 Thanks, thanks for coming here. I just saw your coalition panel discussion with other journalists and you were talking about the truth that you are trying to establish and the trust you are trying to bring into the public. So what do you think how Project Management can help you with establishing that truth? Well as you know there's a crisis of trust in our institutions starting with all forms of government but also the clergy and journalists and Congress and you name it and people are not trusting people anymore not trusting that they're being told the truth and I think that you know in as much as Project Management is about establishing a foundation of let's gather the facts let's see where we are truly and then let's form a plan that is based on factual data that we can change whatever we're trying to change so again it's a question of finding the truth and and then finding the trust in in the execution of those of what we need to do. That's right so at PMI we are trying to establish a profession of Project Management that people whoever wants to do something with a project can trust in the guys who are doing it for for this is another way how to make ideas into reality while we have to describe the current state with your journalist because you analyze what's going on what is the truth what is the the honesty that is there this honesty and then from that we build to become the profession who can establish the future which might be different for for the other thing so this I think these philosophical common ground between the honest and and project manager. Right I'm sure that's that's the case I mean the fact is then if that's the case then the project manager is going to have to tell some truth that the companies or the organizations that they work for might not want to hear and that's that's the challenge is how how do you speak truth to power which is really basically what the journalist does that's the role of the journalist and that's why I there's a sense that you know Western democracies which have basically relied on journalism and and media to expose the truth whether whether it's inconvenient or not we you know there's a concern that that is going away and will be replaced by people who are just going to expose fake news the wrong facts because it serves their purpose and they can manipulate the outcome and a project manager should not be in the business of manipulating should be in the process of directing where there's only one path really right right right we're actually a project leadership is about influencing people in an ethical way you know that the people can decide what they what they want to do preparing the decisions for sponsors for customers for companies that's the purpose of project management not really providing some dishonest things yeah so if we're talking about you know speaking out the truth to governments and the powerful people this requires a certain amount of moral courage and this is the same for project managers you know if I'm a project manager I have to disclose the real status of where we are going and and it has to be very open to them what what kind of decisions they could make right but so so what so the work of a journalist is to go and not only find the facts but verify the facts and so it seems to me that a project manager the first step is to say okay what are this what is the situation truthfully right right and and to verify that this is in fact the case and then present a realistic view of not only where the organization or whatever project they're on but how what are the causes of action you know a lot of a lot of people hit a wall for whatever reason and because of tradition and and because they they you know reluctant to face the facts then the organization fails and I'm assuming that that's a big part of what you're trying to solve