 Greetings. We'll wait until at least five after here to see if anyone shows up. If not sure if this is a holiday. Oh, there's Tom. There we go. Hey Tom. How are you. Am I right? Were you here last week? No, there was no meeting last week. I didn't think so. I'm wondering if there's another holiday for other folks today. Or everybody's cyber Monday shopping, trying to get sales. Yeah. We were you were you off on leave all of next week. Sorry, last week or. That's hardly. Yeah. Yeah, that was the plan. Had to do a bit of work. Always gets in the way. Yeah. We already got the top code. There's the link. What's that? Meeting notes. Shared the link. Yeah. We'll give it a couple more minutes and see your joins. Sounds good. No public holidays I'm aware of today. Let's see we can remove one summit from this one. Yep. And the elephant ETF. No. Okay. Let's make a start. So yeah. So the only upcoming event on the list at the moment is Kubecon EU in April. Let me see. We just written that. So more info on the December 5th. I think that's both the marketing. And the respect us and also any. Program committee interest form. I know I've had. Which is awful. Chat from Swiss com. Who was there last year. Was expressed an interest in. Helping on the program committee. So once we've got a form for that good to share. That's only for the main event. I think. The CODO CFP date is later. I think, isn't it? Yeah, the cloud native telco day. Yeah. Yes. And not open yet. Yeah, okay. Try to have it open in December. Okay. Sounds good. Okay. So generally. The telco events that you know of that would be interesting and good. Right, right in here. Nothing. Global. No. I'm aware, for example, there's the. Layer one, two, three. Something. Congress. Oh yeah. In December. I don't know. I don't know if you can see my screen. Can apologies. The layer one, two, three world Congress. So. There's a cloud native telco bit to that. Around table. But I don't know how. I don't know if it's global or. Whatever that is. Right. We've actually talked with folks in the past. For the layer one, two, three. I think there may have even been a presentation. Or at least request and kind of remember. That one would be a good one. Just. I guess to write it down or I can add it to the. Oh, that's in December. That's like right now, isn't it? Yes. Next Monday to Wednesday. Oh, okay. Finally, I got an email from. One of the organizers. Milad. Keep it together, the agenda. Right. But no, I'm not aware of anything else other than that. Looks like. Robbie's going to be there. Oh, right. Okay. As a speaker. Just scrolling through the speaker last year. Right. Anything in next year. First or second quarter. So. So I was at the UK. Kubernetes community days event last week in London. Right. And the CEO of open UK. Amanda Brock. Mentioned she was organizing an all about open source conference. I can't remember what it was called. I can't remember the URL, which is irritating. And see if I can find it on Twitter. So I'm not all about state of open.com. I can't actually get to the website on this machine because. It's a newly registered domain and my work security. Policies don't allow me to browse such things. All right. That might be of interest. I don't know if it's again, whether it's UK. Kind of focused or just generally about open source, but that might be interesting. Looking at it, that is. In London on the 7th and 8th of February. So it's just like an open source conference or. More in general, or. Yeah, so it's not telco specific. It's open source. Yeah, agreed. Schedule coming soon. Incredible lineup coming soon. Okay. We can't say. Have you been there in the past. I think this is the first iteration of it. All right. From what she was saying last week. You know, who open UK are there. There are. Non-profit body. Advocates for open source and. Open data. Primarily within government contracts and. Technology implementations. I think. But they, you know, they brought branched out into kind of supporting open source in general. All right. Sounds good. So what about the Linux foundation conferences, like the. The open source on it. I know that. Is going to be one in Japan, but I don't know if after that one. If they have an ounce. But it's going to be the next one, you know. Open source summit. North America will be in Vancouver in 2023. That's May though. Yes, that's fine. It's after coupon. Let's see when is the Europe. Europe is September. So even after that. In Spain. Open source summit. Yeah. September. Then. North America, November 6th to 10th. Well, there's quite a few things happening in Japan. Cloud open container con. If they're all co-located with the open source summit. Oh yeah, these are all I see that. Yeah. December. Yep. Okay, let's move on. If there's no more events to write. Is there anything that you have Victor? Interesting events coming next year. Check anything. But yeah, we'll start looking for. So other agenda items I thought it was worth. For those of you who rent to. The one summit. And potentially any of the attached events like the elephant DTF or nephew summit, whether. There's any kind of good feedback or interesting things. So share the group. Sure. Do you want to start Taylor or I can start. Um, The very first thing that came to my mind, I mean, there's a lot of different things happening going on, but. I did. Talk with someone from. The German. The German. The German. The German. Any agriculture department that's doing. Sustainability. Agriculture. And they're. They're using a Kubernetes. With their IoT devices that are going all out. All over the place. So. Interesting. Yeah. I think there's a lot of great stuff. And I think there's some relation to, well, I mean, they were literally at the, the one summit and. Um, The developer forum. And talking about the networking aspects and everything else. So. I had some conversations with them and hoping to get them engaged in. Sustainability and energy stuff. With tying with the CNCS efforts on, so they have a. A group that's focused on sustainability and with best practices that we're looking at that overlaps into networking telecom. So helping to get them engaged. And they had a pretty interesting. That's kind of maybe one of the ones that's more. Off of what we would, I would normally have been thinking about going into. That specific conference. Versus the telecom networking focused. Victor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The one thing that really surprised me about the, especially from. From the awareness. Conference. Or I don't know, like, maybe it's more like. And. Developer testing forum. I just found like. There's a lot of a force in the, in the owner. Side. That was surprised for me because I consider like it's a. I didn't see too much. But it seems like the community is still trying to, to get in there. The last day of the last session of the last day. They were talking about the integration with nephew. So they are retaking the, the efforts to. Try to. Connect on up with a Kubernetes. Different ways. And they didn't know how to do it, but they have an idea. Like the different components that they have to modify it like. So, and. DC. What is the name DC, DC or things as well. So, but yeah, they're, they're still. Very heavy Intel. Interesting on that. About nephew in particular. Yeah. Most of the comments that I heard was like. They are trying to cover too much. And they, they are like putting. A lot of high expectations on that project. So, but in general, I guess that there are certain, certain technologies that has to be. Learn for, for that one of them is. I don't know how they pronounce it. Yeah, it's, it's one of the crucial. Google's. Tool that they are promoting. For, for. So, and, and obviously they are trying to replace him. So they don't want to use him. They want to offer. Or, or the way that they are. Suggesting to. Crazy. The way that they are suggesting to. Crazy and F's are true. Operators. So. Yeah, so basically. It's a kind of radical. Suggestion and. More cloud native. Ways to do things. Let's see how the, the telco industry is. It's open to, to accept all these. New ways to accept. The development. It was, it was kept. And the, the alternative to helm. So. Yeah, it's a. I don't know what, what kept terms. Yeah. Without. Keep it. This one. No, no, no, it's. Key. Be as a Peter and tears at home. Yeah. That one. So it seems like. Kind of provide a similar thing like. Like how. So, but using. What is the name? Yeah. They have a different approach, but so. So basically it's pretty much like. Having a CNF. Using github's. That's. That's idea. Like develop all this. You know, like, like on up when, when you create like a CNF, you know, or BNF in on up. So you have to go through the. To a workflow where like. Like a BNF vendor has to review it and approve and do all these things. In, in on up. So with, with that field. Basically, you're going to have the similar workflow, but more like a github's. Manor. So. You would have the similar like. Review and approval process, but yeah, it's your best. You're approving the pull request and things like that. And so. So they're also using the backstage technology. It's like a. Spotify. Two. So it's quite interesting like what they're doing. So hopefully. You know, I think this is a new ways has been as happened by the industry because. Yeah, they are still just in on up and trying to feel how to use on up. And how you propose a new ways to do things. Obviously. I don't know if they want to. Reinvest in all these things. Okay. Thank you. Any other comments from. Events. Just trigger thought actually. So Taylor, you were asking about silver. The other day. Which I know resourced at. One summit. I don't know if you wanted to kind of brief overview of what it is. What it aims to achieve. Yeah, that'd be great. So. It started as an idea of. Building a production ready open source telco cloud stack. Which obviously sounds a little bit like. What's been done in open stack and other places before. And is morphed slightly into. What's being called a software framework. Where by the. Companies working within the silver project will. Aim to. Develop. Features and fixes to. Common telco. Concerns or problems that exist in existing open source projects. So rather than focusing purely on being a kind of. Here's a new way of integrating Kubernetes and. Yeah, stuff. Let's let's all club together and work on. Something that's an issue for. Telcos in open source projects. Whether that's Kubernetes or not. The, the, the kind of background to it is. The EU has a program called important project common European. Interest IPCEI. And. This was deemed one of them. Hence why it's being registered with LF Europe. Which was in it, which was launched at the SS summit. In September, I think. So whilst. Whilst it's being launched from Europe. There was. A desire to try and make sure it doesn't become a Europe only thing. The challenge with it is that some of the. Participants. Are also pushing the idea of. Testing and validation center as part of the project. Which. Which obviously then brings it into. A little bit more of a closer overlap with things like. The assured by Annika. Program and the CNF certification program. And so. There are a few of us. Who were involved. Go gay. Gail from Ericsson. We've all made the point that. There needs to be. Not just reuse of things like the CNF test suite. It's not just to it. From the silver project. So that it's useful and valid. So hopefully that's the direction of travel is. The people who. The. Telcos and so on. Provides to work on silver. Actually ended up working on. You know, Kubernetes pull requests and. And so on. We'll see. Interesting to. See how that goes. And. Have you heard an interest. And collaboration. And I guess. The. That contribution. Folks. That may be able to join. In addition to people that are, you know, already here. So. The, the only interest I've heard. So, so. The, the seven initial members are. I've heard of interest from. HPE Dell and Intel. Personally. I know from. Talking to other people from those companies. I just mentioned that. Other network vendors like Mavaneer. Have expressed interest in the past. Not, not specifically. Any other operators, but. And. But I. I'm kind of stepping away from silver and someone else in. Vodafone is sort of taking my place because we. We're. We're kind of moving it more towards the. The work we're doing with open run. Rather the work I do. On. Mobile core. We think silver has more. Interest in our man space. So it's being run by someone else in Vodafone. So they may have. Had more interest from other people, but I don't know. All right. Yeah, nice to get. Some of those folks engaged in our working group and. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. I think we can. Maybe talking about. What the needs are so that we can align it and think. If, I mean, if they're incorporating some now, we want to make sure that. What are, where are they going? And what's missed. What about the O-Ran then? Unless anyone has any questions or comments about silver. So the anything I'll add to what you were just saying is. So what I can do now is share. More openly with. Then. The CNF test suite CNF working group and suggest contributions. Into it. Before silver launched, we were operating under an MOU legal framework. Standing. So there was a kind of limits to kind of how public and. Open. To an extent that we could be and how involved in. Other things we could get. And how much we could share about what was going on, but now it's. Now it's properly launched within each foundation. That's all. Barry has gone. So. So I'm happy to share that information with the people who are running the validation center stuff within silver. That's easy for me to do. All right. Sounds great. Does anyone have questions. For Tom on about silver. Probably I need to start checking that. That links and read information, maybe. Yeah, any questions? Okay. Yeah, I was just. Do you see. Areas where we could have collaboration and work with the run project. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I know some of some of the. Some of the Iran software elements are. Going to be Cuban at his base. So I think the concept of being able to. Certify them using a. Something like the CNF test suite certainly sounds sensible to me. What about overlap with, is there going to be. Incorporation of ideas and. And technology that. Silver and. For any other. Projects that's trying to. Do cloud native. Stack. I'll just call a stack wherever it is. On the stack all the way down to hardware. Yeah. Oh, we're in. Look at nephew or silver. And so. I don't think there's any overlap between silver and nephew. So nephew is. Is concerned with the. Life cycle management of. Cloud native network functions. Whereas silver is concerned with the. The execution environment. So the, the Kubernetes layer and kind of cluster management of Kubernetes down. So it's not. So in effect, I think there's quite a clean. Delineation between. Silver's concerns are and what nephew's concerns are. If I think about other things like. Some of the projects in the open stack. Or if an infra foundation. There is probably some overlap. Things like. Accra, you know. I'm starting X. And so on. And. I'm not sure I could give a good answer as to why. A new thing has been spun up. And. Other than. Trying to fix what was. Potentially not perfect with those other. Solutions. But, um. But again, silver isn't. Isn't going to. Try and be opinionated. About the hardware. In terms of, you know, you have to use. This vendor or this particular type. Other than potentially some functionality. Features like. DPDK. And so. Tom, do you see any. Probably a relation with a. I don't get project or like how. Silver can be. Combined with. Yeah, so, so one of the things. Myself and go gay and gay or especially. The three of us were trying to push from a quite an early stage was. You know, we, we, we spent a lot of time building the. Anarchy reference architecture. And the reference. Performance tests in anarchy. And. There was a concern that silver would be. Anarchy reference architecture. So within anarchy, there's a reference implementation. But it, it is. It is purely a reference implementation that is used to. Test. The reference conformance. Test. Sweet. Framework. And the reference. Implementation. What we. We managed to achieve was that we. Silver is now going to essentially be a. An implementation of the anarchy reference architecture. So within anarchy, there's a reference implementation. But it. It is. And the reference implementation isn't particularly useful for. Kind of an external party to anarchy. So. You know, the, the goal of anarchy and the reference architecture was always. You know, community and or vendor implementations would be based upon it. So the anarchy specifications would provide input to the requirements of a. Of a. Stack that would then be deployed. And that's the plan. The silver is that the anarchy reference architecture specs are. You know, input requirements to the stack. And so. The, the gaps that anarchy finds for, I don't know, certain communities features or. Multis features or something else. They could then end up being. The. You know, the PRs, the issues that. Silver collaborators work on. That makes sense. So I think. So I think there's a, there's a kind of double edge to its relationship with anarchy. There's. It will be a consumer of the anarchy reference architecture. However, I think it's relationship with the reference conformance tests and the anarchy badging process is similar to that of the. It's relationships, the CNF test suite. And the CNF. Certification program in the. There's a risk it becomes a. You know, uses the test suite. Sort of the anarchy reference conformance tests. And then adds new ones. That are specific to silver without. Contributing those back to anarchy. And again, you know, we've tried to highlight that. That silver should be contributing back to anarchy, as well as the CNF test suite. It's kind of dependent on. On the project itself, making sure that happens. That's always a problem. Yep. So I'll see a question. Yeah, yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. Thanks. Okay. Okay. Any other questions on silver or anything else related to that? If not, we'll pop onto the. Issues and PR review. I can't think of anything right now, but I'm going to go dig in and probably have more for you later. Yeah, sure. Okay. So there are no requests open. Issues. There are no new ones open. I have not had a chance to. Do anything on the one that's assigned to me. I don't know, Victor or Taylor, whether you've got any updates on the others. I haven't had a chance to. To work on them. Okay. Yeah, nothing for me. I have been thinking about it a little bit over, I guess last week early in the week and. Thank you. What do we want to. Get. What can we get? What do we want to get? What can we get completed? What do we want to complete? And. The. I mean, some of the smaller ones that definitely, you know, like a type that add title to exception stock, we just need to. Knock out. The. The bottom one don't run containers with privilege flag. That would be the, I think, The bottom one. That would be the bottom one. That would be the bottom one related to more of the. Stuff that I do think we should focus on and trying to see how it's going to tie in with. Other things to accomplish. I've been talking about it for a while, but getting more of the best practices. It would be. There's, I would like to get some out. And if y'all are available, I would like to get some of the best practices. I would like to get some of them that we already have content. And it's more of working to take the content and put it in the format. I'd like to do that. And then in addition. Maybe start working on. A write up, which could be a loose version of the best practice where we were not working about it being perfect. But, you know, the summary title and some of the other sections. So, you know, I would like to get some of the best practices. A best practice or set of practices. That are related to. Like silver or in whatever. That we can say here is something that we're working on. And see if we can get other folks interested. So there's the one where we know that, you know, let's just get these outs to the containers of privilege flag that's fine. But we want to get other people engaged. And I think if we can have some topics where there are already part of it, then that would be good. Take what we're talking about. So that's kind of where I'm thinking I want to focus some time over the next. I know we're coming to the end of the year, but through the end of the year and into next year. How do we get more people engaged? Yeah. So you thinking, you know, like a couple of hour working session to sort of batter out the wording and get it into a point where it's ready to be merged. Yeah, that's it. And, you know, as we're doing that, if we're thinking of other ideas for one like to get, you know, a Google doc or something set up where we just start throwing those in there and building out. The next one, but get, get, get. You know, one of them or however many we feel like where we already have content spend that time. And that's beside these items on here, like the add title to exception stock. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. If y'all are up for it. I'll, I'll try to throw out some times and. Yeah, I think that makes sense. It'll be a good way to do it. Okay. Any other. Anything. I think that's it. Thanks. No worries. Catch you later. Thank you to you. Thank you.