 All right welcome to the red man group live coming at you from the 21 summit for the 15 year anniversary We're excited to bring you guys a different kind of panel three years ago was when 21 first started introducing the patriarch edition and what it was was a very specific focus on the state of fatherhood and How we can promote a better in society how we can create better fathers and how we can bring more of a what a welcome embrace to the idea of fatherhood in general and It's moved into a really good direction because there's no way that you can get There's no way that you can make a movement happen if it doesn't transition into the next generation And so for a men's movement or a movement on masculinity in the betterment of masculinity to be able to reach its full potential It has to hit fathers and so we're really excited about what this has done We've got some great fathers on the panel today. So why don't we start over here to my left I'm gonna have you guys introduce yourselves and then give us an idea of what it was that you spoke on While you were here at this weekend. My name is Jeff younger and I spoke on What's happening with transgender issues my son being and my ex-wife trying to transition my son to a girl And what that means for fathers in the future? really concise Well done My name is Michael Foster. I I got to host the patriarch Conference it was great. I talked about a man's legacy and it's not that men are disposable people I always say why do women and children go first They don't go first because women and children have a greater value in essence than than the father does But because they represent his future his legacy the very thing he's trying to build So I talked about that and how fraternity and a good woman the right men and the right woman Is key to building the patriarchy building the legacy that lasts forever. Awesome. Okay So my name is Tanner Guzzi I spoke on the idea of having our children be oriented more towards their peers or Being oriented towards us as their parents and how parent orientation not only ties into the idea of being able to Transfer values and goals and identity in these things that actually hold civilization together But it's also so crucial for our kids to get a sense of who they actually are Whereas when they're peer-oriented they lose themselves in the identity of whatever group it is that they belong to and they never fully develop into Functional healthy beings with any real sense of self or self-esteem All right. Hi, I'm Cornel Smith. I'm the paternity coach While I normally would speak on behalf of parental alienation and helping dads be active dads because I'm familiar with that I spoke today about my book trapped by law and how over one million men and boys Have been falsely named and implicated as the father of a child for a pregnancy that he didn't commit and they faced jail in prison on a resounding basis facing a unsympathetic legal system and family law Hi, excuse me. My name is Trevor Loudon and I speak on Marxism That most of the social ills we see around us the the feminist ills the LGBTQ movements Many of the other destructive forces in our society are part of a long-term Marxist program to completely overturn our existing social order and Replace it with a attorney like we've never seen before so all of the problems. We're addressing here Pretty much have their roots in Marxism to some degree or another Okay, great. Thank you One thing to give you guys a heads up on and for you guys that are listening as well What we would like this particular panel to be is more openly conversational as opposed to my moderating and kind of asking Specific feedback from anybody else so jump in at any point when you want to One of the questions that I would like to start with especially because so many of you guys have addressed Really heavy topics and you're dealing with incredibly difficult things is Is there anything and if so what is worth being optimistic about with fatherhood right now? Sure, I'll go okay You can't smash gravity and you can't smash the patriarchy It's a part of the cosmos as part of the design. It's not going anywhere It you can have setbacks and we're in a setback, right? We're in a deep dark Valley I don't it can go deeper, right? But it is a valley and we will spring back out of this and we are seeing events like this Where so many different segments of the culture different types of people are here? and politically religiously just even the aspects we come at but they're still focused on Building up fatherhood building up children protecting it from legal standpoints all that so I think the presence of something like this should be very Encouraging like it's not we most of us don't do this because we get a ton of money or something like that It's because we care about the movement we care about fathers and it's it's across Across race social status and even religion in this case It's a there's a lot of reasons to be very optimistic So do you think that that that spring back that kind of coming out of the valley is something that's inevitable? And we're just kind of a part of the momentum of it or is it something that really is going to require? Some intentionality some work some sacrifice some organization on our part. Yeah, I think it It's inevitable because it flows from our nature, but that it still requires effort, right? And so yeah, we're gonna we have to do things like this The these conferences are helpful when they don't remain totally theoretical you need theory Yeah, but you need like practical steps to come out of that and that's what you're hearing a lot, okay? Okay, that makes sense. Can I chime in from this side, too? I'm encouraged by the fact that a lot more people are seeing that there is a need and value in having the father actively involved in the child's life and that the father is a great counter Toward juvenile, you know to feeding children into the juvenile justice system the prison pipeline But they also see that there is also a need for keeping men and boys out of a prison system For paternity fraud When I was when I started doing this over 21 years ago. I people attempted to shame me and laugh me out To talk on the topic and try to get me to be silent What I have observed though is a lot more people are saying, you know, truth is really not a bad thing It is it is it is good that yes if we have fathers involved in then mom wouldn't have the hundred percent of the load I was like, yeah, I've been saying that for decades So do you think that it's do you think that it's an embrace of truth or do you think that it's more of a selfish? They're seeing the utility of fathers and they don't want to carry the load themselves or is it both? I mean those aren't mutually exclusive, but they're not mutually exclusive But I'll say I think with some selfish motivation that rather than complain about why does mom have to do all the work by herself It's like hello, why does dad have to fight you to see the kid right instead of saying why didn't dad fight harder? I say there's a lot more of the public are embracing this position. Look, why did he have to fight in the first place? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he shouldn't have to fight to see if you see his kids unless he's an absolute degenerate of the father Yeah, how about it? How about the hypocrisy, right? You say you want dads to be involved, but then you erect legal barriers and and a huge wall You got to be Superman to jump over that freakin wall and the cost of admission if you don't have a $25,000 retainer You can't even get in the game, right? But what you're seeing to be optimistic about is that there's a cultural shift away from that There's a recognition of the problems that exist within that and that creates a potential to actually remove a lot of those barriers You don't need that retainer that it's not that hard to get over that massive at least at some of the lower income levels They've they've seen the magic in you know if we help these dads see their kids They will pay to child support without being forced like duh You mean if they have an emotional investment and they actually have a relationship Then they're more inclined to want to facilitate that and help that out precisely the same Precisely my good man I have to tell you Cornell I Googled you to find out and one of the top articles was from 2011 and was entitled whatever happened to Cornell Smith I was like he's in front of me on the stage Well the rad the radical feminists have somewhat disappointed that I haven't been silenced by their attempts to shame me To try to guilt trip me. Oh You are against women. I'm like, okay. I'm a guy. I'm a husband. I'm a father. I'm a grandfather I have a daughter. I have two granddaughters. I have seven sisters. How could I possibly survive in my family hating women? When it was one of my own sisters who first turned me on to the sheer volume of women who commit paternity fraud I Tried to defend my ex against my sister's claim And I in there's a dedication in my book as a big public apology to my sister She knew something that I didn't know about the very nature of those who have openly embraced The radical feminist Position that you can do everything that men can do without the accountability and without the responsibility piece I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, no You want to do everything that the men can do it's okay that you want to live a lifestyle where you have as Miniatures of the head count that you can stand However, there are Consequences and repercussions that go with that right and you don't get to avoid those. That's adulthood. There you go Yeah, radical concept. I know Can I can I excuse me? See you're talking about the paternity fraud the paternity for what happens because they're a government benefits or a government Largesse for lying. We're seeing this in the covert epidemic now Hospitals lie and inflate their figures because there is a financial incentive to do so. You're right So the real problem is socialism. Mm-hmm when you have government getting involved in areas It should not it creates the possibility of getting benefits of getting handouts of getting money that is not deserved so Iron Rand used to say socialism wasn't it wasn't that socialism Encouraged a few bastards. It turned good men into bastards it turns honest people into thieves and crooks and liars and so when these young women have a Financial incentive to lie and screw up a young man's life That is the same principle that doctors have when they inflate covert figures or when people And I'll we see socialism all over the place where we're your or business people who? Milk the system milk, you know get money. They don't shouldn't deserve because it's there on offer socialism corrupts people's souls it corrupts people's morality And that is the the root cause of many of the problems we're facing now So to end these corrupt practices we have to end socialism one I think the irony of this is that it's largely a chicken-and-egg situation because one of the biggest What bulwarks against socialism is a strong culture that isn't prone to these perverse Incentives that isn't so willing to throw out their integrity and their morality for the sake of some extra financial incentive and that kind of structure and culture is only maintained by a Civilization that values the nuclear family. Yes, and so if you have strong families They're much more prone to resist the allure or the siren song of socialism But when you have weak families and then socialism gets its hooks in and it can Further weaken the family then it becomes this downward spiral and it becomes more and more difficult for us to dig ourselves out of it And can I add to that? Yeah, the system also seeks to at that point to protect itself, right? Because some of my greatest opposition to legislative reform has come even at the executive level in state government Yep, after successfully getting legislation in California passed through the assembly and through the Senate Someone lied to the governor the former governor Gray Davis and told him that if you Passed the paternity justice act of 2000, you know what year it is now So give you an idea how long I've been at this if you pass this bill The state of California will lose 40 million dollars. So he vetoed the bill And I asked this question to the legislators. We had enough legislative support to Override the governor's veto There was there was not enough people in the room with gohunas To go over the governor, right? So what did that say that the system that was more willing to preserve the status quo and how it currently Operated and California was so good at getting orders against men and boys That over 80% of their orders in the 90s were established by default. Yeah Now why protect the system if you claim that it's all about helping the people Well, then socialism is not really trying to help the people, right? okay, so we've hit on some heavy stuff and I know for you know for three of you gentlemen, it's it's your first year at this event and you know, there's some kind of What I don't want to say trepidation, but you don't know what you're getting into when you come to an event like this One of the things that I have found as I've attended over the years is a lot of the men who are here Question whether it's even worth it to become a father. There's so many legal battles. There's so much potential danger There's you know, the fact that really on a whim She can take your kids and the government will reinforce that that you can deal you can go through the hell Jeff that you're in the middle of absolutely going through so I know I said I was gonna keep this open and I I still want to but I would I would like to hear from each of you We'll start over here with you Jeff if you don't mind He's being a dad worth it Yes being a dad's worth it But I think young men need to know what they're in for and Under the current legal regime that regulates marriage in any of the 50 states Your posterity is not secured You as a father inevitably enter into a long-term war against the state The state profits, you know in the state of Texas gets a half a billion dollars half a billion That's with a B dollars From divorce in federal reimbursements for divorce and the only way they get that money is if fathers are not Don't have 50-50 custody of their kids. Yeah fathers have to be paying child support or they don't get that money Judges retirement is Paid for from those reimbursements judges retirement goes up every time they assign child support So they're highly incented not to give you Equal custody with your kid and divorce and I think we should ask ourselves what what are the temptations for women in marriage because These most of these divorces are being initiated by women and we're asking women to you know You know on a very bad day and perhaps a number of years where they might have trouble in their marriage I mean every marriage has years like that, right? You're asking them to suffer through a temptation like this they could take the house Half of all the financial assets the children 30% of the gross income of their husband Get soul control of the children and We're asking them to just don't do that Because it takes nothing for them to file And so I think we need to think about the incentives that women have as well For filing for divorce and think about how we can change that. Yeah, I love to know that going in I would love to dive into that because I think that's a that's a really key thing that a lot of people miss out on Let me ask you though. Why? Why is it worth it? I mean because you're hitting on all this, but and I do I want to hit that But why why is it worth it? Why if you could go back? I mean, I know you love your kids You wouldn't go back and do it any differently as far as having them With all of this in front of you. What is it that makes fatherhood so wonderful that you're willing to go through all of it? Well, you know, I don't think a lot of these things are expressible in words, but The very first time That I saw my son watch me shaving and He picks one up that doesn't have a razor on it and starts copying me And I see that my boys start to live their life the way I live my life. They get up early like me The first thing they ask is what needs to be done They play really really really hard as hard as they work maybe harder than they work That they copy the way I talk Mm-hmm that they pray five times a day like I do and they got that from me. Yeah Seeing my sons develop into the life that my ancestors and my father's gave me has been the most intensely Important thing I've ever done in my life. Nothing in my life Can even possibly compare to that passing on my belief in God And these things to to my sons and then to watch my sons help other boys who don't have fathers Do the same thing and you just see how powerful your fatherhood is it it expands and their power goes into the world through your sons and daughters I Don't know how to explain that in words But maybe if you've ever had the experience of a child Copying your practices and your and your spiritual life and so forth you understand. I love it. I love it What about you Pastor Michael? Why do you love being a dad? Well, let me see if I can tie some of the topics together actually In the book of Exodus Pharaoh is scared of the uprising from the Israelites. So what he does is He tries to use the Hebrew midwives women to murder the firstborn sons future patriarchs of Israel Because he knows that strong fathers strong men a future legacy Would be a threat to his tyranny, right? So one there's why is it worth being? Fathers right because there is such thing as an evil patriarchy that needs to be smashed Right, but there's also a good patriarchy and if we back out of fatherhood Who will stand up to these tyrants who will push them back? You can think of authority as like energy energy can either be created nor destroyed, right authority Can't be created or destroyed and when a moral like energy Yeah, and so when you lose when when we give up our authority it goes somewhere in the case as Either we had our we gave up authority through abdication laziness or it was taken from us through some means It went into the government and now the government's papa, right? The government's the evil patriarch in this ironically. Yes, and again, they're using women Against men just like Pharaoh did just like the devil did just like the Philistines did this is this is nothing new These are ancient problems So I love that through Having my sons and daughters. I am building up households Future households that will tear this stuff down and build a free land Where my grandchildren and great-grandchildren can live it have a taste at least a taste of what I had That's one reason it's worth it So it's the taking energy and authority and putting it into a moral context Resting it from the immoral and giving it back to the taking it back from these people It's okay for the government to have authority. Oh, yeah, right? So you have three institutions you have the family you have the church and you have the state, right? There's fine with the but they each have their place and they have their limits and the problem is Fathers have to take it back because here's what we all know about governments Is that they don't give back once you give something to them, right? And we are not gonna be able to take it back by more government Can't fix more. I thought we were one law away from freedom That's what they want you to keep thinking right they want you on the treadmill in the hamster ball so to speak, okay? I love that. Awesome. Thank you. Cornell. How about you sir? Well, I say there is some good news about fatherhood I'm I've been married for 31 years To the woman that I selected but after my experience with family court Being an alienated dad I saw that fighting to get to see my kid was was something that didn't make any sense at all Because I hadn't committed no crime. I was I was okay in everybody's eyes until suddenly we had two different addresses And once we had two addresses The court seemed to work toward minimizing My contact and engagement in the in the life of my son. Yeah, you become the villain. Yeah, I was a villain by proxy But now in the marriage with my wife, there was a different life for my daughter Because she got to see me every day She got to see me all throughout the day be engaged. I was her I was her stem tutor Got to I showed up at school I was in I got to see and participate on the side that I didn't before Why would that be encouraging is that? After my experience of how to do it the wrong way, I became much more Discerning and critical about my selections of dating after that. I Took a three-year hiatus and quit dating all together And I just spent time working on improving me to be the best me that I could be and I've said I'm worth it and I'm not gonna let anybody else treat me this way And if they can't get with my program, they can go do whatever else the heck they want to do So what I would encourage the younger men to do is is to have a standard and Be clear on what your value proposition is and what what you want and And make sure that if you're going to even date someone that they are in alignment with you If you guys are running in two different Operations, I mean two different directions. I believe the Bible talks about that two people can't walk together That are not in agreement Well, if you're going to go down the path towards something more solid more meaningful to build a foundation to to build a family That you guys got to somewhere get on the right page before you get to the To the matrimonial section, right, right? But it is possible because at at 31 years of marriage, I can truthfully say about my wife I would marry her again But there was something different about her. She was untainted by The radical feminism based on the choices that she made and she willingly resisted the influences of the culture and you could find that and be attractive to a woman like that because of the Self-development and the personal work that you would put in yes, and she was and she was comfortable in her femininity femininity and she didn't have that masculine energy to to want to compete and Argue and fight and all of that kind of crazy stuff that I experienced before I Think I think that's one of the ironies is that a lot of men who are timid about the idea of Certainly fatherhood, but even long-term relationship marriage and general there's a whole different conversation to have about the idea of the state being involved, but we'll just say marriage as as is is They they don't realize that you don't get the entirety of what that Relationship can be unless you are family-minded and she is also family-minded exactly you only get to operate on 80% Arbitrarily but on some small percentage of what the actual potential of that relationship is if all you're focused on is You or even if all you're focused on is each other It's not until you embrace the entirety of the family that that relationship can reach its full culmination Yeah, yeah cuz if I be frank about it after my experience with the family loss system and I was determined I was never going to be a dad again. Yeah under no circumstances under anything But then my wife talked to me about what her heart was and what she and that was unfair To hold that against her. Yeah for what someone else had done. Yeah, no, don't punish her for what this other woman exactly exactly I'm logical. I'm fair-minded. I was like, you know, that makes a whole lot of sense Yes, your honor, I plead guilty on all of the charges. You got me good man. All right, Trevor How about you? What do you love about being a dad? Yeah, I think it's for any man. It's the most challenging and Rewarding responsibility that you can take on You're watching somebody grow you're influencing somebody but it gives you an incentive to make things better in every way Because you're looking at your own life and say well, I'm gonna be dead in 20 years I don't really care what happens. I can get through but when you're looking at your children and the world You want to pass on to them? It's a massive Incentive to make things better to set injustices right to to fight for what you believe in So I think it's it's very personally satisfying. It's Very very challenging. It's hard at times, but I wouldn't I wouldn't swap it for anything. I Love that you said that that way because as I've asked this I've been thinking about this myself too and and you hit the nail perfectly on the head because Invested fatherhood where it's not that just you you created a baby and you're you're doing enough to not have it get in the way but you're actually emotionally financially spiritually physically in every way invested in your children and Nihilism are mutually exclusive. You cannot be a nihilist and be an involved father You can't and so everything that's ugly about nihilism everything. That's ugly about the Heedonism that comes from it everything. That's ugly about government structures that created or social structures that facilitate it or everything else is Impossible to maintain or to tolerate or to allow when you have invested parents and So it really is the linchpin for any goodness and any sort of civilization is when you think bigger than yourself or bigger Than what your current generation especially because when you have kids and you see this innate goodness in them You see this beauty of not only what their potential is, but the beauty and what they currently are It is impossible to be a nihilist All you can see is potential greatness and so it's it's huge. It's so powerful So thank you for for hitting that off that way. That's that's massive It'll bring out the warrior in you Oh, yeah, because what you may may not get involved in before but when your kids on the table and the stakes are that high It can it can motivate the warrior in you. Yep Absolutely. Okay. I want to come back Jeff with what you're talking about because this is I This is the thing that a lot of men refuse to realize is because you either get this kind of extreme ownership Which is very good and we as men are prone to do this where there's a problem And so the the burden of responsibility is on me to fix it And then you also get a lot of guys who get really cynical and they kind of treat women as if they are Big children or that they don't have any ability to override their programming And so whatever the the incentives are for them to be able to pull the plug on there on their marriage They're just gonna follow it because they're you know, they don't have any free will of their own They're not rational beings the way that we are and so it's impossible I think both of those are pretty stupid arguments women are capable of being just as well thought or just as moral Or just as rational in a complimentary way to how we as men are so what are the kind of incentives that we can create? So that women won't pull the trigger on the incentives that the state or the current culture provides for easy divorce for For being able to just pull and bail as soon as it gets difficult So, you know, I'm one of these guys that I go well Why did the divorce rates spiked up and I go what were we doing before that? When it wasn't so high why were parents cooperating before the 1960s and a lot of it had to do with cultural factors, right? People I think were more committed to the family. One of the things is all you'll ever hear talked about nowadays as the individual But actually the smallest unit of social organization is the family We should not be individualists We should be focused on the family as the smallest unit of social organization And the mother and father should have rights And with those rights are concomitant duties and and socially those duties were enforced one way they were enforced with their shaming We've forgotten that right it wasn't you know In my father's hometown It was not uncommon for men to endure beatings should they abandon their children. This was not uncommon and I mean serious beatings and Public humiliation this was not uncommon You know, so there was a social aspect to it the laws were different You know effectively the laws said that whoever leaves the marriage without cause loses the children Because you've abandoned the family unit. Yes, exactly. Yeah, you did abandon the marriage. You abandoned the family Yeah, on the other hand the law allowed in Texas at least allowed five causes or Ending a marriage without such consequence one would be infidelity which is abandoning the family which is a bad in the family So we need to sort of think I think take a winner takes all attitude if you want to leave a marriage Well, I you know, we have these this individualist legal system that will let you do that But you don't take anything with you when you go the wealth and the children stay together with the parent who was loyal to the family The disloyal person gets nothing except their freedom And that is a that would take away a massive changes a lot of incentive I gave a talk to the ladies today and there's a really good study. It's one of the only such studies It's ever been done. It's called these boots are made for walking. Why most divorce filers are women It was done in an economics journal because it couldn't have been done in a sociology journal and they the only way they can find any correlation to why it's women is it's to obtain sole control of the children and And and I think a lot of men do the opposite. They want to get away from their children They don't want us to to be with their children and I think you have to just say that if you leave without cause You don't take anything with you. You've got your freedom, but you're leaving butt naked How do we do that? Because we've all heard the idea that politics is downstream of culture laws are downstream of culture How do we and even I'd love Michael how you introduced the idea of you have these institutions of the family the church and the state and I think one of the one of the issues that we butt up against is that we get so focused on changing the laws and changing our relationship with law and government and Tend to not focus on how we can change the culture that we're in and it doesn't have to be a macro change in a culture But even our micro culture the culture within our own families the culture within our extended families within our neighborhoods I know for me for example, and this is one of the reasons why this hits a little bit closer is I'm in Utah I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints our divorce rate Sadly is climbing like like a lot of the world But it's not nearly what it is for most of you and it's not because the laws in Utah are any More friendly towards men or doesn't make it the laws are the same in fact In a lot of cases they're worse than a lot of other states It's the culture but there's the cultural component of what our church is and the the shame or the fear or the consequences The eternal consequences that come with it and it's fascinating how much more of a buffer that creates To the point where it doesn't even have to go to the legal component because that's that's a stop gap That never even gets tapped into and so what is it that we can do to be able to create cultural change? Because that we need to do both we need to do all of it, but what is it that we can do to create cultural change? While we are at the same time working to be able to change the legal stuff Especially because as we change the culture will be easier to change the laws as well We've got to be done with being grill Americans, right? I think it's Curtis Gavin, or I don't know where I picked this up But these are Americans that just want to be left alone and grill and drink their beer Right you can't do that. They will not leave you alone. No, and so just not being passive anymore like You know Jeff got involved in and learn all the things you could do right one man could do you learn how the system worked? It'd be nice for us all to start getting involved though Proactively before something bad happens, right? Whether it's just in your local HOA or school board or whatever that's one thing bring back action fathers actually taking action in their local community Responsibility for it and modeling that to their children and then when people are passive and not taking responsibility for themselves You should shame them Right like shame is good when it's shaming the right things like pains good when you step on a nail is your body hurts It should be a motivator for change. Yeah, it should like well. Yeah, if your buddy I I had a friend that was getting ready to ditch his wife and I said man, that's terribly should be ashamed of yourself Right I love them, but you said that because you love I did it's shameful Like it's not where you guys are at yet And so it's not about hate, right? That's not the same thing, right? You know, but it's like that's shameful behavior We have to have there's no sense of shame, right? That's how we can have men big fat hairy ugly men dress up like women and Read in our libraries. It's insane. It's shameful, right? Have you no shame they don't and that's what it is. It's a push to remove any sense of shame No, it's not even that it's a push to make you feel a sense of shame for having shame That's exactly right perversion of the utility and the morality of shame And so we don't want to shame people for being good fathers for taking action for being manly or women being feminine but we do want to shame people for like Getting away from the responsibilities, right in our culture. We we have to return a sense of right and wrong Culture it's decadent. Yeah, social norms have just been consistently attacked The the if you had to generalize the movements that are attacking the family It's the destruction of all social norms and the uplifting of transgression of all those norms And even when they create these new perverse norms, they begin to transgress with those, right? So you never have a sure footing never. Yeah, we'll see see see what what is revolution? You know, we have certain hierarchies that we have been given Revolution is overturning the natural hierarchies, right? You see even Jordan Peterson who I admire a lot gets this wrong. He's always criticizing hierarchy Hierarchy is a very valuable thing. You know, we have you know, God man nature is one hierarchy That is extremely valuable father mother children parent child master apprentice Revolution is overturning the natural hierarchy. And so we have to value hierarchy and Churches have even gotten away from this a pastor is no longer the leader of the church He's just one of the friends. He's just one of the boys, you know The father is not respected as a leader of the household When we destroy hierarchy, we are getting into a revolutionary situation Because we were given these hierarchies by God to run an ordered structured life When we abolish these hierarchies or disrespect these hierarchies We are falling into chaos and that chaos is what is needed to establish a new hierarchy Run by the opposition team not the team that we would want to be on Anthony We need to make hierarchy great again hat. Yes, that would be I could contribute to this that within my community the African-American community or the Americans of African descent a Reversal happened where it used to be eight out of ten of the families were led with mother and father intact because they were married and they were succeeding in the culture When all of these things were going against the the the the people of color Like real racism and not that that crap they talk about today, which is just playing loosey-goosey with the terms, right? and That is reverse into where now eight out of ten of the families are being led by a single mother's and they're Pedestalizing the mother's for who you go girl look at you like wait a minute. Hold on you When you take the father out of the home You are circumventing the potential for that home to be successful and then also limiting the potential for the children to escape poverty So what regardless of what I saw happen with other segments of the American population? We saw our women in the American of African descent community. We saw them say well, they would rather get a check From the government and keep the man out of the house Well, if we were to be honest if we turn this back to we're making families great again and making fathers great again Would we not have a tremendous impact on the role of society at large because we're within the church community We see that if you help fathers obtain and and and Maintain their rightful place you help change the family you help change the community And that has an impact throughout the rest of that community. Yeah, but instead I've seen a lot of the churches accu-west to Supporting feminism well and how pathetic is it that we have allowed the entirety of the role of fatherhood To be mitigated down to the equivalent of a paycheck Charles yeah, right well not only that even from a child for a child supporter or government perspective But how many men that are fathers that are still in Sexless dead marriages that their kids resent them and everything else. They see that that is their only role You're right. I provide money for this household and that's it. That's only contribution I have to make and so if you don't want to be nothing more than a paycheck that can be easily replaced You have to make yourself more to your family than just a paycheck You have to be involved in other ways that they cannot replace you with just more dollar bills Yeah, yeah, it has to be more that defines you in the family than the fact that Hot what do you mean dad? You just a guy that sleeps in the room with mom and you bring a check by every now Right. Yeah, that's awesome. That is a sad statement for a kid to say to her dad So dad you you're gone so much that that we all we had to retrain the dog to keep him from attacking you So how do we How do we model ourselves To be actually, you know what Jeff? I'm just gonna ask you this Because you talked about this in your presentation Tell us more about what you're doing with martial arts and with these other things I think you embody this idea of aspirational fatherhood where you are not the kind of dad that makes fatherhood look like it's the Death of ambition. It's the the end of masculinity. It's the end of self-development You model what real What fully integrated? Continually growing fatherhood is for your kids. How do you do that? Tell us more about what that looks like? Well, you know, I believe to be a man period and a father I mean a man just a man in our society is to be a guardian of excellence and standards That's one more time, please a man is a guardian of excellence Guardian and he defends those standards and so with with my children, you know, I I told you I don't believe in leadership styles It's just one leadership style just lead by example. So My boys started exhibiting interests in sports So Unfortunately for me, you know at the age of 45 it meant I had to start boxing again So and and you know, I had to get in a ring with 20 year olds and and mix it up to show them that you know You can be hit you can train seriously and you can get good at this stuff and So I've never asked my children do anything. I won't do I've always led by example, whether it's an art writing I still write them letters and cursive because I told them they needed to learn cursive So there's everything I've asked them to do I do first. I do it first and last Yeah, and I make sure that they learn how to take care of themselves The first thing they see in the morning is me and the last thing they see at night is me praying with them I'm there in the beginning in the end and when they get assigned Responsibilities I expect out of them and and they know how to do that To the point where I rarely even have to have rules in my house my children know to be reasonable Right, your room doesn't have to be perfectly clean. It should never rise to level my tension And if you have my respect And nothing has risen to the level of my tension. The answer is always. Yes, you want to go hunting rabbits The answer is yes, you want to go to the bounce house? The answer is yes You want to climb trees? I'm getting up there with you if you don't have my respect It's just like real life. The answer is always no Man, what a great model. I'm stealing that one That's fantastic All right What about the rest you guys? What do you do? How do you make fatherhood something that because what I love about this is You keep growing. Yes, you keep getting better. Yes, I have to yeah, right You have a moral obligation to do that. I have to lead them in growth exactly and they follow me How do you guys do this? How do you make fatherhood aspirational and desirable in that way where? You keep growing and you keep leading through that example. Well for me something happened during during my time of of Self-reflection after having successfully getting laws changed in 11 states I put on a workshop in the fatherhood program for men whose choice was they could either be in that program or go to jail and I decided I would take that opportunity To help them see that that every last one of them had gift talents and abilities That they could and that they needed to develop and they could make this moment in their life Even while it was miserable a turning point The name of my workshop was called the naked truth There's naked truth university and I said one way or the other you're gonna graduate from this university You either gonna graduate as a victim or a victim or a victor and it's up to you to choose and It turned out so well That the men asked can I come back and can I bring? My cousin like where were you when I was a teenager when I was 13 and 12 because I never heard this stuff before So what was it was it just helping them see that they have? Value that they can develop and then offer it was that plus how to put together a path to victory With help Because what we as men have been sold a bill of goods about you supposed to just figure it out all by yourself You just supposed to suffer in silence, and I'm and I observed that the women don't do that crap Yes, in fact, they will they will band together. They will okay. All right. Hold on. All right There's enough crying now. It's time to get up girl. They will put together a plan They will work together. They would they would move from the place of despair Mm-hmm out of the valley toward a place of victory by Recognizing that they needed help. I Think you know there's a really good point to that because I don't think it's an accident that we are Simultaneously seeing a decrease in involved fatherhood While we're seeing a decrease in brotherhood. Mm-hmm, and in order to be able to reach the full potential of fatherhood Dads have to have brotherhood you have to have other men that will hold your feet to the fire or will understand the challenges of fatherhood In a way that's different than your wife understands motherhood or that can help you be that sounding board or anything else And I think that's another one of the narratives sadly that you get you know the kind of happy wife happy life or my wife won't let me do this where We we abandon our friends When we get married and when we have kids and obviously you need to be smart about it Where your life should change when you get married it should change when you have children Mm-hmm, but brotherhood and fatherhood are not mutually exclusive. They're mutually beneficial Absolutely, and one of the things that we saw for the men was teaching them the need for brotherhood Because what I would show them is that hey while you're out looking for jobs and you see applications It's because the men started to pay attention to what each other's gifts talents and abilities where I says listen guys The way that you guys are affected by the system being adversarial You guys are not enemies the the Caucasian guy You're not the enemy of the of the black guy and the Hispanic guy. I said you're all being pimped By the system at a different level and you're all Incomproducing property for the state. That's right So if you guys would start working as a unit Against the way the state work and I taught them how to lobby and how the legislative process work Because they thought their voice didn't matter When I start showing them how as one guy you might not be able to change it all by yourself But you could sure as heck start a fire in the minds of those people who could help you You give them a shared goal you give them purpose and you give them the ability to start to move forward You give them a taste for victory and they saw results amazing Amazing. All right gentlemen. It has been an absolute pleasure doing this with you Why don't we start over here and Trevor tell us where people can find you if they want to get more from you? Yeah Find me at Trevor Loudon dot com But you'll have to put that in the search bar at the top of the page You can't Google it because Google's forgotten my IP address Which is exactly how you know he's worth paying attention to but also Well, I have a movie coming out launched November 2nd called enemies within the church and it and it looks at the Marxism and the feminization of American Christianity and It will address a lot of the issues, you know the the false interpretation of love that is that is in many churches You know the love in most churches now is very feminine rather than the masculine love That was more common, you know the onward Christian soldiers marching as to war Ethos that used to be much more common. So please check that enemies within the church is coming out very soon I think whether you're Christian atheist Jewish, whatever you will find a lot of value in it. Awesome. Thank you, sir Well for you to stay in contact with me. I invite you to connect with me I'm in carnell smith the paternity coach you can find me at the paternity coach Com the paternity coach calm that gets you with that one link to all of my social media To my YouTube channel where you're gonna see the men and boys who have been affected by Paternity fraud you will also see the the link to my book and my whole goal for participating in events like this is to inspire hope in men and Boys and in the women who love them who will stand up to fight for them wonderful Michael Foster, where can we find you? I have a podcast that I record every once while But there's like 70 episodes called. It's good to be man. You'll find that on any podcast directory our church Our sermons are up. That's East River Church, Batavia And you find me in Batavia. Oh, hi if you look hard enough look hard enough. All right playing hard to get Well, the court has imposed a gag order on me So even speaking to you now is illegal But I have a network of volunteers who run a page on Facebook So if you just go into Facebook and search for save James, you'll see a little boot logo come up And there's international coverage of the transgender issue relating to children There's a lot of information about fatherhood Laws and it covers lots of aspects of my particular case and what's going on with my children and just search for save James On Facebook. Awesome. Thank you My name is Tanner Guzzi. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram which is at Tanner Guzzi Those are the best places to find anything related to me for fatherhood content and with that We thank you for joining us on this edition of the red man group live fatherhood is wonderful fatherhood is noble Become fathers be involved fathers and we will see you guys on the next episode of the red man group. Thank you Welcome back to the 21 convention second patriarch edition live in Orlando, Florida Welcome to the 22 convention Welcome back to the 21 convention 2020 of Orlando, Florida being held for the first time ever at our very first and inaugural 21 summit events Well, here we go we risked again with the 22 convention the patriarch in 21 convention all three stages together in one event Not only did we sit down and say we're going to come together in meet in mass, but we're going to take it a step further We are going to dare have a conversation about the sexes openly honestly and engage the woman like that like I am amazed that I'll well this one We did a brand new event. We did the second patriarch and we did the main event for the 19th time It's so much more than sitting in an audience Watching a man on a stage the conversations in the hallways The connections that people make the challenging the collaborations And that's what we need it all starts with men and it's not just men. That's what I like about this You know, we don't want to like overreact It's a feminism and then and then hate women. That's not it This is about men getting their act together doing what they're made to do you had meals You had to run security you had to run travel plans You had to ensure people were where they needed to be three stages Cameras everywhere and it was pulled off with flawless execution. It's evolved so much I really appreciate how Anthony has allowed you speakers To evolve and to grow and to share that and to encourage that with all the other men here To hear so much talk on family and fatherhood. There's more depth. There's more room for who they could be Is the word? Patriarch ear patriarch offensive to you in any way not to me personally, okay, not at all It's something that I I cherish it. I love it. I grew up You cherish the patriarch. I do in mansplaining news a three-day conference for women led by men Hopes to make women great again, but women need to be taught how to be great again Like how to land a husband How to lose weight how to pop out a bunch of kids Why the forms of women? Well, it says the world's ultimate event for women. You know Orlando, Florida That's gonna be the scene of the crime. It's mansplaining Palooza. You say no to the toxic bullying feminist dog Patriarchy is the future It's good to see it in person. I'm just Until I got here and saw it and you can see the people in the audience You see the men that are here committed to listening. I mean, it's just changed my idea of what the conference is the professionalism staff the way everything is organized It's giving me a different perspective about this particular idea and I'm ready to put some more fire into it Welcome to dream world ladies and gentlemen