. Mae'r ddweudwyr yn ddweud ystod o'r Llywododd Llywodd Llywodd Llywoddol o'r ddweudfawr o'r 1,000 dechrau. Mae'r ddweudio'r wcwmosfaf o'r fawr plwy o'r llwyll eraill. Mae hynny yn yr hynny'r ateb, o'r fawr creuiau. costs relating to delivery of those activity classes. This came about through post-pandemic with membership numbers reducing in the hope that through relaunching or launching these activity classes it will help to definitely maintain membership classes, but in particular to grow those memberships the grant received five applications and the officer's suggestions have been provided it's also been suggested as well and agreed that any of the leftover funding could be used to support one of the applications in the following grant in the next agenda. I'm happy to answer any questions if there are any questions. Thanks, Ben. I'm sure there'll be a few. Stand by. Councillor Ensign. I've got there. I wondered what the take-up was of using these facilities and whether some of this grant could be allocated to increase publicity and encourage more take-up. Sorry, do you mean that sort of left over amount of funding or? No, I mean the number of people who make use of the multi-gymns that we are actually funding. I mean it says that there's been a drop-off since COVID and it seems to me that we need to be putting more effort into getting people back to making use of the facilities that we support and fund. Yes, so I think as part of this application that there's a sort of drive to want to promote these classes and sort of promote the different things that are being offered at the leisure centre and through that we would then hope that that would improve those sort of memberships and sort of people retaining those memberships, obviously with more on offer and more sort of promotion of those classes. There's more exposure to that. So that's part of what the officers saw have looked at in those applications. Any other colleagues, any questions? This is quite a new one for us I think, hasn't it? It's a very recent to this committee so you're quite interested in obviously Ben and Anna being new to the team, I think, aren't you? New officers, yeah? Yeah, super. So it might be an idea if we can quiz them, make them feel really welcome. It looks like you've got off, it's got three, yeah? That's big, excuse the pun. Okay, unless Councillor Williams has got any comments. John, you there? Yeah, sorry, I missed Ben's presentation because I was waiting to be let in to the meeting so I don't know what Ben said but I'm quite happy with this recommendation with this paper. I take on board what Sirius said but I mean obviously that will be used by those who receive the grants to I'm sure promote their activities to increase the numbers but it is, I'm not sure, anecdotally there seems to be some evidence now that people are starting to come back into, are starting now to come back to active activities. Obviously the cost of living crisis isn't helping but from what I'm hearing that people are starting to return to to gyms etc but I'm quite happy with this paper and I can't hear, I don't believe any members have raised objections to this so thanks very much and I'm quite happy to proceed with it. Thank you John, Councillor Henley. Yeah, I support this. Maybe we should just ask that one of our officers, Ben perhaps, just has a look at numbers in say six months time and just come back and informally report to us and we can make sure that Sue's point is taken on board. Councillor Entland. Can I just ask, only five applications were received. They can only vote, they can only ask for a thousand pounds and yet we have a fund which is nine thousand pounds. Were we expecting more applications or why weren't we offering fifteen hundred or even two thousand pounds if we knew there was, you know, they couldn't actually fill the fund that was available? I think we were expecting maybe more applications. We did sort of spread the word about the applications, sorry about the grant and applying so it was something that we were looking at doing and I think as it was set as one thousand pounds for maximum application I don't think we thought it was fair to change it sort of midway through so that was probably the reason for that but yes I think we were probably expecting a few more and yeah I hope I'll answer that question. Thanks Ben, I'm just going to say something to John. John, just I know you were trying to be let in and Ben's presentation was superb, succinct, just like I asked him to so it was absolutely brilliant so I'd just like to say thank you to Ben especially as this um are we just um broken you so to speak if you can't enjoy the words I think this was his first time he's done so sorry if we've made you feel uncomfortable but that's just life from a faith but anyway thank you very much for what you've done and what you've presented this morning. Question if I may just come to me as Sue was asking hers. There used to be a process where GPs could refer people on for exercise and what have you. Is this the same process or is this the same scheme so to speak or is that something that could be advertised within GPs that perhaps you know you might need to done a bit more exercise there is some funding to help this whatever at your local unit as one of this is here. So I think I think if I know if I've understood what you're talking about that's the exercise referral programme so there's actually a separate part of funding for that and support for that so this this funding doesn't include that but it wouldn't it wouldn't be harmful to suggest the GPs about the activity classes anyway to those patients that may want that support and feel they want to improve those activity levels but no this grant wasn't including any costs relating to exercise referral because there's a separate funding for that. I wonder being cheeky is if there's any way that we as a council could perhaps inform the GPs in these areas that this process is available and that as in conversation with their patients it might be something I know like to bring up it's not funded it's not for them but it is a conversation piece. Councillor Henry. Yeah that's a good point chair um as I said earlier um our CEO Jane Erliss Watts is going to be speaking to senior people at the county and within the NHS ICS about generally about you know how what South Camstons fits in with the bigger picture and I would ask perhaps Ben if you would ask this add this to the list of things that Liz refers to um mobile wardens is another one day centres daycare centres is is another because actually the amount of referral from GPs is woefully low low much much lower than this. I know they're busy people but really what we need is someone at that very high level saying don't forget these services exist use them okay thanks. Thanks Bill. Okay so if there's no further questions from other colleagues on the committee then we'll go back to page three which is the recommendations which recommended the grant advisory committee considered all the applications of funding that's set out in Appendix A to this report and makes recommendations for the cabinet member. Now we've all read it and Ben has explained it very simply what's what so I'm just going to take this as a a general approval of the entire paper because that's a greet by all of us yeah that's a greeting thank you very much Ben thank you for coming along that's lovely see you next time for another grilling okay on the grant advisory committee I know I know I'm just I'm just doing that one see we're working to next to each other this is a Ben and Anna a Ben and Emma show today to each right okay Ben agenda item number five please yeah sure so this one is the grant supporting activity classes for people with long-term health conditions so it's made made available for voluntary groups community groups ledger centres also individual instructors to apply for up to £2,000 and this is to support participants that are living with a chronic long-term health condition so this could be dementia Parkinson's diabetes as an example we received 13 applications and 10 applications we considered suitable and as I mentioned previously one of the applications the suggestion was that we didn't fully award the full amount of funding but hoping that we can do with some of the leftover funding from the previous agenda item yes hopefully this has been read by the members and are in agreement with this with the suggestions that have been provided as well thank you Ben colleagues questions I think a lot of the comments that were made earlier apply to this as well yeah they do yeah you've got to ask Ben because we can't let him off lightly we gave him a crewing on the first one because he's got to keep it up now all right hang on hang on hang on Ben's coming back he's got he's got more to add apologies I just want to add something there is apologies this is a mistake by me so on on the where it kind of goes through the different applications and there's sort of colour coding by accident one of them are green but it actually should be red and that's reference QMPK VZCX so apologies if there's any confusion there there's the recommendation is no funding awarded but by accident a colour coded it green so apologies about that thanks Ben okay I mean we can see all of us the uh can be been through this in our own time obviously the areas and the the the organisations that have been awarded or asked them to have been awarded and those that Ben has highlighted that happened so there are some headline acts part concerns cardiac obviously the cancer stuff dementia the dementia was mentioned on the other page yeah I noticed that that county council applied I am what's the best way of describing my feeling cancer handling would that be speechless perhaps I just I have no idea why county council applied to a colleague authority anyway i'm glad to see it's in red so that's that so you had a question well I find it quite difficult sometimes to identify where these places were like imagination dance CIC who are they where are they what they do um and as you said the county council it's really and forever active who are they um I I I feel slightly uncomfortable about agreeing to provide money if I haven't got some sort of tangible idea of where I might walk through the door and find these people providing whatever it is we've funded for them to provide it's it's the reassurance that I made that it isn't just going into somebody's pocket Ben have you got that information to her now yeah can I can I offer some hopefully some reassurance with that so uh so imagination dance I believe you asked the question about that's a class in gambling gay um and this is the name of the class is is movement from memory class uh essentially it's like a seated activity class sort of doing low very low impact movements which just helps to sort of develop brain activities and and that feeling of movement and the enjoyment from that so that's relating to to that question there um I believe you asked the question about forever activity so this is an organisation that delivers strength and balance classes mainly across South Cambridgeshire and also have some in Cambridge City as well um so again this application was relating to a strength and or to enhance and continue their strength and balance classes across those different areas so they have ones ensourced and from memory and I can I'm happy to to look up where the other ones are I can't remember top of my head where all of them are but I can get back to you and and uh I think you also asked the question about the Cambridgeshire counter council is that correct I think uh there was a slight misunderstanding that it was a member from counter council that was wanting to deliver a love to move session uh and then I so it wasn't clear at first that this person was counter council in the application and then through understanding that and having some conversations that was realised so the officers suggested their suggestions thanks Ben Ben could I ask if I think probably we've got our answers oh yeah would it be um okay to ask you this this um especially if you've done this series it's super yeah but it might be perhaps um handy for the future and if you get a moment perhaps to do this one as well add another column and just go like area of operation something like that because that would in perhaps give us just a little bit more detail that's okay with you if you can put it in there yeah that's absolutely fine is that okay yeah thank you very much and yeah again thank you very much for the presentation yeah that was great okay so if we go back to we'll go first to John first of all John if you have any comments on this before we go to recommendation uh no no I'm happy with it I take on board what you said about um knowing where the activities are taking place and I'm sure Ben will we'll make sure that in future we we do that but I'm quite happy with the report just just just a question and those organisations that are not successful presumably we go back and explain why I mean in some cases it seems to me that they failed to explain sufficiently what what they're going to be doing with with the funding which is a good reason not to not not to give them the money but it would be fair to say to them to explain to them why so that they get it right next time Ben yeah yeah the plan was to provide an update to all the applicants whether they're successful or not successful and give a bit of a description of why or what why not in terms of their their application so that that yeah that was the plan yeah thank you very much okay colleagues oh sorry we'll councillor Hiraj just wanted to know somebody like um Combatant Sports Centre who's been rejected um are they able to reapply modify their application so um now that the application's closed I would say no but see if it was opened up again then then yes and I would make that again tear in the rejection to notice to them so and and how they can maybe improve that however I would say the officers suggestions from the application was what they were applying for was related to the active and healthy for life scheme so similar to the exercise referral or related sorry to the exercise referral so again now there is funding separate that they they will get for what they were applying for so actually uh unless their application was different to that then I would probably advise them not to apply again through this I think this is a common theme isn't it we've had this with community chest and the zero carbon might be people applied to the wrong the wrong fund and I hope you Councillor Samford thank you chair just to clarify it looks like all the available funding has been allocated to the successful applicants presumably that means that even if they come back now there'll be nothing available till 2024 I believe I believe that's the case yet yes thank you oh can I come in here yeah go ahead John go ahead John you're on mute mate okay sorry about that um I think as Ben mentioned earlier um in his his report um that we do have some money now left over from the previous fund so um there is an opportunity of of instead of returning that to a general fund using some of that money um so you know I think in Cometon's case probably it wouldn't be worth them re-applying I'm not so sure about some of the others um but it could well be that um we we could I think we could accommodate um a re-application within the within the amount we've saved from the previous um from from the previous scheme thanks John would it be okay that um if you directly contacted Ben and my view if there's any of that money available or if you know about that and then that can come back to us with with the re-applications and Ben is looking to talk so I'll get yes so I just a bit of clarity as well and just following Councillor Peter's question um just I uh there was the question about funding if agreed I guess technically that that total will go over 13,000 um if some of that money from the previous grant it is is given to the run for your um run for health sorry um to give them the full amount just to kind of make that clear as well right so there's there's a shortfall in the run for health of what 500 quid in it uh it's around 300 around yeah that would come out of the actual money that John talked about just now and then if anything's left from that then that could be put potentially so if it's okay with you John if you if you have a um a thought process there would would that be uh comfortable in talking to Ben and then Ben can bring this back to us if there's any extra bits and pieces to be discussed is that okay with you yeah I think so yeah that would that could be a way forward um although I hate spending money I also hate you know giving money back that we don't spend so um yeah we can have a look at that I think I'd like to take issue if you're don't like spending comment actually because this committee have always found that you've been monumentally generous and we we hope in the future you continue to be that way with us okay right oh colleagues we'll go to the recommendation which is on page 13 yeah which as is rarely recommended we the committee uh could do all the applications and funding appendix aid and make a report recommendation to the cabinet uh for finance are we in agreement for that yes thank you very much Ben Anna that's that's you've done you can run away now and have a lie down have a couple of strong coffee thank you very much indeed for presenting to us that's brilliant um thank you hope to see you again soon for another grilling thank you thank you very much okay moving on uh this is agenda item number six this is going to go over to Emma Dyer officer here as I said earlier um I'm going to be prior to this being discussed so um Jessica who's online Jessica said it from Rose regeneration thank you very much um if you'd be so kind as to give us a a quick briefing of what you've been doing and what have you that obviously this might help colleagues with their decisions that later on with this agenda item thank you over to you Jessica well thank you very much um um to you and the committee for inviting me to join you this morning and um to Emma who I know has been keeping you all updated on what we've been up to at rotary generation since um May and I have to say I'm following Ben so I need to be really um succinct don't I so I'll and try and be succinct as possible because I know you've got lots of other agenda items so what we've really been doing over a two or three month period is reviewing all the data and documents and information that you as the local authority hold about mobile warden community care schemes we've interviewed the organization's running schemes and the warden's working for them and we've also looked at other information that's collected at an individual scheme level around financial information or monitoring data case studies those kinds of things we came along to a workshop that you held for the kind of current schemes back in in June and we've done a review of policy documents relating to other public bodies that have a footprint or an interest in delivering services in in South Cambridgeshire and I think it's really important at the outset to say not only do we have a short window to collect and analyse the data about the schemes but that the information we requested was more extensive and detailed than the schemes currently submit to you in in the annual monitoring returns that they they make to you therefore I would say that much of the information we ask them it's um intuitively known but it's not routinely necessarily collected or collated within every scheme and I think we're really grateful to the organization's running the schemes and the warden's working for them for supplying us with as much information as they could I also think it's important to recognise that every scheme is different and it responds to the needs of the residents and the locality in which it's based so what the report that Emma's been outlining to you does is it provides a bit of a baseline and an evidence base of what's currently known about mobile warden community care schemes and what they deliver and some of the benefits there's to crew to kind of individuals the local community to use a local authority and other kind of public and statutory bodies um so the full report sets out wider schemes are needed and what they've been set up to do it provides a snapshot of all the schemes and the information that they currently collect in terms of their staffing having market and promote themselves how many clients they they have where their funding comes from it also contains some information around where they've applied for other money and which of those bits have been successful and what are they being what what's that that that match funding for we've also tried to get to the bottom of what difference they're they're making in terms of the broader social value and benefits they're delivering to you as a local authority and other service providers and we've also collated some some learning and practice across them all to think about so what are the key ingredients of success for schemes and why are some of them struggling what does that mean for this scheme going forward so if I very very quickly take you through some other key findings so um there are currently 19 schemes operating covering 50 parishes across the district 13 of those are run by Age UK, Cambridge and Peterborough and six are independently run so five have been established by local charities, one by a parish council and they're all kind of managed by a local board or committee of kind of voluntary trustees and all of them have award and some have more than one warden who's employed on a part-time basis or a self-employed basis. They all offer a core set of services and the full report lists those of those services we are asking so which of the most popular which ones do your clients routinely access and I'm sure none of you will be surprised to hear it's around befriending and friendship, small items of shopping, prescription collection and kind of reading and sorting through post. It's really interesting I think about thinking about what the kind of the USP is for these schemes and how are they different in terms of that service offer from other providers and other initiatives taking place in that locality and I would say there are kind of five or six things that are really key. I think the first thing is that all the schemes take a person-centred approach so the wardens really focus on the elements of support that matter most to the clients and they take time to build up that trust and rapport with clients to really get to understand what's important to them without making any assumptions. I think the other thing that sets them apart is they're all place-based and hyper-local so the organisation's running them and the wardens working for them. They tend to all live in and work and they're in that geography so they're not geographically kind of distant or removed. The other thing the wardens are very good at is joining up and linking service users or clients to other services and again I think that's really important. I think sometimes the wardens are holding the ring in terms of ensuring that clients can access those other services. The other thing they do is they provide regular contact which is normally it can be on the telephone, it can be face to face, it's weekly, it's normally the same person so again because the client speaking to the to the same person or seeing the same person they spot changes in their their kind of health and well-being and whether they're deteriorating or struggling in some way in life. I think the other thing that's important is that these schemes are not time limited and they offer ongoing and continuous support and it's quite unusual for a client who joins a scheme to leave unless very sadly they pass away and I think it's really been interesting for me to see through the evaluation how it's not just about the work the warden does with the client but also how it very much provides reassurance to their family members and their neighbours and friends and loved ones as well and I do think you know for the clients whose family members are are some distance away those wardens really can be the kind of the last line of human contact so I think our report really clearly contains lots of narratives about the impact and the difference that mobile warden schemes make to those clients and how much time those kind of wardens spend with them and what their family members think about the support their loved ones receiving. We have looked at some outcomes some project outcomes and we've done some social return on investment analysis of those using an accredited measurement tool called the social value engine. Again this shows that the schemes are currently delivering £2.15 of social value for everyone pound invested in terms of government guidance anything over two is good therefore they're delivering some good social value but link to my earlier point I think they deliver more than that it's just we're not routinely collecting some of this information. There were also instances of how these schemes benefit for adult social care and NHS services through things like fewer hospital admissions helping with the hospital discharge process delaying entry into adult social care a reduction in in kind of missed appointments so we've got some narrative around that. I think all the schemes are incredibly grateful of the funding that they receive from you as a local authority but to deliver the schemes they need to secure match funding and that really is where they're on this funding treadmill of having to identify appliance secure funding and again many of these schemes are overseen by trustees by voluntary board members who are maybe combining that with the full-time day job so the money to fund the schemes it's coming very kindly from the South Cambridge district council funds from their client fees and some of them get funding from parish councils but not all some get money from Cambridge council and counter council again not all some have been really successful at raising funds from local trust charities and foundations and some do some work around public donations but yeah some schemes are really struggling because they're on that funding treadmill and some schemes are undersubscribed and they are really struggling to recruit clients and are looking at their kind of marketing and promotion around all of that so the full report contains lots more information about the schemes but in terms of kind of full big takeaways of things that I'm really interested in going forward I think it would be really interesting if all the schemes could maybe work more collectively to build an evidence base to better understand the impact and outcomes that they're having I think it would be really good if we could revisit some of the analysis in this report to quantify the benefits that the schemes are delivering for kind of public and statutory bodies I think the third thing is around understanding and I mean truly really understanding how much it costs to run the scheme and how they can work towards becoming more financially viable particularly through an understanding of their unique costs and I know one of the schemes does understand its unique cost but the others that's not part of their day-to-day operational thinking and finally thinking about so what are the ongoing support needs of existing schemes and how can we scope out how more schemes can be established across South Cambridgeshire including through kind of peer-to-peer support and learning and my final thing before I'm quite everybody is if you look at the population projections for your district and particularly the number of people over 75 years of age which is when Cairneys become more pronounced actually you've got a real net increase coming of 7184 people by 2043 so I think it demonstrates not only have you got a cohort of clients at the moment but but you're going to have a cohort of clients going forward as well but I'll let Emma come in to see if she's got anything to add. I'd just like to say thank you Jessica. I mean just so we're all on the same page and I was part of the conversation with Jessica and when she was quizzing the Melbourne Mobile Boarding Scheme and it was thorough I think is the fairest way to say I felt exhausted I felt like bended so I can vouch for the fact that we have been people just got a briefing there is perfectly succinct so over to you Emma. Thank you chair and thank you Jessica just so you know that report will be shared soon we're just finalising the last little bits of it so you will be you will get to see that so on to my paper did um yes before you go I just so thank you Jessica for that it was absolutely brilliant I don't know if I said that at the start of my little piece there but I'm going to say again thank you very much for the briefing just given us how we look forward to reading your report when Emma then so if you're going to start this thing now I'm going to slope off thanks over to you Sue. Can I just say thank you Jessica as well um one of the I've just used the community warden service I have to say um in my patch because I've had a hip replacement and they were brilliant but as a old ward sister at one time in my life the most important thing that I ever did was to go round and speak to my patients every morning and look at them and think you're not as well as you were yesterday I think we'd better do something about you or oh yes you're coming along nicely how you quantify that which is the most important thing that I think community wardens do is so difficult and to get it across to people who don't understand is sometimes impossible but thank you very much I'm supposed to be speaking after right do you want to say anything else Emma um yes please shall I just go on to my report that I'm going to talk about as well thank you um so this is the mobile warden scheme grant review 2024-28 as you'll know the schemes are administered on a three-year cycle and the current cycle runs from April 2021 to March 2024 and the purpose of this paper is to agree the council's approach to supporting schemes um in our district um from the period of 2024 to 2028 um and obviously Jessica's just given her fantastic um summary of um the work that Rose regeneration is doing um just before I go on I just want to say that the finances in this proposal have already been discussed with the council's chief finance officer and the lead cabinet member for resources um and they are subject to the approval of the council's budget in February 2024 the paper's also been circulated to members of cabinet in case they had any comments and I'll just go straight into the recommendations because I know that Jessica's given a fantastic overview of the schemes already um so the first recommendation is that the council provides £100,000 for one year and this is an extension in the funding for 2024 to 2025 and that's to those schemes in the district that already receive our funding so this is an increase on the 71,708 that was given this year um and this increase is because we believe that obviously things like the inflation rates over the last five years we've incorporated that into this into this figure a contingency fund any new schemes expressing an interest in setting up um also funds for schemes to build their capacity and increase membership and this is over and above other funding sources including the care together funding that we talked about last month um hopefully they would achieve those already but this is an addition to that so the second recommendation is that we offer a three year grant scheme from April 2025 to March 28th and this will include adapted criteria and annual report at the end of each year and the last recommendation is that before a decision is made on the funding allocation for the next three year cycle we carry out further development work to support the sustainability of the schemes and this would include an in-depth review of the service delivery any barriers to promotion and expansion and exploring a collaborative approach between public sector funders um I just wanted to draw your attention also to an amendment um to appendix a on page 33 and that's for the Milton scheme which is a parish council run scheme you'll notice the end of year balance is not well it's is stated as £222,917 um this is actually minus 8,517.58 and this discrepancy occurred um as the initial figures we received for the um of the parish council and not the scheme that's run by the parish council so um just be aware of that thank you um I will just highlight a few key points in the paper as well um as you know there's a predicted high growth in the over 65 year old population over the next 20 years um by 2040 nearly one in five people will be living with a major um health condition such as dementia or cancer and this is up from one in six in 2019 and this population shifted as you can imagine have a major impact on the NHS um almost all schemes have felt an impact on client numbers following COVID um and also the cost of living crisis and the core budgets for the schemes as you will be aware has remained static for many years except for annual inflationary uplifts and the one-year extension in funding would provide the necessary time to develop a closer partnership with Cambridge County Council the integrated care system parish councils etc to um complete a more in-depth review of values to service delivery and funding options um thank you very much any questions thank you um over to you Bill well thank you very much for a fantastic report Emma um it's it's very clear uh i'm very very supportive and obviously it's all very very very dependent on John Williams and co um but um i think what what you've presented to us is a good way forward because we are um we are talking with the the ICS NHS the county council in how we can work more closely uh to deliver a holistic package of care because as the rosary generation report on sure wheels show um you know what we do what the this district council does has a significant benefit to the wider care uh system and we need to make that that fact very very clear and as i said earlier but i'll say again our CEO Liz Watts has agreed to take this message uh at the most senior level and to try and uh improve collaboration because all you know the ICS is supposed to be working all working together going to pull everything together now i know it's relatively early days particularly for something as uh you know as big as that but um so far the evidence isn't uh isn't obvious to me so let's hope that this can have some positive effect in that respect and that you know we can we can have a we can have a package that works across the piece uh and and works in you know in in a very joined up way with what the county council and the NHS are doing care care in our country is not good is it and uh really does need to be looked at very carefully just thank you very much Emma and your and your team and for for an excellent report and i'm fully supportive of it thank you bill uh peter thank you so um if i say the mobile warden scheme is a well kept secret that's probably untrue but i was certainly unaware of it until the last few months um it obviously does really good work for nearly 300 clients um and as jessica pointed out a number of clients is probably going to increase for demographic reasons so a principle i'm very supportive of the proposals certainly um i think moving to a three year funding cycle is only fair um how can you plan staffing and resources for a a fairly complex scheme on a on a one year rolling basis so definitely that side i would support um thank you thank you peter nita i think this is a wonderful scheme from what i've heard from everyone um it's an excellent thing especially when there's so many villages involved where people feeling isolated and just need that little bit of top up when they when they need it um i totally fully support this and you well spent i think we have a um a committee that is very much on side and is i'd very enthusiastic i think the the one thing that i think we sometimes don't realise is that south cams district council have no statutory responsibility to do this we do it because we care for our residents and this is a real a real winner for our residents and i think i fully support what's being proposed and thank the administration for finding this extra results to support the service which is currently going through quite a difficult time so are we all in agreement all three of the recommendations yep okay so before you before you move on can i just add my thanks to to jessica and emma for the work they've put into this and obviously going forward we will need more more work to be done and i hope as bill has said that we can take the care providers with us you know the people who do have the statutory responsibility to do this um that they appreciate what we do and and understand that we can be a significant player in this um so i do hope and and i am optimistic that over the next year we will be able to come back um you know for for in in 2024 and and say you know that we have now have a workable scheme that we can roll out across the district so anyway once again thank you very much for the work that's been done so far thank you i can make faces at him thank you john i hand back to council hails thank you so okay um agenda item number seven then that's uh over to you again emma thank you mission to build for a minute yeah do we want to take two two seconds before we come back yeah thank you um so we've received nine applications this month which includes one biodiversity and one cost of living application total amount requested is 14145 pounds and 71 pence um straight onto page 39 we have suave z spartans football club um they have girls and boys teams from under six through to under 18 and they've recently formed both ladies and walking football teams and a robust six-seater substitute bench and shelter the 3g pitch at suave z village college is now required total project costs are around 2699 pounds and 99 pence and 2000 pounds has been requested from the community chest um an agreement has been made with the suave z village college but if this application is successful the shortfall will be shared 50 50 the parish council have already provided financial support towards the it's around one million pound build cost of a 3g pitch um as well as also funding for pitch maintenance and repairs for the suave z green and that's the club's main cross um home pitch councilist Wellington um you are in support um welcome any comments thank you thank you um just i'll ask a question if i may um council and some may know this as well or not um you you mentioned the parish council contributed towards the 3g and then you mentioned the phrase one million um was this uh a 3g pitch which was provided by the football association with the main funding or did suave z parish council fork out a million so i believe it was a um a consult i think it was a group of um different people that were inputting to this one million pounds funds um the football club and the parish council um i'm not sure where the other grant funds have come from i think i can tell you yeah yeah you know you can go we um the parish were very um fortunate in receiving the field that is being turned into this patch into this new football um venue um from uh a man who sold the rest of his garden for 35 houses to be built so he gave us the field um we are now spending s 106 money um to create that into a number of different sort of uh activities football and gym and netball and everything else and so the money is being approved from a variety of sources and the parish council are also taking out alone to support here and the village college because it next door to the village college very handy they're giving us a car park and also going to be making use of it in the future thank you sir okay colleagues questions i've asked mine have we gone with this i mean this is a really important thing it's a club club club base as well isn't it so um cancer back handling i'm supportive of this i'm um it's been a footballer always been a sportsman and um anything we can do i think just to to improve sporting facilities in other regions is a is a good thing i'm not looking at any decent here so i'm assuming this is an approval yeah yep okay that's unanimous thank you am my next one please okay um page 40 we have gambling gay schools out club so this opens for one week in august this year 140 children are registered to join um and they have been granted permission by the cam academy trust to use the the village primary school for a small fee and the children can type take part in craft quick grief sessions um and there's a good range of toys and sports equipment um the fee is five pounds per child and that's for a two and a half hour session we've got a morning session in an afternoon session and some children can attend the whole day should include lunch as well um and this year they are trialling a new maximum head count of 120 children per session and this means that they would need to create an additional area of play that can be housed under a gazebo total costs for a pop-up commercial gazebo including sidewalls is 1,103 pounds and 93 pence and 500 pounds has been requested from the community's chest the remaining balance will be funded from the club's reserves we have council budgets mental support thank you thanks for that comments colleagues thank you chair just to clarify august is almost over for this year is this for application for funding for next year or are they backfilling money that's being borrowed or acquired from somewhere else this is for this year um i think the timings the application was received the beginning before the holidays but because of the grants advisory committee the fact that it has to be reviewed and published in advance um it just so happens that this is the earliest it could come to committee okay so how will they be spending the money because they will receive it after this year's event is over okay i think they have reserves um but they want to keep the costs as low as possible so this would obviously help them in you know going forward as well okay thank you i suppose that's the consolation is that even if they don't get to the back end of august by the time if this is approved today then they'll know this week next you'll catch up with them but even if they did then if they've already purchased i suppose just check with john on this i says but if they've already purchased and done what they've done for their own reserves to get ahead and they're making the application is this okay to go through john i mean i'm to be honest i'm quite supportive of this because these these clubs are an echo of a lot of good and why have you so if it is something they've they've forked out for and they were going to do anyway it says their timings of this committee have been against them um do you have any objection that this gets approved and it's essentially going to be backfilling their their budget isn't it john i don't i don't mind if if they've actually spent the money um but can we just check that the event actually went ahead um you know if they didn't get the money we're all assuming that they funded it out of their own reserves uh and then we can obviously get from this money to replenish those reserves but um can we just double check that actually it went ahead as planned even though they didn't have the money because if they didn't have the money it could be that they made you know it they they changed it or or they didn't do it or they downsized um so we just need to check exactly what they did do um but if they did do as they they said they were going to do then i don't have a problem with it okay so based on on that from john i think we approve and pending yeah leave that with the leave it to officer decision if they follow the criteria if that's big to give them the money yeah thanks onto page 41 abington village institute um this is a community hub and a village that um village um facility that's well used it offers a community cafe three times a week as private bookings and events and at the rear of the building there's an area of raised decking which forms part of the emergency exit and the timber substructure which supports the decking is starting to rot what they like to do is replace it with structural um recycled plastic surface of the decking was also um well i'm not sure exactly when but um in the last few years it's been replaced with the same material um which obviously influenced their decision to use the same material because um they're very pleased with how strong it is and how it's how it's you know performed so far so far total project costs from materials and labour are £12,800 and £2,000 has been requested from the community chest you can see the breakdown of how they've how they're going to achieve this um both great and little abington parish councils have been asked to support the project but a decision is pending on this we have um both councillor john and henry bachelor in support thank you catch engine i just wondered whether the parish councils had given their support and were supporting it in any way i was trying to see who owns this particular particular institution it's the village hall but is it owned by the parish council or is it an independent trust i believe they own it um or have a long term lease of the venue it's what they've said on the application but did the did the parish councils indicate they would support it it says a decision is awaited i think that's the funding aspect of it i think they are in support but um like a lot of these things i think they have to obviously have to go to committee so i can i kind of i will need to sort of chase this again just to be clear then so which who's asked for who owns the building he says here at the landowners i have a long term lease on the venue so that's the institute you're talking about have a long term lease or they or their labour are a little press we could just clarify that i think that's the other one okay um what would you like to do about this i mean this is quite um counterhandling i don't know if my this suggestion is going to be in order or not but um you know we could say yes subject to financial support from the parish councils because honestly i think it's they should be i mean they should be supporting it financially have means to raise money through the precept and they should be doing it and they should have a long term plan if something's falling into disrepair they should be putting money aside to to put it right totally agree councillor harsh i agree with bill what councillor Henry said okay thank you okay well on that basis then i'm looking around the room i'm looking at approval so yeah yeah um based i think i think here then we've been a look at is as bill and sue both said with regards to the parish council and the funding from them um i'm quite happy to leave this with offices um i would hope that there would be a significant funding from parishes um or a i another i up the donor if you like somewhere somewhere else and otherwise they're never going to get you stung less than 20 percent of the total figure from the two grand from us so and and the other side of this is this is an emergency access isn't it you said um part of me in my previous video is screaming why don't you have a combustible material on a firet so um an actual fact an actual fact i'm going to pull rank and i'm going to say that i would like to defer this actually and i'm asking emory if she will be kind enough to go back and ask the institute the Ableton Village Institute to make it very clear that if this is a firet set have they had permission to use a combustible material on a fire set and what is the rear of that building where this comes out of the flank wall that this exit comes out of what is it made of right because if it is okay in a village hall made of combustible material you're adding petrol to the fire so i absolutely agree with you chair and support that support that idea jose can i can i add could Emma also check on what sort of lease the institute has does it have a repair in lease in which case yeah it should be making sure that the fire exit is is is kept up to scratch but if it isn't then it is down to the parish council and it's not for us to be subsidised in the parish council so um we need to find out what sort of lease they've got i'm i'm not quite happy with this i have to say yeah i think that's gradually coming out of the conversation to each other i think totally agree so if we i think defer at the moment and they can always come back if they've got the information that you told in line but at the moment that i've had that being no smoking area as well could it could i just add that we we need to see is no fairly substantial contribution from the parish council and he just won't you know 20 quid is not going to be enough you need a fairly substantial contribution from them to persuade me okay so we'll agree on that one do you further that one yeah thanks thank you Emma okay page 43 we have the first combatant sculpt group um this has 66 members and attracts young people from combatant and the surrounding villages um talking about fires um there was an accidental fire on the school grounds um where the scouts hut and the equipment storage facility is located um and the main scout building is although it's still intact the steel storage container um that stores the majority of the equipment um has been damaged beyond repair along with all the contents so although the contents and the container were insured the increases to the prices over the year the last year have meant that there will be a £10,000 shortfall in funds to replace it and this will be more than they will be able to cover themselves um total costs for a used 20 foot container including delivery the internal fittings that are needed etc um this is in excess of £4,000 community chest grant funding of £2,000 has been requested parish council have been contacted and they request £500 made but they are awaiting their reply parents of the group and the wider community have been supported financially and a just giving page has also raised £3,700 which will go towards the total project costs other grants are also being applied for and we have support from councillor Lisa Redrup and councillor Ariel Conn thank you. Okay colleagues this is a real shame isn't it it's just pure bad accidental fire very few of those on the front give them my last employer um I'm as I know that it's going to be very difficult to for you my colleagues to believe this but I was once a little in short pub and the longer trousers scout so Marks have done me to declare an interest on that I'm very very supportive of this this whole institution if you like they do such a lot of good work and it is such a shame and this is a theme actually because Melbourne lost their scout hut with an accidental fire which completely destroyed it and everything in it so I used the word inverted commas accidental so um my my own opinion is I'm very much in support of this I don't think anyone else has got cancer sanford generally supportive I'm just wondering if the school is happy to have a shipping container dropped in their premises they're not exactly pretty this is going to be on school grounds I understand yes it will be but they had a container before for storage so I may have said that they're supportive oh okay the this is to replace the one that was damaged I mean I have to say the amount of the the accidental fire next to it has come through core ring steel plate and it's incinerated everything inside it's a conductive fire inside it was that intense fire okay that intense an accidental fire if they're replacing like with like that's fine okay lovely cancer everything we're still waiting for parish council to agree to support and I think again we need to see that parish council are on board and support these things I think Councillor Hadley Councillor Aintons pretty much said what I was going to say um I you know I I'm just a little bit nervous that you know the project cost is they're a bit vague just over 3000 and they're asking for 2000 so they're asking us for the vast majority of the sum to do this and the parish council haven't yet committed so although I feel sympathy and you know I want I want this to happen I I'm just wondering whether or not uh they're just a little district council or do it let's let's talk to them you know I think maybe they need to cast the net a bit wider um I've got the just giving I mean that's that's raised 3007 which actually did surprise me with those um it's obviously they'll probably carry on with that I would imagine um as I said I don't have a problem with the 2000 unless I'm overruled by John but um perhaps we could reiterate if we were minded to support that we could reiterate the importance of parish council it's important all this and that um there is the Cambridge Community Foundation website which lists God knows how many different areas for funds funding schemes and maybe that you can get smaller amounts for you know they only need to do four or five five hundred pound isn't it they're more or less there aren't they so you know as you say you're right to say that could I I think this is the point where I really quite like to hear what John Williams thinks of this to be honest oh it's you John um yeah I think where where it's a community facility um and you know we would expect the parish council to you know contribute because it is a facility for the whole community um but in this particular case um I'm not so sure that um we should be insisting that the parish council contribute it's not on parish council land parish council doesn't have any direct involvement with you know it's not a not like the previous one with with the village hall um so I don't know I'm I'm inclined not I mean it would be good to see the parish council contribute um but I don't think it's uh you know absolutely necessary that they do um um but it certainly I would like to see them looking for other ways of you know other sources of of of grants um not just us but I assume that will be when they come to replace the equipment that they will not be I think maybe we should make it clear to them that you know uh we our our funding is for the container but don't come back to us for more funding for the equipment we expect them to to find other uh sources for that but as far as the parish council is concerned I don't think I don't think we can apply every case that we expect the parish council to contribute um otherwise I think we would find it really difficult to give any grants away to be honest because most parish councils do not um do not support um you know organisations such as the scouts um that that's my view anyway I I'm quite happy with this as it stands to be honest with you I don't have a don't have a problem with this okay John and I'd just like to reiterate how much of a nice gentleman that John is as the lead member of finance because I told you he was a nice man right and he was quite happy to give it away so on that basis that before I insult John anymore um we're in agreement there and all the bits and pieces that have been said Emma yeah it's uh unapproval yeah thanks okay thank you um page 45 we have Littlington Congregational Church um so as well as a place of worship it is used by around 25 people a week and that's for village activities um events such as musical and choral concerts coffee mornings um and it's used by village groups um for meetings for example parish council meetings um they apply to us um in relation to their existing 40 year old boiler which is noisy and it's got a crack in the flu so replacing the boiler with an external combi boiler has been advised and this will not only be more efficient um but it will provide hot water to the kitchen and the toilet area it will also make the hall more attractive to anybody wanting to to use it um they've looked into the green alternatives that was one of the my first questions when I contacted them um and they said that green alternatives would be around 10 000 pounds or between 10 000 pounds and 18 000 pounds um but they've been advised that the combi boiler is the best way to go um total project costs are 7 246 pounds and 2000 pounds has been requested from the community chest um this 2000 pounds this would also include a side security gate to sort of house the the boiler outside um redecorating redecorating costs will be met by the church um they've secured a grant of 1 750 pounds from their benefit um benefit trust 524 pounds will be provided by the church and they will need to apply for further grants to cover the 2972 pounds shortfall the parish council are unable to make a contribution I believe that's part of the the the sort of guidance that you know parish councils aren't able to provide funding to um sort of churches and we have the support from councillor Susan van der Ben thank you thanks Emma right well we've had some that have given us consternation and concern and this one for me comes at the top of the pile sadly but to contrast that comment unlike a lot of other applications we have this one is awards and all they've been monumentally straight and open about what they want to do and why they want to do it and the hope for the future etc etc so um unless you have anything very strong to say colleagues I'm going to go straight to John I think because of this one there's this one has worried me ever since I first claptised on it so John could we could we have your guidance on this before we go much further and ask any questions of Emma please I was hoping to get your guidance actually because um like you I'm I'm okay I'm not happy about this I have to say you know I'm not happy that we should be replacing gas with gas I mean what I don't I am a did they look at an electric alternative I mean not not a green boiler but but just um getting a a boiler that that um that is an electric one rather than a gas one I believe it's an oil boiler oh it's oil is it sorry yeah but I did say to them I said um have you considered infrared heating because obviously that's the the sort of technology that would heat the car so it's not used they said that they'd looked into that and I think um it just wasn't suitable for their needs um so I did sort of raise it but okay well I I'm I'm inclined not to not to agree to this I'm afraid because it doesn't fit our agenda it doesn't fit the councils policy of green to our core um I can't see why they can't find an alternative to to oil um or indeed you know get our students oil because they don't have a gas supply I think they should be looking at you know ways of heating using electricity which then you know as as the country comes off of fossil fuels in due course it will be a green green source of energy so yeah I'm as I say I was hoping to hear your you know committed to persuade me otherwise but I'm I'm not quite happy with this thanks John we've got a couple of speakers now so you might find out whether you're being agreed with or not it's what I was I wouldn't have said it as eloquently of course but it's pretty much the way I feel um there must be a better way can't you sanford yep I also agree with council Williams um yes replacement oil boiler will be cheaper up front but given the unpredictable costs of oil as we've all seen in the last couple of years it seems very short so I do that maybe they should dig a bit deeper and look at the green alternatives which will be hopefully cheaper to run in the long run so I would tend to send this back to them and say please think again thank you um collie uh can't you hand rise your Wellington yes I'm I was more concerned I have to admit about it being a church and whether we are happy to actually um support her money into a church that was where my focus was um because there are organisations that manage churches if you see what I mean and you can get grants grants other sources so I had a few questions around that but I think the general feeling is no they have they have um been successful with the 1750 pound from the benefit trust which is formally your church's trust so they have got that and they've got 524 provided by the church itself I'm sure that must be from this own collection of funds why have you okay Councillor Hamraj I agree with both John Williams and Councillor Ellington okay right um well it's it's the way the cookie comes I think so I'd just like to say I'd like to congratulate them on a very honest and detailed application but I think really the decision is that we sadly don't feel able to to support and that we would we would recommend that perhaps look at the options that have been talked about here now with the electrical side um why have you rather than fossil fuel yourself per se okay thanks I might next one on please thank you page 47 Huntington Hockey Club um they currently have 50 members most of which live in north Stowe since 2021 the club has been based in north Stowe and they rent the astro pitch at the secondary college for weekly training and home matches um they've said that each new way of the housing developments has increased the numbers wishing to join the club and um that the new and returning players they would need to build match experience so that what they've done is they've added a development squad and as part of this they would need new equipments total cost for this is 1,981 in 75 pence all of which has been requested from the community chair so it's a long list of equipment there that you can see um we have support from councillor Thomas Beigert and just more recently we received the support from councillor Natalie Warren Green as well so just to note that one that's come through um welcome your comments thank you thanks you know right um so this is for the full amount um and in the preamble it says about the parish council support and they haven't asked the parish council now I know north Stowe's are very new new loads but um I'm sure they've got some money lying around somewhere uh colleagues anyone got any questions or points they'd like to make and they well as you know I'm my responsibility for building helping to build a community at north Stowe's I'd rather hear from my colleagues first before I speak anybody else councillor Samford yeah um I don't think we should fund the full amount given it's a Huntington hockey club okay the name but the members seem to come from well over not just our district so maybe a part funding appropriate thanks I'm not sure we can do that and we have to um let me see whether the amount or nothing in it anybody else got any comments I believe north stowe needs support in um activity in every way we can possibly give it but the moment it's a group of houses it's not a community and the more we can make it into a community or help to make it into a community the better in my view I do I must admit I look at Huntington what's that got to do with it but I feel that there are good grounds for trying to help them maintain some activity and some community involvement in providing activity so on the whole I would support it I think what's noticeable in this application is the complete and utter lack of going anywhere else for funding and mentioned it just to just better check and make sure I do I can't see anything unless you know anything else so this is this is one of the the comments to be made earlier about oh let's just go and sell cans and I'll agree with you so I really do it is a new community and it does need to be supported as best as best we can but by the same token these people obviously know how to get funding because they've been a long-established club so why would they not try somewhere else as well so I'll we just use the option but that's my thought and now that Caps and Henry with the responsibility for the new and emerging communities and what have you wanted to hear from us he's now heard over to you Bill Bill I'm struggling with it because I agree with Caps Wellington that we should be doing everything we can to support North Stowe and my feeling is that on this occasion we probably should I think if we were a bit further down the line with North Stowe we might be asking more questions but at the moment they are you know they're still pioneers I mean they're building their community and I think we should give every bit of good support we can and at the end of the day what are we asking for 1900 and something yeah um yeah I mean I if it's going to give good benefit to the people of North Stowe I would be supportive certainly uh I wish it wasn't headlined on Dingdon Hockey Club though I've had a thought to see if this floats about if we were ultimately John whether or not he thinks it's a great idea but before we go to John if let's rather and say if John thought this was okay to fund how about that we we write a proviso on this funding expressing our disappointment that we were the only people they decided to make an application to for the full amount um that we would expect that within say the next month six weeks we would expect to see an application to somebody else to see how that went if they were unsuccessful we will fund them but on this one only occasion because this is their duty but looking elsewhere you can't just go we'll go to that one because they're an easy touch right so that's that's that's my thoughts I'm perhaps describing my thoughts clumsily but you'll get my drift that's what we're saying yeah Emma can write it much better than I'm saying it so shall we uh cancel her out she wants to come and say something yeah I think anything that gets the young people out doing sport I support them I wonder I mean I never played hockey but do the parents contribute anything to the sports equipment the adults get a child 110 a season then if you said anything about children did something about children somewhere in your documentation Emma um they're looking it says in the application to build closer working relationships with secondary schools in the area in order to welcome younger players so as far as I can see from this not at the moment but they're looking to do that so this looks like he's adults not children over 18 so does that answer your point okay so I think Pauline all will go to John now to see what his thoughts are John thanks Joe when Emma sent me the papers for the meeting I jokingly said to her I was in a shame that um they don't have north stow in their title because they're based in north stow and most of their uh most of their members seem to come from north stow uh and yet it looks like they they're in Huntington they're not even in South Cams um listening to everyone and I take on both what Bill says I think we should as part of giving this grant insist that they include north stow in their name and if they don't include north stow in their name then we don't give them the money so you know I fully understand where Bill's coming from and the local politics of this I suspect is the reason why they just came to us uh and I I suspect there's a bit of a trap here actually if we turn this down so I I think we should support it but on the bay on on the condition that they include north stow in their name um that's my view thank you John catch Wellington I suspect that they haven't changed the name because they are um either registered somewhere as Huntingdon or um club or their bank account is called Huntingdon and I think we may all know how very difficult it is to change your bank account name and signatures it can take you 12 months or more believe me uh sorry sorry um Sue but that's um they can you know they can trade as uh north stow and district or something um um hockey club I don't you know they need to have if you know if they're based in north stow and south camps is giving them money then there needs to be some recognition in their name that they are based in north stow and south camps not in Huntingdonshire who are not giving them anything so you know they can still under the Charities Commission or whatever still be known as Huntingdon but for intense and purposes their trading name or brand name could be north stow um so I'm I'm you know I'm pretty annoyed actually that they um aren't recognised in the fact that they are um based in they've been based in north stow some time um from from Emma's report so um I don't see that any reason why they can't um include north stow in their name and recognise the fact that they are serving the community of north stow and that they're being funded by south camps. Thanks John I'll bear that out actually because um you'll be familiar with the mobile warden schemes we discussed or we discussed earlier um Melbourne the Haston scheme and that was very different names on my hand now still retains MMWS because it's bank and charitable status but the publicity if you like and the actual logo is changing everything so um it's now going to be Melbourne and district warden so it kind of covers that so it's only a slight change but you can you can do it as long as you leave the original um who you actually are intact so that's pretty sad. Okay anybody else got any comments Bill? Say I think yeah I agree with John actually we should follow his follow his lead on this and um frankly I think in the fullness of time north stow is going to be and not that in not too far in the future it's going to be a big enough place to warrant having its own hockey club so why not say let's have a north stow hockey club now based on the money that we we support and encourage them to come back to us. Right so this is going to be some very carefully worded letter from Emma so let's we've heard what John said and obviously the Huntington stroke and also um hockey club can listen to this recording and hear what's been said as well so it might be perhaps worth mentioning that that this is a a recording of this this whole thing that can listen to this at the time stamp I'm sure Aaron can give you the time stamp um so our decision is to approve the application with the caveat that seems that the Huntington hockey club is now based in north stow they do not appear to be funded because they haven't said so in their their documentation from anywhere else and it would appear that most of their clientele come from north stow that we would I'm going to be diplomatic hope and expect perhaps that their trading name could be perhaps changed to the north stow and Huntington hockey club that way they keep both there's a 50 50 you go some we'll go some and on that basis then we would then give them the 1981 pounds and 75 p but I think before we give them the actual money they need to come back and say they're going to do that and I suppose we have to look around the room and probably John wants to check in here if he wants but if they refuse point blank then I would argue that we perhaps authorise officers to say in that case then I would like don't find 1981 pounds and 75 p from somewhere else I agree with you Joe I agree with you Joe I think it's a small small thing we will ask them to do and that is to put north stow on the map you know help us put north stow on the map by including north stow in their name in return for the grant natural threat that that one line of air that phrase could go in that letter if that's okay am I what John just said you know put them on the map okay thanks yeah go for it um I think probably Emma um ask Emma to maybe speak with Claire Givens and the people the um Conidges team at at north stow and just ask them to speak with the people who play hockey in north stow um perhaps asking whether or not they feel they'd like to set up their own club or or or be the people who have run it this thing uh maybe I'm I'm throwing a perhaps playing a spammer in the works but I do think that uh yes I think that north stow should have its own hockey club am I I agree with what John on what you're saying just yeah you got a point but actually you know if if this this club we're already based in in north stow and most of their clientele is not all of ma north stow or north stow people or at least the surrounding area there it kind of makes sense actually for the people themselves the people who use the club and belong to us and describe to it to say actually it makes a lot of sense what has been asked of us it is a a bigger club we just have on a bigger area so then just then reflect we can keep the bank and the rest of it as it is I think what we're seeing here is Huntington club using a facility in north stow and because it's in north stow you've got quite a lot of people from north stow using you know playing it's it's a it's a it's a short step to say well look it's a north stow club if Huntington people want to join us great you know what I'm saying that's pretty well I think that's where we are I think I think also it could be that there is or there is actually a north stow club I mean you know we could be we could be this situation here where there are actually two clubs north stow and and Huntington and we need to understand that if there are two clubs then why are we giving money to Huntington to a club that that's a line with Huntington and not the club that's a line with north stow so it'd be useful to find that out the other thing I've thought about is it's a I don't know if you know Bill you probably probably don't have to ask that planning colleagues but is there any 106 money that that these people can can access via the town council because presumably the town council may well have got 106 money for sporting activities so you know we ought to also be saying to this club if there is money you know you should be going to you know we'll give you this money but in future go to the town council because they have 106 money from the developers for for for developing sport but if they have I'm not so sure because the 106 situation for the north stow has been so messed up that they probably don't have any 106 money for sport development but you know be useful to know maybe we should encourage them to go and speak to well and cure and say hey what about what about helping us in a small way a modest way because I think yes they should okay so for the fear of creating the Celtic and Rangers ancient history of conflict it's for the north stow and the Huntington Hockey Hockey Club League hockey wars I think we've got enough information we've simply said we've come to the decision that's what we feel will be a full mention we'll be pitching John and ourselves and my grandma um good luck with the letter thank you very much for helping us with this and um I think that's that's where we're going to be uh it's a yay as long as there's a few conditions attached to the yay okay lovely thanks over to you with the Milton then okay so we have Milton outdoor bowls club um they began in 2000 and currently benefits 50 elderly members each paying an annual subscription of 40 pounds they've said that the present equipment at the club is more than 15 years old very worn out and it's proving very difficult for the elderly members to operate um so the application is for eight new ball gatherers which you've probably seen in previous applications that we've had from other bowls clubs um total costs are 520 pounds and all is being requested from the community chest we have support from um councillor Anna Bradnham councillor Judith Ripiff um and councillor um Paul Bear Park that has come through also the chair of the parish council Hazel Smith um is really supportive as well thank you thanks Emma right this kind of goes back to where we had our colleague officer Ben Scott present with regards to those grants for active and what have you with the various schemes for keeping people active and if you look on the page 49 the average age is 75 which fits in with the the numbers for 2041 that Jessica was talking about um with the oldest being 82 so hey this kind of fits just about every every tick in the box all the thing on councillor Hannah fully supportive it's a fan in modest sun but could a modest sun that can make a huge difference so yeah fully supportive well i'm looking around the room i can't see anybody shaking their head or anything on that so i think i'm i'm i'm taking that as a support primarily yeah thanks over to you Emma thank you um so we have a biodiversity application on page 50 this is marvel green management company um so marvel green is a collection of 18 houses which are set back from the elder of high streets home owners are members of the marvel green management company and each owner share of the freehold of a wooded green area this is a piece of land sort of just sort of buying their houses um each homeowner pays a service charge of around 350 pounds annually and they've come up with some fantastic plans for the marvel green wildlife corridor projects um so both residents and south camps district council um the planning department are keen to preserve this land and enhance citizen natural wildlife environment residents have already come to an agreement on a vision as i've just said um they've already already this or this vision includes planting native hedges and trees aquatic plants and wildflower meadow and you can see there's a nice plan there is part of the application um they some of the plans are also to link both the arts and science so they want to use it as a prototype for new residential biodiversity enhancing developments um they also want to involve children and adults in the creation of nature inspired arts so they would like to open it up to the public as a garden and annual basis so the total project costs towards the rewilding green or 2 000 pounds all of which will be requested from the community chest they've said that with eight people working full days this this part of the project could be done in one weekend to avoid labour costs um i've been in discussions with lee hillan the principal operations manager um and he said that the watercourse team um and their equipment has also been offered to assist with this project i think that's going to be next spring time and then we have support from yourself councillor haild and councillor sully ann hart thank you thanks Emma it's your mind if i because i'm very familiar with this if you look at that plan that that pond isn't going to be put in the already exists it's a settling pond where the service water from the the whole site it's absolutely enormous um i'm one comment from the parish council the local parish council was i don't think that was a very good idea to put that pond in there well it's there for a reason so that's why so that's going to be it's a bit raw looking at the moment as you'd imagine so that's going to be redeveloped up to make you look much more pretty and what have you has with all the other stuff so the left hand side of that plan is where the water courses as you can see lee hillan is the officer that came out to be familiar with lee um he offered the services of of his team as emmer has already said as it's a part of the adoptive water courses or protective water courses i can't remember which one it was now but he was very keen to assist in a proper managed process not just ripping out and making all your views and why it is it's going to be done very carefully um the whole of the development are involved in this where it says about the eight people there is a core of people but the entire development come out the children come out now um i've seen photographs and why have you been fixing pieces of people doing this that's actually lovely um south cams also have an interest um anyway because we have some of our housing on the side the social housing mainly as ours i think it's not all ours because mainly ours is in by to our homeship i think as well for the generally speaking the other stuff is ours so there's a buying from everything i think it's why lee is also part and parcel of this process so as i say for me i think this is brilliant i mean they are driven these people um they this space was offered to the parish council at the point of 106 open spaces and the parish council declined to take it um they didn't feel they wanted to be responsible for it so it was set up if you like as a manager you know i can manage and come to resident group if you like um and it's it's being driven very very powerfully by i think those eight people but it's that there's about three or four people that are really very keen and the lead on the application is a uh um so that's exactly where you're going to come from so it's yours council handling what um part and marvel green management company playing in all this that's essentially a resident group that is actually a resident group okay all right so not it okay yeah capsis hanford yeah shed more light on that bill um we have these um nebulous management companies sprung bringing up all over the district and the estate i live on i'm actually one of the directors of management company in theory we um maintain the area and disperse the funds um although it's actually subcontracted but um i assume the directors of marvel green management company are the residents and they will take responsibility not just for getting the work done but for maintaining the area going forward it's not going to be a financial burden on sdcc sdcc going forward after you know obviously there's going to be maintenance weeding trimming whatever to be done every year um and we're not committing the council to taking that on board i assume because that's a question for emma i'm probably better off but i'm sure they'll be like anybody else they'll have the availability to come back and ask for help with something rather than that's fine but there is no on cost to sdc they are also uh are going to attempt to make an application to the parish council i don't know if that's in there i don't see it per side but they are they are looking to do that as well so i think there's going to be further further costs down the line for bits and pieces the chairman of the parish council milk to parish council has been on the site with some colleagues and seeing it um recently i think he was there on one of the days where half the community was there digging holes and taking stuff out of the ground and might be in the weeds and was very very impressed so hopefully that will that will shed some joy on there they got a fair chunk of um 106 money and continuous 106 money and meldrif was melbourne doing that kind of push that out annually so that's that's a there's another route for them there as well going into the future but generally speaking i his is something pretty good councillor elinton i i've had experience where um lee hillam is extremely good at bringing his digger back and cleaning up bombs and things because it's part of his duty as the awarding board cause and that really means that the pond doesn't get to be a sludgy mess it becomes a really live um interesting place for wildlife just one one other question i think i know the answer to it but um can you assure me that there are no members of the marvel green management company board that are being remunerated no i can't i don't believe so there wasn't mentioned when we had quite a lengthy discussion that's a good point i think i'd be more less less inclined if if people are actually kept taking some kind of payment for for doing what they do i would be less inclined to support it and maybe that's a question we should ask before we make a decision totally agree so Emma did you want to speak to me sorry did you put your hand up sorry i was going to say it's most unusual for these management companies to actually pay their directors we do it for love not money i think it's worth just checking so i think is a very third question so when if if we're minded to approve we approve on the provider that the question the answer is to come back and we see a management structure of the marvel green management group um where these people are situated what involvement they have with the scheme itself or the or the management group and are any of those those people funded by this scheme and if they are how much yeah i mean we may well decide to to fund it in any case but i think we need to have that information before we take that decision that's my that's my opinion i'll totally agree with you but i think if we get that information there so we'll leave that with Emma if it comes back that they are i would say at that point we've done automatically funding we could ask Emma to go back for a job to if you like make that final decision make that final decision and then we can be informed perhaps as an update at the next meeting if that's okay with you Emma are you okay with that john yeah joe one thing i was going to ask you because obviously you're you know a lot about this is presumably most management companies have a service charge which i mean i'm peter will know about this which residents pay for the maintenance for the grounds maintenance yes there is i just wondering how much of this service charge if any is going to be used for this project um if are you know are the residents themselves contributing towards this through their service charge um or not the service charge is 350 pound annually it says here and scdc also pays a service charge to the management company for the affordable rent properties so i think in that letter though is that service charge just for the maintenance or would it cover something like this right so the ownership and maintenance of the common area are regulated by a covenant which is administered by the management company the sale of any given property transfers the share of ownership to the new owner each homeowner pays a service charge of around 350 annually and as i said scdc pay a service charge for the affordable rent properties so i think i agree with you john in the letter that emma is going to kindly write to the marvel green management company asking information that we've already asked we should also include that the 350 that that is collected the service charges is that also going to be using this process or our south cams totally funding this process on his own and i think i think i think it would be prudent to say that we'll defer natural facts only next month and then we're going to come back again so we could get this information the next month yeah do you reckon am i do you think yeah we can get the information so if we right so i think we'll defer the decision until next month depending on that information coming back or in that way we don't confuse the issue yeah it's not going to do much now anyway to the spring so it's irrelevant no so you happy with that john yeah i'm happy that it's just that i want to understand exactly how how the residents are involved with this yeah and i know obviously they're putting a lot of their own time and effort into it from what you say yeah but also they are paying the the management company yeah um and it's the management company using this money to towards this scheme that's all i want to know okay brilliant okay that information we'll get it for next month a bit of that okay thanks Emma hold on that one and we'll go to the next one then thanks okay this is the final application this is a cost of living application on page 52 from cambourne town football club um they have 750 members so i think it's one of the biggest football clubs in the district um they'd like to start a community football kit exchange where people can donate and collect good quality items of football kits for reuse all items are free um which means that no one should ever feel excluded from playing football um and it's also open to people or clubs outside cambourne which is good to note um any excess or uncollected donations will be donated to the cams fae sports gen scheme or salvation army who have a scheme that some makes new yarn from old textiles so nothing goes to waste as such um total estimated costs are 1143 pounds and 96 pence all of which has been requested from the community chest the town council already make financial contributions to the football club just to be aware um and we have support from all three um local district councillors thank you thanks Emma colleagues comments i mean the obvious question is are the parents going to do anything yes it's okay so that's fine um um cancer harawch i think it's an excellent project i'm just again do you know what magic mirrors are yes i do i do i i i i i looking one every morning and it says dear dear joce you are no i have no idea i must admit i don't know what a magic mirror is i sorry so it's been planned well that much i'll say yes please uh so just google what a magic mirror is and apparently it's the latest photo booth concept uh it's in the style of a large touchscreen mirror and you can see the photo that you're creating for yourself uh in the reflection of the mirror i would you want one of those what do they do a wide angle lens i was going to say for me but i assume it so they can see the see themselves and then you kick that they're trying and uh send that on to anybody else they may wish to share that photo with i'll just make a make a point that that's only 45 quid that they're asking for so it's not not going to break the bank really it's only a cheap it's only a cheap mirror i think she's okay okay well i'm i'm i'm very comfortable with this i don't know you guys yet yeah we're all comfortable we're all comfortable with this john so hopefully you are okay brilliant okay that's a yes from us in Emma um and i think that's the end so thank you to Emma for the bits and pieces that mobile warden and the community thanks to ben for the other two that i can't remember the names of hang on probably a long-term condition grants and the leisure centre grants and obviously thank you to you and as always to sign off they're going for doing your bit there and coming in at short notice but to sign off as normal thank you so much to the now thousands of people that watch this this this grant committee meeting every month i'm very grateful as we all are and we try our best to give them money away wisely and i'd just like to have finished that last accolade with john as the most generous man in south comes especially when it comes to the grants committee and our funding screen so yes events are us okay so don't don't overdo it joes okay thank you very much on one and all and that'll be the end of the meeting yeah thanks everyone