 So good afternoon folks just so you know what's going on. We have a little bit of a technical difficulties We'll probably be starting the council meeting around 415 So you'll be here for a couple minutes with us just smiling at you without any work actually happening Welcome to my teleconferencing Please enter a participant code then press pound. You are the only person on this conference Please stay on the line. All right folks. Welcome to the November 12th city council meetings Sorry for the delay. We have one council member who is absent and one who is trying to call in For the tonight's meeting as well right now that is not going so well But we'll see if we're able to get her on board over the next couple of minutes here Madam city clerk, do you want to call the roll? Let the record show that all council members are present with the exception of Mayor Schwedhelm and council member combs Here, but it's not through the It's not through this phone system that doesn't charge me All right council member. We're just getting started here. We'll try to keep you on the line the whole way through for For the public just so you know, we will be moving item 14.4 from tonight's agenda to next week's agenda That is the building code updates as prescribed by state law as a simple explanation We have to have four council members as a quorum who are present in the jurisdiction to be able to hear the item Two of the current council members who are sitting at the dais have to recuse themselves from that item So we will be hearing item 14.3, which is the reach codes which is a part of it But we will not be hearing the overall base codes at this time. We'll hear that next Tuesday No closed session items. No study sessions No proclamations Mr. McGlynn So staff briefing. Yes Fire recovery and rebuild update Dave Gwine introducing our sole item this evening Yes, hi council members if you recall from last week, we had invited a Representative from state housing and community development. This is Sue Naramore. She's a senior specialist in disaster recovery she's going to go through a very brief presentation on the community development block grant dash disaster recovery for owner occupants and Then there also has a frequently asked questions that were circulated to you today. So with that. Thank you, Sue Thank you. Good evening everyone So I won't go through all of the points. You'll see on the slides. I'll leave the slides for Publishing on the website later, but the we'll go through some of the important update points So the general update for the CDBG disaster recovery programs running through HCD to the 2017 disaster Jurisdictions that had 2017 disasters the important pieces for update right now are that we Received our fully executed grant agreement from HUD in August We have stood up a disaster recovery section in Sacramento Who will be administering the programs and the grants? We've got full seven full-time employees on and we actually will be adding more people with the 2018 money that are coming the we have executed a standard agreement with our consultants GCR in partnership with a couple other different consultants as well in order to assist us with program stand-up program administration staff augmentation in order to make sure that the programs run as seamlessly effortlessly and Compliantly as possible Additionally We've got a new grant system a grant management system eSivis I would encourage anybody in housing to Take some of the trainings that are happening that week on that new grant management system It will put everything online so that we can reduce the amount of paper going back and forth It should make application processes much easier We've stood up the owner ocular are standing up the owner occupied program software part of the requirement for HUD with this program Is that when an applicant? Submits a survey and or an application They've got to be able to see where they are in the process at any time So this is a portal-based system called eGrants that is Online and an easily accessible for most folks for people who cannot access it We actually can take their information over the phone and log them into the system and help them fill out surveys and applications By hand if necessary lastly for the survey we did launch it we could go Friday and Have 56 Tier will go into tiers in a minute, but it's 56 tier 5 applicants, and we've got I believe 5 tier 1 applicants. We'll talk about tiers in a second like I said The owner occupied program which we're here to discuss tonight is a gap financing program of up to $150,000 to assist in final reconstruction of or repair if needed of Disaster impacted homes to qualify for the the program the property must be owner occupied at the time of the disaster And it must have been the primary residence of that of that owner The applicants must be current on property taxes And it and obviously the property must have sustained damages as a result of the disaster the name disaster We'll switch to we'll go to in the FAQs. We'll talk about prioritization. That's what the tiering is for We'll explain that in a minute. However within that prioritization any family that That identifies as having a member that is disabled will rise to the top of whatever tier they qualify for The mandate of this funding is to assist first and foremost vulnerable populations, which generally means the low moderate income households We're talking people populations with disabilities populations that are elderly it is really a relief program at its base for For the vulnerable populations So we released the survey as I said we could go Friday We it is open to 2017 and 2018 disasters We are doing a data collection exercise on the 2018 disasters as we get out in front of doing their action plan here shortly the 2017 disaster survey enables us to really finalize program guidelines and program design Based on real-time data on the ground as of today And making sure that if there are things that that rise to the forefront such as a lot of Landlords with small rentals that need assistance and would ultimately be willing to have an affordability Covenant put on the property for a while if that is if that's a viable program then that is something that we definitely want to look for Additionally if it turns out we'll talk about again in a minute We'll talk about the overall benefit But if it turns out that the surveys and show that we just don't have enough LMI to be able to meet the 70% requirement we have to spend 70% of all the funding on the low mod vulnerable population beneficiaries Then there's a discussion about a waiver do do we for this grant for the state need a waiver in order to lower that amount? Just but we have to obviously prove that we have assisted all of the possibilities for the for low and moderate income beneficiaries as possible And again who we've talked about this who should complete the survey It's it is anybody who sustained in impact does that just destruction or impacts from the 2017 or 2018 fires Those fires would be the October fires In 2017 as we know the December wildfires and mud flows in Southern, California And then in for 2018 it would be the July and September wildfires and high winds in Lake and Shasta That was that was the devastating car fire As well as then of course the the campfire and two fires in Los Angeles and Ventura again You will it's probably not lost on anyone that everyone who has sustained a damage in 2018 Also sustained damage in 2017 same counties seems to be a pattern So this is the overall benefit piece that I was talking about earlier You'll see on the multi-family It's the third the second line down the multi-family amount allocation is is almost 67 million dollars That's 53 almost 54 percent of the grant and that's a hundred percent of the low mod benefit. So that's a hundred percent To of that funding so be 53 percent of the funding toward the total 70 percent We have to spend for low and moderate income benefit The second bullet up there shows you that in addition to that we've got to spend at least 20.1 million dollars or another 16.21 percent of the funding on low mod benefit in order to hit the 70 percent Lastly the overall benefit of the survey is again so that we can have real-time data From ground-truthing what we believe to be happening Understanding and being responsive to what's really going on on the ground And then ultimately as I said should the data show that 70 percent is not achievable Then we go back to the drawing table with HUD We have the data to drive the conversation with HUD in terms of asking for waivers if needed and And and we get to work on that request as soon as possible once the survey is completed Currently the survey the first round of survey this survey will be open until early January We are finalizing program design We don't have the owner occupied program completely designed yet because we need to see what the needs are what the income levels are Whether there's mostly people who need to fully rebuild or there's people who just need the gap to get completed those are those are two different scenarios and and And the survey will give us that information So this is just a contact slide for us if anyone needs to reach us This is how how you can reach us that is my direct phone number and my direct email up there Also full disclosure the disaster recovery email comes directly to me too. So I have been conversing with many of the disaster survivors Since the disaster and now going live with the survey we're helping people fill out surveys we've been on Like I said on the phone and on email with everybody helping people to to fulfill their Their survey needs and answer any questions that they might have All right, and with that then I would switch to the handout that council members all have This is the frequently asked questions. This incorporates questions We've been getting and are those available to the public up above There are some available to the public up above and I'm sure that we posted online We're going to post them on our on our website. They are hot off the press today Are there any specific questions or would you like to go through them? I'm happy to do whatever works best So council and I'll actually council member comms. Do you have any questions? Thank you for the report All right council member tippets. Yeah, thank you, mr. Vice mayor. I thank you for the presentation It's one question that I had is Actually, I have a few so it sounds like you you will be setting the income limits based on this survey We don't or is there currently an established limit for somebody could you share up on that? There's no established limit their HUD has defined Lomad Income definitions by census track with those are the definitions. We have to use they publish those and the survey asks General we don't get down to what people actually make it's really just a range and And so ultimately we can assist above 80% of area median income adjusted for family size. That's the definition of Lomad 80 percent and below, okay HUD understands that we are not sure how many people can really afford to own a home at 80 percent of AMI in California since it's such a high-cost state We know that there are some thankfully so we will be able to assist some but the question is whether or not we can really hit that Overall benefit number or or whether we need to really bring a special circumstance to HUD And what what are the types of assistance or benefits that people should expect? So ultimately we what we are assisting with is construction costs You'll see in the frequently asked questions it the what we can pay for really are Our standard building construction standard materials Other than on the interior than on the exterior it would be anything that is up to Wooey compliance so the wild land urban interface which is ignition resistant construction materials for the exteriors We can assist with that Anything that is required by code Angry building standards we then they can the the program can pay for okay If you don't hit the 70% threshold that you're looking for although I suspect in this community you will although 80% you're right is That's that's considered. I mean From all intents and purposes that's lower income around here. It is Adley But if you don't hit the 70% we look to increase do you have any ability to increase that threshold so With the 70% of LMI what we'd want to do is lower it so we'd want to be we'd want to be able to help more people of With more income as opposed to increasing the the low mod number We certainly have to ensure HUD's not going to entertain it unless we know and we've done the due diligence that That the vulnerable populations have been served and we're going to have to document how they've been served For the disaster survivors So that will be that will be a big piece of that but ultimately right now We can serve higher incomes as well There isn't a requirement that we only serve 80% we just have to make sure that they do get served first and then And that and that we are hit we are mindful of that overall benefit requirement and whether or not we can hit it It's sort of a juggling act to be completely honest with you right now Sure, and one question I have has Hcd or had had a discussion about I mean when you look at the cost for building right now being what it is per square foot Providing that money in the form of financial support to buy a home within the community somewhere else so I think the Cal home program has first time what is waving the first time requirement But there the Cal home program will help with purchases that is a program that we will we if the survey comes back and people are Saying that some of the things they want they don't want to rebuild Then that then that is something that we can look at there's nothing prohibiting prohibiting us from this from from purchases the What we heard in the original public meetings is that people did want to rebuild so that's why we've gone down this road and and you know the To be completely honest. We all we all know this but the hundred and twenty four million that we were given is not enough It is not enough for Santa Rosa is not enough for the entire state with which it's got to be delivered So I think all those options can be on the table as we go forward with them find out what the survey is What the survey says great? Yeah, my hope would be is that people who want to be rebuild to be able to but looking at those cost efficiencies to for people Who may not want to you know continue the timeline of new construction that option be available understood Yes, and I don't I completely agree. Thank you Councilmember. I just want to assure you that we have raised these issues repeatedly with the state and with the federal government I Staff is a little frustrated on the timing here We feel that this should have been out there way ahead of the timetable that we're currently on but I want to assure you as members of the ad hoc can attest that these have been questions that have been we've been Repeatingly asked of our state agency partners and our federal partners. Thanks, Sean. And thank you vice mayor That's my fliming Thank you, mr. Vice mayor So what I'm trying to understand here. I understand this is a different pot of money than What what our residents might have applied for before at the 80% AMI? When you say census tract does that mean national AMI or an AMI that's more localized to our area here It's it's your individual census tracts there. So last time I'm not sure if it was used if we used our census tract. That's a question for the city manager Did we use our census tract when we went through the or for you mr. Gwine went through the Sba program Yes, we did so by way of background and very briefly a Program we applied for called Calhoun through state HCD would allow property owners to rebuild after the disaster That was why we put submitted the grant With the data we received we showed that we only had one qualified applicant at 80% So we were successful in getting HCD to agree to go to 120% of area meeting income But we still are waiting for our contract to be executed so we can push that news out We were talking about if we have an owner occupant survey going out to households who are impacted by the 2017 disaster we certainly want to promote at the same time our Calhoun program going up to 120% So but what I'm trying to understand here is is the 80% That we use before with the Calhoun program also based on census tract is the same 80% AMI Yeah, area meeting income is is provided through census tract by HUD So it's representative of the North Bay here. So what I'm trying to get out here is the how? How long a survey would take because our residents have been two years out now? We had our city did extensive Reap, you know Outreach and we found one family that might could have qualified but in the end didn't really and so I'm Reluctant I want people to apply, but I don't want to ask people to Engage in yet another you know Sisyphean uphill battle that feels like just one more thing that we thought might help and it doesn't and then do anything So what can you say to help me convince my constituents to apply for this? That ultimately The survey is the first step that we won't know exactly what the data shows us until it comes in we understand that there is a That 80% of AMI is really low to own a home in Most counties never mind Sonoma and and we're well aware of that. We've had these conversations internally We're having this conversation with HUD. It is truly something on our radar. We can help people above 80% of AMI We simply have to make sure that we hit that That we hit that that 70% the one thing I do want to I do want to talk about however is in in the FAQs where it talks about what we can pay for we just want to make sure everybody understands that that Standard grade finishes is may not be exactly what most Higher-income homeowners are looking for and that is all that this can pay for is can't pay for anything That's luxury it may not even be able to pay for granted. We will be looking into that but it is it is definitely geared toward moderate housing and and The regulations and the requirements say that where we really can come in and make a difference obviously is in the Exterior and the semen tissues ignition resistant assistance Okay, and just as a general sense about how long would it take for an applicant to fill out the survey The applicants are generally taking I want to say about 10 to 15 minutes, okay, that's not too long. That's pretty good to hear. I guess go ahead It basically it is it is the questions an application would ask it just doesn't require any documentation at this point Okay, thank you I want to thank you for your presentation and hope that your conversations with HUD are more fruitful than than might have been Thank you. Thank you, and I want to drill down a little bit on one of the questions that was asked that I didn't hear Good answer to okay at what point can our constituents start to be able to rely on this assistance So we expect to be able to take Full applications into the system in hopefully early January That's the anticipated time. You'll see on here. It says early 2020, but I'm Pushing people very hard in order to try to get this out in January We understand that it's all taken too long We understand that in even HUD agrees like I said, we didn't get our grant agreement until August So we couldn't go out for procurement on everything we had to do So we are jamming people to get done what needs to get done We will we will push as hard as we can Once someone fills out an application Then then the process truly begins of property inspection. They have to stop work There is some things that get it that get involved But we're hoping to have a turnkey situation where a turnkey surface where If someone hasn't started to rebuild or they want to use they're done with their contractor And they want to use our contractor then it's probable that they could come in and use ours And we will stand that up as quickly as possible. We will have estimators on staff We will actually have contractors that are on that are Procured already and they're ready to come in and take on these projects and do them. There's no waiting for contractors There's no there's no have the homeowner having to go and then figure out who can do this for them It will it will move far far more smoothly through our system We have case managers that when the owner-occupied program manager comes on board They will bring case managers with them so that the minute someone Submits an application is invited to submit an application. They submit the application. There is a case manager There's a single point of contact that that homeowner will have through the entire process to help walk them through Everything that needs done whether it's title issues whether it is simply, you know Ensuring that the two-party check to the contractor and the homeowner got delivered on time And is being processed correctly those sorts of things But there will be there will be ample help for each of the homeowners that want to walk through this process with us So if the applications are taken in in January, when can our residents expect the assistance to actually reach them? To be able to move forward That would depend on how long the the construction takes but the but within a week someone's going to be out there doing the assessment Someone's going to be out there doing the putting the scope of work together But they will from the time that they see the app that we receive the application and the application is processed They within within a week of understanding that the application is Eligible and ready to go. I would say with I think the key variable I'm trying to get at is once the application comes in how long is it going to take them to be verified To be able to receive that assistance because from what I'm hearing they're going to put things on hold While they wait until they have all their ducks in a row make sure that they get that assistance So I don't want people waiting the on the expectation. They're going to get the assistance if it doesn't come in The assistance will be will be available as soon as the application is complete There's quite a bit of documentation that we're going to have to assist them through uploading and and putting into the system But I can't imagine that it's if we are going to have enough case managers based on the number of Surveys and the number of respondents that we get I can't imagine that it's going to be more than a week or two before somebody's out They're making sure that they are doing the inspections Making sure that they're making contact with the homeowners making sure that the estimates are being done Estimates will be put into an electronic system so that they are all Equal it we don't have the system yet, but it'd be something similar probably to an exact to mate Not sure if you're familiar with that system or not But it will talk directly to the owner occupied program that we have and upload everything electronically The more paper you have the slower it goes one of the reasons we wanted to put this into an electronic format Is so that it could go faster But it's an electronic format that we can assist people with because not everybody has access to computers and not everybody has access to The internet and so we also can do this over the phone There will be case managers like I said that can do it over the phone for for homeowners I can't guarantee a time however But that but the turn time in my mind is no more than a week or two before we really get rolling And it would only be two weeks in the event that we got a rush of of applicants all at the same time Okay, and I appreciate that I think you're just hearing a sense of urgency from the council Understanding that we're trying to help the most vulnerable folks Who are also now seeing their a le having expired? Yes, and having a hard time already staying in our community Why was the plan designed around income and not based on what we're seeing as a gap in the cost to rebuild a home Versus what the insurance will pay those are the federal requirements because it is federal money and it is and it again the The basis for this program and the money is to assist for low and moderate income people with disaster It's disaster relief as opposed to recovery And so and as HUD has always said it's a down payment on recovery essentially so in their minds It is really about disaster relief to the most vulnerable populations to try to restabilize Restabilize them after a disaster and then the next logical question is then why does it take two years to get the money out? And I do not disagree. Yeah, I think I think the unfortunate Fear that I have and I know other council members have is that at this point It's too late in our community to get these dollars out to actually help the people that they're intended for But I appreciate the efforts of getting that out. Mr. McGlynn So I think the city staff understands the community's frustration with the process I want to assure you we've been advocating for a faster delivery of These this survey and the corresponding data, but I have to urge the community to complete the survey There have been in and off frequently are Although this state is somewhat resistant to it action plan revisions This is does not have to be the end of the conversation, but without the data It's going to be hard-pressed for the city to make an argument to revise the intended investments So we would urge as staff and we would ask you as council to urge folks to who have been impacted by this Disaster to complete the survey it is only as as Miss Naramore said it is only 10 to 15 minutes long and We can't we we will be expecting the state to share the aggregated dated with us Understand where that is and how the program is developing so that we can as a community argue for Potentially adjusting How the action plan is delivering resources to communities across the state All right. Thank you. Mr. McGlynn last question. I had I noticed you said in there that you've hired seven staff members and executed a number of contracts Was there a line item in the CDBG DR for that type of staffing or does that come from the state? specifically some of the contracting is state funding the other the other Staff is going to be a mix of activity delivery and some admin for those working on monitoring across all the programs That's going to be administration pretty much everybody else Working directly on like our homeowner manager or our housing manager or housing staff person That's pretty much project delivery because they're delivering the project. Okay, great. Thank you so much Council any other questions? All right City manager and city attorney reports who wants to go first. I have nothing to report. I have nothing to report as well okay Statements of abstentia from council members got some member tidbits Thank You guys mayor, so I will be abstaining from item 14.1 Due to the inclusion of AB 2152 and its ratification and how that impacts a project I'm working on on Mendocino Avenue specifically the gold coin And that's it for me from now Okay, any others I Will be recusing from the motion on the minute Okay Council member Fleming I will be refusing from the motion on the minutes Okay, all right. We will move on now to council members Reports who wants to begin council member tidbits All right, thank you vice mayor. I wanted to recent or actually bring to this council and staff's attention that The subcommittee within the Oakmont Village Association out in Oakmont is currently working on the development of a pilot program microgrid in that community And it's something that they see could become a model for other Areas throughout the community as well as throughout the state of California They're currently in conversations and beginning to develop a partnership with Sonoma clean power The reason why I bring it to our attention is number one We have a climate action subcommittee that may want to be tracking this and working with the Oakmont Village Association on it But number two just to bring it to their attention They're going to need partners at the state level the local level and certainly with our our energy authority Sonoma clean power So when it comes time for permitting I'm hoping that we can be a good partner to Oakmont and help them get what they need to get that microgrid off the ground and Hopefully get some good results for the rest of the state. Thank you. Thank you council member Fleming. I Just wanted to note that typically after a holiday we take Council day off and I wanted to let our veterans know that we as a council and I in particular appreciate their service and I'm really grateful for everything they did and that we had a really stacked calendar and That please not let this meeting Active anyway to subvert how much we appreciate your service and You're grateful as a community. Thank you council member Oliver's Thank you, mr. Vice mayor a quick report on last week's downtown subcommittee meeting a well-attended meeting A lot of the attendees expressed their concerns and their continued efforts and recovery as well with all the incidents that we've been going through the last couple of weeks We do hope to bring a recommendation related to the restroom I believe I think I think that December will be big not back for recommendation I can also be getting a study session soon related to parking and Then on a second item and I guess it's directed to city manager city attorney just for some clarification or some help I don't know where to go with this but there have been if this relates to the council quorum So we've been dealing with lately Been hearing a lot of information the community concerns that we do not have a full council I know that there have been stories about council member combs moving What I'm hearing is that she has actually vacated her home and moved out of the country So I don't know how that's being communicated to you whether you're working with her or not But it seems to be out there and I don't have answers So could you two please work with her and find out what her intent is whether she intends to continue serving on this council or not So that we can prepare for this because as you saw tonight We had a postponement item and we have a lot of critical issues that we're gonna be facing and making decisions on here Never in your future that's gonna require some full attention. Thank you Thank You council member So I had a chance to go out this weekend for the winter blast festival put on by out there Santa Rosa and the sofa parade so just want to say a huge thank you to everybody who was involved in that one I think next year I'm gonna try to build a Sofa float and we'll see how that one goes I also had a chance yesterday to go to the Rotary salute to veterans that was done up in Healdsburg 50 years ago the Vietnam War was at its height with almost 450,000 Americans committed to the effort and 59 folks from Snowman County did not make it home from that So it was a very heartwarming Discussion about POWs and MIA Moving forward. So just wanted to disclose that as well We'll move on to item number 10 approval of the minutes. You have the November 1st 2019 special meeting minutes available to the public I heard the council member combs and council members Fleming have to abstain from this item for the other council members who were present Were there any changes to the minutes? Seeing none, we'll show those as adopted 4 to 0 we'll move on to the consent calendar. Mr. McGlynn item 11.1 Ordnance adoption second reading South Park rezone for general plan consistency ordinance of this council of the city of Santa Rosa Amending title 20 of the Santa Rosa City Code Reclassification of 34 properties located at 900 and 910 Santa Rosa Avenue 920 930 940 950 964 972 1014 1026 1038 1110 1212 1240 1310 1316 1320 1400 1426 1452 1540 1576 1580 Petaluma Hill Road 625 Ware Avenue assesses parcel number 038-155-016 No Street address assigned 612 Frazier Avenue 611 612 and 628 Milton Street 636 and 1341 Rutledge Avenue and 1614 1618 and 1630 Aston Avenue to the CG general commercial zoning district file number PRJ 18-055 And I got to read that recommendation last week that was a lot of fun. Yes, it was council are there Any cards? Okay, go ahead councilmember sorry mr. Vice mayor Due to my absence I made should I should I be recused abstaining from this second reading? Madam City Attorney Unless you listened to The earlier hearing public hearing I would recommend that you recuse all right. I will I'll be abstaining then from From this item. All right seeing no questions. I believe that I will need to abstain from the item as well Okay, councilmember tippets. I'm going to come to you for a motion. I Move items on the consent calendar and wait for the reading of the text second and Because we have the voice in the sky tonight all votes will be bought by voice vote So the public can hear as well. So madam clerk. Will you please call the roll? Thank you Councilman or vice mayor rogers. I Julie combs you will be abstaining Remember Fleming I Councilmember oliveris. I Councilmember Sawyer abstaining correct Councilmember tippets I All right now we'll pass with four eyes and two Abstentions as well as one absence. I will move on to The public comment for non agenda items just as a as a reminder while folks get situated in this We will be moving item 14.4 from tonight's agenda to next Tuesday's agenda We have two council members who need to recuse and we are required to have a quorum In the jurisdiction to be able to hear it. So we will be moving item 14.4 if you were here, I apologize first for non agenda items Peter turnoff followed by Dwayne do it great news This third public meeting for this topic being introduced I'm sure you'll be all very excited for the homeless literary Overnight Refuge program knowing that the snowman county library has a surplus at this moment of 12 million dollars I'm sure they can work something out with any number of locations like perhaps st. Vincent's for an overnight Book study and coffee because that'd be a nice place to be as opposed to the cold or the rain for the homeless The California power comes to flower The authority be mine to say as I do as all true pure spirit warriors possess the authority to make this come true commanding all veterans law enforcement firefighters all labor all students all farmers all growers seat sowers flamethrowers and charmers Commanded you be for all the world to see abide no mortgages. No rents. No labor. No schools No longer be we the usurus bankers fools the bankers that maintain all the wars and oil tankers I am Peter. I am the brother from the east You will join this 40-day teacher strike and all corruptions forever ceased This almighty action through me commanded till every need of the earth mother earth be remanded For behind every war foreign and domestic than the slaughterhouse and the oil blood flow now ceased as we become an arise majestic Patriarchal religious deceivers have always undermined the faith of true believers Yahushua the one they called Jesus in this country was always a vegan and as seen and murdered always included From the commandments from the time of Moses And we've all been lied to and That's undermined us all Overcome the greatest boycott with the mother of all that be the call Freeze frame now the entire west coast till DC and Wall Street corruption is toast all unions Unite under the US Constitution with the CSPO a the constitutional sheriff's peace officers association The sheriff is the top law enforcement of the land thereby extricating usurus bankers and their bar lawyerly minions for lawyers have always caused problems for the unions as they serve their masters the shareholders and owners and so To embark then with 10 million gardens with artists and musicians These things come now to pass as they be commanded here and now under this beautiful moon It truly be our Serious tune our highest tune Shaday Shaday Adonai Shaday a beautiful action a beautiful day Avra Kadabra create as I speak say I say it you hear it. So be it. It's already done Under this full moon our beautiful tune Overcome as one. Thank you so much. Mr. Trump. We missed you. Glad to have you back Dwayne do it and we'll be followed by Lisa Landrous My name is Dwayne DeWitt. I'm from Roseland and I wanted to thank you the two of you that mentioned Veterans Day, which was yesterday and I always think of November as a Thanksgiving month a month in which to try to give thanks for positive things Yesterday there was a Veterans Day celebration held in Santa Rosa It wasn't the one that was held here traditionally for a number of years. It was over at the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors It was probably about 40 veterans there and a sizable number of them asked what was going on with our Approach to try to get the veterans trail the veterans healing garden the veterans Grove in Roseland a Letter was written to you over a year ago from our congressman Mike Thompson a veteran Stating that they wanted us veterans I should say Specifically the Vietnam veterans of America post 223 Was hoping to get the support from the city to move forward on this Never got any response And so at yesterday's Celebration if you will of our patriotism and the people who've given their lives to keep this forum alive If you will It was mentioned by a few that it seems at times that various elected officials will wave a flag and speak fondly of veterans But then when it comes time to have the rubber meet the road, it's going nowhere. I Appreciate Ms. Fleming's reference to the Sisyphean tasks that go on in life and for us veterans in Sonoma County It seems like a Sisyphean task to just get you to do something for veterans. That's an actual Activity, it's an undertaking that we can see rather than wave a flag and say thanks. We're there for you Specifically in the past we came forward and pointed out that the taxpayers were the proud owners of some houses over in Roseland where three Roseland members died in the Vietnam War that was mentioned earlier and We thought well We're going to work together with people at the city and get a way to commemorate things and we could get those houses and we could Perhaps work together move them away instead of destroy them and instead Taxpayers money down the drain. They were demolished So now that there's nothing there there shouldn't be any Holdup, I don't see that there should be a difficulty and letting veterans go forward Volunteering our time and our efforts to get that veterans trail in it was first proposed decades You know this clock up here doesn't do the countdown anymore We'll see if we can fix that if you're gonna have that what's that buzzer sound? Thank you, Mr. Dwight, we'll try to give us the clock for the timing and I pledge allegiance to America Lisa Landrous followed by Gregory fear on Put on next door trying to get some folks to come downtown and support our local merchants restaurants retailers It's kind of become a ghost town many times There's a couple of exciting places that have a little action, but as I drive through downtown, it's gotten pretty sad downtown So I posted a little Item on there that said please support our downtown. Please go down there. They are us, you know, we need your dollars downtown I got a hundred and sixty comments and reactions 95% of the comments were very fiercely in opposition to the parking meter system and the complaints ranged from the variety of parking meters that time on the Parking meters poor lighting so they couldn't see the parking meters There was every kind of problem associated with it some Restaurant tours even cited that they didn't know that every five-star review would come with a Ticket and that they had heard from so many of their patrons in their restaurant because they couldn't even see that the parking Things said until eight o'clock at night So people unfamiliar with the eight o'clock rule were given their thirty five dollar tickets along with the ride for dinner So some of the following other items that were important to people Homelessness was the second precursor of why they don't want to come that was an obstacle for people they said More homeless people than there were patrons for the downtown dealt uncomfortable with the presence of people with so many large items all of that They were really unhappy with our town square That was the third item that people I didn't know that they detested it so much to me I've always thought it looks like a helicopter Metaflight pad but people say that they actually go to Windsor Petaluma and Hildsburg to have a downtown experience. That's how much they hate our downtown and how it looks So I'll read you just until I run out of time. I promise people I would read a couple of their comments Let's see I don't find any friendly atmosphere there at all the merchants are all friendly and need our business But I don't enjoy the experience at all I've heard merchants say that the new restored eyesore of a square is hurting their business such ugliness does nothing for our city It seems like it was only built as a way to generate profits for somebody else well, it's Just an observation. I'm originally from San Francisco So parking meters garages aren't new to me The difference is that the need and desire to be there outweighs The cost in San Francisco. That isn't the case with Santa Rosa I enjoy many places downtown, but I don't need to go there Next person reports that they park on side streets to totally avoid coming here even though they do participate in the downtown Used to be a great place to stroll in window shop stop for sidewalk meal then the city got involved. It is An attractive place to go. Thank you, Lisa Gregory fear on followed by Tony Geraldi Son thank you vice-mayor Rogers and members of the council Tonight I'm here to advocate on behalf of the people at a Joe Rodota trail We had a meeting on Saturday homeless action with them and are assisting them in developing self-governance and addressing the issues that they identify one of the issues that they identified was the dumping of What people think are something people could use on the trail And I have a hard time believing, you know Some of the things that are dumped there wouldn't anyone's mind be good for the people on the trail I think it's becoming just a place everybody in the city who wants to dump trash starts dumping And this certainly the people on the trail have seen that and they said that to us They also said it used to be in the early days And I don't know what early days of the trail are but the early days of when they were there that the police Actually cracked down on those people who came by and dumped shit They went and looked at stuff They figured out who it was and they put pressure on them and it stopped for a little while and then it went away Nobody from their point of view is trying to prevent people from dumping right behind those stores right next to the trail Stuff they have no ability to get rid of don't want and feel that people are really just dumping on them So i'm here to recommend and to ask the city to do something like it used to do When they were all under the underpass. We had a partnership with the city the city staff In utilities and others came out on a every two-week basis We worked with them and we cleaned up some of the stuff that was there It's not happening at Joe Radota and you know why Everybody seems to have this attitude that i've talked to you in the city that says if we do anything at all We're going to send a big signal that says it's okay to be there That is so inhumane There are people out there who really need your help There are people in the community trying to help them and we need your help to Try to find something you can do I've almost given up asking you guys to think about porta potties and washing stations and things that really are humane And from a public health point of view you should have been doing a long time ago But please garbage you can do that you can send your staff out on a two-week basis like they used to With uh, you know one of those trash bins that will help fill up and they can take away It can't be that difficult You've done an awful lot for people who've been at you know damaged by the fire Do a little more for these folks Thank you, Gregory. Tony Jeraldi followed by debora Tony Jeraldi proud centers a resident Residing at 680 elsa drive and general operations manager some county airport express Good evening vice mayor rogers and distinguished members of the city council It's my understanding the city of san rosa employees over 1 000 people organized in the 13 departments With nearly 180 000 residents living within the city limits With us in mind the responsibilities and the time commitments of our city council members are no are no doubt monumental We certainly need all seven our council members to be fully engaged constantly interacting with residents and city staff Without in mind, I have major concerns when one of our council members Is now living outside of our city outside of our state outside of our country in ecuador How can council member combs be considered a true representative of our beloved community? When she no longer lives here How can council member combs attend important community functions? How can she visit areas of concern within our city? How can she fully engage with our business community? Our homeless community an area is recently affected by our fires We have serious issues needing to be addressed here in san rosa Issues whereby face-to-face dialogue needs to happen with our entire council engaged To council member combs Respectfully asked you to move back to san rosa If not, do what's right and please resign your seat on this council Make this decision now And do this under your term If you've already decided to remain in ecuador Then we do do what our community is owed and what is right resign your seat If you do not make a decision extremely soon Again under your terms I would suggest your colleagues here in san rosa Do what they can to force the recognition Resignation Or remove you as a council member of the city of san rosa A resident of ecuador is not a representative of the san rosa community. Thank you Thank you, mr. Giraldi debora followed by kim schroeder Thank you very much debora taveras was stopped the crime.net. I have several comments My husband Was a veteran in vietnam He was on the arriscony that went to go help those on the forestall when the forestall nearly sunk That year in 1967 He didn't know what he now knows about having served in the military because he hadn't read silent weapons for quiet wars So for any of you sitting here right now If you have not read Silent weapons for quiet wars page 42 43 and 44 I would ask for you to do so It is eye-opening and it is your reality And it is extremely important Secondly, I want to talk about the pace loans That I have found out are extremely predatory What I have learned about the pace loans, which are loans that this city council Has it has approved Here in san aroza for augmenting energy upgrades And pace is a rockefeller roth child loan program extremely predatory. There has been legislation in dc about the predatory nature of these loans Though your homes can be foreclosed upon in 60 days because these loans become a line item on your property taxes You have to hire a pace approved contractor to augment your Change out to electric if you're going to change out of gas Or if you're going to add insulation or if you're going to add dual pane windows You will also be unable to pay ahead of time because it's a prepayment penalty If you do not And if you're in a disaster area and your income is hit You can change the payments of your Property taxes with the county tax assessor, but you cannot with pace pace will foreclose on your home in 60 days I have a recording of this conversation with pace on stop the crime dot net on our youtube video channel That will be posted tomorrow This is hair-raising. This is horrific. And this is what this de facto corporate structure has approved for all of you Again, the pace loans are very very predatory as far as the homelessness We're watching concentration camps being accepted on our streets We're watching people human beings As they would be left as a pow overseas during a war On our streets. We're becoming desensitized to what we're observing on our streets And these people Have no jurisdiction. That's why it remains. Thank you Kim kim schroeder Peter come on Peter Peter All right, we're gonna take a five-minute recess and we'll come back And If you can file in quietly we'll get started here, sorry for the Little delay, but it did give councilmember oliveris the chance to grab a snack So traditionally we only take 10 public comment cards for the first public comment period We have 12 cards So with my discretion, I'm going to do all 12 before we move on to the next item Any new cards that come in after that fact we'll take at the end of the meeting in the second public comment period So I do believe that it was Okay, and councilmember combs is still with us on the phone So she will help us to establish our quorum here briefly Uh kim schroeder and she'll be followed by alan thomas. Go ahead kim Good evening council. My name is kim schroeder and i'm a senator as a native and a parent at Montgomery high school since 2012 In december 2014 verizon submitted an application with the city to place a cell tower in Montgomery's football stadium In january 2015 a public hearing was requested There was public concern and the application was pulled come to find out in early 2018 a 4g cell phone tower With 5g infrastructure was placed right in front of mcgummery high school No public's notice this time Verizon found a way to put it in the public right away with equipment and transformers on power lines all over the cell tower Went unnoticed for a long time Not even our principal staff or possibly even the district knew it was there How is this okay parents and staff have a right to know it's there This is extremely upsetting to me and other Montgomery parents Montgomery said no thank you to a tower on campus before there was absolutely no consideration for our concern for our children and school staff When verizon proceeded to place one there anyway It's actually closer to our classrooms in the heart of campus and the football stadium During my eight years being a Montgomery parent not once have I heard complaints about cell service I understand it had five bars before the tower went in This cell tower has powerful antennas and is way too close to where our kids are hanging out Since the FCC limits are from 1996 They're based on acute thermal effects and not 24 seven exposure with current technology Telecom can emit extremely high levels of radio frequency microwave radiation and still be compliant Why on earth does Verizon need a 4g tower there just to speed up video streaming and social media? At a high school campus for that matter. It's not about 911 calls or critical nixle alerts A few other parents and I were on campus with radiation meter the other day The elect electromagnetic frequency was highest near the tower, of course Which by the way is where so many kids hang out right there on the front lawn over snack break lunch after school Sprout out enjoying their conversations and it's a main walkway into campus a lot of foot traffic A very strong signal continued within a 1500 foot radius Independent scientific studies all over the world have linked several health issues to radio frequency microwave radiation And studies paid for by the telecom industry will tell you not so much This explains why so many cities in california and all over the world are prohibiting cell towers near schools parks Neighborhoods medical facilities, etc Our precious children and staff are peppered with this radiation every day all school day long Maria crio proctor terrace and Lincoln elementary have towers too close by These parents and staff have a right to know Side drum headaches anxiety depression brain fog what if worst case people start getting sick on these campuses like they did at Reapon elementary in modesto Eight cases of cancer so far. I know the city doesn't want this liability There are recent federal court rulings that help cities be in a better position with the telecom industry I welcome the opportunity to work with you and figure out a solution for effective technology Without compromising the health and environment of our community. Thank you for all you do Thank you kim And just because we do have a couple of new faces in the audience Due to the brown act We actually can't engage in a back-and-forth conversation on an issue brought up a non agenda items But I will say check the agenda that discussion is coming before the council. Yes. Thank you Alan thomas followed by Anita Lothalette I thank you vice mayor in council. This is an old face so I had spoken last week about You folks reaching out to the county to do something with the jovo dota trail and the illegal camping that's going on I'd also recommended that you send a letter of support To the city of boise, Idaho who um, as you know in 2009 There was martin versus Boise and it was in the court system for a long time in april the night circuit court came out And basically ruled in favor of saying it was the eighth amendment violation So that cities in the in the night circuit could not or counties for that matter enforce their pregnancy laws So, um, I guess I have a question for you because I've done some research on this. I've I've read The actual document I would encourage all of you folks There's 33 different municipalities in the state of california The city of los angeles the city of sacramento the city of san rafael the county of del nord The county of san diego Vista the city of vista. They've all said Supreme court, please overturn this please overturn this because this is hamstringing our ability To to deliver any kind of public service. What happened tonight? Just now when we were all disrupted Is a perfect example of what's going on in san aroza and the whole state of california have individuals That don't have to listen to one minute regulations. They don't have to Do whatever we all have to do they can just do whatever you want and for whatever reason california leadership including the people on the dice down there Feel more compelled to not just say no It's not acceptable. Sorry you do that for other things, but you don't seem to do it For the general public and I think people are starting to get a little frustrated So I would ask you I would urge you to read The friendly brief that was submitted to the supreme court back in september of this year Basically read it it explains everything why cities want You guys to enforce normal standard quality Limits so people aren't living outside. However, you do it. That's up to you But do something so I was asked by one of the members of can To ask Anybody in the room or anybody that supports can which is the Citizens action group that's been formed after the whole debacle Down at the joe radota trail to raise our hand in support just you know, whatever So i'm gonna raise my hand and whoever else wants to raise my hand and I Like a citizen will adhere to your three minute Limit, thank you Thank you, alan anita lafellette followed by steven mosher Good evening. I just wanted to remind you that there are a lot of people that are living out in this weather now And it's getting very cold You know about joe radota being out there and we at homeless action have been meeting with them And we're trying to organize them and get together so that we could get some porta potties garbage pickup And about the drop-off of garbage behind the People there so I want you to pay attention to that because we have met with um We have met with kelly and in fact and we are trying to put together the chat program so it makes sense so that it's Something we can use To be able to get the the the things we need to be able to make that Hospitable because it's going to start raining soon I just want to make you know like hello heads up. There's a lot of people that don't have a place to live And I think that is probably Truly a breakdown in our capitalistic system And I want you to pay attention to that and I want you to notice that there is a chat program that will help us if you would Please Do that instead of paying attention to those things like whether or not Certainly it's terrible when people have their homes burned down, but I see that your attention is all on that Those are the big homeowners with a lot of money It's not taking care of those that don't have any money and it shouldn't make us different We are identical to people who have money. We're still people. We're still residents You still have an obligation to us And I also want to ask you a question if you didn't take uh 14.2 off Is kawana springs going to be affordable all those new fancy homes over there? Because anybody know if any of those are affordable because they're going to just sit there like the ones that are up on your lupa And over on stony point and nobody can live in them because nobody can afford the rent Okay, so you can't answer my question You don't answer my question. You don't have any clue whether they're affordable You let all those homes be built over there and you have no clue whether they're affordable. I'm sorry It's The council is not paying attention to me Okay Well, then I'm not going to talk to you anymore Good night Thank you, Anita and again public for the public who have not been here before on non agenda items Due to the brown act We actually cannot engage in the back and forth because it has not been agendized item And it deprives the public of a chance to be a part of the conversation Steven mosher followed by craig murphy Yes, uh, steven mosher from uh, sannero the I'm here to talk about the smart train and they Just passed a resolution to put the uh That onto the onto the ballot next march tax extension for uh 10 tax extension for 10 years early then stated In their very real term That goes along with time and we rejected the smart train At a half half a cent sales tax and then smart new and lied State thinking in a quarter cent would do it. Well, they did be far from uh the The goal there So what they're very facious with is uh refinancing their bond debt To six million dollars a year from about 20 million dollars a year Well, really what we need is to pay off the bond debt making Actually run a commuter train not at these all-day discouraging trains They're big hand marketed to lunch with about three or four people on the train It's supposed to be a commuter train. So why Are we having all this? All of the extra service It's the only thing smarts ever done that they did more of now It's tame the timing is really interesting because they're They're um budget supposed to go up to 60 million dollars in the year and a half Uh per year. It's about 40 million dollars per year I'm figuring that the That the extra is they are going couldn't have to that's the pensions of the smart board members and smart board members are Clue the slot really vice mayor and rogers They all totally accepted He's brand new on the board He asks him quit the intelligence questions In fact, he has asked a question about positive train control Which they ought to get back to them But no one on the board is Has a clue about what positive train control is they just work up their packets and hope well Yes, so yes, I see a And then some kind of feather in their capping instead of running other pretty real transit agencies so boat no next march make smart pay a bond and And start from there. Thank you. Thank you, mr. Moser craig murphy followed by elizabeth nailin Hello, it's craig murphy with i'm in santa rosa. Thanks for hearing me out today I'm going to start with an observation or a few observations followed by a few comments First of all, I've observed just yesterday driving by the georodota trail That now both sides of stony point road are fully engulfed with encampments It's gone all the way to the gates at the trail Whereas a few weeks ago or last month when I was out on the trail, uh, you know bike ride I I observed that it started 100 or so yards in but it's definitely expanded This is it seems that this is correlating to some effect to The the fires coming on I believe that people take advantage of the fire services that we've had we've have here in the county And and I think that people are coming from out of the area because there's far more people now than there were Just a month ago I've also noticed more rvs that have moved back into my neighborhood In the montgomery village area just just this morning. I called on two Delapidated rvs that have been in place for more than five days in my neighborhood Out of one of them. There was a dog that attacked a cyclist this morning. I believe it was So this is definitely an issue Going along with with the rvs They are dumping their sewage tanks into storm drains. There's a dump station in the rv Park at the fairgrounds They don't see these rvs these folks that are homeless that living in their rvs They don't see those rvs coming in to pay the ten dollars to dump their black water So we know where they're they're going they're going into the storm drains and that's a terrible environmental disaster for our creeks So we're not going to solve this homeless issue overnight So I would suggest on that issue that we issue 10 dollar vouchers to The folks living in these rvs at least temporarily so that they dispose of their wastewater properly They can go to the rv park by the fairgrounds and dump them Rather than dumping them in the creeks, which is where it's going right now or just in the gutter And then as far as another issue that we are hearing a lot is the affordable housing argument And of course everybody wants affordable housing, but affordable housing will not impact 80 of the folks on the joe rodota trail Or in the other parks toile park or other encampments those folks have mental health issues and they have They have issues with drugs and that needs to be treated at a much higher level probably a federal level I would ask you to reach out for federal assistance to deal with this problem It's not going to be solved locally But allowing it to continue and fester the way it is is definitely not a solution either Thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Elizabeth nail on Elizabeth kneeling nice to see all of you. Um I recently uh was holed up in the trauma unit for 24 days over at the hospital And I got to watch the gondi movie in which he proclaimed that he knew a way out of hell And i'm hoping this country will find that same Way to get out of what I consider a living hell Uh, I was born here. My mother was a socialist from canada But while I was after I saw the gondi movie, I think I wrote a whole bunch of stuff down And like I support the 40 day strike idea that peter has To stop the u.s military fascism Now the christian religion has been co-opted by depraved capitalists for many many years And they bought up our mass media I would say that the christian religion is a in a general state of decay due to its supremacist attitudes Now If you looked into the history of india You I think you would find that they have not gone to war in thousands of years And they've had many awakened masters I would say that um It is time for extreme activism. Let's stop funding endless war Um depraved capitalists threaten humanity's survival Let's not be depraved. Let's get real, you know I I'm really into that like cages and prisons are no place for kids Clothes detention camps today. Welcome refugees Unite all families including the homeless Now I have a homeless son in berkeley. His name is dartanian And he was attacked by the center as a police during a medical emergency on february the 7th 2015 He was suffering from a brain injury covered in blood being a black man covered in blood I'm sure it was easy to say. Hey, you're drunk because we want to arrest you They lost the records of his alcohol test when they went through the court system And why did they lose them because he wasn't drunk? They just wanted to arrest him because he was a black man covered in blood He was probably a bad guy Of course, he has a master's degree from stanford And the police at berkeley call him professor because he was an assistant professor for five years at stanford So let's just remember we're in a heck of a lot of deep You know what? Right here in america and we need more activists on the street And and the hell with capitalism. It's a ridiculous Thank you. Thank you elizabeth and glad you're feeling better. Ah, yes I'm gonna bring it back to council. The uh first public comment period is now closed We have no report items tonight, so we will go on to item 14.1. Mr. mcglenn Item 14.1 public hearing objective design standards standards for streamlined and ministerial residential developments Amy Nicholson senior planner presenting joined by claire hartman Thank you vice mayor rogers and members of the council The item before you is a zoning code text amendment establishing objective design standards For streamlined and ministerial residential developments pursuant to recent state legislation The city has an existing policy document Which covers residential and non-residential design known as the design guidelines These guidelines are subjective to allow for discretion and flexibility Therefore they cannot be enforced through the state mandated process The goal with these proposed objective design standards is to address neighborhood compatibility And ensure attractive residential development citywide while complying with new state legislation Jurisdictions across the state are experiencing housing shortages and High costs in an effort to address this issue. The state government has adopted a number of housing bills Which require a streamlined and ministerial process for specified residential developments Two bills, which were the impetus for this zoning code text amendment include senate bill 35 and assembly bill 2162 These two bills discuss a streamlined and ministerial process And streamlined in this context means that projects are processed within a specified time frame And ministerial means no use of discretion or personal judgment As additional legislation to expedite housing development within the state is anticipated This zoning code text amendment has been written in a broad manner to apply to future projects Which would require ministerial and streamlined review Senate bill 35 or sb 35 became law in january of 2018 It was part of a housing bill package signed by the governor and requires that streamlined ministerial process This bill is only Required for jurisdictions which are not meeting their regional housing need of which santa rosa is not And it requires that these residential projects Not go through a discretionary review process So that means there there's no requirement for a use permit or design review landmark alteration But instead these are processed in a ministerial Fashion, which means they are only measured against objective standards Because these projects are Uh, not subject to discretionary review. They are also not subject to the california environmental quality act projects need to meet a number of Requirements in order to be processed through sb 35 streamlined and ministerial process They include that a project is primarily residential and includes at least two units Projects over 10 units must include a specified level of affordability The project sites must be Considered infill by state definition and they cannot contain a number of environmental issues And further construction workers for the project must be paid prevailing wage In addition projects must comply with each and every objective design standard within A city and any other standard in the city code or general plan Assembly bill 2162 went into effect january of 2019 This bill addresses the need for supportive and emergency housing and requires the same streamlined and ministerial approval process As it does not require discretionary review. It is also exempt from the california environmental quality act In order for a project to qualify For streamlined and ministerial processing under assembly bill 2162 It must include a specified number of units For affordable renters and those units must be restricted for a period of 55 years In addition a number of these units must be designated as supportive housing and the non-residential Floor area needs to be used for on-site supportive services The Standards contained in the text amendment before you are sourced from the city's design guidelines They have been modified or eliminated based on the need to remain objective or feasible and As such there have been several iterations of these proposed standards that have gone through staff review Board and commission review in addition to public comment The topical areas in the text amendment before you include neighborhood compatibility Building design massing and architecture Outdoor and common space site design and accessory elements The neighborhood compatibility standards focus on a multifamily development being well integrated into a single family neighborhood The building design standards relate to materials and details Including that the exterior of affordable units shall be indistinguishable from market rate units The massing and architecture section emphasizes architectural features building recesses and entries The common and open space section addresses both private and common open space Minimums as a special note the downtown station area specific plan is not included in these requirements based on design review board and public comment However, this may be addressed separately throughout the downtown station area specific plan process The site design standards focus on the location of parking screening and safety and ease of site layout And finally the accessory elements focus on mechanical screening fencing and refuse containers As many of you know the city currently has a number of objective standards within the city code Some that many are very familiar with are the development standards by zoning district These include setbacks maximum height or lot coverage for structures There's also a section on landscaping which requires one tree per five parking spaces And that setbacks be maintained with landscaping The city code also includes the water efficient landscape ordinance which requires the use of drought tolerant plants Outdoor lighting is a section covered in the zoning code Which requires down shielded lighting And there is a section in the zoning code on parking Which dictates the number of parking spaces required by use and also the design and dimension of parking spaces I will note that both senate bill 35 and assembly bill 2162 Do modify parking requirements based on certain qualifying factors. So in some cases Pursuant to senate bill 35. No parking spaces are required based on proximity to public transit There is also a requirement for Streamline and ministerial projects to be consistent with our hillside development ordinance which requires More restrictive side yard and front yard setbacks in addition to our creek side development ordinance And finally the city Policies include standards for streets sidewalks and bike lanes all of which would still be implemented In june an online survey was released to the public with the proposed design standards The community advisory board the planning and economic development department email distribution list Which includes over 15 000 email addresses Including builders non-profits governmental organizations and other interested parties receive notice of this online survey In addition a website and survey Were posted to the city's various social media accounts and were distributed by way of flyers at two community events The online survey was created in english and spanish And a total of at last check i believe 146 people responded The survey was set up to ask participants to rank the proposed design standards in order of preference by topical area There was general consensus in favor of design standards in each area including Limiting the height of new buildings abutting preservation districts The location of parking and building orientation and the inclusion of single family design elements Commenters also favored requiring affordable units to contain the same material and level of detail as the market rate unit And requiring common open space areas for projects with more than 10 units The survey also included an opportunity to add suggestions Other than those design standards included in the survey Participants express the importance of water efficient landscaping and landscaping generally the need for compatible or earth-toned neighborhood colors high quality materials and additional parking And the entire results of the survey have been included as attachment five to the staff report So the text amendment before you has evolved based on public comment through the survey and also through the cultural heritage board design review board and planning commission meetings back in june a Presentation was given to the design review board and cultural heritage board The board members at that time provided their comments with the proposed standards A majority of the board members did express their concerns regarding a ministerial process for design review and they understood the difficulty associated with forming these standards Specific comments that staff members were able to incorporate into the ordinance included Limiting open space minimums to areas outside the downtown station area plan To avoid constraining development, especially in this area where the city's focusing on additional development in addition A board member suggested that requiring on-site amenities to be located to the rear or center of the site Could deactivate the street space and thus the standard was removed A number of other standards were amended based on on board comment and those have been Explained further within the staff report In september of this year the planning commission held a public hearing on the proposed zoning code text amendment and was supportive of the proposed design standards The proposed amendments are exempt from the requirements of the california environmental quality act per sequel guidelines section 15061 b3 In that the amendments themselves do not have the potential to cause an effect on the environment They are Written to preserve and enhance aesthetic resources and each of the proposed amendments has been written to conform The city's code to state law And finally that any conceivable impact of the proposed amendments would be speculative in the absence of a specific development proposal So with that the planning commission and the planning and economic development department recommend That the council introduce an ordinance adding city code chapter 20 39 Related to objective design standards for streamlined and ministerial residential developments And i'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Mrs. Nicholson Councilor, are there any questions? Councilmember Sawyer Thank you, vice mayor, and you may have just touched on this slightly on slide 18 You refer to enhancing aesthetic resources i'm Curious as to the Planning commission's response to this and how it applies to our historic districts And the preservation of those and how we are being sensitive for those districts While at the same time Trying to enhance our Building of affordable housing and other housing as well I do not recall the commission making any specific comments on Our preservation districts the cultural heritage board did express a lot of concerns about The inability to review a project like they normally would under a landmark alteration permit The zoning code currently has a requirement For building height within preservation districts, which would still be in effect even though it's not explicitly addressed in this text amendment because it currently is in the code However, there wasn't consensus on a specific item that could be added to these objective standards that would Really encompass every possible circumstance within the preservation districts and then we really found that to be a challenge Okay, thank you. And I think in in my reading of the staff report These We will be as much my assumption and my hope that we will be sensitive to our historic neighborhoods while At the same time being careful to make sure that we That we identify those buildings that are important and meaningful Because not every building in a historic district is would be considered important So i'm just wanting to make sure that to Relieve the the community or those that live in these historic districts and the community at large that we will be sensitive to those Thank you Councilmember combs. Do you have any questions? Thank you. Um, and I appreciate The report that's been brought forward and the outreach that That the staff has done I I do have a I understand that this is Basically coming to us as a state requirement Um, I have some concern about the ability of neighborhoods to establish a form-based code So that there would be an objective design standard For their neighborhood this for example might impact a historic district um Is it possible in the future for do we have a mechanism for neighborhoods to bring forth? some kind of objective design standards such as a form-based code to protect historic Or similar districts This is claire hartman deputy director for planning uh, yeah, I think uh this Set of standards could evolve over time with the city It's important to have standards at this point since the state law will prevail Whether we have these standards in place or not So this is absolutely a good first step for the city. Um, and it has been vetted broadly Uh, and there are very few projects. In fact, the city has not Uh Processed a project that met the criteria yet. So it's still early In this process, but this this kind of is a great first step for the city It sets a broad standard that Went through cultural heritage board and broad public review to get us to this point But yeah, I think certainly the standards could change Over time as we get to know how this is going to work out We should area plan or the new downtown plans To include some specific design standards as we move those projects forward Yes, on uh, december 3rd There'll be a joint study session with the city council and planning commission and you'll what you'll see is our The city's draft preferred alternative and as part of that Package, um, and this is out for public review this month. Uh, you'll see that there are design considerations at least Thematically that will need to work through um on the edges of our preservation districts I really again appreciate that you brought this forward to us so that while the state is uh sort of forcing our hand We have something to work with while we develop Perhaps more detailed design guidelines. Thank you All right, any other questions from council council member fleming First a hearty. Thank you to all the work that you did Especially the community outreach and working with our boards and commissions that we rely so heavily on for their input I do have a number of questions On slide seven. Um, we have a requirement for affordability based um for 55 years, which is excellent, I'm wondering if um You mentioned that there would be a threshold number of units in order to trigger the affordability requirement Do you know that number? Are we still working on that? Senate bill 35 has a threshold 10 or more units And then 10 of those units need to be affordable I don't know the number under assembly bill 2162 off the top of my head, but I have it here and Can likely find it Okay, not a big deal. It's just like curiosity. It's always important to kind of highlight the work that we do when we're Making units and making them easier to get built, which is the point of this And do it on our terms Will the affordable units that are triggered under either bill be um fully integrated as in I understand that the community feedback and I was able to watch the meetings online Will not be distinguishable in nature from From the uh, market rate units, but will they also not be all clustered together? The objective design standard just addresses the exterior appearance of the affordable Units and that they would have the same level of detail and materials It does not address anything relative to site planning I I might defer to claire to anything that may have been included in the inclusionary housing ordinance We'll have to look into that. I don't have the answer Yep, I don't recall that we said anything about clustering or siloing affordable units So it's something that I'd like to see come back if at all possible So that the units can be truly integrated and not Have a developer who intends to do You know a great job burn out of money and then we have you know a problem getting those last five units built that are intended to be affordable Um, and then on slide 12. I was pleased to see the public commons I'm a big fan of public commons and protecting and growing our public commons That for uh, developments of 22 or more units, there would be three There would be two open spaces one for adults and one for children and for Developments of a hundred or more that we would have three. I'm wondering What kinds of guidelines there are for these public spaces like for adults? Are we talking about a common room or a gymnasium like when you get above more than two units? Is there some flexibility in that? I just want to make sure i'm understanding your question correctly. So is there Is the question is there a specific criteria for what defines an adult open space area? Well, so i'm asking like is it prescriptive so if I come in and I build 22 units Am I told that for an adult situation? I need to have like a common room and for children I need to have a play structure or am I Informed that you know These are the types of things that would meet the needs of children in a common open space And these are the types of things that would meet for an adult so that perhaps we could get creativity and we can get Some new ideas and best practices evolving as the market You know iterates on things that are working or not Sure, that's a great question the only really specific standard mentioned in the Open space criteria is that adult open space area doesn't contain play equipment and that there's seating available and that a teenage outdoor area might include Sports fields age appropriate park equipment or other recreational equipment. So that one's written more broadly. I think if we The challenge with this is to to ensure that it can be Measured and we were not supposed to be using any personal judgment. So if you were to look up a child player or a child common space and the types of things that would come up play equipment Or just general Kind of landscaped area then then that would apply but again We have to avoid the use of personal judgment. It seems to me though I know we're trying to take personal judgment out of it that It would be one of those things where when you see it, you know it, right? Right, right, you know that there could be seating in a children's space for like an adult like myself Who's kind of wants to sit down while their child is playing? But it is interesting and then the last question around that one is that when you do get over The number that would have required three which three open public spaces Does it do we have any prescription around whether that third unit? Of public space goes to a child space or an adult space Like if you have an under 12 space in an adult space is that next one go to teenagers Or can you build a gym or like what are we talking about here? Yes, so if there are more than 100 units then there would be one space For adults one for teenagers and one for younger children and of course people could attend different areas But the equipment there would be more geared toward those specified age groups Okay, so it does go on to meet the needs of the community more specifically The greater the number of units that's excellent here And then i'm wondering is parking for bikes a requirement Yes parking for bikes is a requirement in our zoning code. It's under the parking section and nothing That i've seen in the state legislation Takes away any Of the city's ability to enforce their existing bicycle parking requirements. It's just for automobiles Excellent, and then i'm wondering how low can we go on parking you said that some parking requirements might be waived In regarding proximity to public transportation I'm wondering beyond that in areas that are you know, maybe not typically seen as that but are fairly close to workspaces Is there any way to lower our Existing parking requirements or would somebody have to come and ask for a reduction typically to Provide fewer parking spaces than what's required in the zoning code You would have to go through a discretionary process like a minor use permit And so that would take the project out of the streamline process there are more criteria than just proximity to public transit that Reduce the number of parking spaces or eliminate them in Senate bill 35. I can pull up what what those other criteria are But not necessarily what i'm getting at here is that because we're trying to do something that moves us more towards a By-right type of situation or a ministerial as you as you call it here That we can move toward our goals that i believe are both within the spirit of the law and the intention of The council at this point to not get us hung up on building parking spaces that we none of none of us want So okay, and then as long as it's a standard and it's objective and clear thing You and the council is willing to apply it 100 of the time. That's what that's what is going to be in this ordinance okay, and last question I have here is um, what is the um And you know, it's okay You just give me a couple examples. Um, what were the nature of the drb and the cultural heritage board? Concerns, I mean you touched on it a little bit, but i'm wondering if um, If you can elucidate a bit for us Sure, I can do that So the again the general sentiment was Concern about how to really get good design into objective standards Because they are used to working with our guidelines which allow for flexibility and and discretion Specific comments well a more specific comment was a concern that any of these objective standards might Make a project infeasible and so it was really a challenge thinking through What any standard could do to a Project on a certain site or a project with a certain number of units or a certain architectural style more specific comments related to Um Well one specific comment that I didn't address in my presentation was to eliminate a requirement for Uh, which would prohibit the use of a vinyl window type that came from our design guidelines But a design review board member mentioned that that's a common window type selected for more affordable multi-family projects And so he felt that that should be eliminated um to To get the units that that we're seeking at this time Okay, thank you and last thing which is I guess a question comment, which is is there anything that would trigger This seems to me like it should be a living document Is it a living document and what would trigger a review that would not be cumbersome to our Development community but would also allow for the community to have a say if something kind of goes sideways Well, I can answer that So what we intend to do is you know as we report out for Implementation of this policy Like I said, we we haven't had any even though this is in effect whether we have these standards adopted or not It's a buy right if they meet these qualifications. So what we intend to do is report out To our various boards and to the council as we get an application as as we learn how this is implemented and I wanted to follow up on Amy's comments Another balancing act that the boards had to do is that this buy right um and by having Application of these standards a hundred percent of the time One of the concerns is that the these projects will start to look identical or it's almost designs itself So they didn't take every design guideline and make it a standard And they did that deliberately so that there is some flexibility and and how these Um build out over time. So I think we need to have some more experience about They saw this as a good first step But get more experience in how this is applying and if this is giving enough flexibility and design for outcome I really appreciate the thoughtfulness and I encourage you to come back and have this be iterative or possible. Thank you All right, thank you. I've got a couple of cards on this duane duit followed by ann cealy And I do not see duane. So we'll do ann cealy Followed by excuse me. Oh, and I apologize. It is a public hearing. So we will open it Ann cealy followed by gregory furan Vice mayor rogers and council ann cealy speaking for concerned citizens for santa rosa As a long time housing advocate you'd think I'd be jumping for joy at the figure of this legislation However There is not a single mention in the legislation or in the staff report describing it Of public noticing or input That is wrong To make sure that politics Political forces from the state of california don't overwhelm your responsibility to your constituents To keep them informed and give them a say In their city In the past I've seen you be wonderfully creative In solving problems and making sure public policy serves the public And I think you can do that here. It would be really important to have As one of your guidelines public noticing of the facts of development If people don't know that a Building is is going to arrive until It's already done. They don't have any chance at all to influence Matters that may be of concern to them I know that you can find a way to do this to add something To involve public noticing. Thank you Thank you, ann we have gregory furan followed by thomas ells Thank you, vice mayor and members of the council. I'm in a real quandary because I'm on both sides of this issue Clearly this is going to benefit low income housing Shelters you haven't even addressed what I talked about two weeks ago, which is The budget bill for this year goes beyond those two little things And there's a whole lot of other interest at the legislature to start saying this needs to happen all over the state So we're going to make it by right You know I'm I'm helping try to put supportive housing together at a variety of income levels From 100 down to zero and virtually all of them are going to go through this process They're all containing the elements that this has they're going to have to jump through lots of hoops But they're going to be at an advantage over that market rate out there That isn't going to be giving any kind of affordability and wants to develop them and thinks that they ought to be given the same kind of streamlined You know by right process So I'm happy that this is saying to the low income development community We need you to build housing and we're going to tell the city that they have to do it by right now I am also on the other side because I really want neighborhoods to be in control of their neighborhoods I want the city to have vibrant Citizens involved and a long ago when you guys were saying you're going to build right after the fires And you had a little pie chart up there that had a little civic engagement I warned you that you lose some civic engagement by trying to get housing built So here I am saying don't go so fast to make it so there's no citizen engagement But please help us build supportive housing and low income housing in particular And I'm happy that the legislature has held a gun to your head On that issue and I'm really happy the staff has done the best job possible of trying to figure this out They are not going to have an easy time in the next year trying to figure out the minds of the legislature Over what things ought to go through this process But they've had a really good Start at trying to come up with some objective standards that you can chew on And we can all try to figure out if we can avoid that kind of You know standardization of every house in the city. Thank you Thank you. Gregory comma sales So thank you. Uh, I agree with those Comments that have just been made Uh, in addition, I mean, you know, we have to think about I believe it's gretta thurman Who says uh thurman who is saying we really have to think about the future and how we're addressing climate change itself This doesn't really address climate change. It's talking about housing and part of the things that we attempted to do in in uh, bringing smart here through the transportation land use committee was Organizing transportation and land use in terms of the housing In the downtown and and you know, so the downtown area Specific plans relative to the station area specific plans are doing that But here you have the most important comment That was made by the public which had to do with open space and green areas And you've exempted the downtown which was held to be 60 open space and green garden areas In the other areas I would say here you've thrown the baby out with the bath This is the most important thing And what it doesn't do is address Climate change which you can do Without exempting the downtown by using rooftop gardens and I've mentioned it before but sometimes it just looks fine Not only are the rooftop gardens. You can have vertical gardening along the spaces along the sides of the buildings And these are very innovative and they're very Amenable people really appreciated changes the climate of the downtown changes the And not just the visible climate, but the temperatures and And uh the oxygen all of these things that are incredibly important Um So I would encourage you, you know, uh two spaces or three spaces. They can all be incorporated in a rooftop garden You want to with this? encourage people to build housing in the downtown But again, I've said why would someone live there? If all they're going to do is look down on on the asphalt whether it's asphalt streets or asphalt roofs, it's it's not It's not convenient or it's not something that people want to do As they live there But if you have rooftop gardens, it would change everything and here's the opportunity to include that Please I would encourage you or at least exclude the exemption of the downtown From the open space requirement until you can review that And include that review of the of the rooftop gardens in In this as you as you modify your Your ordinance. Thank you. Thank you thomas And duane you were out of the room when we called you the first time if you want to go ahead We're in a public hearing so anybody can talk at this point Duane if you want to make your comments now's your time Hello, my name is duane de wid. I'm from the sonoma county housing advocacy group And i'm typically supportive of anything that gets us more affordable housing In this document today it points out that sp35 specifically requires A specified level of affordability and also that it should be in fill But the caveat without specific or specified environmental issues And you mentioned that it wouldn't affect what's called the california environmental quality act But in the area where i'm from of roseland, we have an endangered species Some people curse it other people think it helps roseland. It's called the california tiger salamander federal regulations override state regulations One of the things that happened recently was called the roseland specific plan And during that plan the city Essentially tried to do a bit of a bait and switch And say that okay, we're going to call this a priority development area to try to get the housing in Which supposedly should be near the downtown and the transportation corridors But they extended it all the way out to belview avenue Miles and miles from downtown here So specifically You have a housing authority which has been in existence for over 60 years You've been pumping millions upon millions and millions of dollars into what you call affordable housing Frequently it costs far more than what could be built by the private sector You have some home builders here tonight. You have the north bay builders exchange here tonight Perhaps they'll enlighten us on how we can make truly affordable housing occur to meet the regional housing needs assessments that you folks haven't been able to do During the 60 years you've had a housing authority And now it's now why you were under this new legislation So let's put the package all together And let's see How can we actually build the affordable housing in the downtown area? near The transportation that we also are Millions and millions of dollars for and actually make all this stuff work Now the thing i'm most concerned about is that you here at the local level will try to fudge that term infill And make it go all the way out to the city's limits Six miles away from down here So what we need to have is your political will and say yeah We've got a downtown specific plan that we're also financing and we want the housing down here Really not just far out on belview avenue where you've sunk millions upon millions of dollars Into a project that hasn't even broken ground and might not succeed at that Belview, thank you. Thank you, sir. Is there anybody else who'd like to speak? I'm going to close the public hearing. I'm going to bring it back to the council Councilmember soyer. Do you want to put a motion on the table? Sure, vice mayor. I will do that Introduce an ordinance of the council to the city senator rosa amending title 20 of the senator was a city code adding chapter 20 through 39 objective design standards for streamlined and ministerial residential developments to create objective design standards for streamlined and ministerial Residential developments file number re z 19-019 and wait for the reading second All right council. Are there any comments? councilmember combs Are you still with us? I think I heard her drop off Okay, council your votes Oh, and that's right. It's a voice vote. No vice mayor rogers. Hi Councilmember combs I will be marking her as absent Victoria councilmember fleming all right councilmember oliveris. Hi Councilmember soyer. Hi All right, that item will pass with four eyes and three council members absent Mr. City manager item 14.2 item 14.2 public hearing adoption of mitigated negative declaration for koana springs community park master plan an adoption of the koana springs community park master plan gin santos deputy director of parks presenting I'm having trouble hearing did Did we get disconnected? Sorry councilmember combs. We're about to start item 14.2 Just the vote on that item correct Okay, thank you. Sorry. I just four eyes with three abstentions Okay, thank you. I devoted for the item, but I had a question so I can make it can wait All right director item 14.2 Good evening vice mayor rogers council members gin santos deputy director for parks We're here tonight to talk about the adoption of the master plan for koana springs park as well as the associated environmental documents the mitigated negative declaration So just as a reminder where we're looking at the yellow item In the screen is the park Right in the middle there And we have a highway 101 In red and highway 12 up here at the north part of the town And so this park is located in the southeast quadrant of the city And taking a little closer look at koana springs park the outline yellow area is the park proper It's 19.2 acres approximately And just to give you some orientation. This is taylor mountain regional park right here where the highlighter is And the park is split between two pieces between mita avenue right here And we have koana springs road on the north As well as koana terrace that runs up to an entrance to taylor mountain road and all the way down to Mita that's kind of tricky to do with that pointer, but essentially this is koana terrace on the South southern side of the park This land was dedicated in phases to the city in 2008 and 2006-2008 We have um, it's very difficult to see in this particular slide But there are existing mitigation ponds here and here and here three of them There's also some retention ponds on the site on this side of the park And it is bisected by koana springs creek So this is the blue line that runs all the way down through the park That's koana springs creek We have um, although the park is 20 acres the Usable area of it is right here in the main part of the park as well as over here There's a little portion of it that's usable over here for active uses The active use area is about five to six acres even though there is a six acre park So that's important to know as you're looking at the amenities that we ended up with Um, we do have a wonderful dedicated group of volunteers that help us out here with this park They help maintain A rural trail. They also clean the creek every year Two to three times a year as in addition to all the things that our water departments creek stewardship staff do as well as our park maintenance staff as well, so they're a really great and engaged group of neighbors in this area So just a reminder about the acreage and the drainage areas that are on the northern part of the park The items we took into consideration as we move forward to start our discussions with the community included the city wide creek master plan As well as the bicycle and pedestrian plan of course our 2008 business and strategic plan and The general plan which designates this park as a community park For the area and it is the only community park In this entire area the next closest community park would be galvin And if you think about it in terms of geography the Taylor mountain and that mountain range do separate it. So it's not physics There's no physical community park in this area except this one And so as we started our conversation we started in 2015 in may having conversations with the community at two community workshops Um, we ultimately ended up with seven community workshops, which included three board of community services uh public meetings as well In between those community workshops in 2017. We also collected online input as well And then at each meeting this is kind of an overview But we did a lot of outreach at each meeting to make sure we could get as much community feedback as possible We of course mailed over 6 000 mailers out to the residents e-blasts and media facebook features our newsletter of course News flashes on santa rosa rec.com and our event page Posted on next door com to all santa rosa next door users We also had our calendar listings of upcoming meetings And of course we have notification on site at each park site And it looks like we ended up with two of the same slides in there. So i'm gonna move on through And so just to give you an idea of what type of Engagement we began with the community The first time we met with the community members We gave them a map that you see on the left side of the screen here Which shows the it highlights the park in Kind of a pink color there in the middle And then around it provides the community with what other parks are in the area and what sort of amenities are within those parks And of course we did our traditional dot exercises and we took also comment cards so that people could write out Really detailed information about their amenities they preferred in the park. So this is Very similar to what we did in the first three meetings and to Give you a sense of what the community this is after our first Meeting it's our second community meeting. So we first gathered some information about what type of amenities the Community would like and we put together a draft in june And so i'm going to start off to the east side of the park over here We had an optional parking restroom and dog park over here An area we identified existing parallel parking along kawana springs road We identified potential for picnic areas right here run a really big oak tree that is there. It's beautiful We identified this yellow feature here, which was a trail Our path And we also didn't physically identify it, but we identified it by label the drainage areas that were in this area We identified this dot dashed line here as a potential trail As well as a pedestrian Over overlook a bridge over there that will connect you from one side to the other there is right now People cut through the creek and it's eroding the creek bank right there. So there is A desire from the community to as well as the city to have a pedestrian access there The absolute number one and continues to be the number one requested item for this community was the dog park And it's located in this area Of course our shade shelters and shade pavilion. So that would be a shade shelter with picnicking underneath And Traditional playground. So we're talking about a very large playground what you'd see at finley here similar to our other Finley community center a restroom bocce courts and a parking area so that we can get folks here We do anticipate because this is a community park that folks would be driving to the park They would be staying longer than 45 minutes to enjoy an activity here. So it's not a quick stop It's a more of an extended stay And of course a large turf area and I say large with caution. It's not large enough to have any sports fields It's relatively small a little bit bigger than the turf area at bear park if you've been to bear park It's not very large So from there, we went to the board of community services and a public meeting And uh, so let's add more feedback to kind of get some more details from the community as well as the board of community services and What we had changed on here is we've Heard from the neighborhood that they would like Sand, you know potentially sand volleyball courts. So we added those in there We also changed the I think we changed the way the bocce courts were laid out, but otherwise they were In the same general area And let's see. I want to make sure I got everything here We also added another shade pavilion the community said they would like to have Picnicking and shade near the creek so that they could overlook because it is a really beautiful area to walk by there So they wanted that And then we um, also added the community garden here. This was a request There was existing community garden at a local school Next to a future neighborhood park and those that community garden group had to vacate that space and they identified this as a potential Garden area and so we added that in there We also added a little bit more Picnicking smaller picnic sites in here as well along the trail And those are the major changes since we first started to this this plan So then what we also did here on this in august We went back to the board of community services again to solicit both feedback from the board of community services as well as the community We identified the existing Water departments water pump station that was on site just so we could be clear that that was there. It was not available to use for an amenity We also let's see we changed the shape to be more in what we thought we Might end up with here on a community garden because because of the creek setback So we made a an estimate of what that might look like there we Also added Table tennis It's very hard to see and this is again a 20 acre site. It's really difficult to see it, but it is there One of the one of the groups that I also engage with and forgot to mention was the Sonoma academy They are just at the end of Kiwanis Springs road. We'll be to the right of your screen And I met with them at least once a year And the students did dioramas and they talked about what sort of things they would like to see in a park What would bring them to the park are things like this like table tennis and ziplines and some of them mentioned ponds and it was Really exciting to work with this group, but this is something that came out of that process there and then we We relocated the restroom just a little bit, but those are the major changes there so in um 2016 council approved a an agreement with gsm landscape architecture and we brought the professionals into Take it from there and get more into the details of what this community would like and to really get in there with Things to scale and understand what we could actually do and what we could actually fit in there council also hired david j powers and associates As an environmental consultant to help us start the process to look at What we had done previously with the community. Was it going to be any major impacts as we knew it as we started to work through this process? Um, I'm going to turn it over to um, elizabeth from gsm and associates they're going to take you through these design processes and Just so you know a little bit of background david j powers was doing some initial work behind this plan that The previous plan they had seen uh to start getting into the idea of what sort of impacts there would be at the end of the master planning processes when david j powers was Finally able to say okay, let's take a really hard look at what the impacts are now that we know what the master plan was So i'm going to turn it over to elizabeth Hello everyone As jan was saying we were brought on this project at the end of 2016 And we the first thing we did is we brought our survey crew out to actually survey the site So we could determine where the top of bank was located We want to make sure we stay away from the creek bed We located The heritage trees the large trees actually any trees over six inch caliper Are located on the plan and then we of course with the topographic survey Had the contours mapped out on the site so we could determine how the ups and downs of the paths will need to go So this information allowed us to take the program elements that jen spoke about and draft them up to scale And place them on the plan and i will start again also like jen did on the west side of the site with the community garden One of the changes we made to the community garden is we made the parking areas just a little bit smaller and allowed greater Plots garden plots that could be used because that was one of the the mentions at the beginning of this process Then we we were able to accurately lay out the pathway along the north side of that creek With the topographic survey that we had so that thank you jen that Followed around we we noted where it would be good to have a crosswalk there across mita avenue. We've talked to the department of traffic About looking into possibly turning that into a future crosswalk Then we brought the paths down and we were able to stay outside of the top of the creek bank And also avoid having the path run through those existing stormwater management locations The parallel parking that is on koana springs road We were able to put a pathway as you can see two gray pathways there There's one right here that comes down and connects to the path And then the parallel parking there's one that comes down and connects to the path there So as you walk along the path over here you come down to the west side where the bridge is And again the topographic survey helped inform us of how long that bridge needs to be To avoid the creek the top of creek bank that bridge will need to be about 50 feet long It comes in one structure and they bring it out and Being able to span the top of bank to top of bank will lessen any sort of environmental impact that might be caused The koana Terrace right along here there is concern about the parking along this area Is also eroding the top of the creek bank because that is a very narrow area and cars are heavy and Rain moves things and slopes go down So we are proposing to put some parking deterrents in there in the ways of large boulders I think city has several areas that they have incorporated large boulders So four foot by four foot by by four foot tall And spaced no more than six feet apart will help deter the parking along there and help preserve the creek bank So that brings us down to the main activity of the park where jen had mentioned It's about five acres of active area and we took the program from the 2015 plans and developed the The dog park which is the dark brown right here And this is the children's play area where we where it was located before and the parking lot right here There are two bachi ball courts right above here a shade structure There are additional shade structures for picnic areas along here the table tennis is right in here and the Volleyball court is moved over here one of the things we did do from the 2015 plan is we pulled the turf the multi-use turf area out of The location of the activities it's easier to maintain the turf that way The picnic area across the turf stayed in place around that big oak tree We did not put an additional area here because we felt like it would be too close to the creek bed after that survey was done and we Were able to locate that creek bed We also on this plan located some Proposed trees of where we thought those they would be good locations for that We took this plan to the community at the end of may for a meeting and we got feedback during that meeting and as jen mentioned we also got feedback through the city website and the Facebook page for social media so we gathered all that information up and then we developed The next plan which we have in june And I think To move this over. Thank you There we go. Okay. Thank you So this is the june plan and I'll start again for the community garden side They wanted even less parking than what we showed Previously because they wanted more garden space. They want lots of garden space So we were able to accommodate that we reduced that those parking areas down to just under six spaces including a van parking space for a da The pathway along the north pretty much stayed where it was Avoiding the top of creek bank and the storm water management areas the bridge there on The where did that go? On the east side of the site Stayed there and the parking deterrence stayed So most of the comments as you can imagine were in the active use area over here one of the the Most comments we got was were to separate the play area from the dog park Get it closer to the turf area and take it away from the traffic because it was on the previous plan It was right there along quanta terrace. So we were able to move the play area Away from there over to this corner right here it Then could expand and get larger and we have two sections through the play area We have two to five year old equipment for two to five year olds and then we have equipment for five to 12 year olds We also move the table tennis over to this area And because we like the relationship previously of the shade structures with the play equipment We move those also and if you as you look closer at this plan you can see there's kind of a nice Circular arc that goes through here and the the shade structures follow that arc and they follow the the play area There is an existing restroom or not an existing there's a proposed Built restroom pre-manufactured restroom. There's a little blue square on there and that Pretty much remained in the same location as where it was previously It's conveniently located to the parking and also it's fairly close to the children's play area Which sometimes is important to get there quickly The Some of the writing comments after the meeting Was that the community would like to see a pump track similar to what is that northwest park The with the bicycles So it actually fit quite nicely about the same size in where the previous play equipment was So now there's a pump track located in there and this is a good multi generational draw to this community park the volleyball area because it's sand volleyball we went ahead and moved it back into the multi turf area there was still Request to reduce the amount of lawn because of the amount of water that lawns take And also we created that that curvilinear shape of the lawn Which helps reduce people feeling like they can come out and play a full-scale football or soccer game on the turf The there's also a large pavilion Located in the center of the paved area, which will accommodate Larger groups of 20 to 25 people to come and have a group activity in the park Then we developed a second shade structure over here by the oak tree because we took it out next to the creek So we added an additional one over here Another thing to note is that the pathway that comes around The turf area is about a quarter mile. So you'll be able to track your fitness As you walk around there and then the pathway that goes from the community garden all the way through here Past the storm water management areas down along here to the bridge. That's about a half a mile So that's another great way that you can measure your your fitness levels on that So again, we took this plan at the end of june back to the community to listen to Their feedback see how they like to changes and again it got posted on the websites and we got the social media Yeah, one thing we did add in this in this park section was a basketball court Now most community parks have basketball courts full-size basketball courts. They'll have one two or three of them This one because we wanted the multi-generational activities for everyone we did create a Half-sized basketball court that is separated from me to avenue It's about 400 feet and from the curb of me to avenue and then you have the street and then the houses after that There's also several trees that will be placed around that court and kind of nestle it in And we also reduced the bot there were two bocce ball courts We reduced them down to one bocce ball court based on the comments from the community thank you And so this plan then was created the july plan based on the comments from june and the major comments from june Were was the noise from the basketball court? So again, we felt like because this is a community park and it's for a larger area of Santa Rosa to come This is one of the big draws to bring people to the park and the more people you have coming to the park Typically the less problems you have because people are interested and they're active and involved So we did keep the basketball the half court basketball in the site The other elements that we changed is we had the fitness equipment along the path Up here on the north of the creek and we ended up bringing it down into this active area And so the path along the north of the north side of the creek can really focus on the natural aspect of this park So this plan was taken to the board of community services in august And we presented it there and it was approved by unanimous vote and after that the plan went over to Will to review with the environmental study I just wanted to follow up with elizabeth's comment about the about the plan And let you know that we um similar to northwest community park We had engagement with a community bicycle pump track group who is interested in potentially maintaining this As well as developing it similar to northwest community park Which is a huge help to our our park there that they do a lot of volunteer work Like that as well And I I'm going to turn it over to will this was a Very similar to many communities A very we found some common ground not everybody agrees there were folks who wanted it nothing there That's always the case. There's always folks that want nothing there There's also folks who want it fully developed with sports and lights and things like that Bicycle velodrome I heard all kinds of bicycle racing tracks Were envisioned But the community really rolled up their sleeves and worked hard and came together with this With this plan that we think we hit some common ground So I'll turn it over to will who took who took this plan and they made an analysis of the environmental impacts Good evening. I'm will burns with david powers and associates as gen mentioned We assisted the city with preparation of the initial study and mitigate negative declaration for the master plan That process really began in earnest After approval or the recommendation of master plan approval by the board of community services The initial study analyzes all the potential environmental impacts that could result from implementation of the master plan And that included Sorry Will burns with david powers and associates sure So we looked at the all the environmental issues in the sequel checklist The primary focus for this location Was on biological resources cultural resources Transportation impacts and also construction impacts including air quality and noise So in terms of transportation impacts, we focused on The the closest major intersection, which would be petaluma hill road and quanta springs road And reviewed that the level of service for the evening peak hour and also the weekend midday peak hour Under both conditions that intersection would continue to operate Consistently with the city's level of service policies the The other primary areas of concern for the master plan were biological resources Specifically the central presence of california red legged frog and foothill yellow legged frog as well as potential for roosting bats and nesting birds And those impacts were mitigated Both through limitations on when construction can occur primarily the dry season and periods when it outside of 24 hours of any substantial rain and in terms of The roosting bats and nesting birds pre construction surveys are required Within trees that might be within the proximity of grading on the site And there are requirements to either evict bats And or avoid areas where there are active nests Otherwise construction period impacts for the primary focus For noise there are measures included to locate Grading equipment and other heavy noise generating Uses away from some sensitive uses as well as Including a disturbance coordinator that can be contacted in the event. There are noise complaints and then The project also Incorporated standard measures recommended by back med to address potential dust in terms of Cultural resources there are some cultural resources identified within the park and those were designed around As part of the master plan and mitigation also included Monitoring by native americans and an archaeologist So a notice of intent to adopt the mitigated negative declaration which included these measures Was posted with these county clerk on april 10th for a 30-day review period The m&b concluded that all the potential impacts of the project would be reduced with the incorporation of mitigation measures And other standard municipal code requirements and city standards So the initial study and mitigated negative declarations prepared In consultation with local state and trustee agencies in accordance with the california environmental quality act all Future actions related to implementation of the master plan Are covered And upon council approval a notice of determination Will be filed with the county clerk and state clearing house for a 30-day period Thank you will I just wanted to touch a little bit on i've received some comments about Trash and the creek recently before we came to council as well as Parking along quanta terrace, and I just want to make sure we're That we're clear. I mean we work with the water department very closely We the water department in turn works with land paths who takes many opportunities to Provide creek restoration as well as cleanup days Water department staff do say that they are out there at least four times a year Our staff are out there quite often I also wanted to remind you of the volunteer groups from the community Are at the park on a regular basis. They do a lot of hard work cleaning up the trail system in the park and Again, this community has done a really tremendous job to get us to this point We've been out working with them for at least four years over the last four years Why we looked on the master plan and then turned it over to will's team and did the environmental analysis So with that it's our recommendation from the transportation and public works department parks division that council by resolution adopt the mitigation mitigated negative declaration And master plan for kawanas breaks community park to include paved trails community garden the portable restroom enclosure parking picnic areas Shade pavilions children's play areas for ages two to five and five to 12 a restroom building bachi courts dog park a bicycle pump track half basketball court table tennis fitness stations volleyball multi-use turf area A pedestrian bridge crosswalks and a loop walking path Thank you. Thank you deputy director council any questions councilmember soyer Thank you, vice mayor. I'm curious any question about storage. I didn't where did the table tennis? Where do the tables go at either at night or when you know in the winter? I didn't see a storage area. I assume it's under one of the in the back of one of the The table tennis equipment that we found is sturdy and heavy and it's permanent So you bring your net and you bring your paddles and you just play ping-pong all day long So you don't have to move the move the tables back and forth And they're really cool-looking. That's great. And that kind of leads to the next question which was are the This is one of the most comprehensive As far as activities one of the most comprehensive parts that i've seen suggested in quite some time And so i'm curious about the maintenance of like the fitness equipment and you just answered the table tennis Are there volunteers in the community that have done such a great job in in coming together and design helping to design this Are they going to be maintained and kind of monitored by the by the by our wonderful volunteers? Or what's the responsibility of the city? We are always actively seeking volunteers and if this is your opportunity that would be wonderful Um, yeah, we we do have similar equipment at bear park and other parks around the community. They are They are designed to take A public environment so they take very little maintenance requirements We're really just at you know at bear just repairing things that do break from time to time They're holding up really well at bear park for instance And we we are one of the things I did i'm just going to tag on to this I forgot to mention too about our funding. We are looking at a plan There's about $900,000 available to develop this park the park is estimated to cost about 19 million dollars to develop So we will be looking at developing portions of it, but at this point we don't have The funding to develop the entire park, but when we do we will look for Well-built equipment that stands the test of time. Thank you and if I may just add to that Although we will very much enjoy the Benefit that may be brought by volunteers Ultimately, it will be the city's responsibility to maintain the park as it is for any of our parks. Thank you councilmember tibbetz Thank you vice mayor One question I had gen was relating to the pump track So I know in northwest we have a really fun pump track and it's maintained by really dedicated Not just a group of volunteers, but I think they're kind of a bona fide nonprofit which gives it I think a little bit Higher level of responsibility and accountability Are we and also as you know when it comes to a pump track? It's dealing with something that's really maintenance intensive And safety issues. So is the group that we're working with in Kwanzaa Springs the same group as northwest It's actually a different group. Um, so it's a more of a A group that looks throughout california for these opportunities But we would look for a local organization. It is not something that the city could necessarily maintain by itself We do we do this in partnership at northwest community park with the group there and that's what we would look for here as well So the who is the group in california that you're working with? You know, I don't have their name, but I can get you there the name that I was working with We do have local the same local interest from this group as well It's just the The california group called me first. So We we would look locally to have it Have the local group be interested and help us develop that and maintain in the future And what recourse do you withhold in the event that volunteers walk away from it? You know, it'd be similar in northwest community park You know, like the city attorney said it falls back to the city for maintenance So it might be a little different and maybe and not as much maintenance to be honest, but it would still be maintained Okay, thanks jim councilmember fleming Yes, thank you vice mayor. I'm curious to know. I'm glad that the part of the mnd Mitigations were public transportation. I'm wondering if you know what the headways were and what number of bus or is that something that could change between now and The way future I want people to be able to get there on the bus the center or the city bus if they can I'm not certain of what the actual headways are but the closest bus stop is At petaluma hill road in kuana springs road and it's within a quarter to a half mile of the park boundary Can you speak to that? The the closest bus stop is at petaluma hill road in kuana springs road. I'm not certain of what the headways are But it that bus stop is located within a quarter to a half mile of this park location So it does provide decent access for people to walk to the park And how many table tennis tables will we be getting for those of us? We'll be out there all day because I imagine I'll be retired by the time this thing gets built and be Be advocating for pickleball in addition to my table tennis habit Right now there are two located on in the master plan But as we go through the process further if there's a lot of participation and interest in it There's always room for more tips. I don't want there to be conflicts over you know people playing all day long All right. Thank you. Great job guys Council member comes any questions? Thank you my my questions were actually already asked and I just want to thank staff for What appears to be a very effective and intense process uh to get us to Through so many design stages to this final design. Thank you All right, I'm going to go ahead and open our public hearing We'll start with dwayne do it followed by arlie hag And I did not actively seek to involve myself in this community of kuana springs business Frequently was mentioned tonight that this community And that's a specific thing So i'm not here to perhaps Try to influence this plan. I'm here to thank mr. Sawyer for asking. What is the responsibility of the city? This is a big 19 million dollar project And yet it has a portable toilet Bear farm has been mentioned tonight here a couple times and that's in my community and I was on the steering committee for that park We were told they were building a permanent restroom there They did It's locked After two years of its dedication people are still using porta potties That's a public health hazard porta potties Shouldn't even be in there for the american disabilities act for a long term situation So i'm hoping that tonight you will get the answers as to whether or not you're going to have The use of porta potties In a large community park in which you're trying to get lots of people to come to For a long time That is a serious issue Another issue that's very serious is that on slide nine. She talks about I should say miss santos talked about First aid was the traditional dot exercises and then slide nine Points out okay in 2015. We came up with this And dot exercises can be manipulated One person can put all their dots on one thing and then you don't have a balance And it doesn't really accurately reflect how a community might want something to be So I think what's really important tonight Is for what 2015 to 2019 came up with they're saying that this community decided upon it. Okay, that's great What we'll need is to make sure that you have that commitment of those volunteers Because a lot of times they're going to fade away And you're going to be on the hook or I should rephrase that The taxpayers are going to be on the hook for the costs of this and you've not even been able to provide for Southwest community park which you've had for over 20 years And place to play For over 20 years and you haven't been able to provide for those things So here you're getting ready to make it another big financial commitment And you don't have the money So please answer mr. Sawyer's question What is the responsibility of the city when you don't have enough dough to do what you want to do on the go Thank you duane arlie followed by carla hebert Yes, hello Arlie haig if any of you heard the rooster crow. I'm sorry. I know that roosters aren't I'm not allowed in santa rosa city It was my phone Good evening City council local and worldwide I Am a community garden manager and I Really love this park in addition to the fact that it has a community garden and I can't tell you the value of what is being done here because This area southeast santa rosa Is really a nice area. It's low income a lot of it, but there are some higher income houses I think this park will attract almost everyone from these neighborhoods And I don't think there's going to be a problem with getting there Right now a lot of people go up to the taylor mountain regional This is close. So it's a really good draw And I'm so happy that it's being proposed and I hope it gets passed and approved I just want to say that I've been involved with the meetings and the Different amenities and I know a lot of people that will go to each one of these because I've been in that neighborhood for since 88 And I've been waiting for this park for about five or six years I Had that koana community garden over at the koana school We had that for about 10 years And then the school wanted to Have a preschool complex. So we had to move a lot of the people from that garden went over to The south park community garden that I I also manage And they're waiting for this to come back So they can be and and one of our major gardeners lived right across the street from it. So I'm so happy about that And I just want to thank jen santos for sticking to this My name spelled wrong guys I notice up there spelled wrong um So anyway, please approve this And I think that It will really benefit climate change for one Um anything to do with preserving the health of the soil Is important Okay, thanks Thank you so much. Arlie karla followed by kendra holmes Karla Okay kendra holmes followed by mary ann wakefield Hello, my name is kendra holmes. I'm an original owner in the koana springs development My house is actually on mida, which is the west Wall of the park and right now if you Follow koana springs terrace all the way to mount taylor You can see the rvs the homeless rvs that people were talking about earlier You can see drug deals and you can see prostitution It's a major issue over there and I call on a regular basis and the police don't even come So my concern is that they're going to build this park and these issues are going to be a part of the park And no one's going to come and do anything about it Thank you Thank you. Kendra mary ann followed by linda shehan Hi, I I live right on the Corner of mida and koana springs and i've been there for about 10 years I retired in this area Moved to sonoma county and thought it was a great place to be and my concern is this park I've been to these two the meetings that I could attend the very first one Where all the dots were processed To me was confusing We had a group of people there attending that meeting And they thought that they had free reign to what this park should be incorporating There are a lot of things on this agenda or this planning that shouldn't be there There's no need for a bunch of or two places for picnic benches as an example I don't can't tell you how many times i've called the police out You know watching somebody homeless park in either the front of my home or across the street where you're going to have the park Either homeless teenage kids smoking pot doing drugs I have woken up in the middle of the night having People wander around out there Playing on drums and and loud music and we don't even have a park there They're accessing the park the park area From koana springs or walking down marita mida And even the review of of the impact in the community I'm really curious since that was done was that done prior to all the New development that's already taken place or that's taken place in the last couple years Right on koana springs and pedal on the hills. You've got the Buildings and then even now more structures That are being put up and I don't know how many are in that particular corner But that's all going to have an impact I call the police periodically I call them more to be honest but 90% of the time that I feel like I should be calling somebody I know that they've seen me and I'm afraid That if a police officer shows up in front of my home, they're going to know that I'm the one that's called I'm right there on that creek edge I see the kids go underneath the bridge. I see them You know, they they rob I found wallet a wallet that didn't belong to anybody that was stolen a stolen stolen things So they go under there even a cell phone that belonged to an officer I picked up the cell phone. It was sitting on the bridge made the phone call Ironically the person didn't lock their phone But it was a santa rosa police officer and said thank you for calling me and letting me know that's sitting here He says we had a robbery downtown santa rosa And the robber ended up taking my phone. So where did they go? They went in my front yard So I don't really want to see a big park there. It's dangerous Thank you, Mary Ann Linda And I'm slightly deaf. So my speech may not be very clear. I hope you'll bear with me Um, the reason that I'm interested in this park is kind of unusual. I've been really Looking for information on your earthquake preparedness in this city since I've been here I've been living here five years and I've been really interested the fires made me even more interested Um, we haven't had a major earthquake and one is coming And I have water and they say that it may be up to six weeks before we have Help from the outside when a major earthquake happened I look at the water situation there and I go it's What if the electricity is down? How will we get water now on my property? I can't store for each individual six weeks of water I don't know very many people who even have a couple of days worth of water We have so much water right underneath us everywhere We go that it's kind of ridiculous that we don't have some pump stations at our park That could be emergency water for us if we needed it We have 200,000 people in this city Who are going to need water if there's a major earthquake? And we don't have the power or any backup to give us that water we need Most of us will have the food we need, but we will not have the water we need It would be very easy if in every park We have a pump station a hand manual pump station where people can come and get water if they need it And so it's a wonderful park. I think they did a great job But I think they need to add one more thing to it And it's not something we may need tomorrow or the next day, but I tell you if we ever do need it We are going to be so thankful if someone put that small funding in there because it wouldn't cost that much to put pumping stations in our park for that kind of emergency And last but not least, I love this city. I love the people who love the homeless I love the people who who put up with it all You've shown a great deal of courage putting up with this homeless situation. You don't just throw them in jail You care about the people. I think that's wonderful But we do need toilets We need toilets everywhere. It's a health concern for us all You know, there are great Arrays and disease and trouble if people don't have a place to do it You can't condemn somebody for taking a dump somewhere if there's no place to take a dump And so the park I worry about temporary toilets because anything that is temporary and can go with the Nittany Everybody's complaining that their toilets Are there and wrong the homeless? Is there anybody else who'd like to speak on this item? Go ahead There you go I live on Kiwana Terrace just up where all of the construction is going on Right across from where the children's village used to be I walked past both your houses several times a week um, I actually I'm happy about the park. I'm excited about the park for the reasons of Potential cleanup Everything that they said is true I have three granddaughters that I do not allow in my own front yard to play and I've got a rail fence out front because of the speeding and The youth that are up there that the the lady spoke of Is a daily around the clock problem. I have called it in. I've talked to hank about it before he retired um I put some information on your forum When it was offered I'm excited about the park to have a place to go I want to know how the city is going to partner with the the proposal to Keep crime down to keep Get rid of the rvs because I mean I I don't want to bring my kids down there by myself without my husband um I don't walk to Kiwana Springs or to Taylor park Taylor mountain by myself anymore. I can't walk from my house across from the children's village Up to Taylor mountain, which was one of the Attractions to find that home two and a half years ago my home's about 59 years old One of the first homes it was in the neighborhood and all of the other neighbors that I live around feel the same way I Literally wanted to go buy spike strips and put them in front of my yard To keep these teenagers and people from driving at least 60 miles an hour past my house Every day Every day I've been out there doing yard work and had to come back up under my sidewalk because of the speeding I think a site a cross not a crosswalk, but a stop sign needs to be where Mita is um I mean I've I've had to Take in my three grandkids one of them in a stroller and I mean I don't do it anymore. It's not safe The speeding is out of control I don't see police cars there very often and I know several of the policemen that say that they've gone over there and it's fine But they're going past where all of the stuff is going on Going up and checking the parking lot and coming back down It's illegal to drink and drive right But they're getting high and then they're driving and they're speeding past my house And it's not safe. So how is how? The RVs that are over there now where where are they going to go when you do all your cleanup and you move your boulders Sorry, thank you. Thank you so much. Could you give your name one more time so that staff can reflect it in a minute? I will give it to her great. Thank you so much Is there anybody else who'd like to speak on this item? All right, I'm going to close the public hearing and bring it back to the council Are there any additional questions for staff? All right councilmember tippants do you want to put a motion on the table? I move resolution of the council of the city of santa rosa adopting a mitigated negative declaration including a mitigation monitoring and reporting program for quanta springs community park to include paved trails community garden with portable restroom enclosure Parking picnic areas shade pavilions children's play areas for ages two to five and five to twelve restroom building bachi courts dog park bicycle pump track Half basketball court table tennis fitness stations volleyball multi-use turf area pedestrian bridge crosswalks and looped walking paths And adopting the quanta springs community park master plan and wave for the reading of the text second All right. Are any comments from council? Councilmember comes do you have any comments? No, just to thank staff for bringing it forward and to thank arlie haig for her continued work on community gardens in our area I think that was I sag Based on what was on the overhead, but thank you arlie with that. We'll go ahead and go to a vote Vice mayor roger is your vote? I councilmember combs councilmember fleming I councilmember oliveris I councilmember soyer I councilmember tidbits I So that will pass unanimously. Thank you so much deputy director So we as we announced earlier in the night Item 14.4 has been pulled and held until next week Where we will hear it then we are going to take a quick 20 minute break from the council We've got about an hour and a half of of commentary and public comment on the item 14.3 So we will come back at 750 And we're back Mr. McGlynn at 14.3 item 14.3 public hearing ordinance introduction ordinance of the council of the city of san aroza modifying chapter 18-33 to adopt by reference with local amendments the 2019 california energy code title 24 Part six of the building standards code all electric reach code and resolution setting a public hearing for adoption of the ordinance jesse oswald presenting Good evening. Thank you So some of this information is going to look familiar. We've talked about it several times Some background on where the code comes from we'll we'll specifically make sure it's clear that this is Only addressing the california energy code portion of the code adoption And locally known as a reach code because we're adopting We're proposing an option of more stringent requirements than the state proposes so California building standards commission every three years Publishes new codes based on international codes and here we are. This is the the sequencing time of year time of the cycle to do it The codes the energy code is a statewide standard that all public and private building construction in california will adhere to the 2019 energy code is Became actually officially published from the building standards commission and the the california energy commission july 1st So we've had this much time to actually go through the code and review what what it actually means So specifically if we adopt this code, it would be effective july or january 1st 2020 The the energy code adoption if we if we implement more strict Standards than the base requirement has has a very specific Charge that local local jurisdictions if they amend the energy code to be more stringent We have to make the finding that the amendments The amendments are supported with analysis showing that the proposed local standard Will be more energy efficient and be cost effective This is just a highlight the california energy code is one portion of the overall 11 part code series Some of the items that will be coming in with the adoption of the 2019 california energy code without local amendments these changes will occur. These are some highlighted items Lighting efficiencies are increased yet again, which they were already pretty pretty efficient We will no longer likely see Anything less than two by six exterior wall framing there were methods and pass codes to be able to do what was called performance To be able to do different types of measures to maybe do two by four framing So this is now going to almost dictate two by six exterior wall framing due to the high energy efficient insulation Doors will be addressed for the first time in the codes oddly enough Windows have been addressed for energy efficiency for a long time doors never were Um certain specific quality inspections will be required on most energy efficiency items in new construction It this continues to evolve to where third party inspections are now uh, going to be more and more commonplace Photovoltaic known as solar will be required Prescriptively in other words, it's a base requirement of the code on all new low rise residential construction low rise meaning three stories and below residential And natural gas is not eliminated from the base code. It is still part of the efficiency package This slide represents, uh, the california energy commission's analysis for the actual base code adoption This is not including the reach code, which we will be discussing They say that the uh, they Through the analysis have indicated that the Initial cost is an additional $9,500 for a single family home And the payback is $19,000 over a 30 year mortgage. This was through the cost analysis that the state did So some basics of a reach code as we've discussed a little bit in the past The code regulation sets building coded standards for all jurisdictions. They're what we call typically the base code Our local governments can adopt more stringent requirements not just for the energy code, but any of the codes specific to energy They have to be proven to be cost effective They're required to have the public process And if we were to adopt a reach code every time we want to continue a reach code We have to go through the process of public engagement and re-analysis cost cost effectiveness and more energy efficient than the base code So the options that we discussed in our one of our preliminary climate action subcommittees These were the three options present presented the all-electric ready Which is essentially pre-wiring the house or the the building if it if it's a duplex or what what have you To be ready to convert to all-electric but still they have the option to install gas They they have the 100% choice and there's no analysis that show any reduction in greenhouse gas because you just don't know when this may happen The all-electric favorite is kind of the middle tier It allows for the choice for a gas field appliances either gas or propane But the trade-off is if you go with a gas appliance You have to increase the efficiency. What's commonly known as the cow green tier one 10 to 20 more efficiency and other measures in the home So you do a trade-off for each appliance of the typical four appliances You increase the efficiency in some other element or elements to equal the efficiency lost by going with gas And then the third option that Is before you is the all-electric reach Which again requires all electric only no natural gas or propane for the primary appliances in the home In other words the homes would not be plumbed with natural gas or propane Here's our carbon dioxide analysis that was done Through the our partners in Bay Area Regional Climate Protection Authority Sonoma clean power and our other agencies that tells what our basic 2016 code which we are currently under shows in the just over 3.5 metric tons of carbon dioxide The 2019 proposed codes drop that just the base codes with no amendments drops that down to just around three Then if we go to the Higher efficiency 2019 codes that are coming We still get a better reduction and then the all-electric only shows the significant reduction in carbon dioxide Production for maintaining a home So on the right we have the partners that we've worked with to gather all the technical information the cost studies worked with the california energy commission california building standards commission So the cost analysis was required it is required for the adoption of a code a reach code So it was reviewed by these agencies and it has been accepted by the california energy commission So that that has become the basis for us being able to tell the energy commission and the building standards commission That we meet their requirements because they they have already reviewed this and and we're comfortable On a state level to be able to present this This breaks down the actual cost effectiveness study that was that was performed regionally With partnering jurisdictions and our our Climate protection partners showing that essentially the $6,171 in cost savings and this is this is generally across the state of california It's not specific to any one jurisdiction. So they've taken into account the entire state Uh a matter of interest has been presented a few times during our study sessions And uh other meetings Assembly bill 178 was signed by the governor in september And essentially it boils down to it exempts Homes that would normally be required to install photovoltaic solar systems, which is coming in the base code Regardless of what we do here It exempts them from having to install those the I read the background on the law the proposal is targeted to Relieve some of the costs with complying with code measures for rebuilding in declared emergencies so this cost effectiveness Study that we've used Only analyzed Through the entirety of the state The installation of photovoltaic systems as part of the energy efficiency. So by proxy This allowance by the governor Will exempt rebuilds from the all-electric reach codes And I I do have support from our partners in the analysis of this So some of our outreach that we've we've performed on the left We have our typical monthly building officials riko redwood empire associated of code officials that we meet monthly We have a list of those counties and and jurisdictions that we meet with continually discussing codes And the adoptions and and amendments and trying to as much as possible Show some consistency across jurisdictions. So we're not standing out out on our own Some other meetings that we've had we do have a regular north coast builders exchange meeting was targeted With the rebuild in mind, but we've had a great forum with several builders and the and the builders exchange over Gosh a year and a half now. They've been a great conduit for us coffee strong meeting We always get a lot of interest in those meetings We bring them everything that we bring with to every meeting also the standing home Meeting for the coffee neighborhoods We also did a forum with the redwood empire remodelers association Last month. I believe it was a great turn out there And then our other public outreach specifically targeting full public participation The first meeting with the climate action subject committee was in june And we had our study session with both building and fire codes in july another Event put on by the north coast builders exchange which brought up a pretty large crowd The the title was what the what do these codes essentially there's reach codes mean to you Another climate action subcommittee in september Build a round table, which was really well attended out at the ufo in september as well And then we did that last study session in september For building and fire code adoption This is just a list it indicates 50. This is of course course not 50 We have an updated list that we can provide you for cities that have actually adopted or taken first steps in adopting some sort of a reach code it as we evolve in our discussions and in Potential adoptions of codes other jurisdictions are watching us and we're watching them as well so Planning and economic economic development environment. That's a mouthful Uh Recommends that the city council introduce an ordinance adopting by reference to 2019 california energy code california code of regulations title 24 part 6 As adopted and amended by the state of california and further amended based on local conditions for use in chapter 18-33 of the center santa rosa city code To modify the santa rosa city code to reflect the new model code Introduce an ordinance adopting by reference with local amendments the 2019 california energy code And adopt by resolution setting a public hearing for adoption of the ordinances And we believe for december 3rd Thank you David i'm going to start asking you a question One of the main requirements in here. That's obviously a lynch pin is the cost effectiveness Uh analysis and I noticed that in two different places. We have two different Criteria one it says over the life of the mortgage and that seems to be on the state's requirements that are coming in That will obviously discuss more fully next week Uh, you know, it shows that even with the photovoltaic systems coming in that over the life of the 30-year mortgage it would save 9500 Excuse me 19 thousand dollars Then obviously we look at it on the reach side Which is the one-time expense of the construction of the gas versus not having it Can you talk a little bit about the distinction between how cost-effective is defined and how this meets that criteria? Sure, and just to can jump in here too. Um, if you want the the first one you mentioned was again for the base code which Is defined by the state. I'm looking at what those what those improvements will do to a homeowner's annual electricity bill by reducing their energy consumption, but also the energy loss in a home So that's what this graph represents So that's that that 19 thousand dollars of savings is is primarily over the cost to the individual homeowner On the flip side when we start looking at the Cost-effectiveness study and the rationale that we have to provide the state to even have the conversation we're having tonight Is to show that the the reach code elements do Show it's cost-effective, but also um has a reduction in greenhouse gases So we did show the greenhouse gas reduction element slide before this the second is this and this is actually just the infrastructure So it doesn't take into account the ongoing savings to the homeowner. This is the cost to building construct And so as jesse mentioned, this is Average over the state and they look at four things really reach code is looking at four appliances is the heating and cooling the Water heating dryers and cooking and so those are the four appliances you can see here really There's no cost difference in most of the appliances that's a little bit in the heat pump From moving from a typical heating cooling system the cost where they're showing the savings is really the The infrastructure putting the gas lines in so not having to put those lines in shows net reduction in that one-time cost So that's the that's how we have to prove to the state And is this actually this study came from the state and that's Again, one of the reasons you're seeing us to have this conversation But also a lot of jurisdictions around the state having this conversation Because now there is a study that has been done to show this number that allows us to look at By moving these these items forward and and debating them. So Again, I think the clarification to your point The first one really represents the cost of the homeowner and this one represents the cost to the construction Which ultimately does get passed on to the homeowner on through the construction process Okay, great. Thank you so much. So then this analysis Folks should become familiar with it because I assume Those 50 jurisdictions that are looking at this are all looking at the same numbers then that's correct. And we're all using the same data So I think there was an issue up in Windsor of a threatened lawsuit related to this Can you speak to where that sits and how that might impact santa rosa? Um certainly the Santa Rosa we did receive a letter very similar to the letter that was received in Windsor We have reviewed that we have put together a full response And we find that there is no merit to a lawsuit under California Environmental Quality Act again I should have specified right at the outset that that was the basis for the lawsuit Or potential lawsuit up in Windsor, but we have reviewed all that we have put together materials and we were very confident That that there are no issues that would Lead to us any successful litigation I appreciate that and I I appreciate the clarification that it was on sequa Not based on the cost Correct right Have we as a city and as staff started to contemplate the implications of Moving to the all electric Given the concerns about the energization and the public safety power shutoffs Yes, so that's obviously a big conversation that's happening One of the things that we've looked at is what what currently However, it's currently impacted. So one of the things we're finding and we heard quite a bit is a lot of appliances Now any of the new appliances being installed have electric starters. So even people with gas were affected by the power shutoffs So one of the things that we're we're evaluating is what is that long-term resilience look like from regardless if you're on gas or electricity How do we address that as a community? And that's something that we're going to be looking at with effort not with working with urban Uli Urban Land Institute And our the county as a whole Um, how does our electrical grid system look from a sustainable standpoint or long-term resilience standpoint? But as I mentioned this, I think that's an issue regardless of of this Decision tonight because even with this decision tonight, we still have a large portion of our population that Will remain on the existing infrastructure the existing gas system the existing electrical grid that we have to address So it's definitely top of mind and something that we'll be looking at over the next year or so Yeah, so regardless of how the council votes will end up needing a full response to the public policy challenge that's been presented great Jesse if I could just So what I heard from you is It's cheaper Rebuilds are exempted Correct correct Existing homes are not impacted. Correct Anything that is built that is Above four store four stories are above is not impacted. Correct. Right. Thank you so much councilor. Are there any additional questions? councilmember fleming Thank you for doing a robust community engagement Can you speak to your experience with uh folks in the fountain grove area? I'm making i'm wondering if they're clear on that this would not affect their rebuilds and also in happy hidden valley It's been a little more challenging with the engagement with the found grove community We haven't had any engagement with them for a few months the last ones. I think that we were at the same ones We do work through our builders that we we meet with on a regular basis. So they are carrying the message forward for us But they have They're they're very Not shy about discussing what they're built with their builders what they want and don't they're not shy folks But i'm just wondering if we had given them a similar Outreach or courtesy That we have and I can say that all of our outreaches were Broadcast through the entire city and region so we didn't isolate to any specific rebuilds or otherwise Glad to hear it. Thank you Okay, as I mentioned we have quite a few cards on this so I will open the public hearing I'm going to ask folks to limit your comments to two minutes and uh feel free to not take up all of that So we'll start with andy fergusson followed by laura niche council I'm andy fergusson. I'd like to two minutes is a short time, but I'd like to say Uh, I tell you that in my career I worked as a engineer And I speak asian languages so I spent a lot of that in asia When I was freezing to death in northern some northern place in japan or china I tumbled I learned about heat pumps And when I came back to the united states, I decided that in order to You know go green with panels with solar panels. I should put in heat pumps too My second career after working as a Engineer in asia was as a builder I built apartment buildings And I also purchased apartment buildings And I did all of those at a full electric 100 electric basis I installed heat pumps in the units And they turned out to be the best investment I could have made not only the tenants love them because they have both heating and cooling They're far less expensive to operate And it was a very good business decision for me to do that I joined the american geophysical union in order to learn more about climate science And I've been going to their conventions of 20 000 scientists in san francisco every year the fall meeting in december At those places i've learned about the severe threat that methane represents in the climate I have a quick graphic to show you about that This graphic the top one this graphic shows the total impact of carbon dioxide and methane on the climate The top line is the impact of carbon dioxide on global warming and climate change The bottom line is the impact of methane The difference is and for policy makers is that we can stop Putting methane into the atmosphere and make a real difference carbon dioxide will be there for 300 years But the methane 20, thank you. Thank you so much laura niche followed by kevin conway Uh laura is not here i'll put her card off to the side kevin followed by jeff stewart Uh kevin conway with friends of the climate action plan There I was really glad to hear a city attorney gallagher mentioned that She felt confident about lawsuits related to sequa I have heard that there's talk about another type of lawsuit a slap lawsuit strategic lawsuit against public participation These lawsuits against cities trying to protect their citizens against the ravages of climate change Should be seen as ridiculous as a lawsuit against our government for trying to protect us against terrorism Any money that we save by avoiding such a lawsuit won't mean much in light of the money that we're going to be spending trying to recover From the ongoing catastrophes that our cities already face and will continue to face As this crisis gets worse Let's face it. No terrorism Our terrorist group could ever threaten our city and and the world more than the climate crisis does And no lawsuit should ever deter us from doing what is right and what has to be done I wanted to thank council member tibets for mentioning the oakmont village association working on a micro grid And his encouraging of the climate action subcommittee to follow their progress on that I would like to see our climate action subcommittee meet At least on a monthly basis Since the committee was established during the goal setting sessions in the beginning of the year Of they've only met three times and here we are in November. So it feels like we're not really acting as though we're We're in a crisis and I'd like to see that change. Thank you. Thank you, sir So jeff stewart followed by deborah Good evening. My name is jeff stewart. I'm President of bluestar gas a local propane distributor Been a business 81 years I'm a third generation in the business As a business owner in san rosa and a longtime resident who Like with all of us experienced power shutoffs and forced evacuations energy security is extremely important Energy security comes from energy diversity And unless there are redundant systems in place no amount of electricity Renewable or conventional will provide the certainty that the residents of the city san rosa require To provide adequate protection of lives safety and health in disaster settings Energy is more than just a convenience for some power is a critical necessity Propane and natural gas provide life sustaining energy for our elderly population For oxygen generators or those that require charging of wheelchairs Firefighters use propane to power their basecams to cook food wash clothes Take out showers cell phone towers rely on propane as backup power hospitals water treatment facilities Electric utility and even electric utilities city of san rosa uses propane as backup power for the sewage lift stations So help me understand city council members Why you would allow and require energy diversity For the most critical city infrastructure needs Will not provide the same level of energy security options to our citizens If the council adopts this reach code You will be eliminating customer choice of critical alternative energy redundancy And requiring infrastructure and electricity that is an unreliable single point of failure And requiring more expensive to the tune of set $1,000 a year more for electricity Thank you, sir Debra followed by peter gang Debra Okay, we'll go with peter followed by tony white Good evening Vice mayor Council members. My name is pete gang. I am a builder architect um I've been at this game for Nearly 40 years And I just wanted to say like all the other builders who I assume are in the room The whole design community when I started out in my career Natural gas was the the clean safe alternative. We were doing everything we could To heat cool power our build not cool, but heat power our buildings with natural gas and move away from electricity back then we knew very little about the climate crisis and We times have changed Slowly over the last several years We have learned about the climate crisis and to say that we have underestimated its Scope and reach is itself a huge understatement over the last 10 years or so we have learned about The human caused greenhouse gas The human caused greenhouse gases and more recently we now know that methane Which is the primary component of natural gas Is itself A potent greenhouse gas Which on an annual basis is over a hundred times More damaging than co2 That Doesn't get much airplay, but that is one of the main motivations behind us Wanting to get away from natural gas and move toward all electric. Thank you Thank you. Peter tony white followed by howlbeck He'll be followed by amy bolton I'm Disappointed tony white isn't here. I was hoping to hear what he had to say Personally i'm Understand this is probably a done deal I personally can't see a single reason why the center was a city council would prohibit Natural gas hookups for new connections Electro electrical energy is not reliable. I think we all have seen that over the last couple of months I think we're going to continue to see it Natural gas propane are Those who had gas or propane could took in heat during those cutoffs those who did not could not Electric energy is not carbon neutral. It's not carbon free. I always enjoy those emission free stickers on the cars It kind of is just like People who believe that milk comes from the grocery store. You had a nice house there in one of your graphics showing The The emissions coming off of that house Gas versus electric and then are the power lines going back didn't show the power lines that create emissions that A year ago with a campfire Gave us the worst air quality in the bay area in the world We were ahead of pecking and we were ahead of Mumbai and it wasn't caused by It certainly wasn't caused by cows farting methane. It was caused by the transmission of electricity So that that that graphic that shows this is how the efficiency of the house is Is doesn't include the transmission and the risk that go with it We've been using fire For what 500,000 maybe two million years That's how we learned to cook and heat our caves. That's been our basic source It has a lot to create a civilization And chefs don't use electric cooking. We use natural gas Electric cooking is for hot plates Find electricity as a reliable source that could cost your life Thank you. Amy Bolton followed by ben granholm Hey, good. Good evening Amy Bolton, I'm with christopher some builders. I'm here partially in that capacity and partially as a resident lifelong of san rosa New homes built today as I mentioned are light years ahead of energy efficiency new homes construction Which are a teeny tiny sliver of our housing stock light years ahead of energy efficiency Then existing housing stock and the new 220 energy codes are going to increase that by half Like so these houses are already going to be so incredibly efficient Um In synomically empower offers really great incentives. It's great program over to have people go all electric if they want to But here's the point Okay Um Here here's the point where this gets a little personal, you know, we do talk to a lot of our customers And I know that the rebuilds are exempt from this which is which is great. You can feel better, but um They also represent the sentiment of just the general public who are going to be looking to buy new homes and I have to tell you like Most of them are very not happy about the thought of having this crammed on their throat Not being able to have you know a gas um A gas stove or a gas water heater or whatever So that could be an issue in the future and then also yeah during the last power outages My whole neighborhood we were out for a week And i'm telling you without having the hot water and being able to cook on our stove just use a little lighter And um the little you know gas Burn it the little gas fireplace we have it would have been miserable with two kids I mean it was just a horrible quality of life. And so I wouldn't be surprised if the state looks at revising that and just given the fact this is our new reality Um, I really do think we should think twice about pushing this so quickly so fast Thanks. Thank you. Amy Ben followed by joy I apologize. Alaphia Uh, good evening. Mr. Vice mayor and council members. My name is ben granholm of the western propane gas association Thank you for the opportunity to comment this evening Wpga supports clean energy However, we do believe that the all-electric reach code before you this evening is fundamentally flawed Uh specifically the inclusion of propane in the definition of all electric building or design And the propane industry is proud of the role that we play in providing a low-cost clean energy to rural communities When we look at the electricity pricing forecast provided by california regulatory agencies It's pretty evident that their work does not factor in the fragility of california's electric grid and other infrastructure and liability costs That are ultimately passed on to ratepayers PG new has recently granted the ability to increase rates 23 percent over the next three years Uh and electricity prices are going to continue to skyrocket While rate payers are left with an unstable and unreliable electrical electrical grid and energy source Uh, whereas propane can provide clean energy uninterrupted At a cheaper rate than electricity Over the past couple months, we've seen millions of residents across california many of which were right here in santa rosa Left in the dark due to power safety shutoffs These occurrences which are expected to continue for at least the next 10 years or a prime example Is why relying on a single energy source is dangerous and unacceptably risky Uh clean energy solutions should not have to compete against one another when they can often complement each other In order for solar to be successful It needs to have backup power and battery storage is not yet mature as price and performance very wildly Costing tens of thousands of dollars Lastly, I'd like to question the report that it's cheaper to build an electric home versus gas This analysis does not factor in the cost for fitting a new home for propane There's no significant price differential between building and propane Thank you, sir joy followed by alex gallard day art addressing climate change should not be a contentious dichotomous discussion We should not demonize one clean energy solution while favoring another Instead, we should look at the science And hopefully address climate change Look at the full energy cycle not just an elitist lens that pushes the greenhouse gas emission burdens to another community I'd like to emphasize that propane is not methane Again propane is not methane Renewable propane is just one of the innovations at your disposal to fight climate change an e3 report used to inform the cc list Renewable gas as carbon neutral carb has also identified renewable propane is on par or having a lower carbon footprint than electricity Look at the report from dr. Ernest monies Physicist and former energy secretary under barack obama The gist of his report is all clean fuels including renewable gaseous fuels must effectively be used to address climate change There is an additional challenge with an electric only proposition cal iso Cal iso electric grid operators advise that the state's backup power supply is in danger of being depleted in 2020 Requiring more polluted electricity from other out-of-state or dirtier in-state Plants adopting this plan would willingly create an energy desert for santa rosa residents rather than the community Rather than committing the city to adopting a well-intentioned but deeply premature highly risky solar energy proposition all energy Solutions must be embraced I submit that perhaps propane was not properly evaluated. This is why san luis abispo Elected to exclude propane from the proposition Santa rosa cannot afford a symbolic gesture For clean energy. I humbly would also submit that the staff proposal to look at wildfire resilience should be unacceptable To santa rosa residents. Thank you Thank you. Alex followed by chris thompson Good evening council members. My name is alex collard. I am a santa rosa resident and an employee of bluestar gas Despite the colossal nightmare our region recently experienced with wildfires and blackouts the city Santa rosa city council is blindly pushing ahead with the proposal to create a precedent for an all-electric community This well-intentioned but misinformed drive to electrify everything will reap a harvest of regret and deprivation While exposing citizens to otherwise avoidable life and death risks If implemented the policy could literally lead to untold fatalities and worst-case scenarios Especially for those who rely on life-sustaining medical equipment The proposal is devoid of common sense and ignores the fact that electrifying everything creates a single point of failure with no plan b The council needs to step back from the precipice and consider the following realities One electricity is not a silver bullet It is dangerous to assume that all buildings and homes should be electric only because every other type of energy is somehow bad The reality is that the act of generating electricity creates 16 percent of the state's greenhouse gas emissions two Energy diversity is vital. It is a risky proposition to put all the energy eggs in a single basket From grid failures to hackers califering would be highly vulnerable to blackouts without any other options Three buildings are just a small source of greenhouse gas emissions The california air resource board estimates that the building sector accounts for just nine percent of the state's total greenhouse gas Emissions today at best total electrification of the residential sector would only decrease total greenhouse gas emissions by about two percent And four the council ignores the environmental values of alternative fuels such as propane Propane is a decentralized source. It is not susceptible to wildfire Preparedness shutoffs propane is the only energy source to provide reliable sustainable backup power Propane is becoming even more sustainable with the introduction of renewable propane. Thank you for your time Chris thompson followed by keith woods Good evening. My name is chris thompson and i'm the vice chair of the oakmont democratic club The kinkade fire and pgne power shutoff of a few weeks ago Marks the third year in a row that we here in sonoma county have experienced california fire emergencies It is clear that our community is indeed very vulnerable to the disastrous effects of global climate change But we are not helpless Today we can take an important step in fighting this climate emergency By implementing the electric reach code for new housing This code will help ensure that by using only electric appliances in new homes and multi-story Residences of four stories or less We eliminate the need for natural gas A dangerous Contributor to greenhouse gases as the methane present in natural gas worsens The already deadly effects of carbon dioxide in our air While some argue that the reach code costs too much and limits building choices. We see that in 2019 this claim is no longer valid science warns us That we have less than 10 years to address the climate tipping point We are in a state of emergency We are running out of time Electric homes are the future we need for ourselves and especially For our children and our grandchildren Thank you Thank you, keith woods followed by craig losses Thank you keith woods. I'm the ceo of uh, north coast builders exchange. We have close to 900 Builders so I get a near full on this and the pros and the cons and uh overwhelmingly Our position is this is just too much for too little results. This will make you feel good It sounds good, but I hope you'll make fact-based decisions Rather than emotion-based decisions This is my fourth entity that now I've uh, I've been at meetings. So one in Windsor. It was a dub fudge sam salmon railroad Facts be damned the propaganda that was put out by Sonoma clean power and the climate authority was all they needed to hear I went up to heelsburg. They've taken a middle ground The middle ground is they they wanted a carrot and a stick The uh, they took the all electric favored meaning you will have gas and electric hookup But you need to offset the gas with high energy efficiency appliances for Heating and for water But you'll still be able to have your cooking and your fireplace because they realize those future home buyers Are not going to like this trust me and trust the builders in the room who can tell you this is not a popular concept And if you do think it's that great We'll put it on the ballot and make it mandatory for retrofitting all of them if it's that hot of an idea I went to the county today and the supervisors decided, you know what? That there's enough there's too much. We don't know about this and so they've deferred it They adopted the state codes, but they have deferred this decision and said come back later Let's give homeowners a chance more than five or six weeks to be able to To get a home started Finally, um the article that was in the press democrat called all electric's time will come But it isn't here yet ought to be mandatory reading by those who be in the decision making Thank you. Keith craig Lawson followed by Keith. It's christ officer Mr. Vice mayor members of the council By the way, I gave a handout cheese. I think I'm going to pass it out to you right now It's a really big handwriting. So it's really easy to read There are 11,502,870 households in the state of california On average, we build about 80,000 new homes in the state of california So that means That 0.0069 Percent of new housing stock is contributing to the overall housing stock New homes utilize 96 percent efficient Furnaces and water heaters seal combustion condensing type as mandated by the current energy codes 87 percent of the housing stock in california was built prior to 1980 In 1978 the california energy commission came into existence and started developing new standards Which we all live by today Homes built prior to 1980 have 78 percent or worse efficient furnaces 67 percent or worse efficient water heaters simple bath New homes are therefore producing 0.0016 percent of greenhouse gases That's one ten thousandth of one percent By the way, I provided some housing statistics by fuel type for you for reading Finally the residential Housing contributes seven percent of the greenhouse gases in the state of california is not accurate The the quote of 27 percent report was was not accurate My references are all from the california air resources board from august It would seem to me by focusing your energy on efforts on industrial and transportation Cost effective one ten thousandth of one percent. Thank you, sir. Keith christofferson followed by tom conlon What I have to address is Already been put in front of you tonight But I'd like to reemphasize we're working with all the only people working for our rebuild clients and We've had lengthy discussions with with the people we're building for and the people we will be building for this is over There's over a hundred families well over a hundred families And uh keith woods talked about uh heelsburg and what what keith's Said about the concern being the the cooking Pardon me the cooking and the fireplace Is absolutely correct. The only thing that he missed was barbecues And so really if people want the gas for for their cooking they want it for their barbecues and they want for their fireplaces It's really that simple and I think there's a there's a A public education process that needs to be gone through I have no doubt in my mind that the future is going to be electric for heat and uh For water and and all of the other utilities, but There's there is such a lack of Of knowledge within the general public that this is a very hard sell and it's uh It's backing people feel like they're being backed into a corner And I think that the next step needs to be this public information program. Thank you Thank you tom conlon followed by brice paddison Thank you tom conlon Sierra clubs and oma group First I want to thank staff and the climate action subcommittee for all the hard work that I know has gone into this over the past six months at least um, and especially your pains at Reflecting the diversity opinion, you know going out and expanding your outreach when concerns rose But then remaining focused on the facts and not bogged down by some of the fears you hear expressed in the room tonight If any community has received the memo that the age of business as usual is over it is this one It is this city So i want to thank you in advance for your vote tonight in support of the all electric reach code In the great scope of things this is actually a pretty easy vote for you to take because the building sector is performing pretty well And it's precisely because we are asking a lot of our builders Every three years we ask them to adopt the new technologies that are coming out of our amazing innovation economy And they do it and they do it successfully And we appreciate their their efforts And this is this is what we have in front of us tonight is that the All electric era is going here and by the way the cost effectiveness study that misty bruceary has done for you I was in class with misty. It's an old state university about 27 28 years ago And there's no one I can think of more qualified or more has more integrity to do a cost study like the one in front of you tonight Now you've also heard complaints that somehow propane Is a clean fuel That is simply not true propane is a fossil fuel It leaks I think in in many ways because it's so distributed Distribution system the leakage in the propane system. We don't even know what it is the research frankly hasn't been done because Propane is such an insignificant amount of the entire energy profile So I just hope the prop the ab 178 exemption people aren't too angry that they didn't Thank you, sir, brice paddison followed by amy writer Good evening. My name is brice paddison. I'm the ceo of associated propane And we service the santa rosa area I'd like to share with you some benefits of propane as a clean alternative energy source Climate change is a complex challenge and there's no silver bullet Wind solar and renewable propane We'll all have to factor in the equation of how to combat one of the most critical issues of our time As we have seen over the past couple weeks with the power safety shutoffs Over two million people were impacted and many of those who live in all electric homes and drive electric vehicles Were stranded with no power and no transportation By going all electric You're putting all your eggs in one basket and putting an incredible strain on an already unreliable electric grid Just two weeks ago pg and e ceo bill johnson advised the puc That it could take 10 years to fully strengthen the grid to the point where shutoffs are minimal This community cannot afford to have interrupted power for 10 years Propane customers have reliable power We heard from countless propane Users who reported how thankful they were for their propane generator Which provided continuous power for them in the face of blackouts I wish to share a couple propane stories and testimonials A customer named george shared and I quote last year after I was out of power for six days I was frustrated I bought a 30 kilowatt generator to run my whole house and I am so happy to feel part of civilization now that the power is out I am not happy with my power provider pg and e And their lack of care if we have power One of my most important decisions in deciding on my generator is that I wanted to clean fuel I wanted to be able to have my computer as I needed information throughout the day I am an engineer and I know how important it is to have a fuel That is good for our environment. Thank you for your time. Thank you Amy Yes, good evening. Thank you vice mayor and council appreciate at your time. I'm a local energy and sustainability consultant and I just wanted to um kind of reiterate what you said vice mayor rogers that Uh, all electric is cheaper cleaner Safer and better for the climate and I really appreciate your succinct summary of that because I don't see a downside here and in fact Uh, we we know we're in a climate crisis and more than anything. Why would we want to contribute further to it? I see this as a very simple first step to to no longer contribute to the problem As a first step of taking our foot off the accelerator before we can even slow down. So thank you for your time Thank you so much. Is there anybody else who'd like to address on this issue? Go ahead Make sure you identify yourself for uh for for the clerk I'm mike turgeon friends of the climate action plan. Thank you vice mayor and council Uh, I want to thank the builders in particular for what they've accomplished in the last two years Helping our victims of the fire from the tubs fire to rebuild In such a responsible and diligent way And I'd like to thank the city council for coming so far this last year by elevating the climate crisis to a tier one priority forming a climate subcommittee And investigating the reach code And all the angles and everything that goes along with it. It's it's been quite a slog to get there Um, the fossil fuel arguments are pretty cogent for 1990 maybe 2010 perhaps But we have got no time left our carbon budget is gone And methane what we're learning about it is so toxic and such a multiplier of carbon that uh This seems like a small step But it's a step and we've come quite this far And this will be the beginning of many difficult decisions that are going to be made But we would count on the council to take the broadest view possible On keeping our citizens safe And there's no broader view than what's happening to us in the midst of the climate crisis. Thank you Thank you, sir. Anybody else? Hello, uh, my name is justin glover. I'm a resident in pedaluma Actually in a in an arcade practicing architect um The main point I think that I want to make here after hearing every all the the prior comments is just that We have One big global problem And that's the climate crisis that we're in right now And this whole this whole effort Especially on a state basis by setting these emission goals whose target is completely Through the code and through them asking local jurisdiction jurisdictions like you to To address these reach codes is to get to that big problem that big problem Is then creating these other smaller problems like the fires and the flooding and the hurricanes and all these other things, right? so This these these issues of like hey, let's deal with the smaller problems that are a result of the bigger problem I don't think makes sense. I think you have to look at the base level argument You have to say what is the big problem that's causing all these other issues And I think that that is very clear. Um, and I just want to express the council that this this piece Is really on your shoulders They the state has set these goals And then given a code that doesn't quite get there and then ask jurisdictions like you To be the people that really pushes the finish line so we can actually achieve those emissions goals So I in addition to being coming here tonight. I've gone through Um, a few other jurisdictions around the state to similar meetings like this and one thing I would say is that there is um There are a lot of jurisdictions that are considering this this option right now And I think a lot of jurisdictions around here are going to look to santa rosa for leadership On this issue. And I think this is an opportunity for Um for you to to prove to prove that and to be a leader and uh in the in the north of california Thank you. Thank you, sir. Yep anybody else? All right, I will close the public hearing and bring it back to the council Uh councilmember combs. I apologize. I forgot to ask if you had any questions before we open the public hearing Thank you, uh, I do have a couple of questions and I appreciate the opportunity to ask them before we go on Um, and thank you staff for bringing this to us I think we've been talking about it a very long time and I appreciate it coming forward Can anyone in santa rosa have a propane gas grill That they use outside this code This is code ban having a gas grill outside The ordinance does not affect the installation of propane Appliances if you use portable propane Uh cylinders there's a propane That's true. Also, if you have a gas generator If you use a propane gas generator and you have a portable Bank Correct and you could it doesn't it also does not prohibit the installation of a larger propane tank for the use of a generator The reach code does not address generators Okay Just an aside comment in my home in santa rosa I recently installed a um induction Cooktop and I I'm really very happy with it In my second home In ecuador I have a propane gas Cooktop that was in the house that I that I'm in Um when I moved into it and the uh It's filled by a tank. There was recently a strike here um on Uh transit strike transportation workers went on strike and blocked all the roads And the canisters couldn't be delivered Uh, so while I'm hearing folks express concern about The failure of electricity and the problems associated with electricity We shouldn't be making the assumption That there will always be propane delivery as well because we just experienced A weekend of of uh, no propane delivery and a lot of people ran out of propane here um, so there are some advantages to um Expanding one's horizons with travel um I would I would strongly support Moving forward with the reach code And thank you very much to the friends of the climate action plan for their help in educating and Making sure that we understand the details Of what our climate action plan calls on us to do And and this is one of those things so thank you Thank you councilmember So i'm going to make sure we put a motion on the table here for discussion The motion coming from the climate action plan action subcommittee Was to adopt the reach codes Councilmember fleming do you want to make a motion for discussion? Yes, so tonight we have two motions before us I'll start with the introduction of the ordinance And wait for a second ordinance of the city of santa rosa adopting by reference with local amendments to 2019 california energy code Including all electric low rise residential reach code and wait for the reading of the text second Okay, i'm going to start at this end councilmember tibbetz One question i have for staff is uh, we were getting some comments about propane versus natural gas and i appreciate the question councilwoman combs asked relative to using propane in the backyard sounds like that is not an issue and that was my understanding as well but We do not run propane through our Appliances at home correct that is natural gas Correct we use typically natural gas in our incorporated area and my understanding is that Natural gas is predominantly comprised of methane including other gases that includes propane Is that do we understand that to be true? Maybe that's i don't know getting too deep, but i just want to I guess clarify this and debunk this a little bit because when i heard that Propane is a clean fuel. That's my understanding as well because it's predominantly comprised of ethane and Oh gosh Butane which i think are more refined fuels that are cleaner burning But that's not what we're talking about and i just want to highlight that point We're talking about natural gas and those do have dirty components to them You know for me this is I'm trying to find a reason why not i have not heard folks who are In opposition to this measure State that the construction costs Were higher and if this is a public hearing and they can address that i would be interested in hearing it um, but what i'm hearing from The research of our staff research that i've done Coming from empirical sources including the california energy commission I'm hearing that it is cheaper to build It is greater cost savings for the residents over a 30-year mortgage It exempts fire rebuilds, which we i think could all agree up here is very important to this council um And to me i think slide eight was perhaps the most compelling and that was the fact that By taking this action. It's 1.9 million million tons. It was a million tons or metric tons metric metric, okay, that makes more sense 1.9 metric tons less than than the other alternatives and you know and when we talk about climate change It's going to be a pain in the butt, you know, i'd i like to drive a 1989 fort f-257 liter v8 That gets about eight miles to the gallon um, but You know my next truck was going to be a dodge ram 2500 diesel I like the way they sound. I like the power that they have That's not where my life is going I'm going to be getting an electric truck or electric car when they come out because I believe that's the change That's necessary in this world. It's painful. It's not what we're used to it's not necessarily what we want But I do think it's the change that has to happen So I'll be supporting this measure and I look forward to hearing what my colleagues think councilmember Fleming Okay, I'll come down here councilmember olivares Thank you, uh, again, thanks for to staff for all the work that you've done on this and I I too appreciate the exemptions for the 2017 fire rebuild I think that is very important a lot of good research and thank you for pointing out Slide eight because that's also gravitated towards me as well And I guess it's for me. It's kind of a matter of when this is going to happen. I think this is It is a small step and it's also a first step and for me I'm looking into the future not necessarily for my life But I'm looking forward to what's going to be happening in my grandchildren's lives, you know, they're Four and six years old right now and for me it's it's looking at that vision for them And what the world's going to be like for them I don't know what kind of fuel they'll be using by the time they're adults and buying their homes But for me, uh, I don't see a reason why not to take this first step at this time. So I will be supporting this Councilmember Sawyer, thank you very much, mayor was the um Was propane evaluated as far as it's um, because an as a compromiser as an option Uh As opposed to saying no Was that was it evaluated as as one of the options? Because I haven't heard except in this audience tonight. I haven't heard anything Didn't read anything about propane. I have received a fair amount number of emails And the reason for my question is that I am concerned about a single energy solution and what I've been hearing about the the danger of Of um methane in our in our atmosphere and I I am concerned about this A lack of energy diversity when it cut when I see what's going on with the with the shutoffs It does concern me. So I'm wondering what was evaluated as far as propane So propane was included in the evaluation when we looked at the three different alternatives So we looked at the electric ready, which would have allowed a propane in addition We looked at the electric favored, which would allow propane As an option and then the electric reach would which eliminated natural gas and propane And so direction was given to look at the and bring forward an all electric reach code So at that point that was a decision point to move towards what we're bringing to you tonight So propane was part of the conversation on those first two. Um, and that's that's when it was talking about Okay, so I'll tell you where I'm where I'm coming from and I don't have children But my I do have great great nieces and nephews The decisions that we make today, um, they will have to live with In the future At the same time What I'm what I'm hearing is that the the The evil creature in the room is methane and that propane does not contain methane at least in any In an amount that would be damaging to our to our environment. So I'm having a hard time saying no to energy diversity and I'm just so I'm struggling with this because I'll I have I have natural gas at home And It allowed me to have a you know a reasonably Normal existence during the power shutoffs Had I had propane I would have been able to enjoy the the use of that And also be reasonable be responsible as far as the environment. So i'm um I'm having a hard time eliminating propane as an option And I understand the recommendation of the of the subcommittee Um, and it's I think it's it is a to me a little unfortunate that that it was That it was dismissed Out of hand and that the electric reach was Embraced completely without offering a This diversity that I think is is really important for homeowners and the community so um, I'm not I'm I'm not sure where my where my finger is going to go on this on on the board. Um when I vote because It's not an option. I mean I it's so my my option has been removed And by saying no I I'm sending a message that I don't want to send And if I say yes, I'm eliminating that energy diversity that I think is so important. So I'm I am Um, I'm conflicted. So I have seconds to think about what I'm going to do council member Fleming Yeah, so I want to thank everybody for the robust community outreach and for You know on both sides that people have come forward to speak about what is important to them And I think that um, I've made no bones about it that what's important to me is making sure that my child has a safe place That she can live and I'm increasingly concerned that I may not get to the end of my lifetime with a safe place to live So, um, what you know with that being said, you know, I hear the, um concerns about Propane, but I also know that there is solid research out there that while it is clean it is um, there are challenges with its combustion And um, they're well documented and we don't have time necessarily to get into that tonight. That was not the charge um that we led with but the other thing that I would add is that One of the criticisms here is that this only would get us one or two percent toward our goals But one or two percent is is not insignificant One or two adds up pretty quickly, especially if you've got a public employee pension I mean one or two percent is good And we need to go around collecting one or two percent in every nook and cranny we can I'd frankly settle for less So, uh, that's where I'll be going with this one Thank you, council member There was a comment that was made in public comment that this is too much Oh, sorry, uh, council member combs. Did you have additional comments? council member You might be on mute. I didn't I did conclude my comments for the most part I I didn't feel the recommendations were out of hand out of the committee. I think we've been Really struggling with this one for a while So thank you very much vice mayor for moving us forward Okay, great So what I was going to say is that there was a comment in public comment Where somebody said that this was too much for too little And I think highlighting what council member Fleming just said I hesitate to think Where we would be if for decades people hadn't been saying that little reforms were too little for us to actually do it Um There's always going to be a reason to say no particularly when it comes to climate There's always going to be some obstacle that's going to require an additional public policy option We don't do things in a vacuum and I'll point out that most of the homes that this will apply to Are also going to have a solar requirement from the state And so even something as simple as adding a battery backup to it makes that home more resilient and it actually makes it More desirable particularly for young home buyers. Let me tell you I know that one We saw a few months ago Thousands of the next generation marching in the streets Demanding that people who were in a position to do something about climate change Actually get off their butts and do it and they were asking us what temporary Inconveniences we were living willing to live with to make sure that they actually had a future And what I've heard over and over again from the public is people like cooking on their gas stoves I'll tell you I can't cook on either. So I'm not a good judge But I would think that the Students who are out there in the streets wouldn't find that as a sufficient reason to not begin addressing climate change in a meaningful way This is a community that has felt the sting of climate change And it's also a community that's not going to shrink away from its responsibility Of doing our part to make sure other communities don't suffer the same fate So i'm more than happy to cast my vote today for this And move this forward in our community. So Madam city clerk if you want to call the roll Thank you vice mayor rogers. I councilmember combs I councilmember fleming I councilmember oliveris I councilmember soler councilmember tidbits All right So councilmember fleming. I believe you have a second motion Indeed. Thank you vice mayor I move a resolution of the council of the city of san aroza setting a time and place for a public hearing for the proposed adoption by reference of the 2019 california energy code california coda regulations 24 Part six all electric low rise residential reach code and way further reading of the text second Sorry, I can't I can't read your fingers 12 3 Okay, so we'll make that that change that'll be on december 3rd We've only posted for the 19th We're about to get the attorneys involved so this is about to get really complicated go ahead soon There if the if the idea is that we want to pair this up with The return of the building and fire codes the date for the building and fire codes has not yet been determined There is not an issue you could go ahead and set the public hearing for December 3rd the effect will be that this would go into effect If it's approved on the on december 3rd We'll give the city manager a few minutes to effect on january 1st, so I'd like clarification Um, I will the The the path I was going to take us down is not necessary. I think staff is supportive of Moving forward with the resolution for the public hearing to remain next week And uh, I would support that Okay, so could you repeat your motion, please? Absolutely So I move a resolution of the council of the city of san aroza setting a time for next week 11 19 and place for a public hearing for the proposed adoption by reference of the 2019 california energy code california code of regulations title 22 part 6 All electric low rise residential reach code and waive further rating of the text a second excellent Madam clerk by smear rogers. I councilmember combs I councilmember flimmy I councilmember oliveras. I councilmember soyer. I councilmember tidbits. I Thank you Thank you very much. So that passes unanimously We will move on now item 14.4 has been Moved to next week. So we'll discuss it then item 15.1 There is a Letter in your packets. Do we have any additional cards for the second public comment section? Thank you Is max Yes, it's after midnight my time and i'm going to hang up. Thank you very much for running the meeting so effectively Absolutely. You have a good one So I have maggio brian who I believe has left Brenda Seeing nobody rise Alex go ahead You'll have your three minutes Is there a timer? It should pop up on the screen I'll tell you what i'll count for you if you want while we okay great. Thanks Okay, thank you for your time. I just want to bring to your attention Again about the 5g 4g infrastructure being placed and I know we're having a study session on december 10 I look forward to another one our third one But I just want to point out that since February 14 2017 when eric mckennery a city employee came in here with a verizon representative miss canada And had you guys change your council policy and allow them to install these things wherever they wanted They haven't been really accurate with their information to you guys and that continued into the study sessions Let alone did they not tell you guys that over 60 of the 72 proposed were going to be in residential zones or next to schools Montgomery high school they had denied a cell phone tower a few years earlier And they would have gotten thousands of dollars for that cell phone tower But verizon came in a few years later and put one in front of their school And the city is getting 300 a year for that tower Without any public notification So as mayor course he said last year they they came and they ran roughshod through neighborhoods because they could And here's one of the things we're putting 5g infrastructure. We don't have a projector here I think that's kind of ironic, but Um, I just want to show you this is something that eric mckennery said last year that really Kind of rubbed me the wrong way and was not accurate when trying to squash people's fears about having these put next to their house He said People underneath the pole and it's because of the way the antennas radiate The antennas certainly radiate left and right horizontally and so ironically if you're under the pole You get less radiation than if you're a block away because it's right above your head So in no case of do they radiate low so the one Say your comments please Here's reality So Anyways, I could go on and on and 20 over 20 that have been installed so far, but they're very powerful They're very powerful right underneath the antenna. They're not 100 watts like he had told you several times They're actually those radios are each 100 watts, but there's four of them By the time they're amplified that antenna can put out 4 000 watts You'd have to be crazy to want one of these things next to your house Talk about energy efficiency too. You guys want to be a green city The carbon footprint of these things spraying not much electricity in the air So your mobile device can use a speck of it think about the carbon footprint of that No one's asking that so I hope the city attorney is privy to the recent Appeals decisions the fourth circuit ninth circuit. They give cities more. Thank you, sir And with that we are adjourned