 Look, scientific studies on health and fitness are valuable, but here's the fact, they're not everything. They don't take into account experience. They don't take into account individual variance. They don't take into account how you feel about the things that you do. Those are all equally important. When you look at scientific studies on exercise or diet or supplements, put it in the right context. Is this something I would do where the test subjects like me, is this actually going to move the needle? You have to ask those questions, and oftentimes here's what you're going to find to waste the time. Science, scientific studies often are not things you need to pay attention to, so paint things in context, consider the whole thing. Yeah, these science people in the fitness space annoy me with this kind of stuff. They debate and argue. It's like listening to Captain Obvious tell you how to do things. Yeah, they argue over the smallest things, or they'll say something like, oh, this study shows that muscles loaded under stretch build the most, produce the most hypertrophy. And then they'll take that and basically means this is how you should train all the time. Nothing else has value. Or they'll say something like, this form of cardio improved fat oxidation by 8%. And then the average person goes, but I hate that form of cardio, but it's more effective. When 8% really is splitting hairs and also you don't like it, so it's a waste of your time. And it doesn't take into account the wide variety of experience that you get, like let's say as a trainer, when you work with lots of different people. A lot of people don't know this, but most studies are done on college-aged males. They're not done on pregnant women. They're not done on people who are middle-aged. They're not done on people who have maybe dieted tons of times before, who are over-trained, over-stressed. They're not done on lots of everyday average people. So you got to kind of take those studies and take them with a grain of salt. There's some value in them, but they're not all the value. This isn't actually an interesting topic. I was thinking about this the other day. I've heard strength coaches on other podcasts and a lot like a Mike Boyle, for instance, was talking about this in terms of like ice and what came out with like ice studies and athletes and all this kind of stuff. And it's like, you know, through decades of experience has done it a certain way and like would ice them in a certain way. And it's like, you know, if one study kind of undermines what he's been doing the whole time, but he's seen success and has the best track record ever in terms of like keeping athletes healthy and, you know, without injury for entire seasons, like, you know, like what, what are you really getting out of like a lot of these studies? And like, I think studies are valid in terms of like being able to see like certain instances of where it applies. Like, OK, there's this group of people and we tested for this very specific thing. And this was the outcome. That's something to consider, you know, in terms of data points. But in terms of like that versus experience, I find that to be like far less value. Well, all the all the popular studies that are touted in the fitness space completely ignore the behavioral psychology side, which when you've trained people like a Mike Boyle for decades and thousands of people of, you know, that you've worked with, you start to realize quickly that the behavioral psychology side of fitness is far more important. And so the idea that you're focusing on all these nuanced things around nutrition and program design and undulating this and like, it's like, OK, like that stuff, it's good to know that, right? So I think there's value for coaches and trainers to understand that information and be well versed in it. Like, I think that's important. But most of your time and energy should be focused on understanding behavioral psychology and then learning how to take all your studies and knowledge that you have to get the best behaviors out of your people. And just nobody talks about that. Yeah, it's just never talked to me. Now, and, you know, to touch on what you said about ice, I know exactly what you're talking about. So for years, coaches used ice for injuries or strains on athletes. Then studies come out showing, oh, ice reduces inflammation. That's true. But it also reduces the signaling that inflammation brings, which would tell the body to either build muscle or to heal in a particular way and that kind of stuff. And so then people are like, oh, ice is worthless. Yes, let's take it completely out. Here, one of the number one things. And this is what coaches and trainers who are experienced understand. One of the number one, if not number one thing that you're juggling with a high level athlete is over training and overuse. You're constantly playing the game of, can I keep this athlete from tipping over into a space where their body can't overcome the stress and damage. And what ice does, yes, it does reduce the muscle building signal, but it also reduces inflammation, allows the athlete to train more. And so this is how coaches have always used it. Hey, you want to be able to continue training? Let's put some ice on that so you can move. Now they get to practice the skill. They get to practice the plays. They get to go out and practice and experience what they're supposed to experience to continue to improve their skills versus, no, no, no, ice is bad. Just sit there, let it swell up. I read a study that said, you know, that it's going to help with the healing process and the muscle building process. It's like, no, no, no, in, in, in application, there are other ones, static stretching, static stretching. We used to always static stretch before this is how we warmed up. Then there were studies that showed that static stretching actually weakens the muscle and could therefore increase the risk of injury. This is all true. So they threw it out the window. Right. Does this mean that static stretching doesn't have value? Or I'll get even more specific. Does static stretching have no value before you exert yourself? Uh, there is some value. Let's say you have somebody with a muscle that is overpowering. That is so tight that it causes restricting movement or yes, poor recruitment patterns. I want to weaken that muscle temporarily to allow for better movement patterns. I used to static stretch clients all the time, but it was specific, right? It was targeted before certain exercise. Give me like a simple example corrective intervention. Totally. So a simple example would be, uh, someone's trying to squat. It's hard for them to get positioned with their hands. Everything feels tight. So I static stretch their chest. Let's get that thing to weaken up a little bit and to just chill so we can grab the bar better and get you to pull your shoulder blades back more right in that case, static stretching is extremely valuable. Well, the case where you eliminated that, and I remember seeing this, you still see this today in the gym is the, you know, the bro that throws three plates on the, the bench press and, you know, between sets, he's using the side of the thing to do a static stretch on his chest. Stretching the target. Oh yeah. Mainly so all the chicks can see how much weight he's about to make. Press, you know what I'm saying? Get a good, good long stretch in between sets, you know, and recover. But I mean, you're, you are relaxing the muscle that you are about to call upon to explode and lift, you know, 315 pounds. Not a good strategy. You want it at the helm and ready. But that's, that's how new wants it. There's an, you just gave a perfect example of where static stretching for the chest is very applicable. Yes. And then I just gave you an example of where you absolutely did want to do. So it's not like this static stretching is bad. It's like, well, no, based off the studies, there's applicants, but all that stuff, man is so, so moot for the average client who needs to get in shape and help. And even the point you brought up with the athlete, you, about the ice, what you did was you, you brought up the behavioral stuff because like, okay, yeah, the ice is not going to help him potentially build muscle. Because it's going to dampen or shut down the muscle building signal by bringing down inflammation. But who gives a shit because the behaviors now that that, that, that athlete can do is he now can go practice again because the inflammation is down. Highest priority is like repeating the skill. Yes. And that takes precedence over him building more muscle. And so. Oh, listen, it would, what would yield a better athletic performance on the field or the court or whatever? To improve an athlete's overall strength by one percent more or improve their skill by one percent. Any good coach will tell you the skill and the technique is going to yield better results, same percentage increase. Okay. But it's actually more than that. We would lower the muscle building signal by a percent or two, which is what the data shows, which is again, a splitting hair is not a big deal, but we would improve their skill acquisition or application by more than two percent. You take an athlete who misses a week of practice. And let's say theoretically, miraculously, we're able to maintain their fitness. Okay. Cause everybody's like, well, he can't play. So therefore, or he can't practice. Therefore they're going to get out of shape. No, let's say we figured out a way to keep them in shape, but, but he still couldn't practice the skills and the techniques and plays with his team. Huge loss, huge loss. One week of that, you, you're not moving as instinctively. You're not able to produce the same results on the field. So the coach's goal is how can I get this athlete to continue to practice and train, not, uh, let's maximize every little signal of building and healing, um, that we can maximize. Like if you miss one practice, you know, that's Justin, you coached high school students. They miss a week of practice. It's a big deal. Oh yeah. That's a big deal. And it's so, so if you can get them to continue behind that point. That's right. So I'm glad you brought up the, the ice team because I was actually thinking about this the other day about, you know, right now there's a bunch of, uh, debating back and forth in the fitness base of like the cold plunge, right? Same thing for the same, for the same reasons of what we're talking about right now. And so based off of what the research says, like, if you were somebody who is, let's say a pure bodybuilder, all I care about is building muscle. I'm not cared, I'm not cared about, you know, in the field or anything like that or an athlete, and I'm not going to do a second practice. All I care about is building the most muscle that, and, and I used to do these cold plunges after my workout because I felt amazing or whatever from doing them. But now I hear this research that says like, that's going to dampen my muscle building. So then I throw that out. But what, what about, and all of us have experiences, you ever trained your legs real hard and the rest of the day or definitely the next day, you were like, you barely want to move. So you say, you plop down on the couch, you stay there, you long really versus when you feel like you did like a mobility session or say. And you feel looser and you're less stiff and you're less likely to just sit and do nothing. Like that's the behavioral part that like, that doesn't, that doesn't take that in equation. So I would, I would prompt this question to somebody who is a bodybuilder who was using the cold plunge and they loved it and now taking it out because they go, oh, well, that's going to dampen my muscle building signal. Yeah. But what about all your behaviors for the next 48 hours, how they've changed? And would you agree or disagree that if you're a person, after you get really sore on legs and you don't do anything about it, no mobility, no cold plunge, no nothing, and you just, you just bear the soreness, how sedentary are you compared to had you done like a cold plunge and what is that effect? Yeah. My, my question, so you got to ask that. My, yeah, my questions would be this. Um, did the cold plunge allow you to work out harder? Did it allow you to work out? That's it. More frequently. When you used it, did you feel better afterwards? Why are you asking that? Well, because if you feel worse, it's harder to stick to your diet. You're not going to feel as good. You're not going to stretch as much. You're not going to move as much. Um, and again, maybe you'll have more cravings. This is what tends to happen. So it's not as simple as muscle protein synthesis signal here versus here. This is 4% less. Therefore, it's not good. We're missing context. We're missing a lot of context. It's no different than what I always say as an example, when someone would come to me and say, what's the best form of cardio? I would always ask them, what's the one you like, because that's what matters the most. What matters the most is you do it, not whether or not running burns, 15% more calories and cycling or swimming is a little whatever. That doesn't matter because if you don't do it, it means nothing. It's zero. And this is where people miss with the studies. And this is where the, you know, that side of the fitness space gets really annoying because they either argue with each other over these small little details like somebody's like, well, no, no, you know, creatine, you got to take a post workout increases absorption by 2%. But the lady just said, look, I forget to take it all the time. Can I just take it first thing in the morning? You know, the answer should be yes. Yeah, take it first thing in the morning. Totally fine. Rather than some door getting on there. No, it's you're losing your 3% absorption or whatever. It's like you're missing the whole thing. And so studies can be and they can also, by the way, studies can also be super misleading. And you also have to look at, and I know we're going to get into this, into the weeds a little bit with this, but studies often support or point into the direction of what's considered the establishment. So what do I mean by that? Well, we're going to have a lot of studies that support the use of, let's say, enziolytic drugs or antidepressant drugs. We have some studies that show very clearly that exercise is superior. But when you get somebody who's like super study focused and on that side, someone says they're depressed where they tend to go. Well, here, here's a study that shows that this antidepressant helps, you know, 15% of the people. Well, that's the tough part of the reality is what's the motivation behind even conducting the study, because for the most part it's, I mean, pharmaceutical companies would have the most interest in that to spend that kind of money because it's going to hopefully teeter in the direction that they can highlight certain drugs or things to solve problems, you know, versus like any of the like regular studies that we have have just like seen if what you naturally can accomplish will produce this type of result, there's not a lot of motivation to spend money in that. Listen, this is, this is a fact. The, the theory and hypothesis, I should say hypothesis that fat intake was the reason why people in Western societies were suffering from higher and higher rates of heart disease and heart attack. Okay. It was supported or driven by a study known as the seven country study. Dr. Ansel Key's got a grant from the government. Isn't this the one where he took out the ones that he took out the country that didn't fit the narrative? Yeah. Yeah. Then he brought the study forward. Was the blue zone one? No, no, no, he showed that fat intake in particular saturated fat take, but fat intake in general was connected to heart disease, but he took out the countries that were, did not fit this whatsoever. They had low heart rates, but consumed a lot of fat. He brought this forward. He took those out, brought to the government, government's like, oh, this is it. And then they funded it and this became this totally flawed hypothesis that drove public policy probably made, definitely made people a lot more unhealthy and sicker. So you think how's this possible? Well, okay, science is objective, but scientists are not. So there's a lot of scientists out there, and maybe they're not money motivated, although a lot of them are, maybe they're just fame or honor or prestige motivated law scientists are prestige motivated. How do I get this public, this paper published? How do I get the, you know, the, I don't always get my, my peers to view me as this amazing researcher and scientist. So oftentimes this is what happens with studies. And by the way, studies that show no result, never get talked about. Yeah, it's the ones that always show crazy stuff. And by the way, the people over the last three years that were questioning all the stuff coming out around COVID are the people that understand this, that understand that. I mean, I saw a stat the other day that for the 500 days or whatever during lockdown, we made a, we made a billionaire every day. Every day, every day, and over $2 trillion of wealth was transferred from the poor and middle class to the Uber rich. And so it, it, it bears you to ask the question, like, okay, how are they twisting these studies to line somebody else's pockets? And what are they leaving out that, and I mean, you just brought some up the other day, Justin, I heard you say you were reading the stat on what they are seeing as far as how many deaths were actually linked to just COVID. I mean, it's like 1% of what's currently with the numbers trending right now. Less than that. Yeah, it's, it's, and then all the stuff that came out later on from the CDC after the fact after the billions of dollars and trillions of dollars of, of having to sift through all that in terms of like comorbidities and just all those factors of like the treatment that they're actually receiving in hospitals, you know, if you want to like really peer into all that, there's a whole lot that you have to sift through to even see, you know, where that failure occurred to where a death happened. And the point of me bringing this up, okay, not to bring up some stuff that I know Doug is not going to enjoy, right? So, but it's, it's, it you, if you're going to, you know, stake your claim on a study, you best do all of your homework and understand who's funding it, who's benefiting from it. Like, you just apply to me. Yeah, yeah, what are the potential other effects that nobody's looking at? For example, okay, locking everybody down may reduce according to, you know, when they do their, their projections. Okay, by the way, this didn't work out, but let's just say that they did work out. It's projected to reduce infections by 5%. That's not the full story. What are the potential side effects of lockdowns? Are more people going to die from suicide, obesity, not getting cancer treated because they can't go to the doctor because everybody's locked down, depression, anxiety, what about loss of productivity, loss of innovation? We have to look at the big picture to figure this out. Look, I took, if I took a hundred people with cancer, and then I killed them all, I could put in my study zero people died of cancer because I killed them, right? That's what the study would say. According to this new treatment I did, where I actually murdered people, zero died from cancer. I could literally say that at the title of the study. So obviously that's silly and ridiculous and extreme, but that's the point that I'm trying to make when it comes to health and fitness. It's no different. It's no different. Here's another one. I'll give you a great one. Red meat tied to all these different terrible things. You know what they don't do in studies when it comes to meat? They don't take out processed meat. It's all meat. Salami, bologna, hot dogs, all the weird, crappy, where does that come from meat gets thrown into? And by the way, when you eat a hot dog, you're also probably eating the bun chips. You're also probably eating chips, sodas, and the rest of your diet probably looks similar to what you're eating. So people eat hot dogs every day, probably eat a lot of other stuff every day, but they don't necessarily, they don't parse that out. They don't tease that at all. They don't tease that out. They just say red meat. Well, thankfully, we have other studies that do control for this kind of stuff. In fact, the World Health Organization, not necessarily the organization I was trust, which is surprising they came out with the study said that red meat, if we cut out red meat, lots of people in lots of countries would suffer from terrible nutrient deficiencies. And I'll make this argument right now. If we continue to demonize, and I'm going to stay on the subject because this leads to another topic I want to bring up, if we continue to demonize red meat, we are going to have worse health. Fact. Fact. Everybody, slow down with the demonizing of red meat. It's one of the few whole natural foods that people still sometimes consume, and it's also super nutrient dense. If you want to see people get sicker, what you do is you demonize a food where they get a lot of their nutrients and where they're not eating something that's processed. Because here's what the average person will do. Oh my god, red meat is bad. What do they replace it with? Oh, so much worse. Everything else is so much worse. So let's stop doing this and let's be smart about this. Today's program giveaway is MAPS Anabolic. Here's how you can win it. Leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it. Subscribe to this channel and turn on your notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comments section. We're also running a sale this month. MAPS Symmetry. Very popular program. Half off. And then the RGB bundle, the most popular bundle that we offer is also half off. If you're interested in either one or both, just click on the link at the top of the description below. All right. Here comes the show. This is one of my favorite attributes about the Nutritional Coaching Institute, NCI, that we work with is that they do such a good job of parsing out all the studies and then teaching coaches and trainers how to apply the science to your to your clients based off of behavioral stuff. You know, the information that's relevant, like, let's use that. Speaking of that, you know that they have another summit coming up. We have an is it October? Doug, when is it? Yeah, October 17th through the 21st. Oh, cool. You know, did we have we committed to going to that yet? Do you know? Does anyone know? I don't know if we're going or not. We've gone to the last few. Yeah, I imagine one of us will be there. Where's it located at? Good question. Last time it was in Phoenix, right? Yeah, they're usually in Arizona. So let's find out. But these are great, man. I mean, it's all coaches, great speakers. Then they have where you there's, you know, side events where you can learn more stuff. And what's cool is because I've gone to last is it three or four? That I run three. At least three. I saw coaches at the first one that were all brand new. Yeah. And then I saw them on the third one and they're all like super successful. Like there's this one guy that I met at the first one who he had some huge life changes, sold his car so that he could remember so that he could get coaching from NCI to build his business, which is scary. That was the first time I made a commitment. That was the first time I met him. So I'm like, oh, crap. Like I hope it works out for you. Anyway, by the third, by two years later, very successful, built his business that totally, totally worked out. So it's great to see that. I love stories like that, dude. Yeah. I mean, no choice but to succeed in a situation. Isn't that great? Yeah, no, that's awesome. Speaking back, going back to RedMe, I do want to mention one of our sponsors, ButcherBox. There is a very big difference between processed meat and whole meat. Huge difference. And then when you go whole meat, if you want to take it a step further, GrassFed does provide some better nutrient profiles. This is more valuable the more meat that you eat. If you're like me, I eat probably a pound a day of red meat. This is why I choose GrassFed because I eat so much, it makes a difference to make sure that it has the best nutrient profile. Well, they've also helped a lot with that sort of thought that it's too expensive to get high quality meats. And that was always like an objection I would get, you know, as a trainer for things. And because there's a lot of like specialty meat places now that like get like imported meats and all these kinds of things that are GrassFed. But, you know, now this is like so easy and accessible and delivers right to you. It's like it's nice that, you know, that's their entire business model. It's like, you know, here, we're going to get the highest quality and we're going to ship it right to your door. You know what I still haven't had that I ordered and I have them in my freezer. I just keep forgetting that I've got them is the egg bites. Have you tried the egg bites yet? Oh, you have tried them. Yeah, because I used to order those a lot when I get my nitro and go to Starbucks. Yeah. And it's like this is yeah, and they're very similar. But I feel like it's better quality, you know, because it's like it's not for sure. Who knows, you know, wow, Starbucks wise. Like, yeah. Did you know that they have to they're bigger, I knew that, but the quality they're bigger and they got like more bacon kind of chunks in it. It's it's good, dude. Wow. Yeah. Dude, I got to tell you guys something hilarious that happened yesterday. Let me before you do that. Oh, yeah, just that events in Orlando. Oh, wow. Yeah, just so people know. I thought I asked that. Oh, that's further than in Phoenix. Yeah, yeah. Orlando. Oh, that's interesting. Did you go to the landing page on it? Does it say like does he already have who the speakers are? Yeah. The last couple of times, man, he's his I mean, his roster's got Lane Norton. I think yeah, Lane this time. The people he has speaking. I mean, I don't know what the total ticket price is on it. I don't know if it's up there or not, Doug. But I know like one of those speakers is like ten to twenty five thousand dollars just to have them. And he has like a whole roster of people like that that are incredible. Yeah. General mission is two hundred ninety seven dollars. Plus, I believe there's a discount. Let me double check on that. Yeah. You get 20 percent off when you use our code. Oh, well, there you go. Excellent. All right. I got to tell you guys what happened yesterday. It was hilarious. So my two and a half year old is in the other in the playroom, which is kind of next to the kitchen. And we're doing stuff in the kitchen and Jessica starts to walk over there. And then we hear what we think is Aralea saying fucking like he was doing something. I think he's already figured this out. He says truck. That fire truck. You know, wasn't that the wasn't it? I was hoping no, no, no. We hear he's doing something and he's struggling with something. And he goes fucking. And so Jessica goes, what did you say? And he's like nothing. She's like, what did you say? What did you say? And he says, fucking. And so we're both trying not to like act shocked or whatever because obviously if a kid knows he gets a reaction, he's gonna say it all the time. Yeah. So then she follows it up and she's like, where did you hear that word from? Who said that? And I already knew the answer, but I'm like, go ahead and let him say it. Mama. Oh, he sold her out. He sold her out. She talks like a sailor. Yes. So and I've always I told her I'm like, they're going to start copying it. Well, now it's happening. Well, anyway, anytime he's struggling, that's what he says. He must have said it 10 times yesterday. He should get stuck trying to take it off, fucking trying to open the door, fucking. And each time we're trying not to laugh or react, but I think he knows now. So now we're screwed. So we just went. This is funny. You're bringing this up to see a two and a half year old say the F word though. Yeah, it's hilarious. We just we're going to it. We're going through this right now too. So funny you brought this up. But here's what happened with us, which is I think how it all unfolded is really hilarious. He's he's saying stupid and Katrina and I are like, we don't want him to say that, right? I don't want him to say stupid, especially if the context and other kids like so her and I are like, hey, where where did you learn that? Where did you and so both her and I and my poor best friend's kid is a little bit older, like a year older. And they were playing video games one time and I heard him say it in there. And I'm like, God, pick that up from Hunter. You know, I'm saying like all irritated that he picked that up from his. And so. But then after he had said it, then and we had corrected him and said, no, we don't say that. We don't say that. Katrina and I literally like the next 48 hours got caught saying it and him correcting us. Oh, and then her. I mean, yeah, her and I have both realized like, oh, shit, I guess we say that. I guess I don't like all that's stupid. Like I do little things. I don't even it didn't register with me. It's not really like a swear word, but I don't want my son saying that. And now he's saying it. And he's yet he's saying it when he's playing video games haven't come hang out with the really. So teach me. Oh, stupid. Let me show you. But it's wild. How much your parents were. I didn't I, you know, I definitely don't think we say it a lot. It does not take a lot. It's like it's almost like when it's novel and they it registers like it's like they're like, well, so what is that? That's new. Yeah. Or they'll just say it in that no until they see the reaction and then it becomes it. So then so then yesterday, because we heard it a bunch of times and we're like, oh my God, we're laughing also because it's also funny, but also like crap, what are we going to do? And then Jessica said something else and she goes what the f what the f? I'm like, honey, that's almost as bad. You want to hear two and a half year old walk around saying what the f we can't do that. That's that's one of it. That's the one thing that she does that that I'm like, everything else is great. But that's the one I thought we were I thought we were really good. But it's because we don't swear in front of them. But this the stupid thing I didn't realize that Katrina and I like we're trying to correct that right now. I'm like, oh damn, I didn't realize I oh man. Call things stupid all the time. I know. I remember when I was little, when we were young, we were probably like nine and maybe ten, nine, ten. I don't know where my cousin were the same age. I don't know where he heard the word dildo. He heard it somewhere. And I remember we were at his house and we were hanging out and he was just saying the word dildo and singing and his parents are like, what are you saying? And they're like, where'd you hear that from? And he's like, uh, school, I think. But then after that, it was like, what is nine? So I was third grade. And usually it's like third, fourth when shit starts to get real. Yeah, third grade. I got in school suspension for this. So we were, it was before school started. My mom used to drop me off like a half hour hour before school started. And I was, we were playing a waffle ball in the courtyard. And where we are playing was right by the principal's office and the principal had their window open. And I was at that age where I had just learned like all the cuss words. And you didn't even use them right. You're like, oh, fuck, shit, damn, fuck, you know, just over nothing. Right. Missed the ball. And then we I would say like seven different cuss words. And the the vice principal comes out and she comes storming over me, grabs me by my elbow and pulls me into the into the office. I have like no idea what's going on and sits me down. And then like literally like, you stay here, call my mom. My mom came down on the off in the big old deal. And they were asking me the principal vice principal, me and my mom. And you know, and then my mom, my mom, yeah, there was like saying he was saying this and he was saying that and going off of that. My mom's like just sitting there and then she looks over. She's like, where did you learn all that? You, mom? There's just like the most awkward moment for her. You know, that moment is something I remember as a kid and haven't thought about it very much until now being a doll. Like, oh, my God, that happened to me. I'd be so embarrassed because it's like you can't get mad at that point. And their kids are mirrors, dude. Yeah, they're total. I mean, cussing to me personally, it's not that big of a deal. It's really how other people it's really. Yeah, it's feeling. React about it. And it's like their teachers or the old lady or whoever or the round of the kids. Other kids you don't influence. Yeah. Yeah. I remember for me, it was like I got in big trouble because I was out on the lake with my grandpa and like I learned all the bad words from my grandpa. And so he was like he caught a catfish. He hated catfish because they're like bottom feeders or whatever. And he he just had this thing. I don't know if it's because he grew up in Louisiana or whatever, but there was this whole like hatred of catfish. So he caught one and he he's like, oh, that's god damn catfish. And he just hit it against the boat, killed it through it back in. Well, you know, yeah, he was he was aggressive. And so we got back to the campsite and I'm like riding bikes with my brother and everything. And then my bikes handles got all loose and wiggling. And we're like out there in front of like my whole family. And I'm just like, oh, these god damn handles. And like it's just started yelling out and then, you know, and then like, oh, where did you hear this? And my mom like went and took my toothbrush and got soap and like, like started like washing my mouth out with soap. And oh, dude, it was the methods were so bro. It was so old school. You guys have no idea. Like I had to eat like a bar of soap, like because I would like. What was that movie? I said that's the fucked up. That's the Christmas story. Christmas story. Yeah, yeah, that's where he's like, his mom's making me soap. I'm assuming that's where like everybody got it. Well, no, no. Clean your mouth out. It's an old and soap tastes terrible and it's an old. Did you guys have to do that? I literally had to do that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He ate it. Yeah. And then even like the liquid kind of I think my parents put on my toothbrush. They didn't even give me the bar. Yeah. I think my parents used his Vasco sauce one time to us. I think we got that. I think I got for swearing to Vasco sauce. Oh, really? Wow, through some pain in there with it. Wow, that's alert. No, I mean, the methods are crazy because what you don't want to do is show how much power it has. That's my opinion. Like how much power this word has. Totally. Because here's what happened to you as a kid. You never said it in front of your parents, but you said it way more when they went around. Yeah, I think that's the move is to address it but not make it like that's how we did the thing. Well, we don't say that. It's not a nice. We told them it was in a nice. And so now. I saw hypocrisy in it immediately. Oh, right. You know, it's like people that like like screen how they talk to you and then you see them outside of that. I'm like, this is such bullshit. 1873 school mistress in Mahaska, Iowa was noted to have punished a boy in her class for indulging in chewing tobacco by washing his mouth out with soap. Boy, kids were tough back then. Little kid chewing. He's got a jaw. I'd be impressed with a third grader. Oh, your Barbie. Yeah, I was in high school the first time I tried to and I threw up every time. Yeah, you know what I've done 15 times and threw up every time. Every time. So this is how I tried it. I had just turned 18. And when you're 18, there's a few things you could do that are different. You went and bought a playboy, grabbed some tobacco. That's it. That's it, right? So I went and I went to the gas station and I'm like, oh, I'm going to try much. I'm going to try, you know, chewing tobacco. And I put I put it in my lip because that's what, you know, I saw people do. And I was just driving my car and I'm just sitting there chewing on it. And I'm supposed to spit it out. So I spit in the cup and all of a sudden I'm like, oh, yeah. Not to swallow it. Oh, bro. It was the most disgusting. It prevented me from ever wanting to try it again until much, much later. I literally had to pull over and barf out the window. Like I turned like white as a ghost, even more so. So if your kid is trying chewing tobacco, let him. You'll figure it out. Yeah, they'll figure it out real quick. I'm surprised you guys didn't make fun of me earlier. I had that earpiece in the whole time. And then I was like, oh, no, like I didn't even notice. Like I was getting, you know, I could have been getting weird, weird, weird. Like back like, like Mitch McConnell or something, you know, like someone's telling me what to say. I froze Justin. That's great feet. That's great info. Oh, he froze again. Yeah, he froze again. I believe that. What? I mean, poor guy. What's happening with it? You know, it sucks. It's a stroke, right? Isn't that what happened? I don't know. Maybe we can find out, but he did again. Well, he originally had a stroke. And is that what they said? Yeah, I think so. I don't know. Maybe you know what sucks, dude, is literally this is how shitty the internet is. Old guy, right? He's standing up there talking. He freezes, which is scary to see if it's somebody care about it or whatever. But obviously nobody cares about him except for whoever. The next day, so many memes, so many memes were coming out. Like when my wife asks me, you know, what's on the grocery list and it's a picture of him or whatever, like means that are making fun of him freezing. Yeah. Terrible, terrible. Yeah, I should find out what happened to him. Dude, like how old are these people? Everybody that's running our country is like 90 years old. It's like, man, lizards don't die. What? Seriously. That's the first. We're at a time, you know, this is the first time in history where the life expectancy has gone down. Our whole entire evolution of being around, we have continually increased that, increased that. This is the first time that we're ever on the opposite direction. Did you know that? What was that again? Opposite. That our average life expectancy. Oh, so we're leaving longer. It's always gone. No, we're not living longer. But we're the first time ever. We're starting to go back. Oh, I see. First, yeah, forever, it's always been on a slow line. So here's what happened. Here's what happened with life expectancy in the 20th century and then now 21st century. At first, nutrient deficiencies were a big problem. So lots of people died because of malnutrition. But then we saw that and we saw not just life expectancy explode, but we saw height explode. The average person became so much taller because nutrient deficiencies were filled. Then life-saving medical procedures got created and that extended life. Extended life, yeah. But then what happened was the Western medicine really just figured out how to keep people alive longer but not necessarily alive better. So it's not that our health got better, it's that we figured out ways to patch the holes in the ship and now that time has come. We can't keep doing that anymore. Now we have to actually become healthier, not just, oh, this stroke happened, we'll save your life. Oh, you've got some heart issues, we'll save that. Now it's like, so it's funny you bring that up. I just read a study. You know, the side effects of the interventions are a lot of times a lot worse. Look at the study that I just found that I read which is just so telling, okay? So this was a study on people who are hospitalized with bipolar depression. So consider the state someone has to be in to be hospitalized with depression. It's really bad, like you're dark, not good. Put in an institution or hospital. People who are, they did this with the study. They took some of these people who are hospitalized with bipolar depression and all they did was put them next to a window that was facing east. In other words, the sun rises, they get some sunlight. Okay, that's all, it's the only difference they had. They stayed in the hospital four days less on average. Over half a week less in the hospital only because they got to see some sunlight when the sun rose. Just from that simple intervention. Imagine if it was a drug. Imagine if a drug showed that we could keep people out of hospital for four days less who are so depressed in a hospital. Imagine the publicity that would get. You know what's interesting about that too, yeah. Courtney always used to tell me about that, like how like much more effective it was when she was allowed to take her patients out into this outside area and get sun and get fresh air versus the kids that weren't allowed to ever go outside the room. Like how much quicker they would heal. It was substantial. You know what touches on all this right now? Did you guys see the new series on Netflix that just dropped for the Blue Zones? Oh, no I didn't. No, it's really good. I've only watched the first episode and a half I think is what we got to last night. It's literally the stuff that we've been talking about on the show forever and they do a really good job and I'm only on the second Blue Zone that you want to, but he's basically, you went to all these Blue Zones, travel all these Blue Zones and he's putting together all the things and it's done well because we are aware of what we thought they all were before and what he's attributing it to is a lot of the things that we're talking about right now is just like relationships with people, the sun, getting outdoor and community. Like it's just crazy. And none of it's like, oh, training hard or it's like, well, dude, think about how, how expensive would it be? Not at all, right? How expensive would it be to take people who are hospitalized for depression, put them and make sure that they're facing, that they get some sunlight when the sun comes up, right? Costs nothing. But again, pharma doesn't make any money. Hospitals lose money. Hospitals lose money because they get out earlier. So all of the incentives are to, for this simple intervention. It's the structure of it. It's so crazy. Because they're private businesses, you know, at the end of the day. Here's another one. That's the heart part. Here's another one that I was reading and it really dawned on me how crazy this is. You know, antidepressants are strongly correlated with weight gain. Everybody knows this. Like, you know, one of the side effects of an antidepressant is you can gain a lot of weight, can affect your appetite, make you eat a lot more. And people know this. This is one of the things that they'll tell you if they put you on an antidepressant. Do you know what's strongly correlated with depression? Weight gain. So you go in, you go on an antidepressant, you gain weight, weight gain itself. The behaviors that cause weight gain and even the weight itself cause depression. This kind of seems like, when you talk about this a little bit more. Isn't it crazy? It's like, here's the thing that can help you, but it causes something that actually makes how you feel worse. But let's not discuss this. Let's just keep moving forward. Maybe add something else to the mix. Another pill or whatever. This was kind of a funny thought, I guess. I don't know if I should share. Well, I'll share. So we were talking about like Jolene Brighton and we were talking about the whole like getting off the pill thing. Courtney's been on the pill for a long time, years. And it's like, hasn't had, you know, natural period and all this. And like, so the highs and the lows are very like kind of, you know, neutral in terms of like feeling. And I was thinking, I'm like, like literally it's like an antidepressant for a vagina. What? Right? That's a totally different way to look at it. What? If you think about it. My vagina. Yeah. Yeah, it just keeps kind of like, you know, I'm like, yeah. Cause anyway, we're trying to think of like ways of getting off of it and like going through that process. I just thought it was a funny thought. How long have you been on? Oh my God. Like I want to say probably at least 15 years or so. Yeah, so it's. You know, we're using right now until I go get a vasectomy, which I'm still dragging my heels with it. Yeah. Let me know. Cause I need to sign up. Well, we're using, we're doing, we're contacting Father Steve and I said, Hey, what are the non medical? What are the best like birth controls that you guys advocate for? I'm like, abstinence. Huh? He's like abstinence. No, that's obvious. That's, that's obvious. That is what a priest is. I mean, you call a priest about like, Hey, try not to get a woman pregnant. What should I do? Not have sex? Have you heard of hand jobs? Yeah. No, that's not what happened. He's joined the monk life. No, no, no, you, you, you, you test ovulation for ovulation. Yeah. Just like you would, if you're trying to get pregnant, I mean, there's that. The peon ovulation thing, it tells you if you're ovulating and if you are, then you don't, you don't have intercourse that way. And that's that. Yeah. And it's very, it's actually very effective. It's no long as you do it. You know? Yeah, I think that's a good, I mean, coming from- The only thing that sucks is when a woman's ovulating, that's what she wants to have sex the most. It's like, damn it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. What are we gonna do? This opportunity. Do you guys, you guys undo that, do you? No. No, we're, I mean, we're still could get pregnant. Oh yeah. That's the camp we're in right now. I was like, I mean, at one point, right? Katrina's gonna get to, and she's, she's getting closer to that age where she's like, okay, I don't want to have another kid this late. I'm, I've, I used to be more staunch about it because I wanted, I didn't want the age gap to be so big with Max. I'm at a place now where I love him so much that I would love to have a second kid. So I don't, I care less now. Yeah. The things that I cared about before, I was like, oh, I want one or two. And if I have two, I want to be like this. Now, like the experience of having Max now was, was so incredible that I just want to, I would, I would, I'll take it a second time to know and I'll figure out those challenges that I thought I would have. So we're, we're trying, but not trying or not. You're not, not trying. Yeah. Like we're not checking ovulation and we're not trying to time stuff or anything like that. But then we're just like, if it happens, it happens. Yeah. And then at one point, I'm sure she's gonna say to me like, Hey, I definitely don't want to risk getting pregnant. Well, the, the last one gave us, it made me gun shy because up until then, my, you know, pullout method was like 100%. Like never like was a hundred percent. You're too braggadocious about it. This last one was, you know, wonderful surprise. Obviously I love my little baby, but now that makes us like timid. Yeah. You know, don't get near me. Maybe this isn't as effective as I thought. Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe I didn't realize that I didn't, of course I should have assumed that Courtney was, I didn't even know that, that she's been on for that long. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a long time. It's really tough for someone who's been on for that long. I mean, it changes your hormone profile, right? So that's a massive. Did you guys meet? Was she on it when you met? No. Bro. You know what might happen? She might like you more. Way more. I was like, yeah. No, I'm serious. I'm like, yeah. It's not like I'm like a, a femi dude or something. That's what I'm saying. I'm worried about it. No, no, no. That's not what I mean. When a woman goes on birth control, she tends to be more attracted to men who have less obvious displays or signs of testosterone. When they're off birth control, and especially when they're ovulating, they tend to be more attracted to guys like you. Wow. Who is just oozing. Just a, just a, just a big ooze. He's just so much manliness coming over there. This is true, by the way. Oh dude. I always change subject here. You're welcome, Doug. Well, let's drink it in. I was actually thinking about, and you know, and maybe this is a deeper topic we get into at another time, but I just, it was, it's an interesting thought that I had about nutrition and changing diet. And you know, what prompted it was, I was, you know, this has happened a couple weeks ago, like pay attention, and I know I tease you about how much you eat right now, but I also know what it's like to be there. Where your like metabolism is roaring so much. You have so much lean mass, you're training so hard. And so consistently that you, you're probably eating 4,000 to 5,000 calories a day and not gaining any body fat. And obviously I am not training that way. And I have, I have probably 30 pounds less muscle than I had during my peak competing time or whatever. And what I didn't realize till after the fact, and it's kind of like a duh, but it's still hard to, to pay attention to or really change because it's subconscious is your eating behaviors and patterns that you built around having that physique. So there's a way you eat right now that supports and is ideal for the physique that you've built. But if your life changes and you decide, you know what, like I'm going to be less of this buff dude. I'm going to be more mobile. I'm going to train less and whatever or something were to happen. You know, not only- You don't need to follow. Yeah. And it's tough because you have made these associations with, you know, certain places that you eat at or certain meals that you have of portion sizes. And it's like, you know, I catch myself doing things a lot where it's like, Hey, that was the portion size that I ate when I was 230, 6% body fat and jacked and training seven days a week. You remember how hard it was training ex athletes. Yeah. Ex athletes, like college athletes and all of us. And they're like, I remember I had one, she was a rower. The calorie amounts and the same. And rowers train a lot, a lot, a lot at high level in college. And I remember her, I'm like, what do you have for lunch? Like, well, I have some chicken and I have some rice. And I'm like, well, that's, you know, okay. That's pretty good. And I'd say, can you show me? And she was eating like 10 ounce chicken or 12 ounce. And I'm like, oh my God, that's the whole rotisserie. I'm like, that's a lot. And she's like, it is. And I'm like, how did you eat? She's like, well, I kind of like this, I guess when I was training. I'm like, yeah, this is a lot. I said, your portions have to change. But what happens is you're so, you get, you developed it. This is where the whole set point, people are like, oh, you have a weight set point. No, you have a behavior set point that you develop. You have to change your behaviors to match your lifestyle. I know exactly. And you justify it because it's healthy. Yeah. Oh, I'm eating my veal and, you know, gluten-free pasta or I'm having my rice and bison. I always double up on protein. Yeah. You know, it's like just something you do. And so it's hard to kick that habit. Oh, you know what triggered this was, you know, when we were getting those meals from what you're gonna call it. And I was like, look at the portions. I'm like, that's small. Yeah. I'm like, God, this is a tiny ass. I eat like three, four of these normally. I'm like, boy, I'm eating a lot more than what I thought I was eating. When you start to have somebody else control it for you and it's tracked and you're going like, oh, wow. You know, and it's like, and of course all that stuff is like, of course I should know that, you know. But it's so ingrained on some of these behaviors that you forget like, oh, wow. Like I really have to modify and adjust all those things because my life is changing. I'm at a different season in my life. And if I don't do that, I mean, I actually attribute this to why I think 90% of all athletes that I've ever trained that are, you know, older, 40, 50, are all really overweight. All of them. Yeah. Because of this, because they still eat the way they ate. Or even like, if it's not exactly the same, it's still so much higher than what they should be at. And all they're really looking at is their lack of activity as like the biggest factor. And so they're always trying to like, because that was the method. You know, and I got caught into this whole thing was like, I could just eat whatever. I didn't really have to pay attention because I was moving so much, so intensely. You had to eat that much. Yeah, it was just, it was fueling me. That's the thing is like, you learn, here's what happens to a lot of athletes is you learn to eat more, which is actually hard at first. When you train a young athlete. Oh yeah, that's true. One of the things you have to convince a young athlete to do is just like stuff themselves. Then they get into this habit of doing it. And they do it for years. This is how they eat now. And then all of a sudden, they stop that activity. Oh, I got to relearn. You know what's going on? That's the part why I think I was so challenged was because it was such a challenge to get there. It was such a challenge. It took me a long time to actually be consistent with eating like that. And it's like, so there's another layer there of, yeah, I know I'm supposed to eat less, but then I'm like, I don't want to go. I don't want to eat so much less than what if I wanted to build a bunch more muscle again and be that big guy for a while? Like maybe I changed my mind. I'll go the other way. Am I going to go through that whole process again of like struggling to eat that much? It's a weird, it's a really weird predicament to be in and to be aware of and to pay attention to. And I just think that that happens to so many people where they have career changes or just goal changes or life stress hormone. Yeah, I know it's a, and this is crazy. Cause then you have people who say you can't really speed up or slow down your metabolism that much. Okay, buddy. All right. All right. Yeah, I've seen crazy changes in people's metabolism. Mine is radically different. And I still weight train. I'm still considered an athletic or fit type of person. You still have a fast metabolism compared to somebody your height and weight. But that's just, that's how crazy it can be. I mean, it can be that different. I'm talking about thousands of calories difference of what I can consume today compared to what I can consume then. And it's insane. Yeah, very, very crazy. All right. So I wanted to talk to you guys and we're going to make sure we get them on the phone. But I wanted to talk to you, you know, the audience about, so they don't know, some people know that we have an arm of our company that invests in companies, right? We invest as like angel investors in essence in certain companies. And my cousin, Alex, he very successful here in Silicon Valley. He helped start a very successful company. Then went off and started his own company. And when he talked to me about this or he talked to me and my other cousins about this, it, I didn't really understand it at first. But then I asked him to explain it and it's so crazy and disruptive that, I mean, I'm confident, I've already told everybody in the family, like Alex is going to build, this is a billion dollar company for sure. So essentially what it is, and we'll talk to him on the phone, but he was able to figure out a way to let people create a trust online for free, for free. Which right now, if you want to do that, you either go to a lawyer and spend thousands of dollars or at the cheapest you get the paperwork online, which costs you hundreds of dollars, but then you still need a lawyer to kind of implement it, whatever. This is all on an app, allows you to put your assets under the whole deal and to set it up is totally free and it's pretty remarkable. And so... I'm super excited to talk to him. Yeah, yeah. I have questions for him, so I'm excited to talk to him. Yeah, so for people who don't understand, like just real quick, because I know we'll get in the weeds when we talk to him, because this is his space and we're all very interested. If you have any assets at all, anything at all, a car, shoes, a house, whatever, and a family, and you die, that goes to probate, which is the state. The state then has to hear everybody's claims to your stuff or whatever and on average it takes 18 months. In other words, your stuff doesn't go off to your kids and other people for like a year and a half unless you have a specific trust. But again, that's like thousands of dollars. That's also assuming it goes well and there's not infighting or issues either. Cause then it can get really bad. Yeah, so if you're a new parent, you should do a trust, ASAP, and do it as soon as possible because then it's easier to add assets to the trust than it is to go backwards to the whole thing. But again, it used to be this really expensive, stupid process, take time out of it. Now you go, you literally have this company, it's going now, we invested in it because we saw what they could do. Free, you go there for free, set up a trust, boom, cost you nothing. The company's called Get Dynasty. So it's Get, excuse me, the company's named Dynasty. The website is getdynasty.com but let's get them on the phone and talk to them. Cool. Alessandra, where are you dude? Looks like you're in a bathroom or something. What's going on? I'm in a, we work phone booth. They have these phone booths. We, you know, we're an early stage company. We don't spend a lot of money on offices. So we get the shared workspace and then we work and then we go into the phone booths when we need to take meetings. So Alex, you started this company and I want to get to it, but before I do, one of the main things you guys do and we'll get to why we invested because it's actually, it's pretty crazy what you guys are doing over there. But let's talk about one of the main things you guys do which is you create trust or you help people create trust. So first, why is a trust important? Why do you need one? And then what does the process normally look like to create a trust? What a trust actually does is it protects you. And so it's a personal entity that you create and just like a corporation or LLC, you put everything that you own personally into the trust. So instead of owning your house and your cars and your bank accounts and your stock brokerage accounts, everything goes into trust, trust owns them and you control the trust. The reason why people create trust, there's many reasons. There's different types of trust and the overall reason to create a trust is for protection. So a trust can protect you from pro-bank work. A trust can protect you from lawsuits. A trust can protect you from creditors or bankruptcy. If you go bankruptcy and you have your assets in a protection trust, those assets are separate from you. It's like you may lose everything that's under your name personally but like the trust protects the assets that are in the trust. Now for the average person who doesn't have tons of property, huge brokerage accounts, one of the main values, and I'd love your, either correct me if I'm wrong or let me know if I'm right, one of the main values of a trust is if you die, a lot of people don't know this, your stuff goes to probate court and before your kids can get some of your money or the house or whatever you left to them or whatever, it has to go to probate court and that could take like six months before it gets released. Is that accurate? Yeah, so probate court is a public process where if anything happens to you and you don't have a trust, and there's thresholds, there's probate thresholds for every single state. They're very low. Some states are like $30,000, some states are $50,000. Some states are $100,000. No more than, I think California is the most, it's like $100,000 or $40,000 or something like that. And so if you exceed in that, you have property, you have some cash in the bank. If you exceed the probate threshold and you die or you become incapacitated or you become mentally unstable, your assets are going to be processed through the probate court system. The probate court system takes on average 18 months and usually the individuals that are fighting for the assets, your family members, usually if there's a lot of family members especially, if there's people that are fighting for them, they're going to get legal representation, they're going to get lawyers and a judge in the end of the day is going to decide what happens to your state. Probate court is a massive tax on the poor base, not just the poor and the average American. So like everybody that doesn't have a trust like has to deal with probate court and probate court ends up absorbing hundreds of billions of dollars every single year. And again, it's not coming from the rich, they already have trust and trust completely circumvent probate court. Everybody else, like if you just have a simple will, that will has to be processed through probate court. And so it's a lot of time and it's a lot of money and it's a lot of family drama. Because again, it's a public process. Anybody can turn up like the homeless guy down the street can literally turn up and make a claim for my assets because he can say that I promised him something and whatever and they have to deal with that in the court, in the public court process. Okay, now here's the other thing that now this is where I understand all this and now this is where things get really wild and disruptive and what I mean by that is you you've actually created a company and I've told these guys off air, I believe the potential for this company is to be a billion dollar company. It's so disruptive to the space because the regulations and laws around creating trusts are so archaic and so solidified that in order to create a trust it costs like thousands of dollars. So the average person is like, okay, I want to go create a trust. You go to go get a lawyer, it's going to cost you thousands of dollars and they got to manage it and there's really no other way to do it until your company came out, Dynasty and you figured out a way to legally do it for what? So normally what does it normally cost and how does it work through Dynasty? Yeah, so today, before Dynasty, there's two ways to create trust. You go see a lawyer, you can pay anywhere for $1,000, $25,000 just to create the trust. And again, it depends on the complexity of the trust. The other way you can create trust is you can go to what we call online stationary stores and those are like LegalZoom, there's a few other companies that are similar to Rocket Lovers, a few other companies that are similar to these companies. They charge you a few hundred bucks, anywhere from like 300 bucks, like 600 bucks to create a trust, but literally they're selling you a stack of paper and they're not helping you actually move assets into the trust, they're not helping you administer the trust, they're literally just helping you with the creation process. At least if you go to a lawyer, you pay a little bit more, but they're full service, they're gonna help you with every single part of trust creation, trust administration, trust funding, any questions you have to get a little bit more on the lawyer side. These online stationary stores, we looked at them and so in the very beginning, the reason why we came up with this idea is we all were, me and my two co-founders, we were the first employees at a very successful tech company called Carta. I was a first sales rep, my co-founder was the first employee, he's an engineer, my other co-founder was first product manager, and so like as Carta became more successful, our stocks started becoming worth more money, so we got access to the best financial advisors and lawyers that exist, and so we started looking into the process to create a trust, and you know, Sal one of our cousins, he's a trust attorney, so I reached out to him right away, I said, hey, I wanna create a trust, how do I do it? And he sent me a fill-in-the-blank form, like literally it's like a template, like he has a standard template, you fill in the blank and boom, it's 1500 bucks. And so the second we saw that we're like, no, this shouldn't cost anything, like we can automate this template, this fill-in-the-blank template, like 100% was software and it cost us nothing to deliver, and so that's why we, you know, our simple trust product that helps protect you from probate, it's better than it will, is 100% free. So how is it different than legal zoom then? I mean, you gave the example of it's like a stack of paper, but how is a template that someone just pays for, how is that different? Like what are you getting more by going through dynasty versus just going through legal zoom? Yeah, so I would say the biggest difference overall, number one is we are the only three living trust software product that exists. Oh, three. So three, first of all, we'll focus in on three. Nobody else, like everybody else, they're all on the online stationary standpoint, they're all doing, you know, just a simple trust, the probate protection trust, and they're charging hundreds of dollars for one time trust creation versus us, it's 100% free. And then in addition to that, we have this entire platform that lets you go in, anytime you need to make a change, you literally do it from your cell phone. We've plugged in, it's not included in the free option, but we've plugged in remote notary because usually you wanna get your trust notarized depending on what state you're in and it makes it more defensible if it's notarized. So because laws change during the COVID pandemic that allow you to go online and do a remote notary session, that's what helps make this possible also. And so these other services, they don't offer remote notary, right? They charge you hundreds of dollars for trust creation. We make trust creation free, and then we charge you for, if you wanna do remote notary, if you want any advanced distribution options, if you wanna actually get the assets out of your name and do more like asset protection stuff like we talked about. Those are the advanced services that we offer, that's how we make our money. So it's just, the biggest difference is how we make our money. What they're doing, we give away for free and then we're making money with all the additional services. So it's really like for the average person who's just like, hey, I got a family, starting my family, I just need to trust, go there and do it for free. Nobody else can offer that. Nobody does that. And then is your, so all the other, let's say bolt-ons that you do after that, like moving assets and the other, the ways that you guys make money, are you competitive with the lawyer or competitive? Cheaper. You're cheaper. Way less. Wow. Just like every other venture backed Silicon Valley, technology company, like we're gonna be the most aggressive, we're using the most software, which allows us to drain costs down for everybody. So give me an example of, because obviously I forget what the number is, that the average American that lives paycheck to paycheck, they don't, maybe they have a house, maybe they have a car, maybe they have a watch passed down from their grandfather. Like at what point do you say like, you have enough assets to, this makes sense to do this? Like is it literally just as soon as you have a single asset that is worth more than 20 or 30 grand, you may as well do this? Or it's like, well, until you get to about a quarter million or more dollars worth of assets, then so what would you say is like, what's the bare minimum you should have of assets to do this? Well, the reason we built this company, so you can, anybody can set up a free trust in less than five minutes from your mobile phone. We literally have people that we, cause they do selfie checks at the end that literally set this up, they shouldn't do it, but they set it up while they're driving their cars. One guy set it up while he was underneath this car, like doing some mechanics work and like literally said, look like he's in a mechanics garage. And so like we built this product for everyone. And so you asked me that question, when's the best time to do it? The second you open your first bank account. Because that should immediately go, it doesn't matter if you only have 100 bucks. Like eventually you save money, you have more money. But like now it's already in your trust. The problem with waiting is like, you're like, well, I don't have enough money. Like why would I do that? And so you open your first bank account and then you buy some stock, then you get a car. Pretty soon you have all these things that aren't in the trust. So then you create a trust and now you have to go back and you have to retitle all these assets. And there's nothing more of a pain in the ass than having to retitle assets, especially real estate, you have to deal with the county. You want trust when you buy the real estate. Cause they asked me, how do you want to title? I want to title it my trust. But it's done. Okay, well that's a huge selling point to me. So in other words, I also save money by getting it before I think I even need it because going forward, as I start to acquire these assets, I buy that $50,000 classic car, I buy that new house. Now I don't have to go pay a lawyer later on after I've already got a trust. So it's like when I buy it, I put it in that name. So I probably saved money that way too, right? Money and lots of time, lots of time. That's right. The best time to do it is as early as possible in your adult life. You want to change the behavior. Like the second you turn 18 and you open your first bank account, you should have your trust. And everything that you buy should go in that trust. Oh wow. Yeah, what's interesting to me about this whole process and as Alex was explaining to me a while ago is just how many old archaic laws and regulations that exist literally, it would seem to protect and service the wealthy and make these protections unattainable for anybody else. Like the average person to spend $3,000 to create a trust, they're not gonna do that. But a wealthy person is no big deal. They'll spend $100,000 organizing all this stuff. It's the same thing with tax law. It's the same thing with all these other things. It's like there are things out there that you can do to protect yourself and to build wealth and all that stuff. But a lot of it's unattainable or inaccessible to the average person. And so something like this, I mean, free. Is there an ever a case where I'd wanna reverse my trust? Or would you ever wanna do that? Does it ever make sense or to change, like I guess the trustee? Like what? Change. Changes make sense. Like reversing it, there's no downside. It doesn't change the way you do your taxes, especially a simple trust. Like the more complex trust, like the assets are no longer taxed under your name. It's like having a separate entity. But for the simple and revocable, the ones we do for free, like there's no downside at all. You may wanna change it because you may get married, you may get divorced, you may, every child you have, you wanna change it. Every time you move from one state to the next day, you need to change, you need to update it. Every time you acquire a new property or a new asset, you wanna go put that in the trust. There's reason why, that's why it should be software. That's our big vision is like, the fact that all these other companies are just a stack of paper. Like how do you, now you have to like go back to a lawyer to modify that. Like every time you need to make change, you need to go back to the lawyer. Like with us, you just log in from your phone and modify that. Time is another big important factor here. Some, a lot of people have money as well to go pay a lawyer, but they don't wanna do it because of the time that it takes. They don't wanna like go through the friction of setting up the time and thinking about it. And so like being able to do it in less than five minutes, that's a huge selling point for a software. Yeah, this is massively disruptive because not only are you going to save up front by it being free for anybody just to do it, but then as you get wealthier and as you acquire more and more assets, you're just, it's getting cheaper and cheaper for you every time and you either person would have to go get a lawyer to move and set all that stuff up. Wow, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it's amazing. So yeah, Alex Alessandro, thanks for coming on here. We'll talk more because when I first heard this, I was like, and I told you and I told everybody in the family, I'm like, this is a billion dollar idea. It's really insane. And once I exposed the fellas to it, we all decided to invest. So we're now investors in the company. Gotta protect those NFTs. Yeah, I know whenever we have conversations like this, which is rare, but we do every now and then. The next question, I know everyone's going to ask us, are you guys taking on any more money or no? We have existing investors that are prompting right now, like trying to give us more money to go fat, to invest two more fuel into the fire. And I don't know. It's not a good time to take money right now because of market conditions. But you don't take money when money is expensive. But we're day to day determining whether or not we're going to take money. They don't need the money. Yeah. We don't need it, we don't need it. They don't need the money out, so. Anyway, if anybody's interested, check this company out. It's getdynasty.com and again, it's great. We invested ourselves, it's a mine pump, so we believe in it. Alex, great talking to you, man. And you got everybody, this is exciting. So he's a father, great father, by the way, he's a good man. He's got another baby on the way. When's the due date? October 3rd. Oh gosh, around the corner, bro. Perfect time, perfect time to start a company and do all this at the same time. You're on a roll, man. Hey, a year and a half ago, he had no gray beard hair. Look at him now. Yeah, it happens. All right, Alex, I'll talk to you. Taking after you, I'm taking after you. Hey, listen, I'm way ahead, bro. I got four of them, so. All right, man. All right, brother. We'll talk to you later, bro. Take care. Thanks. Thanks for having me on. You got it. All right, anyway, what'd you guys think of it? So Mike, you can see the, oh, massively. So disruptive. I know, right? Yeah, I know. I can't wait to see how this all unfolds. He's great to you. The guy is such a good guy. He's such a hard worker. I love that they made it free, man. That's huge for people to just protect their stuff. All right, so what's our shout-out? Shout-out, the documentary that I was referring to. So it's on Netflix. It's called Live to 100. And like I said, I'm only an episode and a half, but really good. I can just tell by the way it's shaping up. They're communicating the things about the blue zones that we've tried to talk about to our audience for a very long time on this show. And so I think you'll appreciate it. So go watch that. It's on Netflix. Joy Mode is a company that makes supplements to enhance libido and sexual performance. All the components in their products are tested and shown to be efficacious in studies. The stuff is legit. Go check them out. Go to usejoymode.com forward slash mine pump. Use the code MINEPUPPETCHECKOUT for 20% off your first order. All right, back to the show. First question is from Manda10. How do you find and maintain a neutral spine while doing conventional deadlifts? When, if ever, is it normal to see some lower or upper back rounding? All right, let's start with the first part. So one way I used to get my clients to figure out kind of neutral spine was I would have them go to the extremes and then that would give them a point of reference and then they'd go in the middle. So in other words, I'd tell my client to strongly arch their lower back and then strongly put their back in what's called posterior position. So it's like strongly arch it and then tuck it and then go in the middle. There's neutral right there. So that's an easy way to kind of find where it's at. Now the second part of the question is normal. Cat cow or do you do it like standing up? I'll have them do it standing because then they get into the deadlift position. Although cat cows are a great way to do it if they have trouble, you know, getting high. I think the PVC pipe is the best trick in the book. Right. That's a good trainer one. Man, that was like halfway through. I mean, you could do it by yourself too though. You can do that by yourself. You buy grabbing the stick. That, I remember the first time I saw that it was like at least eight, nine years into my career. And I was like, why has no one shown me this before? Now what are you looking for with that? Cause someone listening to that. The three contact points, right? And we have a video. And by the way, I think you should put that in the subscription, Justin. I think that's a great like teaching tool for coaches and trainers. But you know, you can use any, you can use a broomstick. You don't need a PVC pipe. And you want one back of the head. Yeah. Back of the head and it goes down the shoulder blades and then your, and then your hips. So it'll be, you want all three of those points of contact to sync on it. And we have a video. Do we have one on a Mind Pump TV? Is it Mind Pump TV or is it on the Instagram? I know we have a video of me teaching this or Justin teaching this. Yeah. So we have a video for this and we'll have the guy's link for us. So you coach you through it, but it's really simple to teach and show. And it's, you, you, you can feel those points of contact. So you know the minute you come out of that position. The only bad side about it, and this is why I said it's a trainer tool is cause I've seen people maintain contact and overarch their back because they can do this and still have their head and everything touching. No, no, you cannot, you cannot. If you, you'll, one of the three points will come off. You cannot excessively arch in the neck or they hit the head though, kind of. That's why there's three points. If you keep the three points of contact, you can. I just, okay. So I don't disagree with you. I think it's good. The one I communicated is like you could do right now listening to the podcast. You could do test it yourself. The only challenge with it, and this is where I see the PVC pipe being even more valuable. The challenge is some people don't even have a connection to be able to go anterior pelvic tilt, posterior pelvic tilt. Like they don't even know how to get their pelvis to do this movement because they're so stuck in a particular position. That's why I love, okay. So I used to do the exact way you said. I would, I would stand next to him. I would show them excessive arch. Then I would tuck it all the way in. And I say, then I find, and I have my hands on the hips and I'd be telling them to do the same thing as it. And then find neutral. There's neutral. But some people don't even know how to. They can't articulate. Yeah, they can't articulate their hips like that. And so this is where tools for a, for feedback is, is so valuable because it's, you can put that stick there. You can get, you can literally physically move their head, their hips, they're everywhere. And they're like, okay, feel those three points of contact. Now bend over and pick that bar up. Cannot lose that. And they literally have to go so slow at first to just, to figure out, to figure out how to articulate that. Another way you can do this without a stick would be to lay on the floor with your knees bent and then try to flatten your lower back on the floor and then try to arch it. And then there's your extremes and they go somewhere in the middle. But the second part of the question, I think is important to address because the spine flexing or extending or whatever, there's nothing inherently wrong with it. When there becomes an issue is when the spine is flexing or moving in a position and it goes towards its end range of motion. And then what supports the weight is the spine itself. In other words, if the spine can move this much and this much, if it moves a little bit, it's okay because it's still muscle supporting it. It's when it gets to the end that it becomes a problem. Like my elbow, if I support a weight but I'm holding my elbow fully extended and then I try to lift the weight, now I run the risk of my elbow joint supporting the weight versus if I curl my arm a little bit and I still have room, then it's no longer the joint, it's the muscle. That being said with the deadlift, you want the lower back to stay as stable as possible. The upper back rounding is not an issue for most people. In fact, you'll see many top lifters have some kind of upper back. You did lift that way. I think if you watch the way, I'm very strict. And then you have this kind of natural curvature in your upper back. Real world situations are going to be a lot more rounded back situations than you are like perfect graphics. Yeah, and so it's unrealistic to not account for that. What I think is why we pull as trainers, we try to pull clients in that direction is to find neutral spine, to really work just on the bracing mechanism there, to be able to stabilize and keep it supported. And so to be able to figure that out, a lot of times it's easier once you figure out where that neutral spine is to be able to feel that core connection. And then you're going to work off of that and make sure you can still maintain control. If you don't have control in the bracing mechanism in place in a rounded position, that's a problem. Yeah. This, like I can't stress the PVC pipe tool as it goes. I mean, I think that I made trainers buy it after that or we always had it in the gym going forward because if I was teaching deadlift or squats to a client after that point of learning that, that was with me always. The only way it's not with me is I got an advanced client who I've already taught all those mechanics, but if I'm teaching a hinge movement, I'm using that stick as a feedback. It's such a great, great tool for them to feel that as they move through the range. Use that, use the wall, use the floor. You know, like those contact points do really emphasize to the client. They can like feel that point of contact. So it's helpful in that regard. What tripped me out, I remember early on as a trainer was how few people could bend over without completely flexing the spine. Like so few people can actually bend forward at the hips and it's always coming from the lumbar spine. And so I would get people to bend over and they were automatically in this really rounded low back position and getting them to bend over without doing that was like a new skill that their brain didn't compute. And I remember being shocked like, no, no, just do it this way. No, no, no, just do it this way. And they couldn't because there was no connection there. If you don't have that connection, you probably shouldn't deadlift yet. But when you can get the neck connection, then you go and you deadlift very lightly until you can strengthen that better position. Then over time you can add weight to the bar. And then in that case, deadlifts are very safe. You know how hard it is too if somebody knew to teach them hip hinging versus squatting. Yes, just that in general is gonna take you a while to establish so. Next question is from Bev Giberson. My right arm is weaker than my left and it affects my barbell curls in that my left doesn't feel fatigued at eight reps while my right is struggling for form. Should I stay at a lower weight until my right arm catches up or switch to dumbbells? This is actually an easy fix. And I'll tell you why, I'll tell you how to do it but then I'll tell you where people mess up. Definitely go to dumbbells, definitely trained one arm at a time and let the weaker arm dictate the reps and the weight. That's where everybody screws up. So most people logically can say to themselves like, okay, there's an imbalance between my right and left. By the way, if you're feeling the imbalance on a barbell that much, there's a big imbalance. Usually people don't even notice how much of an imbalance they have until you kind of show them. But if you're already feeling it on a barbell, then this is a pretty big imbalance but you'll fix it pretty quickly if you do what I'm saying. But where people mess up is they do the one arm at a time training and they tend to let the strong arm dictate the weight and the reps. So what they do is they do good form for 10 reps with the right and then they go to the left that's weaker and they cheat or do shitty form to match the strong arm. Wrong. Use the weak side as the gauge. That's the gauge. How many reps can I do and what does my form look like? And then it's gonna feel easy on the stronger side. That's okay. Your whole goal is to catch up. Your goal is not to build strength equally in both sides and have them maintain this disparity. So literally your stronger side's gonna get an easy workout while the weaker side is gonna get the workout. And if you do that, you catch up pretty quickly. Within a few months, you'll see yourself balancing out because your body actually wants to be balanced. If you give it that stimulus, it'll balance itself out. It'll catch up. The one thing I would add to that because the other mistake that I see is people take that advice and so let's say it's my right arm that's really weak and so I'm gonna do the curls with my right arm first. And they hear you do as many as you can with that one and then mirror the other one. And as many as you can turns into two shitty reps at the end, right? Because they're so far behind. You gotta have perfect form. Yeah, what you do when the weaker arm is dictating how many you're gonna do on the strong arm, it's where form even slightly starts to go. So you stop before that. Like you do not want to get like five perfect reps and then you're like, I can get six, but six is rolling the shoulder and rocking the elbow to get the six rep in. And then you go do six on the weaker, on the stronger arm that you could easily do six. And like you don't wanna do that cause even if your bicep starts to catch up then you've created really bad patterns and habits on the right side where you'll have this kind of shoulder roll and rock every time you curl on the weaker side. Like stay strict form all the time. We need to stop thinking of muscles and isolation. What you work is what you strengthen. So if your technique is off and you're working that off technique, that's how you get stronger. You get stronger with bad technique. Cause muscles- You're gonna hard wire bad technique. That's right. And then trying to reverse out of it can become very challenging. By the way, I remember one of the most insane things we ever saw on the podcast is when we released Map Symmetry. So Map Symmetry is a program that's specifically designed to balance out right and left. And if you've been working out for a long time and you've never done an entire two or three month period of unilateral training, you probably have some imbalances, okay? So most people, but there was that one girl who was very highly trained, very fit. She did one of those scans where it could literally show how many pounds of lean body mass was in the right arm versus the left arm, the right leg versus the left leg. And there was a small difference which most people will have. She followed Map Symmetry and they came out perfectly balanced. So she built muscle on the weaker side and it caught up to the stronger side. It was a dexa scan or something. I think it was a dexa scan. And it came back totally balanced which is really cool because if you're advanced, super valid, you may think to yourself how hard it is to build muscle an easy hack to build muscle when you're advanced is to find these weaknesses. Cause she gained, I don't remember what it was like a quarter pound or half a pound of lean body mass on her right leg versus left leg or whatever. She built muscle and it went exactly where it ended. And balanced her out. So had she not done that, had she not done that would have never happened. Next question is from Travis Goddard to 82. Should you not increase the weight when performing a barbell back squat until you can go below 90 degrees? You know, in a perfect world, I would try to work on mobility and form and depth before adding weight because adding range of motion is also adding, is also progressively overloading. So people don't realize this, but if you go 90 degrees with a hundred pounds and then through mobility and technique, you're able to go below 90 degrees. You've increased the, you've progressively overloaded yourself. It's like adding weight to the bar because you've lengthened the range of motion. So this, and the reason why I'm saying that is cause people often think they'd rather add weight than add range of motion. But when it comes to building muscle and you know, functional, whatever it's, they both build muscle. One is actually more functional. The other, which is increasing range of motion. So in a perfect world, I'm gonna see if I can get the person to go deeper than 90 degrees. Now, when that doesn't play out is when I get those occasional and I'd say probably 10, 15% of my clients, it wasn't worth trying to get them to go up below 90 degrees because it was just so much and so many things we had to work on. And it's just, at that point it was like, let's just get you stronger and this is working. And we'll try some other exercises on top of it. Yeah, or you're, yeah, you're already getting stronger. I mean, there's, it really depends on your goal in terms of like an overall health desire. Or if it's like, I want to get strong at this lift and I want to, you know, if I'm, I have desires to like ego specific kind of desires. I want to get to a certain amount of weight on my back for my squat. And I want to put up this much weight for bench. And, you know, if they're somewhat competitive with themselves, like 90 degrees is pretty, that's a pretty reasonable squat for you to achieve and get like, and load up substantially. So the only time I kind of steer in that direction is too, if there's issues with like, my glutes aren't really firing. I'm not feeling a connection there. I'm very quad dominant, whatever. Like, you know, I might want to address that and be like, well, depth is going to play a factor into that. But your glutes always fire, so. But yeah, so that's a huge problem for me. You hit it on the head. 100% has to do with your goals. And I like this question because it just, it highlights the nuances of training somebody is, had I been sitting down with Travis and asking him questions on his personal goals, my answer could be like three different answers on like how I'm going to coach him on this. An example of that is myself. When I was competing to be a bodybuilder, I was very aware of my lack of range of motion in my squat. I could only get down to about 90 degrees, but I had a very specific goal to build as much muscle on my legs and present. Yeah, you're trying to pack it on. Yeah, present the best. At an extreme level. Yeah, and I could care less that I wasn't getting three or six inches deeper. As soon as I was done competing, and that was no longer the main focus for me. And I'm thinking now I'm going to be a father in the future. I'm getting older. I want, I care more about health and joint health and mobility and flexibility. Like that, then that became the pursuit. Then I sacrificed adding weight to the bar to continue to increase range of motion. So it really depends on the person's goal. And what they are stressing to me is the most important thing at that point in their life, how I'm going to coach them. I'm going to educate them no matter what and say like, okay, we can build the most massive quads and just be focused on that and not really worry about you and sacrifice some mobility right now. Know that if this was the long play, I'd want to do that first and do that. But at the end of the day, you hire me, you tell me what we're going to do. This is what we're going to do right now. But again, generally speaking, I would, it would probably be ideal to try and go a little below 90 degrees. Overall, you'll feel better. You'll probably build muscle overall, just with all things being considered. For most people, I would say that would be where I would focus for sure. Next question is from CMOS23. If all of you had to do a different podcast, but it couldn't be fitness related, what would you talk about? Politics, movies, and... Oh, not movies for justice. You don't think so? Conspiracies. Or yeah, yeah. I was thinking of calling it mindfuck. You already thought about this? Yeah, obviously. He's like, I'm going to do my spin-off. We're going to solve the world's problems, like by exposing everything. I feel like I'd be your occasional co-host on that show. Everyone's going to get on and talk about weird stuff. Put you on Zoom and we'd riff it out. You would be politics, wouldn't you? I don't know, maybe. I kind of like the direction that Justin's going with conspiracy. It'd be more fun. Because I think I'd be so toxic talking about politics. I think after five episodes... I guess you could get... Politics would go in with that. I was going to say, you could probably still get some of your politics into it. Yeah, so if we were on a show together, I would mix that in with the conspiracies and you would have the peer conspiracy. What's so great about that is it gives you sci-fi and politics and all those factors. I don't know, I think what you would enjoy the most about the politics is actually the intellectual banter with either your guest or the people you're challenging. Because you like, you thrive in that. I do, but it starts to get toxic, man. Oh, I just identified that. I would also have to think about what I want to keep doing that. Well, imagine doing nothing but talking about conspiracy theories. You'd be fucking tinfoiled hat out and dude like crazy. You wouldn't trust anybody. If that's all you fucking talked about and you studied and you read, you imagine. I don't know, it's kinda cool. I don't know, maybe. I'd have like multiple personality disorder or something. Like I'd have some kind of psychological way. You'd have to create a new personality just to deal with it all. You would business for sure. That's easy. Probably something in that vein, I think so. Yeah, finance, investments. Yeah, something along those lines. I think I would enjoy to do that. What about you, Doug? What would you do? That's a tricky one because I have a lot of interests, but I don't think I can go very deep on any of them. You know what I mean? That's a podcaster. That's a podcaster, he's just a surface. I just talk about all types of things. Well, it's the armchair or whatever. That would cause you to, I mean, there's a reason why I don't have a business, because for the same reason, like I would want to be even more versed in that world. So, but that would cause me to go deeper in that world. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I have an interest in business as well, especially like startup type business conversations. Photography would be something I would be interested in since I do enjoy that. I imagine how boring that would be. I know, it's like... All right, let's talk about apertures. Hey, you're listening to someone talk about pictures. Yeah. It's beautiful, you should see it. I know you can't see it right now, but it's really... Not to be more like the technical aspect of photography, that type of thing, but you know, again, not very exciting. Andrew, if you build a podcast, what are you building? I would do the production. Oh, a podcast around production? No, no, I'm saying I would do the production. Oh, you're like, I would do the production for it. I don't want to be on the show. Yeah, you know, it's funny, I was talking to... I was teasing my cousin, I'm on this group thread with my cousins, and I check in every once in a while, and basically I go in there and break their balls. That's my job. So I go in there, and I remember they were all talking crap about each other's jobs and whatever. And this is, again, we just break each other's balls. So I got on there and I'm like, man, I have... I literally have the perfect job ever. I'm like, what do you mean? I said, I get to talk about what I love to talk about, which is fitness and bullshit. So really, if you mix that all in, it's great. I said, I get free supplements, which had you asked me at the age of, I don't know, between the ages of 14 to now, what would be an awesome perk? Free supplements. I even get testosterone hooked up because I'm on TRT and they send it to me, and I get access to peptide. Are you kidding me? And you leave work at one? And I get to leave work and hang out with my family and my kids, and keep growing. How could you not add that in there? You're gonna add that in there. That's a definite perk. How do you drive a Minivan? Yeah, the Minivan isn't looking out. I feel like you're gonna be the one who breaks and does the Minivan first. We got the Suburban. That's got a lot of seats. Yeah, you don't complain about the gas on that? That's the hack, you know, to stay a little bit cool. Yeah. That's exactly what I would do. If I had this, the Suburban would be the mooch. What if I got like... The next is a bus. What if I got like an A-team Minivan? Yeah, I saw one of those the other day. Did you? Yeah, it was like... So it's like the panel van and it has like a little... Like why did it have that tall window? Yeah, no, the wing. Yeah, the spoiler wing thing on top of a van. Bro, there was a second there. It's not aerodynamic. There was a second there, that's like a toaster. There was a second there where people were making Minivans like into like, they look like fast cars or something. Remember that? Oh yeah, they were trying to like trick them out all crazy. Yeah. Well, you know what that is today? It is the, those like the Mercedes ones now. Oh, the Sprinter Vans. Yeah, Sprinter Vans. That's like the new... That is the thing now, is to take those and customize. There's a big business in customizing those. So there's only two kinds of vans that I would drive. One of them would be the A-team looking type one. Yeah. The other one, and Justin will appreciate this, is I'd get a Minivan. Armored. No. Oh. We've got the machine gun on top. Yeah, that'd be great. Get me, dude. Yeah, it'd be popular with the kids and I'd drop the kids off for the teachers. Hey, teachers. Here we go. I would have a van and then I'd have, you ever seen those like, those vans that people have? They're like a wizard. They'd go to the side, like a dragon or something. I don't know. Just shooting lightning bolts. Tell me that would be amazing. You guys went on a ride with me. I would totally be about that. You know what, you always hear people that have them and drive them that like, when they hear us talk shit or whatever that is like, yeah, that's how I thought too. And then I drove one. That's what everyone always says, and then you drive one and you're like, oh man, this is the life. I grew up in one, so I know what it's like to, and I drove it. What'd you guys have? We had a minivan. No, what was it? Dodge caravan. Oh, you had a caravan. Dude, we had an arrow star. Oh, you had one too? I did. Dude, what a terrible car. The one we had was stick shift. My dad bought a stick shift. Yes. Arrow, an arrow star. Same. Oh my. That's great. Arrow star is further back, right? That's even before the Dodge caravan, isn't it? No, I think Dodge is first. Oh, really? I think the first minivan was Dodge. I think. Bro, the stick on it was so long. That's the biggest minivan. Yeah. Yeah, dude. I remember that, dude. What a piece. 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