 Like shares fall on news or something. Yeah shares fall is expected on all news ever on on on spectacular earnings or something dog bites man Or are just you know, I think it's worth reporting if you're the financial press just just Where the where the news should be and I know if a dog bit a man in my neighborhood, but I'm not gonna be shocked Man bites dog on the other hand. That's headlines. It's just despite. I guess that's the word. I'm bothered by Yeah, yeah hours despite earnings beat. It's like playing on your ignorance. You sell To drive the price down and then you buy back. All right, mr. Chang. Are you prepared for a show, sir? Yes, I am hiding mr. Young. Let's go. Let's do it. I heard You are not prepared Sean Connery then he'll admit but Here we go Daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Tuesday, November 2nd 2016 Dia de los muertos Me llamo Tomás Merritt and Justin Robert Young is alongside Even though it's Wednesday. We explained this all to you yesterday, but Patrick Bejo will be here tomorrow It shifted everybody else a day earlier See see see see I'm very excited to be here Tom We're covering for the blizzconers, right? Yeah, so that's the thing Patrick Bejo coming in town for blizzcon Scott Johnson coming in town for blizzcon today So either one of them could do Wednesday Justin Robert Young says blizzcon I don't know what that is and I explained it to him and he's like, oh, right. No, I didn't know what that is I just forget I'd like to go I'd actually Unfortunately my I was thinking there was a very thin slice of chance that I might have gone just to drive down and just say hi to people but Now it looks like I don't know. I love that deli thin slice chance. There's this election thing and now I might all right It's a thing anyway do that show. It's got three words. They're all the same word. Yeah, politics politics Available right now. We're gonna talk about the benchmark Mobile traffic passing desktop traffic And what that means for us in a little bit, but we've got other news del teased its own surface studio It's it's an all-in-one PC. That's kind of like the Microsoft surface studio Microsoft said they want manufacturers to do this They and del unveiled it at the adobe max conference It has two screens and a dial like controller, but not the Microsoft dial. It's del's own thing There's no other details. They just showed off a concept Twitter announced It's going to stream the game awards on December 1st at 8 30 p.m. Eastern hosted by Jeff Keely Now here are some more top stories Microsoft had its big office announcement announcing an ift competitor as well as a slack like product called Microsoft teams Subscribers office 365 will be able to use teams You'll be able to chat and collaborate just like you can in slack has threaded conversations Just like slack has a sidebar where it has things like meetings files chat and activity notifications And of course it integrates with all the office stuff word Excel PowerPoint, etc Skype integrates in their power by SharePoint planner all in there Microsoft is making teams extensible too They don't want it to just be Microsoft stuff So there's an open API and it has its own bot framework They showed off Twitter integration when they announced it slack itself published a full-page ad in the New York Times Welcoming Microsoft to the world of slack like products and given it some friendly advice Justin So we all right a couple questions here Well, but that I will preface with a statement number one our illustrious producer Roger Cheng has been organizing everybody's time So we can do our annual predictions review and new predictions episode coming up toward the end of the year and I'm not going to name the French contributor to this very show, but they are going to have their prediction that slack will die stuff right in his mouth Right I forgot all about that. Yeah, because this is a gigantic example that not only is slack not dead But it is certainly stronger than ever. Let's get to this Microsoft product though. I Think slack they're part of the reason why slack is so successful Is that it it's the very almost too obvious Combination of so many different things that were kind of so already readily available that it just makes this duh I can understand it You know sense and just reduces email which is constantly just the the golden goose for any and all tech products That being said, I think for I Don't know where Microsoft Teams is to me Microsoft Teams is less than something more specific to a field like discord which has a lot of Slack sort of elements to it, but is more for people who are gaming together Microsoft Teams feels like a logical junction point for a lot of what they normally do But I don't know why Slack doesn't do all of it better even if by features Microsoft Teams might have it beat, but who knows I mean slack and always improve What slack has in its advantage that Microsoft is at is it in its advantage for decades now Is that a lot of people use it already and are familiar with it and to switch it from one thing to another is not Just switching your email client. You have to switch Everybody on to a new platform and very often that is a little difficult Well, I would turn that around and say that's exactly why Microsoft Teams is going to be just fine Because for as many people as slack has It pales into comparison to the number of Microsoft office users that are out there Yes, and what what Microsoft just did is said hey 80 million people I don't know that's not the exact number who have office 365 you can now use this thing called teams Maybe or maybe not you've heard of slack. Yeah, who aren't on slack though Guess what Microsoft Teams is your thing and the other thing Microsoft's doing is targeting this at the enterprise They are not giving you a free version the way slack does slack very wisely does that because that gets people to try it Who might not otherwise Microsoft's just going to their existing customers and going hey Here's how you implement teams now I I do wonder though because you know Is this bringing a solution to people that do not need that solution or do not feel that they are capable of handling it You know like I think you're right listen They're going to invent rock and roll for a whole swath of people that might not have known what it was before and To slacks bill Haley absolutely that is that is certainly something that is going to have it but Do you are these people not on products like slack because? they Haven't heard of it yet or because they just don't need another Another fancy whiz bang computer program to get in their way that I think most of them just haven't got on it It's when you're talking about enterprise here and abroad you inside inside Silicon Valley You may be right, but enterprise level Organizations outside may have looked at slack and said yeah I don't know if we really want to implement that across three. Yeah, I don't know if it's reliable We it's a weird company whereas they feel perfectly comfortable with Microsoft Especially because it's already covered under their existing license and they have support for it immediately boom. It's there They don't have to pay extra. They don't have to do anything They're not to enter into a new relationship with another vendor. It's yeah, just turn it on Company out there who's been saying who's been having that one guy in the office who's a hipster who's like come on You guys we're gonna get on slack it's gonna go. Hey great now. We don't have to listen to that guy We just turned on Microsoft teams. So you are a teams player Our teams players Exactly, I'm a slack guy, you know, I got a dog in this fight I I mean, I'll play around with Microsoft teams, but yes I think you're absolutely right for those of us in slack There's not a compelling reason to switch, but I don't think Microsoft cares if you switch one question is the video Uh video conferencing is that Skype or is it another Microsoft teams video chat? That is a great question. I yes Skype is integrated So I the way I would if I were a politician I would answer that by saying that's a great question Of course, you can use Skype to do all your great video conferencing I don't know if that also means there's another video conferencing element to teams because there's one thing that I think slack very much would need to do and I would be willing to pay for slack to do is if it was able to I was able to Not only organize my podcast with collaborators But also video conference in a way that isn't as janky and ridiculous and constantly updating and getting itself into weird Compatibility problems like Skype does. Yeah, I don't think you're gonna get that but it is Skype for business which is essentially link that most of these companies will be using and supposedly For video conferencing that's more reliable than the consumer version, so Uber launched a redesign of its app meant to make it faster and easier to get a ride First ride types are grouped into luxury and economy sections with estimated cost and time of arrival by each option Submachine learning will also suggest good points on the map for pickup location Especially helpful in places like malls and stadiums It will also add shortcuts to the bottom of the app with the best guesses at where you want to go and Soon Uber will add the ability to type in a friend's name as a destination So it can take you wherever they are as long as they approve it by text message Tom I got a chance to play with this app Hands-on over the weekend before it launched the biggest thing that I noticed in it was The bottom now as you will be able to see is not the traditional all of your options on a Little a click slide where it would go from uber pool to uber singular Those are up in the main area whether you're on economy or luxury right exactly So now they are subgrouped into those economy luxury things number one That's very very good in terms of solving the pain problem of people accidentally getting uber pools when they think they're getting Just regular uber X's but it also Berries a lot of these make good options that when I traveled around the country You would notice that whenever you would land in certain cities every city had its own little roster of options at the bottom And so taxi might be right next to uber X in in a certain city handicapped availability would be available Otherwise, but they would all be there in equal measure now that is not the case So uber can make whatever deal that they make with the city and then put in a four swipe submenu for the majority of people Whatever like little make good things that they've done city by city Though what uber I'm sure would say is that yes, but if you love using uber to hail a taxi in Cleveland We will load you right to that based on how your usage history is So so for the better ones like the the the the handicapped availability options, for example It will always snap there and I think I'll tell you what I was I was impressed with the app I think it's I think it's a cleaner version of Of of uber going forward. Yeah, I like all these changes I like that it can let me choose to say hey I know Justin's downtown take me to Justin. I like the way it handles it and says great Let's just make sure Justin's okay with that, you know, it's not tracking Justin It says Justin can we have your location so we so your friend Tom can come visit you that's all very well handled They've learned lots of lessons about privacy there. I think I like that it can suggest locations But it doesn't force you to use them. They're just down there at the bottom like hey We know you go to LAX a lot, you know, so we're just gonna put LAX right there for you So you can tap it if that's where you're going if you're not no no problem. I got no beefs with any of these You want to kind of thought especially in looking at that more person-to-person bring me to a person kind of thing Is I'm almost shocked that they didn't fold in some kind of chat thing Hmm like that now uber is very much a lifestyle thing You know a lot of people will sell their cars or not buy a car in major cities granted This is not everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is certainly a city-by-city situation but for those people they live inside those apps and and I'm almost curious that There's I'm not care. I would be so I would not be surprised if going forward. They do not Fold in just did not not a full social network or anything, but just little Socially sort of yeah. Yeah, I feel like adding chat is mission creep It's like look people can text message will use text message. That's fine But there may be yet opportunities where they say hold on this is something you can't easily replicate with text message So let's add in something so I think it's wise for them not to put in chat But I think it's also a great idea and you're on that you're identifying of like there may be other opportunities there And maybe it's it's not permanent chat Maybe it's if you go into an uber pool You now have a chat with the other three people that are set to take your uber pool or whatever And there's another way for you to do it and interactive people that way you can oh, yeah You couldn't say like can you can you cancel your boo pool cuz I'm really in a hurry. Yeah, exactly Where would you mind if I go first or something like that? I don't know I mean this might be opening up more than But more than than I can even think when I first had the thought but if it's not that just Like this is a great way for uber to say we know a lot about you We know a lot about what you do. 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This just seems to be catching up with that saying hey, guess what? Wanting a mobile version isn't a premium feature anymore. That's that's a required feature. So we're gonna step that down I think that's smart The criterion collection pulled its classic movies out of Hulu as of November 11 or will pull it In order to team up with Turner classic movies on a service called filmstruck The filmstruck launches Tuesday in the US for $6.99 a month without the criterion collection or $10.99 a month or $99 a year with the criterion collection Filmstruck will pull its movies from indie studios like Janice and zeitgeist along with major studios 70 curated program Programming themes will be refreshed regularly along with bonus commentaries outtakes interviews introductions it is available on the web Apple TV fire TV Android and the iOS Yeah, so this is weird. I It made sense to me when criterion collection partnered up with Turner to say, oh, you know, we got a better deal over there. So We're gonna we're gonna do that We're gonna we're gonna go into our Turner thing and I'm like, okay Turner is gonna pull out a classic collection And criterion makes the bedrock of that Having a tier that doesn't include criterion is odd Yeah $10.99 a month just seems more odd because of that. Yep I don't know if that's because there's a $6.99 tier or if they'd come out with $10.99 I would have looked at it and said why isn't it $9.99 and then It they they launched with hundreds of movies, which granted if they're curating these Hundreds if you're curating these and the whole point is like you're not coming here to find all the movies You want you're coming here because you want to be exposed to great movies And we're curating them and bringing them to you then I guess that makes sense But it for people used to the all you can eat Netflix model of thousands and thousands of movies in a world Where people are continually criticizing Netflix because it even though its originals are growing It's back catalogs seems to be shrinking all the time. It looks had to get into original had to this is a Weird this is a weird pitch now They claim there's 15 million people that they didn't know are so into classic movies that they will easily pay $10.99 a month with us But I'm not sure You want to know what I would pay for He's just a criterion collection thing that had all the criteria collections I would understand that it would have a very threadbare kind of a movie thing our movie library but they would do Original stuff like if I just got the film buff thing Yeah, it was criterion collection has a brand. I don't know how much it spreads I know certainly for me criterion collection as I was in my late teens early 20s was a gold standard for these are the movies the older movies that you need to watch and This is how you know that the movie that you loved last year is Indeed a classic because criterion is making their own version of it And this is why Wes Anderson became a a big director in in my eyes and I think for a lot of other people and many of his generation if Criterion collection had a subscription service and they did Wes Anderson week and and you could count on once a month There would be some director and they would do live Commentaries with their movies that they would stream or they would upload a special stuff And it would just be a lot of big long-form like real like film nerd thick rim glasses Like kind of content would really get into that niche I'd be interested, but I have a hard time looking at what we're seeing right now and not seeing Hulu rejects and library in an era when library is a as Unreliable as it's ever been that these movies flip from service to service and always charge you know more to get it so you can't you can't promise me these things are always going to be there and Seemed a matter less and less Because they are everywhere and even if it's on one thing right now I don't know just wait four months and eventually the Hunger Games will be back on Netflix like that's it's just how it is I Think filmstruck if they were here right now would say Justin we are exactly what you want That's why we're doing all this bonus content these mini docs these Introductions and that's why we partnered with the criterion collection because we want to do exactly that And we're gonna bring you this library that isn't in the criterion collection But is on par with that these aren't just gonna be old library titles that you see in the public domain been at best By these are gonna be great movies and we're gonna have the same treatment for them that they do that you get from the criterion collection So I think that's what they're trying to pitch But when you separate out criterion collection into its own channel It just creates the optic that well There's the criterion collection stuff and then there's other crap that we had lying around the studio Um You know I was just looking here at the top the most popular online streaming services Well here Let me let me throw let me throw some of the filmstruck titles These are these are titles that will be in filmstruck and I believe if I'm reading this right Well, no, I this is not right because some of these are definitely criterion collection seven samurai is gonna be in there Mad Max hard days night Babette's feast these all sound these all sound they're saying this is a selection of titles from filmstruck, but they all sound like criterion to me The movies are coming from Janice. They're coming from zeitgeist. They're coming from global lens a oscilloscope shout factory There's some from Warner and MGM So Okay, here we go filmstruck curated the beauty of in Italy passport the cinema passport the Stanley Kubrick passport Obviously, they'll be a carousel one Francois Truffaut. So this is what you want. No, here's here's why it's not, okay? Right now when you look at the top streaming services that aren't either big library plays or live television plays So take out all the Amazon's Netflix Hulus, right take out all the MLB NHL Sling PlayStation views sure sure Then you're left with the top of the heap in niche is WWE Network and crunchy roll Take two of those successes as an example those are two services that are that have built either by previous reputation or by Delighting their customers that they will get the niche that they will tickle your niche They will they will they will play exactly for what you want to pay a premium for I think that there is definitely room for that for the independent cinema Film nerd. I think that like that that is something that is ripe to do. However You have to prove like don't sell me on the idea. No, don't worry We will be doing things like intros and and and interviews when you do the mini docs that people care about That'll be interesting when you lock down. They're in there. They're already in there Okay, but I mean, they're original mini docs. Yeah, and I mean, but here's my point if you're not going to if they're not press release worthy Then what are they like if you're not going to say to the people that? Understand or appreciate independent cinema if you're not going to lead with it Then I don't know how Important it is because you don't feel it's important enough to lead with so I'm looking at the curated section of film Struck called how to make a movie it has living an oblivion Manbites dog the player the stuntman an adaptation and then a mini doc called how to make yourself crazy making movies Now your your complaint is that they're not focusing on these mini docs But I would argue what they're saying is like hey if you love exploring film We've got all kinds of stuff like this come watch and we've got mini docs for all of it We've got introductions for all of it. I guess here's my point The fact that they exist don't matter Bring me in with the content that makes me say oh my god. I have to pay for it Charlie Kaufman saying how to make yourself crazy making a movie a Two-hour conversation with Charlie Kaufman one of you know a screenwriter for which is very familiar to the criterion audience crowd That's pay attention worthy spike Jones how he a storyboarded Where the wild things are a two-hour meticulous documentary I Want to see that an on-set interview with Wes Anderson as he shoots his new stop motion thing I want to see that that's what that crowd wants and I don't think just having You know D. I'm sure they're good I'm sure they're decent mini docs But it's like dude like dude. Do I want to subscribe based on how to make yourself crazy the mini doc? No, I don't like my god because I guess post final thought that The criterion collection is a sir is has a name Because it collected other names Right like because it it crowned Kurosawa because it crowns all these other You know filmmakers as being the best right worthy of a vanguard position if If they are not providing a service that gives me greater access into their work specifically and And I would say as close to getting them to talk about it as possible Then I don't know what worth it is All right We got to move on the UK's Admiral insurance recently launched a discount plan called first car quote for first-time drivers It let the company analyze your Facebook posts to see if you had personality traits that matched successful drivers Things like I don't use a lot of exclamation points or I don't use a lot of extreme words Admiral promised they would give discounts of up to 350 pounds if your personality traits matched Facebook in turn blocked Admiral's app from accessing Facebook data Facebook's terms prohibit using data for eligibility decisions for Things like oh, I don't know insurance or loans Admiral has relaunched the plan with reduced functionality now You just got to share a Facebook log in and then it'll give you a discount It doesn't scan your personality anymore companies said it would only ever offer discounts anyway What didn't intend to raise rates yet in a slightly related story people are checking into Standing Rock Reservation on Facebook to try to make it hard for protesters in the area to be tracked Martin County Sheriff's Department in North Dakota said on Facebook quote It does not follow Facebook check-ins for the protest camp or any location this claim slash rumor is absolutely false So a couple of different stories one an insurance company trying to sneak around the terms To do some marketing and the other protesters trying to flood Good data with bad data to befuddle something that the sheriff's office said it wasn't doing anyway So let's for right now set aside the Did they don't they will they won't they questions right and let's just draw a circle around How comfortable we are in the year 2016? with the scraping and analysis of our publicly posted data affecting our lives Because if the answer to me is less comfortable When we have situations like this where it might raise my rates where I might get arrested by the cops because they'll know what I look like If they see me protesting the pipeline, right? Then the only logical step Past that is we start making up fake data We start, you know, we start mixing things around making the picture less clear if that becomes a pattern Then it becomes optimized. It just becomes a thing that we want to do We'll have Facebook plug-ins that will make sure that we add either on your posts or insurance friendly Exactly make sure either on on a visible or invisible level that you are doing things the right way that optimize your life I'm very curious Tom. Where do you think this is going? I don't think this is going anywhere Because Facebook very quickly shut down admiral So I think they understand that the optics are really bad if they let people get away with this They're already fighting the targeting the ad targeting thing Where where, you know, the fact that they have ethnic affinities listed has been controversial They don't need any more bad press right now On the protest side of thing. I don't know that Facebook is really involved in it It does seem more like a feel-good thing for people who aren't there than a thing that actually is going to make much of a difference If the sheriffs want to get protesters, they could probably just find them in real life I'm not sure how helpful it was in the sheriff's department says they weren't doing it. Anyway, maybe they're lying. I don't know but That that one doesn't seem to be as significant to me It feels more like posting with a hashtag. Were you confused by that? I was I was very confused by that when I saw because for whatever reason just by fate I the first people I saw do it were all people who worked at my my former employer the go game which Around the country and does event and so there was like five people from the go game that were all at this Indian reservation Oh, they all just flew to North Dakota Well, and they've all and we've done a bunch of stuff at Indian reservation before and I'm like, damn This game is off the hook. They've got like go gaming the pipeline Amazing and then I wound up texting somebody I'm like what the hell's going on and it's out the go-to and I found out that it was it was this this process protest thing but I'm I am I am unlike you I do think that this is something that is That will continue to happen and either Facebook's going to want to play defense against it Or we as users are going to want to play defense against it And I assume that Facebook will play defense against it until they figure out a way that they can Appropriately make money without shedding users as soon as that those scales tip in the right, you know method for them Then they will likely find a way to funnels, you know this kind of information toward people which they already do I mean they already provide Facebook pixel and stuff like that as a way for you to Match their information with your information to get better targeting. I tell you what Facebook's are doing right now They're they're laughing all the way to the bank Facebook earnings reported 7.01 billion dollars in revenue earnings per share of a dollar 9 1.79 billion monthly active users up 4.6 percent Daily active users rose from 1.13 to 1.1 8 billion up 17 percent year over year Analysts I'm not even gonna bother telling you what analysts estimated because it wasn't anywhere near the revenue and earnings per share that Facebook The Facebook just killed it and mobile now makes up 84 percent of Facebook's ad revenue So there you go Facebook is doing something right fallen out of control Tom This is You know How young we were remember back in the dominant bring a Millennials come here a gathered gathered sit down on your uncle Justin's knee. There was a time When Facebook overtook my space that the thought was yep, this is how it goes It's just gonna be one social network for another one For as long as we live and they're gonna rise and fall and rise and fall and rise and fall Facebook has done a tremendous job in making themselves more of a bedrock company and surviving By by acquiring but keeping the spirit of a lot of these other apps that have continued to Grow under their umbrella and when you look at Social networks that have come after them. Let's not use the name of Twitter But you know, maybe we'll just all think it at the same time. Sure sure. It'll be almost like you just said it almost like I just said it You you realize listen man Facebook's done They've done a lot. I mean they really are a true success story in the social space Geek wire reports that starting in August Amazon began asking customers at its three brick and mortar retail stores if they are Amazon Prime members if they are they get discounted online price on the books If not, you pay full retail before August all customers got the discounted online price Barnes and Noble Offers a similar program where members get 10 to 40% off in-store purchases as well as free shipping for online purchases Amazon has stores in Seattle, San Diego and Portland and will soon open in Chicago and Dettem, Massachusetts outside Boston Yeah, I this this is just notable because we've all been sort of focused on the idea of like Ooh Amazon actually building out retail stores. Ooh, look at this Amazon. Maybe doing grocery stores. Why are they doing this? Here's our first prime example, and I did that intentionally of them saying Yeah, the whole point of this is to get people to sign up and give us money online And and these this isn't a secret plan Although, you know geek wire just noticed it and it's been going on since August They have signs up in these stores. That's like, hey, if you're a prime member you get a discount and Scan scan the books to see the different prices. You pay full retail if you're not a prime member Would you like to sign up to be a prime member right at the counter? You could totally do that today You know the biggest thing I really wanted to talk about with this is that? we are You know we are looking more and more than we already have into a world where We are in a in a subscription life Right and Amazon wants to move into your world with the most Interesting and diverse subscription. They could possibly offer you It's just here's your flat fee that you pay for the year and we can continue and there and their business model is Let's continue to give Everybody possible a hook do you watch twitch? Oh, don't worry You can delight your favorite streamer by giving them a subscription each and every month you get one free Oh, do you like fruit? Don't worry now you have a way that you can get it delivered to your house You want to know what are you never at home? Guess what we're gonna find a way that you can just pick up that one little thing So that way you don't have to get to the $40 a subscription thing. We can discount your books We can make sure that your favorite author gets Of the all that that prestige of a physical display somewhere and they can do book signings We are Amazon. There's literally nothing we won't do if you give us $99 We are literally the widest river of commerce in the world right now Yeah, we are a jungle and we are full of piranhas and you cannot escape us But having said You know that that's obviously, you know, we're making jokes, but hell it's working and and and they are They've been smart in offering things that people actually want and not like a bunch of crap that they package together and say Well here. No, you're really gonna like it. Let's say there's not a lot of you know They're not putting there in the in the top line. Here's a documentary about how to drive yourself crazy Yes, and someday all stores will be Amazon. There's the only thing that demolition man got wrong It won't be Taco Bell. It will be Amazon. It'll be the zone By the way that humble bundle humble bundle I mentioned earlier. I misinterpreted the 12 I thought it was 12 more hours. 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They've been doing that since 99 by the way In October for the first time showed that mobile and tablet access was 51 point two percent of their people Versus 48 point seven percent So the first time since they really started tracking mobile in October 2009 that they've seen mobile pass Desktop and they're not the only ones showing this in April comm score estimated the number of mobile only internet users at 11.9% surpassed desktop only at 10.6% although the majority still use both and back in May Google announced that mobile search outnumbered desktop search. So I mean we are definitely seeing a Huge shift to mobile and I'm seeing it myself where I Spend most of my time when I'm not sitting here actually doing a show and if I'm not writing things for the show I'm on the phone Understand that this is the reason why Android exists Right because in in 07 when Apple drops the iPhone and it becomes Very very clear that mobile is not only a platform It might become the platform Google said we cannot live in a world where somebody else is the is the the gatekeeper To our traffic, you know, we are a search company This will only become more and more of a thing and this validates it I mean now it is officially the majority of all search traffic that's You know, it really is a validation of maybe the last I mean certainly the last eight years of Technological advancement. There's a reason why all wagons have headed toward the north star of mobile and it's because it's validated now officially but certainly not for the last time and Does this mean Does this mean bad things for old dinosaurs like me who look at the web and say that's much better than apps and Sometimes put down the phone because you know what I can't do this on the phone Or is that just a holdover to my old habits? Combined with a bunch of companies who haven't quite caught up and still put flash on their menus. I think that You're not wrong Thank you. I I agree with you now granted. I am rapidly aging myself. So Both in the same boat here, but I will say that I Think we are going to continue to get more and more robust hardware We will hopefully continue more so than we have to evolve on the the UI of Mobile and eventually we will just get better solutions for the failings of siloed apps You know, whereas I think you and I can agree that there are just some things that are just better done on the web and not In these little walled gardens. So and the and the other part of it is the promise of mobile for me when I first launched a Safari browser in in Windows CE. Oh safari browser an IE browser in Windows CE The fact that I could see everything the way it looked on my desktop on this little phone was magical I was like, this is amazing and of course, you know iPhone was the top of that peak of like we can actually do, you know, Trio was great Now we can do everything you can do on your desktop on a phone except you can't and it's because of the operating system More than anything, they won't let you do all the things so is that just something where I have to wait for the operating systems on mobile to catch up and Finally give up the little advantages that they've carved out by not letting you do everything you can on a desktop I think that that that is the gray area for further innovation for sure You know that that is that is the place in which I think when we see When we look back five years from now ten years from now at what the mobile web experience is now And what it will be I do think that that's that's part of it because I mean listen and the best apps Have siloed have have kind of feature crippled themselves Just so you don't get frustrated with them I locked myself out of my apartment about a week and a half ago, right? and I had to because of how Direct email marketing works get out a contender email out by noon East Coast time Which is just the right time to do it, right? But I was locked out so all I had was my phone and my Mailchimp app will only let me read Very rich very nice very well presented data on how my campaigns are doing It will not let me create or edit a campaign however If I go to their website, I can do it and it was janky And I'm shocked that it didn't look like total garbage, but I was able to do everything on my phone It was just a pain in the ass and certainly not optimized for it even on the luxurious iPhone 7 plus screen size. Yeah. Yeah, no when you when you pull off something I was at the vet one time and I and one of the listeners Curtis Who's great at pointing out when there's something wrong with the feed that needs fixing and I'd super appreciate it Pointed it out and I was like I'm at the vet and all I have was the phone I was able to fix it, but it felt like an achievement, right? It was like, oh, I figured out how to fix it by using my phone and it was like a 30-step process when it should have been a three-step process. So yeah, man It's it's not there yet on the other hand I see the promise of it and I know Microsoft has stumbled towards mobile like a zombie that doesn't have eyes anymore But I was sitting on the couch last night. We were ordered an Italian food off of a website from from a restaurant and Eileen wanted to look through the menu So I was on surface book pro so she was touching the screen And I was like hold on and I just hit the little button took off the screen and gave it to her and she's like, okay Great and went through and I was like, yes that this same operating system, right? It's the operating system. I was using to do work moments before that Yes, that suddenly turned into a mobile device that I could hand to her like that's where we need to get Also part of that is us being rolled, right? Part of us are just being more comfortable with I'm a little bit yelling at a cloud. I get it I get it a little bit. I'm with you though. That cloud is looking at you funny stomach cloud It's finished up with a pick of the day Kevin wrote and asked I travel for a living and I have my personal MacBook Pro iPad and iPhone with me on the road and I need to be secure Especially with all your warnings But I have no idea which VPN network is best and the most secure with the best value Do you have any recommendations now? I wrote them back with the caveat that I don't go around testing all the VPNs I don't research us all the time. So there may be better ones out there But the ones I rely on our private tunnel when I travel because it's run by the same folks who oversee the open VPN Open source project and it's fairly cost effective because you just pay by the bit not by the month And then there's express VPN as it's another one I use as a backup It's monthly, but it's fairly inexpensive and it was referred to me by Brian brushwood I like it because it has a wide selection of servers to choose from private tunnel when I first got it only had three or four I think they've got six or seven now, but express tunnel. I'm sorry express VPN has tons of them So I'd be happy to hear your VPNs of choice as well send your picks to us feedback at daily tech news show comm You can find more picks at daily tech news show comm slash picks Do you use a VPN you want to know what I Didn't I I do not I have not that is to my detriment and I Forgot to download one and never got a rounded downloading one while I was out in the UK But it was very very frustrating to live without one in in the UK when I had all of my American geo restricted sites did not Deal private tunnel express VPN and anybody else said send us some suggestions for Justin Thank you Justin Robert Young. What do you got going on? I mean, there's you know with the contender, you know the game about elections It's probably a low time for you. It's probably a follow time. Oh, well, you know, we're doing a bunch of really really cool stuff We're gearing up of course for the holiday season So I do have good news if you wanted to get any of our little mini Expansions that we put out during the debates Looks like we will be doing another run of those So please go over to the contender dot US sign up for our mailing list You'll be the first to know when those come out Heads up. We might also be doing one On election day. We have we have been discussing the all I do is win Expansion pack with quotes from acceptance speeches from throughout the years including whoever delivers one on On on on Tuesday evening. 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Yeah, I looked up. It did not feel long I looked up when we were in the Facebook story and I was like, oh my gosh. It was two o'clock Dude, no, I think I think we did that was that was that was a that was a substantive show. Yeah, we had good stuff Who you got tonight? Oh, I Would why you even ask me that who you got? I've got Indians. I've got Cleveland I'm Cleveland all the way tonight. You're you're you're all you're all in on Jobu. It's klubot, right? Yeah titles Yes There is there's no iron teams because it's not because it's Microsoft not Apple Microsoft teams slacking It took me a moment. I like that dark redeemer put the explanation in it Micro slack Microsoft slacks off Amazon Book of Mordor Dia de los office Microsoft slacked off getting a chat about trying to cut the slack A lot of slacky teams a teams player free at last pass The Twitter who shall not be named Amazon wants to prime you Really mobile office a See if I find some did anyone put Microsoft teams up on slack This is the Microsoft team. Oh, no No team up. It's more of man. Everybody went with Microsoft titles here. Yeah, some good ones hands on the uber body The internet probably in your pocket, I mean do we go with there's no iron teams Justin, what do you think sorry said again? I like that first one. Yeah, there's no iron teams with the parent I will leave it up to you. You want to add the the explainer, you know We'll leave it up and if it gets cut off it gets cut off sometimes whatever I like it You know that I think I do I'm I have to cheer for Cleveland Justin I have to there's no there's no alternative for me. There's no hope for me There's no No, no, no last-minute reprieve. No for the long-suffering. Well, what about hey, by the way, do you know the Bill Murray's a Cubs fan? That's it's crazy. Oh, yeah. No, I've known that for forever. It's crazy Yeah, no that that you know, I would have never known based on all the No, yeah, it's it's funny that they keep it covered up Yeah You know any better too. That's nuts. That's that's crazy that nobody's ever mentioned before that any veteran and and And Bill Murray or Cubs fans. Yeah, if they they should show them in the stands or something, right? It really should I mean the you have that cool fans, you know You really should show them off a little bit and you know instead of keeping them Keep them under wraps Joe Buck. Come on. You know, I don't know. I don't know why they don't mention it Well, it's just seems seems odd. By the way, do you think Joe Buck is biased? No, okay good. I don't I mean I grew up with Jack Buck and loved Jack Buck And so want to love Joe and sometimes I don't love it Joe as much as Jack don't get me wrong But the like petition to have him removed. I'm like, I don't hear the bias. Well, I mean, I don't think that that's real I mean, like, you know, I I mean, obviously it's not real It's but but it it touched a nerve with people who are like, yeah Screw that guy That my ears my only thing about Joe Buck I think he's a better football announcer than he is a baseball announcer Because I think he he has a very propulsive kind of voice that is a hallmark of Like like like football. It's like like and down the field. Like there's a lot of those Like and he always he was rebelling against his dad by liking football instead of baseball like that's just natural But I mean that being said, I think he's certainly knows the stuff like I don't know I really don't I do not personally understand the the announcer hate in in the way that I think some other people feel it very very personally I just wish he'd give John Cusack a little attention. That's all, you know, and Vince Vaughn, you know I think, you know, it's it's about time that is Vince Vaughn. Is he a cubs fan? I think he's also a cubs fan. Sure. Yeah, you know I'll tell you what, uh As much as I like to to needle Cleveland That will be for either team certainly for Cleveland, it will be great to win it in Cleveland And it's a long drought Sure, not as long as the cubs. I understand but But but even for the cubs fans everybody that gets down there that is a great stadium for big games Like like they have all those bars right downtown Like it it it will be a prog No, like Cleveland really uh has a great setup down there like I think it's it's it is it is awesome that uh You know the the Cavaliers on like it was it last night the Cavaliers after they won their game They all just got dressed and got on a golf cart and got just golf cart went over to the game To the game to catch the rest of it. Oh, yeah um You want to know what though I I'm just I'm rooting for the cubs and here's why I can't do another year of it I can't you're you're going to either way I have to do another year of Oh, is this the thing like oh no bill Murray's so nervous like this is uh, I don't know I just need to but listen I was going to a northeastern school that got 40 of their uh, they're they're The the attendance from massachusetts when the red sox broke this tree Like yes, it was very annoying to watch all these mass holes Just jump up and down and act like they did something Uh, but you want to know what it was at least better than them constantly carping about how life was was terrible and they just became insufferable winners as opposed to insufferable losers and I am better equipped to deal with insufferable winners because we've been around we've all been around Cowboys fans our entire life But I don't think it's going to change either way. I mean they've been to a world series now that streak is broken Yeah, they haven't won since 1908 But that's just I mean if they win the world series this year next year is still going to be all of the like Can they do it again? That's sort of I don't know. I don't know no no no no no if they win it Then it'll just be hey look the OBS everyone's going to whaps whaps Like and it'll just be the OBS scene did it and oh look at all these young players And parks and rec was right Yeah, like like there's a Like and they'll just all have a great time from my from my standpoint Uh them winning at all is annoying So to me it almost doesn't matter if they win the series or not because they're gonna We're gonna be really good and win next year and probably go back I can't do I can't I can't add that fresh layer of like No, I'm 18 and I just watched the Cubs not win the championship So not only did my grandfather not see it, but I didn't see it Oh, but to see I feed as a Cardinals fan. We that's that's lunch, you know We spread that on a cracker and and just enjoy it. It's delicious You know your barbarians like I just I can't handle it. I can't I I can't handle that element of Sports like self loving. No, you know, I had my fun trolling Cubs fans in the division series a little bit in the championship series at this point Of course, I'm gonna cheer for Cleveland. It's my it's my duty. It's my responsibility Um, but yeah, if they win, I mean hats off That's a hell of a long time to have to go between series I'm granted the Mariners have never even been, you know, and nobody's crying for the Mariners, but It wasn't any better from Seattle Was it he? That wasn't that. Oh, yeah. Oh, maybe he'll be maybe he'll sing take me out of the ball game for a mariners game when they go to the Well, the whole take me out of the ball game things hilarious because that started with the white socks Yeah, right. Harry carry was a white socks announcer when he started doing that. He only brought it to the Cubs in 82 And then now it's become every park does it so it's actually less special But I remember in the 90s when you'd go to bush stadium in st. Louis You would actually they in the 80s all even they would play here comes the king in the seventh inning stretch Yeah, because Taking out to the ball game was not the thing you did in the seventh inning stretch every park had their own separate thing Yeah, and and I remember I was with a friend of mine in college And we went down to st. Louis to see the Cubs play the cardinals. He was a Cubs fan We sat in the bleachers. He's complaining about the blue. Oh, the bleachers are wriggly are so much better Yeah, whole game But we're still having a good time and then the seventh inning stretch comes and we all stand up and start singing here comes the king Here comes the beer number one, but why is it beer? and he's Slack jod, I'm like what he's like. What are you doing? I'm like, this is what we do in the seventh inning stretch And he's like that's awful. It's a commercial and I'm like Oh, I guess I guess it is. Yes, it is. Yeah, but it's what we do. Do you want a Budweiser? I'm gonna get up frosty cold one Um God Yankees still do yankees do god bless america still right since 9 11 In the seventh inning stretch, I think so Yeah, and what the the the socks and the meds do sweet caroline Oh, do they not do take me out of the ball game at all or do they or when this week caroline I thought sweet caroline was the eighth or something, but I I'm not I don't recall anymore although by the way Uh What an epic talking about putting it in their mouth for baseball to trounce the nfl In the ratings on sunday night football Oh, yeah with the cowboys and the eagles playing a meaningful nfc east division game There was no more take it to the bank Ratings getter than an nfc east game that involved the cowboys Uh That's that's huge. I mean baseball for all the baseball's dead Articles like that had to feel real Well, then you had those nielson numbers about e s p n come out that weekend Uh and the whole death of nfl on tv meme is flying around the nielson, of course pulled those numbers back, but Uh, I I will say this, uh Where the nfl is now It's it's not the product that it used to be They got it. They got a real problem. They they have they have a fundamental product Is it the is it the concussion stuff? Is that What's here? My theory is this and it's related to the concussion stuff and I don't know how the nfl fixes it Is that ultimately they realized that our stars are quarterbacks. So they modified the game to a almost cartoonish degree Uh to protect quarterbacks and wide receivers, right? That meant that you Had to get the best quarterback you can but Because all you need is a franchise quarterback It forced a lot of teams to play a lot of younger quarterbacks Just hoping that they could snap into it So you wind up getting a ton of young quarterbacks With players that they haven't really played with playing sloppy football and at the end of the day When the chips are down and you have a protected position like you do a quarterback You're just going to settle for that four-yard check down Because keeping them healthy if they're okay Is always going to be a priority and that just leads to crappy football Like the game is more boring is what you're saying slow plotting kind of football now Layer that on top The fact that like, you know, we're not in this heyday of like, you know, you want to see An almost hunger games level Uh, uh, you know a look into our past go ahead on youtube and look up the old jacked up segments They used to do on on espn sunday night countdown or whatever like it was just bunch of old, you know, it was uh, uh the boomer, uh, you know The what's his face chris chris burman go burman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, tom jackson and uh, you know, whoever else that was in their studio Just crowing about the gigantic concussion hits That were being doled out like and it's like you just got jacked up And it's like now it's like, oh my god, that would be horrifying Like that would get a call from the league office stop doing that immediately If you were to do it now But you know, that's where the game was at the point that it Precipitated it's most popular and now, you know, listen the only marquee quarterback you have Two marquee quarterbacks are tom brady and erin rogers erin rogers is having a crappy year Tom brady wasn't playing the first four games ben raffles burger You could put put out there. Although he doesn't get all the commercials because you know that You know one one fateful weekend in in you know, georgia And uh, you know, but those are the only players that have name recognition That can carry a broadcast other than that Why are you watching? You know, because it ain't exactly fun anymore Yeah, I I and and at the same time and not that this is making a big Change but you see baseball out there trying to speed up the game And baseball has you know for the large part left its steroids controversy behind Uh, it it had the worst of it 10 years ago so So yeah, you're you're definitely starting to see Baseball looking as a cleaner alternative. Well, I mean baseball is always going to have a a unique proposition though because they have the summer to themselves so it's like They almost don't have to play against anybody's expectations Except their own Like they are always going to live in a vacuum because nothing else is going to happen during the summer's game uh You know football football is in a different situation because you got you know The end of baseball at the beginning of their season and then you have basketball and hockey and and you know to their own Uh, uh, you know with their own different strengths, you know Hockey's basically the the the crunchy roll of sports like all they have Oh, that's a horrible horrible picture. I mean, I'm just you know, it's it is what it is right now I'm one of those guys. I love hockey. I I just want to watch I love crunchy roll. Yeah, so it's like uh, and and basketball is A legitimate star factory Like that's the one thing that basketball has is they got nothing but stars And that's when basketball is at its best And it's and it's been more popular than ever it seems like lately Yeah, and it's an international game, which is the biggest thing and that's why The nfl keeps forcing these teams out to london to play the the shittiest games ever watched So it's a under to under attended Exhibition games where they if they ever get a shot of the stadium like the seats It's like why is the over half of it empty? Yeah, and they keep putting stuff there. It's so dumb. I don't know why they don't do Uh, a game in mexico. I mean to me mexico would be A a far better place for a game, but even then it's like You don't have enough games to spread around You know, uh, the the NBA could do a game in china Come out of the all-star break and and run Sure a game or two in china or something like that and then just put them back on the west coast for Four games or run it as two west coast teams that play the lakers versus the golden state warriors and shanghai Like it'll be a great time for everybody Because you've got a lot of games and and even if it means Oracle or or the stable center giving up a gate Figure it out the nfl can make it up to them It's just crazy to watch the complexion of the chat room change as we talk about sports Is it phase phase? It's dominated by chimera right now. I know. I know i'm watching. No, there's I mean listen man There's a reason why I think common eyes sometimes entertained wild notions of like, you know doing some kind of sports thing in a world Yeah, listen, listen if you're sitting there thinking like, you know what I like listening to tom and justin tuck I don't understand any of the sport stuff that they're saying but you know, I wish I did Because it's fun and I'm not I'm not saying all of you were saying that But if that's what you've been thinking to yourself like I just wish they were talking about something I cared more about but I like I like the pattern check out fsl tonight calm It's exactly this pattern that we've been talking about but about science fiction and fantasy franchises They're gonna get all the references. Don't worry And you'll feel like oh now I understand sports because you're talking about the chorus and senators in those words That's the only the only really funny thing is like The the the criticism of sports or sports talk I always find to be like so reductive and so much of a reminder of People who had just completely Uh shallow end arguments about tech, you know when I was when I was growing up where it's just Like oh beep-bop boop-bop nerd boy. Like what are you doing where it's like like, you know on the other now It's like well sports ball my sports team's better than your local team like look at that And it's like yeah, especially with with the merging Of uh of you know money ball type stuff and and alias sports bureau stats A lot of really interesting stuff to talk about in sports. Like yeah, like you totally You know, there's there's a lot of interesting stuff and and it intersects with life and culture and television and entertainment and morality like There's there's a ton of sure. I mean it's There's many things to be said about sports and it does Overlay a lot of the human experience. Hey guys check this out What diamond club tv app is up live on the itunes store Look at that screenshot of justin robert young It's the same. Oh, it's a different shirt different shirt. It's almost the same. That's last night That's last night's night attack. You can download it right now on itunes for your ios device This app is designed for both the iphone and the ipad And get all the diamond club dot tv love Sergeant muffin says it's not showing up on the phone yet if you search directly I've found that a lot of times you just need to go right to the To the website and then click through because search doesn't work real well Oh, so wait, is there a diamond club tv slash app or something like that? Well, no, you just go to the itunes link for this Where is the itunes thing? Uh, I will put it in chat or it's in chat sergeant muffins put it in chat At 2 38 p.m All right, I'll get it. I'm gonna get it off my phone later. That's amazing. That's great And I know he had sergeant muffins built in some amazing shit in there. Yeah, man Get in my phone Uh Well, we're almost published Sound like took forever today. It's a long show Yeah, I guess that's true. It was a longer show has to condense all those meaty topics It was like a four course meal of nothing but meat Sounds delicious. Oh, look at this. All right. So speaking of sports Big 10 We'll begin playing games on Friday nights in what? The new tv contract which begins next season will include a package of six Friday night games As of course reported by the chicago tribune Oh, so always on Friday nights No Friday night games will be limited to september and october and won't include every team schools with huge stadiums Such as penn state and ohio state won't be asked to host them And michigan has declined to participate in Friday night games at home or on the road Well, illinois has a pretty damn big stadium too, but And they are out by the south farm. So it's easier to siphon the traffic off. I guess so penn state has Said that they will not host a Friday night game Michigan state will Interesting That is another if you look at the rise Of espn it is almost directly correlated to College football expanding from saturday And that's something I think they if they do it right they can negotiate an elegant jump to Getting those games directly into the hands of the fans who want to pay for them And not lose a ton of money Well, you know, here's here's the thing with uh with with the espn hemorrhaging uh subscribers You we are closer to cord cutting If espn is shedding viewers like that for definitely. Yeah Uh, you are going Basically, uh, the money might be The same going forward with these rights deals But the leagues will be able to negotiate greater freedoms And I think one of those greater freedoms is going to be the ability to sell their own their own product Hey speaking of selling your own product Do you do you real time monitor the pin orders of the new contender lapel pins? Uh, yeah, they pop up on my phone. Oh, do they so so then I mean just saying somebody ordered one How long would they have to wait for you to package it and sell it send it? I'm literally going right to Two guts and glory. I'm packaging it up and I'm sending it out right after that So if you ordered right now If you ordered right now You all these orders. Hey, look at that. Oh, look at that uh to No, I'm like they're a top merit. Oh, like Oh Read a shipping Don't worry homie. I'll juice you up. All right. All right. Does I was just asking for a friend That's a really really bad image when you say I'm going to juice you up That's a quote. That's a quote from cable. I want to wear it on election night. That's still it's still a bad image Yeah The pope could have said it could have been a quote from the pope It's still a bad image. Great. Would the pope be quoting cable guy? No, the new pope jude law might he wouldn't do that. That was uh That was only the one pope uh Pope john paul where he did the hand thing Yeah, um Apparently apparently uh your friend in mind buddray as jay Has a photo with the pope that he cannot send me over any kind of digital with any kind of digital footprint But he he's going to show me the next time I see him in person. Oh my gosh. That's amazing All right, uh, we are off the air never thought I would say in my life I have a secret question. I have to ask justin robber young so I have to cut the cut the broadcast folks Goodbye everybody