 been properly warned posted at three places and on the website and emailed to interested parties so we can go ahead with this meeting. Sounds like this is what people always wait to the last minute. Does anyone have any additions to the posted agenda? Do you want to add? No, okay. So the minutes for the last meeting, Pat was not there and Tom is not here tonight so we're going to table these until Tom is at a meeting so we can work with those. Hey, Martin, we just started asking if anyone had any additions to the agenda. Did you have anything to add or are you just here? No, I will be, Tom. I have some things to talk about as they come up. As they come up? Okay. That are already on the agenda? That are already on the agenda? No, it's just a matter of the guests. Okay. We're gonna start before our regular meeting with the public hearing on the Belamont Trial. What is it? It's a resolution for Vermont Community Development Grant which is going to be a between, there's no one here from Hancock or Granville I don't think tonight, but we're going to be applying for this on behalf of the three towns in support of studying the Belamont Trial and Angus McCusker is here to speak on that. Yeah, so Hancock and Granville sec board both signed a letter of support on behalf of their communities. It's just a planning grant so there's still a lot more questions and answers at this point. If we were to get this grant the hope is that you know we can engage the community further see what the community wants to see. I doesn't want to see. I know the town of Hancock but we're pressed down wanting to see the trial come near the village community so stuff like that. Nothing else to add to the project in general. Anybody have a question about me? Well I guess if anyone has any questions you'd see a good one to answer this. Yeah, so the Robinson IRP that stuff is undergoing reviews still so that stuff I don't know if you've been following that at all what we'll propose over there at this point that's kind of what but we don't really know outside of the Robinson IRP we don't really know where so somewhere from here headed north you know through Granville Hancock and Granville toward the memory of Valley would be the hope whereabouts I'm not sure you know there's a lot of things we have to consider you know what wilderness areas places we shouldn't be building trails so we just want to be mindful of that you know it's supposed to be the idea would be a multi-use design for mountain biking but great for running hiking walking the idea is that rather than a trail just being up there in the mountains it would come down out of the mountains engage the community people stop get food sacks whatever and head back on out of the and also the idea with partnership with Vermont huts Association would be a hut-to-hut network so looking at existing places that might be interesting hosting a hut for people to stay at not necessarily meaning we're going to build new huts everywhere yeah just a concept at this point you got any any kind of idea what kind of traffic you're going to be anticipating and that's part of the grant planning grant is to find out you know it also includes a economic impact study they would potentially bring in some visitors from out of state so typically a lot of people drive up and down 100 that you maybe stop quick and but head on you know there's nothing really that draws people to this area to recreate right here in the valley so to speak so that could be an opportunity that also be an opportunity for all of us locals residents to have something right here from town and be able to hike up along the river somewhere up into the mountains the ranger station there's some existing uh trail that we were saying Rochester Randolph area of course trial line is built last fall if you hike up there you'll get an idea of what the trail we hosted a 5k walk run event earlier in the spring kind of get people out there enjoying it we'll show up for that how many people um remember how many people are like 50 or so yeah it was about 50 yeah well there was a free event you know just to get people out enjoy it wasn't really publicized you know it wasn't idea wasn't to be a big event but just rather something for people to do on national trails day it says uh game enough with like bass or something like floor I mean something with bass yeah and that seems like they don't use it in the summer the bridges are where the bridges are needed fast trails are a great opportunity in some places but not every place is a lot of fast trails pretty steep um which is can be impossible sometimes to bite up um and so you know some areas might be in the winter frozen but in the summer it's pretty wet so we don't want to create further erosion and stuff like that so we're looking at areas where we can utilize uh four surface roads or some four surface roads that we can utilize um a lot of existing trails rather than creating all new trails we want to utilize what's available it's a matter of linking everything together thank you if I have a question about a lot of these trails around private use uh private land um a majority but I think at this point they've been proposed for the uh the floor service public lands um but that there is an opportunity where there might be some connections um we do have some land owners that have expressed uh interest in helping make those connections happen but that would be part of the planning granted to explore getting the community involved um you know something we were thinking about doing in the spring is kind of hosting like a kickoff meeting the community involved um maybe a pierce hall or something and just get everybody's input concerns you know make sure we address those um yeah well when you're on private properties going from one property to another and you're getting the use value of permission is that correct yep because they have to have a whole uh design of what's being used on the land yeah we definitely have a land owner permission form that we would use whether like if we were to propose something on private land with the county forest yeah I include everybody yep yeah yeah good yep I guess does this study um include what the impact would be on our fire and rescue is is it going to be part of this study as well and we would have to yeah um yeah that's something we could add to it um that's a really good point you know right right now we rely heavily on volunteer um I know members of you know working with the stretcher fire department myself included uh volunteer search and rescue um but yeah we need to know maybe based on the economic impact study what kind of traffic we bring to okay what does this mean for you know because we'll they'll have campfires at night so we would want to actually so in in regards to not a dancer maybe he can answer um in terms of coordination with the robinson project and the studies of what's happening there is this has come up has this been included already in the robinson study or is this an addition after after that how does that fold in with the uh the visions and the robinson project of um you know timber management and recreation and all of that is that um well I'm not here to represent for no you're not okay but you might have that but um and I guess probably knows as much as I do about the sections of trail that are within the robinson project that may or may not be part of development that's what I'm just trying to see if it was to what extent it was some of it certainly could be like the chitin and brook stuff um yep certainly could be so some of it may be nested within the robinson project that seems like it would make sense to have the both energies working on the same project yeah just to be clear we're still waiting on you know approval decisions part of robins IRP so that could not happen too so we might need to have four other options so anybody else have any input before we close this period then thank you Angus and I'd like to move to pass the resolution applying for the um the municipal planning grant to dig further into it second I second that I won't favor fine fine tortues to the state and the municipal planning grant to be applying for that grant where is the grant coming from? Grant's coming from the two rivers should be on there can you see on the agenda the agency theory development and then with it uh is where the municipal planning grant comes in so from the state agency though the state agency I think yeah that's it yes yes Vermont community development program thank you so moving on to re-opening the um so moving notified step by step the board will be notified then we in turn will be notified step by step along this process is that correct yeah well I'm sure it will notify everybody that if we receive the grant at all and then um you know outside of the the process you know we do want to engage the community so something sometime next spring I think would be where we have an event or something to get everybody um and we can certainly put a note about make sure everybody's aware of it yeah moving on to um guests john ashley um that you yep yeah we re-opened the select board meeting yes so you want to give us a rundown of the change orders here sure um would you like me to stay right here or is it better if you need to run I'm fine okay uh so do you have a copy of my okay so uh I'm here to give an update on and ask for some input on the financial status of the rock the wastewater reconstruction wastewater system reconstruction um the project is uh for people who aren't familiar with it the what's called site number three of the wastewater disposal system is being rebuilt um this is the leach field down below the school the project was bonded for uh five hundred thousand dollars hebert construction has been doing the work uh their base contract price is three hundred fifty thousand seventy eight dollars and the initial contract was signed with one alternate included which was six thousand dollars um we looked at uh the the initial question to me was can we add in the uh remote telemetry unit that is proposed for the pump station at site one and uh to give you that background of uh what's at site number one is a pump station that has a control panel that's right there at the at the station and if there are any issues with or need to check the pump station um requires that you have you go to the site and we'll let you let Terry go to the site and and checks it and uh this remote telemetry would uh make some modifications to the control panel so that it works with an added panel with a small radio antenna and uh that would allow the system to be checked from online anywhere you could be online so on a computer or on your phone or whatever and uh what you would be able to check is the uh whether the pump which pumps are running um the condition of the pump seals which is a part that's really important to the pump continuing to work um and uh pump run times which are an indicator of if you might have any issues going on at the pump station um um and that uh that was included in our original um design and uh price the price in uh Hebert's for site one for site one yes was uh and we didn't put put it in Hebert's initial contract because we wanted to see where the project would be ending up and whether there was room to add this in or not and the cost of this was uh adding for site three no site one adding in the site one telemetry the site one uh telemetry site three telemetry was included in okay authorized at the beginning and uh uh the and Hebert's uh price when they bid on this the telemetry at site one was uh ten thousand dollars so we looked at whether that could be added into the project at this time or not um we have some changes during the course of the project the uh depth of the excavation of the existing leach field was around five feet which was deeper than we were expecting and some of the material above the leach field needed to be removed as contaminated soil also um excuse me is that on site three yes you're back on site three yes uh so that so the three quantities associated with site three's leach field which are the excavation of the bed mound sand to build up underneath the bed the new bed and um and then the disposal of what was taken out those all are higher than um than we had included for the quantities which means their uh Hebert's price in the end will be running over on those three items by just shy of thirty seven thousand dollars we have three items that we know are not going to be used which are ninety four hundred dollars that won't be needed or installed so that's a deduction from what the original contract was and we have a few additional items that were needed a change in the change in how the control panel is mounted and the post size we were able to avoid needing an easement to have the driveway go to the tanks at site three by having the having an access road fill on the river side of the of the leach field that was an additional cost but it was saving and avoiding the easement cost and then some additional electric needs at the site one pump station and so those are outlined in here when you take the total project costs which things that you're they're supposed to sort of count against your bond amount this is separate spreadsheet that's attached if all that's included and we add add the remote telemetry at site number one include what was in there for allowances for legal costs and the town's management of the project those those are 11 000 and the remote telemetry at site one is 10 000 the project would go over the bonded amount by just shy of 21 000 520 955 you the the town has the select board has the authority to increase the bond if you choose to buy up to 75 000 for unanticipated costs without rebonding that's one choice the way it could be done would be to not do the telemetry under this contract potentially hire a champion to make the modifications and do the work out of your sewer fund or something like that and then not put your administrative and legal costs into it and you would still be you still should be under the bonded amount um and there are probably a few options in between also I don't have a strong recommendation either way you you have a contractor here uh they're they are what I would Terry and I would would say they're they are behind schedule um it's supposed to be done work by September 1st and um the leach fields are not finished and there's a good amount of work to to finish them they're they're largely there but the the piping in the fields needs to be put in and tested and then then the whole leach field area needs to be finished topsoil and seeded and mulched and there's a quite a bit of site cleanup at the end so the the likelihood of being done by September 1st is that it's I don't yeah I think they're behind that um so what does that trigger if they don't finish by September 1st well I think we have um I think we have some uh an amount in there for daily liquidated damages if the town chooses to I think there's a daily rate that could be charged against the project normally it's to cover additional engineering costs being there before to manage the project longer we're not we're not going over at this point and I don't think you would end up running into any extra engineering costs on the project because we've been able to use some of you very local to to do the construction review we've been efficient with our budget and so I think we're in good shape there um but my intention is to follow up from this meeting talk to them tomorrow about the schedule and the part of the reason for the schedule being finished by September 1st was not to conflict with with school so that's uh what we're running up against my my big concern is larger vehicles going in and out and then just the attraction of hey there's some big equipment that I'd like to climb on or or run depending on the kid so Terry do you have any input I don't think we should do this down now I think we'll be better off though or so we might need to save a little bit if they're going to be running late would he or just do it what the 10,000 I doubt it I don't think it's supposed to be charged down a daily basis for right what they're over just I would hope they won't they won't run that far over yeah uh they're they're insightful if they could put some put some more people on and get it wrapped up it won't be that far off but John do you have an estimate of if they did that if they were like concentrate after you spend what's the estimated time I don't see a reason they couldn't be completed by the end of the following week we're all looking at a week to 10 days you suspected this time and I actually worked in eight probably on four or five yeah you were thinking like Friday the 6th right I mean this is just me guessing over something I don't have control over I can't uh you know I don't can't tell the contractor what to yeah how many people to put out there does that include the the cleanup part of it the seating matching all that stuff or is it just the actual well there'll there'll probably be some of the I think they could have things to demobilize all right probably we got it on but it won't take them long to demobilize but there's there's there're going to be things areas we want receded or yeah that could linger past that week depends on how well they do it yeah well the main thing I think is to get all that big equipment and then will we be getting work done yeah you know they have to you know see much that's yeah so I'm going to show you this what is the bond line different from what one is there been bonded for and two is what they're contacting for and a little bit clear a few the contract is different than the bonded amount I realized yes the uh the total bond includes preliminary engineering final engineering and permitting our our work during good and construction and um and the uh all the contract work the contract work comes out to about 401,000 if we don't do the alternate I do that right if you if you took out the uh telemetry at state one what was the engineering you're over a hundred see here I don't have a sub total there so that you did test bits before this yes and you weren't able to determine then that you have a bit deeper now what we saw in the test bits um looked like it was going to be more localized right around the pipes there are a lot of pipes that we exposed that uh the the uh the bio materials the black stuff around the piping was really it didn't stand far into the leech field so um underneath the leech field we didn't think would go much deeper and um the thing in hindsight that I I think maybe we should have thought about was we did see you know some areas where the grass growth changed so I think the pushing above the leech field knowing now that both what we saw you know in the excavation and having seen that before I should have I should have I realized above the leech field was going to be they had a couple play pockets so how many extra yards do you think you had to take it well it comes out to about two feet deeper than we expected how many yards approximately oh sorry yards right so that's certainly going to add to the time necessary to do this yes they could die they haven't applied for an extension of the contract time but yes I think yes but they if you didn't know it would be hard for a contractor to know that yes yep I'm not I don't I'm not a fan of doing liquidated damages on a project and we normally try to work with the contractor on when they do apply for a change order or we do the balancing change order even we can we could extend the time of this contract also if that's what the town wants to do and I think it would be reasonable here you did us you didn't spec out wash stone for this project yes we did yeah what is it that they would be screening for stone well what they brought I think I think what they ran into was they were using trucks that they had hauled sand in and not and that was contaminating their their stone they didn't have a they were transporting a clean truck because that's kind of putting us back to the original problem yes it was the inferior material underground yes you have them remove what had fines in it just by screening uh I mean so this stone isn't really washed in if it had sand in it it may have been washed at one point but once you put sand in it it's not a washed stone right uh I don't know if they screened the stone I know we told them I couldn't have the fines in it that we saw they removed it yeah they screened all the stone they screened it all pretty much and I don't know if they I don't know if they then washed it again no they didn't what I've seen there's out there there's not the fines are in it anymore yeah you would want them no but it sounds like you were concerned that they had washed it well no I'm just okay just to screen stone to get all your sand out is do you really get all your sand out right it looks good it doesn't I don't see fines in it anymore did you see any uh no I went I did want to draw it dry so it really helped a lot yeah sure yeah I mean it still is not washed but so part of their run over is a result of that mistake on there they're in part yes right yeah but that slowed them down a little bit yes so if we don't do the telemetry on the the second telemetry telemetry station that is what $11,000 what are the other associated costs with that it doesn't just drop the the total project by only 11,000 oh yes the telemetry only drops it's like $10,000 and if you don't apply for if you don't include your any legal or administrative in town town project management costs like um joner terry's time or something like that is what that's for that's another 11,000 that's in the total project costs right now that those two together would be $21,000 that would keep you under the bond amount just just barely you're thinking that that telemetry later project yeah I thought the guy say that Champlain yeah well I don't mind keeping it at or under the bond amount it seems like a good idea yep there's no pressing reason to push ahead with the other what do you think yeah I'm more versed in and I think that's what the voters would want us to want us to do at this point in time also it would be noticed that it's going over time wise after Labor Day when everyone's dropping their kids off to school so can can it make up some of the time by working through Labor Day I will uh I will bring up that into account I'll be bringing up the schedule with them tomorrow and uh that's three days that maybe we don't have children around right so other than that I I just would like to see it tied up and uh so it's possible I have a question about the payoff of the bond uh how long your period is the bond for 30 years isn't it I'm pretty sure it's 30 30 30 years 30 years yes and it's not being rolled in through the existing water and sewer payoff that is nearing no this is separate we're going to say separate forever but there's also a significant um there was some grant money is added we had to bond for the whole amount but that the town is not paying back the whole amount there is yeah yeah yeah but we had to expend it before we could get the reimbursement yeah this bond is with Farrah's home oh yeah yeah all right so we communicate that yes thank you for coming and laying it out for us again I thought it was easier covering first in it yeah thank you yeah if we don't have a meeting so that would segue right into Joan your updates first thing is um the last meeting you asked me to look into the use of rap uh recycled asphalt pavement is what I know what that means uh because we have a pile of it um John was talking about the last meeting there was a question about whether it should be used or or not so um I had some correspondence with uh an engineer guy at in at the state who's part of the local loans program and I think tonight I think I gave you a copy of this email but I just want to summarize the highlights because probably I get a chance to read it um maybe if there are accidents in your hood put it down anyway you can give us anyway it says that I'll just read a little bit of it he says the studies throughout the country show benefit to blending rap with surface gravel the greatest benefit seen is dust suppression which was also a topic in the conversation last time as the residual oils in the wrap hold on to the fine particles and the surface aggregate um so that partially answers the other thing you asked me to research with this dust control um and then he makes some recommendations if you want to try and use rap mixed in with gravel he says for one thing you should have what he calls a sieve analysis done which I guess he gets tells you what size particles you have and there's a state testing facility that will do it for an amount of being like 100 bucks or something just in the second one I think and I'll do it for you and then he makes some recommendations about you know maximum particle size and how much wet percentage of the rap should be mixed in with gravel to make it the most useful what what percentage is it um it says if the 200 particle size exceeds 50 percent I'm sorry 15 percent of the overall weight of the virgin aggregate in other words the gravel basic gravel it will still likely be dusty conditions because this is too much for any aggregate to perform well so it's if it's a particle size to 200 or larger I guess and if it's more than 15 percent of the overall weight of the gravel then that's too much um and says many of the studies have done that have been done aggregate blend of 50 50 percent rap to 50 percent gravel with calcium chloride applied also seems to be the best but he recommends so and nothing less than 20 to 30 percent and then they're also said that the best results are realized when the material was blended in a puddle rather than blending it on the road when you're putting it down so I guess it gets all mixed in an advance of taking it up in a big bowl a puddle and John can tell you that a pug ball is because I don't really it's some kind of grinder I guess it's kind of a grinder I believe and you would have to run your process material back through it to mix it you'd be taking something that was already crushed down and running it back through I I don't think it would be cost effective to do it that way if you were crushing a raw material then yes but it's not a we don't have a raw material I already had the three quarter gravel so I think bucking bucket mixing it when we load it in a truck is probably the best answer you can still break it apart right now you can still get a bucket load out of it it's it's sitting there it's it's hard again correct well you would mix it with the bucket loader okay a bucket of this and a bucket of that kind of like making a cake a scoop of this and a scoop of that excuse me I don't even know what do you say um miller um miller excuse me oh do you do okay thank you never heard of the last item is just for what it's worth with this noise but he says compaction is always essential so you need to have a roller that you pull behind you'll be all sorted to really pack it down so maybe it's not something you do now maybe something you consider in the future or not we've got a question back there yes it sounds from what Joan is talking about that this is more using it as a surface material and the discussion was that this prior had been used as a subsurface correct so as part of this whole discussion that should be included seems that the subsurface is creating a problem if using it as a surface works then it's a different thing than we were talking about at the last meeting but it did cure the problem of mud yes yes I think a lot of people would just assume have a little bit of dust on their way home they'll be able to well I think you're here last week no I saw it but you saw you saw how they were this may cure the dust of the surface if it's used as a surface right this is also an issue of just we had a pile of this stuff sitting around it should be not partially answering both of those questions but not fully okay thank you for digging into that okay it's fun um the other question was about the possibility of reducing the speed limit on bingo and you asked me to find out what that would entail or how do you know legally reduce the speed and also a better backroads came to the rescue on that one as well um I read the orange book first and it was not very helpful and it was really not meant for you know a road like this as opposed to some more ribbon setting so um but the one thing that was confirmed is that it does need to be a town ordinance if you want to change it right and what you have to do is it's not the orange book calls for an engineering study but in this case that's way more than what's needed and what is suggested or pretty much required is that we ask Rita at uh two rivers to do what's called the traffic study for us basically to go out and set those counter traffic counters up and reverse some prescribed period of time figure out how much traffic there is and I guess the typical speed is and then based on that data they make a recommendation on whether the speed should be the same as it is reduced or whatever so um I'd like to know whether you'd like me to ask Rita to put that on her to do items don't know how soon she would be able to do it but she could do that I I can find out if there's a fee or if they just do it yeah I'm just gonna ask that if there's a fee if it's okay yeah I don't think that's okay yeah the only thing is like this is prime time for for traffic out there so to have it out there sooner would be later because if it goes out in December it'll be a couple of vehicles or hunting it's possible she will not be able to do it this fall um I was going to say what time because it's so much busy sure it's unlikely that she's going to be able to do it that clearly um so it might be something that's something that you can't yeah I don't I don't think there's anything I didn't find anything that says you can't put up a sign that said you know caution you know pedestrian on the road slow down but you know you can't do something that will require in order to do something temporarily can't pull me to town people put signs up in their yards all the time I'm asking people to slow down kids at play that's what I know so far can you ask her when she when she can do that traffic yeah and then we put that to us I just wanted you to say last thing is I'm sorry Dan because we have this map of the village designation area and each of the buildings within the town the village center have to be classified according to whether they're just residential combination of residential and multi-use or strictly commercial and they have the information from one this was done last time but it needs to be updated and current data checked I can't really do that or I can't do it by myself since most of the stuff I don't know and they're very anxious to get this stuff back right away because there's some uh segueing between um this this application and the municipal planning grant one has to be sort of far enough along one of the other ones to be boosted have an iron you know get more points when they submit the municipal plan grant so the fellow who's doing this with me at the river since we're anxious to be able to put this map up towards the end of this week so did you have a list of the the buildings there they're all here did I send something out to you and to Dan asking you know whether they could either one of you work with me or somehow I mean Joanne and I could do some of this but someone like at the planning from the planning commission really needs to look at this and say yeah it's all it's all good so yeah so yeah we're doing it who should I hold it in your hands we'll come see you no no give it to Joanne just work on it a little bit just a little longer and then we can just compare at the end that's on the third compare with well either we'll call Dan in but everybody should look at it too and say yes yeah we don't want to show it off yeah yeah okay so just so you know I have a question for you Joanne many years ago there was a talent center was designated as such and it's not what you're working on now it's a new application for the same thing but there are things that are changing sorry is it going to be a change and I don't know I've been involved in it it lapsed and now we have to reapply it lapsed it lapsed you know it there's a five there's a five year period that is designated for and for whatever reasons it the renewal didn't meet certain time frame it was because two rivers required the town plan to be updated first right there are new require or we could submit and they could not complete the completion of the new town plan in time for the deadline for when this town center designation expired so they said don't worry about it a little extra work to file a new application but that's what you have to do I thought I'd have to be done every number of years yes it gets renewed every five years the extent of the term now it's a little longer I understand it yeah and it's all on state highway not all but no I realize that's inside the town center state highway goes through the middle of it but it separates them from the highway it's more the designation of the economic area but it's very important to have it designated I did not know that it will expire and that we all was are not in a town center no it did we're just out of sticks now what else do you know and it's like they expanded now yeah it is slightly expanded we walked it and adjusted the reality of what is happening in the town center so when you said it's expanded how far each way not very far but it's not very far but it didn't it go it did go further north because of the fire department and the parking ride that extended it and it extended down to Peabody and Drive to accommodate the commercial activity now in the renovated freight house and it goes as far south as the school I think about there yeah the school the school and the medical center I think that's where it ends this one so um it's a still bridge to bridge sorry it's a town center is it still bridge to bridge out of 100 no basically no no it doesn't feel not quite no it's soft it's quiet Kennedy yeah Bob Kennedy yeah all right thank you Joe so we'll um we'll work on that that brings here from the library the constables um Cooter you got any um updates questions all I really got is I old Dave an apology you did have a driveway permit co-work permit that I had not found other than that that's about all I've got we were about ready to get our new truck well I wasn't gonna say anything until we till there's still time that something could go wrong well I have a question on highways and also I'm so glad that the town crew has opened up a cat basin uh at the outside the corner of school street and whatever it is practice week maybe or Mountain View around and so forth but meanwhile those cars are not going to be permanent I assume and I I don't mind anything but I'm sure they're going to put a grate over that uh excavated gift some kind of a grate that you may have to pick up every five years to clean well the cones are temporary well yeah and so forth I see I love that that is working and by the same token if I put a grate there I'm gonna catch stuff you mean like beaver's going up street no and so forth but uh you know I'm talking about great I've got a great over your ditch which is a fine job over the whole day well the outlet of that culvert I mean it's obvious from the erosion that pipe's working now and that pipe is still not clean no I'm not surprised you have a fire coming off the grass that is the erosion the pipe is still it'll come eventually but we have to dig on it every few days every other time it rains or something but yeah I guess we could probably put something there I have to give that a thought I have one more question on the highway and that is the ripples that apparently the grater is is constructing and the ripples being cross road not not the washboard I know washboard I've always lived on it however the ripples is something that the grater is creating and it goes back many years to our old grater and now the new grater is doing the same thing and somebody like you that knows a lot about services uh off the look at these ripples on the flat not on a hill on a flat I know about the hills in the washboard but I think we've had this that's custom before gooder is there a uh uh a mow mowboard problem it's a new grater remember and or is it an air pressure problem or going too fast there's three things the ripples and I think it's none of the above oh what does make him I think it's the the road is so hard it makes the mowboard it makes the whole greater chatter when you're putting your cut in I understand I'll show you ripples something I know what you're talking about you don't know I sat in the greater end felt a shake man when you're digging you're trying to put 14 feet of mowboard down into the ground and the ground is trying to push it out and that's exactly what's happening and it gets to chattering yeah well this happened before you could or I understand by the same token there's some way of grading down and getting those ripples out not re-creating them that way if you're looking at with the teeth on it yeah a skyfire motorcycle a skyfire blade I'm looking at a skyfire blades and that may do that I know it will but it's also expensive very expensive I know that so I have to figure out where that money yeah yeah see one is I walk and two is I drive a pickup and I can see and feel ripples in both those instances I can see him too I sure you do if you drive the road you will I understand thank you if you grade in the water content of the road the moisture content is optimum you don't have that problem that's right yeah we can't grade all our roads in those two days a year you say that's all you're greater no there's only about two days a year where your moisture content I understand that that is correct and we can't only grade so many miles a road a day I understand however the roads haven't been graded for years as you know they've been scuffed over and this is a proud of a scuffing issue I believe it's not a grading issue and so if you you know the difference don't dig up there you just make a small window all it anyway I mean that to have this discussion we're both just making a list of the places that need that and you know trying to concentrate on those when the conditions are optimum what's that again the places that Marib's talking about make the list of them and try and hit those on the you know when the conditions are optimum instead of trying to do the whole road just go do you know do the shitty ones that's not a bad idea just take two days and run around and do those and then come back and try and do the best you can in the time you got before it gets so dry that you can't do anything and you end up with what you got when you're running around with a grader running around places with a blade in here you're not doing it wasn't a problem before you're going to fall further behind if you don't do a road road by road well it wasn't a problem before I've seen that grader come in for lunch past well moving right along yep let's do that the other thing is thank you for doing some shoulder work it's a lot more to be done one step to the bottom right on the right back to the bottom so I believe that the mowing is started seems I saw a bunch of equipment not behind mics and it's not in the yard anymore so you know that we have a contract to hit all the town roads yeah so I believe that's very beginning yeah that's a good thing I've got this piece of equipment that you need here how much is it I think that blade is gonna be around ten thousand dollars with a blade in the extra bits so is that something that gets put to consideration for the budget then well it definitely would be something to add to the conversations this winter when I mean now we're moving into the budget we figured out last winter and we're using that through this winter so I kind of got it in my mind that to wait until the end of the physical year and see where we stand and maybe we can find that somewhere in the budget it's gonna depend a lot on the winner there's somebody else had a question about good no good really all right so Terry we kind of talked a lot about the water and sewer with the septic system but is there anything else that you want to add to that that's pretty much um oh yeah oh yeah wait a minute you do have something you came back so the process for not getting uh roadside mowing is just put up some flagging because I really don't want all that shit that comes in with roadside mowing on my property anyway I pull that crap every year put up some some flagging okay right at the beginning of my property right at the end of it I will tell them okay I'll flag it stop the mic and let him know what that flag means or I'll take care of my brother now we my favorite question I just said a question about roadside mowing as well am I correct that our town crew does that amount of road all the way up to the top or is it no because it's a state I thought it's a state road right the town crew doesn't do it we were hiring out the private contracts and will that be done yes it's it's the starting the process now okay well that's what I thought you meant well that's fine I just wonder that that's the road I drive every game so I'm noticing that so a month ago or so we you put in the paper kindly a request for people that had um problem spots that they not needed mowing or spots that they didn't want mowing did we get many responses from back no no Mark came in and talked about it probably wouldn't hurt you so yeah I got a couple things one is pretty much unfused now cooter I thank you for that and another one is we got water coming in in one of my driveways that he managed up in great hawk I know it's being the town is inheriting the problem I understand that I can see where the problems go but nonetheless it's coming off the town road and washing out one of my customers driveways and it just started probably I don't know let's say a month ago and it's right at the top of sparrow hawk it's coming down off the upper sparrow hawk road and it's coming down the town road and coming across and washing out one of my driveways that's going to have to be fixed now which so coming off the upper sparrow hawk it's a private road yeah that's right I know if you're inheriting the water I get it yeah but nonetheless it's coming off the town road that is town road which is washing out one of my driveways and it has to be fixed now before winter because it's coming right across and it's something to know yeah it hasn't been doing itself so I'm not sure if it's where the gradient up there or what I don't know but I'd like to it's going to stop because if we get a good downpour it's going to take that driveway right out are you know you were to stop I haven't looked at it I think we can go up and ditch around the corner and try to catch the water coming off from the upper sparrow hawk it's fairly new so I you know the new one uh I'm not going to make any guarantees I mean I'm going to make an effort right I looked at it this weekend you see the drive web document yeah yeah uh patty mentioned it to me the other day yeah it's a good rain it's that drive we've done I'm just not going to make any guarantees right before or after the cul-de-sac before the cul-de-sac I'm below the cul-de-sac huh I'm below the well yeah okay okay but the walk problem starts above well that's that's the figure that is the kind of cul-de-sac yeah and so far well I think if I go right at the edge of the pavement and start my ditch or end my ditch and up there I think it'll catch a lot of the water coming off that road but I don't know I don't know for sure unfortunately if you go up upper sparrow hawk so the water is not getting to the ditch it's coming right down the road and so therefore it's not getting to the town yeah because it's coming down the road so I haven't brought it to I mean because it's not it's because I mean I got the town issue I think I'm not below that yeah so you know I'm a hundred guys below that the town water is like say it's unfair for the town to have problem like that because the water is coming down the road it's been there for a while this is new problem this is a new problem something different I know as the water is running in front of their their driveways up there it's not getting to the ditch so but that's you know private sorry okay so put it across before the cold effect does that take that water and dump it down the road I suppose it would want to be a big one help it it's more big than 18 oh yeah oh no stop it's water so there's houses all down the side of that road you don't want to aim that little care yeah yeah then you'd want to see where it's going from there you're right yeah yeah all right um I think we've covered it we're gonna pay some bills and thank y'all for coming out what I haven't heard anything else I do have uh if you want to um inquire you know we have the contact for the the um the lawyer that's brought the suit if you want to ask him you know if you want to come up I can give you that no I'm not asking you well that's what I got I got the intuition I don't have any other I don't think it's too much to ask a question of getting the answer you got an answer yeah I was thought I'd be generous and give you a little more information but if you don't want it that's fine yeah thank you just need an offer then that's all that's it I said no okay great thank you can you advertise for about third hour personnel we haven't advertised for it we're doing yourself a favor of it on it yeah we've dealt with it every year so do it snows are going to be here before we know yeah yeah a lot of other ads from other towns talk there right now and I saw recently um I think he's on cx they were talking about how lack of applicants and various job openings and one of which was that kind of thing but statewide so I think he's yeah no it is definitely