 Welcome back to the Evolution of Content series presented by Solis and Cointelegraph. This series of panels explores how content creation, distribution, and engagement are evolving, featuring a curated selection of producers, actors, directors, artists, creators, and founders with traditional and Web3 experience. Today's panel explores the real-world applications of Web3 technologies, with John Brotherton of fantasy football cos, Brett Clavel of Solis and Humble House, Cass Vegas of Feature, and Michael Wasserman of Tiltify, hosted by Cointelegraph's Anastasia Drinewskaya and Shira Lazar of What's Trending. This is How Web3 Can Advance Real-World Impact Driven Initiatives. Hey, it's Shira Lazar from What's Trending and Anastasia Drinewskaya from Cointelegraph, and today we're talking about how Web3 can advance real-world impact-driven initiatives and we have a great panel here today. We brought in amazing people here and we are so excited to present them. Yeah, definitely. We have some friends here and people I've worked with also, so this is really fun. Brett, Cass, John, and Michael joining us via Zoom. Welcome. Welcome. I think we have to start somehow and let's start with this question. How do the innovations of Web3 translate into a real world? Brett? You want to ask me first? Of course. I think what we've seen and what we're excited about now of how Web3 is going to apply to this is really getting communities involved versus just donating money. I think that's a lot of what Web3 is about is about ownership right now and it's about transparency and it's about becoming part of a community and staying part of that community and that's what I think I'm seeing and excited about in terms of how we can create impact through the content we create is that someone is not just participating in the moment and then moving on to the next moment is that they're staying present through that engagement and through that opportunity and then how we're able to convert them into real-world action is I think where the true power of Web3 is going to materialize. Yeah, because we see a lot of fundraising happening which is so key, right? And unique ways to do it whether through NFTs or DAOs or other ways to get people incentivized, but Cass, where do you see that actually impacting our actions, right? Because you can create a lot of impressions on social media but does it actually lead to anything? I think what's interesting about having a real-world impact is it depends what world you come from, right? So we kind of all live in different worlds and what I like about Web3 is you clash and bring all those worlds together and so there's a lot more access for people to come up with projects, ideas and foundations to actually give back. It's not just the same ones that you're used to. So I think that's a really important aspect to know lowering that barrier of entry to just participate to give impact is different. You're going to see leadership come from people you've never heard of before that really want to be a part of something or help their community and you're seeing that kind of spread and manifest in different ways. Definitely. I feel like we need to ask you the original question, John. We just already started jumping. No, it's all good. So I kind of have an interesting dive into this world. So we have a fantasy football show that we wanted, we call it guilt-free fantasy football because we want to do a fantasy football show but for charity. So no one could act like we're just wasting time on stats, right? So first season we're raising money traditional routes through charity where you're just giving and donating but now we're trying to find a way to keep the donors involved where they feel like they're getting something in return. It's almost like getting a piece of ownership whether there's a utility attached or gives them some right within the show. There's an NFT attached and so it's just a more creative way to allow the audience to be involved versus just cutting a check. Now they're cutting a check but it's kind of giving them a little bit of a partnership in our world. They've really become a member of the show. They have a piece of the pie. And I think to your point that's such a specific niche that you have a passion for. It's like fantasy football, we could do more with it and that's what I like seeing is people are coming from different worlds with different IPs and still finding that commonality of I want to give back, yours happens to be fantasy football, right? No, exactly. Like I said, it was our way of going, me and a bunch of friends, Brett included, going how do we turn our hobby into not just wasted time? Let's attach some charity to it and get some cameras and make some people laugh and have a good time. The charity thing has really incorporated NFTs into raising money for charity has allowed us to really bring in the audience. And now instead of it just being a show, we're building a world. Yeah, that's the idea. You're building a world that this community now is participating in that and in multiple layers to come. Yeah, and ways for people to continue being connected. Like Michael, I've known you from way back. We did a lot of fundraising through Tiltify. I haven't even heard what you're up to in the Web 3 world or how that has transitioned from what you started with. We haven't quite gotten into the Web 3 stuff yet, but why I find it so interesting is that really when we built Tiltify, it was about innovating what was happening at the time. Like from a charity perspective, charity fundraising generally has stayed about 2% of GDP in the US forever. And it hasn't really moved. And I think one of the reasons it hasn't moved is in order for it to move in a big way, there has to be some sort of innovation which changes things. So like when we created Tiltify and we created unique engagements like polls and rewards and milestones and all these ways that people can engage, which is similar to what John was talking about with the fantasy football, it allows people to get involved in some way and that excited people. And that's why one of the things that we changed heavily in the charity space is the typical average a person would raise when they fundraise for charity generally in individual fundraising campaigns is about $400. On Tiltify, it's $1,200 because of the interaction. And what I think is super interesting about Web 3 is taking that a step further and figuring out how these interactions can go even deeper. And like you guys were saying, giving people ownership, giving people participation and really thinking about where that goes in 2023 and 2024. I think the most important thing is not just to create a community who will be interested in give money to charity, but also Web 3 can bring a lot of transparency and trust, which we are trying to talk about all the time in our previous panels. Because before I know that like charity with all the respect was the huge laundry money for a lot of like not very trustful people. And now people can be sure that all the money which they donate to other people can go directly to them without any like other secrets. Because I think it was a kind of barrier between the communities. People scared to go to charity because they are not sure that the money will come directly to the people who need them. I think the transparency of the new technology is what's really going to advance the trust in terms of what you're giving your money to. I think that's one thing that Tiltify has done really really well is you know when you give money it's going directly to the charity that you want it to go to. Now where the disconnect may happen is what does that charity actually do with the money. There's no longer that transparency where maybe that's the future we're headed to, where you actually can track the money further than it actually getting to the recipient, but all the way down to how it's actually being used and how it's being applied. Say for our show what we're trying to do is fun things just because our audience is going to be mainly football fans or fantasy football fans. So not only the donating to charity, but our NFTs will have utilities attached. So then if there is issues in the league that we want to vote on something for next season, everyone who owns that NFT can be a voting member of the community. Or if there's a community driven team where they actually control one of the teams in the league by having that NFT they retain the right to you know to make that vote to be involved. And then the other thing that we want to assure is like if they decide one day for them to sell it they can flip it, but then the charity still gets paid again. Like the idea is that like it can you know go on in perpetuity. The idea that over the past decade we've raised hundreds of millions of dollars for charity or we've raised whatever anybody has raised always been able to raise money before an event. Always been able to raise money during an event. Never really been able to raise money after it. Consistently. Yeah. And that perpetual revenue that you can create off of one moment in time that can continue to drive that impact that's what's really exciting. To add to that to kind of preface this my background is in public health and so I used to work overseas the study of disease control and finding the root cause and problems and helping communities on a grassroots level and then with NGOs on a governmental level and so I've seen a full spectrum of as you mentioned like okay maybe this money goes from A to B but what happens when it's at B and it's all those logistical moments that make a huge impact or don't and there's a distrust if it doesn't. We always do post-analysis in charity and NGOs in public health. I've brought that kind of perspective to the web three space because it's very short-term thinking sometimes and to be fair the tools are really new too. So when there are a lot of creatives who love to give to charities they want to do art and film and things for good reasons the infrastructure wasn't quite there yet on a simple example of like having a multi-sig wallet which is we can split where the money comes in to the charity and then to this person and to that person and before that it would just go to a centralized wallet and so the other aspect is not all charities are on board or accepting accepting of crypto and so it's like well we don't want to take that money that's like money laundering money right so we have to go through this philosophical and behavioral change and optic change for that money to also do good or else it kind of gets bottlenecked. When we're talking about charity and humanity in general it's not about just raising money you can support people with other types of help and other kinds of help sometimes just conversation it's already charity for the people who are who cannot be involved like at this point and there is how metaverse can help for example because you can bring people to this virtual space and get them help because some of them can stay anonymous or something like that and as we discussed previously you cannot even count in numbers your impact as a human when it in terms of personal relations how like the price of connection the price of the content the price of the conversation it's uncountable. I think the future of giving back is saying like how can you give back because it is a privilege to be able to spend money on something and give money so how do you quantify that does it mean I'm retweeting something does it mean I'm amplifying something does it mean I'm sharing my platform to be an advocate right am I going to actually change but the shift and Michael I kind of throw it back to you too because of what we did with the Goonies live stream when Humble House and Tiltify aligned to raise money for No Kid Hungry a few years ago I think we learned a little something through that process because it was the first time at least I did it and I think it was the first time we did it together where you could donate in real time to own a prop from the from the live stream that money was going to charity but you were no longer that that shift of I'm no longer donating money and just giving it away psychologically I was buying something but it was still a donation so that is a little bit of like what we may experience moving forward is how do we not how do we provide value and and Tiltify kind of created that mechanism for whether or not they were able to influence the content they were watching or whether or not they were able to help achieve a goal and felt like they were participating in the growth or the success of that fundraiser now we're actually giving them something in return whether it's fantasy football NFTs whether it's a physical prop and and that is the shift in I'm no longer donating I'm purchasing or I'm participating or I'm participating yeah this is the most important because I'm purchasing like about buying experience if you look back not too far ago the entire planet we went through a pandemic where we all needed something we were all looking so introspectively because work did a full stop and that was kind of a click for humanity to go wow I need mental health care I do I even want to do that job you know I've been doing it for 10 years do I even like it you know and we all just took a pause and that was that moment where it's like now that I kind of understand myself a little bit more and I can shift my path we kind of collectively gathered on certain social medias like clubhouse was it was a big one that's where NFTs really actually blew up it was there before and then 2020 2021 it really blew up and people were able to have this social interaction where they could be there for each other and that's when you kind of felt this cultural like global shift I think that's really important to remember you know we didn't just all collectively say let's all just donate let's all just do this we collectively went through a hardship and I think that's that's a deeper level I just wanted to bring up the club clubhouse happened led to NFTs led to these collectors emerging these new personalities and led to world disasters happening besides the pandemic and then saying okay how do we use this for fundraising to give back and then I do want to talk about like the emergence of dows decentralized autonomous organizations I want to talk about how then you know money was raised whether for you know Ukraine reproductive rights and now Iran like all of that really galvanized the web3 community and it was part of actually the emergence of the community so it actually created the foundation of what we actually care about and what we want to do with all this stuff and who's going to be the people that do it and who are going to be the people that don't care are going to be complicit like I feel like it really separated those people I think one of the interesting things about this when you look at the history of fundraising in the past it's sort of like the next evolution of affinity groups like for years you've have you know this group that gets together for lunch every Friday and wants to do something or this book club that wants to get involved or you know this group people that play basketball together or whatever and you know it's very common and has been very common for charitable organizations to work with affinity groups over the years and I think the opportunity now with web3 is it's becoming the new affinity group option where people can join together that's how you create your club that's how you have your membership dues or whatever you do or whatever you all do that you know you do as a group but that then gives you that idea like you were saying of like what are we going to do whether it's raising money for charity whether it's volunteering whether it's taking you know a particular action on social media but it allows you to sort of start doing things as a group and sort of like a snowball when you roll it down the hill it gathers more people and you grow your affinity group and I think that's what's sort of parallels the traditional world and shows kind of where the evolution I think is going in both the charity and the social space of how people are grouping together and Michael like in terms of web3 and how everything goes to web3 what is the biggest challenge for charity because we see a lot of opportunities but what is the next step for charity maybe the community can help in this at this point I mean I think I think one to go super basic the first barrier is everybody understanding what it is myself included but especially the you know thousands of organizations that we deal with you know the finding that common language where everyone goes oh okay I get it is sort of phase one of everyone understanding and I think everyone knows it's something and is trying to figure that out and somehow and a lot just don't know what that something is yet and there's been a lot of things thrown at you it reminds me of when the internet was created in the 90s right you just had a lot of stuff being thrown out some good some terrible and then in the early 2000s and mid 2000s it was like okay this is what the internet is and now we can't live without it so I feel like we're in that transition point of people starting to understand how to do it I think uh one of the things that solves which is interesting which is sort of the opposite of your question but it just came to mind one of the things that it solves that I've talked to a lot of organizations about is as the globalization of charitable participation has started to grow heavily over the last few years you know it used to be if you're an organization in LA you raise money in LA it's not opposite it's always important how to scale because scalability if like there is no point to start any business or like other community building process without scalability it's useless so yeah right and and certain barriers with I guess I'll call it traditional money is that it's hard to send money cross border especially from different countries in different places one of the things that I found really interesting in my discussions with charities is that web3 technology and cryptocurrency helps solve that problem of you know it's much easier to move money around it's also much safer to move money around the one thing is um that we're learning with solace and what we're doing um is the fact that a lot of charities the anonymity that's possible in web3 makes a lot of organizations um have trepidation of who are they taking money from um organizations we've talked to that have taken very large sums of money and they don't really know what to do with it because they they want to be really clear about so this is where securitization and we've integrated KYC AML into solace for that specific reason because there is a use case scenario for anonymity and and for that and there is a use case scenario where you want to know who you're taking money from or who's involved and does it matter does it matter yeah it makes a difference well it depends if it depends if you're an actual organization that has reporting you know yeah well then it doesn't the reporting shift right like the the term of charity is not about reporting actually it's about help so if this money will close the needs of a lot of people who cares from which exact resources this money came from those organizations maybe yeah exactly yeah i think are you gonna take a buddy from a blood diamond i mean we all knew what fdx was giving back to a lot of companies yeah yeah this is moving extremely fast in the sense that there are no standard operations of procedure and so the culture of it is moving outside of the infrastructure of it outside of the the regulation of it outside of even a moment to think and say like is this you know good should we take money from anyone anywhere to help this cause and then what makes this cause more important than this cause how do we triage causes you know what where is the order of operations and so that's one of the difficult aspects to me as an educator in this space i see that onboarding is very asymmetrical and what i mean by that is we tend to say people need to learn the terms we need to educate them we need to onboard them but no one is really fixing the infrastructure inside in which there's scams there's security issues regulations are not there yet and you're bringing people into a very dangerous environment and so what i would like to see is a balance of onboarding but in parallel of fixing the tooling that kind of offers a safer on ramp for people to enter into the space and i know we're deep into the space i'm deep into the space and so we're very excited about it but it's just not a safe space to bring the average person and they can't bring them their best self if they don't feel safe you know they they're not going to want to bring their money their time their energy if their friend just got scammed yeah i mean we're still it's we're in the infant stage of all of that i mean i i practice on my mom in the car here like trying to explain in like the most layman terms you know like what is it we're doing because i want to get to that place where in one sentence we can sum up exactly what we're doing and so like i have a question for you uh as an educator i'm so curious like there's been a lot of trepidation the last like two weeks which everything's gone down in this crazy crypto world like what do you say to the naysayer that's like trepidation so all of a sudden gone oh yep see i told you so the crypto world's a big scam and there are scams out there like how do we start to weed out scams versus non-scams and what's really you know a good investment or a good quality exchange or like so first of all i'll get more specific on educator because i was educating people that were already eager to know and learn about the space and so we're running through different things and learning together versus i'm trying to educate outside of the bubble that we're in and and again those things are not in place so outside of the bubble they're already naysayers inside of the bubble they're not really they're either on the fence or they're with you so they understand the terminology and and the things that are happening with ftx etc so i i i like to rather be a magnet of education than a pushy person i'd rather open the door for you to come in then kind of shove you through hopefully that answers your question i think it's a it's a similar john like we you know you and myself and and michael what eight years ago was the first game for paul and that was first time raising a hundred thousand dollars through live streaming and that was a brand new idea at the time right and you had to convince a lot of people over years and years like we did that year over year and it got better and it got better and it got better but initially it was like what is this i'm donating online well i'm not writing a physical check like what am i doing right now similar era like there are um you know swiping a credit card you run the risk that somebody's put something on that they're going to steal your your credit right you're not going to say i'm never using a credit card again it's just somebody was a bad player in the space and i think that's what we're seeing is it's it is education it's continuing to educate that there are bad players the technology is still strong the internet bubble the burst that happened it's the same thing and guess what amazon came out of it google came out of it all the companies that are basically the biggest companies today came out of it so do you want to miss out on that no so have patience let the crappy stuff fall apart and let the good stuff rise and i think what's also evolving is the way that we fundraise right it's not it used to just be a gala right it used to be charities just sending out mass mailing to their constituents that they might have a an an address for and that was how you fundraise now um you know what we did during the live stream theater series where we created live stream um script reads are your favorite films like days and confused and all of that and those were fundraising we you were being entertained you were watching your favorite actors perform your favorite movie but you had either donated for that experience to to to watch that and even now with what we're doing with solace we have a tv show called effect change where we're actually financing a project through nfts but every episode is about a different topic or a different initiative that the community sees and that episode is actually highlighting that initiative so we're actually creating television shows that are impacting and fundraising or the power of nfts is now if you're a filmmaker you can make a movie and part of those funds can transparently go towards impact so we're talking with a filmmaker that's making a movie about um famous surfer and i'm not going to name uh specifics but but some of those funds we're talking about will be put into a um treasury where now the community that participated in that drop can say this happened and we're going to put money towards ocean conservation in this area or we're going to put money towards this oil spill or so the community actually through watching a film is going to now be impacting the real world which i think is still is not just writing a check and donating but actually doing something i enjoy that is also affecting the world in a positive way yeah what you were talking about which i think is really interesting is advocacy happening through storytelling right and and being part of the community so community building also like in the past you donate money but you wouldn't know who else was donating money here people are either brought in to discord chats or other stuff like that where if they bought in and it's token gated and you're like oh there's people that are like minded that are supporting the thing i want to support and then also i think storytelling goes back to the uh also education it's like we need storytelling as part of this and web three is such a great intersection of storytellers creatives technologists and like everyone i it's a smorgasbord of everyone brought put together and i feel like it's finally working versus you know in web two it's things are still siloed and we're seeing the power that happens when you bring together all these different experts and ways of doing things to really like amplify including causes so i think what you brought up is so interesting because yeah you could have an artist that creates an nft around ocean conservation it goes to the uh you know non-profit and then you could also when buying it you can get a token gated access to a community that likes to talk about it and then people brought together also in an irel event through token proof you know this ticketing platform so you're like seeing all of this work um and intertwine to like yeah come together for a greater good instead of just coming together for like random other stuff that no one really cares about and we did we gave for paul like imagine what would happen now because what would happen is we every year once a year that community came together around fast and furious community came together to to support paul's organization that he launched um and and john was in furious seven and and really close with the family but you imagine now what would happen that community would stay in touch in between events what i found interesting during that whole process is that the i guess you call repeat customers so to speak people that would donate multiple times were the people that rosa rosa exactly were the people that we were able to recognize through the chat on tiltify or they would donate we'd say their name we'd thank them there was like this and then soon enough there'd be like another donation coming in from like an hour later or they'd be re they'd come back the next year it was like when they felt like their whether it be a dollar a hundred dollars rosa donated and they became famous tyrese new rosa's name every every time it became famous because she had been donating like thousands of dollars because there was this like she felt recognized she felt heard on our end we would just say hi we give shout outs to her whatever we got her on the phone one year after a while it was like we got to get rosa on the phone uh she's like hey rosa from florida man bless you uh but the more that they could feel like they were a part of the community you know we also found that like what michael was saying was like rewards we would sell a shirt with it like if you donated a certain amount you got a t-shirt well that that was our number one fundraising element because everyone got something in return so it's sort of like getting the nft the utility is like it hasn't changed one to track the donations on the blockchain to track interactions or engagement on the blockchain to then reward i mean we all know about the models of like x to earn like you know activating those models for for you know real world impact and social impacts within the blockchain i think it's going to be huge i think thank you for this point because i was about to ask in terms of regulations does charity needs its own regulations or because like we are we can talk about massive adoption and opportunities just when we can frame the process and we still do have questions like about good or bad money transparency like from one hand it's good from other it's not it's like the kind to create to take an electricity let's say so you can create a lamp you can create an electric chair the instrument would be the same the result would be different so does charity has to have its own regulations or Michael you're up you have four thousand charities on the platform i think they do i think i mean it's with everything right it's like everybody has to sort of figure out their own regulations i mean it it happens now with money right it's like if you want to donate i mean you know as an example um when brett was doing uh all the charity fundraisers during the 2020 election a lot of them were political fundraisers um at tiltify we can't do that because in order to donate to a political fundraiser there's a whole bunch more regulations that are specifically designed for that where you have to ask people where they're employed what they're doing you know and those i'm not going to go into sort of why or why each of those rules was created but it was created because of that method of fundraising and some reasonings that were specific to that that charities had to have or the um so i think it's the same thing i think regulations are going to need to exist and people are going to have to look at what's happening specific with charities and they may need different information or not need different information depending on of the donor depending on who it is like you don't want people you know uh someone mentioned before like blood diamonds or whatever but you don't want someone sending a whole bunch of money to a charity that the charity doesn't want to be associated with so there might need to be you know that sparks the idea of like okay that is a very charity specific problem because charities just sometimes don't like to take money from certain cases so you know there may need to be some regulations added there to be able to control that kind of money or maybe above a certain amount i think like i want to get even more nuanced and i i try not to broad stroke things because it helps me get away from a like a utopian view into how do we create the action points so beyond having regulations there's the concept of this but there's also the concept of enforcement right how many california drivers actually use their blinker when they're switching lanes me one just share and i share two so there you know like we throw around terms so broadly without understanding what is the gravity of the definition of this and how can we actually enforce this you know right now the web three space is always called kind of the wild wild west because with all this transparency there's still there's still no again like standard operational procedures there's no best practices beyond the do your own research not your keys not your crypto and so all these things are not really in place so it makes it hard to just be like regulations yes or no and getting really specific into that is how do we now enforce that right and how do we enact that right so do we need more regulations or do we need to enforce the ones that we know works and do we need to be more transparent so we know how to enforce it and then maybe we should also add regulations on top of that because it shifts but right now we can't even enforce regular ones that we know because the transparency is is not as great as we call it right we say it's transparent but there's all this anonymity that kind of blurs the term of transparency and so yeah i think that's like the other point that he brought up so beautifully is that the more you kind of regulate something it actually takes away the beauty of the innovation of the space and so if you just regulate like web two it would just be web two it will not be web three it will not be the next iteration of the internet and and social behavior and currency and health i i think teltify does this but i know i work with pledge as well and they take both fiat and crypto and they'll actually convert it right away because we don't want ethereum to stay in ethereum necessarily because we've seen what's happening these charities will convert instantaneously when they receive and then they do that for you because i so i think it goes back to the seamlessness of like making it easy and saying like you don't need to understand this just give us your wallet but we still need your info but you need to give us a wallet address or taking this from so like how do you blend those two things and make sure the technology is accessible where it doesn't feel clunky and it just feels like oh yeah i'm signing up for what i would typically sign up for do money like i typically would it just one is in fiat and this is another option right as a cryptocurrency i mean you'd see uh i know lots of stories where charities would just receive money and they didn't know where it came from right and charities need to sort of take a step back with all the information that they typically require you know one of the reasons why i think teltify raises as much money as it does comparatively to other platforms is that we don't require you to put in like your address your phone number your birthday like if you have an email address and a credit card or a wallet or whatever you're good you can put in a fake name you could put in whatever we don't care why don't you let them donate the money first then you can find a good way of following up and seeing if you can get more information but at least you have the money right which is the point i agree with the with the pseudo pseudo anonymous right where it's like you have enough information to actually be able to give and you're not deterring people from like well shoot now you wanted you know my birth certificate i don't think i even want to donate to this and and again it's that line of trust to where how deep do we go down in kyc because usually when we do things like that now we're mailing you you know this mail list now we're saying hey you donate to that charity now you might want to donate to this charity and you get like a uh it's like um like know your customer okay your client like name address all that like show you holding up a picture of your license yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no deep fakes you know just actually you but yeah we've actually done ab tests where we very clearly see asked for more information less donations as for less information right more donations it's very cut and dry when we test it but i think we're going to get more adoption everything we talk about in this series is about education like that we have to continue to educate and continue to educate what kyc is i hate saying even at being an expert in this space is almost like hilarious you're it's changing every moment nobody knows anything some of it like i've even been in this for a year now like i it's weird i would never call myself an expert i'm an advocate i'm an enthusiast and i'm always learning and i'm learning out loud basically with everyone else and bringing you along my journey and that's what we need we need more honesty in that way too because then you're not alienating people and actually like oh you don't know this or like i know so much the more people see other people that aren't overly technical and just like regular people doing this the more they say maybe that's for me and that's why visibility is important representation is important like inherently when i just think this conversation is so interesting as we talk about social impact or impact driven action initiatives it's like there is the infrastructure there's actually the fundraising and then there's inherently like um what this space is doing and i talked about the value like-mindedness of it but it's even beyond that the financial literacy and education and how it's bringing people underrepresented minority people who are not included in the past bringing them here to say like you deserve to make this wealth you deserve to be part of this new movement as well so it's like there's i feel like impact in like every layer in many ways well i think there's there's a we've seen a massive gap between what some would consider entertainment and what some would consider like oh this is charity and then you see um the evolution of um you know what where where all of a sudden streamers started twitch twitch and everybody started using tiltify and started just entertaining their audience and now those lines start to blur between entertainment and charitable giving and i think where we're going to see this move forward is where now it's not i'm donating for this thing it's i'm participating or entertaining or owning and the charity almost is the afterthought yeah to support the community actually what which we are talking about all those serious and that's why we talk about impact driven initiatives like i learned this when i did john and i met on one life to live and um my role was we had a gig you got a minute i'm reminiscing with you one life to live but it was the first gay love storyline in the history of television you guys were gay lovers no i was not with oh it was with scott evans okay but um wait wait attend anyway but when we started gay marriage was not legal in the united states and when we ended it was legal in five states so we we performed a role on television that actually impacted the real world i want to know from everyone including you because you've been in this deep as a woman of space where do you see the future of all this going where will we be in two years oh what excites you i'm always excited by people always i'm i came to the industry because i was excited by people and i'm still here because i i am excited about dreamers who can actually create something inside the space because when you do not have an impulse the just one wish to raise the money doesn't help you to develop the industry to develop yourself to develop community or people around you so you have to be a dreamer you have to explore the space you have to have curiosity at the best point of view trying to understand how system works to understand how to change the system for good and all those conversations which we are having during the conferences or during the panels is to bring the problems to the table because we all have to understand which step we gonna take first to understand how make this world better not just to discuss how web3 goes to web4 space etc etc which is obvious well it it would it would happen with us or without so useful thing which we can do here and now to understand where to start and how to help how to help yourself each other and the community in general i love this uh drop the mic michael knows this better than than i do but i know a lot of the organizations we we've worked with a charity called build on before i donate money x amount of dollars translates to this school being built and it's physical and it's right there and i can see it i know where that my money went that makes them more successful at fundraisers maybe than any other organization or other organizations right so the transparency that crypto will allow will maybe help charities be more successful everybody wants to know the answers to everything and everyone wants to figure out you know where is their money going how is it being done and i think that will be really helpful that people to know it went to the project i think with that actually brings something that charities have to deal with which and and solve in some way which is the public perception of how a charity works versus the reality and that's something that i think crypto will will because of the extreme transparency will have to solve for um but i think the inherent costs that that actually exist with charities are something that the general public needs to be educated better on and with this proliferation of transparency it's going to be an interesting dilemma to solve for from a global perspective i do like how they use the blockchain beyond capital i want us to think up down left right north south east west and be a bit more creative and robust with it because the limit of the tech is the limit of our creativity and and that is why tech grows because we get curious as humans and i also see over time a plateau in tech where it's like this is no longer useful and i just want us to focus on what humans need and and you know and and and create tech in in a in a novel intelligent thoughtful way i think we're going to see and a shift in a new demographic coming into this space right i think you you look at and you probably know the metrics better on what the web three world is and the demographics of who's in the web three world rose culture but the opportunity there is a great opportunity there to onboard an entirely new generation of impact driven totally i think that we're all trying to do that through what we do leading by example totally yeah but it's still very male driven which it is what it is so like that awareness hopefully creates change but you know and my hope is then those people who maybe haven't cared to give see that it's important to everyone and do more with it because they do have access to money they do have the privilege so when you do it that so totally yeah two things that i thought to cast this point like yeah america is very capital driven but the thing that excites me is you know it sure they have to donate the money to get involved initially but after that it's the utilities attached it's sort of the infinite things that these you know you as a creator you can attach to these digital contracts that can keep people involved for as long as you want to keep it you know going and then the other thing we're really excited about is just the streamlining of the technology that we've even seen and i'm someone still kind of trying to figure it all out that in the last couple years i remember 15 years ago no one would have put it their credit card on the internet that was like you know the wild wild west and then it was we had to give your birth certificate and do all the stuff nowadays we have probably 30 different websites that all have our credit cards and we're kind of like okay with that so just knowing that we'll be there and like you're mentioning having the crypto cash app when this the more streamline the technology becomes i think people like my mom will get involved that would initially go what is this crazy world and if we can just continue to make it simple transparent and then it i think it's we're just going to continue we're going to take the older generation and blend it with the new generation that's wiser than you know we are and you know my kids blow me away what they can figure out in no time so it's the future that i think is exciting well i'm inspired i don't know about you thank you so much to everyone for being here today and sharing your insights john cas ret michael we really appreciate all of you let's meet in the future amen thank you thank you