 That's the highest standard I've ever heard. If a friend invites you up to his place and cooked for you... If they cooked you a dog, would you eat the dog? Here's five euros, cut this chicken's head off, and turn them into chicken breasts for me. Full master of fry. Would you do it? You know what this is? This is a chicken industry in England. Most of it, 95% of the birds here are factory farmed in the UK. When you see a piece of chicken, you don't think of the animal, do you? No, they trick you. And you're kind, huh? Yeah, but I don't have time to cook vegetables. Wait, do you cook chicken? Yeah, but... How much time does it take to cook chicken? No, yeah, the fact is I cook every day for me, so we complete in the other side if I don't have the protein of the animal. So you don't know how to get protein? Yes. But you don't think this is good? No, obviously it is. So if you don't think it's good, wouldn't you try to find out if you can get protein from... Yeah, I think if I have much money and time, maybe... You don't need much, the same amount of time it takes you to cook right now, it would take the same amount of time to cook a vegan meal. Yeah, by the time... It's not the same amount of time. If you do it at burger of... Beans and all of that, you have tomato. No, you can get canned beans, canned chickpeas, you just open up the can and chuck them in. You can get a block of tofu, you just chop it up, fry it up, the same, put flavour on there. I eat them too, but... So does it take you more time to cook tofu than it does to cook chicken? No, it's the same time, but... Okay, then... Yeah, but the fact is like, I don't have the money to pay this... Is it too much? Expensive? In Spain, it's more expensive. Can you get vegan meat there? Yes, yes. But it's expensive. Are beans more expensive than chicken? In Spain, it's not more... How much do you think it costs for the animals? No. More than it costs for you? Yes, and it contaminates so much. It's cruelty. Yes. It's hard for you to maybe change a little bit. How hard is it for the chickens? This is the eggs. This is eggs. I could be worse. Free-range eggs here? Yes. They put 16,000 in the barn and they open up the barn every now and then to let them out. This is free-range? Yes. A friend worked in an industry of that and he told me stories. And I'm concerned, but the fact is expensive. I don't have time to cook. And maybe I go to a restaurant and I have noodles with chicken. Yes, I'm concerned, but in the center ways, I go... You have a bad habit, like everyone. No. Yeah, it's a habit. Yeah, but I think my nutrition is good. What's so nutritious about eating this? Eating dead animals? Dead animals? This is a dead animal that you eat? Yes, but I think the protein of the animals is good. Would you eat the protein of a dog? No, but... Wait, wait, wait. Is the same good? Yeah, but in other countries, the culture is... No, no, you. I mean, you. I want to know why you wouldn't. No, because I have a dog, I have pain. And is it bad to eat a dog? Because I have... I don't see the pain of the animals. Yeah, it's called a disconnect. So it happens behind closed doors. Yeah. So if you had the chicken here, and I gave you a knife, I said, kill this little chicken? No. No, because you need to, because of protein. What did you say? No, but if I am in Iceland, if you go to an island and you are there with no food, you... Survival, you mean? Yes. Yeah, but, you know, you're not surviving? No, yeah. You're not a survivor? Yeah, yeah, but... You're hunting, where's your hunting stick? I'm a survivor because I live alone in Granada studying and I'm a survivor because I don't have money to pay them. But vegetables, beans and rice and pasta and bread are the cheapest foods you can get? My meal, every day my meal is that, but I combine with protein, animals, but a little bit of protein. So... You mean their bodies? You put animals' bodies in your meal as well? So you can... Bodies? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's their body? What is it? It's a body of a little... What animals do you eat? Just chickens? Yes, chickens. Cows? We eat cows? Pigs. Pigs? Spain is big with pigs. You know how they kill pigs in Spain? Electric. Electric? Okay. And what do you think that's like for the pig? No, it's horrible. When they get their knife in their throat and the blood? But I eat pigs. You eat little birds? Birds. You know when the birds are killed, do you know how old they are? Four little. About four to six weeks? Yeah. Little babies. They live for years and years. And they grow up with water and... Yeah, because they grow their full size in a month or something. Yeah. And they put it in like... So much to eat to... Make them big and antibiotic? Make them big as well. It's sick, but maybe when I... It's not sick enough for you to stop eating though. You think it's sick, right? But you put it in your mouth. Like, okay, let me just... If I got this chewing gum off the ground and put it... You'd be like, no way. But you're eating like out of a... This slaughterhouse with blood and scared animals and they... They poo out there. My daily routine is like, study, go to uni, and go, no, no, no. And I don't have time and cash to play and do it. Do you know how many hours I work a day? It's selfish, but I have a lot of distractions, go to parties, meet people. And then when I go home, I'm so tired to think about where's my new menu. It's easy. It's much easier when you think of the animal. Yeah, yeah. Because you wouldn't eat people. You wouldn't eat a dog. You just wouldn't. You wouldn't care if you didn't have the time. You would make sure you didn't choose the dog at the supermarket. Even if it was like not eating dog was a little bit more expensive. You'd be like, maybe I won't buy that thing that I want and I don't want to eat the dog. Yeah. You know, that's a rule that you would have. It's not fair. The humans are omnivores. You think you're naturally like a violent animal? We are omnivores, but... Like a bear? There is a lot of damage with the animals. So if you're an omnivore, why do you have a problem with killing dogs and eating them? No, you have. If you are a survivor, you have to... What if I'm not trying to survive? If I'm an omnivore, right, why do you have a problem with harming animals? Because omnivores don't think like that. People in the room eat pig nose. Yeah, I'm just saying like a natural omnivore, like a bear, a bear or a dog, if they rip up an animal, they don't feel bad. But we feel bad, why? We don't have the claws, we don't have instinct. If you see a pigeon... I'm close with my dog and I see a dog. More friendly, maybe. But if you see a pigeon, right, a cat or an omnivore, animal, they're jumping on this pigeon. If you see a pigeon, you don't think, I'm going to rip their throat out, most omnivores, all omnivores and carnivores, they eat their animals, the blood's still pumping in their throat. They bite into their veins and they chew on their head and their skull and their cartilage and their bones. You go to the supermarket and you get a wrapped piece of animal already killed and you put it on a stove and you cook it. This isn't an omnivore. No, this isn't an omnivore, but... Do you think you'll be healthy without meat? Yes, but it's healthier too You have an ecological farm and you have your... You know how expensive that is? You said it's too expensive. No, no, no, no. It's much more expensive. So why don't you just be vegan? You just said that you won't be vegan because it's too expensive. But these ecological farms... If you have an ecological farm, you would eat the birds. No way. No? If you're happy, I don't want to kill you if you're happy. If I have birds, I'm going to help them and look after them. We have a culture, a very quiet culture. It's like killing cows. Bullfighting? Yes. Yeah, that's evil. Yes, that's why I'm so... You're against it? Yeah. You support something that's way worse. Because there's expectations and I don't like it. You don't like it? Yeah, I get what you mean, but if you're against bullfighting, you're against bullfighting. That's one animal being tortured and killed, right? No. When you eat chickens, how many chickens do you eat a year? That's a hundred animals tortured and killed. It's a lot more harm to individuals than bullfighting. It's complicated to me to cook that hybrid. It's really simple. Yeah. You making it complicated and making it in your mind, this is what I believe because I've been doing this for a long time. There's people who accept the reality and try to change, or there's people who don't want to accept it and want to hold on to a habit. Eating meat is something you've always done. You like the taste. You don't want to be inconvenienced. I don't like the taste so much. You don't like the taste of chicken? No. Then why do you eat it? I don't know because I don't have time to... Because it's easy for you. Think about it. It's easy for you. Wait, if you had resources, someone helping you? Yes. If I have a chef in my house... A chef? Hey. Julie. What do you want? Say you? I'm vegan, like, totally vegan. But I don't have time. You'll only go vegan and stop killing animals if you have a personal chef. Yes, it's selfish. That is your standard. It's selfish. It's selfish. That's the most... That's the highest standard I've ever heard. Yeah. But seriously, you cook your own food at home anyway and it doesn't take any longer to cook a meal without meat. Yeah, I know, but... So you just remove the meat, add some more beans, add some tofu, add some... Tofu's not expensive. Tofu's not. And you can crisp make... I hate when people don't put flavour on their tofu. You don't eat raw chicken. So just... You make it crispy, fry it with oil and put hoisin or soy sauce or something, make it really nice. It's the same amount of time. It's the same amount of time. You're angry, you're angry for being... Sorry? You're angry. I'm angry? Not angry. You don't have to be sorry to me. It makes you conserve me, but... Only for the chickens, I'm sad. Yeah. Only for the chickens. Because you and I, we can talk about... If we have a problem, we can talk about it. If someone hurts you, you can call the police. But no one's going to help the chickens. Yeah, I'm so... It's a vegan challenge. Yeah. I definitely understand your point, but... Human beings can only defend the animals. They can't defend themselves. So they're very innocent. A little chicken can't do anything if you hurt them. No. When you go to the supermarket and you go, I'm going to give you this money for this chicken, you have to think, make the connection. So cruel. You have to think, I would never do this to a chicken. Yeah. If you did this to a chicken right here, everyone would try to stop you. And they'd all be hypocrites because they all pay for it as well. But, I mean, like, in Spain, cool weather, I have so many barbecues. They like that social... I come from Australia. Barbecue is the biggest part of Australian culture. Yeah. I don't care. I will not... If it's dogs on the barbecue, I'm not eating it, you know? If a friend invites you to his place and cook for you, our family, and you... If they cooked you a dog, would you eat the dog? But social pressure, you know? You wouldn't eat the dog. You wouldn't eat the dog? No. Come on. You wouldn't eat the dog. I ate kangaroo. You ate a kangaroo? Yeah. I ate a crocodile. But if the kangaroo was here, and they're like, hey, what's up? You wouldn't stab them, got them and eat them. Yeah, because you don't have to do it. But with a fish, don't. Yeah. You wouldn't kill them yourself. No. So would you pay me to kill them? Yes. You would pay me to kill them? Do you know another person? Yeah, yeah. Like me right now, there's a chicken here. Let's call the chicken Charlie, the chicken. Charlie the chicken. And they're little blue eyes. Chickens have blue eyes. And they're just here, pecking around. Hey, hello. What's your name? Blanca. Blanca? Hello, Blanca. How are you? And you're like, you know what, nutrition, protein, it's too expensive. I can't be bothered thinking about it. I need a personal chef. Joey, can you pay his five, how much is chicken? Five euros. Cut this chicken's head off and turn them into chicken breasts for me, for my stir fry. Would you do it? I don't pay you. But you pay, this is what happens all the time, every time in the supermarket. That's how I think of it. Thanks for talking to me. Do the vegan challenge. Take care. Well, a personal chef is the standard now. I just didn't get that, like how it takes the same amount of time to cook a piece of tofu. The price argument I, you know, maybe you're going to be on burger and a beef burger, a cheap beef burger, maybe, yeah, beyond burger's going to be more expensive, but then there's so many cheap vegan foods that you're saving so much money anyway. That okay? I don't get it.