 Good day, Internet. Good day, Internet. Good day, Internet. Good day, Internet. Oh, friends, you just don't even know what secrets lurk in the stomachs of your hosts of this show. Well, I don't make this some secret free. You don't know and you don't want to know. You don't want to know. No, just email us. We'll tell you. Anyway, shall we do the day that you show? Sure. Yeah. So that's a great idea. Very good. Well, then let's do that in three, two. This 10th year of Daily Tech News show would not happen if it weren't for you, thanks to every single one of you who supports the show, like Miranda Janell, Justin Zellers, Pepper Geesey and Bill Baggins. On this episode of DTNS, Meta connects us with a new VR headset, upgraded smart glasses and lots of AI. Plus what the FTC is up to with Microsoft. Yeah, still. And Hollywood writers get AI guidelines. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, September 27th, 2023 in Los Angeles, Santa Merit. And from Studio Prune, I'm Sarah Lane. From Salt Lake City, I'm Scott Johnson. And I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. Studio Prune, did you like take a bath? Are you drinking juice? But I like prunes. And you just like prunes? Prunes get a bad rap. Yeah, yummy. I mean, don't don't eat 20 of them. You know what I'm saying? But otherwise, I love a prune. Stereotypes and they've been maligned over the years. They're fine. There's nothing. They are Daily Tech News show. Delicious. Prune positive. Yeah, indeed. Peepies. All right, let's start with the quick hits. Apple's eddy queue testified as part of the U.S. versus Google antitrust case. Q was asked about Apple's Information Services Agreement, or ISA, which makes Google the default search engine on Apple's software, like the Safari browser. Q negotiated the latest renewal of the deal back in 2016 and says there's not a valid alternative to Google. Apple chose Google because it was the best product. Anchor's Smart Home Cameras, the ones they sell under their Ufie brand, EUFY, now offer cross-camera tracking and video splicing, you know, like in the movies. So if you have multiple cameras, you can follow motion from one camera's view to the next and see it as one continuous video. All spliced together. Feature works with Ufie's Home Base Three Hub. So you have to have that piece of equipment, the Home Base Three Hub, and it uses an on-device algorithm to identify people and stitch those videos together. It's part of a free beta that you can use right now. And then they'll release it as part of their paid subscription in Q4. The Ufie Home Base Three is available for $150. And they introduced a new line of cameras and spotlights as well. But the cross-camera tracking will also work with older Ufie cameras. Well, as expected, Amazon has named former Microsoft executive Panos Panay as the new lead of Amazon's Devices and Services Division. Panay spent 19 years at Microsoft, most recently leading the Windows and Devices Division. He'll officially start at Amazon at the end of October. And the folks who work on the Echo devices said, Panos, my gosh, analysts Minji Kuo speculates that reports of iPhone 15 models overheating. Probably have to do with the new titanium frame, not the chip. A lot of people are like, the chip's overheating. Kuo says, chips probably fine. It's probably just not dissipating the heat fast enough. Kuo says titanium negatively impacts thermal efficiency and notes. There's also a reduced heat dissipation area in the iPhone 15. He does expect that Apple will address the issue with a software update. Well, one would hope. Multiple news outlets reported on their experiences with Mercedes Benz's new drive pilot system coming to the 2024 S class and EQS sedans. It'll be the first level three autonomated driving system approved for use by the public in the US. Level three means that the driver doesn't have to pay attention at all times, but has to be ready to take over when needed. You can take your hands off the wheel, but you can't go to sleep. In essence, the systems will not will be will only be available and active in California and Nevada to start. In addition, they'll only be active at speeds less than 40 miles per hour while following a vehicle on dry, clear, well marked and pre mapped roads and LA freeway traffic at rush hour would be a great example of this. You might say, when would my area be a great example of this? Well, this is sort of phase one Las Vegas traffic. Since it's also in Nevada, you know, also sounds right. Yeah, so you could watch YouTube with level three, but don't watch the chill beats YouTube or you'll fall asleep. That's good advice. Well, at its connect conference on Wednesday, meta unveiled the Quest three headset offering improved performance for a higher price over the quest to the quest three will go for five hundred dollars for the one hundred twenty eight gigabyte model and pivots from just VR to mixed reality. At least that's what the company is is doing this marketing wise. This is commonly known as XR. So when you see XR mixed reality is what they're talking about. Meta now refers to its headsets as gaming and productivity tools rather than just sort of for fun. The quest three has 30 percent higher resolution, new lenses, faster Qualcomm chip, dual color pass through cameras. So that's the mixed reality stuff. A souped up version for six hundred fifty dollars has five twelve gigabytes of space. Preovers are opening now, shipping on October 10. I mean, these are pricier than the old quest three. They're kind of evolutionary, not revolutionary. But I have to say that there's a lot of the hands on reviews came out like right along with the announcement. Everybody's fairly positive about these. Yeah, they seem they seem excited. I can't tell from some of the video. It's hard for me to tell what the difference is with VR. A lot of the times the whole history of VR, as we know, it is usually a technology. If you really want to appreciate what you're looking at, you kind of have to have it on your head. Videos don't really do it justice. But from what I can tell, this is definitely a bump from last time. The big question for consumers is, is it a, you know, double the price bump for the lowest entry model or not? And that's yet to be seen. But I think it looks great. Well, I think I think at this point, at least as far as, you know, key one of next year, we'll all be talking about the quest three versus the Apple's Vision Pro, very different price points. Vision Pro, by all accounts, is based on development. Let's figure out how to make this cool, you know, developer community. This is not for just the average consumer unless they have $3,500 to spare. The quest three is, the quest three is exactly for that. I am, I am, I am a quest apologist for better or for worse. I love the quest. I have been really interested in how the, the, the technology has sort of slowly but surely evolved. And, and yeah, I think you're going to have to pay for something that is better than the quest two, which was, by all accounts, a lost leader. Jahandar in the chat wonders how XR is different from AR. It's basically just means you can do VR and augmented reality. And I think that's probably the differentiator with the quest three is that the quest two could do the augmented reality pass through, but it was pretty grainy and it was, it was, it was not exactly black and white, but it wasn't color, right? The quest three has a higher resolution pass through. It's not nearly as grainy and it can do full color. So I think you might see a differentiation there in what kind of augmented reality stuff. The quest three can do, hence them emphasizing the XR nature. Yeah. And the X, the X really just means cross, right? Just crossover. Extended. Yeah. Extended. Cross. Yeah. There's also just so many reasons why, you know, this idea of crossing over, you know, people go, well, you know, how many times a day would I wear this? And this would be necessary for me for a lot of people never. Um, I, you know, I, I use VR for exercise primarily and, uh, the crossover stuff is mostly so that I make sure I don't trip over my dog. Um, but this is technology that I understand is going to make a lot of sense for people doing things besides, you know, putting it on a headset and then going dark for an hour. That's, I think what, uh, my big takeaway from Meta's announcement is like, we can still provide that for you. But, uh, for anybody who just didn't really like the idea of full VR, now it's more of a lifestyle. Yeah, we, we're going to expand what we can do with that. And that's where they're going to try to compete with the Vision Pro. Uh, a few more notes coming out of the Kinect keynote, Xbox cloud gaming coming through the quest in December. That's not XR. That's just a big virtual screen hanging in space in front of you playing a 2D game. But, uh, they're also getting Roblox, a stranger things game. Lego Brick Tales is interesting because it is a PC game, but they are making it, uh, tabletop. So they're, they are taking advantage of, of the augmented reality for that. Um, also a MetaQuest business platform launching in October. That's designed to offer enterprise augmented reality apps that'll be compatible with a lot of different business platforms, including Microsoft 365 that's coming to the quest later this year. And Meta talked a lot and connect about AI that chatbots are coming. We mentioned this on Monday, uh, to WhatsApp, Instagram and Messenger. They use something called the expressive media universe to offer Dolly like, uh, capabilities. So you can do a prompt to get an image. It's Meta's own custom made large language model. They said it's based on the core principles of Lama 2, but it appears to be much more limited. Uh, and it includes those 28 personas, uh, based around people like Mr. Beast and Snoop Dogg and Paris Hilton, et cetera. They also announced Meta's AI studio will let you make your own AI companions. So that's pitched at brands, not individuals. Uh, you know, if I'm craft cheese, I can make a chat bot that reflects my brand value as craft cheese and customer expectations that I'll know a lot about cheese. Uh, alpha of that, uh, is available now and it'll start expanding next year. And you'll be able to edit images and create stickers in Instagram with text prompts. So restyle adds a filter based on a text prompt backdrop. Let's you change the background based on a text prompt, uh, real quickly before we get to the last part of the announcement, which is the sunglasses. What do you think of the AI stuff? I mean, personally, I think that, uh, it's a, it's surprising. We haven't already seen it integrated in. So it makes sense to me. Well, this, we're going to hear this from everybody from here until the end of time. Our new thing also includes these AI things, whatever they end up calling it. The Instagram filter feels real though. Like that feels like a, you know, these are useful cases, by the way. And I don't actually decry these. I think these are a great idea. I think that the more, the more intelligent interactions I can have with both my hardware and my software and my life, I'm happier to do that. So, um, everyone wants to freak out and act like they're, they're going to become sentient and all that. Forgetting all of that. This is a, this is a good move for, for this device. Qualcomm also announced two new Snapdragon chips along with the hardware. So one of them is going into the Quest three, the Snapdragon XR2 Gen two. We mentioned that already. Uh, the other one, uh, is going into the Rayban Meta smart glasses. They're not Rayban stories anymore. They're Rayban Meta smart glasses. They're getting the Snapdragon AR1 Gen one. Uh, this set of glasses has better on device augmented reality processing. No heads up screen. So when we're talking about augmented reality, it means it can recognize something and then talk to you about it. Uh, the glasses have upgraded from a five megapixel to a 12 megapixel camera can live stream to Instagram and Facebook with that higher video quality software update next year. We'll add things like landmark identification or sign translation so that you can look at something and say, what does that say? And it'll translate it into your language. They're available in really good styles. Wayfarer and headliner styles. They really do look like sunglasses pre-order now, ship in October 17th, starting at $299 for standard lenses. If you want polarized, that's 329. If you want transition, it's 379. And then your prescription is a sliding scale on top of all of that. I continue to wonder how much, uh, AR glasses will sell. Um, and the reason for that is, you know, here I am, you know, wearing an Apple watch, love it, uh, gives me all sorts of value throughout the day. Uh, glasses would give different value, but there's a lot of this is your personal style thing that you have to buy into in order for this to work. Wayfarer's cool personal style, but not for everybody. And I just don't know how you have somebody wear something on their face that doesn't have that many options that you're going to get a lot of people to buy. Yeah, it is kind of a hoping that one or a few sizes fit all. Um, my, my, my thinking is there's, there's a future where I'm adding something to a pair of glasses, a pair of prescription glasses, and I'm clicking it into them and their modular. And now those become smart glasses and that stuff is small enough that it's not really sticking out. Like there's a lot of ways this technology could head. This is a decent, you know, step into that world. And I'm, it's exciting to watch this particular aspect of, uh, of AR evolve. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to get there too. I just, I'm like, ah, you know, it's a tough sell for a lot of people who are like, I think it's smart not to put the, the on screen for these, because they keeps the price down, keeps the expectations down. But I'm with you, Sarah. It also keeps the intended market down, right? How many people are really going to want that? Like I might say this is ex my exact style. Sorry. I think you should leave reference there. But, um, for a lot of other people like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Uh, well, real quickly, uh, in other hardware related AI news, the information sources say that Sam Altman at open AI has been working with Apple former designer Johnny Ive on hardware. We don't really know anything else about it. That's all we know. Uh, the Verge notes that Altman, uh, worked with Thomas Meyerhoffer in the past on the orb for world coin. Uh, Meyerhoffer also a former Apple designer and Altman invests in humane, which is run by former Apple employees developing a wearable AI device. Uh, so something, something coming out of it. You know, the, the movie her, uh, starring Joaquin Phoenix and with the voice of Scarlett Johansson is often brought up in situations like this, like, Oh, remember, you know, and like the guy fell in love with the AI type thing. But I feel like this idea, at least, you know, you know, just, uh, not knowing a whole lot of what's going on. If there, if there was a sort of place that you could go and talk to AI and get information and get smarter and have them help. And then you sort of, uh, you know, take off the headset and, and again, I'm using a headset just because I don't exactly know what else we would do. That is interesting and not really anything that anyone else is doing right now. I mean, Amazon would beg to differ. They, they basically said, we're putting a large language model into Echo. You can sit there and talk to it all day long. You don't even have to put it on your head. 100%, but, uh, I think, you know, Amazon could also be accused of being a little behind the game as far as AI stuff is concerned. And that's why they're using Anthropics AI, uh, and, and not developing their own, which is probably a smart move. The USFTC has not given up on evaluating the Microsoft Activision Blizzard merger. They have a dream and they're not letting go of it. Uh, it's a bit thorny. Here's what's happening. The UK is still in the final stages of approving the deal that's expected to happen. October 18th is still the new extended deadline for the deal to get done. Uh, and to catch you up on the FTC, yes, it tried and failed in July to get the courts to prevent the deal from closing and it lost. So it withdrew its administrative challenge. That's its internal investigation and it's appeal of that preliminary injunction isn't going to be heard until December 6th. So everybody thought, well, that's that. Well, that's not that. The news today is the FTC has refiled for its administrative procedure, which will take place 20 days after the appeals court rules. So sometime in either December or January, this is an internal procedure for the FTC. So if they were to win that case with their own internal administrative judge, they could issue a cease and desist to unwind the merger, which will be closed by that time. And Microsoft can appeal that cease and desist. And then the FTC would have to go back to federal court to enforce its decision where it has already lost. Um, it's a, it's a long shot. FTC just, just doesn't want to give this up. Yeah, they seem like they're almost enjoying it. They want to keep towing with it or something. I don't know what's going on with that, but it feels like, um, I don't know, people I talked to on the ground over there at Activision Blizzard are both at the same time hopeful that this goes through without naming any names. And also some of them are certain that it's going through. And I don't know how it doesn't at this point. This just feels like another weird delay that will be kind of fruitless. It's not even a delay though. That's the thing, right? Microsoft's going to close. It's not going to do anything unless 15 unlikely things happen. Yeah. And that's just, it just seems like a waste of whatever resource is being spent doing it. It seems like a waste of that. And I think that's probably just money. So, so I don't know. I wish they would knock it off, but also at the same time, I understand that, you know, you have to, you go through all the venues you have to go through if you're serious about a thing. It's like copyright law, except this, you know, this is the government speaking. But, but if you're going to try to make your point, you got to make it all the way to all your stuff's exhausted. So I guess exhaust yourselves, but it sounds to me like this thing's going through one way or the other. Uh, speaking of, uh, going through, um, Chris Metzen, Scott, friend of yours, one-time lore master of World of Warcraft is returning to Activision Blizzard, come heller highwater to create the next generation of adventures in World of Warcraft. He retired from Blizzard back in 2016. Folks might remember, returned as an advisor in 2022, now coming back full time. So Scott, you and Chris, your, your buds, you have a good relationship. Uh, uh, are you, are you excited about this? I am. Um, it's actually nice that it finally came out officially because I've known about this for a really long time and I didn't want to blow it and drop the bomb on the show sometime when I wasn't supposed to. So I've been kind of walking on eggshells, not to accidentally reveal it. But, um, it isn't exactly a secret that he'd been back there for a while. But what his actual role would be ultimately, how much, uh, front facing public stuff we'd get out of Chris, that was all a little bit unknown. Um, it's important to note here that he's going to be specifically focused 100% on the Warcraft team. That means World of Warcraft and anything connected to Warcraft. Um, and that means other games that are either unannounced or some of the stuff that already exists, like, uh, their, their new mobile game coming out and, uh, you know, Hearthstone may fall into this under this, but really that's the focus where it used to be. He was in charge of all franchise development over at Blizzard. And that meant every game they had under the roof. So this is a very laser focused, uh, thing. Uh, I can tell you, it sounds like they have some really cool stuff going on. I think Warcraft, Warcraft fans have every right to be excited about this. And we'll learn more at BlizzCon where, uh, there's a very good chance. You'll see him on stage again, first time since 2016, I want to say, 17, maybe. And, uh, he'll probably have a lot to say about what they've been working on. So it's very exciting stuff for Blizzard right now. Another photo of confidence that everything's going to be fine. At Activision, he wouldn't go back there. If he didn't, didn't think this was all going to work out. I can tell you that that is 100% true. Chris, Chris was retired for a reason. It wasn't, uh, you know, I'm not going to get the details here, but for him to go back and to take the reins of something like this meant that it had to be right. And I'm, I'm sure that that's the case. So it's, it's people should be excited. I'm genuinely excited. And I haven't subbed the game in eight, nine months. Uh, this means I will probably get back in when, when we start to hear what's going on. Well, folks, real quickly, uh, if you liked that experiment week episode, AI named this show, good news. It's a full on show. Uh, lots of episodes out already each week. Tristan Jutra and Tasia Custodi wade through the hype and the doom saying and keep you informed about what's real regarding the world of an artificial intelligence. Go look for AI named this show in a pod catcher near you or at ai named this show. Dot com. The Writers Guild of America and the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers have reached an agreement. You probably heard about this among the agreed two terms are rules governing the use of AI tools. Here's the gist. If AI tools are used to create material within a script, a WGA writer, maybe somebody who prompted the material gets the credit. You can't give the credit to an AI. That's, that's, that's the agreement. AI cannot be credited as a source. A studio also can't tell a writer to use AI tools or even what AI tools to use. Yeah, and companies that writers are working for have to disclose if any materials that were given to a writer were generated by AI. Companies may use writer materials to train their own models, but the WGA reserves the right to step in if it determines training violates the agreement or law. In other words, the WGA can put a stop to the training if it feels off. Aside from AI guidelines is the fact that streamers must now share streaming data with writers. This would apply to many people in this audience, probably, so that they know just how well the projects that the writers have worked on have done designed to offer increased royalty payments. Yeah, I think the AI part of this got more attention than it deserved. And this is just my opinion, but I always felt like it was a pretty easy thing to come up with some rules around. Don't give a credit to AI. Let the writers have control over the tools. Let the writers use the tools. Don't ban. There was talking about banning AI from these are all reasonable things. I think it's clear from this agreement that the fight, the real fight was over the royalties for streaming and the sharing of data and how many writers can be in a room and they solved all those two. Yeah, I think it's Tom said it really well on a brief segment this morning on TMS and we're reiterating it here, but just made a great point about how a lot of these hot button issues like AI being used in the writing process just became kind of a propaganda point and not just for the writers. I mean, it just seemed like it was this hot moment of like, well, AI changes the whole thing. We need these strikes more than ever because of AI. AI seemed to be at the pinnacle of all of it. And at the end of it, it's pretty reasonable what they want to do. Like it's pretty straightforward. I don't think anyone had to make major crazy concessions on the AI front. And if they did, you know, we're probably never going to hear about it. But this just seems like a good reasonable thing. It gets revenue back where it should be. They have three more years to work under a new contract they all agreed on. None of this has any impact on, well, maybe it has some impact, but no impact immediately anyway on the actor strike that's still going on. And you have the potential of the video game performers and actor strike looming. They've all they voted overwhelmingly to strike. So they have to come up with either an agreement there really quick or strikes will happen. So still a lot of this going on, but at least the writers can get back to the table and we can get our talk shows back and, you know, some of the stuff that was maybe. Oh, Scott, I know you're such a morning talk show guy. I mean, you do your own. But yeah, I don't I don't really see it. You know, what struck me as I think all of these new terms make sense. Nothing about this seems crazy out of whack. Anything I just wonder how many and maybe it's because of, you know, my own inability to use chat GPT to help my job day to day. I mean, trust me, if I could, I would. I just don't think that it actually helps my day to day job. It might help your day to day job totally depends on what you're doing. In fact, just the other day, somebody, you know, I was talking about writing up a contract and they said, why don't you just use chat be GPT? And then and then, you know, and then and then go from there. I was like, oh, wow, never even thought about that. I think that there are a lot of writers where this is not even going to be an issue at all. Never has never will. But it's good to have these these these laws as it were in place. Yeah, I think I think the bigger the bigger role for AI is helping the writers when they're like, you know what, I just need some ideas. I need I need to lay out a scenario. I've got like the tedious part of script writing, like maybe some formatting or something that I want the tools to use. And I'm glad that this agreement contemplates that and says, yes, they are allowed to use those. You can't tell them they have to use them, but they get to use them. And no, the studio execs can't tell chat GPT, come up with scripts and replace the writers, which I don't think was ever going to happen anyway. But now it's on paper that it can't. So there you go. And did. Well, should we thank Scott or I don't know, Sarah, do you think you did a good good enough, John, you know, Scott? Week after week, you do a really good job. You know, I'm always trying to talk you for something. And I just can't find anything you're like an AI yourself. Thank you for being on the show. Let folks know where they can keep up with the rest of your work. Well, there is good news, everyone. I have a show called Core on Thursdays. It's actually Friday this week, but it's a weekly show about video games and it's not just, hey, what do we play in? It's like the big issues. So we are going to tear apart this medicine news in a way that we don't have time for here today. We're going to really go deep in what it might mean to have, you know, one of the one of the creators of the Warcraft franchise coming back to the roost and doing something. If you want to hear that big blown out discussion, we'll be doing that. And we'll be talking about Starfield or this crazy idea that cyberpunk after three years of release is actually in 10 out of 10 shape now somehow three years later. We'll talk about that all kinds of stuff in that zone. So if that interests you at all, come check us out core wherever you get your podcasts or you can find it all directly at frogpants.com slash core. 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All right, folks, if you have a burning need to title this show, it's probably because you're watching or listening live, because otherwise, you know what the title is. So get in there in the Twitch chat or the discord and then go to show about dot TV slash DT and S2 where you can find all the fine titles that folks have submitted and vote on them. And then Sarah will shine down upon your suggestions and select one. As long as they're really good. Yeah. Otherwise, yeah, you'll either shine. I will strike down those suggestions. That's a tasty burger. All right. Yeah, let's talk about the rest of the monologue. Yeah, I will. You get it. You get it. The serious thing of those who attempt to destroy. Bobo, Bobo, Bobo. Yeah, OK. Yeah, say it. We're close enough. Yeah. CNN launched CNN Max and Beta on Wednesday. Combination of primetime shows. So a lot of the stuff. Anderson Cooper's in there and all all the folks that you normally see on CNN. A lot of them are there. The other stuff is CNN International. So you're getting on and poor and some of the best CNN international stuff in there as well. And they have a few things that are original like State of the Race with Casey Hunt. I'm sorry. That's an international one. They have a few things that are original. I think that's news, right? There's a few things that are that are news that are original in there. CNN Max is available to all Max subscribers. This is not going to be like sports where it's free for a while and then they upcharge you. At least that's not what they're saying now. This is a thing that is similar to what they do in Peacock or Paramount Plus, where it's just part of the package. You get to watch the news. There's also on demand if you don't want to watch the live stream. There's 900 hours of programming from CNN Original. So Anthony Bourdain, Stanley Tucci, stuff like that is in there as well. I feel like this is the last piece, right? Max is playing a little catch up because all of these streaming platforms in some way or another in the U.S. we are talking U.S. only because that's where these companies are setting the templates for this stuff. But it is a lot of dramas, a lot of reality shows, live sports and news. And now now Max has it. They all have. I think the real the real good deal here is that they're not going to charge an extra fee per month for this. I would have suspected they would, or like you said, do some kind of trial. And then, you know, now it's now it's an extra four ninety nine or whatever. The fact that they're not doing that is good. Some of this stuff was already there, like the Stanley Tucci thing and all that Bourdain stuff. That was all that's just collecting it all under this name. Exactly. And they've got some pretty good documentary content that wasn't there for CNN documentary stuff that I would love to see over there. So that would be cool. Yeah. I mean, I think this just kind of is we're watching we're watching Max evolve itself the way they said they were going to kind of in real time as irritated as everybody was about the HBO branding being pulled off there and concerns about what the channel or what the streaming service would become like. It hasn't been that bad. And then there's still the best place to get older movies. So I I really I really like this. I'm not even that big of a CNN fan, but I just think the more free content you're giving me, the more value that seems like for an expensive service. So you're you'll probably keep me around more if you give me extra stuff. So go for it, I guess. And it's not a hobbled version. Some some of the early launches of news like like ABC World News now felt like, well, it's got the ABC logo. But I'm not seeing any of the stuff I see on, you know, World News Tonight or or ongoing coverage. Yeah. That's that's changed. They they have started to move some of that stuff over. This is a great first edition, almost the opposite of what they were planning with CNN Plus, right, where it was all different stuff. This is, hey, I know that the cable companies aren't going to be extremely pleased with us, but we're almost giving you CNN. It's not exactly so that we're not violating any contracts, but you really won't miss CNN if you watch this is my guess. Does it does otherwise feel like watered down content? It feels like a half measure. And so this does feel like more like, oh, I'm getting the real thing. I'm not getting basically a counter. You won't won't really notice it's not the real thing as my guess, especially if you're somebody who's not like a constant 24 hour news person, which I am. I think I think that's the key. That's the key of like, do you like a variety of programs? Do you I mean, kind of care about live, but maybe not every day. Then this could be and I'm I'm that person. You know, I'm like, I just, you know, I I'm sorry. Appointment viewing just doesn't work for me anymore because I have so many other options with so many other ways to consume content. So I I like this. I also I like the back catalog of a lot of stuff that I've never not seen before, where I might learn about, I don't know, the politics of a certain company or a certain country or, you know, or both. And I can I can go through that at at my leisure. Yeah, it's like I'm not really like a huge CNN person either. In fact, I don't really know when I tune into CNN, besides there being a catastrophic thing. The Maui fires was the last time where I was like, you know what? All right, let's let's see what they're talking about live. So that really, really still matters. But I think it's, you know, CNN being like, well, we do that for you and we will continue to do that for you. But we have, you know, so much so much other stuff that you could consume in different ways. It's a great way for them to leverage a thing they already own that is a big thing that they can just slot in there, you know, once they get all that whatever internal agreements had to happen. But, you know, Turner owns CNN, Turner's owned by Warner Brothers. Like it's all in the family. And a lot of these other streaming companies don't have stuff in the family like that. So I mean, they do bunker things. Some do, some do, but like Paramount has CBS. Disney has ABC for now, unless they sell it to Byron Allen. The only one who doesn't is Netflix and Amazon. Yeah, what would I guess Apple doesn't really. Yeah, that's true. And Amazon seems mostly interested in partnering with these services to do add ons and Netflix doesn't have a partner like that. But they've got the the cloud and size and money to partner. So they do documentaries. They don't do news news news. Right. Yeah, which I kind of like. I kind of like the focus. But I guess I'm saying if if if they wanted to get into the live news market, I don't know who's left they could partner with it, isn't already owned by one of those other companies. Yeah, they'd have to buy somebody like news now is owned by. Is it what it's not called Tribune anymore? I can and I'm blanking on the new name of the company that used to be called. Right. But yeah, they could they could they could buy an operation that way. I don't see them doing that. I just feel like Netflix is like, no, we're HBO. Our version of news is to have real time with Bill Maher. Right. That that's it. Well, how HBO approaches it or or or or last last week tonight with John Oliver, something like that. And Netflix is like that. They'll have Newsy shows, but I don't think they'll ever do news like this. Yeah, I think that's probably true. It's an interesting thing, though, because I, you know, back when Zaslaw was making all the sales rattle and all that, it just felt like it felt like we weren't sure where they were going. I think we have a better idea where this Max thing is headed. And it's kind of trying to be everything to everyone. Maybe that'll work in the end. I don't know. It's where I'll do it though. I feel like that's true. That's true. I feel like that's that that's the interesting part of this is everybody's trying to be everything and therefore no one can be everything because the sports on Max isn't going to be the sports on ESPN. Right, you know, the or Hulu ESPN plus through Hulu, whatever it is, that's all the Disney's got its own little bifurcated system. But if you think of it as a bundle, it's essentially equivalent to all of this. I don't know if it's the legacy, the HBO part of things that keeps this alive. And I mentioned it earlier, but the their ability to retain a constant catalog of some of the best films rivals, all of them, including especially Netflix, actually, these days. And it used to not be that way. It used to be easier to get older movies or movies that were considered classics or artful, you know, big, big art, Scorsese movies or whatever they were. Those seem to happen in other places. But but Max has consistently kept the best. That catalog is just amazing. In fact, film sac used to be Netflix only. Then we started branching out occasionally. Now we're almost always Max, not even on. Really? That's where they are, because we'll do a search and go, oh, that movie's on Max, I guess we're watching a Max. And I think for the last six movies, six weeks, they've all been on on Max, which none of us saw coming. And that's a really small, weird sample group because it's film sac and it's not exactly the same as just your average or whatever. But you're not after the best movies for not always. No, but occasionally it'll be like, oh, I don't know. I want to see some Nolan movie. Well, four of the five that are the good ones are all on Max right now. You know, like they're just always seem to have the best stuff in rotation. And I I don't know if that's just us and the way it feels to us, or if that's how everyone feels. But technical men's points out they have Turner Classic movies, TCM, HBO and Cinemax all all under that umbrella. Right. So that's that's a lot of lot of licensing experience to play that game with and good series. I don't know. Like like everyone was worried about Max losing its cache and there were some weird stuff with some shows getting pulled and everything. I you know, I thought everyone was quitting Max. No one's going to watch Max anymore because everyone was mad about them pulling things off the platform. Yeah, people were mad. But it was mostly, you know, animation, which I love. And I still think Max is the best home of animation, especially adult animation of various kinds who lose close second. But the it just hasn't been as nasty or as horrible as everyone said it would. I still think taking HBO out of your branding is a weird move because it's prestige, but it and we're not even really talking about that today. But my point is like them adding new features so far, I think has served them adding CNN, I think will serve them. Is there some point where it's too much or they, you know, they get feature creep in terms of programming, maybe. I don't know how that'll go in the long term. But right now they've improved their value with me and they haven't really offended me. So I'm sticking around with that one, I think. I also think it's worth pointing out that this is this is a bellwether in the sense that the only one left to fall is ESPN going direct to consumer for its main programming. I know they have ESPN plus, but none of the stuff that's on cable television ESPN is available through ESPN plus. And Disney has said they're working on that when that happens. That's it. Right. It's a big deal now. I mean, every person who cares about sports that does not cover this as much as we do says to me regularly, Sarah, why can't I see the game on ESPN plus? Yeah, I mean, you're like, well, do you have 30 minutes for me to explain cable? Right. Yeah, I mean, but it's confusing. And yeah, you're just all you're going to do is alienate your own customer base. Yeah. And this this is CNN, even though it's been eclipsed in the ratings, had some of the more desirable contracts with cable TV operators, right? And I think it's worth pointing out that Fox is the one exception to everybody having a platform. Fox doesn't have a platform for its content. Fox stuff goes to Hulu or doesn't go anywhere. It just goes to its cable subscribers through authentication on the Fox app. Fox Fox owns Tubi. There's a few things that go there, but Tubi is just a free ad supported streaming television service. It's not meant to be a competitor for Peacock and such. So Fox News is in a situation where it is really only available on cable or through some cable like service like YouTube TV. CNN was a gold jewel that cable didn't want to allow onto the Internet. They didn't want CNN because to to stream on the Internet because they thought it would undermine one of the last reasons people kept their cable subscription. And this is a big deal that Max feels bold enough or Warner Brothers Discovery feels bold enough to say like, well, that's not exactly. We're not we're not breaking the agreement by simulcasting. Come at us. I mean, it's also like you said, well, you kind of hinted at it, but they're not the same CNN they were. And I don't mean I don't mean the quality or anything like that. I just think their their place in the marketplace has definitely shifted back in the Gulf War. It's all anyone cared about. CNN was the O.G. You went there to find out who was bombing, who and when and how. And that was true later in the second Gulf War. That has changed. And now there's many places you can go for this stuff. And some of some of that stuff's very divisive, as we know, politically or otherwise. And so CNN is not in the same place it used to be. So now maybe now is the perfect time for them to go. Or we're a little embattled over there. And also cable isn't what it used to be. And also Max needs to grow. And, you know, a lot of and also is and they're all coming together to the point that I could see this being a really sensible move. Because what is the future of 24 hour news network? It ain't 24 hours news cable. Something's changing. And it shows the cable doesn't have the leverage over them to stop them from doing it. Right. Right. Yeah, because that's all that power dynamics completely flipped. So, yeah, I I think this is not only probably good for them to do this. I think this is going to be indicative of a lot of this stuff. Like you said, ESPN, you know, it's funny you mentioned to be. I used to be way more than I thought I would. Me too. To be is great. To be also doesn't care if I have an ad blocker and I don't have to see ads on desktop. It's just a little side note. If you have a blocker, you don't have to watch it. It will eventually, but it's not bothering. It will eventually. For whatever reason, they have let that roll and I don't know why. But but I find like I love Halloween. I love Halloween and horror movies this time of year. To be has some of the best horror movies. So I'm just saying we'll shout out to To be. I know you don't have much else going on Fox in the streaming world, but that's a pretty good one. You got gone there. Scott, are you familiar with I have not seen this movie, but it's called Slotherville. Slotherville. I've heard it like Slotterville, but but starring a sloth. Yeah, it's a big it's a killer sloth, which obviously is funny because it's yeah. Right. It feels it feels Sharknado way to me, so probably not big on my radar. But you know, you know, it was kind of a big deal. Well, it was it was it was artificial camp. Right. Some somebody I don't even remember who I think Sharknado is available on to be as well. It is. Yeah. All the I think a lot of the Sharknado's are. Well, and I say that because to be is partnering with ChatGPT to add in the smarts so that when you're searching, you can just say like play where are the funny Shark movies and it'll use ChatGPT to surface Sharknado and others like it. Yeah, that's the Meg. The thing with Slotherville and Sharknado and Mansquito and all these sorts of things. They're trying. They're trying to capture. Yes, that's a real thing. They're trying to capture a movie. That's a real thing. They're trying to capture campiness forcefully. It's like trying to make a viral video, but you're trying to make it viral. You know what I'm saying? Scott, it's a mean Sloth who lives in a sorority dorm. What is not to like? OK, it forced campiness is what is not the I don't know. What made you think of this, Sarah? Yeah, some somebody had, I don't know. It came across my desk at some point. I asked Heather Frank, who loves the stuff over at have such a good day. And she was like, oh, yeah, I don't know it. But this seems like something we would be into. She and her boyfriend really like, you know, kind of campy horror things. Sure. Sure. I don't know. I just think because Scott was talking about horror movies. That's why. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this didn't come out of like totally nowhere. But I. I love a sloth. I don't really like horror movies, but I'm kind of into it if we're all in on the joke. So let's see it. And no shame, by the way, no shade on people who love that stuff. I love real like, you know, show me a toxic avenger any day of the week and I'm happy. I like cheesy stuff. I just don't like it when they're where the cheese is cheesy. It's like it's everywhere. But like, OK, look at it this way. Killer clowns from outer space from the eighties. That is pure. That is pure. That's like a good French movie from that year. It's amazing. You take you take. Here comes Roger. If you go to Italy or France or somewhere to know how to make really great cheese, that's that kind of cheese. It's almost accidental. Hammer horror films. Yes. But then you do this stuff. You make Sharknado for. You're making American, you know, those sliced green ones that come in slices and you peel off the plastic. That's that kind of cheese. It's just not really cheese. Oh, you mean the the the cheese product? What kind of cheese we're talking about? You're talking about you're talking about craft singles. Oh, craft singles are delightful. Oh, I don't mind eating them. But I know I'm not eating real cheese when I eat it. It's not real cheese. No, I get I get where we're going. Yeah, my metaphor is a long, boring one. But the point is if you want to eat the single, but you know the difference. Just know, yeah, know when you're eating Taco Bell versus like a really great street taco in Mexico. Yeah, we've said this many times. There's Mexican food. There is also Taco Bell. There you go. Yeah, that's a great way to put it. There's cheese. I've come to sum to that perfectly. And the one that's cheaper oftentimes isn't the one you think. No, no. Also, just I wouldn't. I would cheaper cheese. Is that what we're talking about? The tacos. Oh, the tacos. Yeah. Yeah. What you may think is cheap. Like, well, also, I'm not saying you should eat street tacos in Mexico because I've had friends who almost died doing that. And I'm not saying they're all like that. Almost died. Yeah, you got to get a worm thing, a parasite from a street taco and almost killed him. I think the Mono Zima's revenge thing has always been a little overblown. But I also have a strong stomach. Right. Yeah. I have Mexico. I love the street taco and I had one in Mexico and it was fine. Sarah's a street taco, Mexico survivor. So, yeah, there's your counter example. You had a taco in Mexico and all I got was this. But I also did get a brain parasite from eating street food. Not in Mexico. Not in Mexico. No, not in Mexico. So I'm like, eh. Was it here in the States? No, no, no. It was well, hard to know. There are a variety of endemic places that it could have been. India, South America and what was the other one? Certain parts of Southeast Asia. Yeah. All could have been at fault. It is not your story of getting the brain parasite if people don't know is real. That is not a joke. No, no, it really happened. Yeah. But I did always find it. I've heard you tell this story over the years and I always found it amusing when you tell the part where they're like, have you been traveling lately? And you're like, boy, howdy. Because you had been everywhere right before that. Yeah. No, it's what, gosh, I mean, how much time do we have? Not that much. So I'll keep it brief. This is something that is really rare in the US. So if it happens to you and it can be a parasite in any part of your body, but it happened to be in my brain because I'm just cool like that. They go, oh, where have you been recently? Because it is endemic in certain areas that I had been in. Street food. I eat street food all day. I'm not afraid of any street food. Even this didn't get me down and I wouldn't stop doing it. It just was a freak thing. You know what? It doesn't happen to really anybody, but it happened to me. The only organism that traveled more than you that month was this parasite because you ate it and it went all the way back up to your brain. Man. No. I mean, it could have been something she drank to like untreated water. Oh, it's, yeah. I mean, it could be a mango lassi. Like it wasn't even necessarily like some like weird meat thing, nothing. You know, it could have been anything. Yeah. I was watching something. I'm trying to remember it was. And it was a traveler and he's saying like street food's okay. You just make sure they cook it. Right? If it's something that's. But you don't know. And even if they cook it, it's like are their hands clean? And you know, there's, you have to like ask yourself that question every time. As long as it's cooked and at a high temperature, you know, and they, they. Like how are you going to ask somebody that when you, you know, I'll give you the language and you're going through a train station for five seconds. It's a good point. Folks, you're, you've got Sarah, who's done this a lot. I would, I would take her word for it. So her word was to eat. It was okay to eat street food. I was just saying as long as it's cooked all the way through. I feel like most of the time it is. You know, freak things happen. Yeah. It's not like most. You were with other people on these trips and they didn't get the brain parasite. So yeah, it was, it was unusual. It's a, it's just one of those things. You know, I mean, I practice good hygiene, do all the things, but you're still not going to. You're not going to totally stay away from these things. Street sushi. I mean, when I was, when I was in Taiwan in the late eighties, early nineties over the summer, my aunt was very careful. She was like, anything we, she, she made, she made sure like, I want to see you cook it. It was very, pardon me. It was. Oh no. I mean, it's a, at the time, it was a pretty rampant at that time from food. I don't know. I mean, I think we're all because of life at this point, you know, we're all, we have a better understanding of, of, you know, taking thing matters into your own hands. Judging risk. You know? Yeah, exactly. If, you know, you want that street taco looks kind of sus, but also looks delicious. You know, you know, like, like how much can you really control that, you know, eventual yummy taco? Not that much. I used to get regular hot dogs on gas station rollers. I know that's a bad idea. I know those are older than me. Oh, the ones like, oh, those are. I don't think they're that bad of an idea because they keep them so hot. They're barely hot. I will say, you know, I will say at 8 p.m. At 8 p.m., my friend worked at, he would always say, come around 4 p.m. because that's when we have like, you know, company policy. Oh, we put the new dogs in there. So you just grab like, all right, everything's like 50, 60% off. I find that people have much higher standards for other places food than they do for their own. Like I definitely know people who are like, oh, I wouldn't eat those, those, those hot dogs. I don't know how long they've been on the grill, who then leave food out all day in their own kitchen and eat it and eat it. Yeah. It's worse. Yeah. Piece of chicken on the counter all afternoon. Forget it. Oh, that's great. You just need to nuke it. That's what I do. Yeah. And then the cheese and the cheese starts getting like sweaty. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Even I, and I mean, trust me, I will get a parasite. I won't eat sweaty cheese. No sweaty cheese. Then your forehead's going to look like the cheese real shortly thereafter. You know, you just, I've got, I've got, I've got a, yeah, can't do it. No. You just need to microwave it. It doesn't matter if it's a salad, cheese, taco. Ice cream. Microwave it for two minutes. It's going to kill everything straight through. If you have a hot salad. Consider it. It's horrifying, but also not the worst advice. If you're in a pinch, but let's all hope that we're not in that pinch. He doesn't kill everything though. That's true. It doesn't. Gosh, do I know it? Yeah. Yeah, that's true. So I'm like, what are I asking for another person? I mean, if you get the Freddy Kruger of parasites, yeah, it's flames alone or not. No, no, no, we're there. There's all kinds of things that can survive through heat. You kill most of the bacteria. That's not the only thing that can get you. Ironically, if you microwave the blue ray 4k version of parasite, it doesn't actually work. It doesn't. You get two copies. Who wins at the end of the movie? It was a little up in the air. You know, I haven't seen that movie in a while. And I watched it. I think I watched it a total of three times because I liked it so much. It's such a good movie. It's such a good movie. And, you know, I recommended it to people and, you know, with a variety of results, you know, somebody would say, well, that was kind of disturbing. I'm like, yeah. Well, it's called parasite. I have. I think I've recommended this to you before, Sarah, but you should watch Ginny's kitchen on Amazon. I think you have. And I meant to write it down. I never did. And I'm reminded of it because it takes place in Mexico. They're making street food. They're making Korean street food in Mexico. That's the gist is like introducing cross culture, but they're in Mexico. They're making street food. And one of the people in the show is the kid from parasite. Oh, really? Like he's working in the restaurant because all the people working in the restaurant are celebrities in Korea. Oh, I see. Ginny with a J. J. Yeah. So this is a reality thing. It's not a drawer. Yeah. Yeah. They opened a pop up shop in Mexico to see, you know, what would happen. And they have to operate the restaurant and everything. Oh yeah. Oh, I'm into this. Korean. Korean Mexican fusions are thing too. Yeah, right. Good combos. Yeah. The best part is like every once in a while, I was like, you look familiar. And he's just like, yeah, I was in the movie parasites. And they're like, oh, yeah, that's what I heard. But don't worry. I cook everything all the way through. I'm not like that. I'm not like that. None of our food has parasites. Just me. That's great. Oh, that's funny. Oh, I love it. Yeah. I could, I could eat a right now. I could eat a burrito with kimchi on it. For example, no problem. Wouldn't even hesitate. You know, last. And kimchi for lunch. Friday. We do that all the time. Shannon Morris. We were all talking about what you like, if you have to pick one cuisine forever. Oh, right. That was our debate. So I was like sushi. And everyone was like, sushi though. And I was like, well, Japanese, Japanese food. Sure. You know, that's fair. Tom said Korean. I think somebody said Mexican, you know, and I keep thinking about that because I'm like, it does change by the day. Yeah. I believe I would do. I'm with Tom. I would. Korean food is never not good. I love it every time I have it. So I think I could, plus I feel like it's healthier. All my Korean siblings are skinny and healthy and, you know, don't, don't show their age. It seems to be working for that. It's got to be some of the food. So I think she's an anti, what do they call it? An anti agent or aging. Yeah. No, I know it. I know the word you're reaching for, but I can't think of it either. Yeah. Well, the word I'm reaching for right now is thank you. Thank you to everyone who makes the show possible. I hope folks are enjoying the free preview this week that we've been giving you. If you like this extended content and you want more of it, well, pop on over to patreon.com slash D TNS and become a member. So it doesn't stop. We like to thank all of the folks who support us on Patreon. Dan's been over there, like and post. So is Fakie knows grab double zero. We got some comments and likes from Tony, the Disney dad and Jess Galloway, R W Nash. Thanks everybody for being a patron or becoming a patron. 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