 We're good, Darren. Whoa, get lined up in 2018. Oh, never mind. I got it. We're playing back through the stream. I just picked it up. Yeah, we're good, Darren. No, I know. I was like, we're good, we're good. Never mind. Everything's muted now. Did you send Darren the topics? Yes, he did. Okay, sounds good. Nice. Here we go. One more time. This is mine. This is cold. Oh, shoot. I'm gonna grab one. Okay. Hey, Darren. How's it going, my boy? It's going. It is definitely going. Yeah. All ready. Are we ready? Are we set? Let's get it done. So, are you recording, Darren? I am now. I am recording. Testing, testing, testing, testing. Okay, recording. Three, two, one. I didn't even clap. No, you didn't. Three, two, one. All right, good enough. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm gonna actually bring the topics that I sent, Darren. Otherwise, I'm gonna do like a topic rundown. I'll just pull it off my top of my head. All right. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Nintendo Prime Podcast, episode 57. Today, it is just the regular podcast crew in Mr. Darren Har. How's it going? And, as always, this sexy beast over here, Mr. Eric Moore. Okay, right. I gotta find a new way to introduce you every week. Okay. Every week. Nate, what is up with you tonight, bro? What do you mean what's up with me tonight? I don't know the way you're talking. It's been a long week. Yeah. And it's gonna probably be an even longer week and a longer weekend. It's life. I don't know. I'm just not feeling the greatest. I haven't been in a good mindset, I think, since the smash cast. Smash cast. You guys have viscerated me. Yeah. He's still trying to pick himself up off the mat. By the way, if you haven't heard the smash cast, please go and take a listen. We'll put a link to it down in the description. Normally, we don't link to like a prior episode directly in the description. You can just go to the playlist. However, the smash cast was literally published the same day we're recording the new podcast because we had some delays and getting audio files and blah, blah, blah. But whatever, it's up now. Go check it out. It featured OJ from Player Essence and she says best known for this week, we really only have three topics. It's going to be a shorter podcast. We came off two ultra long weeks. Probably three, because I think the week before was two and a half. So we went two and a half, three, and then we had two hours last week, which was only a little bit off target. Probably would have actually hit our target if she says would have been there right away. Oh well. He actually watches a lot of our video comments on a lot. Nice. Good on him. So, the topics we have for this week, the first one is about E3. Yeah. We're finally folks. People have been asking us to talk about E3 for a while. Nintendo finally gave us a reason to talk about E3. So we're going to talk about E3. And that deals specifically with hosting a Splatoon 2 in Smash Bros. Yeah, I saw that earlier. So we'll kind of lead that into probably some other talks about E3. Aren't I going to get too crazy yet? Because we will have an E3 special eventually. Probably a betting special. Because we do bets, it is what it is. And in the major events. And it'll be interesting because we'll be at it at the event. So it'll be fun. Especially anybody that knows about our betting special. And then they've pointed us and laughed. Yeah, right. Anyways, the second topic is about the Switch eShop. Nintendo this past week has been talking a lot about improving the Switch eShop. So we're going to talk about that. And basically where we think the shortcomings are and how we think it can get better from our perspective. Because Nintendo really never gave us an idea of what they mean by it's going to get better throughout the year. They explain clearly what are they think the shortcomings are. But they don't really... I guess clearly is the wrong word. We'll get into that when we talk about it. The other one, this topic is going to make Eric smile. Bandra, Kazooie and Smash? Yeah. Phil Spencer reminding us about that. And then kind of part of this topic as well is that Rare is allowing companies or is looking into having other companies potentially revive their old IP which would include Mahindra Kazooie. We presume, because that's an old IP that's not used anymore and maybe even and if there's any implications there if Microsoft would be willing to allow it to be a multi-platform release which would then mean Switch is back and... I have fun cutting that one out. Yeah, damn. I only get like three subscribers a day. Yeah. Why is it always one we're recording? I don't know. Why can't it be a Cha-ching? Cha-ching, one of our $10 Patreon backers just gave us $2,000. Yay! Alright, that's the podcast. Beyond that, that's really it. And then the last topic is kind of a free verse that I like talking about. I know there's one thing Darren really wanted to talk about today. It's such a big deal we could make the whole podcast about it, to be honest. But I haven't done enough research on it so Darren's actually looked at a particular rumor list way more than I have. Oh, I thought you were talking about his internet. Make a whole podcast on his internet. Yeah, what that was about if you didn't know, I have crappy internet and my area is getting fiber by the end of this year. So it's a pretty big deal for me. Yeah, big deal for him and big deal for the podcast as well because that means you might finally, folks, eventually see Darren's face. I don't know if his face will appear during the livestream portion or if we'll just add it in post. Either way, it's going to be added. That's all it really matters. Plus, there's... I've been rolling this around on my head as we're starting to wrap up. A little bit of an announcement. It'll be announced probably before you guys hear this podcast but again, the more avenues I can get this out there, the better because not everyone follows every single avenue possible. We have kind of been working hard behind the scenes sort of behind the scenes. It's public but no one knows about it. I'm revamping the website. This is news to me. I did not know that. So basically over the past weekend I spent... I don't know how many hours. I basically used the entire weekend. There was one... I found out about my mother going to the hospital and I needed to distract myself with something and regular video content just wasn't doing it for me. Maybe because I had to look at myself. I don't know. Something about looking at myself and trying to put on a fake smile just doesn't do it. I was revamping the website because basically what happened when we registered for E3 when I went to register for E3 and we both did is that we got rejected as media. We didn't apply as a YouTube channel because our YouTube channel is nowhere near their requirements. 100,000 subscribers 50,000 views per video. I thought it was 55. No, it's 50,000 views per video on average. 100,000 subscribers. Most people that have 100,000 subscribers are not averaging 50,000 views a video. So you really need like 300,000 plus to even hit the requirements. We're not anywhere near that. We might never get to 300,000. I know I joked earlier about my goal of hitting 100,000 this year. Let's just get to 33,000. We're kind of stuck right now because I'm not doing giveaways for a little bit. At least not until after E3 and people are just not subscribing as much anymore which isn't a shocker. So, let's just worry about growing from where we are now before we worry about that but we're going to be years, many years away before we get to that. So, we were like well, is there any other way we could apply as media? Because in the past when we went to E3 and any time I sent anyone to E3 when I worked with a Zeldin former you went as a website. So we didn't know what the requirements were because when I applied to Zeldin former back in the day they didn't say anything to me, they just said one second, you have to take a drink? Yeah. Fighting back a little cold here. I should have took my cold medicine. It's literally just sitting over there in a prescription bottle. Prescription cold medicine does the body good. So, we applied through the website because we've had this website for the only requirements is that the website's been updated throughout the past six months which I mean... The only publicly stated... It's been updated just like regularly but it's been updated almost once a week at least. So you imagine we don't have a lot of traffic there. So we applied through that because the website's been up for a couple of years and it got rejected but we only got rejected not based on the quality of content not based on anything other than the fact that we did not have the viewership requirements. Viewership requirements were 10,000 uniques per month. Per ticket. Yeah, for one person to go. So for Eric and I to both go we need 20,000 uniques. Here's the funny thing about that. We have a Facebook page with like 63,000 followers or whatever. It's by far our largest following anywhere. It's kind of lingering over for my Zeldin former days and I experimented at the website over the span of a few days and we can easily blow by 20,000 uniques in a month just advertising news posts on Facebook. So, at that point I decided to revive the website. Eric and I have been posting on it but I hated the way the website looked. It looked very old school very amateurish and if I'm stepping up the quality of our videos here you know professional mics camera etc for our podcast and for everything else I do I don't want people to come find news at a subpar website that isn't up to date with 2018. So, spent the whole weekend got that done, updated it Eric went in and did some fine tuning adjustments to it just because I just wasn't feeling up to it and the fine tune adjustments it's just a visual thing but it makes such a huge difference at least to me it makes a big difference. You guys are just going to go and enjoy. You guys don't need to worry about it. I wish we would have taken a before and after picture. It exists, it's called Internet Archives and anyone who even cares no one's going to care about us but the thing is and what I want to point out about all of this is that our website kind of sorta is going to matter moving forward I haven't picked an exact day like I'm still throwing up a few posts but there's going to be a day probably before this podcast goes public that we will be officially posting 10 plus posts a day every day Darren knows how hard that is he's been there, that's what we did it's all informed back in the day but yeah we're basically turning nintendoprime.net into what it always was intended to be when it was founded which is a nintendo news website it's also going to have all of our videos so our podcast and everything else can get posted there so it's really like the one stop shop for anything you want from nintendoprime will be nintendoprime.net all the news that we don't cover on youtube because there's a bunch of news we don't even in my prime news segments that covers 5-6 stories a day well if I'm doing 10 plus news posts a day there's obviously some stories, especially in indie titles that we're not covering on the youtube channel so there's that stuff and then yeah and the website overall by the way it's like massive in terms of presentation everything from us quoting people to how videos are presented the website is organized everything has changed to be easier to find and maybe that's why we should probably lead off well you know what but just go check it out if you care about that kind of stuff you're going to see it tweeted on twitter as well and on facebook and probably a couple mentions in the community section and I might do an announcement video on its own when I feel like we've hit a flow alright let's start telling people that we have all this Nintendo news before we even make videos on it over here but yeah that's kind of exciting and I actually kind of want to use that because I think we're going to skip to topic 2 first because talk about improvements on usability accessibility, finding content and that's exactly what Nintendo wants to do with the eShop on switch they have come out and stated that the Nintendo eShop is on switch specifically now that there's a lot more content there they have said that they feel there's an issue finding content now I'm not exactly sure what they mean by that they don't really detail it behind that other than they're going to be working on improving the eShop over the course of the rest of this year to improve visibility or whatever so my question is because I was just on the eShop just earlier this week I got a game overcooked and obviously if you're looking for a specific game it's never that hard because you can just go to search and search for it but it's all about discoverability and finding the games you don't know that you want getting games out there is something that any digital shop is going to struggle with when you have a ton of content Steam struggles with it with the thousands of games that come out of there and I'm going to start on Steam and I kept thinking I was using the eShop and I'm sitting on my Nintendo release of stuff I'm looking through the eShop I don't really know what they can do they've got recently they've got upcoming they've got best sellers they've got sales and they don't have any prioritization in any of it so it's not AAA games showing up ahead of indie games it's literally whatever your game is based on when it was released that's the order recent release shows you can go search by genre by genre and stuff like that I'm kind of sitting there and I'm like you want to improve the discoverability and I understand that because if you go through recently you go through best selling and then you go through upcoming or whatever but recently in best selling a lot of it's pretty similar obviously there's things in best selling that aren't on recently minecraft, overcooked, blah blah blah but a lot of the stuff that's like in the top 6 most recent is usually in the top 20 best sellers so I kept thinking I don't know what Nintendo can really do I'm out of ideas basically on how they can improve the eShop experience because I already feel like I really don't know how either because I I mean I don't feel shortchanged when I visit the eShop I buy physical whenever I can but I mean whenever I go to the eShop it's just I'm curious about the best sellers or there's a specific digital only game like Cluster Truck which I recently started playing that I have heard about previously I haven't discovered it on the eShop I mean yeah I've looked through the eShop on the best sellers list recent releases just to browse around but I really don't know what else I would want to look up different games because I mean it seems like everything's already right there I mean recent releases bam right there I'm not sure is there a way to search by genre or no I think when you go to search you can sort by genre somewhere in there you can sort by genre maybe it's not the search maybe it's when you go to recently added and then you get to the bottom and it says view all games I think once you go in there sort by genre so maybe instead of burying genre so deep into the structure maybe bring that up a little bit further maybe recently released that's the default page recently released and then at the top you have a tab situation not ever the favor of tabs but this actually works in this case where one of the tabs is a drop down menu where you select recent release by genre and then you get the latest 20 games that release in a specific genre enjoy one thing I do think they can do and this is all going to depend on how they track the data is a recommended this is something that Netflix and Hulu and every major streaming platform that isn't about video games does they have recommended and a lot of people discover new shows, new movies through recommended so I don't know how they can do this because they have to be collecting the data in the right way already to do it and maybe they are maybe they're tracking what genre of games you have purchased on your account maybe they're tracking I'm always even curious when you watch when you watch say house of cards on Netflix not only it knows what genre it knows a lot more than just the genre to what it's suggesting to you it's not just suggesting the entire genre of house of cards and TV series it's suggesting to you specific aspects inside that genre that are similar like it'll be political based and then it'll be dark and then it'll be you know dark humor it finds all these subgenres and I don't think the eShop has even though I can argue there's just as many subgenres in games but we just don't use them it's an RPG it's an adventure game it's an action adventure game that's about as detailed as we get I have never seen anything we talk, here's a popular one here's like a subgenre of RPG JRPGs Western RPGs we use that in the media but I don't actually see any back end shop one say this is a JRPG this is a Western RPG JRPGs so what are you snickering about I just happen to think of the times where the recommendation is not quite correct that's going to be a fault in any recommendations I just remember the one time I don't remember who was Netflix it was on it was because you watched ants they recommended Humid Xenopede yeah no no no no it was because of ants it's because Yulia watches a bunch of horror movies so the figure you like bugs you like horror movies here's a bug horror movie oh ok but the title it said because you watched ants I know but it's never based on it's never based on just the one thing you got unless it's the first time you've used Netflix it's never just based on that and what happened is I was under Yulia's account with her kids instead of going to the kids account if you ever look at her account it's straight horror movies there will be nothing recommended to you but horror movies so oh you watched ants once we're not going to recommend another animated we're giving you a horror movie that's related to ants in some way Humid Xenopede I can see on the outside when you actually know the background behind it but still oh my god for those who know Humid Xenopede it's not a proper horror movie it is a really gross horror movie I don't even really know if it's a person appropriate movie anyways it's not that I've seen it it's one it's not very good but the thing is Yulia likes bad horror movies some people are into that kind of stuff I like good horror movies like Jack Frost's meet and killers snowman it's fantastic but here's the thing I like stupid comedies you win some you lose some um Darren is there anything you think they could do to improve the e-shop um I like I said I really don't I don't feel shortchanged when I visit the e-shop I mean I don't even use it that much so I mean for other people yeah probably I mean all of what you said DLC DLC yeah you gotta go for the shop for that but I mean for what I use it for not really you know one way they could this is just a usability thing one way they can improve the e-shop from a DLC perspective because a lot of the games you play will have a subsection inside the game menu for DLC to go by it and I understand that you're gonna purchase that through the e-shop but I feel like it should just be an overlay that loads the e-shop because what it does is it minimizes the game and then loads the e-shop like you went to the home yeah right that's something that that's just from a usability perspective that like okay you shouldn't have to do that other systems have it where it's just like a an overlay and you can just you know hit B and you're out of it right away rather than going you know because like here I think you purchase it and then sometimes it doesn't even take you back to the game you have to go back to the home menu then back into the game and by then if you're playing a game that has got an online connection it might be like oh you disconnected and blah blah really I was just online buying your DLC there's that another thing this is a more of a system-wide thing as well and we've noticed it it doesn't download games or DLC while you're playing a game yeah every other platform in the world downloads while you're playing a game the only time it shouldn't is if you're playing an online game that I understand limited bandwidth even if your internet can handle it it's just limited bandwidth between the Wi-Fi card and stuff so I understand that but like when I'm playing Super Mario Odyssey go right ahead and download what I just purchased in fact I expected to be there two hours from now when I'm done playing Odyssey that's why I went to play Odyssey is because I was waiting for it to download yeah that is another thing but again these are usability improvements these aren't necessarily visibility improvements so like beyond recommended which that might be a bit that's a huge addition on its own I think for one of the bigger improvements just by genre thing would be best selling best selling by genre would be fantastic just adding genre to any category they already have so they already have a best selling category so let people sort it by genre because then you're not going to be seeing the overall things you're going to be seeing like a specific category that you might like more than others you don't care if like let's say a fighting game is in the top selling you might not like fighting games I'm not saying they're bad, I'm not saying they're good but you might not like it so you might want to go find your RPG or whatever ideally might not be on the this is how it should be done in an ideal world when you're going to start adding ways to organize content by what people want to find having as many options as possible and this could be something like 3D versus 3D I know that's not exactly 100% what if it's a 2.5D game or whatever but the point is I hate even saying this sorting by indie and triple A or whatever because then how do you determine triple A well I guess Nintendo is telling us that's a triple A game but like finding giving all these checkbox like an advanced search type of thing there's no advanced way to search like that so like if you could give all those options that also is like now you're letting the user do it another thing and this is also with customizing is being able to customize how the eShop loads up for us say we always wanted to load up with the best seller list so let us have it auto select the best seller list right away instead of giving us the recently released and Nintendo might be like well then we can't control it it doesn't matter let the user control it like personally I would probably have the recommended appear first maybe they could reorganize the entire first page that shows up to be more like Netflix where you have your recently bought games I don't know why you'd want that but maybe it just reminds you what you've already bought then you've got your recommended based on what you've bought and then you have the next rows recently released and instead of scrolling down with like 20 games for one thing have it scroll left to right and have 20 games listed that way for multiple categories that appear right away on page one I think basically what I think is organization wise Netflix has already shown the way so has Hulu, like they basically both do it the same way I know they both also have like the giant ads at the top advertising their own stuff when they release it and I understand Nintendo could do that I don't think they are going to because while that increases visibility it's just increasing visibility of their games and then you're only increasing visibility of games that you pick out rather than letting everyone have a fair shot so I could see them doing that for like their own games for like a 3 second thing or a 5 second ad just like when it first loads up having like a Super Mario Odyssey type thing and then just having it fade away into the to us, we don't mind because we're Nintendo fans but people who bought Switch would play indie games and be like you're wasting my time getting out of my way I want to get messed up but that's also why I said like a 3 to 5 second ad which is terrible it's just like on YouTube for a user experience no ads and the thing is like on YouTube users are generally okay with ads or if they're not they get YouTube red because they understand that the content can't exist unless there's money whereas these ads aren't existing for money purposes, they're just there to try to make people buy more Nintendo games it's showing bias to Nintendo games which you expect but then again Nintendo games don't need that extra advertising like I said that would be one way I could see them doing it and being slightly okay with it would be just like a 3 second ad that just kind of pops up and then all of a sudden just goes away I don't think they need to do that because I think when Nintendo talks about increasing visibility they're not even talking about their own games they're listening to complaints from indie brands and AAA companies so they gotta think of ways that increase visibility for those games Nintendo titles look at the best selling they don't even know the titles look at the best selling they dominate the best selling charts they don't need help with their games so that's really the only thing I could think of that recommended and then the extra options of sorting my genre and and advance search type of thing beyond that I'm glad Nintendo's being vocal about this to be honest, we think our eShop is subpar so we're gonna fix that the eShop itself, I don't even think anything is that bad this isn't even something that I thought they really need to improve on that but this also means they're not they didn't get this from consumers they got this from other companies they're like, hey look, yes our indie games sold well but maybe it would have sold better if people could find it after day one so another thing that they could do no people don't like hearing this the home menu is kind of barren that's the spot on the home menu that's just like latest from the eShop so you don't even have to go to the eShop to see some of the latest games that came out, like the top five latest games like a little scroll thing and I understand some people aren't gonna like that they don't like ads, they hate it on PlayStation they hate it on Xbox, I get it but it's effective and it's all about increasing visibility and that's a way to do it without if you can make people like Darren who doesn't go to the eShop very often without him having to go to the eShop more likely to open that eShop up and actually look cool on the ad for me, that type of ad it doesn't affect anything as long as it doesn't get in the way of you doing anything that you want it should not take up a game slot don't do that, even though it's not that bad to skip past the game slot, don't do that it should either be above or probably below so it's easier for your eyes to avoid it if you don't want to see it I'm by default, but then oh, I want to turn it off they're using an Android kind of based on let us customize things a little bit why can't we theme yet, Nintendo? that is the one nice thing about we could theme on 3DS why can't we theme on Switch? just saying, it's not that hard I guarantee you that this operating system we're using supports custom theming, they're just not allowing it maybe you're afraid of what people will do but you know what is their system let them do what they want Nintendo doesn't like that so I guess we'll hop back to what topic one was going to be if we don't get to the last topic oh well, sorry so Nintendo is hosting a Smash Bros and Smash Bros. for Switch, by the way so yes, it's going to be playable at E3 confirmed we kind of figured that, but playable in a huge way Smash Bros. for Switch invitation on E3 and Splatoon 2 so Splatoon 2 is actually more like a World Championship the World Championship, yep, that's what they called it they just announced it all as an invitation but it's really the invitation role is Smash, and there is like an invite thing to the World Championships because all the play-in tournaments are pre-selected teams how they selected these teams, they've never let anybody know they've done this before so it's like, how do you know these are the best Splatoon teams out there, you don't give us any background on how you determine that these were the ones worthy of competing where they came from, how they got to where they are but then again, you know, for all we know they are going to the pro, the esports leagues the few Splatoon leagues that exist in the given countries, and they are taking the champions of various tournaments, for all we know because Nintendo has been more actively involved in paying like event costs and stuff like that for hosting events so that being said what's really cool about the Splatoon one is in particular there is an open invite so there is the tournaments for the pre-selected teams where the top one team, I think whoever wins that tournament from each country gets to come, I think there is three countries right now and they are working on I think they said there will be future updates for Australia and like three other countries so they are trying to get it so I think it's like six or seven international teams and then there is an open worldwide open that anyone can enter, it's happening entirely online, you form a team of four people and it's like on the 31st I don't even know, it might even be this month for all I know I got to double check the date and yeah, you go online at whatever time when they release more details on it, with your four friends and you compete in a massive tournament and if you win it, you are invited to compete you and your four people are invited to compete at E3 which I'm just like that's how we get into E3 Eric and I that's two of the teammates, the only problem is that means we need two of the best between two players in the world to carry us the only problem is, you're better when drunk so that's fine you're better when buzzed my water bottle is just going to be bottle okay got it, because I was going to say be happy about you pounding booze no, it'll just be vodka or I'll have orange juice with tequila there you go, orange tequila it's okay if it's mixed I can't have it on its own okay seriously, if it's mixed I'm fine if any alcohol that I hate is mixed I'm fine because it dilutes it it's the pure taste I can't handle not that I enjoy it either way but although in Margaritas if it's like my fourth one, I'm feeling pretty good you don't even notice by that no, you still taste a little but funny how it tastes better more and more of them you have yeah right anyways so that's the thing that's happening the Splatoon 2 guys the Smash one trying to remember exactly how that one works there is something going on like a preliminary on the 11th and 12th to get into the stuff happening on the 12th through the 14th and it's happening in LA we'll be there technically if it's an open invite thing we potentially could go and try to compete in it probably not going to just saying that it's an option that's out there I'll at least find out where the venue is and maybe we could stop out at it thanks for the footage maybe, it could be behind scenes for all we know I have no idea but the Smash 5 tournament which a lot of professional Smash players and just Smash fans in general are going to want to try to get in on it if they can and we'll be there at E3 seeing the stuff, the tournament happening because of anything like it was last year the tournament literally happens right there inside the booth so like you could sit there and watch the tournament or you can play games or do whatever or do both so it's going to be kind of cool to see that again, Nintendo pushing eSports right there at E3 with their games like this is the second year in a row I think for Splatoon 2 or maybe the third year in a row like Splatoon 2 is just going strong man obviously Smash and we'll see Smash make its appearance again next year because obviously with Splatoon 2 coming out last year and still having a tournament this year then it could happen again and again and again plus Nintendo does the Nintendo World Championships now so who knows when we're going to have another one of those I don't know if we're going to have one this year they might go every other year though hitting it next year and then all these games come back man the Nintendo World Championships I so wish they would have kept it going when I was a kid I mean I know I could still compete at this age but I was a lot more into these competitive games than I was a kid than I am today my reflexes were also a hell of a better fit it's not even my reflexes like factually if you're younger your eye-hand coordination is supposed to be slightly better but it's not even that there's people my age and above that are massively amazing I have a father now I just don't have the time to get that good so just stopping there are you guys happy these tournaments are happening again because they do take up massive segments of what people at home see so instead of showing footage of new games you're seeing Splatoon 2 and just Smash for like large hours of time go ahead Darren what was that it wasn't even paying attention you want to repeat the question so is it good that these tournaments are back at E3 and I'm talking about for the at home audience specifically because since Nintendo started doing these tournaments they take up massive chunks of time on over a three day slate of Nintendo Treehouse's streaming time and like as an example a huge chunk of that time is going to be taken up by Splatoon 2 versus showing a new game I mean on one hand yeah because these sort of events I mean people like them it draws more attention to you know the eSports world but it seems to me like this is not going to affect Nintendo announcing games at all because let's be honest they have a set amount of games they're going to announce and they're going to fill up the rest of the time with let's play these games and have these tournaments so I really don't care I think it's good I'll probably watch some of it especially the Smash tournaments but Splatoon 2 as well I mean I don't think it's a bad thing to be honest with you yeah my thing is I don't think it's bad on the whole it's going to be happening each day over three days it usually takes up like the final hour or the final two hours and the reason that I even say this is because why I just a little bit concerned because I keep thinking back to when we went to E3 they didn't have any tournaments that you don't believe and it was it was just Zelda and repeated a lot of their gameplay and repeated things and I know that might have tired some people out but what people forget about these live stream things is that people especially during E3 they have jobs, they have lives they're not there watching what they showed at 11am to noon people who weren't able to watch that would love to see it live again six hours later they're going basically they did let's be honest breast of the wild was well I don't know that's what they did then but now that you had these tournaments and they don't do that there's less time to repeat content meaning that you get done with work at five go home, rush home because you want to see what's happening on the treehouse stream and oh it's a tournament you missed everything and the chances of that person being like I'm going to go back and watch five hours for the live stream stuff to find something I'm interested in is slim to none so that's my concern is that people who aren't taking E3 off and watching it the whole time might be like well I missed everything the tournaments during the day and then the game announcements and gameplay at night but they don't do that that's not what they do and I think one reason they end with the tournament is because it also takes up a lot of space in the booth and they're trying to maximize the booth throughout the day so it's really hard to run that tournament right in the middle of people trying to play demos for me if they could actually multi stream give you an option oh they're not going to do that I don't know why you won they'd have to have multiple channels there's no way built into twitch and youtube for you to select one stream or another you'd have multiple channels to do it and now it's just split in a big way they'd have to build up an entire second youtube channel an entire second twitch channel to do it just for E3 I could see them building up a treehouse channel okay let me give you something here Nintendo does a really crappy job at social media they're following on youtube twitch and everywhere else it's kind of pathetic for how many fans they have so them they even fathom them trying to build up a second place just to offer an alternative stream at E3 I'm just saying that is an option I'm not saying that they're going to do it it's a bad option no it's a fantastic option they just won't do it that's a bad option the option that they should do is just don't live stream don't live stream the event the tournament have the tournament happen and have all your commentary and then after cause what it is there's limited hours on the show floor it opens at 9 and I think their treehouse stuff starts right away at 9 or starts at 11 I can't remember one of the two and then it runs until 7pm when the show floor is done that's fine when the show floor is done they're done but then from 7 to 9 it's a replay of the tournament so everyone at home who has no idea what's happening even they might be on forums and out who won or whatever but they didn't get to see any of it well get to watch the tournament if they want to and get to watch it right away when the E3 stuff is done that's what I would do now some might argue that it's not live and you miss the live reactions but they're not really reading the chat and stuff during the stuff anyways so that's not as relevant it can still be a community event cause you know between 7 and 9 they're live streaming the pre-recorded tournament and then after the show floor closes yeah you have people spoiling it in the chat with the chats moving so fast whatever I understand there's pitfalls to even that idea but I just think that the content at E3 itself is more important than the tournaments the only other thing I can think of too and I don't know how you would do this but after the show floor closes then host the tournament but they could do that I think the issue there is just because you have to try to contain people to that one section well here's the thing it's not even just containing people you have to do it past when the show floor opens you need E3's security team to be willing to stay later you have to be willing to even hire your own security in addition to the E3 security you have to not only just contain the tournament how many fans are you going to let them to watch it because part of what makes it such a cool experience live is there's a giant whole bunch of people watching so while they can do that and again they've hosted tournaments at other venues before so it's not like this isn't possible the thing is that E3 it's not just their venue so like there's a lot of stuff they got to say not that Nintendo can't afford to do it but I don't think that they would feel it's worth the money to do it and I think they like they like that b-roll footage they love that oh between matches they can pan out to all of E3 they're walking around and you can't do that if the floor's dead there's no one there everyone knows the show floor is closed but hey look at this footage everyone walking around the show floor as if it's open it's live but it's not live a lot of you guys are listening I love watching the tournaments live and I agree I really enjoy it but I'm also the person well one this year I'll be there from when it starts until when it's done and that's not even the only live stream I'm watching I've got the IGN stream up I've got the GameSpot one up I've got Easy Allies up Easy Allies doesn't do a live stream during the event they do it after but I have all these different live streams up because if you know anything about E3 it's not the tree else isn't the only stream that matters for Nintendo fans it shouldn't be anyways because Shigeru Miyamoto Ijinomo I hear in interviews and things showing off their games on IGN in other places that you know because they have their own audiences that are watching their streams and not watching the tree house stream and sometimes you get new information new footage sometimes there's even times IGN especially will get like an exclusive look at a level that they're not even going to be showing on tree house so you gotta watch all this it's weird you know when you watch my my E3 setup there's one screen with like seven different live streams going on and I'm switching between which one's audio is muted to see what's going on and sometimes the tree house stream just ends up muted most of the time because I'm like okay they're showing off Splatoon 2 again alright done like this game came out last year now yeah the Octoling DLC that's a huge deal and I'll listen to the new stuff on that but like sometimes the tree house stuff gets a little repetitive you can cut that stuff up and then they can't the repetitive nature is intentional because you don't know when people are tuning in so for me personally obviously I'm fine with the way it is I'm thinking of more just the people that aren't going to go back and re-watch 5 hours of footage time stamps they'll watch the digital event that's a separate thing they always upload that separately anyways so I'm not worried about that but I don't know that's just me besides that we're not going to dive too deep into desires but what we're just going to go around the panel here and go one big thing we want to see happen at E3 for Nintendo we're not even going to discuss it just tell me what it is and I guess I'll go first since I put you guys in the spot well I kind of mentioned hopes and desires and the thing with yeah the one big thing I want to see we already know Smashers there we already know those invitations the one big thing I want to see happen is Aegeanomo appeared in that Nintendo digital event and announced a 2D top down it's all the game for Switch brand new that'd be interesting I mean I'd love for it to be a 3D but I'm trying to be a little more realistic it's also a 2D one and you know what I'll even pair a Skyward Sword HD and I'll spend a lot of it 2D top down as in 2D top down or also not 2D it's basically 2D crap it's a top down Zelda game whether or not it's a sprite or whether or not it's a 2.5D look the camera literally changes the view so it's not 2D like I will show you videos yeah you're talking about when it merges into the wall the only reason in Triforce Heroes you're literally going to a third person view looking at your, at Link's back same engine when do you do that in Triforce Heroes when you fight the Ice Boss I do not remember ever looking at Link's back besides what you normally see in his back I will link you the video okay I beat Triforce Heroes so and all the DLC content I do not remember that at all I mean I remember people hated playing with others online because people like to be digs throw people off the lift that was the most fun game with friends I enjoyed my online anyways I'll look at that footage later but yeah what I mean is a top down Zelda game like in you know we can argue about 2D or 2.5D all we want a link between worlds minus the merging mechanic is literally a link to the past it doesn't matter if it's 2.5D or 2D with sprites it's the same difference gameplay wise it's not going too far in depth we kinda went no no we didn't Aaron and I have had this on the Zelenforber podcast for like 45 minutes before it's an old debate it's an old debate over what counts as 2.5D what's 2D is 2.5D even a thing or is that just something we're making up because we can't explain it otherwise it's not 3D but it doesn't we call it awkward enough time 3D and then you look at it between worlds and you go it's not the same thing but it's not 2D that's why there's the whole and they screw that up and make a full 3D tactical RPG top-down Zelda game or something crazy now I'm getting this some fans right there alright Darren give me one big thing you want to happen at E3 for Nintendo that we don't already know game reveal Animal Crossing in the vein of the original GameCube New Leaf City Folk a mainline normal Animal Crossing game that's good got it I'm not saying New Leaf isn't good I absolutely love New Leaf I'm just saying I hope it doesn't suck right one big thing I know it's not going to happen Pokemon how do you know it's not going to happen the only way they've never announced or shown off a Pokemon game for its first time ever the only reason why I don't just because of Smash being there Smash is not even close to the biggest Pokemon yeah I know not even in the same conversation it just feels like there's a ton of big games already there so it's just the way I feel besides Smash what's the other big game there I don't know it's funny the argument is they can't show a Pokemon because of Smash but that's it there is nothing else they need something like Pokemon it will be very disappointing unless they hit us with Animal Crossing or something every other IP they hit us with fine they hit us with Metroid Prime 4 or 5 but Pokemon they announced it a year ago we've got to see it right even if it's just confirming whether it's a reboot or not I don't think they'll do that without showing it right eventually we're going to get concept you'd hope concept art something who's that Pokemon I don't have a freaking clue because it's number 895 so what is the big thing you want to see since you didn't think Pokemon was going to be there I love to see Pokemon that's what I want to happen all the things we talked about yours is like 85% chance it's happening it might get announced and available but we will see Pokemon 83 I guarantee it it's coming out this fiscal year it will come out before the end of this fiscal year they need it they absolutely need it Smash alone is not going to carry sales so Nate wants a link across islands no Animal Crossing no actually Nate do you even know what I'm referencing what you're referencing we just had this conversation yesterday we did looking at the time we had a few minutes left it's a third topic quick Phil Spencer reminded the world that he still wants Banjo-Kazooie and Smash Bros he's been advocating it for a long time and obviously with the recent announcement of Smash for Switch a fan asked him do you still want it to happen some people talked about how maybe why it hasn't happened is licensing fees at this point I don't think because they make nothing right now off of Banjo-Kazooie I don't think licensing fees are really a barrier I'm pretty sure Microsoft would just be happy for the advertising because it would help sell more rare replays on Xbox my thought process isn't that Banjo-Kazooie has never been added to Smash because of licensing fees and needing to get it from Microsoft hasn't been added because Sakurai has never once put in a character third party-wise that has been anything that is outside Japan he's never done it I don't know if he has any interest in never doing it that's why when some people are like oh a crash included a crash was made in the west so don't count on it until he does it I have no reason to believe he's going to this is me I don't want him to I would love to see Crash Bandicoot in Smash I would love to see Banjo-Kazooie in Smash I'm sure the people behind those games would love to see it happen but Sakurai he's kind of biased to Japan holy cow I knew that one was coming too am I alive? I think so another interesting concept I watched a video from Mason of Delphino last night and he was showing a concept of a character that somebody had made up it was a Nintendo Labo it was a Nintendo Labo guy carrying around a Joy-Con I could see them you want to answer that? I didn't even get a phone call it's done it ended she did call me I don't know time out hello I was literally holding my phone and looking at it and nothing happened it charged again I'm going to sort of close my account Jesus Christ okay hun well I'm in the middle of a podcast recording I'll give you the $9 back relax I did I went in canceled your card put my card on so I don't know I've done this before too and it charges I'm just going to close the account I'm in the middle of recording hun I already know what it is I didn't lie okay you know what hun you can think whatever you want I never lied about it no I don't and it's really sad that you think that bye okay back to the podcast Nintendo I actually think Nintendo Labo they they put duck hunt in there they put game and watch I mean I know those are more video game ish than labo but it was actually kind of a cool concept they can put labo ice climbers in there come on I think ice climbers is coming back for sure right obviously like sacchar I said the only reason it didn't happen is because of 3DS they're coming back ice climbers is not a concern of mine because they will be there labo that is kind of interesting if they actually brought in because I know it's weird but you think like there's a robot version it's like you think of if you could do transformations like you're down being a piece of transformation and do a different labo with different abilities it was like a little cardboard guy carrying around a joy con a red joy con and then he'd throw the joy con and then his down be or his smash, his down smash was him turning into I think the piano and then smashing down it was actually pretty cool oh yeah yeah yeah fun little concept so getting back to banjo kazooie yes so you changed the topic about banjo kazooie it was surprising to me partially like entirely but yeah it's so what's really interesting about that setting aside the fact that this is really up to Sakurai is that Rare has now come out and their CEO has publicly stated that they are looking or considering outside companies to revive their old IP we assume we don't know because that's all they said that that would include banjo kazooie that would include maybe even perfect dark that would include conquer all these franchises they don't use anymore that come from pre connect days let's say and maybe it's because they know they're going to be focusing on a sea of thieves for a while maybe they know they're just going to be making new IPs or whatever the case would be they probably don't think after nuts and bolts that they really have the capability to make those games in the spirit of what they used to be so my question is, and I see a lot of Nintendo sites pick this up which I thought was interesting because it's not really Nintendo news on the surface Rare is owned by Microsoft so just like Nintendo looking for outside companies to make some of their games whatever outside company they get is likely just making the game for Xbox so I don't know why this is even news on Nintendo websites but I think it's because us Nintendo fans are looking for any excuse any hope then not only can we see Banjo-Kazooie and Conker and Perfect Dark and stuff up here on up here on that stuff what we need is them to allow a third party studio to make the games and become a multi-platform and if that's the case then Switch comes back into the equation now I don't know how interesting Microsoft isn't that I think Microsoft these days is more open to the idea of their games appearing on other platforms than they used to be now I don't know if that's because they're going to concede the Xbox is going to fall away as like a standalone system or if they're just conceding to the fact that we make more money or the games that we make the most money from are the games that are on multiple platforms like a Minecraft so it could be like look we know there's a huge Nintendo audience for Banjo-Kazooie look at all the platformers that sell like crazy on there let's let's get someone to make it and also bring it to Switch and Xbox and everything I mean obviously my pipe dream at this point is that Retro Studios is allowed to make a Banjo-Kazooie because they're basically the new Rare but especially what they do with Donkey Kong like if they can make a Donkey Kong Country game let's see what else they can do with other rare made games but maybe that's why we haven't heard from them maybe they already are the bosses of making a Banjo-Kazooie and they can't they literally can't talk about it because it's a dual rights thing Nintendo Studio but Microsoft owned rights aww there it is and like it might be a timed exclusive on Switch but it's going to be multi-plat or like it'll be it'll come out on Xbox and Switch at the same time but the retail version is exclusive to Switch for like a few months let's start it now you heard it here first Prime Roamers my dad's uncle who works at Microsoft and then my sister's cousin which we're all family this is my cousin one of my cousin works at Retro they corroborated these reports these things that is made up in my head well I mean they're literally in my head speaking to me right now yeah yeah so you guys have any thoughts on because I think even us talking about it I think it's a huge stretch for us to even contemplate that Microsoft is considering going third party with Rare and their IPs like multi-plat I think that's insane I think again I understand why Nintendo sites are reporting on this I think all three of us can agree that we would love any semblance of old Rare games back in any way even if it's not on Switch we wanted to have it but I mean do you guys agree with me that this seems like a bit just the idea that we as Nintendo fans are talking about what's probably Xbox exclusive games like any sort of hope it's coming to Switch like is this even ridiculous that this is even a thing that's happening I think any excuse to talk about this is great but it's like we're really we're Nintendo Prime not Xbox Prime yeah but I mean my boy Crash is coming to Switch so yeah but Crash was already technically owned by a third party studio it wasn't owned by a first party so it was just exclusive well that happens it's like Bayonetta 3 and 2 are on Nintendo platforms but Nintendo doesn't own Bayonetta for me it it is a stretch but it's one that is there to be thought about just because of the fact that Phil said Banjo-Kazooie being in Smash but that's old news I was even talking about it but he's been saying that for 10 years and all he said was yes it's not like he went deep into it someone just asked him do you still want him to smash yes and that's what all the news is based on yes obviously he likes Nintendo and wants him to smash what company doesn't want their mascot characters in Smash it is free advertising that's why when people talk about oh licensing fees I'm sorry I'm telling you right now that most studios are knocking at the door to give Nintendo the right to the character to pay Nintendo to put their characters in the game they would wave those licensing fees as an example I highly doubt Nintendo paid a licensing fee to have Snake appear in the game or Cloud Guarantee Square Enix and Konami knocked on their damn door and said hey if you're looking for extra characters to smash you can have these right or if Nintendo approached them they're like oh yeah because it is free it is free advertising it's advertising in a weird way of course I always felt like when Cloud was included in Smash it's like oh cool so Final Fantasy 7 is coming to Switch or coming to Wii U at the time right because Final Fantasy 7 HD remaster or whatever just got announced obviously if you're advertising Cloud Nintendo platform through Smash and we view it as advertising some people say oh it's just a cool iconic character I get that but still it's like but it could be an advertising situation it should be right exactly it would be a great way to announce a game or even announce a port the Cloud at the time Final Fantasy 7 was already known so a port but at the same breath at this point anyone who wants Final Fantasy 7 remastered it they're still waiting Kingdom Hearts 3 was announced ages ago people are still waiting when was Half-Life 3 announced was I 10? I don't know I was 12 or 13 when Half-Life 3 was announced I'm 31 going on 32 still not here so it's one of those things where I think we're just getting our hopes up what do you think Darren? I mean the fact that he's talking about this right now who's talking about it? Phil Spencer but he's not he just replied to a fan he's very active on twitter like that he always replies to fans well the fact he's talking he replied to someone but he does that all the time why is it any different I'd love it it kind of makes me feel like that deal hasn't been reached yet you know what I mean and I feel like Smash is basically done so at the moment at the least I guess he'd be a DLC character so maybe yeah I don't know I think it's a big thing yeah I think it's a we want this to happen that's why it's such a big thing there's so many people out there that want this the reason I forget the Phil Spencer comment I understand because a lot of fans like like in any poll he's like the top write-in for character that people want cause if it's not one of the options the poll it should be but so I understand what Seth's reporting but the reporting on Rare looking for outside studios to bring back classic franchises yeah Rare is holding on by Xbox this is news for Xbox owners why are we as Nintendo fans even having a conversation about Banjo-Kazooie and Konker coming back when they're not probably coming back to Switch at all we have no hint or suggestion or anything I think it's a tie-in a very very loose tie-in to the idea of hopefully Banjo-Kazooie being in Smash I think the only hope we have the one hope we have for anything Banjo-Kazooie or Konker related is that they decide to allow Rare replay to come out on Switch since so many of the games on there are old games that came out on SNES 64 Gamecube or if not that when Nintendo launches their VC they let the SNES and 64 Gamecube specific versions of those games come out so no you won't on Switch get the upgraded Xbox Konker game but you'll get the N64 version which would make air cap which to me is the superior version but it's just one of those things the same Banjo-Kazooie it's just one of those things where these franchises are so beloved by Nintendo fans that I think a lot of us just feel like Microsoft because they're not using the IPs they don't really have the audience for those IPs anymore they never really did in the first place so this is that sliver of hope where we can pipe dream this is our wheelhouse hey Nintendo raise your hand but like Nintendo ain't making no Banjo-Kazooie they ain't making no Konker without buying the franchises and they're not going to buy the franchises Microsoft ain't going to sell them not unless they're going to sell Rare and they're not going to sell Rare even though the Metacritic for see if they're looking so hot right now and I'm not even trying to, I haven't played the game I think it looks absolutely phenomenal from what I've seen but I also wonder when I saw the Metacritic bombing I saw some complaints and I'm like so it's an MMO none of these reviewers have ever played an MMO yeah I'm just curious like when I see some fans like oh well when you're this one fan that was complaining about it on reset era I was like oh well the game sucks until the endgame and they don't want you getting to the endgame for a few weeks I'm like a few weeks and MMOs I don't remember getting like when an MMO first launches usually it takes a few months to get to the endgame and you're complaining it's going to take a few weeks yeah right uh do you know what the purpose of an MMO is? then I know I'm not trying to defend Sea of Thieves, I haven't played it it's just one of those things where I kept thinking Sea of Thieves is coming especially with game passes coming out to a lot of people that haven't experienced what MMOs are really like and they're realizing we don't really like this and that's okay not to like it but like if you come from playing World of Warcraft or EverQuest back in the day or any MMO like you'll know that yeah there's moments in MMOs that are kind of grindy and not kind of fun and then there's those moments where you're just blown away and I've already seen enough moments just watching people live should be like dude that is amazing that is probably some of the best water benefits the visuals on that water that's like that has to they should win some sort of award just for that water yeah right? it's official and there is no game that has better water in Sea of Thieves holy crap and it's almost a stark contrast because you got like this more cartoony art style and then all of a sudden here's this ultra super realistic like I don't even care what get that HD World MMO I gotta slap you for saying that and nothing to do with visual fidelity pixel card is all it has to do with get sat down on your mouth man I hate when people do that it's a misconception a lot of gamers use anyways ranting the first thing anyways I think that's gonna do it for this podcast I'm gonna allow Darren just because we're not gonna report on this because we have no confirmation on anything what was the one thing you wanted to talk about the one thing I wanted to um well I'll give you a little 10 minute window here okay there is a rumor keep in mind this is unconfirmed kind of shaky probably not true at all but just reading this game list made me want this to be true in every way possible so let me bring this up real quick Nate and I talked about it for a while on messenger yesterday a little background where I was looking it up this is a supposed leaked list of every single game coming to switch over the next two years it's supposedly data mind like there's a supposedly a master list somewhere on a Nintendo server on switch it so I have no idea I've never heard of a master list like this ever existing for any platform in the history of anything and if it does exist it needs to be just to pick out a couple just to pick out a couple interesting games from this list Yoshi's cardboard flip out Pokemon chemical and Pokemon nuclear interesting Octopath Traveler spelled T-R-A-V-L-E-R not sure if that's the fault of the person who compiled this list or what Bloodstained Rich Living Night Kingdom Hearts 3 Kingdom Hearts 3 oh boy uh let's see let's see let's see Wargroove Bayonetta 3 obviously there's a lot of known games on here and then there's some games that haven't been announced the reason this list has even come to our attention at all is not just because like we saw it let's play video games or whatever I think that's where we initially saw it but because after the latest direct or the latest Nindy event this list has apparently existed for a month or so here's the thing I can't confirm it this is what let's play video games told us told the poor boy oh this has been out for like a month or so on reddit we can't actually find it on reddit don't know if the post has been deleted we tried to we tried to ask them you know because all they've given us is this link to imager now imager is like the image system that reddit uses but imager doesn't link back to reddit threads so you have to find the original reddit thread we couldn't find it so we have this imager thing but what is known is the image itself did exist on imager before the Nindy thing and there was games from the Nindy like the exact names mentioned in this document that got announced that Nindy's is coming to switch that we didn't know about and if this and if this is as old as let's play video games said it predates the last Nintendo Direct which also had new game announces that were also in this list so this is why we were even looking at this list at all and why we haven't reported on it is again we can't find any reliable information or sourcing for it so it's like I can't I can't make a news report on this like what am I supposed to tell you so some guy compiled 200 games and got looking and if I repeat anything you just said over the last 20 seconds it's because you cut out and I couldn't hear anything you said well it doesn't matter get into so okay I mean a couple more games on this list things 3 Spyro the dragon treasure trilogy Shadow of the Tomb Raider is on here which would be nice Diablo 3 what are some of the funny name ones that you're like okay this is the little one there's a lot of junk on here but there's a lot of oh good monster hunter world I know a lot of people wanted that that would be a huge part that would be massive in Japan holy crap what was the name of the Zelda game again that had on there you mentioned it earlier in the podcast link between islands or something it was a a link between it was a link to no it was something something with islands that's all I know well first of all Watch Dogs 3 Division 2 first of all Spirit Tracks HD I did say that I know I was like why would they have Spirit Tracks HD and a link across islands a link across islands Super Smash Bros. Royale and here's the thing within months we'll know if any of this is right if they have the Royale name right and they nailed the Pokemon name needless to say we're going to be talking a lot more about the rest of this list because those are huge games to get right at this point that no one's even talking about let me just point out that those are pretty epic names for the Pokemon games here's the thing this is why the people view those names as red flags the nuclear or whatever because the fan game Pokemon Uranium it's a fan game so it sounds a lot like the fan game which means it sounds like something a fan would just make up right or it sounds like Nintendo which close to one Metroid game and gen 4 remakes was on that list but here's the thing that's kind of sort of believable because they do remake the older gen of Pokemon games there's a lot of believable stuff on here and then there's a lot of stuff that would be crazy there's a lot of stuff that's already gotten right and that's why we're talking about it but there's hundreds of games on this thing so we can't go through all of it maybe we will one day if more and more we're keeping our eye on if it starts getting to the point where the bigger games on this are getting nailed not just the indie titles but like they nailed the title of Smash they nailed this and that like that's at the point where like okay this might actually be a legit leak I don't know how I don't know why still doesn't make any sense to me that there's some master document somewhere for the next two years of Switch especially since a lot of these games are third party games yeah but whatever yeah who am I to deny the truth when it stares me in the face right now we're just mentioning it exists I'll throw a link down in the description if you want to go check out the image there's an image that basically has most of the games listed it does note on there that the list will be updated over time which you might say is fishy it can also be like well if they are data mining they're going to wait in as new things get added they're going to update the list so there's a lot of different ways to analyze that wait in is closed we'll have a copy of the original image here so like if the list gets updated and like suddenly it's the day of E3 and oh look now the Smash name magically changes the correct one the day of E3 when we know what the correct name is it'll be like okay here's one thing that I just found on this list the day this I showed this list to you Nate it had let's play video games reported on this 10 hours before I shared into you and later that day Arc Survival Evolved was announced for Switch and that game is on this list so I guess we can say that this has been on this list for sure before it was officially announced sure but again like some of these games like the indie games whatever you can basically throw any indie game on there and assume it's coming but even Arc Survival Evolved it was known there was a phone version in the works so any AAA game that's got a phone version like Fortnite, PUBG of course can be tossed on a list for Switch because it's a tablet but anyways we'll keep an eye on this again to me it's if the Nintendo stuff gets nailed any of it any of the big name Nintendo stuff gets hit alright because all this stuff is not going to get unveiled at E3 so we'll actually probably have a whole segment on it it might not even be a podcast thing we'll probably do an actual discussion we've known about this stuff, we sat on it because we didn't believe it now we do, so let's go through what we haven't talked about yet and just get hyped or or get disappointed that games aren't on the list no Banjo-Kazooie so I'd burst that bubble if this list is true and of course remember if this list does become true if you guys go look at it that this is the next two years this isn't going to be everything as is noted the guy was going to keep updating it because there's always new games new decisions being made and blah blah blah obviously the big thing people are going to dig in there for is Nintendo games because Nintendo obviously has that road mapped out hey can you do me a favor DARREN before we decide how does it have the name of the new Fire Emblem game on there ah yes hold on it is Fire Emblem Mutiny the thing is that's a believable name yeah it is compared to prior names of Fire Emblem games so we'll see what happens guys but we somehow snuck in a way to at least mention this thing exists and we'll do a bigger discussion on it if and when any of this is proven true obviously day by day more and more of the list seems to be coming true but we got to wait for that major Nintendo one to hit and then we're like alright just hope we don't have to wait till you three yeah alright does it uh I was going to ask if it had Labo Garage on there but I don't even know if that's a separate release normal Labo at this point alright folks well thanks for tuning in to the Nintendo Prime Pocket episode 57 a little bit of a short one this week as we wanted as we intended let me know if you like these shorter sweeter ones I know we mix it up when we have more guests on it's usually going to go a little longer but sometimes it's nice to have short suite good way to start off your week I don't want to thank Darren again for coming in reminder that eventually he might be on a video maybe he says specialties real quick next week's guest oh yeah yeah go ahead Nintendo is coming on which I've been in discussions with him before and he's delightful to talk with so if you don't know who he is check him out I use on Twitter as Nintendo does he still make YouTube videos too? I believe he does he makes YouTube videos and he works with Go Nintendo and a lot of other websites yeah he works with a lot of Nintendo websites posting stuff like getting information for them I only know of him because of his work at Go Nintendo but I've seen him pop up on other sites too he has a YouTube channel where he's usually posting sometimes quick snippets from things like directs or whatever I don't know I've never actually talked to him I talked to Kevin the guy who owns Go Nintendo before but that'll be interesting to have him on I'm gonna have some questions for him as well as we're running a competing website yeah I won't die too deep in that I'll probably ask him how he got started because I'm always curious I know how I got started how did other people get into this crap when I got started because I started him this is very true so I know Eric got started I started him it's also something I usually ask our YouTube guests as well like hey how did you get started on YouTube why do you want to do this I always think it's a cool conversation to get multiple perspectives on how people got into the industry because there are no two stories are usually the same so that'll be fun I've known about this guy for a long time it's gonna be kind of cool finally having him on not for next week but a cast and eventually getting Liam Robertson I think we were looking at he said he would love to be on a podcast in the future he's busy for the next few weeks but he said he would definitely like to join because he loves podcasting and would you want to explain to our viewers who that guy is Liam Robertson is what a lot of people would call an industry insider he has leaked numerous pieces of Nintendo news months before they've been announced or rumored through other outlets or people so he has connections and he has opinions which we love here so yep I don't know him that well I've had that follow him on Twitter for his rumors nice that's pretty much it I think he actually worked in an outlet that I knew but now I can't draw him I think he's gotta listen to his Twitter profile I'm drawing a blank now but whatever you know what I will look that up right now yeah I remember some outlet we used to cover when we were in Zelman form we go to for news or something yeah he I have a horrible memory but I know I mean a lot of people that I follow on Twitter work at a host of different Nintendo places but he freelances at did you know gaming okay yeah I knew that on the scene 64 yeah comic book and Nintendo life Nintendo life that's the one I was thinking of because I knew he has his own YouTube channel so check that out I knew he did some freelance work at did you know gaming because I usually found the original gaming stuff through him did you know gaming what's wrong with you right from all of the images that get shared around the internet uncredited to that's why they do videos now and the videos are amazing amazing videos yeah did you know gaming is quality yeah like it is one of the best video game things that exist on the internet good stuff I don't always agree with the people that work on it in terms of their personal opinions on things but their fact based research is just top notch alright well that's going to do it for the podcast thank you guys so much for tuning in you can check out Darren on Twitter at realdern and hopefully eventually in person with a beautiful face right here on the podcast at Nintendo Prime you can follow Eric at emo8790 nail it just because I tweeted it today and you can also follow us at nintyprime or my personal atnatejance I actually did post on my atnatejance when this week put up pictures of my kids at the water park yeah because for some reason people on the internet should see my kids yeah I don't know it was a fun time um that's going to do it I guess we'll catch you next week guys oh by the way before we sign out if you have any fan topics you can send them to Nathan at NintendoPrime.net the topic as fan topics and it's a high chance that they'll appear on a podcast similar to one like this week when we don't have a lot of heavy hitting stuff we're just whatever interest us in what we talked about yeah thanks for tuning in peace and we're out yeah buddy and