 And it is 7 o'clock that we have the minutes of October 3rd 2017 to approve tonight and we do have a quorum of those who were present at the last meeting to do that. So is there motion? I'd move to approve the minutes of the meeting October 3rd 2017 with any corrections or amendments there too. Let's see we're second. I'll second that. Just one thing on number five. Everything there is fine. I just wonder if it should reflect that something along the lines of the select board concurred with the restriction agreement or had no objections to it. Just there were no objections noted that's true. Yeah and so I just wanted there should be a statement along those lines. It just it talks about it was discussed but I think it should reflect you know that we had no objections. Yeah I think that's how it would be. So I'll add the sentence at the very end that paragraph. Yep no objections were noted by the select board. Okay. Does Kate Warner's name but really Warner not Warner? It spelled a little bit funny. I think it was Warner and both there and then the others present. Yeah I'm pretty sure it's okay. I email for now. No it's WANNER. So in both places and others present and in under item number five as well. Okay. Anything else on page one? Page two under number six the very first sentence where it talks about the first round of interviews were held for the assistant should be assistant to the town manager. Okay. Anything else on page two? If not all those in favor of approving the minutes of October 3rd 2017 say aye. Aye. And there are no opponents and we had three votes yes so we legally do that. This is a time on the agenda for public comment so does anyone in the audience who wishes to make any comments on anything it's either on the agenda or not on the agenda this is a time for you to do so see yes. What happened to the $100,000 that was listed in the first quarter of 2017 on his minutes that he had you know he had you know he lists out the staffing the payable and everything. Okay. On first quarter 2017 it's like 370 some thousand dollars and then the next quarter same number of people it's only 200 some thousand wondering why that why was that one quarters of a hundred thousand dollars difference. So the last page it's in the last page of his report. The quarterly report? Yeah. The reason one that came out you talk about the financial report of the quarterly report. The one that's the one that's was on your website for tonight the last that has a break out has a fire department has the library report. Quarterly report. Okay. Quarterly report that. Going to the very last page of the quarterly report. The grant records. What? The grant records is the very last page of the quarterly report. And you know break out by employees salary for the quote you know for the quarter. It's I'm not sure even if I we knew exactly what page you were talking about I would be able to answer it at this point. I was curious you know I think I was assuming it was a typo but I'm just kind of curious. I'd be happy to research it for you if maybe you call me tomorrow or actually the finance director to call the financial she would be the one that best be on the answer I think. I do just a curious question. Notice that you know it wasn't like there was a huge change in employees in fact it isn't until your first quarter of 2018 that employee count actually goes down one. I see that. The full time employees in the first quarter. Okay now look at the line right below it first quarter 17 if you found that look at the amount of money there and then look at the next quarter over. I was curious why was this huge amount in that quarter and not in the next. Oh that's probably summer personnel. Oh okay. We have a lot of seasonal people doing summer programs and things. I like that. Any further public comment? If not then we will go on to board applications and interviews and so tonight we have four people to interview and I'd like to do the two for the development review board first and call Courtney Daugherty and Paul Pritchinson to the table here if you would please. So we do have your resume is in front of us as well and so if you would both tell it give introduce yourselves for the cameras benefit and our viewing public and for us always we pretty much know who you are. Give us a brief description of your background and why you would like to be on the DRB. Oh thank you. Well I just applied because you know now that I'm retired and I can't be on the fire department because of being on the family trust I figured I might as good back to the town since I've always been giving back to the town and there seemed to be a need because apparently there was opening so I said fine I'll do it and in my experiences basically I spent seven or eight years on the volunteer department made most of the calls. In fact I think I was the number one call runner for the seven years I was there and I retired from the department primarily because the trust would not insure me I couldn't be the chief trustee and be on the fire department because they thought the fire was too dangerous and in terms of the knowledge of the area well I pretty much have been to most people's homes in this town either as an EMT or as a fireman and so figured this is another aspect to give back. My name is Courtney Doherty and I am a Williston resident homeowner from about five years ago with a daughter in the Williston school system so it seems to be a good time in my life to start giving back to the community that's been something that I've enjoyed living in for the last five years. My background is not with any of the Williston Development Review Board activities but it is as an insurance accountant so I seem to have a niche for enjoying roles and regulations and being able to dive into the details of different situations. Questions from the board? My first my overall thank you both for your interest. I am particularly interested in you Courtney only because you're bringing both of you for that matter but you're bringing absolutely no experience into it which is to me a really cool thing and it gives you a chance to a fresh set of eyes and in something so I really appreciate that. How are you going to get yourself up to speed in that world? Well it seems to be a pretty big world. I opened up the documents and started reading the 323 pages. It was a good bedtime reading. You know honestly I think as I heard you mentioned earlier it takes time and I think observing is definitely one of the key ways to get up to speed that and obviously doing independent research. I am pretty resourceful. I don't mind asking questions and and really just kind of diving in in that direction self-directed so I think through experience through time. I was a problem solver for over 20 years with the federal government with the Defense Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency, Central Intelligence Agency, few other agencies and basically in terms of coming up to speed in 20 years I was lucky. I saw most of the problems that I was presented with. In fact one of the systems I developed for our federal government in fact is still running today. They tried to replace it now three or four times and even with my assistance trying to replace it they have not been able to update it so I'm still on call to the Pentagon once in a while. My question is along the lines of trying to explore do you understand what your role will be on the DRB, the concept of interpreting the bylaws and applying them to specific applications that come in and in particular sometimes the conflicts that can maybe arise out of that and by conflicts I mean somebody who wants to do something that's maybe different than what the bylaws will allow. Maybe for instance an example you sometimes here is a national company that wants to come in and use their national you know I don't know what the right word is but they're kind of like logo their image but yet that's in conflict with how our bylaws are written and I just want to gain understand how you would handle those types of situations where you're evaluating a proposal that you have questions about whether it is in compliance with the bylaws or you know maybe you've drawn the conclusion downright isn't but you may actually disagree with your fellow board members so I don't know if I formed that into a question feel free to answer how we feel best. You're looking at me so I'm going to assume that's directed at me. It's directed at both of you. For me personally I feel like you know there's there's always a balance that is needing to be struck in those situations and the bylaws obviously are are the hard-fast rules that we're looking at and using as our guidelines but I do believe that there may be situations where it would be in our best interest to accept some of the situations if it ended up being whether they would choose to come to Williston or not. I would certainly lean heavily on members of the board that do have more experience until I've had more of those situations but like I said I think you do the research you ask the right questions and really see what the whole picture is. Thank you. Well the first thing is depending on how badly they want to bend the bylaws then we kick the we kick the problem to you guys. We can basically say we will look into this but basically the bottom line is this panel is what makes the final decision. I mean we can make a recommendation. We can sit there and say gee this is the greatest thing since sliced bread but here's the rules that have to be considered. You guys are the ultimate authority at that point. You have to make the decision. We make me sound more important than I feel at times. Well I'm just saying as a select board should the select board overrules all the other committees correct or incorrect. Yeah but I try to say is the final word could come from here. In terms of policy but in terms of the actual projects that's all the DRB. I'm saying is that if there's if there's a development and the development appears to violate the bylaws and we're in favor of it. It still has to be presented up here saying it's it's there's negatives because something has to be addressed but you guys are gonna have to make the final say because we can't just sit there and say oh we're gonna just overrule the rules. Then my my other question is is I want to make sure you're well let me preference it by saying I think the DRB is one of the if not the toughest job in town at least in terms of a volunteer committee both in terms of time commitment but also probably in terms of sort of the mental effort if you will that needs to go in at prepping for meetings and you know as I was talking about some of the conflicts that may arise and some of the angst that it may cause in you as you're having to deal with it so I just want to hear from both of you that you're willing to go forward and you have a good not a good but you're comfortable with that I don't think I'm gonna make a lot of new friends yeah I mean I understand that it actually before I answer that question could you tell me other than obviously the by monthly meetings you know you mentioned the time commitment what do you envision that time commitment being oh first you have to do the 40 hours of training no I'm kidding it's probably yeah I mean first getting as you said the learning curve part but then it's also the the the preparation for each meeting those are detailed reports that you'll be getting and part of the difficulty I see it not the difficulty maybe the time commitment the time burner part of it is going into those reports that are prepared by staff and they're great reports but you've got to really dive into it to make sure you understand and over time I assume the commitment gets left but still just to get through a whole report it's going to take a while and then you're dealing with multiples of these during an evening so that's I think what I mean by the time commitment. Since I'm retired other than farming the only time I would be stretched for time is during hay season but other than that I'm just counting down the days to my required withdrawal of Social Security this next June I've got plenty of time I mean I basically still read a book a week I still read the Washington Post the New York Times like I said I basically was an information sponge when I was in the government and I'm still doing it so and that you sit there and say about making friends and enemies no no no I didn't say that I'm just saying about the the implication that you know you can run a follow-up people well when you stand up in a meeting until the Secretary of Defense that he cannot do what he wants to do let's put it this way you learn you learn about how suddenly cold a room can get even though you're right so like I said I've never worried about that. I do realize it is a time commitment I am not retired. I still have quite a few years before I'm ready to take that route but you know I do have good time management and don't foresee any issues with that and should we mutually agree that it's a good fit. Okay good thank you both of you. Further questions? Thank you very much we expect to make a decision later on tonight so thank you for coming in. So I'll call next then Sarah Francisco who was seeking to be a representative on Lake Iroquois Recreation District to welcome again if you would introduce yourself and give us a brief history of your background and why you like to be on the Lake Iroquois board. My background is in speech language pathology special ed. I lived in Williston knows in 2001 we built our first house in Brennan Woods and for the past five years we've lived out near Lake Iroquois next to Lake Iroquois on the corner of B.B. Lane so it's practically in our backyard and when I saw the from porch forum message looking for someone for this committee I didn't even know there was a committee so I was intrigued and I'm constantly volunteering for things. I have two kids my daughter's at CVU and my son is now at the middle school at Williston Central and he has asked me to stop volunteering at the school so this is the volunteer thing I can do please stop coming to my school so I think it's perfect to do this next Lake Iroquois really just right next door for us so for the past five years we've been using the lake for kayaking and the beach in the summer I run at least two or three times a week I run around the lake and I attempt the trails and usually get lost or trip or it's it's fairly dangerous to me so I'm not sure what this committee entails but I'm eager I'm I'm assuming it includes the other towns as well so I'm also here to learn like are we going out with chainsaws are we planning I I can not do chainsaws but I can do other things so you're probably aware that Lake Iroquois has a real problem with the algae but the milfoil I get those emails when when there's an alert don't go in the water we're asked every year to try to donate some money to to that to cause to try to eradicate the the problem so that would be some of the things that you're I think you would be addressing actually the I want to be there's two separate organizations right so you're you're thinking of Lake Iroquois Association which is different than the recreation district department is the Lake Iroquois rec district district is separate from the then there means right the main function of the recreation district is to manage the beach area and the little park that goes around it so our question was from the board well my question was going to be along the lines of you know understanding what the responsibilities of the district district members at the correct term and you you explained your love for Lake Iroquois which is great I was trying to get at what would you bring as a board member in terms of you know those skills that would would would help the district or help you know would I know I'm having a little trouble framing my question I apologize for that okay I've trouble framing my answer I'm not quite sure what the committee is I could bring anything I have children and we I could help plan things I don't know if it's planning or beach I I'm unsure but I have plenty of time a piece of it will be budget piece of it and Rick I look to you to help with explaining what it does a piece of it would be the coordination that needs to happen between the three three or four four municipalities that jointly are part of the district I don't hear much so it tells me there's not a lot of conflict a lot of problems but I'm sure there's there's plenty of coordination that needs to happen I know there's some rotating responsibilities between the town so those are the type things I think you would you would be tapped to you know provide input on representing Williston is there one Williston person one person from each town or more Williston one from each town like an ambassador okay and then reporting back to this group or reporting back to nobody the ultimately you yes you would report back to the board how we do that this it can be by email or you know once a year meeting there's a we actually have a guide that's available to people who serve on regional boards and this is considered a kind of a regional board since it's multi-town group and that provides some guides on how to represent the town and how to communicate back to the board that's available online five years ago when we moved to our current house the trails in the back we we got lost many times and I think we went to the town to debate our taxes or something asked about is there a day where people come and volunteer for trail maintenance and they went that would be great and it was kind of like put our own little trail markers up so I would I would be more interested in that as well and that would be a responsible the district since it's not a town of Williston facility yeah would be the poor towns together and doing that I'm always over there so I can ask how old how old is your son that he's rejecting your presence just turned 11 it was last at the end of fourth grade last year I used to do once a week in his class since kindergarten up until last year and then there was a field trip and then another field trip and the PE was doing their bicycle unit and they said we really need a mom to come and do bikes with these kids and he saw me there with my bike helmet and he just I understand my 12 year old daughter's favorite thing to say to me these days is you're not funny dad you know what I said and I say back to her yes I am you just don't get it for the questions thank you thank you very much and our last interview tonight is with Lauren yandell who's interested in being a lister so again if you would introduce yourself and give us a little bit of your background and you're interested in being a lister my legal name is Lauren kumchen but people know me as Lauren yandell because I'm up on Oak Hill Road where the handles have their property I'm a mother of three boys who are now in their 20s and I have actually had more free time now because they're obviously on their own and we've had other family issues with like elderly parents and that's kind of all died down so I do a lot of volunteer stuff but I work part-time for the census bureau and that was what piqued my interest in the lister board because I work with a lot of listers in towns in Chittenden and LaMoyle counties on a pretty regular basis and half for five years and you know I chat with these people and I look at their cards and get all the information and you know just when I saw there was a vacancy I thought that might be something I I could do it does interest me how assessments are done I like learning how systems are developed or have been developed and how they work so it's just to me very interesting there's a lot of math involved in going from the assessments to the tax rates and you know I I have a big learning curve but it just it interests me enough that I will do that and I guess my other part-time job is I sub at the school so I feel like I'm kind of connected to the community and this is just one more way to be connected and I think my family would like me to be doing it so I'm not just hanging out at home so yeah I don't know if that's enough information or questions for you the question from the board remember how I said the DRB is probably the toughest job in town the Listers is probably the next you know it's a difficult position simply because of the concept of you're generating the assessed value of a piece of property that the town's interest is that it be fairly assessed so the appropriate taxes will be raised from it the homeowners interest is that that assessment be as low as possible even though it thus has no reflection on the sell price where they ever to go to sell it so there's a natural conflict there and so my question really I have no doubt you'll be able to pick up the the computer skills needed the software that's used the the right approach when you're dealing with folks over we need to do assessment we need to change your assessment we need to check that addition you added whatever interaction you have but I guess so I guess my question is really focused on the concept of the potential for and we need the word conflict that may not be the best word grievance but also just you know folks are gonna be frustrated when they learn that taxes are going their assessed value is going up thus their taxes will be going up so I'll tell you people don't like to see me when I come to the door for the senses because I don't want to do it so I just I know I would just pull on the facts you know the information to calm people down and and plus I'm a very I'm a quiet patient listener so I think that would help you know I understand that there could be conflict that way and then the other pieces there's just I'm sure at times there's just they're going to be times and with there is a ton of work to do we just went through our reassessment so we're over that but who knows when the next one right yeah I was talking oh Rick and I emailed a little bit about that I understand there isn't that much work now it sounds like it's summertime where you have the grievance process and other issues and then whenever the next and so I think the learning curve from now till when that gets busy is perfect for me like I can then my other question is as you mentioned census and working with Listers I just I don't know you don't understand that I didn't understand the connection oh okay so the work I do for the US Census Bureau is the American Community Survey but in that process of conducting the survey which is done most people don't realize it's not a decennial survey anymore it's done every month in every state you know just random selection of households so if there's nobody at that house then I have to work with a Lister usually to figure out what is it vacant is it for sale is it you know what's what's going on yeah so you know it's either I go into the office or I call and and then we update that information on the Census Bureau website yeah okay and is there a connection between us I'm sorry this is more my work related question this has nothing to do with is there a relationship between the US Census and the American Community since what is it survey yeah I mean the Census does a lot of surveys but the main one is the American Community Survey okay I mean that goes on all the time US Census Bureau okay yeah we just but we just did a housing survey you know across the state Vermont different we we got like an 80% response right because we get out there and we have to knock on doors and these the surveys are like 30 minutes long so my husband always says I'm so amazed you get people to cooperate but most people are really nice and really understand that's what I find that the people who are you know not cooperative are fewer and far between and and can be convinced often it may take the second interaction when they realize well I really should do this you know you can I can fall back on things like well it's mandatory or you know you've got to do it for your community I have a lot of you know things I can say and that's what I probably would bring to the board too is just to make help people understand the purpose and not trying to screw people over okay great thank you I'm ready to go you I'm sure you're aware this is an elected position and if you're appointed to it you'd be if you wish to run for re-election in or we run for election in March so is there an opening now yes there is oh okay because on the website I think it's still us three people right there's one person who's moved out of town I believe so okay all right and I also understand that the meetings are in the morning no no not necessarily oh okay whatever they can get all three of them together they coordinate the schedules themselves but it's like Dick Ransom and do they come to the meetings they staff does usually yes supports the listeners and Dick Ransom is another Bill Hinman is the so it needs to fit with their schedule too okay sometimes they'll do late afternoon early evening whatever fits the Lister schedule as well thank you very much so we're at the point where appointments are in order I'd ask you to hold off on the Lister appointment until last because we do have two candidates for that position the others have sort of eliminated themselves or from a couple of positions that they wish to what they applied for so we're down I think to eight people eight for eight positions at this point and holding off the Listers until the last and there are some recommended motions to make can I do them as one big group you may do that I'd move to a point Kaylin McKee is the town's alternate representative on the Chittenden Solid Waste Districts Board of Commissioners for term ending June 30th 2019 I've moved to a point Courtney Doherty to the Development Review Board for term ending June 30th 2020 moved to appoint Paul Christiansen to the Development Review Board for term ending June 30th 2019 moved to appoint James Thornton to the Historic and Architectural Advisory Committee for term ending June 30th 2019 moved to appoint Sarah Francisco to the Lake Airacore Recreation District for term ending June 30th 2018 and would also move to appoint Michelle Dezetel, Ruth Schiff and Cindy Provost to the Social Service Committee. Motion has been made in second. Is there any discussion on the motion? Yeah just a question on the motion if you don't mind. Cindy Provost was interested in both Listers and Social Services. We do have essentially no number of people that could that could serve on the Social Service Committee. I guess my question was going to be along the lines of we could appoint her to the Social Service Scholarship Committee as well as a Lister. Yes. And do we know that she'd be okay with being on both? She indicated that she would. Okay I just don't remember. We interviewed her last week. Okay I didn't know if it was in either or or both. No. I don't remember. My recollection was no that was not either or. It was not one or the other. Okay. Any further discussion on the motion? Hearing none. All those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No abstentions. And then we have the opportunity to appoint a person to the Listers and that comes down to either Cindy Provost or Lauren Yantel. Any Pardon me? Yes she was. We do have her application. Hang on a sec. The small business owner, this property management homeowner and I think she told us she'd been in town for I think five or six years. Since 2001 my notes indicated. 2001. Yeah. I really liked Cindy and I don't know something struck me about her attitude. I wrote in my I take these cryptic notes and here I'll just read it to you so you'll see how cryptic they are. It says J.F.'s opinion plus meaning good thing for the Lister position. Something about her really struck me but and sorry there's a but here. Lauren I think well I'll just be blunt. Sorry Lauren interviewed very well and I think it's a stronger candidate. Is there comments or is there a motion to be made? Any other then I will move to point the right word. Yes. Lauren Yantel to a term. It's not to a term to fulfill the fill the I'm sorry is there a motion that I don't have fully yes yeah let me dig out the manager's report first okay first one I moved to a point I moved to a point Lauren Yantel to the board of Listers until the next election set for March 2018. Second. All second. So discussion on the motion. I really don't I I really don't like being in this position we have two candidates I think both are good but we got to choose one and I just explained why I chose Lauren over over Cindy. Have any welfare candidates sorry it's a problem with having a wealth of candidates it's it's both a benefit it's a good thing and a curse. Any further discussion on the motion. Hearing none all those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Any opposed. No abstentions so we're taking care of that business tonight and move on to the library board of trustees annual report we just always look very much forward to a hearing from the library on their yearly visit to us and looks like Carla Carson's president of the board and Marty Fisk who's our library director are here as well as the number of people on the board that I recognize the act but perhaps in your comment shoot to introduce the board as well. The president is our is is Barbara Meader and Jude Hersey Barbara's the secretary. We know Barbara has been with us for something like 33 years. She was our friend Marshall. I expected the wave and Stephen Perkins couldn't see behind Barbara one of our newer members. Okay you probably remember last year my presentation was shortly after the Olympics and I talked about the gold medal qualities of the director and staff at the Dorothy Ailing Memorial Library. These gold medal performances continue day after day but I'd like to pursue a different theme tonight that of gratitude. John F. Kennedy said we must stop we must find time to stop and thank the people who make a difference in our lives and that is what I would like to do today. The D. A. M. L. Board would like to thank the select board and town manager Rick Mcguire who supported the additional hours for a staff member to become full-time and the Wilson voters who approved the budget that allowed that change to occur. Williston continues to grow and those new to the community quickly realize what a marvel they have in our wonderful library. The additional hours have improved the efficiency and productivity of the staff which increases the level of service to those visiting the library both long-term patrons and those new to the community. We would also like to thank Marty and her staff Debbie Jill Kathy Kim Christina Sarah and the newest member Allison for all they do to keep Dorothy Ailing Memorial Library humming like a well-oiled machine. Each staff member has their particular responsibility but they never hesitate to lend a hand when needed or provide feedback and support if called on. You sense the competence collegiality and warmth of the staff as soon as you walk in the door and are pleasantly greeted by whoever is working at the front desk standing ready to answer a reference question collect return books or provide directions for Wi-Fi access. Thanks also to the volunteers that work at the library the teen employees and the friends of the library who generously give their time and expertise. Each room supports the mission of the library and adds to the positive atmosphere present. The 4th of July book sale sponsored by the Friends provides additional financial support for special programs and helps point to spotlight on the wonderful work done at the library. Kudos also to those who plan and run the many programs at the library. The Tuesday afternoon programs for the school children continue to be a big hit and the eclipse party was a once or twice in a lifetime experience. We'll know how to do it right. We didn't write the first time. It'll be even better. The peace project, the Daniel Webster program, income tax assistance, the summer reading program, current events and parenting advice enable the Williston community to come together in many different ways. Finally, three cheers and a huge thank you to the Williston community itself. In an age of increased technology use and immediacy you take time to slow down, be present and enjoy all the library has to offer. Your feedback and ideas keep our library current, fun and relevant. Your support and patronage show the love you have for the Dorothy Ailey Memorial Library. As we look to the future we hope to respond to the faith you have in us by continuing to be the very best library we can be. To return your trust and affection many times over. Gracias, merci, danke, asante, thank you. Thank you very much. So does the board have some questions for I have one later on. I had the opportunity to look at the quarterly report and really impressed by the numbers that almost all categories have gone up. There was one question I had regarding a problem that I read about in the quarterly report and that's the residents request to remove seven days newspaper. It looked like you were having a meeting last night to resolve the issue and was it resolved and if so how? Yes, the board voted to not change how we allow people to access the paper within the library. A note is being drafted at this point to notify the challenger and to explain the reasons why that was chosen. One of the main things was that as you may know the local news cycle should say news access has changed dramatically in the last decade or so and the seven days has really become the source for classifieds for housing for jobs for items for sale local news in depth reporting of governance in the chinning county area as well as as the state level legislature and to remove that access to that sort of information because of some articles that are challenging to people would not be a good balance. Any further questions from the board? It's my classic question and it is budget season is approaching way too quickly and so what can we expect? Essentially no real changes from last year. We're just continuing with what the projects we've got going on. We're still working on the space reconfiguration project so we have the same amount we've had in the last few years set aside for that. The idea was to you know go at this as level approach as possible. We still have probably another couple to three years left on that project. I say probably closer to three. We haven't started with the adult reading room yet and while we have done some work in the youth reading room not as much as what we have planned in total. So we're probably looking at at least three maybe four more years of working through that. Okay the mobile library dotty? Yeah. Just how's it going? It's going really well. We had a really nice turnout for the hour and a half or two hours or so of the Chatter Challenge. Getting people signed up for library cards, getting materials out, giving people a chance to look through it. So that was really nice. The visits have started back up again as of this month to the day cares. We're working on shifting schedules so that we can best meet the needs of the teachers in those preschools. Every year they have to do this sort of reshuffle with all of the different outside organizations and so sometimes it happens that only so-and-so can come to our usual time and so we have to shift our time. That's working out really well. We're doing a lot of classroom support. A lot of probably three out of the four different day cares that we visit do preschool teaching. It's not just childcare so we're pulling in extra support materials for their curriculums, purchase materials that are going to stay on the bookmobile specifically that can be used year after year in these sorts of pre-school education programs. How do you coordinate that? How do you know what is needed? For instance, a preschool might be looking for. It's all being done by Sarah Hibbler who is our Youth Services Assistant. She's part-time and she has at least three hours a week dedicated to just the preschools and their bookmobile service. She spends time with them by email, by telephone, making arrangements to see what it is that they need for the next visit, talking to them about what they have as ongoing projects or if there's some special project that they need support on. For the questions, we really appreciate the work of the board and all of your staff as well. It's a first-class library. No question about it. So thank you very much for being here tonight. So we'll move on to the Mud Pond Conservation Area Management. We have Nick Warner, the Executive Director of the Onoski Valley Park District with us tonight to talk a little bit about the memo that he has written to us as well. I'm scared to follow up after the library. You have to talk about the person setting up the agenda. That was great. And thanks for your time tonight. I just want to preface by a couple things. First of all, this is a conversation that's active with the Conservation Board and I've had a chance to meet with them once to present the idea. We're also meeting again tomorrow morning. But I just really wanted to put this out there and have this discussion. And I do have my board's authorization to have the discussion. We've not made any formal action, but I actually had a board meeting earlier tonight. So if I seem a little fatigued, I've already had two hours of meetings. But obviously, I've been before you guys over the last few years. And we've had close involvement and great support from the town of Williston for a lot of years. And we've over the last several years, since I've been on board, I started in 2014. We've had a lot of discussions about our relationships with towns and each town has its own DNA and its own issues. And to be blunt, we manage eight acres of land in the town of Williston. And that's been an issue in terms of what kind of value we're bringing to the town. And I don't disagree that that should be a concern of the town. The counter argument that we've always made is we're running a regional park district, which with all of our properties available to the public at no charge, that's a valid argument. But I also have felt from the beginning in this position that we should play a larger role within the town of Williston. And I felt that I just would be proactive. And I've had numerous conversations with your great environmental planner, Melinda Scott, about this and also met with Wreck and let him know that I was going to be making this pitch. And, you know, I want to change the narrative. This is the main goal. We serve you guys. And currently, I think you have this spectacular collection of properties that the town has accumulated over time. And as Jeff knows, I actually staffed the conservation board when you served on it back in the mid 90s and was around helping to work with the McKays on the donation of an easement to get, you know, Five Tree Hill up and going. And there's been a lot of history with us working with you to develop parks, including some very recent history with Allenbrook and Mudpond. So my first goal with the town was to really build a relationship and begin to understand the story behind the story behind the story. And there's a number of things. I think, first of all, the town very rightly wants to have control over its assets. And I had a very interesting conversation with Mike Harris when he was on his way out from conservation board. And he was on the board back when Jeff was there. And his big issue is we want to make sure we control our assets. We want to make sure that if we need to slice and dice to accommodate to development or if we need to put an easement across a property or if we need to have flexibility and management that if we pass the keys to an entity like the park district that we're going to lose that control. I got that. There's also concerns. I think Rick and I have had some great discussions about how we're funded in our funding formula, which takes population and equalized grand list and does a calculation based on that to allocate costs across towns. I understand that. My board is really wrestled with looking at alternatives around that. And I plan to come back to this board to have another discussion about that. But as my approach to these things is if I landed on earth yesterday and I looked at the situation, what would I think? And my thought was we just don't manage a park in the town of Williston that is completed within its borders that is substantial, that is visible, that we can bring value to the town of Williston. So I approached Melinda and I said, you know, I look at the parks that you have under management and ownership. And the reason I wanted to pitch Mud Pond and there's a caveat to that too was it's high value from a conservation standpoint. There's zero chance of it ever going to development. It's very fragile ecologically, has significant public access opportunities, educational opportunities, and it's got a parking problem that's associated with the country park. And so I felt, okay, if we came in and worked with you on that parcel, we could invest capital and time into solving the parking problem. We could do a good job of managing the park. We could market it. We could do educational programs, all the values that we bring to our other assets. And, you know, Melinda didn't think it was a bad idea to be clear. She's, I'm not asking her to support or not support it. Subsequent to that conversation, just a couple of days ago she mentioned the Jacob parcel. So I'm going to amend this entire conversation to say that that's also a parcel that potentially the park district could work with the town on. And I know it's on the agenda tonight and you guys don't own it yet. But she, you know, made the point that, and this is actually a point that Gary Holly made during conservation board, is that could be a soup to nuts conversion of a parcel that is not developed as a park where we could come in and use our resources, knowledge, and abilities to bring it to bear as being a public resource. Now, ownership is an issue for us. But you need to understand is like, you know, I obsess over these things. So I've been through all the paperwork for every park we own. We have reversionary clauses of some kind in every single park that we own, either it's through Land and Water Conservation Fund or VHCB Land Trust. Whereas, if we fail to manage properly, if we go belly up, if we try to turn into an ATV park and being facetious here, the land reverts back to either the original grantor, or it's given to a different organization that can properly manage it. So any pitch that I make to you, I make with the strong assertion that we would want to have a strong reversionary clause and any transfers such that the town could say, you know, we don't like the way you're managing the park, and we're going to take it back from you. And that is, that is what's held over our head with the other parks that we own. And I think it's actually brings a lot of power to us because it makes us do our job. So I really felt strongly that I wanted to be proactive with this idea. And so I pitched it to my board and they've been supportive of this. Rita couldn't be here tonight. So I can't speak for her. But if you know the first step really is the conservation board, they're aware of this, we're going to have further conversations tomorrow. At some point in the next couple of few months, we'll probably get a recommendation up or down from them. I think they're intrigued by it. I think they're intrigued by the whole concept of just changing the narrative about our relationship with you guys. Because to my mind, we work for you. We should be managing more land. The control issue, I think it'd be solved with a reversionary clause. The management issue, you have direct accountability with a trustee on our board. I feel like there could be a relationship built around one of these parks through our ownership and management that could just change substantially the relationship between the town and the park district. So that's my pitch. We'd like to hear your thoughts at this point. So questions from the board? A couple if you don't mind. The first one is actually, Ash Rick has Melinda at all provided any feedback? The feedback, of course, would be through the conservation commission. They really haven't had a chance to. They've met once. They've considered it. Frankly, we do have one conservation commission member here, but my understanding is their reception was somewhat lukewarm to the concept. I'm talking only about the mud pond area. The other area wasn't a matter of discussion at the meeting, as I understand it. And that actually leads to my next question about the proposal is my question was, is it just, I say just, please don't read anything into that mud pond country park. I'm hearing tonight it might be the Jacob property, assuming I assume we're going to move ahead with the Jacob property. Is there would it make sense for it to be expanded to the mud pond? I'm sorry. It's only about the mud pond conservation area. Yes, correct. Would it make sense to expand it to the country park also? Given that there's the connection between the two, the parking being one of the connections, the other being, you know, people who walk at the, sorry, the conservation area may end up also using the country park. You know, potentially we don't manage any areas that have mountain biking. And that's, that's a, that would be frankly just from a practical day-to-day management standpoint, a big departure for us. But, you know, to me, it's, it's about establishing a relationship and a likely possibility. So if that came up as a need for the town, and there was a way for us to viably manage it, I think my board would consider it. As I was thinking this through a little bit, I do remember riding my mountain bike from over by the, the, the McNeil power plant to the Winooski Valley Park District's property on what I would call a trail system. Yep. So I guess in a sense you do have some. Right, that's part of the Burlington bike path. Okay. Yep. All right. So that's not you guys. Right. We, but you know, the country park is a destination mountain biking facility. I mean, it's pretty substantial. So, you know, it would, I would be comfortable taking on, you know, and we've taken, we're very familiar with mud pond conservation area. I think my park superintendent would be comfortable taking on management without having significant changes. And I don't know what your relationship is with, you know, the fellowship of the wheel and the Vermont Mountain Biking Association. And I presume they have involvement in contracts, and I don't pretend to know how those work or where the resources come from. But you know, we're in the business of it. We have a very prescribed way of looking at properties from their conservation values. So the first thing we'd look at is what is the real conservation value of the land? And could there viably be, I think there is actually a Vermont Land Trust easement on that parcel. But part of our model is to have lands that we know are going to be locked up in conservation over the long term. So, you know, those two things would be looked at. Okay. I'm on page three. And I guess my big question is, and you you actually touched on it a little bit in your introductory comments were what I wrote down here is invest capital in the parking area. Correct. And and my question really, as I was reading through what it is, the Park District would do or do for Williston, if you will. It talked about capital plan. It didn't talk about what financial resources the district might bring to the management of the park. If capital reserves that are in the neighborhood of about $220,000 right now. And what I pitched to Melinda is, and you know, we had had conversations about Brown Hill Mountain and other parks in the past, what I pitched to Melinda is, you know, we could work together on this and leverage our funding against potential grant funding and potential town funding. You'd be really taking advantage of us in a good way. I mean, we are insured under the same entity as the town where we're municipalities. So the ability to enter into memory and of agreement and those kinds of relationships is really easy for us. Okay. So that we would literally, you know, be interested in. But if we took this on, I think we would want to have some kind of MOA up front that's saying that the Park District shall do A, B and C. And one of those things I would propose, and I told my board about this, is that we would invest a specific amount of capital into into the parking and help help solve the problem for both parks, the shared parking area. Okay. Then the other thing I had a question about was, it's under bullet number three, develop a long range amendment plan for the park. Yep. My first thought is, I'm pretty sure we've, we've already done it. It doesn't mean it shouldn't be updated or something, but I have one for the country park. But there is not one for the conservation area. It's, yeah, Andy. Yeah, I've looked through this stuff pretty carefully. It's under LWCF. So it is, it does have some level of protection. But what we would do is a deeper dive in terms of doing a natural resource survey. And, you know, of the floor and fauna and how best to manage, you know, invasive management, do they need to be changes to the trails, so on and so forth. So we do a pretty deep dive. Yeah, okay. Management planning. And that would include things like maintenance of the boardwalks that are correct, or they are. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I guess, I mean, I think that's kind of it for questions. I, I think what I'd like to do is tell you sort of my sort of opinion or what this is maybe hinging on is what I, what I don't know yet is what is it that this agreement would, how would, how would Williston benefit from it versus what it is staff is already able to do, whether it be the conservation commission or the conservation commission with Melinda. If it starts to be, if it's, if it's where we get an enhanced management of the conservation area, and maybe even things like increased use of it for whatever conservation goals end up coming out of maybe that management plan now, which I hope includes folks understanding how a, I don't know if I remember correctly mud pond is a bog. It's an astonishing place actually. So that's a peat bog. Yeah. Thank you. Um, you know, sort of things long, then you start to peak my interest. If it's really replacing something the town is already doing, and it isn't really going to bring us that much benefit, then, you know, I'm really starting to lose interest, which I hope makes sense. So I don't know if that's at all something you can talk about tonight or something we more have to figure out. Well, I think I think you're heading right at the cusp of it, which is we already we have an existing relationship. You are a member in the district, which I feel you've not been able to take full advantage of by actually having our services within your town and more extensive level. Um, it's the business we're in. So it's what we do. We we build the main change rails, and we have a very bright line around that. So it's, you know, we're not holding easements and other properties. We're not managing playgrounds or ball fields. So and we get efficiencies through how we operate because we have all the member towns. We have a full time staff of three doing work that I frankly should be done by more people and we're able to use those things that those are our presence in our brand to attract a lot of volunteer labor to help us out to attract grant capital. And we're not a membership organization. So we don't compete with our partners, which include from on Audubon and Nature Conservancy and BLT and so forth. So you get if I'm looking at from your perspective, there's two ways you can look at it. You can say, Well, the park district is, you know, throwing a Hail Mary in it in a, you know, a little bit of a political situation here. That's one end. The way I look at it is it's more you guys telling us you should be taking more responsibility for doing what you do best. I don't think you lose any control because the combination of the reversionary clause and having a trustee in our board really gives you direct control over us and over the property. So if we fail to do what we're supposed to do, you can tell us to take a hike and take the property back. We can't, however, invest time and money into properties that we don't have site control over because in fairness to the whole system that makes that creates problems elsewhere. So I tried to walk a mile in your shoes in this situation. I thought, okay, well either this relationship is going to fall apart potentially or we can enhance it by us doing what we do best. And I would argue respectfully that Melinda could use a whole lot more resources to maintain our land and she told me straight out I'd love to have more help. I need people to help me maintain my trails, build new trails. You've got this spectacular, really unique, early adopted open space plane. You created this huge inventory of land so you're about to take on a new property and catamount potentially. And we are, you already have a relationship with us. You're already financially supporting us. It's what we do. I looked at that situation. I thought I should just go tell them, if you give us one of these parks, you can take it back if you don't like our work. We're going to do a great job maintaining it. You can talk to the other towns in our district and how we work. And it'll be the reason I chose Mud Pond is not because that's the only park that could work because that seemed to be the most ecologically sensitive. And the one that needed, that has parking issues so we can invest capital in. I just felt, you know, from your perspective that it might be an option that you should seriously look at. Okay. Talk a little bit. So, and I'm sorry, I might have missed this in your introduction here. So, the district would actually take over ownership of the land. Yes. The town owns it right now, but there's an easement on it. There's, it's, well, it's, I don't know how that works. It's Land and Water Conservation Fund. Is that a warranty deed? It's some kind of legal impression on the deed of the land that it has to stay in public outdoor recreation and perpetuity. Okay. Unless you transferred that value to a different property, which just about never happens. So, no agriculture, no ball fields, no housing, no town buildings. Unless it, unless it supports, you put a shed in that can support the trail system or something. Okay. It's very, it's a very common thing. You know, the next level would be a third party easement like a Vermont Land Trust or VHCB coming in and writing a specific conservation easement, which frankly, I would recommend for Mudd Fine at some point as being a good, you know, because that's really in perpetuity and it also gives, it positions you better to get grant monies. Okay. But, yeah, and what I would suggest, strongly suggest, is that there be language built into the transfer that, that has a reversionary clause. It's, you know, it's built in, we, we have some really unique ones like in Colchester Pond view sheds for property owners where if we don't keep the hedge down, the property owner is going to take the land back. Oh, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of, you know, unique things, but basically every piece of property we own has some kind of reversionary clause, and maybe the exception of Heineberg wetlands, which is inaccessible. Do you see any issues with the parking area, which would serve the conservation area, but is used primarily by folks accessing the country park? That's, you know, I, I think it's going to be, it'll be management, we'd have to figure out the management of it. You know, we're carry-in, carry-out organizations, so if there's going to be trash cans, that would be, that would be wanted to be cost associated with that. But we deal with that all the time, you know, we've, we're, a lot of our parks are located, you know, Salmon Hole and Riverwalk is right in an urban environment. We have a new park we're developing behind Baybury Commons, which is 24 acres, you're running the urban fringe. So we're quite used to managing parks that are directly adjacent to, to activity, and so having, you know, having a mountain biking park is, you know, wouldn't throw us much. Yeah. You know, and, and I don't think it's really being, there's not people using mud pie natural area now for mountain biking. We haven't seen any evidence of that. So it's not solving, it's not like coming in, like a lot of our parks where we had to take, you know, like, you know, Woodside, which was 68 acres, was a, you know, big black hole and, you know, that was a big management issue. But no, it's a long way of saying, no, we're, you know, we're comfortable with that and that would solve the issue for both parks. So that's, to me, that's a solution, that's a proactive way to deal with it and I think Melinda agrees with that. Good, thank you. The question tonight for us is, are we interested enough to pursue this and if we are, then should we send this to the conservation commission to take a look at and make a recommendation back to us? Well, I am meeting with them tomorrow morning to discuss this. So I know this may seem backwards, but I, I asked, you know, I figured if I had an opportunity to present this to this board, I really want to get it out there as a public discussion. What I'm just saying is if there's no interest on this board in pursuing it, then there's no sense of having the conversation conservation commission looking at it. I would like to see what the conservation commission has to say. And I would too. Me too, I don't know what to think. And I'd like them to tell me what to think. So we frankly, you know, we, I'm not asking you to, you know, it'd be nice if you did, but I would feel uncomfortable doing that without them. Well, remember the commission would like to speak to Judy. Okay, I didn't know he was coming here and I, I'm not speaking for the whole conservation board. I believe you spoke to them a couple of weeks ago. Yes. And I happen to be away, you might know, and I haven't, I don't know whether you've handed that out to them already or the reports that Jeff's referring to that you've got there, whether it was they've already gotten there, that's great. One of, one of the discussions that we had, I believe it was the week before we did come, we've had interns for the last couple of summers. And there's been some discussion about the value of having them basically just try to do all the trail work because there's so much work to keep them up. And I know when I first went on the conservation board, so that was like 14 years ago, I can't believe it. And we used to work with the public works department and kind of as a joint effort of people clearing making sure that the trails are kept wild and everything. But it's pretty tough, I think, for someone like in Melinda's position to really quickly train someone to take care of all of our trails because there's almost no time for them to do something else as well. So we're already talking about that and I got a sense that people felt that they had some real interest in the proposal that you're talking about or about helping out, especially with that particular property. Some of it has been really well done and some of it not at all. And so I know we also have complaints from somebody that lives on that dead end that's right near the, you know, the conservation park for parking. And there's talk about issues with parking with the mountain bikers as well. So I think that it could be helpful to have an extra party to that. Like I said, I'm just speaking for myself tomorrow. We'll talk with you about it. But I know that Nick has really tried very hard from the time that he came down to this position to really do some new things for the town because there were some real problems before he came. So I commend you for that and I'll look forward to seeing you have to say, tomorrow thank you for giving us. I can read you a set of signs anyway. I just have a question. This other piece of property that's listed on here, is this the one that's near Morgan Parkway? Yes. So that's okay. Because that's something brand new that we're talking about. I don't know if it'll end because talk with you. Yeah, actually they discussed with the meeting I went to. Okay. Yeah. Okay, so that's another exciting piece. I've always wondered why we don't actually have a park right on the river. It's almost our whole border and we don't really have any particular place itself. And from the descriptions of this piece of property it's high enough up that it wouldn't be in a flood plane, which can be a real problem. You don't have a park here. Anyway, so that's kind of exciting piece too, anyway. So that's my two big store of the night. And that's, yeah, our Park Superintendent actually does train interns. So we have a relationship with the intern. It's really great. I know we, you know, we have worked with the Lusky Valley Park District, so we're used to working with young people and they've done a spectacular job, as a matter of fact, with some of the boardwalk in the country part too. So that will be, you know, a natural thing. So I'll look forward to hearing what you have to say. Thank you very much, Rick. Nick, I'll let you, thank you for your thing with the Conservation Commission tomorrow. Appreciate it. Good, thank you. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thanks. Move on to the Jacob and Crane's property donation. And Rick, you have given us some information on that. Yes. So what you have before you is a purchase and sales agreement for the total value of one dollar. The, this is the next step in the process. The step after this, well, we've already started the environmental assessment process and we've hired a firm to do that. And the title search work will take some time. So we're probably looking at a closing, hopefully in early December, if all goes well. If assuming the board approves authorization for me to sign this tonight, I will be back again later asking for permission to accept the deed and close on the property. Okay. And, but that'll be after I have the results of the environmental assessment and title search. Thank you, Rick, on that, there's a motion proposed. I move to authorize the town manager to sign the proposed purchase and sale agreement with Peter Jacobs and Lloyd Crane's for the purchase of about 29 acres of land for the price of one dollar. Motion made and seconded. Is there a discussion on the motion? Hearing none, all those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No abstentions. We're on to the manager's report. So there's a couple items I want to touch on. The first, I really don't have much to say about it. We have our financial statements. We're 25% through the year and so far everything looks to be in order. We're continuing to run behind in certain line items, the one being the police department. We are currently down three officers now. We had one resign yesterday so and we had two openings before that. We have a fourth officer who was out of medical leave. Yeah, well, I won't go into what his problem is. We have a fifth one who may also have some medical issues. So in a department the size of ours, which is in a 16, 17 certified full-time officers when you lose four or five, you're hurting. And our new chief, that's going to be high in his priority to try to recruit new people and get those positions. So in the meantime, he's going to have a short term issue of just making sure we're covered. In addition to all that, of course, we're also short a dispatcher. We had a dispatcher resign a few weeks back and so we only have one we're 50% down on the dispatcher position. So the chief's got his hands full right now. And other than that, I really don't have any other comments on the finance report. It's kind of still early in the year. And as I said, there's nothing that really sticks out other than being under budget in the police department, which we have been in for the past several years. Any questions on the financial report? Quarterly report I distributed there are, I think, a few errors in some of the service indicator numbers Terry pointed out a couple. I'll have to review it. I had some technical issues that made it difficult for me to put all the report together and I got the technical issues resolved but it didn't give me a chance to check all the numbers. I can only do so much. And speaking of which, help is on the way, presumably. We are doing the final interviews for the assistance position tomorrow. So hopefully after tomorrow or perhaps later this week, one individual would be identified as the top candidate and the process will begin to negotiate a pay rate and then do a background check and check references and all that stuff. So we will be working on that. Next week I will be out of the state for the entire week. I will be part of that week. I will be at a conference, the International City County Management Association national conference, actually international conference is being held in San Antonio, Texas. I've been there before so I'm not that thrilled about the location but I'm going to take a few days vacation at the tail end of that and go up and visit Austin, Texas. I am looking forward to seeing Austin. I will provide a written report to the select board about the first part of that. I won't be necessarily providing a written report in the second part but if you want to know I can certainly fill you in on the details. Let's see. You are leaving us wondering here. I will of course be available by phone the whole time and be checking emails during the first part of the week but not the second part of the week. Oh, let's see. What else do I have? Oh, one final comment actually is on the financial report. We are, this is something we've actually been working on for several years and this year we're beginning to start to implement it but we're actually keeping track of the exact time that our public works crew is spending on doing stormwater stuff. We had the software for a year or so and it's complicated software and but the crew and Bruce are working on it and gradually expanding or it has tremendous capability so we were kind of gradually growing into it and this is one of the next step in the process. So instead of an estimate of some sort of percentage of the work crew eventually we'll have a hard number. I would say as we're preparing our budget for next year we still won't have firm numbers. Even if we have firm numbers it's still going to be an estimate but as time passes we'll get better and better information and it'll be based on prior experience rather than just a rough guess. That will cover the public work crew won't cover all of the work. In other words, my time, Jennifer's time, those are harder to apportion and I think we'll base it more on the total value of the budget which seems like a reasonable number rather than actual time spent on the the functions and the same would be at least on that part that same is true for the water fund and the sewer fund. And I think that's oh one other thing we just received notice on our health insurance for next year and we're looking at a huge increase potentially. Well I would say most definitely it's well it's more than 10 percent. I don't know the exact percentage. The the actual rate increases 10 percent but on top of that they've increased the deductible and we have we just got this information which is like at the 11th hour because the renewals are January 1st but between now and January 1st it really doesn't give us time because if any changes that affect employees we have to negotiate those and there's lots of things that have to happen so and then you have to have it ready and in place and we just don't have time to get all that done before January 1st so we're kind of stuck with trying to figure out how to make this plan work and obviously we're going to be looking at various options for next year because this is just not acceptable. But maybe that's the new norm I I don't know the health insurance in this country is suffering from lots of things. Would you like my story of what happened when there was a backer island? Non-deductible expenditure and the emergency room because that's so I appreciate your story and I'm saddened for you. It's awful. Well in health insurance the cost of health insurance has become an increasingly larger part of our budget so 10 percent increase is a lot of money. So we're working through that and anyway that's that's the extent of my report for this evening. Could you remind me who it is who we get our insurance from? Right now it's Blue Cross. Blue Cross okay. Any further questions Rick? If not then we have other business. We have two kid ring permits and a special event permit. Do the special event permit first. This is actually one of the series that have already been approved by the slack board involving gardener supply. This is an event scheduled for November 18th which is a Saturday and as I said it'll be held at gardener supply. It's a special event and the name of the licensee is Switchback Beer Works otherwise known as Switchback Brewing Company and staff has no objections. Well during the day you can I presume? Yes in the afternoon. Any questions for Rick on that? Need a motion perhaps? Second. Motion made and seconded to approve. Is there any discussion of the motion? Hearing none all those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Next one is a catering permit and this is for an event scheduled for Sunday October 28th and the location is the Masonic Hall which is on Merchant's Row I assume everyone knows what that is. The licensee the caterer is their name is 802 Cocktails and staff has no objections. During the day not the number. The day the scheduled event let's see where the hour is here it's in the also in the afternoon actually it's early evening 4 30 to 7. It'll be all indoors. Yes. Okay. Move we approve the permit? A second. Made and seconded. Is there any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? The last one well I since I'm not voting I guess I don't have a conflict of interest but involves a club I'm a member of. It's an event scheduled for Thursday October 26th and it'll be scheduled to be held at the Isham Farm on Oak Hill Road. The name of the caterer is Bevo LLC Bevo BEVO and the event is in the late afternoon early evening 4 to 8. There I happen since I remember the club I happen to know what it's about. It's actually multiple Rotary clubs are having a little gathering to encourage new members so if anyone's it's becoming a member this might be a good time but you only consider that after you vote it so you don't have a conflict of interest. Is there a motion? The staff has no objection. I second. Motion made and seconded. Any discussion on the motion? All those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? So any other business that you need to talk about? I do have one but I also want to ask Rick. Rick, what time is that event on the 26th please? I believe it starts at So I wanted to bring back up with everybody if they were willing to entertain a discussion about that not necessarily what was proposed I would put it 4th emotion to rescind our earlier position that we did and put 4th emotion to reconsider having that discussion. Did I articulate that well? So we can't reconsider a motion but we can consider every motion to rescind which would be to do a motion to reconsider after it's just a motion to rescind which opens up the discussion. That's correct. Then that's what I would like to do please as much to rescind what we had done before. So what we would be rescinding would be the motion to request staff to prepare a resolution for consideration concerning the regional governance of Burlington International Airport. So the motion has been made to rescind. Is there a second? I'll second. So discussion on the motion? No, I just would like to have this discussion again in more detail than what we did. I just feel like we had a cursory discussion and we were looking at what South Burlington was proposing which wasn't necessarily what I would have wanted to agree to. And I just I got the impression and I don't want to speak for any member but I got the impression from some that they would have entertained a broader discussion than what we had. And I'd like to see if that still actually holds true and if so I would be interested in pursuing further. So if we do rescind the action then we could bring back motion to propose a resolution. And if we choose not to rescind then we could go back and discuss other options other than a resolution. The idea was not to create more work on your plate. That was not it. It was just to open the discussion. After you decide I'm going to need some direction because I'm not sure whether you're deciding. Well the motion was interesting because it did talk about having staff the motion that got voted down. It did talk about having staff prepare a resolution. I forget what but and this the but is the important part. The but was is I think we were very focused on what we were being asked to do by South Burlington. And what I like about the rescind aspect here is let's just have a discussion about what makes sense for Williston. And we can kind of do that now without you know folks from other communities looking at us and just have that kind of discussion ourselves. And I mean I realize these are open meetings and people can attend blah blah blah and all that. But I very much support that idea. I still I'm probably not going to change my mind. No I did you have a discussion that's all I'm looking for. So we have a motion to rescind. It takes the majority vote to move that. If you're ready for the vote. All those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. If I get opposed. Motion fails. 5-0 or 2-2. That does not mean that we cannot revisit the question of airport governance. It's just that we would not at this point ask staff to prepare a resolution. How do I get that? Is that a question of asking Rick to put that back on as a agenda item? At some point in time? Yes it'll be we'll bring it back as an agenda item to discuss options. That would be fine. Is there any other business? If not then we are adjourned.