 Okay, we're here at IDF. I'm John Furrier with SiliconANGLE.com and SiliconANGLE.tv. We're in the developer lounge at Intel Developer Forum 2012. This is all about software.intel.com and go there find out what's going on with Intel. We're a great keynote We're here with industry analyst at CRISH. At CRISH is the CEO and founder of Rishisha.research New research firm out there pioneering kind of the cutting edge and the future wave of Convergence data center, consumerization of IT, mobility, and what this all means to businesses. CRISH, welcome to the mobile cube Yeah, it's my pleasure to be here and pleasure to be talking to you again And it's a great event. The keynote was really good and I was pretty impressed with how the keynote went I love Intel Kinos because one I'm a big fan of Intel and I love Intel because they've done generations of innovation They abstract away complexity. They got super alpha geeks They usually don't get the credit sometimes in the hype circles, but Intel does great work But one of the things that really stuck out for me on this keynote was this notion of abstracting away the ease of use Higher performance. Obviously they had some great demos, but mobility obviously is a big part of this story What is your take on what's happening here at the developer forum relative to mobility? Obviously, this is not just about Apple and Samsung. This is about future apps, future development So share with your perspective as an analyst this whole mobility trend because this is what the user and computing environment will look like The mobility trend, I'm coming from the enterprise point of view. The mobility trend and enterprise is just starting So there will be lots and lots of innovations coming in the coming years and it's going to change the enterprise landscape completely from what we are seeing today But one thing that struck me in the keynote is that daddy made the statement that mobile computing is not just about mobility but it's also about computing I think that's the key thing going forward. Right now the kind of devices which we have are very low powered and there's very little innovation we can do with that But that itself is pretty amazing for old-fashioned people like you and me like who are you using Old-fashioned. Come on. I'm still young. So my thinking is we will be moving. We are in the cloud big data and all those things as we move more into the big data world Our idea of cloud will move from a more centralized one to more distributed one in terms of it's more like a P2P cloud or something like that When that kind of a change comes in the importance of computing and mobility is going to change the way we innovate I think that particular point really impressed me because I think that is hinting towards where we will be going in the years to come Talk about the you mentioned computing because let's break that apart for a second. Drill down on computing What do you mean by that specifically because with the centralized computing resources cloud and big data You've got a lot of stuff all over the place. Do you mean end user computing, data center computing, all of the above I think as we go by the end user computing and data center computing is going to merge together and we are going to It will be very tough to differentiate between these two. At least it may not happen in the coming two to five years But it is eventually going to happen. Eventually every computer, every mobile device you carry might be a node in the cloud So we might go to a P2P kind of cloud. So the reason why it is interesting for me is If we imagine the cloud as something centralized like a few cloud providers like Amazon or Google taking care of the entire world's need We have to bring in all the data to them. The network latency is not going to go away anytime soon and lock-in risks come into picture And also not every app is going to be written for Amazon kind of cloud So people would want some high performance due to various reasons So when these kind of needs converge together The idea of cloud will go from a handful of cloud providers offering cloud up there somewhere to cloud being distributed everywhere to every device And there will be a layer over the distributed network which will abstract away the complexity So when you say P2P cloud, obviously that brings up stuff that we have been covering And you've been covering on cloud avenue dot com is personal cloud So there's personal clouds that people could have but also P2P cloud could mean clouds talking to each other Is it the cart before the horse? What comes first? The automation on the cloud side? Because this sounds a lot like VMworld with VMware's abstract pool and automate What's your take on that cloud migration? We will first have to figure out the automation part first Otherwise the entire user experience is going to break down if we move to P2P cloud So the first step will be a more federated cloud ecosystem where there will be many players offering services based on niche needs of users So once you figure out how you abstract away the complexity that comes out of that kind of a more federated ecosystem You can then think about P2P cloud and how to handle additional complexities that come from those things But in the past we have had P2P kind of a distributed cloud SETI at home and a few of the protein computing projects and all those things I think that should give us a clue about how things work Ok, well a big theme here are developers of software, software.inchel.com is really the developer zone here Obviously the keynote was a lot of demos, a lot of future Coke machine that's got a lot of embedded systems, they call Intelligent Systems Talk about this notion of software infrastructure Because software seems to be the theme here around data infrastructure We talked about that VMworld, we saw VMware and virtualization guys going all software And that's the future of the data center Can you share with the folks out of your perspective of the software defined data center? The thing is like software is going to be where all the innovation is going to happen Going forward, yes hardware is important, there will be some innovation underneath But software is going to abstract away everything and going to give the control to the end user So if we have to move to that kind of world, software is going to be the layer where innovation is happening You asked about software defined data center and I think VMware made it slogan during VMworld last week I think software defined data center is the first step VMware is checking to sort of compete in a world Which I see as more like an ocean of services where different services exposed from the infrastructure All the way to applications will be exposed to the within course ocean And all these services will be around big data in general So when you go to that kind of a services world, the data center or infrastructure as we know it today Will get more and more abstracted into a more simplified service And I think VMware is positioning for that The way they have brought dynamic ops and sort of integrated their services manager into it Sort of gives me hope that they are prepping for the services world and cloud phone on top of it I think they are well pushing to do that and I think every other company is going to go in that direction We had the founder of dynamic ops on theCUBE at VMworld we confirmed And we're first to report that it's going to sit on top of vCloud which is actually a good spot for those guys My final question to you is because you're obviously on the cloud a lot of years You've been in the cloud, we've been watching this from the beginning kind of growing up And all the promise of the cloud, we saw it explode and be the most disruptive thing relative to Stardust But now as enterprise starts to get more cloud specific hybrid cloud and private cloud We talked about this on theCUBE at VM where with Chris Hoff and he wrote a post inspired by our conversation around this cold war of cloud Because with cloud foundry, Google compute cloud, you have a lot of people pushing their clouds And there's a variety of benefits for each one of them for enterprises So we're kind of coming back to this interoperability question You mentioned it earlier around clouds talking to each other What do you see around one this cloud cold war if you will Not really direct war but there's some posturing around security and other things and we drilled down on theCUBE But just in general around this notion that we're going back to this full circle around interoperability around clouds Can you share your opinion on that? Interoperability will be a problem for some more time to come The thing is like let's be clear the Amazon's of the world and Google's of the world were first generation of cloud services Which was more focused towards startups as enterprises come into the buying game It's going to change, there will be more people coming in that's what we are seeing in terms of VMware and open stack and all those things posturing into the market place with their own offering with their own niche and things like that Interoperability is going to be the key but that will happen at a layer much above the infrastructure All these infrastructure platforms so I think it is going to take some more time to figure out Right now I am sort of pushing against any standardization effort because I think right now people are innovating in terms of interoperability For example if you're using open stack and Amazon Web Services I can go with the ride scale and status and take care of the portability needs So right now we should let people innovate and once we see more innovation in the space and once the pain point becomes too much for the end customers I think then we should talk about standardization and I think eventually we will settle this issue I agree with you, I think standardization is more mature let the developers innovate, let the market develop fast Not bog it down with some sort of standardization discussion I am psyched for developers, I am psyched to see open stack become much more developer centric, a lot more raw materials out in the market place We are here with Chris Intel developer forum, this is Silicon Angle coverage of IDF 2012, we will be right back