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However, they share that time with everyone above and below them Generally Yeah The people from Lesbos are lesbians. Listen guys. Look. They like savings. Okay? Hasn't happened yet it did for Britain. Oh it did. I gotta I know something that could start us off Something a little amusing. I got a I got a text the other day. Hi, and Well, that's a good question. I'm gonna I'm asking the same thing. Here's the text. It's a text from Just some random number it says hi Phyllis. This is him. I have your cheesecake Dude, I knew your name was Phyllis. I was just like you just get a real sense of Phyllis, you know The grandma name you should submit I do not know why that two sentence horror stories No, I don't typically get a text like that every once in a while I'll get a text and it will be people thinking that I'm Kelly and I'm trying to sell my house And so they constantly are giving me like offers on how to sell the house and things like that It's not too common to be a nuisance, but it's just every once in a while that sort of thing happens But I can give my first Phyllis This is my first hi Phyllis. This is Kim. I have your cheesecake Which is enticing to me because I really really know it's one of the top tier dessert I've gotten that one before so it's cool that you've gotten your first one Yeah, I'm initiated now Yesterday I watched two movies and I one of which I hadn't seen before and one that I had All right, and the two movies that I watched were Casablanca, okay, which I've not seen before and I saw Logan's run Okay, now Casablanca was really good. I really liked That's actually not the controversial opinion that I think that move I think Casablanca is like an excellent movie I think I know what the controversial opinion is gonna be now. I've used the process of elimination The controversial opinion, I don't even know if this is controversial or not I guess we'll see but Logan's run is bad and I don't like it. Oh My goodness. Have you have you guys seen Logan's run? I don't think I have. No, I would I it's it's it's probably worth watching. I think it's a it's an odd movie It's about You know, it's a post apocalyptic sort of story Where you have Some of it was it's like 72 or three is a few years before Star Wars fucking changed everything science fiction But it was it's a bunch of people who live in this This idyllic world. Yeah. Yeah This idyllic paradise world essentially underneath this massive dome And they get everything they want and everything's amazing and wonderful But when you turn 30 you participate in an event called carousel where you are reborn in fire Right. So once you're 30 you have to get reborn essentially. Okay That's a general premise I I've seen it before Many many years ago and I and I but that was when I was young and dumb And so I rewatched it yesterday and that movie is bad and it needs it needs to remake because the premise is really interesting But I think in practically every way Its execution is bad to mediocre at best mediocre I Don't I don't know if that's controversial or not. I don't know if people have strong opinions on Logan's run, but it's It's bad But it'd be worth a watch. I don't know. Hmm. I thought it was pretty bad I think that it's that's what needs to be remade is these are these old movies that have interesting premises and Interesting ideas and they're just done really poorly remake those movies Yeah, I'm saying whatever that's about mute the video before you get a copyright strike. What video? We they black Adam before Watch it. There's factorial music. It's do thing. It's not why would you even assume that's black Adam music? I'll make another I don't know if this is also controversial But I had no idea if it I had to check the name of our group chat I didn't know if it was black Adam like Adam and Eve or black atom like the particle. Okay Are you going with this? That's all I didn't I didn't I don't know if I'm supposed to know which one it is both seem equally likely to be the case well That's it. Yeah, I You know formatting for this. I don't know whether to do it before or after where we talk about The miserable mess that is DCU and remember Marvel is to they're just different messes We randomly talk about one or the other because they're very funny to look at because they're the most expensive Storytelling shit that's going on in this world some reason They keep making all horrible horrible decisions now whether or not black Adam is a horrible decision is remains to be seen Okay, like calm down. I'm not I'm not jumping ahead. What do you mean? I was I'm just I'm I'm just thinking Is it better to do the movie first or to do the meta first? Let's start. I think we should start with the meta because I think What oh no, no, what happened of your dad or do the meta first my god That's F for meta and press M for movie This will help things organized Receiving enough video to maintain smooth streaming so well do something It's fine. There's something baller. Do something with your video. I want to do stuff. I'm clicking here. I go clickin Chat we load it's on your own something on the screen I mean well the thing is we could just carry on And if it comes back it does if it doesn't it doesn't because it's all recorded anyway So we can just you know the re-upload people are gonna be like get on with it I don't care if the live people heard what you said, which is very mean re-upload people the live people are Sort of when you say the part of the reason why I was saying before after is cuz What what is in this film and have us talk about the future of the DCU? We can't really talk much about that, but we can talk about why this movie was made past. Yes We could because what you know, this is between the lot of us We're gonna be able to piece it all together like detectives, but what was the one before this for DC? This counting Snyder You know in my head for Marvel I lit legit see them as stacking in this big Jenga tower and soul falling part But with DC it's like the suicide squad. I'm like does that count. It's like yes, it counts. It's like does that count It just feels like it's in his own fucking universe doesn't it like it's doing its own You didn't know about Apparently not there's lots we didn't know about Which where would you rather when it comes to made-up places that were totally they're all along bro Would you rather live in? Kandak or would you rather live in Mara Mara pora? Madra pole madra poor madra poor If you're gonna throw it in Would they allow now Listen, I don't have any problem with white people that's very diversity and inclusion But I fear that the Wakandans who are horrifically racist terrible people might have an issue They had Bilbo there and they didn't kill him or anything. They just called him names. Oh, I'll deal with that That's how it starts smaller. That's how well I'll deal with it. They're gonna use gamer words on you Okay, apparently it's life. It's better now. I don't know. Let's hope that's good Laying out in the preamble is that black Adam has been in development for a long time like Yes, it is well, so not black Adam specifically but rather that Dwayne Johnson has been going back and forth and whether he wanted to be Shazam or black Adam and Like a film that what may or may not have been happening for a very long time before it got locked in a few years ago Does he have a particular look does he really like this character or I? don't know Because um the So like I don't know how much you know about black Adam rags, but he's basically He's basically I know that he's not your typical hero. Hmm. Well The villain traditionally Basically Shazam's arch nemesis But then he sort of slotted into the role of anti hero at some stage But I mean, you know, that's kind of a question. That's worthwhile. It's like black Adam But like seemingly nothing to do with Shazam at all. What's the deal? Um, and I imagine that the deal is it's Dwayne Johnson. He wants to be the lead as opposed to The antagonist in another film, which I think he's upset that he couldn't be Superman Well, I mean black Adam is not quite Superman like I guess power sets are kind of similar, but like Yeah, I power wise he's very close it seems he just shoots lightning instead of laser beams That's that's one of them big differences Yeah, depending on your nudity this that's a huge or tidy difference But black Adam what a what a flim Well, I guess in terms of its place in this universe and like the preamble The DCEU is is not what one would consider a tremendous success I What would you it's gonna be called a success. I don't know I don't know if it could at this point too many of those films haven't made like money When I say the DCEU puts the Stuxon success Like it's I would go as far as saying it failed successfully like that's how it feels It's just like a celebration where it's like congratulations. You managed to make it over the finish line of failure Let's put let's put it this way the only reason why the DCEU isn't over is because it's superheroes So like this there's an intent in the desire to keep it going when if any other series had had this many failures Critically and commercially it'd be done Like because this is the 11th film and and how many of them could like honestly be said to be like good Well, you suggest the suggesting part of it is like relying on Marvel pushing it all forward as well as the Matter yeah, like Warner Brothers would never want to let it die because it presents their best opportunity to Franchise something because nobody this is it right like there's Marvel which Disney owns and then there's a There's a DC which is owned by Warner Brothers universal doesn't have this like Paramount doesn't have this I Can't believe I'm forgetting the fifth one Ah Big movie studio the major ones Fox No, we're foxes Disney now. So What am I what am I? That's Papa Jones. Oh, Sony yes, Tony and Sony is trying to make their own like spider-man universe basically right like they It's we're in an era where it seems like what the studios really want is franchises because franchises are In some sense instead of having to go out on a limb and create something totally new that people may or may not respond to You can leverage something that you know has some level of interest Straightaway, that's why they're never gonna give up on making DC films ever But then the problem is that that attitude has been like we got to keep going with what we what we have And it's led to this incredibly incoherent universe where like you don't even know who's participating in it anymore in terms of actors You don't know like if they're blending unit like what's the deal in terms of blending in old universes that they had Like bringing in Michael Keaton Batman, of course when projects get canceled a couple of months before they come out That's it's still a lot of confidence of people in terms of like the longevity of like following through on any sort of road map But the reality is there probably hasn't been a road map. It's like this shambling mess on life support That like has taken consistently taken injuries that cannot be fixed with surgery And so like he's got broken bones and he's bleeding out of his eyes And he's like crawling forward and nobody like it. That's it. He has to keep going Yeah, these are strings are attached drag him across the floor Because I think that there was fundamentally there seems to be refusal to entertain what I I don't know what everybody would think here The reality that you need to do a hard reboot Yes, God fucking yes Yeah, you might agree with that meme like it's it's um, you've got a universe that a lot of things have already been wasted and Squandered that a lot you're all of your A-listers. Yeah, there's a lot of things in squandered. It's like what hasn't been squandered That's true, right? It's like you've had a few things that come along to I Mean, I don't think it's any surprise that the Batman which is a film that is totally separate from all of this Like benefits great like a stronger and even that film I think probably got hurt to some degree by a level of Damage that's been dealt to DC as a brand that like that that didn't make a billion dollars is not not like awesome It's it was super successful, but Batman right and even like Batman has been hurt to some extent by what I would imagine is a level of broader brand damage to DC and the damage being that Marvel I think has a reputation for being reliable. I don't think that they should have that anymore But I think that they still got that to some extent like there seems to be this reputation that at the very least should be Entertained again after phase four. I don't think that that's the case But like they have that going for them and I think that they have like a sense of it's never gonna end Maybe that will come under a bit of like challenge if there's like more and more and more like, you know Looking forward at the box office of upcoming films But DC doesn't really have that DC's in a place where people don't really know what is or isn't continuity Or like which characters even exist in this world anymore And like that seems to be something that's really important to being able to maintain like a long-term like multi-movie franchise like Marvel So yeah DC's not in a very good place and now comes along black Adam Spearheaded by Dwayne Johnson with a lot of new elements in it And seemingly as part of the marketing material a This being an important film in terms of determining what the future of DC looks like because it makes a lot of money Dwayne Johnson can leverage more of that because of a lot of it would stem from him I would imagine to steer the direction of this universe if it doesn't who knows He's probably like when they have this face me and like you can have my star power, but in exchange I'm I'm gobbling up a decent portion of this gonna be my big next project. I want an MCU God help us all Because he never would have been He probably wouldn't have been if he was to join the MCU with whatever hero They're not gonna give him much of a slice. Hi. I'll have a boss not If he spearheads the DC you and gets it in any way shape or form close enough to the MCU's success Then you'll have a big old pizza all to himself. It'll be great Yeah, pretty much a big fish in a small pond And so even if uh black adam isn't super successful, you'll probably just feel like all right What we do it next like how many times have they Had full starts anyway I don't know Every time Pretty much every time Yeah Well, uh, what how do we want to go about doing this? Do we want to have a quick thing of everyone's quick thoughts on The darkness of adam and what they feel to him Sure, um Did more just yorda we boring you sir? I have been up for a very very long time. All right You fuck. Anyway black adam, uh, it's a movie. Who's gonna first? Let's go. Um All right, you don't need to get political. Jeez I just I figure you know, we usually go left to right. Let's mix it up Sure fine meme Suppository you can go Sure sure, um So so so black adam it was in fact another dce you film and everything that that means So, uh, you know take of that what you will it's you know, it's very style over substance It's a film that doesn't like to stay still for very long It's in many ways. You know while I was watching it while I was in the theater absorbing it with my ibeams Um, I felt like I was not so much watching a film that ebbed and flowed in pacing as much as I was watching An extended action sequence That had very occasional, you know pauses for breath and then it would go right back into just blowing shit up and zapping things with lightning and um Shit like that. Um, it was There was a lot of montages and speedy expositionary narration that seemed to just Signpost we don't want to stay with characters or story very long. We want to just get right to the fucking Yeah, let's let's fucking, you know punch demons in the testicles and then get heroes to fight. Yeah, let's let's let's fry soldiers Yeah, oh fuck. We've got to stop for a while. No, let's go back to it. That's kind of how I felt watching it um so the rock Was despite him being the big selling point of this film was quite terribly miscast, um as teth adam He like I don't know. I think he lends himself more to comedic roles from what I've seen of him and There's some hilarious, but With that being said, there is some unintentional hilarity with his casting here where um He can't do any accents So he's just speaking with his dwayne the rock johnson voice yet every fucking kandakian has this you know pretty middle either has like a south african or a middle eastern accent depending on Where they hail from but he he doesn't have any of that. He's just the rock and when he's Everyone in the past had the rocks accent. We know this from historical documents True true accents weren't invented until like 2000 ad Yeah, yeah, I I read that in the bible um and Like the the film keeps going on about how angry Black adam is yet all of the rocks delivery is so flat and subdued and he kind of acts like an autistic robot For most of it or like an alien that came down to earth and doesn't quite know how the human work Um, which is like partially a writing problem partially a performance problem It's kind of a both kind of feed into each other Which kind of leads into my next thing which is the diet the dialogue is really bad In this film it is very on the nodes very baby's first drama And it's not helped by the fact that this film is Overstuffed they had about three films They had about three films worth of material in here and they didn't and all they really wanted to focus on was the action potential For all of it. Um, I wouldn't call it snider levels are bad because that's like a new dimension of Misery but like it's it's about if we go by the gradient of bad of the dceu Um, this is about in the middle for me though. Maybe I can be swayed either way like i'm still Marinating on it. Um, there's some really utterly perplexing world building in here Like I the justice society in general raises a lot of questions Like especially with suicide squad and everything The fact that there's murderer batman adorning a child's wall is merchandising or the fact that the justice league seems to have had They keep doing that problem Yeah Yeah, that's uh, it's an ongoing thing like and the justice league in this universe seems to have had about five trilogies worth of Adventures happening off-screen because they seem so you big good is at this point um And you don't fucking review the whole movie Yes, I am Yeah, I know I just have all of this Summary here of my thoughts And uh, fucking black adam You know, he's an edgy the the final thing I will mention Is uh, because I'll I'll get into other things later on but the final thing I'll mention is uh You know the all the marketing for this film is like, oh, this is the this is a kind of superhero Or anti-hero that you've never seen before in the dceu. You've never seen anything like this And i'm just thinking like okay. What do we have in this universe? We've had edgy gritty killy superman edgy gritty killy batman Rapey rapey wonder woman And then the rest of it is focusing on anti-heroes and villains and stuff also aquaman and flash in there somewhere Well, I mean aquaman like genocide did a whole bunch of He killed hannurai stavies and remember wonder woman fucking crushed the skulls of her enemies on wall Seriously, if anything black adam what he like vaporizes someone is like, well, that was kind of you compared to what the others do Yeah, so Like this is not any this is actually pretty par for the course as far as like the kind of hero they focus on Which kind of shows that a bit out of touch with their own universe, which is bad So yeah, that's my that's my thoughts. Um beyond what i'll share later, but uh, yeah, that's Some paul's So when you asked When you asked what do we think about black adam? Were you asking about the movie? Or were you asking about the character movie? Oh, okay, so I saw black adam Uh, it's not terrible, but it's definitely not good. I don't feel um I don't feel strongly about it in any way whatsoever I come away from a movie like this being very apathetic There's nothing really in this movie that I particularly care about nothing that really grabs me. There's nothing I found really Really interesting. There's maybe a couple slight exceptions I was just not really I wasn't bored while I was watching it and I've watched it one time and I wasn't even bored But I wasn't wasn't gripped by it Um, so I just I really don't have anything strong in particular to say Uh, though that might of course change As we have our discussion here All right, wait does that mean I'm next? Yeah, go for it. Um, I'm gonna I'm just gonna keep it real short I because I agree with lovo. So it's already been said. I think it's bad. I like the though All right fringy I I enjoyed it, but it's not good pretty much. It's uh It is not particularly well written Um, it's got a lot of problems, but there are certain elements of it that I enjoy and that I think are okay um The most the the main one being pierce brosnan is dr. Fate. That's probably my favorite part of the film Like my favorite character in the film and my favorite element. I also kind of like talk man Um, I don't have that much to say on why I liked anything in particular. Yeah, it's uh I don't know exactly where it would sit in terms of the dce you qualitatively um But yeah, I enjoyed it, but it's not good That's my take don't you don't need to write more. That's okay. You don't need to write more. It's fine You can stop now I you don't need to you can if you want it's just you know, yeah capital Ah, this movie is not very good at all if this was if they hoped that this would be a sort of reset for the dce you this isn't it um in my opinion this feels Maybe slightly better, but definitely in the same, you know family the same world as the previous dce you movies It's not very good I think what interesting ideas that were there to be explored were not done very well. It's a very confused movie Uh thematically and symbolically The action was Fine. It's fine. They kind of washed over me. I wasn't especially gripped by any of the action Uh, they do not do the man out of time Stuff with the rock very well at all No, not even a little bit. There's there's a joke or two that made me kind of laugh um That's about it as far as his character um And I think above all the fact that the we'll talk more about this Of course, but the fact that they try to paint him as oh, he's you know, he's not he's not a superhero He's like uh more edgier I just find that very very cringe and not well supported by what happens At all or by what happens in the previous movies in What this is the wrong franchise to have that kind of marketing. It doesn't wait. Yes. It's very very bad choice. Um There's some really bad world building. There's some I don't know very uh like Oh, there's some really bad performances not just from the rock But like there's a little kid in the movie who's especially bad. Yeah um Pierce Brosnan is good. He lends it a sort of uh Gravitas that is missing more legitimacy Yeah There are some funny lines from a couple funny characters and that's cool. I guess This has some of the worst Music and soundtrack choices I've seen in a film since maybe 2016's Uh the Suicide Squad Um very bad use of music. No good. Oh, you mean like do you mean the use of the score or the use of uh More specifically the soundtrack, but I did not think the score was great either But the soundtrack was especially Agreed just in my opinion Funnily enough I remember I told ball of this when I walked out of the theater after watching the film I was whistling black atoms theme. I kind of like it. I kind of like his theme I don't remember it, but I wouldn't necessarily knock the score as much as some of the I know what you talked about. It was uh, it was when they it was it was back in black Oh, wait. No, not back in black. Um, the what's uh, I'm mixing black and back painted black Uh the bullet with butterfly wings by smashing pumpkins. That was really get it At all I really like that song. Yeah, but it sucks here very good. No, it's like Isn't another one as well That pops up when he attacks the bass. It's the exact same thing as the painted black thing. It's such a different song Yeah, it was like the saint's roy three song, right? Yeah, that's why I knew that for all my think. Yeah It's very it's very much like the no, sorry suicide squad In that it makes me hate all the songs. I used to really like Because he was so sad That's what button is. Yeah So I would say this is Par for the course or maybe slightly better than the rest of the dceu, but if it is better, it's not by much And that's I I would be I think I feel like I would say that it's It's we can't forget how bad some of these foes are Hey, look, hey, look, this is the fun part where we're all gonna go through this and I I've already got a Shit ton of arguments for how shit this is but also for how it's actually kind of redeemable So looking forward to what we conclude by the time we go through all of it because Superman lays at a bunch of embryos to death I feel like black adam is I'm never gonna have that problem. The bar is low. That is true Even though they try to make him more villainy Less villainy than superman Doesn't think if they even tried to have black adam do that the rock would be like I'm not doing that. I'm not a bad guy You know, I'm not actually bad. Yeah, I'm not actually I'm gonna market myself as being a bad boy, but I'm not actually Yeah, that requires some level of commitment and moral dubiousness, which I don't really want to commit to It's still unbelievable. By the way, krypton had his chance. What he says before doing that Jesus Christ Bastille, what a legendary movie Do you know I used to just tell people that movie was fine and cool because I didn't remember it Anyway, uh, yeah, so we'll just get started up We'll we'll we'll do is as we just go scene by scene sort of but there's no visual aid I'm afraid guys because this this movie is just not out, you know There's hot off friends don't have to use your imagination. We'll have to use our storytelling skills to get you in I thought no, you you you can't have our friends at rush bet I love those guys So, yeah, we uh, I thought it was kind of funny. I was I was when I was watching this We were sort of just like smiling the idea of we tried to introduce this whole new set of like law Basically like before Rome Babylon or the pyramids there was conduct and I was already like Ah, the marvel have done this like 17 times in phase four. Yeah. Yeah Turns out there isn't this entire grand civilization that we made Yeah, by the way, just not enough with the exposition like narration that ends This little prologue it only is here to serve as exposition. I think that's part of what was making me speak I was just like, all right DC. What have you got now? And it's like before times 2600 bce and you're just like, oh god, here we go Transformers when Optimus Prime is talking about the old spark It just seems like it's like look don't even try to do a grant. Just give me a character I think as soon as you watch that you're like, oh, so this isn't going to be great or anything Yeah, like the first self governing people on earth they thrived for centuries But then there was a shitty ruler called king Acton who was a dick and seriously When they introduced that alone, I was like, okay, I'm following and then they were like He wanted to use dark magic to forge the crown of Sabaq and I was like, oh my god Oh, no, that sounds like that. Let's sure I'm sure wouldn't want that to happen This is one of those out of that happen. This one is pump the brakes guys. Like what do you mean use dark magic? Like what is that? That's just a thing for okay fine You just you know using your dark magic But you can't make the crown of Sabaq that is by the way infused with the power of six demons of the ancient world Oh my god, this is getting worse by the minute. I thought that was a hilarious line This the power the six demons of the east because it's the six you do is the six demons of the ancient world This is you know Each one of those seven demons from Shazam Seven demons the ancient ones. It's like this other guy who's like, yeah odd number I was here known really remembers me. That's all right Yeah, it's supposed to reflect the the the friendly wizard people the the evil demon people now Which you'd know if you'd watch Shazam rags. What the fuck is wrong with you? God No, no, what's wrong with you? That's true because I was told Shazam was great and I watched it with metal and we're both like this was shit So that'll you guys will get covered to that one day at some point That's a spicy take. It is a spicy take, but it'll be completely confirmed because I'm sorry. Okay. There's some funny and quicky things in the movie. I'll give you that All right. I agree with the sentiment that it's a cool Like When people when it came out everybody's like, oh man finally a great dc film nobody talks about it like presently Not really. No. Yeah Not in the same way that people will continuously reference like guardians for the mcu, you know Yeah, exactly. So Before we go too far with the opening exposition and narration sequence Uh, did anyone else find the line the very first self governing people? weird Like what did people do? Yeah, because well they It's supposed to be there's this element throughout the film of their fighting for their freedom from the People around them So are they saying that up to that point? It was always like some form of collective was would have a leader. They were leaderless, but like happy And I guess I guess point that they're trying to say is it's like the first civilization But the problem is that it's not old enough for it to be the first civilization Self governing meaning first civilization that doesn't have a definitive ruler Uh What was the apparatus by which they could have somebody become king? That's kind of what my point is that he's saying like the first self governing people on earth. It's like I feel like Having a governance in place is the thing that comes after being self governed You're like Everyone collects up into bigger and bigger pieces and then you have to have leaders wanted us to talk about it for No And the whole point more than they wanted us to the whole reason they bring it up is because they want to Contrast that with and then king act on ruined everything by being king And you're like, okay, which yeah, he's he's super evil Um Because he wants the crown of sabbakh infused to the six demons of the ancient worlds the magic This and it's gonna make him invincible if he gets this crown But he can't get the crown because he needs to make it with eternium and eternium is mined only in kandak Seriously, when you get all of this as a shock and blast at the beginning It's like what the fuck is like what's what the hell's going on with that? We've got a new we've got vibradium agad Another one of those another another maguffin metal, which I don't really do anything with how they don't Half and half. It's like Adam once. I think that's they do some stuff with it. That's plot relevant I I mean, I don't know I I wouldn't even determine whether or not it's worthwhile by how many times they use it exactly but You know, we get there's some stuff that we'll go over Wake up a night. I mean to be fair the crown is made out of it, right? So You know, uh, yeah, the crown is yeah the crown is Yeah, so anyway Then to get the eternium he enslaved all the people in kandak to to mine it as best as they can and then They can collect it all up and make a big old crown and then he can become the demon prince of the six demons of the Ancient dark magic world and become the crown of sabbakh. I don't know It's all like a power thing. I guess So he's a dick. That's what he's up to And it's really sad and then we we we meet up this this is because there's a slave who manages to mine And he's he finds he's got a bit of eternium. He's like, oh my god, and then like He's like celebratory about it and a few people notice and then he realizes that and then starts trying to hide it And like a bunch of people start going bra bra bra. I want the eternium And I was just like why the if if it's that rare and important The other slaves are probably willing to partially kill you to take the stuff that you found Like the second you see it you want to hide that shit. You're like, oh my god Yeah, because this this is a death sentence. If I don't do this correctly Well, so it makes the kandakians look kind of You know vicious Well, I guess maybe you're desperate. It makes way less sense in about one more minute that are Yeah So, yeah, they're they're obsessed to that point. They don't want it, but luckily before a fight breaks out Some kid is like, let's not fight everybody Let's not do that Don't say yeah, he tried to hide it. No, no, no, no, no, you gotta you gotta listen Okay, so he sees it and then he's like, ooh And then some other people see him seeing it and then he's like, oh, oh geez Oh god when I'm saying the first thing you should do if you see a glint of blue Is like, oh fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck cover it up cover it up. Okay. Okay. If this is etanium. Holy shit. Okay I need you to shove this down my my trials a whole I need to get this out of here without any you should be that obsessed with this this shit What a weird work environment like you're there for all time trying to dig up this blue shit But the second you do everyone might kill you for it he's just like The Hold it down, please. Is that a really bizarre incentive structure that we'll get to in a minute. Yeah Yeah incentive structure is the way to put it Um But yeah, the kid breaks it up, which is great. I guess they all really respect him and appreciate what he has to say He's a very uh Assertive young man. I'm very happy that he was there in that one. Uh, yeah It's it's good that he was able to like imagine an oldish kind of man who has like the most valuable thing in existence In his hand and he's surrounded by a bunch of very very angry people who want to take that thing from him And then the kid just shows up says no, don't do that and then they all just stop and they don't care anymore He's very persuasive. They do. Yeah, they do give up pretty quick. He must be. Yeah He must be extremely persuasive. He must have rolled very high on that charisma check because everyone's is like Because if it was some guy that like everyone was partial friends with a respected some village elder Even you'd be like, oh, I can kind of see if it's like it's just some kid. He's all right fine uh The kid is just like, yeah chill out. We gotta we can we'll we'll do the thing We got to do which is you take your attorney him to the local slave driver man and be like, hey, hey attorney him Do I get my reward? That's that's how that works. It's a very proud conveyor of slaves Um, he is uh, he's a supervisor really like jordy leforge and and the guy is like, uh, you Yeah, you can get your reward and like the first thought I had and I assume everyone else is like Is he gonna kill him? This feels like he's gonna kill him. We're gonna kill him Yeah, and then he guts him and throws him off The little thing they're on and so it's just like so here's the problem When the reward for giving in the attorney him is I kill you it's like Uh, I don't know why there's an incentive at all for anybody to be desperate This is the kind of shit where if you find it you're like, oh fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck someone else take over You could grab it I don't want to get stabbed. I don't want to have any intention drawn to me whatsoever Even though it is extremely beneficial for the person in charge Yeah, no it's stupid in many ways Yeah, I it's that it falls into that trope umbrella of bad guy kills his own men You have this just such an annoying trope Yeah, it's this needlessly pointless cruelty That is counterproductive not even unnecessary. It's just totally counterproductive where you're you're essentially punishing people Who want to be rewarded in some way for giving you something that is of extreme and incredible importance So you kill them just to show that now these guys are bad These are the bad guys when we when they get toasted later You won't feel bad about that at all and if you want to argue No, they usually give rewards. This was the one time what they did. It's like, why ever do it? There's never worse. Yeah, you should never that just means it's a lottery and he was like, I'm fucking risking getting gutted. Why would I do that? Uh, and yeah, that's the weird implication of that is that they almost always give a reward But this time he was like, ah, no, fuck you The fact that you wouldn't even ask for a reward is why you're If I were the king and particularly evil still and I found out this is having every like you fucking idiots No, every person who finds us a stone's worth of that shit send them to the like a happy place whatever give them a really great reward Yeah, everybody who facilitates me becoming invincible and powerful and strong and just better Reward those people and the people who try to stop me and get in the way punish them horrifically and publicly I want you want to reward people helping you because you want them to help you might even be better off now having a public execution for that particular slave driver just to be like Guys the reward thing was serious. This guy fucked up. He doesn't work for me off with his head He's yeah, uh words with the slave driver union. We'll see what we can do But this is not acceptable anymore slave drivers gut you and throw you off a cliff like just let us know Yeah, um, really really bad start. I was like, oh god Like doing that thing already. Boo Said several reasons Um, yeah, and then the the kid's dad or the kid nearly gets in trouble and the dad shows up He's like, oh, sorry. My kids were taught it. This is fine. Don't worry about it. Yeah And then leaves and he's like kids you got to keep your head down You got to not be a hero and then the kid's like well if we had more heroes we could have freedom Freedom This is to me. I was just like, yeah, all right Fine, I guess It's gonna be black out of at some point. I guess you'll big and rock-ish Big and rock-ish is Yeah, that kind of accurately describes him. He's big and rock-ish Gets all into it and then he's like brah and runs and just grabs the attorney him off the guard Who you would have thought would have been coveted in that shit, you know, because uh Whatever it's fine. And and then uh, he like manages to outsmart all the guards and they're all like falling over each other Trying to capture him until he gets to the top of the little hill and he's like rejoice everyone I am holding the attorney. I'm and they all like they're all like cheering And then he gets taken away for execution, which is what I was expecting would happen I wasn't sure what was going on You know, it's like I did it. Yeah, you you you grabbed it So that you could run away a bit And then he's trying to give him hope. He's like I'm I'm holding the rock of the souls of evil. Look, here's the thing that's Here's the thing that's gonna give the tyrant king's like invincibility. I have it everyone What's the connection with Eternium and the evil demons of the underworld the 16 because you know, it was really well explained in rings of power How mithril is both good and evil because of balrog and a prince A tree that was hit by lightning because it's strong and unyielding like evil. Yes. Yes, but in this they don't really give you much in terms of just It's a material that the real the evil people want you to make a crown out of Okay, it's kind of kryptonite a little bit sometimes. Yes, there is a moment kind of vibranium other times kind of You know, it's a conductor of evil energy Yeah Think about that. Yeah, it seems to be only evil. I don't know if the good guys can make use of it It doesn't seem like they can in the movie today Um, they don't make use of it. No, but they should because it's incredible and it can make you do some incredible things As we see and it's the only thing that seemingly can kill black adam. So Might want to hang on to it um So yeah, he does that and he's taken away and then they're about to kill him and the wizards from shazama like Shazama And they they snatch him up and they give him powers And then it ends with the like he then took out the king and all was well in kandak And it's it's very much like hmm. That was a bit of a rushed ending. I wonder if there's more to that Oh, maybe there will be But then they like fast forwarded today and kandak has been taken over by like international mercenaries. It was like, oh And that's why they're playing the first song national pumpkins and like The inter gang occupy kandak with tech that can like make them teleport and crank up to speeds on little Flying motorcycles that are basically Astrid and like it's inhuman. I don't think you can survive it even if We'll get to that pretty it's quite something to just introduce into the world that there's there's international mercenaries so powerful that they could control an entire country and that they have essentially Magical technology It's seriously they just dump all of this on you I have to tell you that there's demon princes that are trying to get a crown From a particular bloodline in order to Raise hell on earth or something. It's just like, oh my god. What are you doing? All at once. Yep, it's all done done Elements but they're like significant in terms of implications on a world that hasn't acknowledged the existence of kandak Or the fact that it had like a great champion in the past who had superpowers Or yeah, that you've got like a private military company that's taken over at a sovereign state Yeah, yeah, none of that like the the military Mercenary people taking over this sovereign state. That's not clear at all. Um, also inter gang is a really stupid name It's from the call It's an actual gag. Haha. It's like what what should we call ourselves? We're very inclusive and diverse I don't think if you're operating at that level, I feel like you're not calling yourself something gang Don't know gang gang It's like, um, when uh in uh, what is it? I think it's just like when When a wonder woman grabs that guy the terrorist and it has the lasso of truth around him And she says who are you like what do you work for whatever he says? We're a gang of reactionary terrorists. Like I don't think you would describe yourself that way if you were in that group I don't know if you were an international gang. Yeah, I don't know an international gang of mercenaries Oh, that was brilliant So we zoom into like a uh a little part of kandak where there's a check going for the vehicles This vehicle check they I guess the inter gang check your vehicle for um Stuff, I don't I'm not even sure I don't know what their laws are but they they you can't be smuggling something Start certain things and um as he's doing it a little kid tries to go past the guy on a skateboard and uh That that kid is is actually the person who narrated the opening And I think just from those few bits of narration. He did rags. You're already like why is this terrible actor speaking? It was one of my first if not the first criticism I made was as all of this backstory was being introduced. I said wow, I hate this narrator's voice so much Little did I know Little did I know That the character narrating it would be a consistent extremely annoying element to the film that would pop up insistently Also, you know as if you didn't have reason to not like him He he like pushes the guy and then just like get out of here stupid kid You gotta gotta wait to be checked and then he's like i'm on a skateboard and he's like if there's wheels It's gotta be checked and then the kid says, you know what you're a neo imperialist from halfway around the world Here to steal my country's natural resources strip mine my sacred lads pollute our water repress our heritage and make us wait in lines all day It's such a like What Chad yes Either I I was legit like oh god cringe What is this fucking 10 year old lecturing me on? This 10 year old skateboarder He seems like a chime traveler Planted him from the 90s He's got a skateboard and he ties his sweater around his waist And he's and he's skateboarding around all the bad men and he gets away And he holds on to the truck on a skateboard to go even faster And he wants to be cool and part of things and I like oh my god It's a it can we just call him the skateboard kid. I don't know we can call him something. Yeah, I'm gonna call him the kid Skateboard kid is too long The skate no it isn't I said it is so it is no no it isn't the skateboard kid is not only perfectly long Link see no, it's not only perfectly link. Well, then you'd like it because it's longer. No, that's not how long works How does it work? If you use the self-having here, I remind you of I'm thinking of ending things That movie was long Was it long or did it just feel like it went on forever? There is it's remember girth very important It's a wide See it was a bit cringe He by annoying the guy the guy is like, ah, fuck it this car. You can go you can go And I remember thinking Okay, so it was cringe that he said all like she's like 10 Also the it's pretty convenient that that car now gets away with it when they clearly because one of them was like Had a gun and they were ready to shoot the guy if he'd check the back I guess I was like wow, but it turns out He's the son of the person that's being smuggled in the car And she's like hyper into the politics And so she's probably fed the shit out of him with all of this constantly And that's why he's repeating it without even understanding probably any of it You know, I was like, I was like taking two issues and then I was like actually Okay, fine fine for both of them. I think that the dialogue is a little bit cringe in universe is kind of what I'm getting at Yeah, it is cringe in universe. It's cringe in all universes across the multiverse I am saying universe multiversal constant that I actually retract the criticism is what I'm trying to get at That it was gross, but then I was like, oh, I guess that's maybe how that character would say and what he would do when his mom is Like obsessed with this Yeah Well, yes, the movie definitely agrees with his sentiment, but I can just say like I I'm saying that It lines up that he'd probably say all that shit basically Yeah, I get what you mean. I think it's I think it's kind of strange how Pointed the movie wants to be with some political social commentary yet But like this is an invented country and you never find a way into gang of here except the like obviously the one Okay That's fine Strip mine the lands for Eternium to make the evil crown for the demon princes to ultimately have hell Yeah, hell. Yes. Yeah I I think I I don't like the kid not just because of everything But because he seems to be extremely stupid in going up to this armed angry guard Who's checked at this checkpoint stopping people and being like Mom said it's my turn in the radical you're not my real dad radical circular Whoa, you're the best friend ever had talking to wise crack and skateboard and he's extremely knowing and you hate him And you just want him to you just want to be you I've never so quickly sided with an international gang of mercenaries So quickly If this is what the people of conduct produce I am pro colonization God He's just so annoying and stupid. Why would you do this? I like I yeah, I get I you're a kid You're headstrong and you think that you're invincible But at what point do you go the angry men with guns? I shouldn't go up and just harass them constantly Especially if I come through this checkpoint over and over And I have to deal with him again the next time I want to go this way Makes a very conscious decision in relation to their fates In about half an hour from now in movie So Yes, he does You know, he's an interesting little character My kid We'll see about that. We'll continue. He'll get back to him But now so His ranting ends up being a distraction What is not clear to me is whether the distraction was on purpose I think he they didn't want him to get involved in any of this He did that on his own volition and it helped and so he knew that was them Yeah, the guys and he knows all the guys in the car, right? And and they were I think even one of them says like good job little man And then she's like you're not supposed to be anywhere near the shit you fucking dumbo Are you fucking dumbo? Yeah, she says that one to one. That's the dialogue She has a necklace One of them is like wow, that would be with a lot of money. Is it is it magical? And she's like, no, it's unrefined a turnium I remember thinking like it will be it will be magical when we refined it. I this remain I just like what what what are you is it is it magic? Or is it tech not until it's not until it's refined If you ask somebody if something is magic and they say no, it's not refined The implication is that when you refine it, it will become magical Yeah, it is. I was very just like, okay Like whatever let's just keep going because I don't know what that's supposed to mean I'm sure it'll come up in a moment So, um, yeah, the the mining operation is like huge I guess they're looking for the a turnium as much as they can to build another crown I I or because she's currently looking for the old crown So that was mentioned in the opening But they're all there to mine a turnium to make stuff and things they can't make another crown But they do want the crown Right Yeah, well what I'm trying to say is like, couldn't they just make another crown? It's like, oh, maybe they don't have the crown blueprints. They don't So the magic is lost. I don't know I thought that was mining the a turnium because it was like It's just a good resource, but like But their leader wants the crown right leader man wants the crown Is yeah I think you have to assume that they couldn't just take all the a turnium They have powering their magical bikes and make a crown out of that that somehow they don't have That's what I'm saying. Like I guess they just don't know how to make the crown Yeah, they don't have the magics. I guess some people saying like there's only one crown, right? And it's like, well, I don't know is there is can you make more than one crown or are you not allowed? Whatever It's fine multiple crowns. Can you yeah, can you just it's like a video game? Can you just pump out crowns and give them to all of your ponds and your guys? So you're all invincible just crank out those crowns Um, so a group of heroes reach I don't even know if there are heroes at this point. It's kind of unclear She says we're trying to get to the crown Because it's so powerful and then some other guys like so powerful So so who should have it and then she's like no one should have it We need to we need to find it so that we can make it so that no one has it Uh, you know, like put it in a secret place and ditch some way maybe Okay Um, it's it's kind of weird thinking back on the character. You wonder if that character would be like Oh the crown we can use this to free kandak Because she's a big like revolutionary type and she wants to free her because it's almost country So you're like really awkward later on Because I guess we're jumping ahead. She more or less endorses black adam and like his methodology is pro violence She is very pro violence. Uh, she claims her eyes, but yes Yeah, to the point that she chastises hawkman who like again jump of the gun hawkman is like super paragon Uh, he doesn't kill people He's like pretty quintessential hero guy and she often chastises him about how black adam's We are jumping too far ahead Well, I cut this off. We haven't gotten just sighted at all. So boo We haven't but it's just once once she mentioned that it's like, yeah that she wouldn't even consider using the crown It's like that's interesting considering how she I'd say even more layers of weird because this has nothing to do with kandak situation This is just another thing. She's up to she just wants to make sure no one can find this crown because it's powerful That's got nothing to do with her goals politically It just so happens that this facilitates something for her. Uh, it's very strange when you zoom out and you know how the whole film goes This is just a side quest. She's got going about the crown A side quest that ends up becoming the main quest. Oh for sure. Yeah So she she's walking through and she she's finds some stuff to read and and she just Picks a random thing and just starts reading. She says men were given the gift of magic But their hearts were too easily corrupted The ultimate power was banished from the earth and hidden until now Men they've had magic beforehand. Fuck off. I mean, I was gonna say like Men were given the gift of magic. Is she referring to Eternium? Uh, maybe is she talking about the wizards the shazam wizards. That's so this is my issue like Is Eternium magic and if yes, then Uh, it's only in conduct, but then that discounts all the other magical creatures that exist in the dcu already And if it is known that Eternium is magic, why aren't the justice league? Why aren't they? Like or the justice society Everybody the rest of the world is a wall are obsessed with Eternium. That shit is amazing. Yeah And she likes I mean and remember like the enchantress that was like hyper magic, right? Yeah in the first Like yeah, just just trying to Lay out some form of a timeline here. Like it's been Eternium is amazing and it's been around forever And no one gives a shit Even though You can make flying motorcycles that can like teleport in super speed across the planet to china Yeah In in uh in marvel like at the very least vibranium was like an element that was acknowledged pretty early on Of course, there's still plenty of problems with yeah, this is interesting Wakanda and everything But like at the very least it was at least unnamed elements that was like relevant to the story before The doors got sort of blown open with uh black panther like with introducing that here It's just come out of nowhere. It's it's totally new So anyway, you know lady guy one and guy two guy two goes missing guy one's like i'm gonna go find him and then guy two comes back And guy one's missing now and it's like wait what happened to guy one And then we see the guy one was thrown off something and he lands and he's like bleh and nearly dead and it's like Oh, no, and then when she asked guy two what happened to guy one. He's like he went to get some fresh air Like oh you killed him. I guess it's the implication. So guy two is actually bad guy Yeah And guy one is now dead is and all we got left. There's also chungus guy in car. He's he's also there. He's uncle chungus Oh, i like uncle chungus. I i he is henceforth uncle chungus I'm okay with that. Yeah, uh, so and with that i i approve so then um There are uh, she finds crown the crown is just it's just this room and there's two rocks and the crown is between them floating And it's kind of like oh Okay, that's there. There it is um Uh, they're they're reading some stuff around the area and she spots something that says speak not his power So he may suffer a dreamless sleep for all eternity Now before you say anything I just want to read that again speak not his power. So he may suffer a dreamless sleep for all eternity Without any context. What would you conclude from that if you were reading it? And that's just death, isn't it like Uh, he's either dead or equivalent of dead, but he can be revived if you speak his power Yeah, so actually what I was aiming for was just oh man But whoever wrote this Once this other person to suffer The word suffer is in there And then suffer which is odd considering what we later discover about who arranged this Well, that's not where I was going with that actually. So she says I think suffer is I think suffer also will mean allow, right? Oh um So he may suffer a dreamless sleep for all eternity So to it like to allow or to permit something. I know what you're you're saying but I do not suffer I do not suffer a witch to live do not allow a witch to live or permit a witch to live Suffer also means those things so it gets a bit of a pass if I I think it technically gets one But suffer is strong language So well, so we have the context to know that the person who inscribed that legit wants him to suffer Because they think of him as like an awful awful person, right? Um Kind of but a dreamless sleep is essentially putting someone on pause. So that's not suffering And if they wanted to torture wouldn't be dependent on the wizards definition of that Uh, I suppose technically but that would be a bizarre form of torture to literally make it to where they're not feeling anything or even Even are in a state of really knowing that they even exist Like anesthesia But like I I guess so but I don't yeah It could be but I don't think it's just keep in mind vengeful wizard man put him here and Wants him to stay here and the message is what i'm trying to really get at is that message sounds like a deterrent of sorts slash a warning slash a Explanation of there's a person here and they should be here I mean the the command is speak not his power Like the and then so that he may suffer a dreamless sleep for all eternity The fact that that's a condition at all that he has a release condition Yeah, instead of we'll be the ones to decide when he Has been on pause for long enough. We had in any case Telling somebody who shows up. Hey, here's how you sort of wake him up Sure would be a shame if you spoke his power and woke him up. That would be bad If you did that I guess maybe they wrote it as a reminder for themselves I swear to god How do we get him out? I might actually make my first ruling for a band that goes beyond spam Anyone who says move on I fucking ban you We're having a chat right now. Shut the fuck up for the reason why I'm breaking this all up And i'm interested in what everyone has to say there is because the thing that she says immediately after reading this is Wow, so kandak really did have a hero I think that is absolutely bizarre that she says that's a stretch It's not even is it a stretch when it's literally not at all connected Yeah, it's like wow. I was I was being I was being a little bit Um No, it was a genuine question because I I went to say stretch too But then I was like wait extreme stretch Like you would have to like if you if she came up to me and said oh this means if we're there and she reads that inscription and says Rags who because you're you're with me here. We're buds. I this means do not so yeah, that's that's that That means that was kandaks hero. I'm like first off You have a fucked up version of what hero is I guess she actually does but also um Like what what makes you think that this isn't some evil terrible demon imprisoned here Someone might try and I'll do he's aware of some of the kandak law or whatever and that there was an ancient hero or whatever But like why would you conclude that the hero? Is is here and that it says speak not his power so you may suffer a dreamless sleep for all eternity that just to me I'm just like that Especially this is where the crown was the crown Yeah, this could be the king It could be the entity itself the evil entity is locked here. Yeah So, yeah, I thought it was really strange I It's funny because yeah, we all said it's a stretch, but really it's like a total non sequitur. Yes, like it's it's totally unrelated I Another thing that's odd about it to me is that she's surprised the fact that they had a hero is real Even though it's a legend that she's clearly aware of and there's a statue based after him But like I guess hypothetically she didn't know if that was real or just a myth But she's not surprised at all that the crown is real and just floating here. Yeah That's a good point That's not that weird, but oh my god. They did have a hero. Oh my gosh The reason I guess she says it isn't because she was prompted by that line It's so that he can say the line in response, which is um, if he's a hero then why why did they bury him here? You know because he's not like other heroes Exactly because the film tries to play for a little bit with the idea that he's the hero that everyone foretold He's the but he keeps you know every time that's brought up. He's like, hmm Yeah, it's a fair question to ask if he's a hero. How come he's how come he's buried here? I think there are plenty of reasons one could have buried him there as an actual hero I think it's weird. I think so too after the message is read Yeah, um, and yeah, it's just a prompt him to say that to make us go. Oh, look They're saying you're grandpa superman This is this is black adam. He'll fuck you up. So she grabs the crown You'll murder on the whim of a child Look at them But then mercenaries arrive. Oh, no, they're all here and they've got a Uncle chongus is a brother. So they're like, we're gonna shoot him unless you Give up the crown five four three two one and then she goes wait And then she she gives the crown and I did think it was it got a smirk out of me that he was like You let them get to one Because I agree with him I would be like if you're gonna give it up Why the hell did you cut off at one? Jesus he's gonna do that He's gonna do that dick thing that villains do where before they get to the end of the countdown they shoot anyway um I just I I think it's more common that they actually do countdown, but then they don't shoot at one They they for some reason they say one and wait Yeah, well because you have to get from one to zero because the countdown ends at zero So there's you got to cross from you got to get to the one and then you got to be surprised How many villains don't follow that rule there are some out there? You're wrong. You're wrong. You don't you don't have to say zero the shot is the zero Yeah, the shot is the zero, but they're counting down in between the one and the zero But not not they're not saying point seven point six point five. Yeah, it's It's implied by the pause between one and the gunshot. I need to make a school for villains. Yes I need to start a I need this Like a a doctor professor rags's College for the nefariously inclined or something like that Oh, well, it's tell them how to be generally nefarious interesting You bring up villains doing doing silly villain things because They've won now. They've got the crown. They've got the girl They've got everything they want and they're gonna execute them too because fuck it whatever And they they drop it down on your knees and they're about and they say any last words And unfortunately for the the villains. She's standing right on Black atoms little just little thing It'll be like Introduction course. This is why in in professor rags is cool for the nefariously inclined One of the first lessons is you don't give the heroes last words or complicated debt You just fucking plug them. Just take the gun and shoot him in the fucking head It's we're not here for ceremony. Okay, you can do that when you take over the world I mean, it's it's it almost feels like an ancient reference, but I just can't resist like you guys see Austin Powers, right I actually have not that's gonna be an e-found movies one day because I fucking adore those movies, but Dr. Evil is like put them into the chamber and then he's like, why don't you just shoot them? Why don't you just shoot them right now? I have a gun. Why don't you just shoot them? But he's just like no that that doesn't make any why would I shoot? No, I'm gonna put them in a elaborate Trap that involves mutated ill-tempered seabass And like that's going on then the doors start to close because you're not you're not going to watch You're not going to make sure that they died. He says no, I'm going to assume it all worked out Why would I assume it goes wrong? That is a fucking ancient movie that makes fun of tropes and movies and it's no less relevant today. It's fucking great But yeah, oh, yeah, that's where you school Um, that's good shit. We'll watch them. No worries. E-found movies I said Cad Bane should take villain advice from rags. Cad Bane So fucking fast. He would like all of the empire. I need to have a big just a big online Class so that all of them can tune in like all right first first rule before you do any villainy basic marksmanship Uh So, yeah, she she looks down and she just reads it and it says mightiest of mortals gods of god of god six Immortal elders by name shazam And then he gets woken up So if they just shot her or if they dropped it to a different area Then there'd be no movie or if they just turned her the other way and he was between it's Uh, it's just the Yeah, it sucks. All right. Well, it sucks. It's so shit and lazy and I hate big old lightning bolt The rock is here. Look at him go. Wow. Oh my goodness And then uh, some guy goes what was that and then evil guy says you wouldn't believe me if I told you And so I was like, wait, wait, wait But he knows what this is. He knows about the shazam stuff and he knows What does he know And why wouldn't he have desperately wanted to prevent He would he if he knew about it. He would absolutely want nobody reading anything in that fucking place to to make sure they don't wear I actually have no clue what is gained by having him say I like he recognizes it I know that he's aware of like the his his bloodlines history, but I still think even in this moment. He should be like, what the fuck But I guess yeah, he's already clued on to exactly who that is and uh, I don't know. I just thought maybe the He's taken it real well, I guess um Then they put a gun to the rock and they're like you you big old you you're a bad and then he kills them all. Um He instantly kills everyone, which is like the first guy. I'm like, I don't why did you actually kill him? I don't know. It's it's it's kind of I guess he's just he why are you this you you wake up from this slumber Then you have just some guy Pointing this weird object at you have no idea what it is, of course because you are you have this ancient That this this dumb ass and so you have no idea what it is And you just instantly grab the guy and fry him in your hands. It's like what why did you do that? Why actually Even even by the time I finished the movie What did he know about that scenario when he was spawned there? Did you know anything or was it all I think I think it's fuck all right He and some guy points a gun at him, which he apparently recognizes as lethal, but lethal not to him. It wouldn't do anything to him Also, yeah, also, it's it's not I mean like you can't win because either you shouldn't recognize it But even if you do you should already know it won't do anything to you. So Yeah, he vaporizes him and it's just kind of like okay, um It kind of gave me shang sung vibes where like an ancient magical entity comes out of hibernation and Would like suck the life force out of the nearest living thing except for the fact that this is not how the shazam powers work So I've got no fucking clue why you decided to shang sung that guy when it doesn't actually benefit you And anyway, it seems like the writers were aware of that trope and knew that you know Oh when magical people who are bad come out they tend to kill the first thing That's near them not realizing that when that trope is employed normally It's because that's part of their power set rather than it just being like a little but god. He's so evil He just melted that man. Oh my god. He instantly killed someone. But yeah, but uh, the why though And again, you get the whole vibe of like I get it. He's not like Yeah, he's sure is bad. He's what he'll kill people. Here he goes Why wouldn't he assume that they are the ones that awoke him? I don't know that he's very I don't know even when they're shooting their guns at him And it's just bouncing off and having like zero effect. You'd think It wouldn't it be more fun for him to be like what Just like he has no like he doesn't he has any concept for this is like you're showering me with pieces of Hard stuff that I don't know what is this like is this worship? I don't what is happening He's not very inquisitive. I would say Well, he just the way they do is he seems to understand he says like immediately your magic is weak And it's like well, why would you interpret it as damage if if it does zero damage instead of anything? I don't know Fine, I guess He's just clicking on real fast He knows what's going on. I guess he knows that that was supposed to kill him, but didn't somehow Sure, well, and then then a rock nearly falls on the lady and he saves her as well and it's like so He's managed to discern a difference between this group of people as well Well, yeah, he looked at their skin color. Oh Because they were all like british as well. Those may have seen me, aren't they? For being someone who lived he must if this is before the pyramids he must be God like one two three Five thousand years old or something crazy like that. He's extremely accepting of different cultures and races He also I guess that gives him an excuse to not say the n-word though Because that's what you really want to do if you want to show that your character is edgy have him say the n-word and then I'll I'll believe you But rags, how would he know what the n-word is? That's what I'm saying. He gets a pass He gets the n-word But his n-word past is that he's excused for not saying it It's it's not that he was allowed to black out him. You see he breaks all the rules Um, so then they're like send everything back up wise Okay, and then black out and just sort of walks out of the mountain Did you oh, did you say um if that one soldier knew who this was why did they even bother trying to Oh, well, I I mean I can understand a panicked guy Who doesn't know what's going on calling in back up, I guess But like the main leader man. Yeah, he should probably be like everyone stop This this person is literally like superman. There's no point But he didn't say anything so I don't know Uh, maybe you're still trying to come across as not evil so he couldn't give orders Even though he gives that up pretty quick. So um So they send rockets soldiers tanks helicopters everything to attack him and he just kills all of it The painted black and I thought it was cringe That there's big old All of his fights You guys You may see clips of the online where he does the little clap And it blows everything up people making fun of that. It looks pretty dumb Yeah It's just I know that the he's invincible. There's nothing they could do He could effortlessly kill all of them and I just I'm like, oh, I kind of feel bad for all these soldier guys Like I'm not convinced that they're bad They're just like I don't even it's kind of And he's just just wiping them out. I'm like, oh man these poor guys But oh boy, I agree with that. Fuck those guys. They're they're attacking everybody. They they oh, yeah They did this is after they yeah, this is after they shot the people and He does his little he floats out and then they fire rockets and machine guns and stuff. I don't know. I guess Yeah, I guess they sort. Yeah, I guess, you know, they could yeah So it's boring either way. It was uninteresting. I know that scene was supposed to show how incredibly cool He is but it's just Part of what makes it goofy I found was his expressions throughout the whole scene They're like he was kind of like confused. Yeah, he looks confused curious sometimes He kind of knows exactly what to do with rockets and stuff exactly totally I don't get the sense at all And that's kind of confusing with the like isn't this badass with a guy who's like, huh? Okay, oh, we'll put this here. Hmm. What? Oh, there they go. Haha. You're dead And then just oh, sorry, he never moves this fast again in the movie No, well, I think he I think he does I think he does Uh a couple of times there are times where he should have and doesn't we'll get to them as well. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah That's that's probably more apt um I'm fucking exhausted of hearing paint it black in media. Uh, I feel bad because I like this on a lot, but It is our views. Yep. Not only that, but they kind of they they butcher the song in the actual edit Oh, yeah, they mix it down into whole sections. Yeah, you can tell they want to get to the Pots of the song They don't care about how it like because they start it up Which everyone likes to start and then they just skip immediately to like the explosion Matches like yeah, yeah, whatever uh Oh, yeah Because it's just like oh paint it black get it black at him paint it black Uh, uh, and I'm just like it's suicide again. Yeah Like black ops the series has used a lot of songs That just have the word black in them because it's like I see black ops Because I'm pretty sure they use this for one of the trailers this song. That's like I see. Yeah black ops I know I kind of like it. I don't like it here Westwild was recently cancelled season one had a cover of paint it black It was like piano. I liked that. That was nice. That's pretty cool It's a make it's a really good end credits song to full metal jacket. That's probably the best use of it in the movie as far as I'm concerned Great. Oh, that must have a really long wikipedia list, right? Like Sometimes it's been fucking used Anyway, uh, he walks up to our Uncle Chungus and lady who are in van and have crown and uh, they start winding up their windows. I think that's in the trailer um This is kind of a fun joke Yeah, that was uh, there there's there's a number of mildly amusing things in this movie Like they'll get us they'll make you go. Hmm. They like smile a little bit, but Yeah, and then Uncle Chungus is like look out and uh guy fires a rocket with the tourney and flames in it And it actually fucks black Adam up And the first thought everyone has is Okay, why didn't you open with it? That was that that was what I said when we watched it. I was like, oh, yeah, you should have you should have started with this So what you should have begun the engagement with Especially if you knew that this was what you're gonna be potentially fighting I think why didn't you open with that? Is one of the most common there's there's like an umbrella like floor for movies or just writing Why didn't you open with that every fucking time? Because because the fight scenes got to start out in a particular way and end in a particular way That's why you're like, okay You can do it a desperation is a common way to do it. Um, but these guys start out It's it's your rocket. It's super bad. He's annihilated everybody. You're gonna want to fucking use it He destroyed two helicopters. Those those things are fucking insanely expensive to when he's eating the normal rocket Yeah, that's like you want to go one more thing to even try Yeah, all right, anyway, uh So But then we get another Moment of rise you really need to open this school for villains. Okay He's uh, we have our like I think it's the one of the british guys. He's like, I'm dying. Oh, and then Um, uh evil man who was a good man. He walks up to him and he's like, I told you to make it look real Not to actually hit me and then shoots him and kills him So like He's literally killing his own man because he made it look too real What a dick. It's just like I'm just like Why why would anyone ever work for you? Just in case you're under any illusions that he wasn't evil It's such a trope. It's not even though That's the thing. They want you to come away from the game like oh how evil but I just come away thinking like, oh, he's an idiot You just you're just a dumbass and you're gonna get stabbed in the back any day by people who don't want to put up with your shit Oh So, you know, I'll say who's way better I there are multiple one of the things that's I guess start talking about it But one of the things I really like about Casablanca is how there are antagonistic characters that are very interesting and who that you that you like to see that have good dialogue and behave intelligently People who are not good But you know that you were like, oh Watch him and it's like, oh man. They knew how to write Literally as world war two is happening. They were writing these characters and here we are like no I just have him shoot the guy to show he's evil. That's that's that's concise That'll save us time and talent with writing It was time to meet the justice society You know, you can be evil and like still value your men as like resources that you can use exactly. Yeah Um, we see waller. She's shown up again. She seems to be one of the unifying elements that This is an actual connected series of movies Amazing she's in that soft um She says like just society go take down black adam and it's such a like it's whiplash enough for someone like me But anybody who's like the average person it's like justice. Is that is that the The one is that a thing the batman is Is Yeah, what's going on here? Yeah, I It was so disorienting for me that I was like, wait, was the justice league marvel. Like I We have the justice. Yeah, because you think that they wouldn't have the justice league and the justice society because that would be a funny meme Right, they wouldn't actually do that That would be crazy But yeah, they you see and they do it how it's meant to work Right as I think meme kind of alluded to it earlier But they they do it in such a way that's like you've had their movies already and it's like but I haven't I haven't had their movie. I don't this is You know like when guardians get like we know them Yeah, the guardians when they show up in infinity wall, it's kind of the same treatment But like yeah, there's there's like movies for them You can watch uh and that you would have there's an implication that you probably should check them out before seeing infinity walk It's a big ensemble movie, but yeah with this one It's just like so who's in the team and he starts like Labeling them as if there's not a set team I guess these just you just pick whoever you want To to assemble it for whatever job you've got at the time um And they're going after someone who they from the limited information they have is basically superman and they're taking um Well, I guess we can go through them one by one, right? So the first person is cyclone Um, and he lists her as like she's got wind manipulation and she's really smart Yeah So that's probably not worthwhile. Um, maybe keep her on the ship But manipulating wind that's really not gonna do much against superman We're gonna need something Different. Yeah, you don't want to get her killed because yeah, and then you're like, okay number two Uh adam's masher. He can grow really big Like yeah, again superman we're gonna annihilate him though I guess that makes him super resilient, but I guess not because he gets punched out and he gets knocked out Yeah, he gets punched out and And then she she who responses they they seem green, you know, what else have you got and and I was just kind of like Oh, yeah, just fyi. This is the first time they've been on a mission both of them They find superman equivalent. This is a trial by fire organization. I don't Remotely understand this It doesn't seem like it is an organization. I don't know how they're called to society There seem like they throw people together Kind of yeah, like what was so if they didn't have these two joining recently Then is it just two of them? They've just made the yeah hawk man and dr. Fight We live in a society Yeah, it's like a justice craigslist ad it's a buddy cap But that's that's like a help wanted that's when this part gets funny, right? She's like, you know, do you have anyone else? He's like, oh, yeah, I got dr. Fate who has basically god powers and I was like That's the guy you need Promising start And then they don't they don't give you a rundown of hawk man's powers because he's he's like the leader, I guess And it would be they couldn't find a way to Get that in without they'll do they'll just show you it Um, well, I suppose we can talk about that a little bit later But yeah, you see pierce brosnan and he's got his little helmet and he touches it and then he sees a bunch of visions Like do do do do explosion and hawk man yelling um Yeah, the implication of course he sees Things through his helmet we get more information on that I don't want to give any more than the film does so that we can sort of take it for what it is He's a comic guy. They're all comic peeps But uh, depending on execution, you know, I've heard different things. Um So yeah, they say we're heading to kandak to apprehend and contain a class a rogue metahuman Um, I guess That that would mean more if It was this was like a thing that had happened before and stuff But it's whatever it's just dialogue we're gonna get to kind of move us through because Yeah, we're trying to run a suicide squad movie kind of at the same time as a origin movie um Because it kind of feels all right with wallo being in charge of it too Which I strikes me as really odd considering that hawk man is like you're super like altruistic Paragon and wallo like killed a bunch of our own people. Remember Yeah, remember she's a terrible horrible murderer She wanted to let she wanted this uh, these suicide squad to abandon that country To be destroyed by staro. Why she why are they trying to make her like nick fury? I honestly thought it was because Because they asked her and she agreed and they were like sweet. We can bind the films a bit better if you come in But the thing is like nick fury is obviously to some level duplicitous, but like waller is pretty callous. He's a horrible person Why would you be why would she be like why would the justice society led by a very altruistic hawk man? Why would he cooperate with her at all? Why he surely he wouldn't she kills her own people Yeah, like he doesn't because I mean whichever the gun he doesn't like black adam Why would he like her when she's when she's killed in her own people doing all these crazy evil things And waller if you have the jsa on tap, why did you need to form the first suicide squad? When that was to take I can explain that This this happened after that, but it's also been around for ages So, yeah, hawk man probably could have done some good there I mean he would have been more powerful than any of the people that that more than harley fucking quinn No, the baseball bat was crucial I'll be it. I'm very glad there was no one that useless on this team. We'll say that You know when manipulation is not the greatest thing ever, but It's alright. Yeah, there's a lot you can do with it. They don't really genuinely have no idea if this is all sarcasm or not I can't tell No, I'm serious actually Okay, I don't I don't think anyone in this group is as useless as some of the people I will absolutely concede no one's as useless as harley quinn even though she's the one that cuts enchanters his heart out Oh fuck sake What a crazy fucking adventure the dcu is you know, yeah, I mean, yeah It's it's like it tried to find itself along the way and never did I never will and I genuinely I genuinely can't tell how much this movie is trying to Reset things for a new way of going about it or whether it's just more of the same It's uh, it's very confusing. Um, this feels like a I think it's just more it feels like it's more the same but slightly better than some of the other stuff But I guess at the end we'll get to where we would put in our ranking Well, they're on there the little x-men ship They're like the ship is made entirely from nth metal making it entirely indestructible Down to the screws and I was just like, okay Whatever fine nth metal. It's a thing made in tie. It's a the plane is made of the n-word. It's indestructible After everything else they've introduced it's like nth metal is indestructible, but you guys have you made weapons out of that? I don't know whatever better or worse than a turnium. I don't know Whatever can you make a plane out of a turnium? Do you know when people say when you bring this shit up their first response is like well actually it's from the comics It's like I know I know all this shit is probably from the comics, but they contextualize zero of it They're just like yeah nth metal. What it's a world-building spam It is pure world-building spam that is not given any larger Context or meaning I mean the fucking jsa has meant to root itself in world war two and shit They're not doing that here. They just so like hey guys another super powered team that has justice in the day Hey, here's all these guys. We've never heard of before you. Let's go Try to just sleep a couple times didn't work out. Okay, so try to adjust society now See if that goes to see if that sticks Um, so yeah, then they're gonna try they're gonna try the justice union next they try and Try and do some quick so you have Adam masher and and cyclone see each other and And she's like oh, he says what do you do and she goes wind you and he goes I grow it goes cool And I was just like neither of those answers would be satisfying at all wind What the fuck does that mean and then I grow turn into wind. What do you mean you grow? The atomic farts. What are you talking about here? He's a grower and not a shower. Okay. You you want it they want it to be like Um, oh Fuck him. I want to I want to say what is like the movie that there's another movie. It could be Marvel to do that. Um We like heroes For a second there, I thought I was thinking of like what's your power. I'm rich. Is that what you're thinking of? I don't think it was that I could have sworn it's a model one I'll keep an eye on chat to see if they have but I could have sworn there was like a I'm also thinking of no way home where they say like I fell into a thing and became a thing And it's like I fell into a different thing and became a thing and it's like wow don't fall into stuff, huh? Just like that that kind of conversation. It feels like they're trying to do it here Oh an avengers. Yeah, this is uh, he's fast. She's weird So Anyway, yeah, I just I was just like, oh, they tried but like that conversation would go that way at all What do you say I do I I wind that's my thing like, okay That's your fetish. I like that. He has to eat a lot and he's hungry asking where the snacks are You like you like I like I like flash I like the idea that he has to eat a lot However, I don't like the fact that if that's his like a requirement for him to keep his energy up And he asks if there are snacks on the plane going to the mission He like it's I I need snacks on this plane He's probably great son You're right. Well, because yeah, it's set up and paid off. It's uh, it's a quick joke He he wants food. He likes food and then later on He's got like a bucket of chicken and dr. Fate zaps it out of existence like oh you with your food It's like he probably should eat the chicken. That's that's the thing, right? Because he's like, well, wait, does he need it? Um, I think there'd be like a compartment on his costume that was like Oh, here's like a especially made protein bar that has all the all the things you need going into battle Uh, we go back to the rock he wakes up and zaps Like burns the head off a picture of superman, which feels Pretty deliberate. Uh, I'm not exactly sure what's going on. You know um Good to be honest with you even with everything that's happened in the dcu I would still rather see henry cavill superman show up than black adam again Just say absolutely easily Um, and then he heals himself He's got a little little mark from the ittonian blasts and he just he heals it in this exact same way That iron man heals himself at the end of infinity war if you remember Where it's like he's almost like the same area too Um, not that he shoots lightning at himself and heals himself with his lightning Which just add it to the fucking list of powers he has Yeah, I have a power to heal myself do all this shit Um, it's like they wanted they wanted it to be crypt taught like a kryptonite for him But also he can just heal his own ones from it easily. So, okay Yes, okay, sure So, um, he looks in the mirror He's like whoa, and then the kid is like, did you really not have mirrors back then? I guess a lot does change in 5 000 years And um, it was weird because When you know the full context of the movie It's fair to assume Uh, adam adam black adam, whatever you never would have seen himself that way because I've seen you ever seen a reflection in the mirror Oh wait, so I'm getting there I'm getting there so like He would have been black adam so to speak for very little amount of time before going into prison Yeah, maybe like a day So you may not have seen any reflections of it, right? The thing is I'm not sure sometimes with this movie because the dialogue is not so great where it's like Wait, did they think there were no reflections 5 000 years ago? Or are they just trying to make the kid Say that because he's he doesn't understand what's meaningful that's happening here I assume I don't know. I don't know if I'd give him that much credit. That's what I mean I can't tell we we've said this before when you can interpret dialogue when something's really well written We're like, oh, that's deliberate. I'm sure of it But when you deal with something that's this flimpy, you're like, uh That's probably an accident Well, and that's the awkward thing I feel like when the riot wrote that someone might have been like, you know that There's many ways to have reflections, right? And they might be like, oh, fuck. Yeah, right. Sorry. Yeah, and they scribble it out and you're like, oh, god Um, then he's like my home is gone because he looks outside and it's all different Um, yeah, and then let me cut over to the Um, yeah, and then let me cut over to the the the other room because he's currently in the in the lady's house Sleeping, um And she and uncle chungus are just sort of doing some stuff and she's looking for the crown She's like, oh god, where is it and she looks over at him and uncle man is wearing it And I legit was for like wait, I thought that was like the so he's invincible now, right? Yeah And then she says, you know, it's cursed by demons, right? And then I was like Why did nobody say anything about the nature of wearing the ancient evil demon crown? Why the fuck would you casually put that on? It doesn't the the villain in the end just put it on he doesn't do anything special You have to not only yeah, you have to die to you know, so Okay, never mind never mind I just it's still worth highlighting that any normal person will probably be like I'm probably not knowing everything I know about this crown probably not gonna put it on probably not. Yeah Um, but then then and this is the thing when people said they got some smirks out of this movie I think I had a decent tally. I'm gonna I'm gonna keep trying to point them out But she she's reading the crown. She says the only path to death is life And then it just pans over to uncle chungus and he goes no shit. I thought that was funny. Yeah This would be my first reaction. It's rare that isn't all the wisdom of the age Yeah, that's right. It's rare that you'll read something that does Kind of sound like it would maybe come off a transcribed thing and then just be like, yeah, obviously Like who wrote that fucking idiot? That's ancient kandakian wisdom Like yeah, sure Um, aristostanese who would calculate the size of the earth within 10 accuracy thousands and thousands of years ago That's fine. It's not very impressive. Have you heard of the old kandakian? Uh parable or the old saying that you know You need to Live to die Ah That's a makes you it makes you think that's what I'll say it makes you it's a movie for thinking people This is this is the movie for thinking people like rings of power. It's the chauffeur No Kid says kandak needs a hero the justice league don't do shit and then he's like i'm no hero And then he's like, but you're our only hope and then he just walks off and Bursts through the the wall it's just I don't even know what you're supposed to conclude from that Because um, he's rude Not to always suck the dick of civil war But when you have vision walking through the wall and they're like Dude, you know, you're not supposed to do that bad custom knock on the door. He goes. Yeah. Well, the door was open So I figured Okay, anyway, it's just just like that's a fun little thing that he has already been told to Not come through the walls just because he can it's rude But that he would be like if the door's open and surely I can walk through the walls Like it's just like an old okay with black adam. It's like why did you do that? Why did you just destroy everything? Why wouldn't he do it by going outside? Why would he go to a different room? You know And if he's gonna go to different room, why not just use a fucking door Well, and he doesn't just do that. He he also starts pushing the table along with his style Like he's a fucking video game character That's pretty he spent the vast majority of his life Like the vast vast vast majority of his life as a regular dude who had to go through doors and couldn't walk through walls Exactly, but he was superhero for one well super power for one day and now he just doesn't understand Wait, this is a solid matter before me. I can't put why were you right? They treat it like he's an alien like he doesn't understand how walls work. Is this a door I see before me Actually, he's he's a human being like he lived essentially. Yeah, I remember but he's a human being I think that's a big failing in this movie is black adam is this guy from 5000 years ago But he'd never in virtually no way does he play that part because it's the rock and he's playing the rock He's not playing some person who's you know out of time who doesn't Doesn't speak the language doesn't know the customs is You know bigoted in his own ways because he's from a different time and who He thinks certain ways who thinks that everything is magic and this has to come to grasp with all of you know the stuff around him It's a huge missed opportunity That just it never happened. We never got that Yes, when he was just some guy Quick question before we move on. Um, I just want to go back to the kid Talking about how the justice league or the justice society. I can't remember which like Both they don't do shit. They don't help the people here and it's like but he has all their merch and he's super into superheroes But he feels abandoned by them. It's like Doesn't feel quite right does it No, it doesn't especially how like annoyingly political this kid is. Yeah, I don't think he would like them Yeah, you know what would have happened is the mum would have shot on them all the time And he would have been completely convinced that they're not actually good people that they just do it for the fame They do it for where it's convenient for them He wouldn't be worse. They really want him to be a kid who's into superheroes. Yeah, they needed that for many reasons Many stupid reasons So when he walks in to the next room He sees Clint Eastwood doing cowboy stuff And he's he watches it for literally like a couple of seconds And then he like draws his pistol arrow and So then he zaps the tv And I I'm I'm so lost because I'm like why would he understand anything about any of that Wouldn't he just be like what is that? Like it's Looks like a guy, but it's on like a screen or well, he wouldn't even you know I mean they completely skip all of it. He's just like zap And then I think he says like the wizards or something. He assumes It's just like yes, what are we doing? There was a little tiny wizard in that box and he was gonna shoot me so I had to destroy him And like could Adam have a disability before he became like that? And you got to keep that in mind right because they're gonna they're gonna pay it off Soon enough and it's gonna be so great when they pay it off with him seeing that little thing on the tv. Oh good Um, so then yeah, then they start having a chat and he's like those men in the tomb. They were your enemies He goes yes, and he goes then your enemies are vanquished condemned to the eternal sleep of the damned like what the What is this? Isn't he supposed to be a normal guy? He's alien This is approachable edginess This is how you can be brooding and slightly edgy without being really any of those things I was legit starting to get confused because I was I was like he really doesn't feel like he's from earth Like that's the idea. No But uh, okay And then the kids it's like we still have loads of enemies And they have all kinds of amazing weapons with a turnium while we we just have my mom And then like I think the movie thought that was very funny. I I thought it was fine No weird It is weird that your resistance movement is just your mom Yeah, she's doing it. She's doing her best. All right. Yeah Um, and then they have what they thought was very very funny I'm curious what you guys think or he's like, uh, she says I don't want you teaching my son violence And he's like, of course, you want his father to teach him violence? And then they're like the uncle is the father and he's like, no, whoa those girls. No, I was He's like, so who do you want him to teach violence? And then he's like, yeah, mom, who do you want me to teach me violence? And then she says nobody I want a champion to free us So like, uh, I think they thought that was funny the whole teach me violence thing But then he gets really confusing at the end because she's like, I don't want any violence I just want you to free us from our oppressors like, uh-huh using With an excellent we're gonna teach you to be a very strong debater. You're gonna be You're gonna be the daughter of debating if you will. Yes But like I was I was a little confused because I was like, I mean this lady is surely You know mature enough to know that you're gonna need some violence to do this Yeah, she didn't seem too broken up about any of the people he killed already But simultaneously she'll argue that we don't need to do it with violence or something. It's like Okay Strange to you The only thing I liked about that little exchange was the like, oh, oh, no, I understand you want his father to teach him violence That was kind of funny. That felt like something maybe a person from a long time ago would say Like, oh, I understand you don't want to be the one to do his father Yeah, because you're the woman his it's his father's, you know, duty to misogyny That's about To like an old-fashioned worldview out of this character Um That scene it was I think that was like one of the moments where I was just like, what is the fucking dialogue in this film? What's really what? I don't think it's consistent because I like some of the lines and I don't like some of the lines and some of the lines I'm like, what the fuck is that even doing there? Like it's a weird collection to me Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm, which is usually like a bad result overall, of course, but I still want to try and complement where I can Um, yeah So he leaves because he's like I'm I'm not doing this and the kid is like, but wait and and they show that the kid Catches up to him by going through like a secret exit in his room So they're in like an apartment building and the kid has a little like Thing that he can climb into like a shelf But it's a fake shelf that hides essentially it's like a laundry shoot or something that he Jumped into the vents and then he can get out into the Little main area through it. It's like, I guess it's not a bad I think a thing to have in case something really bad happened to you. I guess it's just kind of strange. Um Yeah, he's he's like come on be a hero. Also, you should have a catchphrase Because you should you should say tell the man in black sent you when you kill people It would be really cool and they says I don't waste words on the dead which is probably Exactly how he should have felt throughout the whole movie actually that that line But he changes the mind of that. No, and it's dumb It would be very strange if he like on a whim Decided all of a sudden that that catchphrase was really cool Like that would be a very strange thing to happen. I think it would be it's a good thing The thumb doesn't do that, right? No, and then there's a line from the kid that I was genuinely like what the fuck um Adam's like kind of looking out the window then he goes everyone you've ever known is dead. What else are you gonna do? I was just like what what? You really resort to that you're like, well, you know if you really don't believe in the cause you don't care about us You don't want a free condom. Can you at least agree that this is something for you to do? Okay, no I mean that that argument is pretty much good for anything. It's like I may as well just take over condom There's something to do Yeah, so I don't know it was weird then he just smashes through the wall and starts heading toward a statue um Cut back to the justice society and uh Pierce Brosnan, it's like wallers file leaves a lot to be desired a day ago. This guy was just a myth And uh, hawkman is like he's a bad man kent. What more do you need to know? Which is really not reassuring to hear by the way, uh from the justice society. I was like wow guys That's uh That's not a good start Do you think maybe wallers not telling us everything? I don't know. She seems pretty trustworthy. Yeah, I've only known her to be trustworthy. There's no yeah Yeah, um, and then uh kent says Yeah, when you've seen as many futures as I have you cease to believe in absolutes I was like, well, you're even you haven't got anything You've got the this is a guy from 5 000 years ago that's been reawakened and is like like a nuke waiting to happen so That's it What do you even make of that? You don't even know anything and uh the information they have is that he destroyed The city so that's what they're working with but it's like well, you're gonna probably gonna need to talk to him, I guess We'll talk more about that soon uh Yeah, he says I missed having you around to spout cryptic shit like that, uh Which I'm not actually clear exactly on what he thought was cryptic Yeah, not on when you've seen as many futures as I have you cease to believe in absolutes And if he's describing that as cryptic, I feel like that's not very cryptic Yeah, just be like yeah a lot of stuff happens a lot of stuff changes You know I could go even more granular if you need it understood Uh Yeah, and then he says I've missed having you around to ignore all my advice the bad plan There's better a bad plan than no plan And uh right I think you pause on that because yeah, I think that's worth pausing on it's like better a bad plan than no plan Is that I mean we should just charge straight at the enemy across this empty field with no cover when they have machine gun in placements And we have no armor. Well, I don't mean a bad plan is better. No plan. Yeah Better than just not doing that. Well, because the problem is the You know, let's say I do have a selection of weapons that I can attack a bear with because he's coming Right at me Is a bad plan picking like the shitty weapon And then no plan is just standing there Is that is that how that would sort of shake out in which case? I guess the bad plan is better But then a bad plan could be that I grab a weapon and shoot myself in the face And the no plan that's a bad plan And that's for me bad plan Yeah Oh, I don't know. Yeah as lines go that was just like a bad plan, but I don't know man All right, you didn't think about that very hard when you wrote it, did you it doesn't yeah, um And then uh piece bronzes like perhaps we could have a third option if only if only they were one um, and then we see cyclone and adam smash are hanging out again and uh adam smash is going to pick up Uh Doctor fates helmet and then she goes I wouldn't touch that if I were you the helmet is from another planet It chooses who is allowed to like touch it who's worthy or whatever and it's millions of years old and kent is literally possessed when he puts it on And it's it's clearly their way of trying to bum rush fucking exposition The new doctor faze or how he got to that point But the first thing you think is why the hell's the hell but just sitting there if If it's that and then the guy is like what happens if I touch it and she says you'll experience soul crushing terror At least that's what like kent has has expressed and then he was like Oh someone should probably put a towel on it And it's like yeah, yeah What the hell The man's got some ideas. He's got some ideas. He's got some ideas Um So then yeah, they all they all come back into a room together and um one of them says like adam is a weapon of mass destruction And then I think cyclone is like how do we stop him? And his browser is like if we can get him to say the word shazam Um, and then have him sleep off a few thousand years. Maybe we can negotiate the terms of his existence Not just like slow down The only way you could think of defeating him is making him say a word What if he doesn't? Yeah, do you have like hold him down and make his mouth make the move screaming To trick the wizards by using a ventriloquist I just uh, oh that that kind of rhymes me as something I I suppose we should have talked about it earlier, but So black adam gets his powers because six wizards who are just hanging out somewhere If they see someone who does something like really cool really awesome They will grant them the power of Right so You should have a lot of shazams out there, right? Like a lot of them you've got a planet with You you have a planet with Billions and billions of people over time, right? And if like think about all the craziest think about world war two How many shazams would have been created in world war two? How many people went through incredible Daring brave, you know rescue missions and you know courageous acts of sacrifice To you know fulfill a mission and to save the world And do the wizards give it regardless of the side? So if you have some plucky chum in the wehrmacht, right? And he is like he's a medic and he and he saves all of his german comrades in the middle of the battle And he like gets shot and is almost killed by crossfire while he's trying to you know help his people And he's he's kind of a good dude. Could that guy get shazam'd even though? He's on you know the the german side like there's a lot of there's a lot of questions That I have regarding the who who has given the power of shazam This is a pretty obvious question, but like why didn't they actually get shazam to like help them? Oh, dude, all of them all of the characters. Where are they they didn't account for them at all? They didn't even do the thing of they're off-world. They're busy. They didn't do that They just not only is that they're shazam like Zachary Levi shazam, but he's also his whole family is shazam too They they have the same Shazam two has happened into the exact same time they have the same powers Like and he's interacted with the wizard like why isn't he why didn't you get him? Shazam too is happening at the same time. They can't do it. Shazam Maybe maybe it is. Who knows It's just Yeah, we'll get more on that this time. This is a very cohesive universe. I don't know why you think they wouldn't account for that I mean, who knows if they're even gonna have those characters interact It seems like they want to set up black adam versus superman rather than his arch nemesis The second half of what Piers Brosnan said that whole will make him sleep off a few thousand years and then negotiate the terms of existence What a strange like intention. Why wouldn't you just talk to him now? Yeah Also, this whole like make him sleep it off for a thousand like he's already been sleeping for thousands. Whatever. I don't know man It's just it's just strange. They all seem so confident about this like we'll just make him say the word this this Literal walking WMD. It'll be fine. Yeah, he'll want to give up his powers um so anyway But I don't know how exactly we're gonna go about explaining the issue here because it's a little bit complicated The kid is like annoyed. The black adam isn't gonna liberate kandak. He's busy having to look at the statue So the kid pisses off one of the guards hoping the guard will beat him up so that black adam will kill him I don't know how to feel about this We need to have a discussion about morality Complicated. I don't have a I have mixed feelings. I don't know about this This is really this is um, this is a weird one guys Uh to This is really strange. I'm not sure how do you start? Yeah, the idea that Like that's just the thing that you do Like I I understand that these are like the bad guys, but are all of them bad Are they like what what's this? What's the political situation going on here? You know like what what's happening in this world right now? What what's sort of the state of things because this is just it's just really weird um um The uh the idea that a kid can essentially sick his dog Right his his his is invincible superhero on people and just have him get killed without even a chance of fighting back Uh in that it's done so It's it's done without any kind of Commentary like no one Comments on this no one it's not held against him. It's if anything it's like. Oh, yeah, the kid's having a moment He's fighting back. He's like ah he's like people are getting killed and Don't know about this one. I think there are ways to execute it a little bit cleaner um Including but not limited to the kid is running after black adam and then bumps into one of the gods The gods like beat him up for it just because they find him annoying and then black out I was like what he's fucking doing and then they could be like who the hell are you and then You know because like they do black adam waits for them to attack him first So the film is like clearly trying sort of that but Like I said, it felt weird to me that the kid recognized like the only way I can get black adam to start You know liberating kandak is to piss off my Captors so that they attack me and then hopefully you'll kill them. There's just something about that that doesn't feel quite right, but um You know sure, uh, it's what it's what starts the avalanche in a sense Because that's the thing if we saw more of them being super cruel, um, which they already are that it's just that uh The series of events being cleaner as a start would would be more comfortable That's all he's uh because the kid is just like i'm gonna go and get these guys killed if I can just piss them off enough Which feels strange Especially because the kid is like super obsessed with paragon type heroes Yeah Which as we know, uh You know the hawk man representing that side and this probably wouldn't say what the kid does there is a cool thing to do Like I said, um, probably not could have been could have been cleaner. Just just felt awkward Um, so yeah adam pretty much kills them all. Um Pins up and he's like pachow pachow pachow and then and then they all unload they're like machine guns into him, but They run out or at least one guy does and then they all start setting up to do, um, mexican standoff And it's incredibly bizarre. Yeah weird Is it just because of the thing he saw on tv? Yeah, I think so. I think that was the idea and this is for payoff but it doesn't Make any sense make any sense Yeah, um, so if you empty your entire rifle into superman And then you don't draw and fire your pistol, which is one thing You threaten to you imply to you set up the mexican standoff as if to say Hopefully I can get my shot off before you do anything to me superman Which is like what shop gonna do anything, you know as if the bullets not just gonna bounce off his forehead Yeah, you know the obvious thing you can't immediately is like but it's really fun like, uh Not really no I don't know is it is it still fun when you like it requires all of the characters to go brain dead for a second? Like nobody's decisions here make any sense I would say that saps the fun. I think it saps the fun Yeah It's just oh, this is a reference to a thing that is good Except that none of the context allows for it to work in the way it did in the thing that you like So it's just here remember that Do you remember that movie? Yeah, and then um Feels more and it's like yep Yeah, that's what would happen. It's gonna happen. Yeah I uh Would be surprised if he didn't effortlessly kill all of them without any issues whatsoever And then he says tell him that the man in black sent you but the guys are dead Oh, shit. I got it together. I got to do that when they were still alive He's not an alien That's what I mean Human person. He should know Uh So, uh, he then grabs two guys Oh, he grabbed like it's other people are shooting at him So he jumps over grabs the two guys and it's about to drop him and he sees the justice society turn up And then it's kind of strange. He sees them Then he drops the two guards he's holding and then looks back at the ship and shrugs as if to say Yeah, what are you gonna do about it? But he has absolutely no clue what this thing even is the ship, you know It just turns up And he already wants to like interact with it as though he knows the personalities and intentions of the people on it Because they're not happy that he drops two people like that like the uh Do you know what i'm saying like he's like he's he's aware of the situation already and it's like how He shouldn't be there's the million things he should not be aware of at this point in the movie that he just is He just understands the dynamic And so whole man jumps out immediately to save the two guys Which is kind of like okay me that's that's pretty clear characterization and dr. Fate Does a teleport i guess but before he does He looks at a cyclone at adam's fasher just says be prepared That is why it's exactly it's such a like even i was just like wait, what are they supposed to do? They had the same information as me What are they Keep an eye out for the signal Yeah, uh Yeah, we'll get to that. Um, so just hideous prep awful, but yeah, whatever. It's fine I think a society geared for justice would be better at you'd think Um thing has he said the man in black line yet while i was gone or we still ramp up to that Yeah, he said it to the guy who was already dead. That's the one we've done. So yeah Because because i was kind of the moment i realized oh that they they didn't realize they were writing black adam They thought they were writing the t800 from terminator two This is they've somehow Confused the two and now he's being written like this robot who needs to As much as i agree the execution of t2 is so much better Oh, yes, it is it is much better uh So yeah, um Walkman says i don't know these men's crimes, but they should face due process Uh, and then adam just fucking kills them and says let the gods make their judgment Um, i i don't mind that exchange between the two of them Expresses the the core values pretty easily and how they're very opposed to each other And you know, I don't know if there's anything else to say about that I was just like it's pretty quick because you know, we haven't had much I think we're like halfway through the film already by the way That feels weird it does it doesn't it like because there's not much we've had to talk about Um, or at least it doesn't feel that way Then again, we're going for two hours. So I don't know. Maybe it maybe yes. Yeah. Um Yeah, uh Then then hawkman says oh one of them says uh, we're here to restore peace to kandak and we will use force if necessary And adam's like force is always necessary Which is a weird line. I think he wants to sound badass I guess Um, because it isn't always necessary. No, I guess he thinks that it is from his experience Talking about the like the threat of force is always necessary because that's a little bit different But like you could make a stronger case for at least. Well, he said the use of force If necessary, I think he says it's always necessary Okay So one thing I don't sorry just to backpedal quickly the one thing I don't really like about Hawkman coming in like he just says like oh these people need to face due process And I'm I'm not convinced that he understands The like the political goings-on of he definitely doesn't he's he's sure I sure as fuck down. Yeah He doesn't I mean he pretty much says that he says like I don't know what these guys have done But they should face due process. I guess his idea of due process versus kandak's idea of it Yeah, and he gave me a little bit of like team america vibes, you know, just showing up I don't think the film's unaware of that they have criticisms of them in that degree right that they only show up At the worst possible time ever like to control them I think the film is aware No, the film is aware that he's showing up and he's being like the team america kind of person a little bit But the film doesn't make clear for us what the actual situation is on the ground here in terms of who runs this country Who these soldiers really are who they work for what they're doing Like what is the actual political situation here because they don't tell us we don't really know What to think about Whether hawkman is right to say these people like I'm just so confused like I can't make a judgment on Like how we should treat these soldiers because I don't really understand what the world building is It could be handy to have more about them. Yeah Yeah, it would be very helpful because from their perspective It might be that like the reason they were trying to get the crown in the first place I just who knows there's so much I know so little about what's going on In this country and the situation of the country is such a big point of the plot that it's not fair. Damn it now um That exchange at least means that black adam is talk to a bull And that he seems to have a grievance with the the people he's just killed So there's clearly a motivation you can talk to him and that's probably wise because he's pretty powerful So then dr. Fate rolls in Again, I want to say I like dr. Fate in this movie, but he says Death adam, we know who you are and what you're capable of there is no place for you in the world of men You have two choices kneel or die They're stupid. I don't think that's helping. I really don't I think that was a really really, uh, that's just not wise like not even close I hate how they approach him because if you watch the movie at all, it seems he's very He's actually rather easy to convince of things. The only thing he's chill Is that violence is Useful like you're not going to be able to convince him that that's not true but everything else like he seems to Just like oh, these are the bad guys. Okay, cool. I'll kill them. You know what I mean He's very easily manipulated almost even like you could convince him if you talk to him Hey I find it weird that he said kneel or die as well Yeah Um, but yeah, what are like it must be anti killing aren't they like It feels a bit weird that he's threatening with death when only a few minutes ago He's very they very explicitly show they were anti death It's I don't think it matches even slightly that whole no line. It's all like why what? Dr. Fate comes across as like oh, he's this he's the smart one He's going to be the one that has the most mature things to say about the situation as well as the most wise And he just walks into the situation and just says i'm going to kill you if you don't fucking go, baby Okay Comes across as a weird evil tyrant for some reason Yeah, and and said there is no place for you in the world of bed like what why would you say that? Yeah, that's something that really really annoyed me about the film I have no idea why they think they can't make a hero out of this guy or like someone who's useful to their cause I have no idea why they just assume that's impossible from the start And then antagonize it remember fucking dr. Fate is the one that said there are no absolutes Yeah, I don't understand So and uh, i'm not going to entertain like oh he did it because it's not so many actually believes him But it facilitates the future he needed to have facilitated or some shit like that You know, it comes off to me like because they mentioned that he's possessed when he's wearing the helmet yet that Aspect doesn't actually come up too much in the film So that feels like that might have been a larger part of the script at some stage I was gonna bring that Trap north from that idea that impression. I totally get that impression word like the helmet Several praises for dr. Fate, but one of the big criticisms. I think is to have told me That he is possessed whenever he puts that helmet on you cannot show me Him taking it on and putting it off casually all the time Don't do that Now me might be able to help me out with this as I understand that the whole idea with dr. Fate is that like Yeah, essentially when he puts on the helmet, there's like a different You can almost say persona that is involved there and there's kind of like a god living there or something I think yeah, and they have like competing interests at times So it's like two entities that occasionally cooperate and occasionally clash with one another. That's not very present here I still like But it seems like it might have been something that they had But then they changed their mind in reshoots Because I imagine it's pretty easy to change that kind of thing in a reshoot If that were the case, but we could stack some references. Unfortunately, it's not really complete because him saying There are no absolutes and you know and and maybe we need more information on this guy to then when he's dr. Fate Say kneel or die that is like. Oh, so that is a big difference there. Okay, cool And um, you know it's diametrically opposed Yeah, but they don't play into that really at all, you know, like when he says um, I will Crush his mind or something like that in reference to interrogating somebody as dr. Fate It's like that sounds a bit more aggressive than p.s. Brosnan ever sounds in those scenes So maybe right maybe that was an idea they had at some point they got dropped I don't know why they would have dropped it. That would have been really cool It would have been cool, but it would make you question why he's along for this mission if he's um Yeah, well, he works for the Lords of Order, right? So this would be about fighting this would be about Um working for order Adams like a wmd. So it makes some sense Well, yeah, okay. No because I I disagree I think because dr. Fate's approach if if we're to believe that possessed dr. Fate with the helmet on is gonna come in And see black adam and say kneel before me or die, but that's not actually gonna help your mission You know, that's that's a good strategy. Yeah, so you might be you're putting this team together go Yeah, well, yeah, this guy he's you know, he's got god powers, which is really cool But he's a very different and very aggressive person when he puts the mask on and we don't really have a way of controlling that So maybe he shouldn't be on the team that is honestly something that It's so casually mentioned like he gets possessed, but it's just like is that a problem? Is that something to worry about? By what because that's by something that can understand people and humans Huge huge missed opportunity here. What a shame that could have been really interesting Especially if you had almost like another voice that was in his head while he was Doing his stuff or he would so like He's don't do much with it and as much as I really want to like the characters aesthetics are so cool and pierce brosman brosman's awesome but A lot of missed opportunities here to to really make him something great Well, like I said, we should have had his own movie really. Yeah Yeah, I would have done that. I would have wiped for that Oh for chassis So, um The fight begins and he's like fate give me a distraction and he does cool spell casty things and makes black Adam see Unduck as it originally was to distract him and they do something I think First of all, that's a power that I understand. It's pretty straightforward Probably has a level of maintenance that's going to draw power And then they do a little cool thing of I think adam looks off in the distance He sees like a bird And then it comes closer and closer and bigger and bigger and it's whole man. He punches him. It's like, uh, that's kind of I like that mm-hmm The thing is he punches him through a series of buildings and oh my god The man of man of steel flashbacks immediately. I was like, you know And the thing about it is why does this happen so much? It's like of all the characters to have do that you chose whole command Why he would be the least Like he wouldn't do it Stop you can't tell me that he is a paragon of justice and virtue and then have him do that If you have him do it, then you have to have him go. Oh fuck Oh shell no, no, is everyone okay? Well the building was cleared guys There was no one in the building Yeah, just have Anderson Cooper come on the tv and say actually it's abandoned at night. So It's totally chill Any yard in later? Yeah. Um, uh, what? Um Um, but yeah, they just they're outright trying to fucking kill him and they have the kneel or die line I'm just like you guys really you know, you're gonna try to talk to him. Okie dokie Go ahead I guess Um, and then uh, we see our humans who are annoying and the lady is like amon. Where are you going? And if I don't know if it was adr But there's a couple lines much later in the film that the delivered this way and oh my god It's some of the worst line. He goes you help him like Delivery is consistently awful. Why why couldn't you have him? You can get an adult to do a better get the voice of fucking lisa simpson You know there's people like that where they can do kids voices. Jesus You guys are really great rousing speech later. We'll talk about we will talk about that. Yeah We're not there yet. Oh, I think I've repressed that. I'm I'm I can't actually remember the speech. I think I And you don't remember it I think I've repressed it. I remember the tone of it. Not the words No, I don't remember the words, but yes the delivery is is yeah So then um cyclone is like well, um off I go. I actually I think Uh, uh, dr. Fate says uh adam spasher cyclone. Now is your time and it's like do what? Jump off the fucking plane mauler. Okie dokie So they do uh cyclone jumps out and she just wills up loads of debris of different kinds like poles and bricks and all this other stuff and just fires it all at adam And I'm just gonna be honest. I feel like Yeah, I mean you you can do that but like it's not gonna do anything, right? Like why would that do anything? He's superman Yeah, not much of anything may be distracted momentarily. That's really all you can hope for with her The only thing I kind of like about it was the it was firing down all the poles around him It looked almost like she was trying to avoid him Not many of them go into him, but maybe she was trying to create a trap I have more questions about this in a second, but for a brief moment when she puts all the poles around him it makes like A prison cell imagery And and he looks through it and he gets even angrier and I was kind of like oh, that's neat enough You know because he's got the slavery history thing. That's working That's in some way And then Yeah, so this is the thing. I wasn't sure exactly what happened here. It gets weird. So she's sort of finished her move And there's lady and the kid Think about this logistically lady and kid and then go a few meters forward and you got adam covered in this Debris and then a few more meters forward and will wind girl is doing a thing And then you got dr. Fay off to the side who spots The situation is going in a particular way And I think will wind girl. I can't tell Detonates where adam is. There's like a blue explosion I don't know if it's adam doing it or she's doing it or someone else is doing it Either way that happens And so all the debris is about to spread in all different directions And so dr. Fay teleports the lady and the kid out which um I had an assessment of this at first but now I'm not sure What I thought was happening there was the will wind girl is a fucking idiot And she nearly killed two civilians because she's not thinking straight and the dr. Fay had to save them But I'm not sure if he did the detonation or if it was black adam that did it I thought if it was like a blue explosion that would have been him right because he's got the blue lightning powers I think that the blue would go to adam before any other characters. So it Does that mean I don't know I don't know that she can do that, right? Is so that that could actually be a point to the film because that could mean then that he's He's getting angry and the because I was about to say I'm pretty sure he knew that the lady and the kid were there But then again, that's going to play into why he thinks that he is too too ragey, right so I'll I'll benefit the doubt. I'll give it to the film. I think it was him. Yeah All right, cool. And that that does add to a to an arc. Okay, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be Saying there's an arc in this film. All right, right Yeah, and I also like just dr. Fay saving them. I was like, yeah, I like it when superheroes save people Sneak, that's nice to see. Yeah, you don't see it very much these days Um, but it's a bit of a coincidence too because he saves them and then he sees that The bag is on the floor and I think he legit is like going he goes to pick it up to hand it to her I guess but then feels that the crowd is in there and flashes to the evil six demon princes of hell Um, and he's like you have the crown of sabok He takes his helmet off to do that by the way and then again you think about the possession thing It's like wait Does the helmet want you to take the helmet off? You know, like wouldn't the helmet be like, no, I'm all right. It's okay with it Do you understand what I mean by that though? So say for example, you're dr. Fay You're doing your dr. Fay stuff and then a development happens and you take the helmet off to express your thoughts on that It's like wouldn't you keep it on? You know, um, here's another thing later on that is exactly the reason they do it. So yes, uh, that's where I was going Yeah, and later on we have the iron man Visioning the iron man close up inside the helmet thing Well, what's what why does everyone so means that what are they supposed to do? They keep taking his helmet off throughout the whole movie So like they try to have one view of him that's from inside the helmet because people like wow Just doing the iron man thing. There's like, I don't know. It's different. It's the sparkly I guess so unfortunately, I think I'm a bit Halo did the the helmet thing and I hate it I just I think it's just part of a broader thing which I don't like which is we need to see the actor's face We can't have like the intentionally designed costume An outfit or armor set just exist as it is and then find different ways to have the character express their emotions Through like I think I think I mostly agree with you But part of the problem with dr. Fate in this movie is that his mask doesn't really have eyes It doesn't have the eye things for some. Well, how's it one time in the whole movie? Yeah I don't have the eye slots for the whole Well, I assumed that that was to be like it's a reference and that we're not actually going to do it fully because it's too goofy I assume that's what their angle is It does make it It does make it a little weird because there's no expression in his mask now Unlike some of the other heroes who wear masks at least their masks have a face to them You know, there's some level of expression possible, you know with spider-man and his eyes and things like that I don't know man. I might have to go as far as saying I don't even need that I couldn't you because you got the voice. I really like dr. Fate's voice. So no, yeah, it's great You need I don't think you need stuff on that. You can you can achieve like having emotions with no face at all body language and voice and stuff because again Right, they're like we got to see his face We got to take off his helmet and even when he's got the helmet on we got to do Because I can't tell that he's angry when he's like punching this elite. I need to see him screaming I I I do not like that show. I really don't like So the main thing I wanted to point out with the iron man thing wasn't the fact that they were using the iron man thing But the fact that we are seeing him Not as kent nelson inside the helmet speaking as kent nelson Yeah, that's the thing. There's no difference at points like that. There is just But you know what I mean when we're saying references in favor of the idea It's like there's loads of references against the idea Yeah, he's just she-hulk Why would you say that because Because I'll I'll I'll explain why because But it's one person even though they have two forms in she-hulk Jen as gen human gen and she-hulk gen are the same person even if they have really different forms I think he looks really cool in this image by the way He does I want to say I liked I like him in the look in the movie as well. Um, yeah I mean this is just cooler though Look, he has a book. That's just look how much cooler that is. He has a book. Yeah, he reads. Oh my gosh He does he's got a little satchel for his book. He often has a book I've always found that cool when a book is like a weapon you have in the terms of like if you're a magic user And you have a floating book That like the pages light up or the the runes on it glow And you use that as a way to like channel your power I always thought that was really cool and kind of scholarly and you know dignified in a sense. I always really like that Like hocus pocus Someone said dr. Strange equal no dr. Fate equals dr. Strange mlm is like no no no no no Something that is neat about dr. Fate in this film is that he uses a smaller set of abilities like He you it's not like every time it's some bullshit. He tends to use like four or five moves that have Like a function Which means they definitely went the opposite direction of That interviewer that said we needed a new move every single time dr. Strange casts a spell Dr. Fate uses the same set of five pretty much throughout the whole movie Yeah, he uses illusions Um of like tricking people you know tricking people with imagery. Yeah creating the Ancient can Yeah, the glass crystal that glass trap he duplicates himself, but they're not super duper strong teleports And goes invisible. Yeah and teleports and goes invisible That's basically it but he uses them in different circumstances Which is that's probably the way to do it because it's like he's just way more understandable He doesn't just do anything. He's super powerful to be sure but in a way that's more comprehensible And As much as we've been shitting on the possession side of things I think they do capture the uh, this man's lived a long time and seen a lot of futures Yes, uh, he's the best character in the movie Uh, I think so. Absolutely. Um, I can't wait to see more of them. I'm really excited to see more dr. Fate As much as I feel like they could have done more what they did was pretty good Yeah more on that later I'm like the multiple spells thing you would even if you have access to thousands of thousands of spells You would think that each wizard would specialize in only like five or six because no We don't like choice. No, you want to get really good at a small set of spells But then The problem is that you can't do the thing where it's like, yeah, there's a cat head and then there's demon hands And then there's magic Sheet music Like you you got it. Yeah, you can't you can't and remember everybody said that was cool Nobody talks about it anymore or that movie in general. Nobody should go away I mean, I doubt many people are gonna be talking about dr. Fate like from this movie in a little while, but that's that's shame Maybe it would be different if he got his own movie instead of being in this movie Yeah, he's not especially well served by the story around him, but I do like him He's definitely the most interesting character It's just it's uh, it's like meme said there's too many movies in this movie Yeah It needs to serve as a black adam film and it also needs to serve as a just a society film And even amongst that just a society you've got somebody like I mean really like hawkman and black adam could both get their own story, you know Both of those characters could get their own movie and that would be worthwhile. It would be worthwhile to Absolutely a hawkman movie and how does he operate on his own and what are the problems he has to navigate through? DC has spent so long trying to jumpstart the car. They should have just started it normally Pretty much. Yeah, it's been nearly a decade since man of steel And we're not in a good place. Yeah, no, it is. No, we're in a terrible place. Yeah Well, it's like I said they They just never found anything along the way of value, but they kept going they they never had that Whoa time out hold on we need a plan here before we charge for it But they thought that a bad plan was better than no plan To 2008 to 2012 and marvel were already rolling completely and it's like four years You really don't need much more than that to have your whole cinematic universe ready to go But again, it's probably not a great idea to have your cinematic universe essentially go iron man captain america civil war thunderbolts I thought or captain america one mate. No, I thought And then and then you do avengers. Maybe that's not the best order to do your first set of films. Maybe not Maybe not universe um, so happens Russia comes in and um I don't know why they I don't know sometimes don't get what the film's trying to say He starts it up and he's running forward and there's this car heading toward him And he gets real big and just kicks it and it just flings away and it's like Who was in there? George nobody. I hope it's nobody because geez um And he's just he slams down into adam and to the point where whirlwind lady has to put up a protective shield over her before she dies And I was just thinking to myself like so Had she been knocked out because she'd just experienced a big old blast from adam himself. Anyway um, you gotta just kill her And so I'm I'm feeling annoyed. I'm like you guys are very reckless And and but then again in my head I was like, but this is their first time out So maybe maybe we can get some like You guys, you know, you're really bad at this. You need to hang back or yeah They're like that they're not working as a team and I have to learn to work as a team and coordinate their powers Or something that unfortunately something At that very moment dr. Fate flies up takes off the helmet and goes I think if you're first outing you both are doing great work, bravo I was just like Encouraging yeah Meanwhile hawkman will be the one to reprimand them. I guess I'm punching him through the the building Fair enough, um, yeah, adam just knocks out adam's masher Crip and then they go we're not strong enough This is like no shit Yeah Yeah, that would be useful Maybe or alternatively shazam the one who has the exact same powers and might have some insight into how to deal with himself This is like a Lull in the almost non-stop action at this point It's kind of the film goes action non-action action non-action action for the rest of it now and the non-action parts are very quick um, yeah This pace could be described as pretty erratic a little bit. Yeah, uh, we're flashing. Did I say yeah the fight is now over and uh Lady is like why are you guys trying to stop black adam? He's our champion and you come here when he's saving us but not when we're invaded and then they're like we need the crown she's like Fuck you guys and then uh, hawkman is like, I assure you he's not a hero And our team is going to be willing to and then in the background adam's masher knocks over a statue And you hear people screaming And hawkman is like when we get back me and you are going to have a conversation or something like that And I just remember thinking like dude. Did he just kill people? Did he please don't tell me he's killing people Oh Just call it some damage. That's all yeah fucking hope so God, I'm so tired of my heroes casually killing people stop I think he was casually destroying a a very revered statue and you know, that's the implication No, you're so bad for sure, but I don't think anyone died. Like I said, the screaming as well is what made me worried There's also this other part where um He's I think it was during the action scenes where he's in where he's um I think he's trying to do Adam smash is trying to do crowd control with all the cars and he starts moving them around and stopping them Like the little toy cars and all I could think was wait. Wait. Did you just stop a car with a person in it? Like a toy just stop with your hand. Oh, no Oh, please tell me like it wasn't like a gradual stop It was more like no i'm grabbing you like you're a toy car moving out of control And so people understand the scaling here It's like these things they're like complaints and we're trying to figure out stuff But like it doesn't it pales in comparison to Lasering embryos, you know, it's just it's easy. Yes. Yeah, we're fine. We're not we're not at that level Yeah, there's a master's kind of clumsy and not very good. Yeah, they won. He's I He's the wacky comic relief character, uh in this Who Um Yeah, and so Tins out the crown has been she lady gave it to kid and kid is running back to apartment with crown Uh, I guess because she thought that dr. Fate might try and steal it off at which he could easily have done But but like I don't know man. Maybe he should You know, he can teleport. Um, so when he knew that crown was in the bag They show it He he he looks up and he sees hawkman fighting Adam and he looks back at her looks up and then decides to go and help him. It's like the bag dude Grab it Just grab the bag teleport it back into the ship. No, no, it's it's like a satchel. I think just put it over your I know it won't match the suit I know it doesn't go with your gear It's flying around with the backpack His cape looks kind of floppy because it's underneath the backpack Um, oh damn. But yeah, then they explain this I think we should have had this before the fight. They say that um Adam destroyed kandak and he did not save it and that he can't possibly be a hero And the reason we're here is to stop him from destroying the city again I was like, okay, that's a little clearer in terms of why you think why you approached him the way that you did But I still don't think it justifies it because he was clearly willing to talk So, uh, but but still why did you not bring this up before? Like to the audience I mean because to us you guys just went fuck this guy That's the modification is you needed them to try diplomacy and then black adam was like no fuck this Yeah, like get out of here. I'm killing you and it's like And then like he needs to throw the first punch basically and then hawkman can go like, okay I guess we're doing it. You know, I guess this is happening Yeah, it's just the little things, you know, because we even got the little thing where he saved those guys And he's like they deserve a trial before they got zapped You know, it's like the little the little things of heroes saving people and doing hero things trying to have the their punisher dare devil thing They are trying to have it. It's not as gripping, but it's not it's not worthless. I don't think Baby's first punisher dare devil uh So they try talking to him but before that kid goes back home and evil guy is there But he's still pretending to not be evil guy, which is kind of pointless I don't even like gives it up straight away But uh, chunky uncle is like It's fine. You don't have the crown. You need to leave now, don't you? You need to go back to your mom And it's just like and chuckle. Yeah, chuckle tried Um, but you didn't yeah, I like this this got me major points for chuckle He he grabs the guy with the gun and says for the kid to run. He actually takes a shot to the gut For it and it's like, oh, you're a you're a good lad I like chuckle Uh chuckle's good. I feel this. I approve of chuckle Um, but the kid then runs into his room and goes through the little secret exit So the evilman can't get to him Meanwhile, we're having a little chat with uh with black adam and and folks And it's basically like surrender and he says no And then it feels like it's the same conversation as we had before Piece Bros is like your powers have given you nothing but heartache Then the response is you have no idea And I was just like so neither of you really cared to address each other there. I got fine, whatever Um And then she she gets a call from the kid and she's like, I know you said you aren't a hero But you're not a monster you saved me you didn't know me and your first instinct was to save me And I was just thinking like his first instinct was to fucking vaporized all Yeah, just eradicate the people around him I don't know I get that she would plead that it makes sense. It's just funny because he killed everybody in that room except her Yeah, um Yeah, she says please save my son and so we then cut to the kid getting an action scene Wait, he just said please save my son was just the most uncompelling Dry deliveries like please save my son. Please do it. It's like please do that. I do not want him to perish That's one thing about me as a character is that I don't want my son to die I do not want my son to I think it's like she was fine. I just don't have any feelings about her as a character. She was lady. She was there I don't know what does it mean? What does it mean? What were you gonna say? Give me a meme or cat. Yeah, man. What were you gonna say, man? What were you gonna say before you interrupt the cat? Racism you think what you think of her is a Dildo racism. Yeah, yeah racism Exactly. Anyway, uh, all I was gonna say is that I don't know if I consider her character fine. She's kind of Uh, I think I'm sorry. No, I was referring to a performance not the character Uh, yeah, yeah I'm in contrast with some The more that I've thought now about the the whole What I would say is like a conflict between like the her mode. Yeah, I don't know if like Yeah, she might be bad like in terms of being consistently written. I wasn't even like I said I am thought necessarily about what I think of her overall is a Character in the storyline. I almost again. She's there. I just meant the lady actress is so prominent Like she's such yeah, I think the son is a great sin in that regard. He's such a prominent little Hucker and I hate him so much from the bottom of my heart That's that's that's what I was trying to get to is the the next scene is we get the kid action scene Where he like out smarts and out plays all these fucking mercenaries and rags you were like Why why are they still They got somebody seeds of him doing these awesome he like You like the three of them are coming at him from like a staircase and you like throws like a plant pot or Something at them and they all fall down. It's just like oh god I mean like he puts his skateboard on like a washing line and cycles all the way down. It's like, oh, yeah It's like it's kind of I don't know if the director or the creator or whoever was in charge of these decisions The rock I I why would Why would you is is the idea that you want to have a Fun kid character for like kids to relate to or whatever My guess would be that if they were going to make a real case, it would be rc It's the innocent child who like allows black adam to essentially discover How to be a hero and that there is good in the world and to and to try and pursue it Even if he does that in his own way, that would be my best Well the film's a little bit more of a bad tips of what I think is doing anyways at the end black adam says He's not a hero the kandak has heroes and then like it just pans to the kid and the mom Right. Yeah, they're heroes and you know if they're heroes you at home sitting there with your cheetos you could be a hero too That's probably the That's a probably stronger Why are we reading at you at home? You like superhero movies? You like to skateboard? I'm a hero I see someone says but the kid is such a bad influence. It's like yeah, because he kind of he coaxed him into uh killing those guys and that standoff Like he's pretty violent Like it's it's um Because I think I mean we all jump with the gun I don't know what the the the film's conclusion is on like black adam and whether or not he's a good guy or a bad guy With devil I'll give that yet. Yeah. No, I know that's yeah He's an edgy guy Yeah, pretty much at the very least the weirdest thing I found about that kid action scene was he avoids all of them freezes and then he's foiled because someone burst through the fucking wall in a motorcycle and grabs it and I was like what like As if to imply like yeah, the kid's that good that they had to cheat to get him eat with the motorcycle And how was that coordinated exactly like yeah, dude just run through the fucking wall I'll count you down five four. Ah crap. He's right there. All right Yeah, can we try that again? Can you just go back up the stairs and so Bear in mind They're all hunting the kid because the kid has the crown and so he grabs the kid Slumps him over the motorcycle and starts cycling all the way up and then black adam is there And he says release the child and he goes whatever you say and drops him down like joker style That is like heaven you need his fucking ground. What why would you just grab the bag? He's evil he's evil overplayed stop it Very poor choice of water. It's a set up and pay off because later on It's gonna it's gonna get paid off and it's real This movie's pretty silly A little bit still just a little bit tiny bit black adam grabs kids Again, this story made it like I don't know how to describe this clunkiness in in terms of just events happening But he sets him down and and he's like, oh, thanks. You know you do. He's like, yeah Yeah, and he's like, all right now I'm gonna go just just beat up all those guys and he flies up and he starts doing And then the kid is just grabbed by evil man and he's like, right. Let's go This uh this kind of criticism I've highlighted it before I still don't really know exactly how to Bring probably but it's it's the it's the ray shields thing from revenge of the sith Like how did this happen like that's just so arbitrary You're just here. Okay Fine That's happening now. It's just like yep Kid was like escaping everybody amazingly and then someone burst through wall to grab him But then black adam was there and so he's not but then he was you're like That wraps it up in a neat little boat, don't you think? Yep. And so now he's captured. It's like, oh great but then He keeps going black adam is beating everyone up He bursts out of a wall just just a just a wall. It's whatever And he looks down like very specifically far away and down to see a bag on the floor with comics hanging out of it So he knows the kid's been kidnapped I had to like double take on that because I was like, wait, so he he like flew up Attacked everybody burst out of one of four walls And then happened to be in the right position to see that the bag had fallen out Meaning that someone must have taken him because he wouldn't have left his comics behind He would never leave his comics behind I would never go anywhere without my comic books. I would not leave them at home And if the director writer whatever was like, well, how else can we translate to black adam that the kid has been captured again It's like you just have the kid scream his name I can't Well at that point, I guess he'd say is it teff adam teff adam Because they do yeah, he's hasn't decided on his cool superhero name yet Yeah Wouldn't it be funny if he if he tried to come up with the name it's like, oh, that's already been taken Like i'm gonna call myself the superman. It's like, oh fuck man. Sorry. I hate to break this to you Like what do you mean? But I am a pretty super man. It's like no It's like, yeah, no, sure, but like You know, that's not you gotta try I don't know. I'm pretty I'm pretty hulking. Maybe I could be called the hulk Wow, is that does marvel existed the dc universe because we know that dc exists in the marvel universe And we know that dc exists in the dc universe. Thanks to those comics The comics had the dc imp because they were actual dc comics like they were all rebirth comics and like there was underwear Superman and everything it was quite weird to see um like That was the first sign as well because there was no black superman suit And it's like, oh, no, he might not wait. No, we're jumping a gun again on that. Oh, no Oh, we'll get we'll get there. We'll get to the thing that uh may may have gotten a few blood vessels to boil He stops chasing motorcycles And then he's holding one of the dudes and he's like the dude is like, let me go That he's like you should choose your words more carefully and drops him Whoa See You should let me go, please And then um, whatever whatever characteristics let me go. They must drop them to their death That's the rule. It's gonna be like a subversion to hold them after they say it You'll be like, oh, that'd be the crazy thing. Let me go and they're like, well, hold on. I'm gonna put you down gently Okay, please let me go. They go. No, I will not let you go and the whole audience is like, whoa That's crazy, man Uh Yeah, uh, as the guy's falling. He's like tell all the man in black scent. Oh and he's dead But it's too light You don't want that got a little smile out of me. What do we think cast of that joke? Um, I didn't care for it myself I was I think you're trying to do the catchphrase thing of it too much And I don't know why he would care about the catchphrase at all Same I I kind of liked it. It's I don't think it's very good It kind of made me smile very very straightforward. Yeah very hard way tell them about oh Like it's too late. He realized too late that I think I'll give it that I think that's the funniest one of the lot Um, the fact that um, he's like he's remembered it almost in time, but not quite and so he has this like Well, when you say your favorite because my favorite joke in the film is not that there's not what I said I thought you said you said it was your favorite of No, it's probably the best of that joke The because there's like three payoffs for that whole thing and I think most of them suck Yeah, I'm inclined to agree Uh Yeah, so so now he's well, yeah, we're about to reach what I think is my favorite joke actually, um So they oh boy you got black adam is uh starting to he needs to find all the motorcycles that are flying around Rip open their backs to see if they've got the kid in the back and then I guess kill them Um, and so they're all flying around and then they bump into hawk man who jumps on the back of one of them Is he's like activate infrared to check if the kid is in there But then he gets knocked off the thing by black adam who then just pulls out the back to see if he's a And um, he's like, what are you doing and he says i'm searching for the child He goes no you're murdering people boy child. He says how else do I find the child? And uh while they're having this conversation the the the guy he's Breaking the motorcycle off is just shooting him with a pistol over and over again And that that is that is the most I had fun in the whole movie. I thought it was pretty hilarious Like while he he says what are you doing? He's like I'm searching for the child while there's just sparks and bullets coming off of him Like because he just couldn't give less of a fuck about that guy doing that while he's trying to explain Why he's going to be murdering people like I thought it was pretty good. Yeah I like it I gotta say more like your description there is a lot It conjured imagery in me that's much more violent than the actual scene because when you say He tore their backs open to look for the child. I'm just imagining that he's tearing their spines out Look inside them for the child Did he did he reload like because I feel like that would have made the joke funner If he was still shooting and then he reloads the guns because he's gotta keep trying He just has to keep going I don't think it lasted that long in fact that's the perv would have made it fuddier if it did last longer, but Yeah, like if you just kept doing it Yes Because there's an extra layer of like, you know, stop murdering people while the guy is shooting at a black atom Like this is funny Yeah, you know, he says yeah And he says uh, I can help you but no more extra judicial killings And he says I don't need any help and they just leave Then uh, adam smasher and cyclone is sent out again and they're they're trying to destroy these motorcycles, I guess and You gotta get another joke. I guess you will get ratings on this one. So you got um adam smasher Almost swipes black adam and says hey, dude. Look out. I almost hit you and then he hits Uh, hawkman as he's saying that Then the hawkman says mean you I I approve. I think it's all right It's fine. It's fine It's fine I think it's okay He's a big clumsy guy. It fits in with the level. It's the appropriate level humor that I've come to expect from this movie I think that's fair. It's fair right now uh then adam is chasing someone who Decides to fully hyper engage his eternium or whatever and goes at a speed that legit looked like he was traveling around the world Just like instantly or something and it's the it's it creates a shot that people making fun of where adam's face is like uh It does look kind of funny Movie discourse is so fucking annoying because like someone will post that and be like, holy fuck This is an actual shot for movie. I can see that go here. There's a little quote to that and be like, wow Fucking film bros being like, oh this one shot ruins everything even though the film is intentionally campy. Okay, then it's like It's okay. You could you could laugh It's funny. You don't have to take it so personally And someone else would be like wow the fucking film bros try to defend black adam Go watch something other than a marvel movie for once in your life. It's like, oh my god You guys hate each other so much I just saw the image and thought yeah, that's pretty funny Can you share it because I can't remember it I need to find there was a really funny if you can find it. I'll I'll put it on the screen. Yeah I'm just looking at me. Oh here I assume he's already found it Someone said it should have been the thumbnail. I will make it the thumbnail That's a nice you got to show the context there is Reminds how come I'm thinking about mega mind for some reason It's like a wide angle lens or something close up on the face Yeah, that's pretty brilliant Right I love that stupid image usually the best thing to come out of the movie This is right. I just like we can just have fun with it We don't need to be like the whole movie sucks or is great because of this one image. It's fine Um, yeah, that's pretty funny So, um, he catches up with him after a while then they both like crash And I remember rags you were like so wait he thinks the kid might be in the back of this motorcycle That kid is fucking dead Yes, the kid is definitely dead Um, which is even weirder because pesty brain. I guess I keep forgetting to turn it off He um, he opens the back of it and it shows the kid getting revealed And then it shows adam like oh damn it and then it shows the kid isn't actually in there They just spliced someone else opening something else that the kid was in To make you think for a moment that he had found him Um, I found this incredibly annoying as an editing choice Yes, it's this very cheap sort of uh rip off of the the silence of the lambs Fake out at the end of the movie. Yeah, not the biggest. Yeah. Yeah It's that thing again, but worse Because uh, it basically only serves to confuse. I think you get you get zero benefit almost from people doing the whole like Oh, oh, yeah. Oh, no Like that's what they're getting cool. That's not happening. Most people are like, oh, yeah Yeah It's so quick to yeah Yeah, it confuses me as well. Um, anyway adam's upset. So he tosses the bad guy And then dr. Fate shows up and he's like adam we can Bring me the prisoner and I can break his mind and he goes Um Because you killed him didn't you Then he just yeah He goes he didn't make I didn't mind that one either It it's that level of mildly amusing that fits in with the rest of the movie, you know Yeah Yeah, it's kind of joke that I think I would have liked better under different circumstances Um, if I was more engaged with the film, I think I would have found that one really funny I can Also the longer I look at this that that funny shot of the rock the more I realize that it looks like his head is about 10 times larger than his body. Yeah It really is Oh, yes, I'm gonna try to mention that one of the ways he kills one of these guys is Pulls him off the bike throws him real fast real far forward And then tampers with the bike so that it speeds off into the guy and blows up into him And the first all you have is like very technologically. Yeah adam knows how to use the bike Like yeah, man, he's super smart too. He probably would say that I could see the rock being like yeah, he's uh He's a very quick thinker quick liner Also super strong and super fast and has lightning powers and can fly He's really great. He's pretty all around it. Yeah, that's pretty good stuff Um, so then dr. Fate goes into the apartment and he's like Uh, I am dr. Fate and uncle junkus is like, oh god, how bad is it dark? He's like, I'm not that kind of doctor But don't worry because I can see the future and this isn't how you die He says, oh, how do I die? He says electricity and he goes, but I'm an electrician I think that's kind of funny. Yeah mildly amusing. Yeah, I like, uh, I can't remember his name What are we calling the jungle jungle, right? I like jungle. I like his bit where he goes. How bad is it doc? Yeah, that's kind of funny. He says I like him. Yeah, and he looks like a doctor kind of I mean, yeah, and then we know from later that p.s. Brosnan gets him onto the ship to heal him. So it's like, okay, cool Yeah, but He's like, but I'm an electrician. That's good. I like it approve So, uh Yeah, then we get um, I think Oh, yeah, this is uh, so they tell us that like jungus was saved by the nanobots stuff, but there's this conversation that happens, um we Adam smasher is like, wow, those nanobots are really impressive and nanobots is how you do your wind thing, right? And then she says the wind thing is aerokinesis And that happened because a scientist injected me with nanobots when I was 15 Then he says like, wow, that's I'm sorry And then yeah Well, I just because I wanted to get the whole thing because it's really quick. He's like, oh, I'm sorry She's like, well, no, you know, I do this down. He's like, yeah, you found your calling. I hope this is mine And that is it, um Them like his characters that's about it for the whole movie now. Yeah Yeah, she has the ability she's an airbender because she was injected with nanobots How else would it be done? Wait people say Exposition it's like no, it's just really shitty dialogue. I don't even I'm not even aiming for expert I'm fine with them explaining to us what the hell's going on But to say like, oh, yes nanobots. That's how we're healing this man in front of us right now And also why I control the wind. It's like, I'm sorry Excuse me And it's like, oh, oh, yeah, you probably don't understand. I was injected when I was 15 by a mad scientist. You're like I do You just dumped a movie on me god Wow, and then you know, what do we do like that's hers. What do we do for him? He's like, I'm hoping this is my calling Okay That's it for uh, those two more or less and I would go as far as saying that's almost unacceptable It's like these two deserve better than that the characters come on Yeah, and they're like main characters. They're part of the main superhero team And then you go back to Yeah, two nano machines, son Uh, you have lady who's really upset because the sun's taken and then p.s. Brosnan's like your thoughts are better spent on things You can change not those. You can't we will save amon. It's what we can do or what we will do or something I was just like that's that's better You do you have to sound like like this won't be with my relationship with this film's dialogue I'm oftentimes I'm like and then I'm like, okay The writers were were Intermittently somewhat talented Well, I was looking at it. I think I think there are three writers. So I do wonder if maybe one of them is good One of them is okay It turns your line adam then arrives blasts through the fucking roof and Dr. Fay is like, I suppose you didn't have doors in your day. He says of course we did. That's how he entered rooms which This it's Like it makes it makes me think it's like I get because he's like, uh, yes, that was called sarcasm And it's like, yeah, but why isn't he entering places normally? What is with this guy? Like he just loves property destruction Strangemen, um, yeah, it's a funny it's a funny enough line going ha ha you you don't understand things It's like a fucking course we had doors, but then the earlier scene where he just walks through the wall and actually like Like that's where I mean, I feel like the joke would have worked in other context It doesn't really work here because it's like, but does he understand doors? Like Doesn't seem to but like, all right. It just seems it just seems to imply that he does that. He's just a dick Yeah, I guess that's better Because uh hawkman drops in two guys ready for interrogation, but lady starts beating them up Like just give him a little slap and stuff And so adam looks at a hawkman and docked fate and he's like, okay I've learned in this modern world that we shouldn't hurt our prisoners. We must treat them with dignity and respect They're both like And then he just grabs them and flies up into into space That's probably like I don't know the closest I've come to at this point in the film to be in like You know adam's like a little bit more aware and Fucking around but at the same time I'm trying to figure out if there's something I'm enjoying there Is that what's happening? I don't know. It's like Uh, or is it just tolerable most of the time? I'm just tolerated. I'm like, yeah, that's there Yeah, with me I was just I was caught up on the sarcasm thing because all I could think was like, you know sarcasm is not a new invention like this My mind went immediately went back to Ancient sparta and how um, it was like one of being very quick-witted was one of the characteristics. I was really valued in that culture It's just very strange that they're doing the fish out of water thing with him not understanding sarcasm Which just it doesn't feel right That makes sense um Any problem is With the way this film's written for a moment I could be convinced if I were in this universe like oh no They had doors they've had doors for a while dude that they feel like oh like a character I could believe a character is like when did doors get invented like a year 1000 maybe Why not? Why not? Um, so he drags them all the way up and he and they end up in a storm There's like a full-on lightning storm going on and the first thought I had was like Oh, this will be a cool like, you know the longer we're here the more likely you guys are to be struck by lightning Which isn't gonna do shit to me, but it's gonna fucking annihilate you guys That's not the scene he drags them up there with the threat of dropping them I was like, so why is there a storm? Uh, because it looks cool Is that literally it because we did the the dropping thing because it looks cool get fucked Remember like 10 minutes ago He did the thing where he dragged them up and dropped them and hawk man had to drag grab them Why is there just a storm cloud suddenly in the middle of this like bright sunny day? Okay, but then secondly hawk man flies up to him to be like, don't you dare drop them? That man is like wearing a full-on metal He's like a pipe like it shouldn't he get struck by lightning immediately He'd think so I was just I was waiting for it to happen But uh, it just doesn't the fact that it's a storm. It's literally just to look cool. There's nothing to do with anything I was like, oh, okay And then the other thing is that he's holding the two of them He says i'm not going to drop them going to drop one of them And he says the the first person to start talking lives And so he's uh, one of them says Uh, I'm not telling you shit. And so he drops him then the second one sees that happen He goes, oh, okay. They're in a desert. They're in uh, blah, blah, blah They're there's a that he just drops him in the middle of explaining like where the kid is I thought that was so fucking weird because like uh adam then takes that piece of information He got to the lady and then the lady's like, oh fortress in the desert. I know what that is Yeah, it's like probably could have found out where that was from the guy who was telling you everything that you just dropped him for no reason like He might have had more to tell you about how well it's guarded or something if you asked Yeah, you know Weird and then dr. Fate is like you said you wouldn't hit the prisoners and he says that was sarcasm It's why I was technically just a lie Which got a lot out of my cinema So Yeah, that was one of my I think that's one of the better ones Yeah Like you see what happens there is that they switch schwarzenegger films for a second from t2 to commando Oh, that's a good great one Yeah And then hawkman's like I told you to stop killing people He says I did it your way. I waited until you were there to save them And then dr. Fate says he has a point No, he doesn't and I was just like dude, what are you doing? What are you staring the pot bro? Oh, yeah, that was totally the good thing you do the meme Um, that he's a good man And then adam's like you call yourself a hero yet You'd let these people go free to hit more in the future and for a moment in the summer I was like, oh, we doing we doing the thing we doing it. We doing one of those things Oh, and then hawkman is like heroes don't kill people And then I'm pretty sure this is the trailer thing, right? He just goes I do Oh my god, grandpa. He's cool He's your edgy And then they fight So hard they knock out where the crown was hiding which is incredibly convenient, but whatever Fine They happen to move there, but this this at this point by the way, I was just like what is hawkman power set Is he a stronger superman because good god damn meant to be He uh, he tanks fucking everything from black adam and keeps I respect the whole like a lot of people bringing up They nailed the part of him that he never gives up and it's like, you know, I got that They even say that in the movie. Um, it's just that it's it's not as impressive when he's just apparently invincible Uh, yeah Yeah, my my whole mind kind of glazed over during that fight because I knew nothing was going to happen No to either of them even dr. Faith in it knew he didn't care He was he's teleporting around the room avoiding them, which I thought was fun as well Uh, I'm here on wikipedia on hawkman's page and it even says in the powers and abilities things hawkman is known to have Slightly enhanced physical strength. Oh slight He's a strong boy in this one, which is fine, but you know Little more than slight Hmm He also has a his little weapon. It's like it can like phase into different weapons It didn't look like it was mechanical. It looked like it was magical, but I wasn't sure kind of yeah It had that yellowy glow about it that mace At this point the dcu definitely doesn't give a shit. It's like whatever Sorry, I I fucking went over it without even probably they healed the gunshot wound to the gut almost instantly with nanobots Like oh, yeah, that might just revolutionize the medical industry No, no, it's just like Wakanda. We're gonna keep it to themselves Because they're cunts kind of It's unacceptable, but like they'll they'll probably I imagine that's what the justice society would be like They're like, you know, this is our tools and we don't know we can't just we can't just we can't just give that to a hospital That would be crazy. That would be madness. It needs to be our special thing that we do We want to feel good about ourselves going around the world saving one person at a time. Yeah, we deserve it. Alrighty Chunk chunkel deserves it the the regular human. I'm glad they spent it on chunkel Especially because the justice society is like apparently two people Maybe oh another good joke I'm staked on it now. It's too late for me like to say that. I hope this is a good one because I'm pretty I I'm I'm gonna go as far as saying this is one of the best ones Uh, they they're all meeting up again. They've got the crown And they read out the thing that says life is the only path to death And uh, p.s. Brosnan, it's like seems a little obvious could could it maybe have another meaning an adab smasher says Well, how about life is short and you gotta Gotta hold on to the ones you love And there's like a gap and then hawkman just goes stop like Okay, his delivery is better Uh, but I thought it was pretty funny because like they're all Like what fucking bullshit nod says is this has nothing to do with the crowd. It doesn't help us in our mission He's just saying a thing Yeah, that's why I find it It was a music It was mildly amusing Uh We're the rest of the 19 members. I'm assuming the justice society we did go over this It's like two members. If not one It seems to just be hawkman and that he employed two children off the street and some old dude Who's friends with from a war that they dropped the old dude for retirement essentially That was the vibe. Yep Um, so they agree. So yeah, the the crown right is what leads to like, you know, hell on earth or whatever Potentially and so they want to like get rid of it or put it in a vault, you know That sort of thing while she says no, he's got my son And he wants the crown so we'll use the crown to get my son Very much like a Um, we've been through this before on a couple of other things. I think Is one I'd reference but I don't want to um, but It the scene doesn't very much in it. It's kind of what I'm getting at She's like You all need to work together to use this crown to get my son back When p.s. Brosnan's whole thing is like that crown is incredibly important And we need to keep it the fuck away from evil people And she's just like no when they go, all right, we'll go save the sun She's like I don't think so. I don't think so at all. No It's funny as well because she picks up the crown and hawkman is like, hey, give me back the crown It's like you mother You guys are like hyper strong and fast. There's no way she's just teleported out of her Dr. Fate can wave his hand and teleport items away or to him like the They just pretend that they don't have these powers sometimes. Oh, she's holding it. She might throw it away or something. I don't know how scary uh Oh, yeah, the they're gonna go try and get the kid and then hawkman's not liking this plan And dr. Fate says to him a wise man once told me a bad plan is better than no plan It's funny because this is even worse now. It's like you have the crown like what No Um Yeah, and then hawkman says he's a murderer Kent and if he turns on us that kid is as good as dead And that really to me was like that is not the primary issue The primary issue is the crown falling into the wrong hands. We've been over this The kid dying is what's gonna get sacrificed. That's the idea, right? But now we're like, no, we'll save the kid I don't know. I really feel like I I understood what the characters wanted more than the person right in the dialogue did Um, and it gets confusing when that sort of thing happens So anyway, hawkman's like who's gonna die on the mission? Clearly someone's gonna die. Who is it and uh He says when it's time for you and I to say goodbye, you'll know or I can tell you is that there's still time to change the future These these are the these are the neutral lines. I was talking about sort of like, yeah Yeah, that's a very good meme Oh Good times So they arrive and they start making a plan and rags. Do you remember how you felt at this point? Um, incredibly disinterested with no, uh, Oh, okay. It's the other way I felt I'm talking about they so think of the plot they arrive at the fortress and they start devising a plan Yeah, I do remember I do remember this moment because this is at the big quarry place. Yeah. Yeah, you you were like Why are they devising a plan? Just go You guys are all like black adam is yeah. Yeah, two people who can pretty much teleport in an hour Yeah Like I while I appreciate your willingness to create a plan I feel like in this sense a bunch of mooks with submachine guns are probably not going to pose Much of a threat considering that you're all basically impervious to all damage So and so I think it's even worse. Dr. Fate can just poof poof and you'll have the kid What is the problem here? What is tough about this situation? And uh, yeah, so they start devising the plan talking about for a while and then black adam just fucking rushes and destroys everything And they're like, oh, and they play it for a big old joke because it's funny that they're trying to but I'm just like well He's right You know and the more time you spend not saving the kid Jenkins Yeah, pretty much. Um until he bumps into a energy shield made of eternium stuff None of nobody can get through it, but I was just like can doctor fate can he teleport through it? You teleport through it? What if he cloned himself 40 times and just kept punching it? Yeah, I could do it very true Um, oh, that's that's where the other pop song is by the way really well placed and not at all cringe Yeah, the saint's road 3 does way through the quarry Um, I don't know the name of the song But uh, I recognize like I said, I think I probably do recognize it from saint's road 3 of all the place Uh, so anyway, they all arrive It's kind of awkward to adam like smashes through fucking everything Then appears at the shield and then it like cuts and all of them are at the shield. Like did you I didn't look at them on time. Yeah, they're just sort of here. Yeah. It was is a little confusing And um, they start bickering and evil man is basically like give me crown and I'll give you kid And so the lady's like, hmm, and then I kind of just dr. Fatal hawk remember That's like we don't have the crown and she's like, yeah, I do. It's right here. Hello. This is the crown and they're like, what the fuck and then uh black adam is like Dr. Fate hawk man, this isn't your son. This isn't your country. You don't get to make this decision. It's like you Hell on earth you moron Not hell on kandak and even if it was hell on kandak alone. That's enough reason to be like, uh, no I don't want any part of hell on this planet. Exactly. Yeah It's it's treated as such a like. Yes. Let the mother decide. What is the fate of his son also? It's like, hello fate of the world. What are you doing? No, he's bad. Yeah, it's really stupid, but he makes the choice I feel like his character would just take the choice into his own hands Yeah, probably I do think that as well. Yeah, he'd just be like, no, I'm making this choice. Sorry Um, he does everything basically the entire movie As he is saying by the way, not your son, not your country, not your decision to make, um How do you imagine she can pass the crown over? Right? How does she get it to the bad guy? He's probably gonna need to stop the shield to let her in, you know And then re re re put it up and and that's literally what he does It goes down for a couple like seconds and then he puts it back up again. It's like wow Adam you can travel like the speed of speed of the speeding speed Fucking thought Just go and and doctor fate is obsessively trying to get at this crown too and it's like you can teleport my dude Yeah, just grab it. Go get it yank it out of him Pause him with your your little prisony glass shards that you know, hold people in place. Oh, well Oh, oh, yeah, he's got it an evil man just starts like monologuing about how evil he is And he's gonna be so evil and he's gonna take over the whole evil with all the evil And then aims his gun at the kid and I think you at the time rags were like, wait, why why why and um The the bigger part to Glue you in on something that's weird is that he opens the shield up as well It's like, why would he do that? It's like, oh, well, he looks like he wants to die Which no character puts together I always because uh when I first saw it. I was very confused about that I didn't know why the shield went down But they do show him closing it himself and then all of the heroes get to do shit about it And it's like nobody brings that up that he took the shield down himself Why do you think he did that? Think about Man But anyway, super evil and so he threatens to kill the kid because he's trying to provoke adam into killing him And he's successful adam does a spot on rage and he blows up because he's so angry that this is all happening and uh you have It's a big old slow motion. Um, it's kind of sometimes a bit funny because some of the faces people make in slump I know they want it to be badass, but some of them kind of like Yeah, sometimes Sometimes you just want things that can't happen Adam smash and protects wind lady Doctor fate protects the kid and hawk member attacks the lady because adam just explodes and like essentially vaporizes woman and that's when adam realizes That he shouldn't have the power that he has he's out of control Which I think if we match that with the part earlier where doctor fate saved the people from him exploding it there It's like, yeah, you know what there you go. That's enough references and It's uh, it's a part of his history. We find out pretty soon enough. So he's willing at this point to understand he's uh, he's he's kind of out of control He's a big old it's a big old weapon and eelman's dead anyway, right? They got him Even though his skeleton is like holding the crown just kind of But he gives his backstory finally adam get the the true backstory not the fake one they told us in the beginning True one is His son from that opening That was that was that wasn't him. That was his son He's super cool and heroic and became a shazam person and then Uh, I guess in response to him doing cool shazam things The villains killed his mom and his dad at the time, which would have been the rock guy Only they didn't well they tried for some reason they really hurt him. They didn't kill him They killed the mom But they injured the rock real bad kill him Which man if they had actually this would have changed the whole story, but They didn't and so the son in an attempt to save the dad passed the power on to him With the whole shazam thing and I forget if they made these rules in uh in the shazam movie Because uh, he duplicates the power over right doesn't doesn't transfer it Yeah duplicates In uh, which by the way, I'm I'm less of a fan of I actually really prefer the idea that you could pass it over not duplicate it Yeah Seems like that could be a little bit broken. I'm a Yeah, uh, he passes it over to his dad his dad is saved and then he is sniped By an archer. I think it goes right into his heart killing him instantly And so uh the rock With his new found powers rages the fuck out and annihilates all of kandak That is the actual history and then the wizards imprison him because of that Okay, uh thoughts thoughts and feelings on this. Well, what are we out? What do we have? Mm-hmm Really Okay, well, you know, that's controversial, but I'll allow it All right. Well, yeah, okay. I'm very confused So I just described his entire backstory and asked for your thoughts. I didn't realize that was so confusing I didn't catch it. Oh, I'm sorry. I'll just I'll do it myself Fucking fato style. I think this backstory is pretty okay. I don't actually hate it. I think it's kind of neat I don't think there's any reason to dislike it. I don't really think that there's anything like that's totally wrong with it or flawed Yeah, it's fine It function would be the most important thing to say about it, which is Not high praise, but you know Well, I'm gonna have to preface. I have no idea what his actual backstory from the comics is Okay, so if it's much worse than that fine, but I I'm just going from what they told me in this and so Uh, it reminds me of kratos. It's unconventional I like the idea that the power is passed on to someone to save them but they're probably not the fucking guy for the job and uncontrollably detonate several times and kill a whole bunch of people as a result of it that simultaneously Don't really care too much to Be a hero, but at the same time, you know, they're not like an evil person You know, there's this there's something going on there and at this point I was like, you know I get it the whole like he's not like other heroes thing because this is Definitely like he's kind of in his own camp at this point Because he's not even punisher doesn't really even count like this. This isn't the same thing Because he's not really motivated to like save the world. He's kind of just around he has power and he hates some people But he's also not evil, you know, that's like there's a different thing that they've got going on The unfortunate thing is that he's played by the rock and I like the rock, but I don't think this works Uh, no, that's my problem. I mean, you don't think it works in terms of his performance Well, because he I mean, I'm assuming it's pretty much agreed upon but like he didn't play a character here He's pretty much the rock played the rock. Yeah, normal. I was He's kind of like Standoffish more alien. He likes a rock with an alien variable, which is not at all what they told us this character is AI generated I think uh before the film came out. There was a well founded perspective of Dwayne Johnson as a black atom. Hmm. And I think after the film it's like Yeah Like maybe this wasn't the best choice to play this character That's probably fair to point out how incredibly inconvenient that they Got him right after he gave up his power as if they knew that was something he could do and would do I don't know. Maybe that was a trap and they were hoping he would do it, but then that really didn't work out for them, huh? No, it didn't last to the entire Yeah, so this is definitely a weakness in this somewhere. I just need to figure out exactly what everyone's up to in that scene So I have a couple problems with the backstory and how it lines up with his characterization That go a little bit beyond his just sort of lackluster performance I think The movie tries to frame it at least a couple times in the movie tries to frame it like Oh, so his character is motivated by revenge that's frame him destroying the evil king is that The problem with black adam and what makes him not a hero is that he is motivated to he's he's not motivated by justice He's motivated by revenge But then with this twist in his backstory that he wasn't the son Who was the revolutionary wanted to be a leader for everybody? I just I don't They feel like different people to me um because I I'm just confused To maybe help you out something. I'm starting to realize in real time is It seems like a really good opportunity Narratively to have You have a character who wanted revenge and he got it and now he's in this world What's his what's he gonna do? What's his plan? Like he's so he's so divorced in terms of time from the thing that created him What what exactly is you know, what is he what's left for him to do? Is he totally empty? You know like that he just he doesn't really have much for life in general Like is he hyper apathetic? I don't think we get a good grasp of how He feels about all of this now and what he's going to do moving forward Yeah, I was gonna say I find all that much more interesting than with what they conclude on this movie But I still think they they conclude on something they do. It's just that I don't they do. Yeah, it's just not very not great Because okay, so part of it is that his performance anyway, or at least his direction Makes it such that like while he's going around kind of obliterating people in the beginning He's more or less kind of confused or at least apathetic. He's not He's not a rage monster in any sense. He doesn't seem motivated by vengeance. He's just kind of killing people That's actually What a fair thing. I think that we he wants to play the hyper subtle rage man, which is basically no rage Like compared to crazos There's basically no rage at all and then the movie I think I can't remember any specific lines right now But I think the main woman Makes some passing lines about how he's fueled by rage and vengeance and things like that Well, I can help you there Hawkman says that the legend said that his rage almost destroyed kandak and then the woman echoes that while talking to him But I guess the thing is is in what direction now the rage fueled him to destroy kandak, but now what? Like that's kind of that should have been the question of the film is like now What do I do? I did what I I lost the thing that I valued and then I got my revenge now what? Like that's probably what should have been about if we were going to explore We've got a character who he gets He gets like one, you know, you know used by some kid basically Yeah, like all about that like what is his Does he I mean here would be a really important question What does he so he can't about we don't know if he I guess he didn't really care about kandak in the past Is there any reason why he would now and if so why and I get the impression the film would be oh Well, there were good people there. It's like yeah, but there would have been good people in kandak back then So what change they try to steal that old man's attorney. I don't think why have we concluded he didn't care about kandak Uh, oh, well, I mean I I don't I mean he basically encouraged his son not to like be a hero for kandak Oh, that wasn't because he doesn't care about anyone there No, no, no Yeah, maybe maybe what I mean is it's not that he doesn't care but that he's not motivated enough That he would go out of his way or put himself in peril to save it You know like well, yeah, but I think there are Yeah, he embraced it now because he's got the he has that moment of his son telling him to And then you have and to be fair what dr. Fate says there's some things that dr. Fate says in his final speech To him that I quite like I think we'll go over it when we get there almost Say There's some stuff Yeah, I guess the one thing that what the threw me about the change in his backstory is that it seemed that Most of the first half of the movie was kind of setting up this idea that okay, you are a You're oppressed by these, you know a tyrannical king or some sort of foreign power and like you're like What do you do like it setting Distinguishing between a hero and a villain in that sense being the person who's motivated by vengeance and the person who's motivated by justice It's sort of a dichotomy that they imply in the first half of the movie And then when they when they change His backstory such that he wasn't that kid at all. He was the guy who said oh keep your head down That's how you'll stay alive Then he's motivated by vengeance Specifically for them killing his son But then like like pretty he said like now that he's here. I don't understand what he wants at all Really, that's what the I think I think as we sit here and talk about this The way to make black adam a more interesting film is to put a lot more thought Into that question Black adam he was a man who essentially failed and the opportunity to be a hero in the past And instead that caused him to get very angry and it destroyed Kandak kind of and it destroyed him and now he is like 5000 years removed from that event Not in terms of his personal, you know feeling on it right because it would have basically been yesterday But the reality is that he now has these feelings that are rooted in something that felt very recent to him That are totally irrelevant now like in terms of the broader machinations of this world And that this is like the the struggle that he has to deal with the thing that is upsetting him And the thing that's holding him back Is like long gone He needs to figure out how he's going to maneuver through this world. What he's going to value now Uh how it comes about and like that should be the struggle is basically finding a place in this and I think that the film would say Well, yeah, that is what the film is about it's about black adam figuring out what his place in the world is But all I would say is I don't think that that comes through very consistently in the film And what it does I don't think it's particularly strong like this is actually wandering around for his first time I'm getting a little bit upset because like I feel like there's a really good story Here with what you even the premise itself that there's a really good story here that they didn't identify um Damn because like we've had like people get given power that they didn't necessarily want But this is slightly different of you didn't necessarily want it, but yeah, I'm happy to have it Like there's a lot going on here. That's like different. Yeah Yeah, exactly. It's a uh, it's an archetype that actually isn't very present Amongst the roster of dc characters But just having him be like a slightly edgy superhero that makes him very That doesn't make him very unique at all Fuck there's like a story there and that would be really cool to contrast against Hawkman in a much stronger way Hawkman knows what he wants to do like he has an objective and he he works towards it and he's very determined to do it But black adam doesn't have that Maybe that can be something that he struggles with Maybe that's the kind of guidance that maybe that's where the guide because I think by the end of the film I'm not sure what I would say in terms of the resolution between black adam and hawkman But maybe that was the opportunity is that from hawkman he can gain some He can gain perspective Essentially that he can find some motivation to fight So it's like, oh, you know in a world that's filled with so many shitty things that happen What motivates you hawkman? And then he just gives him like his core motivation and maybe that's something maybe at the end of the day It's that black adam may not gain the methodology of hawkman, but he gains similar motivations Like a motivation that's more altruistic and rooted in in something that is um Unshakable damn. All right, I'm getting a little bit sad now I feel like I even mean that story specifically But I feel like there's a story that was that was there that they didn't identify I mean, there is rare that will come across him in this like unsalvageable, you know No, I don't think this film is unsalvageable at all There's potential. I just don't think it was realized So he gives himself up and uh, they head over to I don't know. It's like task force x black site prison place and uh, hardcourt shows up because she's day and james gone and uh Why else is she there? It's kind of funny to think because uh, we were we were talking about this before it's like Uh, by dating the guy who's now in charge of dc It's unfortunate you got hardcourt because at this point He's probably gonna give you something bigger and it's like you'll make her bigger You'll push hardcourt into like all these films Ah nice Not even shots fired. It's like I imagine that she would probably even I mean, they would both have probably agree. Yeah, they have a healthy sexual relationship I imagine and they're probably like each other fair amount. That's normal thing. So it's fair enough Um, yeah, we're curious if she ends up leading the justice society. All right, let's see. Let's see Hardcourt she'll get laser eyes All right laser Um Yeah, and then uh piece rosen says show you can handle it and she says you're the one who can tell the future You tell me if we can't And I don't know it's something about that line clunked as fuck to me Yeah This there's a way better way to say what that line is instead of that. That's like so badly written Why can you get james gun to write it? He probably would come up with something make him write everything Um funny that the first time I heard it say I was confused I was like The point is that he could tell the future that he'll know right? That's what you try to say I don't know the words you used I got lost by the end of it You couldn't yeah, I saw just said it's like you could have just had to say why don't you tell me like and That's it because because he can tell the future. We know, you know He watched the film Um And then as she's walking off she says, you know, they say the gods created us, but we always end up burying them Um Okay, shut up now, please. So I was I was like first of all Are you talking about superman and that's it? He came back Yeah, he came back from the dead and also he could destroy the earth if he wanted to Our superman's not a god. He's an alien. He's a man. He's a man not my god Hey, ah, that's the reference Jesus But then kandak man isn't a god either. That's just a dude who was bestowed powers by wizards Isn't that like known? I thought that was like a thing in the texts and stuff So what does she even say what like shut up? Stop it geez um, so then the kid the kid a cape And it's really cute and he stands in the mirror looking at him with a cape and the wind kill makes the cape flap And I legit was just like is this actually just for children to say wow black adam makes me feel like I could be a hero Oh, I don't know what else is for This kid is so like jaded about I know Someone needs to shoot this child I wasn't gonna go that far, but I can see how he got there because he was all friendly and right and his annoying mouth on his cape on his cape fuck the cape I can't believe he's riding around on a skateboard wearing some goofy cape with a fucking sweater tied around his waist Save your hatred for his worst moment in the whole film. We're almost there So anyway satan arrives Yeah, so anyway satan arrives always an important plot point that cannot be it's It's quite funny Evil evil evil bad Died with the crown because he figured out that that's the way it's supposed to work You need to be killed while holding the crown to access I guess super crown satan mode And it's so funny because I don't fucking know. I don't care. They read the thing in a mirror or something Um, they so you have this really like, you know, you go to the wizards and there's like this mystical place and they Shoot their wands at you and you go, oh, I'm powerful now They try and make the equivalent underworld vision and he like wakes up and he's like upside down It's like raining, but also his fire and brimstone everywhere that these like horrible demon creatures are like Bah, you are the new king of the demons What the fuck is going on? I love the idea that he thought he was dealing with like king of the demons Those are like like he maybe didn't realize what he was getting This like we've been wondering who that fucking thing's been to five thousand years How the fuck did you get it? Where was it behind the sofa? And one of them says to him take the throne and unleash hell on earth And I was had to pause from one way. I was like does he want that? You want that? Also, you can't do that yourself. I get oh, no. I want to rule like a nice place and like no I know that he uh, he wants power, but why would you want to unleash hell on it? Doesn't he like earth? No, it was a swimming lava. Yeah, there's a beam Sorry, this might be the time to mention that this villain is incredibly thin Oh, that's kind of where I was leading into. I was like, what is his motivation again? It's like power I guess And power corrupts and all that Well, yeah, because the character that is satan isn't even close to the guy that we've met in this movie So like he's like a new character We can talk about him soon because he has some credible dialogue. He has some ant man in the wasp No, not fucking it is that man Oh jacket, I'm gonna disintegrate. He has some yellow jacket level dialogue. Yeah, that's the top notch die It's insulting to me Do you think something like I'm gonna kill everybody you love or something like that? Yeah, he Because he's evil man. He is evil man. The sheep turns into goop and he's like, all right next sheep That's evil. Yeah That was way worse than when he turned that actual human being into goop Oh, yeah, it's interesting when the guy who gets the mirror version of black adam's powers that he just turns into a different person entirely Yeah, basically Are you excited for how ant man and the wasp of quantum mania? They're going to be going to a place that is smaller than particles, but they can breathe. Yes So excited they shrink They're in the quantum realm Can fall on them and crush them to death What is the temperature in the quantum realm like is that is that Oh, it's really cool. What is the nature because I don't know if you've seen the trailer rags, but like there's a whole civilization in the quantum realm Like a whole civilization There's a bunch of aliens and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and and kang is and bill Murray's in there too So that's like in universe bill Murray You got Murray's just chilling out. I shrunk down to the size so that I wouldn't get thrown out of a window by a ghost He went to the quantum realm to escape ghost buses 2016 Wouldn't you Yeah, maybe I don't know if I could halt him for that You know marvel is uh There's always a new thing because we're in black panther It's going to be there was an underwater civilization that didn't care about that Now it's going to be that there's a whole civilization that lived in the quantum realm And kang was there just hanging out was Well tiny k um Anyway, dr. Fate is like man I was trying to avoid a horrible future, but by locking away adam It didn't change anything And he says my vision has always showed me a world in flame, but we can stop it Uh, and he looks at mr. Mr. Hawkman. He's like, but you're gonna die And then he says, oh, you should have told me sooner. I have no fear of death He's like precisely why I didn't tell you the world needs you which um It's interesting in my head because I'm like does that even line up like telling him he's going to die wouldn't change Fate of him die like like oh, maybe I well, I guess it doesn't right because you just told him exactly like, um That's kind of where I was going to go this is calling, you know It's a bit 555 explain my issue with that line It's just that it's him saying well, I have no fear of death and he's like that's why I didn't tell you And it's just like that doesn't really You see what I thought they were doing there is because hawkman's supposed to have this reincarnation thing going right So I thought they were going like oh they're leaning into that with the I have no fear of death line Because I'll just get reincarnated into another life or something but that never comes up again I think it's just that he isn't afraid of dying. He's a super brave boy And he's just fine. That's fine. Whatever. I've done it before um Um, and I know it was kind of funny to breeze past it, but I do want to talk about how they discover The the correct way to read. Oh, yeah, I sorry. I've done it sort of weirdly and I've said we're not quite there yet because that's a Yeah, it's too because one last thing for this scene is that uh Uh, the doctor fate says, um You know, I remember seeing my first aeroplane raf Deployment heading to the western front. Everyone came to see them off, but I didn't cheer I knew where they were going even as a boy. I knew what awaited them I've lived longer than I could have hoped for and the scene changed more than I could have ever imagined I'm still a sentimental old fool. I just don't want to see my friend die. I was like, oh, I like that I like all really like Yeah, yeah, where was the films leading into that line? I want more Well, I just want more of this guy is like this is that's super interesting You've been around for that long you've before you even got the hell But you you you're a person who has a bit of perception about where things are going and what things are going to happen And you have opinions about it that are uncut that are controversial is like, oh, there's a whole movie. Yeah, you're right There's a whole fucking movie there. What are you doing? character Out of this getter here. Yeah, also his delivery is is great. Um, oh, yeah So, yeah, uh next next thing is is that so go ahead captain. Yeah, the how do they find it out? Oh, okay, so they're they're trying to determine what the line could mean What's the line? They think it is at first that life leads to death or something like that and then They're spitballing and it's like, oh, well, maybe it's like backwards or something and then out of nowhere this expert in their The this country's lore is like, oh, they have a mirror dimension. So maybe we have to look at it in a mirror I think I think it's even worse than what you just said like the hell is like reversed or something Wind lady, I think opens with saying Maybe he read it in a mirror Like for no reason at all. She just says it that way Oh, yeah, maybe that's oh my god, that's it. Oh, that makes sense that he would just read it in a mirror really if you think I think so But it's it's so strange because it's if you think about the sentence life leads to death or whatever it is Like you you don't literally read it backwards. You just replace the two words at the beginning in the end Yeah, but have you considered the kandakian proverb? Backwards leads to forwards There you go I mean, I guess you have to assume the word order is Strange that it allows for that but okay fine So they yeah, like anyone taking a blot and it's like insula magna asked What do you mean island big is that's fucking retarded They detect big evil I think the ship even says like prince of demons detected or some shit like that. I remember Yeah, that's like we detected demon What the hell? Yeah, he pops up out of the ocean And the scanners were calibrated to demon Um, and so yeah, they I'm of the demon and like how on the nose it is with pentagram upside down pentagram on this chest Oh, it's ridiculous and I love how they just they just head over to him and stop shooting at him with a machine gun They're just that's just what they do. They're just like, I don't know. He looks pretty evil Don't tell me this guy's not evil. Come on. Go on. Yeah Uh, it does nothing And then he like Brabs the part of their ship that disconnects that they are in and tosses that over into the city and the other part goes into the water And they fucking crash through I don't know if that place has been evacuated at this point for all the bullshit that's been happening But they would have killed a shitton from that part not their fault. They were thrown but still it just You always expect like maybe they'll have one shot where you can just see the bottom of the ship Where it's just covered in flesh and blood from all the people they splattered across the floor Blood of the shield damn it. It's there. Oh, yeah, that was never blood before not like many The real tragedy is the bark is not shazam backwards Um, and yeah, so they all get out. They're ready to fight And it gets like a tight shot on satan and he delivers one of his lines, which is now prepare to die Yeah, and I was just like, oh I will kill you with my evil. That's what you need to do beat again boss. I will steal your do For the last time Today's I can't you're such a bitch This is point part where dr. Fate is like doing his Stine up against bad fight satan Then it cuts over to the kid. He's like, where's uncle kareem? It's like shut the fuck up I'll just watch pierce Brosnan fight satan. Why would I want to watch you running around complaining about everything? I think that you even can begin to compare to pierce Brosnan. Exactly What what folly Here's Brosnan as dr. Strange you the fake fuck you you twat kid you damned fool Uh, so they're all like trying to beat him up satan and They vaguely look like they're getting somewhere and then he goes invisible And hawkman is like activate infrared and then he's like come on satan. What are you doing come out? You you be a little dick Should have activated in for dead Is satan dead he died and came back as well. He died and came back as a zombie satan He undead I guess so I assumed so because he died and came back from hell, right? I assume that puts you underneath the broad umbrella that is undead Because vampire like you know, they're undead. Did they go to hell? I don't think so He did Not all vampires. I mean because being a vampire is morally neutral I would assume but it depends on what prick god you worship depends on your your law, right? Yeah, it's like does is does your whoever Sets the rules of these things be a god or otherwise, you know, do they think that oh, you're a you're a vampire So you're just going to hell no context necessary Well giga chad he fucks them all up beats them up. They're all getting Oh, like boom boom boom boom Real quick real quick. It's a really small nitpick But I don't like that this movie thinks that infrared means x-ray vision That's not what infrared light is. Are you a scientist? Yeah, what would you know about this? Yeah, do you have a phd in vision or x-ray? It's not x-rays. Those are much higher Are you a visionologist? Have you even used a camera? Yes Okay, fine. So that's one thing you study truthology No, but you can actually you can look up infrared photography and stuff like that. It's actually really interesting looking It's not x-ray vision. I already did. You know why I know that because hawkman did too and that's why he's right The sea is always right We haven't had a debate in a long time on this show and that's there. There you go Yeah, you got it good I am the only optical engineer here has Optical engineer so I'm the only visionologist with a master's degree in c Well, if you knew anything about cameras, you'd know that there's a whole spectrum of colors On there and when infrared refers to detecting reddish type colors and satan is like made of fire, which is red Very true And he uses it earlier to like try to look at the motorcycles to try to figure out which one the boy's in I'm just like that's not what that is Well, that's because the boy was wearing red. So he would have detected him with red Very true Ah, that's fine. It's like a Robin. This is in the director's commentary. You need to check it out. It's really good They talk about the film and why it was written Uh, or how or why it was written just in general What motivated you to put these words on the page? It's like, I don't know bet. How could you? I don't know man money. I ask myself that every day Uh So, yeah, then um, so so he beats them all up and he starts heading off and you're like, oh Where's satan going and and we'll speed ahead and come back a little bit satan's goal is to get to the throne to engage The the undead army assaulting earth. He needs to sit on the throne to have this happen. Why I almost forgot that there was an undead army I don't know why I have no idea This is clearly a matter of something got cut because when I was uh, giving it the old they'll check out with rango Um, I legit was like wait did they Did they explain this at some point that like the throne leads to the armies of the undead coming to earth? Why why it's just a It's not like a special why is this throne like so if you just if you just punch the throne and it crumbles Is that it the hell the hell armies can't be shit? Yeah, hell cannot conquer the planet earth if you destroy the ancient kandaki and throne Which luckily it wasn't in that 5000 year period of it just sort of hanging around it wasn't You know destroyed or dismantled there But those are our stakes Like you got to stop him from getting to the throne otherwise hell's on it It's like oh And then they have the shot of how you know, they've all been beaten. So it's kind of fuck now He slowly floats the ward the building with the throne did it really slowly float He wants to enjoy the world before hell takes over He just wants to take a few last moments to enjoy what he He wants to savor the sight of what he thought he was going to rule when it turns out Lull nope rivers of fire and brimstone castles and whatnot And uh doctor fate realizes. Oh boy. This is it. We're coming to the end Oh, no And uh, and then it doesn't matter, you know, because Hawkman's like whatever we're gonna we're gonna do what we can We got to stop them Then they realize there's a barrier around the the building. What's going on and it's doctor fate And he's like I ain't you guys can't come in I'm gonna go in because I didn't tell you my whole vision. I found a way to prevent your death And uh, the the clear indication being it's gonna be him that dies instead Um, and he says, uh, he's had an extraordinary life always with one foot in the future And that uh, for the first time in a hundred years, he can look ahead and see nothing and it's beautiful Which uh, I really liked Yeah Yeah, I am pro that line. It would have meant a hell of a lot more if we had like a whole doctor fate movie God that's lame And uh, yeah, and he has a big old final fight with satan that I quite like as well Uh, considering you're dealing with two giant magical beings that seeming we have infinite power I think they handled it as well as you probably can He uses all of the powers we're familiar with And he seems to be getting more and more exhausted as time goes on Which is probably the only way you can really do Character like doctor fate like that. He's got a bit of a battery Yeah, um, otherwise you just, you know But uh, yeah, he says, um, I am doctor fate sorcerer agent of the lords of order defender against darkness and chaos But even my powers can't defeat you and then Because that's that's that's pretty neat the way they do it this the the voice Pierce Brosnan's delivery and the and the design of him and the what he's he knows he's gonna die while delivering this It's kind of cool. They have the evil villain bad that said responds. There's no one that can defeat me Uh Yep Which which I am your father Which sets up uh him to say there is one and doctor fate while fighting satan wakes up adam He says you're the only one that can defeat the demon champion I think that's actually what he's called is the demon champion and it is just what a lame fucking name the demon champion They couldn't have just they couldn't have been like, ah, fuck it. We're gonna pull some Hawkman calls him sabbuck, but sabbuck is the name of the crown isn't it or something Crown of Oh, right. Okay. Well, so sabbuck belongs to demon champion. It's very simple. He's said a couple of times, but so is Do you think like Do you think they just didn't They didn't come up with a script. They didn't they also they also call black adam the champion of these people sometimes Oh, oh, you're right. There's a line that refers to both of those actually we'll we'll get to that Well, fuck it. It's it's it's relevant angel season four vibes It's relevant because we're talking about his shitty dialogue once adam comes back Oh, fuck He's like i'm i'm a fight you now and satan says to him let the fate of kandak be decided by the true champions Oh Every fucking line out of this creature Stop talking Um, so while we're talking about black adam's return, um So so i want some input on this so do we find it to be a bit bullshit that he had to Fight his way out. I haven't even and then let me summarize it then you could you could go for it So because I skipped ahead just for that line. I'll skip back So dr. Fate unlocks his his device that's keeping him in the in the black site, whatever it is and then Uh, some man attack mr. Mr. Black adam and and and then like I'll let you go I'm just gonna say that I describe as it happens many soldiers attack the non-powered black adam who has a series of devices all over him as well um He defeats all of them and then Which tries to swim away but gets shot twice. I think once in the back once in the arm or something like that And uh says shazam because he manages to just reach the surface and with his last breath has has the chance to do that And becomes superpowered again That's the summary of that scene. Why don't you why don't you go ahead with with the 17 problems? You know, so there's a there's a few things wrong. Um, and I'm trying to think of what order to do it in I guess I'll just do it. You're on which I happened Yeah, uh, so for starters, um Teth Adam was not a soldier Um, he'd like everything in this this film has been all of his action prowess has been the fact that he's just super superpowered man that can just tank bullets and things and stuff but he shows some Some some interesting competence fighting these elite trained guards Um as he's breaking out Uh, so that's a little bit bullshit little little tiny bit bullshit. Secondly, he jumps out into the ocean Um, so there's a little thing called water pressure Meaning that as soon as he jumped out there, he probably should have been crushed in like a tin can Under a hydraulic press like that. He should have just died immediately There so that's that's another problem. But there's there's there's another problem. I have with this that um it's kind of kind of um Reflects like the the nature of the scene the fact that he has to fight them as teth Adam The fact that he has to go out into the ocean, which is why doesn't he say shazam while he's in the base Are you telling me the magic lightning can't pierce water? The the magic lightning can't go down into the ocean. That's that's the limit When was this established? Why is this the case? Like it's just taken as a As a as a given that he has to go up to the surface to get to get his uh, shazammy powers back But really he could have just as soon as he broke out He could have just ripped the the thing out of his throat and gone shazam and that would have been all she wrote for that so Uh, that that those were the things that I spotted but I get the feeling there's even more wrong with it that uh, You guys might want to go into I mean, um, yeah, you pretty you pretty much You got like a lot of the main ones basically It's just a stupid sequence. Why do you how can you beat those guys? Like I don't see him beating those guys Yeah, they have guns and gadgets and armor and there's a bunch of them And you know, he's just some guy from 5 000 years ago. He's not a soldier Not to mention what the shock of the water hitting him. He's probably never been that cold in his life Um, not to mention he probably doesn't know how to swim. Honestly Uh a lot of Yeah, he looks like he lives in the desert. Who knows maybe he learned to swim in the ocean There's a kandakian pastime dumb dumb scene very well I will say Well, I think the film wanted to to to argue Was that he couldn't get that face mask off until he was already in the water And then in the water, he can't speak and so we have to wait until he's at the service I think that's what they want you to think Still doesn't I don't see why I don't see why you couldn't have just taken it off earlier. Yeah, um And then I saw someone in chat saying it's a superhero movie. Of course combat skill is a given. No No, it literally it literally is it like is that a meme? No, I think they're very upset. Um, the way so like You could even maybe see agreeing with the statement maybe in a very Shallowy way, but it's like no, there's lots of stories and superheroes stories that we need characters Who are not powered up and not skilled to make other characters Matter and mean more By comparison The whole idea with with this is that he's like a shitty slave person and then you got given incredible power to be able to fight through What Person it's it's person of slave I am referring to the quality of the the slavery like it's a really shitty situation Yeah, it's very low quality. They're a really good slaves Like Samuel L jackson and jango and chained which is very high quality slavery. This is very low quality Race as much is slavery now like it's it belongs to just one I refuse to give any particular race ownership of slavery. I'm just not gonna do it if you want to Everyone can be a shitty slave person in my world of freedom I'm in it. I'm in it when it comes to slavery. Yeah, when it comes to everyone can be slaves Freedom to be a slave Anyway, it's laving based on races. That's just it's so fucking basic like No enslave people you conquer You enslave to pay off debts. Come on. We got a pokemon count right here Absolutely pokemon are enslaved Poor little shits even if they smile I gotta chain Gotta whip Sometimes The slow slow poke tails, right they eat the slow poke tails or something That really fucked up the the shell the shells do It's just uh, oh, it's like a delicacy in one of the places or something and it's just like oh Hell world the pokemon world is yep. Yep Anyway, he gets he does it he activates like yoyo and flies away is Just shaz it. No way black adam. That's it. Shazam's a different guy Yeah Delicious tail. Yeah, it's an item that appears in pokemon golden silver. That's what I know it from here The tail of the slow poke's been cut off or removed. They considered a delicacy. Jesus Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. Wow cut off or removed Oh my good god, what does that mean? Yeah, what does that mean? It could have happened naturally. They're ripped off what they there's a whole legion of Of gourmands and they are just sitting there waiting Watching all those slow pokes out there just just ready to pounce Just in case its tail falls off or is removed in some way They're just waiting towards it like the zombies are left for dead. It just falls off and you have to beat each other off Trying No, no go away I'm saying that the French are hard working and they're passionate for their craft. That's what I'm saying. I'm not insulting You know, they like delicacies things of that sort well i don't like it's like a lizard scale where if you just hold on to it enough let's go back to the race let's go back to the slavery conversation yeah eating slow book tales is fucked too fucked up that's too real we're actually we're close to the end though i'm just just saying it's a damn thing get to that crowded sequence especially just talking about henry a little bit pretty neat but yeah uh dr fate this is the last thing he says to him is you don't believe yourself worthy because you weren't chosen but fate does not make mistakes and neither did your son which i think is pretty effective to get it motivated and probably cuts a little bit to what adam thinks of himself being that he wasn't given the power by the wizard people his son was and then dr fate's like yeah but your son believes in you man so you should go and do stuff good thing yeah yes and and yeah and i think that's sufficient to get him like oh fuck you're probably right because he has a little moment of vision themes with his talking to his son as well and his son is like hey go do stuff no you know this room seems this stuff there to make him be like okay maybe i will stop all the zombies from taking over earth maybe seems like something like um and then he says sometimes the will doesn't need a white knight it needs something darker don't you dig give up on us now the will needs you needs a black knight like what i think that one's i think that line's a little bit cringey it is it is a cringe line it is clunky and it needs to be redone i wouldn't even hesitate to say that you might not need it you might you could just cut all that yeah you're probably right yeah you need to you need to stop insisting that he's some anti hero at this point you know like i don't know i just find this movie so like confused oh you don't need to be a white knight you just need to do the heroic thing and save the world from the evil demon you know like a white knight would i don't yeah but you don't have to be motivated by whiteness you can be motivated by black wow mauler with the hard opinions i see are you you're telling me motivated by white guy from africa mauler you're telling me he's not motivated by whiteness i have no clue in africa i don't know where kandak is i thought it's in africa it's in africa at the beginning of the film i'm pretty sure oh okay another another secret african nation that's actually uh really amazing we didn't know about it the whole time and a different fictional metal that comes from there that's magical too huh crazy how about the thing is it's not really secret because it's clearly got all the modern i guess yeah i guess now it's not a secret karen was motivated by her whiteness that's where is karen too fucking chat good question he's so cool to have cyborg karen they won't there you go play in the race card again those cowards won't do it won't do it uh so anyway i mean obvious question hey what are you doing man why didn't you release him like how does your future shit work i guess you just because you should have released images ago that should have been started it sounded it feels like his plan was known like the second he was he was planning on killing it like some of the barriers like you should have been saving adam then if you had he might have gotten to in time you know yeah you should have done that quicker but um yeah a problem with a character like dr fate he's gonna be like so he knew as much as he knew in order to do the things that he did instead of doing any of them earlier or knowing any of the stuff earlier hmm yeah is there any reason for that it's like hmm you get what you get you can see the future sometimes to some degree yeah i don't know whatever i guess that's the general take with a lot of stuff that happens in this movie like i i guess that yeah that goes okay sure um and then he dies he has punched real hard and he looks up and all the other characters they all have a reaction shot to it and then he vaporizes and that is the end of dr fate yeah so much this movie hey man i i mean the very very common take is what the fuck is wrong with you why the hell did you do that uh i i'll just go as far as saying this would have been fine if we had everything is fine about like the death i think it's just that we didn't get enough of him that's frustrating yeah apparently there was a deleted post credit scene that was going to indicate that there was going to be more dr fate in the future or something but i figure there'll be i figure there'll be more doctor fate but will it be pierce brosnan probably not it won't be kent right oh maybe not damn well but i'm to be fair i'm fine with it they introduced the helmet is the thing that you know searches people out to wear it that's fine with me but we should have fuck it do a prequel movie get me a dr fate prequel movie with pierce brosnan you can de-age him fuck you do it or yeah and we don't know how a prequel where he looks that way would be totally normal probably well because he's he said he's lived for a hundred years right so yeah you can go back to the make a period piece you're like in world war two 70s 80s world war two that'd be crazy cool yeah there's this you can still do it and you can retroactively make his scenes in this better even maybe so i don't know just yeah uh he dies and i'm pretty much everybody was like he was like the one thing we wouldn't have minded taking from this movie and putting into like the universe but yeah he's the one person i wanted a solo movie from absolutely i definitely would want one i went that super sagacious cool because you see his outfits and he's got the mansion he's kind of like a professor x dr strange kind of character and like yeah more of this do this this is what do we want um and then a weird thing happens all the heroes try to bum rush satan and he deadnates and then it they're like they're all they've all fallen over when from the shot it looked like he would have killed all of them but they're all just like ah you got me i fell over okay and so he sits on his chair and it's like oh gg everybody he's that and the legions of hell are unleashed on earth and it's like holy fuck what's that gonna mean and you never would have expected it was round one on nazi zombies and that's as far as it goes it really is what a so bad is i expect i expect better from hell yeah it was really disappointing hell like what are you doing with with the big trolls or goblin armies what was that it's like you see i think a grand total like like five of them individually getting attacked and then like a group at some point that just get annihilated by a different group it was just like oh so easily too they're they're like paper i think nobody just regular folks with like baseball bats and irons and it feels like um it feels like a like some kind of cartoon show joke where you unleash all of the armies of hell and you're like what does that look like it's like well it's all the decomposed corpses all people who died so they're all useless and falling over and barely able to swing their arm or something and they just go meh they're just like oh but don't you have like demons and it's like no no demon just the one it's the one demon one whip cracking demon why don't the six evil demons why don't they show up they're all busy because they're in hell but and they can't just on earth now yeah hell's on earth it is well no the process no hell on earth is a process that has not been finished yet all right how long they can't just come to earth it doesn't matter how long it takes it has it certainly does it does not it does not matter because it's not finished yet you saying it's like it takes 27 seconds or 18 years or a millennia it hasn't finished yet so they can't come to earth because hell isn't on earth yet they have to stay in hell so what about the lesions of the damned well they can come and go because they are using a very specific in a somewhat different yet not a spell could be an explanation but they are so weak that they are able to get into earth but the powerful demons are too powerful to get into earth that's like there's a yeah if you're if you're tiny i thought it was about when it's finished not about their strength oh both it's both that's that's the glory of the whole scenario that's what's that's what's so amazing about it it's not just these things it's that they're so strong they can't just come to earth right the little guys can slip through the cracks right and they could sort of appear that's easy peasy anyone could do that except for people who are stronger which is essentially everyone else because the army of the damned is like really shit mate they're shit it's literally random people on the street with just like a pipe is gonna take on a warrior from hell you know what so it's me that's pretty straightforward yeah yeah well well my interpretation it was your enthusiasm is what did it that said yeah my interpretation is that it's like opening a mcdonald's in another country you know this isn't hell coming to earth this is opening a hell on earth so you wouldn't expect the ceo of hell to show up for the you know the the the remote hell opening surely he would for the first one though the fairies the grand opening grand opening you would think so but he's not a good ceo oh i will you well i mean we do have to remember this is hell they're probably not going to be great well i don't know maybe yeah ceo's are evil so if you yeah see there's not just a given that we could just run with so i feel like if hell's always trying to come to earth it's probably because hell the earth is better so i feel like they'd be they'd want to they clearly want something from us like a grass i want to touch it yeah i want to touch grass because there's no grass in hell because it's too hot and there's lava everywhere yeah it's been too much time online very true well they'll they fill up twitter all these zombies but once they released on on earth oh no wouldn't want that um that would be really bad yes the one thing i liked about that whole sequence because i hate all of it the zombies and them attacking it and the people and the speech like the one thing i liked was the crazy chunkle running around and they're like what are you doing he's like don't worry i die by electricity i was like that's fun i like that that is fun that is a good mildly amusing comment i approve of you know that he's a much because he waited in the car last time you know yeah he's had the park is complete what well he leaked what he waited in the car because he had a bad knee well does he not have nothing to do with it oh because of the nanobots they would have fixed up the knee would they have fuck it why not that's such great writing i love it black adam is solved writing we don't need to do it anymore than me if i saw that spawn of hell appearing in front of me with like swords and shit i'm running the other way i'm getting a gun oh i carry a gun with me that's right why is everybody got pipes nobody has any guns in the city like the city i think it's it's fair that the the people at the the insta gang or the inter inter gang they wouldn't want the people having gun you know guns they would implement gun control because they're tyrants so the people would have people would have guns they would have guns for them for the revolution no they don't have the guns because intergang said you can't no you would they would have rags as an american do you really think when someone says you can't have guns you're not gonna have guns no it's not that they just said it they would have actively pursued you not then you hide your guns you put in a badger it's eat well if you were gonna send your badger to hell you could you could shove a gun up your up your badger and send it to hell sure or through time but i don't know if they had i don't think badgers are native to kandak okay but kandak had a turnium which means they probably had time travel which yes they would have similar rules with the whole badger situation so they could still do it did they have badges in kandak that's the one last question yeah it's called eternium is it a turnium or eternium like a eternium eternium like a turn it eat yeah that makes sense for the time travel that it was called eternium because eternity is a long time what do you think of this meme in chat i think it's pretty neat oh it's the spy kid's guy isn't it i think that chocboy and lava girl oh is it that's you know you're probably right yeah i'm sorry i haven't seen i haven't seen any of the spy kids or spy kids adjacent movies i hear they're shady excellent machete i didn't see machete but i did see the brisk tea commercial of danie trejo recounting the events of machete oh yeah it was it was really good regions of brisk baby zombies oh the speech so the kid delivers a speech oh yes here we go it's like the most demonic combination of possible adr and the least giving a shit they encouraged him to sound awful they really did they were like you have to not give a fuck like otherwise we're firing you this is going to be a really good meme like that's the only way i can explain it we're gonna send you to hell he's legit delivering it like come on everyone we have to fight in order to get freedom for all of us come on let's go i wish we could play it because it's that bad it's so awful the whole thing and i don't know what they were thinking like anyone can hear that everybody i know who's talked about this movie has said that speech at the end was hideous it's like and there's a really interesting contrast because as soon as he gives the speech there's a guy a random guy in the crowd who's like yeah come on guys and suddenly he has feels like energy and emotion and charisma yeah yeah if you added if you added stuttering into that speech if it sounds like justin roland is doing it that's oh jeez oh jeez we gotta fight for kandak oh jeez work it would be come on guys we gotta we gotta fight for we got we got we got it we got it i can't but we got it we got it you want to die rags when he showed up leading the army on his skateboard with his cape yeah i repressed all of this i repressed it i want to drag it out of your subconscious it's it's happening oh my god this little skateboard kid piece of shit this little lost at the time nine piece i wanted to see him so full of energy and he's so happy and yeah i'm gonna do it i'm gonna fight the demons of hell i'm gonna go get him and he picks up a skateboard or where the fuck he's gonna use and then the first first guy comes across just fucking kills him just right in front of everyone just fucking bisects him or cuts like it the zombie some shit it hard core like bites into it just tears all the flesh apart blood guts flying everywhere yeah draw it out an un oh you know what he should get the death from dead space that shocked everybody when they finally saw his one of those creatures that knocks your head off and then takes control of your body remember that shit yeah that was like horrifying because there's a lot of cutscene deaths in dead space but that was the one where it makes you walk around and you're like let's take control of it keeps going keeps going and going let's space like a superhero or a demon child you soon list of protocols on the way to woohoo more gaming streams on the way ragnarok is the first one okay that's oh so close now guys with three days away holy moly and i've still got a lot of god of war still to play but you did the part recently that was really really cool i did really fun what do you guys think of this cancer i just found what is this i was looking at the i was looking at the dwayne johnson and the spike kids no i found something else it was it haunted me what is this so that's like a set photo or something i don't know oh no foot a is suicide squad something like that i don't know it might be a toy that might originally be in the film it says would it be amazing to see this joker batman someone unironically wants this stop it god never again joker god i really wonder who's under that mask who could it be i way prefer dwayne the rock black adam johnson as the yes lava girl monster that's way better yeah that let's let's stay with those vibes so anyway they fight um satan and and the rock and the rock wins it's not a surprise he just kills him and it's it's the one fight where i was just like just get on with it i know you win come yeah i know satan is gonna win just carry on i know satan's not gonna win you're just gonna knock his block off and it'll be great you know what i'm really annoyed that this movie like missed an opportunity to do something more interesting with the villain because okay the whole thing that they keep telling you over and over again is that uh black adam is not a hero he's not a white knight but then the villain he fights is literally just satan satan demon why couldn't it be some sort of villain who at least pretends like he's a good guy but isn't you know this is the most unequivocally evil creature that they've ever had in this universe yes like he's not even the mirror version of black adam which is sort of how they set it up you know the oh he's the evil version but if he were the evil version he would like be pretending to be good and maybe he's pretending to be a savior but he's really not so that would be the opposite it's not even a satisfying win he just splits him in half and it's like you can do that yeah okay yeah sure yes he can some might argue well no it's black adam working together with hawkman it's like no not really um no actually they just let him do it that that part with hawkman has nothing to do with the part later where he splits him in half so i don't know it's it's that just that it sort of happened uh hawkman does duplicate himself with with the helmet which is pay off post not much of one but you know okay a little bit um and yeah and roll but like yeah well that's it we're all going home it's like oh yeah we did it and uh and hawkman says the justice you dish out it can darken your soul which is it's like kind of what i expect that to be so many who'd say yeah okay fine and then lady says it's his darkness that lets him do what heroes like you cannot no he just said like he just saved the world come on so it sounds like she's saying because he doesn't have morals he can kill satan and then get satan a lawyer and put him through the justice system and try him in a criminal court of law and then maybe sentenced him to a long time in prison he just he doesn't have the he didn't have blackout of his powers there's nothing to do with his morals no dumbass fucking things to say he saved the day he was right there yeah he was the hero he did a heroic thing i don't know this movie so confused it doesn't make any fucking sense you can't pretend you know what they should have to do to make this point better uh fringy and cap both know um i'll be as vague as possible but the idea of a character having to do something morally dubious that is going to have very strong results that a good character just cannot do um yeah i know exactly what you're talking about the fucking great payoff and it's making the exact same point that i think this lady is trying to make but she's talking about killing satan it doesn't really really work bet you would walk man was doing that the whole fucking movie like what do you mean well you see i think what she's trying to say is the fact that he that they percent uh they possess a sense of morality and he does not give him an evolutionary advantage no evolution always wins oh god what's going on oh that's a reference it's a reference to a master class in storytelling adam adam sits upon the throne and i think someone says like how does it feel and he's like it doesn't feel right and he destroys it because there is no ruler of conduct they're a free people i guess yes yes he cares a lot about democracy i guess dude we barely found out anything about how conduct functions who the intergang were what like politically they mean to the world and we never will this is the most we'll ever get as far as we know it's meant to be before the evil tyrant in the flashback exposition scene the conduct has literally never been ruled as an independent country it's always been ruled by someone else so i don't would they be a democracy or would they have a black out of not wipe the whole thing out with a big old nuke like i know that they were like no well he nearly did this like so how did the histories remember him so wrong like that sounds like something you wouldn't fucking forget i don't know man like yeah we got we pretty well understand even figures from that time and what they did you know wipe out the majority of the city you were like uh yeah we're writing this down he was a prick because he said because they had that information but apparently the kandaki people didn't weird quite strange um why was the crown where it was you telling me the wizards got the crown and thought i know i'll bury it with black adam in this thing why i don't know thrown into space you fools like why would you do this it's it's collectible you have to walk into a room and it's right there yeah it's not even buried in anything like black it's not it's not in a tomb or a prison cell the way that black adam was why it wasn't something i thought about when i first watched obviously but then i was thinking about it and i was like hang on what's the point of that the wizards should destroy it or store it in their wizard temple or some shit they presented like it's a cool thing to collect in a video game yep stupid you got me um and then superman shows up yeah yo yeah where were you clock yeah this doesn't help does it um but i was happy to see him uh i i i am hopeful that we'll get something less cringe from him someday uh how will be nice maybe he's just like hey black adam you're being mean and then like oh yeah fuck you and it's gonna set up uh black adam versus superman dawn of justice it's gonna be great oh pretty cool i'm glad that all of their first meeting is gonna be off screen as well because it just cuts yeah that's right we don't get to see what they talk about there well it turns out it's kind of it was actually jessie eisenberg's lex luther that brought them together and i love bringing people together oh god why did batman vs superman happen what was that what a mess let me tell you about a man named he'll happen as well no don't tell me about it enough army the dead was enough okay oh that was so bad not even the snider fans could like if like like talk about it you know like like oh we that oh what a great movie that was i've i've seen a lot of people defending army the dead recently unfortunately why what's the point there's no point people are saying how good it is it's such a horrible shit it's legitimately a terrible movie it's one of the worst movies it's one of the worst ones yeah it's it literally is one of the worst movies actually remember they fed a guy to zombies because they wanted to just get like what do you why did they do that remember when the whole movie was blurry and you couldn't fucking see anything remember the dead pixel oh army of the dead pixel remember when there was a nuke going off or that was going to go off in like nine minutes and our characters are having their little heart to heart because remember the parachuting into the zombies all that shit was so fine man that's a whole that whole sequence is so dense that first one where we get everything that sets up why the world this by the way the one of the dead the remake one a lot of people like that's one of zack's best movies and it's like that he directed it but james gunn did the screenplay army of the dead is what happens when you give zack both of those at least who wrote army the dead was it zack and someone or was it just not even zack let's find out someone it was written by zack snider and then two other people some person named joe b herald yeah a lot of people like to forget one of the dead comes from james gunn more than it does zack's far as i'm saying this this directing stuff i like in that joe b herald wrote all six episodes of obi-wan kanobi oh my god jesus crowd does it happen and uh and the the other person who's credited as a writer on army of the dead wrote john wick three that's always i always whatever john wick comes up in like any other streaming format that efab i'm like oh right yeah everyone loves it that's right this is where the wrong people hang out it's always well because john wick four and five is hyped it's the same fucking shit as two and three again uh but this time it'll be four and there'll be a whole bunch of things you never knew about before but are totally happening now clancy brown's gonna be an assassin it should be great oh and also they're making like a spin-off right with anadamus why not well i mean of course why not you know like it's makes a lot of money why not anyway that's black adam yep yeah yeah that's black adam film it is yeah i'm mainly liking that it's like oh how cute you're kind of mostly a film and uh there's stuff i like in you and i really like dr fate and and very and and most of the stuff that i think is bad doesn't really offend me very much just there yeah yeah it's not terrible or offensively bad this is what bad used to me yeah yeah everyone movies were just normal bad instead of soul crushing universe destroying cataclysmic just just destruction fests oh those were the days so um has it gone up or down for anybody's estimations from when we first down down which is not surprising at all um it's it's gone down but i think that its placement still hasn't changed overall yeah pretty much i'm not surprised it went down once you go through it as methodically of course right it all just starts to get revealed is this uh this just there's a lot of flaws and you start to wonder oh shit there's not much praise actually damn um yeah there's still i think more to find of praise than in most of the dcu uh so uh the suicide squad is uh head and shoulders above this for character work of course yes easily easily um which i guess which black adam is number two in the dcu is it's competition justice league was that our second or something else our second i think that the competition was i think moller had it i think my competition was justice league for second place i think i think we gave it a four i don't think we did i'm pretty sure that everything except for the suicide squad was a two or three that might be true i can't this is hard to remember and recall the four that i could be misremembering damn i still think there's more wrong with justice league right oh for sure yeah yeah so yeah i guess yeah i guess it's the best one other than the suicide squad i think black adam crawls in at second best of the dcu because right i'm picturing this the equivalent of those stupid fucking hell demons just slumping over the finish line with flesh slapping the ground just like you did it you did it second place with no contest we're like propping it up on the platform at the end no wonder woman was not what number one wonder woman is deeply flawed yeah no we yes sometimes we undersell how much wonder woman once sucks ass like it i'm sorry it does go watch our efab movies double bill that's the top contender actually i'm pretty sure batman be superman was uh didn't we didn't we think the first act was like stable to some degree yeah and as it goes on it deteriorates my act through it full that's the extended edition which everyone says is like a masterpiece and if it was released in the theaters then it would have been it would have made like billions no no but it is better than the theatrical cut by quite a bit uh it's better yes it is better it is better in that it had establishing shots oh okay well no i mean like it explains how certain people get from a to b that the theatrical cut just doesn't at all so i remember that better thing yeah um so uh what's next for the dcu is the flash is it oh right shazam shazam yeah and blue beetle then aquaman i feel like shazam two is going to change nothing at all um it'll just be a movie that exists and so really it will be the flash but the flash is going to be the one that everyone's keeping an eye on we'll probably cover the flash we're probably not going to cover the shazam too the flash will be hilarious to cover because it's going to be an absolutely bonkers movie oh my god i cannot wait yeah i can't wait it's going to be such a like pr nightmare for them too i get the impression that aquaman is also going to be like nothing and maybe blue beetle maybe that'll be cool i don't know maybe blue beetle's kind of a good costume don't you guys worry marvel is coming in with Wakanda forever in just a couple days it's gonna be great oh that's that's this week we're closing out phase four we're bringing in neymour it's gonna be incredible no it's i think it's nemore if that's how it's well yeah he said he said that and i was gonna ask about that how does that work what am i supposed to say anymore i don't know how you pronounce it but well in the mcu it's nemore usually it's nemore oh but okay what happened well you see they fundamentally changed a lot with the mcu adaptation from what i'm seeing like they've just fundamentally gone with this aztec thing so they've changed a lot of stuff with him from what i can gather no wonder woman is decent no it isn't no it isn't no watch watch our watch the efat movies it's a back-to-back fun fantastic extravaganza to be loved and cherished we watch wonder woman and wonder woman 1984 whatever like that coverage is it is not the third act that destroys the film it was already destroyed it was all of them yes totally it was all of them all along wait no it isn't it is not good i would like to someone point it out in the chat and i'd like to make you guys aware of this that the new flash movie forthcoming uh written among other people by joby herald of obi-wan kenobi and here we go i don't understand why in kenobi it's not fair god damn it no it's not no it really isn't i so i did a little dive trying to figure out who the fuck this guy is uh when kenobi was coming out it's so strange his very first credit in anything ever on imdb is executive producer of edge of tomorrow which tells me this is probably in nepotism baby i don't know i don't understand i believe it totally i don't understand how that's the first credit you get is a producer on that movie it's insane and then so like his writing credits for example he only has six writing credits there's some movie called awake then king arthur legend of the sword army of the dead obi-wan kenobi transformers rise of the beast which is apparently forthcoming and the flash like that's it what a legendary resume was it's one of those things that gets concerning that one of the screenwriters i think on into the spider uh across the spider verse right uh dame what was the army of the dead that's right yeah i think so anyway it's like oh i guess i just don't nothing beats michael waldron writing multiverse of madness and then getting to write secret wars god that's going to be such a mess it's going to be terrible i'm about to try to keep track of the fucking continuity at that point and imagine if you actually gave a shit about doing that like imagine if even the person gave a shit it would still be really hard you got to be the head writer on the television show about Loki then you get to write a dr strange movie the samurai redirects and then you get to make sick write any forget the nepotism baby this is a nepotism boat i don't nepotism nest multiverse of madness made money i guess so yeah it indeed oh yeah i guess i guess the thing to round out the discussion is like what do we think that black adam is actually going to meaningfully change for the bcu going forward has changed part of what i find strange is like the rock is clearly pushing his own stuff but james gunne is also going to be trying to set out a plan and just like so who supersedes who they you know well they do they're the heads james gunne peter saffron are ultimately in charge i wonder um because he's he's got that ego he does but uh i guess it depends on if zaslav who he will defer to right will be them it probably will be them right because he picked them i imagine so it's the rock dude i don't know if this movie is performing quite so well that they're just gonna do whatever he wants you know what i mean yeah it's yeah it's as i understand it it had a pretty significant drop off in the second weekend so right now it's it's at 262 million i guess we're gonna find out this weekend but remember the film costs 200 million dollars so like what that really means is that it probably needs to make like 600 700 million to be a success i would be my my guess and as i understand that second weekend is now tracking with shazam which costs a lot less to make um and also shazam wasn't like a yeah it's it's budget really because shazam made a good amount of money uh even though it didn't make a ton of money overall like a ton of good profit this one i don't know and even then it's like well it needs to be you you got to compare it to like what it's competing against uh thaw love and thunder actually did manage to catch up a bit in the end it got so about 700 800 million multiverse of madness made nearly a billion and the batman made like 750 million something like that if you don't make more than 500 million that's not great i'm afraid that this movie is probably gonna show in china so that'll do well for it but i don't think it is showing in china i think it's uh i don't think it is really i thought yeah i don't think that's any date i heard that too that china is gonna save it but maybe not well that's the thing is china saved aquaman aquaman made a good chunk of its money in china so will the next one release in china and if it doesn't will it make a billion dollars the answer is no it won't because it didn't do that well domestically um i i guess the the broad point of this discussion chat is nothing changes ultimately in terms of dwayne johnson getting power like in dc if it doesn't make enough money they probably will make more films i wouldn't be surprised if they keep making like they'll keep trying oh for sure they will be trying in a decade from now we'll be talking about the reset entirely with the new star from tiktok who's taken over and i guess something else is that the super pets movie that he was significantly involved in didn't do that well either so who knows not exactly doing gangbusters well no because this film opened at like 67 million domestic which is appreciably less than like the batman and dr strange um yeah i don't know maybe it didn't make that much of an impact right nor did just having superman in the post credit scene that wasn't a draw which of course probably wasn't right it's a post credit scene apparently the rock intentionally leaked that so that people would come to see it but um it didn't seem to do too much not enough to get people to go watch a film no if he was in the movie proper maybe that would maybe and the thing is how the fuck would you get him in the movie proper i'm just like how many more problems i create but whatever yeah yeah yeah that's something i wanted to say as well this fucking movie is so ambitious um as as are a lot of these like Thor 11 thunder for example or multi-verse madness jesus christ your scripts are so incredibly convoluted complicated and insane and adding so many new huge will building implications all the time you can never just calmer fuck down tell a simple origin story no everything and i mean i feel like the problem is only going to persist going forward with dc like next year there's four films there's four dc films um you got shazam which has its own world building implications the flash is going to be like a multi-verse time travel like crazy film gonna be a disaster yeah we know they can handle that though that's nothing to worry about i mean the question will be have they even decided what the plan is after that is it going to change now that james going to peter saffron are going to be making some choices about you know does it even remain as it is right now is a hard reboot actually on the cards i don't think so even now which is absurd because it needs to happen yeah even if they didn't do a hard reboot at all and they did decide to take like a hard left turn and just try to do their best to take it in a new direction from where it is that's not going to happen for at least like a year or two like you said like we're not there yet this still this is more of the same yeah the longer it goes on the more of like that baggage you have that is tricky and it's difficult to get rid of like the fact that people don't even know which justice league film is canonical like well i'm pretty sure it is justice justice league is the canonical one but like yes the fact that even in doubt is bad yeah no i think you're right like as much as there's official widow whatever it's like i think most a lot of people will be confused yeah i mean people watching this movie will be confused about which justice organization is even yeah i was a little bit confused because i was like are they a part of it are they associated in some way and then having wallaby their boss like that's even more confusing yeah i had to bring her back well the sad thing is i actually kind of like viola davis's walla in in what i'm trying to picture as being the perfect version that version of herself yeah you know like she's a hard-ass kind of nutball crazy person who's getting really important and difficult jobs done that are morally dubious like that can work the suicide squad is the best version of her even though it's pretty quick as well but suicide squad is awful um when she just killed all of her own people i remember just being like i can't i can't this is a joke uh um but like the actress clearly can do it they just need to give her a script it's not cringe absolutely yeah like she's pretty ideal casting for a man to walla it's just she's not like everyone in this universe no one is given yeah she would make a really cool character like moller was saying but i mean then given her the script seems to be a really difficult fucking thing and the problem is now how do you salvage walla with all of the with everything that's happened so far that should be the question for anybody who's about to make a movie in the dc universe to prove that they've been paid attention how many films does a man of walla beated yeah i think it's five i can i can see some being like well it's three isn't it they look at it around the room they're like four five six three two i don't know you tell me i don't know however many you wanted to be i don't know what her reach is she she has contact with superman apparently um okay um but i i wrote you know the way i described the dceu it is a puzzle with most of the pieces missing and i actually wrote a list of things that are fucked right now that i kind of are the argument of the hard reboot so yeah what have we fucked up so far proper superman origin story that's gone we don't have a flash origin we don't have a good wonder woman origin we don't we didn't get a solo batman before he met superman we didn't get a proper first meeting for batman superman we didn't get a non rushed version of the trinity coming together any origin films of the jLA really um we don't fuck lex luth is gone uh doom's day is wasted we don't you know they already killed superman you can't do that again uh clock and lowest they will totally do that again if they want yeah yeah well they will they will but you can only do that once for the first time is kind of what i'm saying you can only do that once for the first time exactly yeah um any stories with younger batman probably not happening um fucking batman's already got most of his history gone so his stories with this batman are gonna be pretty limited as far as their potential is concerned and you can't do much with robin because he's dead um superman and batman reacting to the existence of metahumans you can't do that anymore reacting to magic can't do that superman meeting the justice league can't do that yeah yeah you can't like like coming out of the bat and saying essentially yeah robin's dead but oh yeah all right you get the benefit of a robin so you know there's plenty left but just still you're right it's like that seems like a story you should have fucking told but okay yep like uh superman met fucking captain marvel shazam um offscreen uh same with amanda waller um fucking the uh can't do a re uh black mask is gone um j you know justice society has introduced a lot of problems like um they're apparent are they a public entity are they not jimmy olsson's gone no sandra canes a bit fucked um they're not gonna show that conversation between superman and black adam every time i'm just gonna be on it every time you say cane i think about yeah i would go yeah we're we're not in a good spot we're this isn't really a universe i want salvaged because we've wasted so much i agree 100 i agree fucking flatten it with a steamroller turn it to a parking lot we need to redo it entirely start from the ground up you've blown all of your big loads they've all essentially been wasted we we have got to start over the state of the world's a mess just do it just do it just have a big dceu two or something rebrand it just just do something else and start and you gotta start strong you have to start strong i feel like if you're gonna do a hard reset i feel like the thing to start with and get right would be a superman movie like or yeah superman move yes do it right this time you can do it really isn't a strong groundwork i think because of all the things you mentioned that they fuck the fact that superman's origin story is just horrendous is feels like the worst one to me yes definitely there are people out there who think man of steel isn't like a glorious genius masterpiece can you believe it can you believe it i i unfortunately have to because they keep finding me whenever i talk about ringing remember all the inhabitable that shit and the guy was like you guys are the reason we ended up with justice leagues kept complaining just like our reviews came out after all of that what do you mean talking about and so someone in chat reminded me as well you remember how blood sport shot superman and then they were like wow like that with the snider fans were like that was a shot against tonight's work implying that blood sport could take out Henry Cavill superman it's like you guys are you calmed out the only thing i would keep is Henry Cavill's casting maybe a couple of casting choices it's difficult if you keep casting choices it sends a confusing message about the continuity it's a tricky one like man sucks really sucks i we lose a lot of great talent but like you've got to bite the bullet and just restart with a plan it was funny totally plain slate if you like suggested to the the border like full hard reset they're like we just released black adam it's like yes yes yes yes we'll we'll redo that too like what do you mean you know we'll redo the all of it we'll take like 20 years from now yes brawls are you willing to do that again but better he's like yeah like there you go i mean in a perfect world for me i i i don't even really want them to do an extended universe but they're going to because they're always chasing that sort of infinity war end game two billion dollar movie so they're always going to be trying for that so if they're gonna do it they should probably do a hard read set though i would like it if they did more standalone pocket stuff like the batman and joker and stuff like that so you say that and something that scares me is i'm really scared that they're gonna try and like merge the batman into the dc universe that would be the worst version yeah i thought you were gonna say they were gonna merge the joker into the batman those those specifically because they're so like away from the dcu both of them they're just like you know what they are their own dc they're the dcu too and be like oh no no that would also be bad yes please don't it'd be so funny if they announced that everyone's like oh you know maybe there's some potential they're like also black adam is in that one no oh fucking out which about wraps up black adam discussion i think so how incredible um and you know what now i'm gonna move into talking about sitting cuddly fella who yeah boy look at him go who i got extensions everyone you gotta talk about it because i'm very tired dying all right that's that's totally all right well um they decided those uh the guys over at makeshift they decided to make an extension of the date so if you have not picked up one of these incredible rags plushies and they are amazing i've got one then you have a second chance a reprieve of sorts if you get an extra week and it's down to a yeah you get an extra looks like they had eight days excellent so pick it up do not uh there's not going to be another extension as far as i know so if you if you don't have it you should get it looks great and it will look excellent next to your moller and freaky plushes you can have us all hanging out together with all of our gadgets and gizmos now so please do helps us out a great deal um and yeah so my i think what's gonna i'm i'm too tired to be able to give much more coherent responses and stuff uh today i've been busy since super early doing all kinds of irl things and some cool developments in regards to that that i will hopefully be sharing soon ish with the little e-fap chat um exciting like a stuff to do but uh that that also means that yeah i'm probably gonna uh try and round us out at this point instead of trying to do super chats but at the same time me rags and freaky have been recording lots of offline catch ups we're gonna be we're hacking away at that 200 that'll be releasing as one big thing or maybe two smaller big things you know it goes uh there's other ones to be released but then there's also um games have been actually getting in the way the god of war ragnarok is is probably the next big event now um me and metal are going to stream on tuesday a special stream and we're just going to talk about god of war one two three four um and then the following day ragnarok comes out i think release around then uh it's the ninth or a wednesday yeah uh well you know what i mean like the midnight of tuesday for uh uh i think everyone right it doesn't release it respectively and everyone's time zones on midnight or something like that uh well yeah it depends on the digitally or physically right which means physically oh yeah true so the but does that mean that would australia be the first people to get it at that point then yeah of course we're well new zealand but you know it's kind of me good for them nice they win at something yeah but yeah they they get that they're going to be playing it and then everyone else is going to be playing it it's going to be super cool uh i would picture you'll have a wonderful choice of watching myself metal offering or all of us uh of all the eflabs to fear people i'm not sure who else will be streaming it there's probably gonna be a pretty fun big deal um and uh because we were so far ahead of efab episodes and it gives us more time to record uh offline super chat catch ups the next week efab will also not be an efab it'll it'll uh probably be something else if not streaming a catch up it'll be uh maybe releasing a mini maybe releasing nothing and we record something offline i'm trying to say we're gonna try and bounce the numbers back out and also give us some more time for me to catch up on all of the housekeeping stuff to do with efab because those those tv shows hit us hard but i know the other thing you guys really want to know about is andor coverage what is going on with andor that is a great question what is going on with andor because we're not sure what's going on with andor to be honest with you it's really difficult to schedule it in um and the problem is like there's there's passion but it's not enough to like where it barges into your schedule and you allow it to do that sort of thing it's more so a thing that's like patiently waiting in the dentist's room and you're like oh there is i'm gonna get to him he's there he's been patient but i know that there's a lot of people who are very very interested in uh hearing our perspective on it because apparently it's good as in the uh the the more stuff that's been coming out it's apparently good stuff uh the problem is like nobody's fucking talking about it you know i mean like like all the people in my sphere is all the different streams that go on yeah i haven't really heard anything about it so we need to get into it we like the first three episodes so we need to you know to the point where i'm probably gonna have to rewatch if we ever start watching it again i hope we do gonna have to rewatch this first three again to get back in um and so it's like okay so that doesn't sound promising in terms of coverage it's like well it's not that's that's the truth there um it doesn't mean we won't be doing coverage but it doesn't it means i don't know what our coverage is gonna look like uh just yet i keep saying we'll let you know once we know because we're not sure yet the black atoms really easy because it's just a goofy movie that takes like two hours and then we can talk about it uh and or is a very long tv show and it's not even finished yet so i say very long but disney it's very long yeah that's a lot by disney standard um the other thing then would be hot d what's the plan with that uh the problem we had was getting the guests everyone was very busy all the people we want to try and grab i'm gonna see if i can get them maybe for the week after next uh you know this goes guys if the longer it takes and the more things that come up it might be we don't quite get to cover it uh possible i'm not sure yet but we're gonna do what we can though i would like to yeah i would too uh i really would good stuff and then um hey why don't uh why don't why don't capital opinions why don't you talk about what you're up to these days what streams you have talking about movies concepts ideas uh is i don't know yeah what yeah what you got well uh very recently on halloween night we did a stream talking about the original hellraiser and the hellraiser reboot whoa harrick and contrasting the two films if you're into that sort of thing you should check it out but it was what sort of thing that sort of thing hellraiser raising hell movies oh that's what happened in black adam they tried to raise hell on earth it went really good true they did they're called this movie hellraiser um yeah yeah it's a very interesting stream i think tried to make it that way and there's some spicy takes for anyone who really likes the original hellraiser so oh my warned um yeah we got dev's episode four coming out soon and oh that's and then uh and about like two so from now i'm gonna be on metal's forge talking about a german movie called victoria that was shot all in one long take pretty interesting you're making more german films now i know right we were in a chat and i said hey metal what are some of your favorite german movies he's like oh i don't really watch any of those so okay well maybe you should you're shitty german yeah so we're gonna talk about that it's pretty good crime thriller actually shot in one long two and two hour long take it's pretty neat talking about that that's what i got going on awesome huh very interesting that dev's so is that eight episodes i show i can't remember anymore it sure is eight episodes of eight we're gonna make it through have you completed the scripts for all of these you haven't done the production side is that what it is or i have completed the scripts for all eight episodes uh episode four all the audio is done and i'm working on the video editing now i said before man one of the things that fucking frustrates me to no end is when it takes a long time to get a script done but then production can't take place because there's a commitment and you've got other things that are going on like my the boy season two script it's it's there it's on my hard drive it's all complete yeah i can't like oh god that one has to become a video someday um yeah meme repository blah blah blah blah what are you up to what's happening how are you doing what i'm doing good i i just started a podcast called the stream repository we uh we we streamed our how do you spell stream uh so you spell it um s s s s and then you like uh move the dial so that it um eventually goes s t r e a m um that is not doing like s t r e m e no i because i didn't think of that when i put it together because um i regret you didn't you really didn't think of that no it's uh i was because i don't know i i was just so i was so proud of the fact i came up with it it was a double entendre because it's both a live stream and a stream of consciousness so i was just like oh that's really good never thought to to pun the title um i thought it was the rhyme wasn't it's just like this jer friday gag and dream repository doesn't rhyme perhaps yeah why it's not too late you know that's true that's true um you know um that's true that's true um i'll i'll i'll give that consideration but um yeah it is a variety show where i basically talk about everything and anything that uh comes into my brain hole so you know we talk about you know the usual stuff we talk about the medias the dcs the marvels the star wars is the we're actually got a little bit of a transformers kick going at the moment so occasionally dip into that then we also talk about uh living with adhd i go a little bit into that um which a lot of people have actually responded very positively to so i was quite happy about that um we also spent uh we also uh read about we also um read some comments under a porn video um at one point um plus we went through yeah yeah yeah as you do as you do um we um we talked about 9-11 last last week we looked through a bunch of form posts that were you know after 9-11 and that was after i ranted about greenland and for a little bit so really it's a show that can go in any direction at any time and can talk about anything um uh so if that sounds interesting to you uh you can see it every wednesday um at 10am australian eastern time and i re-upload um the vods to the um stream repository channel along with clips from the episode um the kind of little bite-sized bits because uh it's a format that works really well for also putting clips out so if that sounds like your thing you should check out the stream repository it's uh i'm having a lot of fun with it um and uh you know i've gotten some positive feedback so maybe you'll you'll like it as well uh we'll see it yeah it sounds great i without to say that did sound a bit like a stewie thing there yeah it did go a bit stewie didn't it a little stewie a little story for getting middle of it yeah yeah you gotta make anyway uh rags freaky this is something you guys wanted to say about anything i don't know oh i put out a couple videos recently that you guys can check out and i should be putting out more dog bites and things along the way um i don't know if i will do a new project before the new computer i'm not sure though but uh i'll probably focus on getting some dog bite stuff out and who knows who knows what i'll be up to lately but yeah check that stuff out please do do it i can do it also buy my plushie it's amazing and it will make you happy it's literally it's it's it's uncanny how efficiently it is at converting currency into happiness apparently they designed them that way like they want them to be cuddly and fluffy and comforting it's incredible it really is technology man where it's at like a turnium but for cuddly things it's just like you can make a crown out of my plushies and it will summon the demons from hell or something hey what are you free uh don't have anything at the moment just writing work and very well uh you know how it is like i said the next thing you guys will see for me is a stream where me and mel have a little chat about god of war i think it should be oh other than if if drink is doing a catch up tomorrow he might be and then obviously real bbc actually that'll be before i do the thing with that jesus christ i need a schedule i need it on my wall so i can keep track of the fox godod that also i will be more specific about these cool thing that may be happening or not um anyway it's been wonderful sorry that we started late and technically ended early or well ten ended all around on time actually but you know i had this guy you guys want a million hour episodes i know okay five hours all right yeah and go watch the halloween arc for final destination if you haven't okay you'll love it then a lot of work went into the editing of those from lots of people um and and more fun flisms on the way but thank you very much all of you for keeping this company for the kind donations and for even giving us some back and forth about this wonderful movie called black adam that's going to save the dceu that's right he's not like other girl superheroes yes don't worry is really i will make sure to change the thumbnail the rule thumbnail so many much better option um brookie dokie who'll pick everybody cheerio is yeah goodbye everybody bye to my sweet dreams a boo boo