 We get hated on, or we got hated on a lot more growing up, and I spoke English! We're fluent in English? Yeah! And that didn't gain us automatic acceptance into the western lexicon of the- That did not shield us from discrimination and racist comments. Go back to China! That's a phrase that we are hearing more and more nowadays, whether it's in real life through stories of friends or viral online videos. Let's talk about it. Yeah man, I witnessed two incidents this past weekend. One with my real eyes, IRL. Another one online. Let's just play the online clip from Richmond, Vancouver, Canada right now. Yeah, so what are you? Are you a kid again? Andrew, long story short, this biker needs to use the restroom while he's bicycling around Richmond, Canada. He goes into the opening of a new Chinese dessert shop, but after he comes out of the bathroom, which they're very nice to let him use, he gets triggered by these menus because there's Chinese on the menus, and it's like, hmm, do you consider yourself Chinese or Canadian? Because if you consider yourself Chinese and like to use the Chinese language and not English, then go back to China! Go back to China! Yeah, and this guy has actually been caught on video multiple times in the Vancouver area, obviously Richmond, heavily Chinese city. We're talking about one of the most Chinese cities in North America. So for him to walk in here and start berating Chinese people for not being American or not speaking English as well, it really makes no sense. But anyways, David, what's what's what happened in real life? You saw a pack of kids who were biking in New York City. Yeah, they were biking in New York City against the bike lane, so they're going the wrong way. And there's a older Chinese man. He's collecting cans. He's like impoverished. You know, this is not the job of a really rich person to collect cans. He's walking up the bike lane and they have to swerve around him even though they're in the wrong. And they go, F-U, China! F-U, China! F-U, China! Right to his face as they ride by, you know, a pack of kids. And basically I got triggered by this because I saw it. I almost turned back around and chased him, but they were like a pack of kids 13, 14 years old, but they were white. Like, you know, maybe to be honest, I think they were Italian. And, you know, I just kind of let it go. And you know what I did? I gave the old guy some money because I was just like this. But seeing that second incident, it triggered me to talk about the first incident because this is a growing sentiment in America of go back to China. All right, so we're going to break down this situation. Hopefully this is a productive conversation. Please hit that like button and check out other episodes of the hot pop boys. David, I never hear people say go back to Korea, go back to Vietnam, go back to Egypt, go back to Nigeria, go back to Jamaica, go back to Peru. And I never hear it. That it's only go back to China. Yeah, maybe I've heard some people say go back to Mexico in more like in Texas and Arizona a little bit. But yeah, the two ones you hear the most are go back to Mexico and go back to China. Definitely go back to China. I never even hear go back to Russia. Yeah, somebody said that this is and we're going to get into the Internet comments. Somebody said, oh, yeah, I'm just going to shop there. It's better than trying to find this guy Peter Hansen and attack him because that's not really how Canadians are. And let's just go to this Helau San and try to support it. Yeah, I mean, it's very American to want to like set out a manhunt and find this guy. And attack this Peter. Yeah, we're fine and talk to him. And slap him around or whatever you guys want to do to him. Obviously, I think he needs to get disciplined somehow because he has a history of doing this, although he hasn't gotten violent with people. But he's just like being real. He's harassing people. I think it's so 50-50. I think it's situational. I guess you would say, Andrew, by me not chasing those kids down and like fighting them all, even though there's certainly some groups of guys or races that certainly would be more inclined to do that than I was, I gave the guy money. Did I take this Canadian route? I mean, I think everybody has to make a calculation and everybody picks their fights. I think helping out the old man. I think that was cool. And yeah, I mean, I don't know if you're Batman. I mean, those like three teenagers or the Ryan's super fast on the bike. What are you going to do on them? I think, I think maybe, I think may aggressively yelling at them maybe. I don't know. Yeah, honestly, by the time it happened in a process in my mind that they were saying FU China to the guy, I didn't even know what was going on. Somebody say, let's be honest. It's not about having too many weird languages around like this guy, Peter Hansen says. It's actually just a code for hating somebody different who looks different from a different culture. Yeah, and I think it's that. And also people know that they can talk crap to like Chinese people and Chinese are not going to do anything. So this is one of the issues that obviously within the Chinese community or Asian community in general, we talk about, cause we're like, listen, if we are kind of letting people do this to us by not being aggressive back, but by being aggressive back, of course, there's a host of pros and cons to that. And you have to be prepared for that and people have to be willing to get hurt and everything like that. So we all understand that that's, of course, there's some of that reason involved. But it's cultural. I do think Asians are more Confucian. Whether you want to say it's docile pacifist or just more civilized, they're just way less likely to escalate to hardcore street violence based on verbal confrontation. I'll tell you this, man. He's not walking into an Arab restaurant talking like that. He's not going to walk into a Jamaican spot and do that for sure. Peter Hansen is not going to do that. Somebody has a moderate Republican opinion on this. And someone goes, well, what he did was bad, but it is fair to ask everybody to learn the host country's language fluently. And it is also possible that he has a bone to pick with the Chinese because they took over Richmond, Canada, and he might feel marginalized as an English speaker or priced out of the housing market. So he's just simply expressing his qualms with the Chinese community. First of all, if you got a problem with the rich Chinese immigrants buying up too much real estate, your qualm is not with the dessert shop workers. Your qualm should be with the government of your city and your municipality that is allowing people to buy up a lot of houses, right? Right, and even in a messed up way, I'm not saying that you should do that. Talk to the fob in the Ferrari with like the 17 properties, right? I don't know. I suppose, yeah, or at least your real estate agent or who's sitting on the house. So I guess, first of all, it's a misdirected hate. Also, I think that, I think there is some logic in like immigrants obviously moving to a country and making an effort to learn English, especially like in America, right? I get that. And I think that there should be some effort involved, but I also think as a native English speaker, that's not gonna stop people from hating on you because David, we get hated on or we got hated on a lot more growing up and I spoke English. We're fluent at English? Yeah. And that didn't gain us automatic acceptance into the Western Mexico. That did not shield us from discrimination and racist comments. Yeah, somebody also said, well, if you're telling everybody to speak English fluently in their host country, what about Americans that travel abroad to Tulum or Mexico City or Japan, Tokyo, Osaka, and they don't speak English because a lot of Americans that are traveling abroad obviously because English sort of became this global lingua franca, they have that expectation that everybody's gonna cater to them and them not cater to other people. That's a good point. It has to do with English entitlement and the global dominance of the English culture. Somebody's saying everybody's an immigrant in the New World countries. This guy, Peter Hansen, has got a Dutch last name. Why doesn't he go back to the Netherlands if he's telling people to go back to China? Is this a good argument? I actually think logically it is, but I noticed that a lot of people who say racist things towards Asians or Latinos or whoever else is coming into America, don't buy this one. Yeah, it's not a bad comeback because there's no way unless you're Native American that you don't have some immigrant blood. Even like six, seven generations back, right? In your lineage, right? Now here's the thing. The truth is for European immigrants to assimilate into American culture, it's way easier because it's more like European culture and because the people who settled America were from Europe. So even if you're Belgian or if you're from Sweden and you're a white person and you come to America and the culture is different and you're like, oh yeah, I don't really relate to some of this, but visually you look white and you look American and then obviously it's still a Western culture. So it's easier to adapt and a lot of Asians, it's true. They come from a very, very different place. Yeah, for sure. And one thing I noticed is kind of interesting aside, Andrew, is that like Anglo-adjacent countries, sometimes they got discriminated against for not being true Anglos when they came to America, but then they sort of adopt racism against groups that are even further away from like the Anglo core of America than they were. You know what I mean? Like I was sure Italians, by the way I got a lot of good Irish and Italian friends. I'm just saying that sometimes they were discriminated against when they came like 100 years ago or 150 years ago and then they almost can adopt that same vibe to people who are even further from the rings of the tree. Right? It is the food chain, the pecking order if you will. And this kind of comes back to a very interesting sentiment that I've heard increasingly in the Asian community. We got to bring the Asian gangs back because the Asian gangs, they do street violence. Everybody else is trying to do street violence or have all these sideways comments at us. They wouldn't say that if the street gangs were prevalent again, hanging out in the corners. All right guys, I understand the feeling, but with more Asian gangs, there is also like other things that come along with that, not just protection from other people. You know what I mean? Like sometimes people have to pay the Asian gangs to protect your business and you get extorted, all this other stuff. Guys, anyways, you guys know like that there's stuff involved. I think ultimately a much better solution is your average citizen becomes more aware and more vigilant themselves. And I'm not telling people to become immediately more violent, but just like, think about what you would do more. Don't live in a dream world. Don't be trying to live life like an NPC. Somebody said this guy is gonna get beat up or should get beat up, especially if he was in America doing this, but in Canada they're just gonna let him do it another 35 times. You know, I think unfortunately the truth is there's definitely a lot of places he could have done this in America. Like I don't know if he's getting beat up in the six to six necessarily, depending on what he does. It's more likely though. It's more likely, but I think at the end of the day it's kind of unfortunate to say, but yeah, it's kind of like this passive Chinese culture. I don't want to say culture, but it's a mindset that maybe comes and stems from the culture. Yeah, definitely physical confrontation is not one, for some people, it's not even on the table. It's not the first thing that Chinese people are trying to do, you know? Even there are some younger dudes that were in that video that work at that restaurant. They're not like- They were like there to protect, but I thought they could, yeah, obviously some people were like, oh they should have even did more. It's tough to say, man. Everybody comes from a different set of experiences, different set of coaching, different reps they've seen in their life. Obviously there is an archetype that Asians are very passive, particularly Chinese people, even within the Asians, maybe the most passive. Somebody said, why do you even go to a Chinese dessert shop if you wanted someone fluent in English, huh? Why did he just ride his bike there and ask to use their bathroom if he was gonna walk outside, get mad at the menu and then berate them and tell them all to go back to China? Well, you know, I just know that those dessert shops have really clean toilets and I just wanted a clean toilet, but I didn't want any of that sticky ball mango, sago dessert with two juices on it. I don't like that stuff. It's a cute menu, definitely very not Western looking though. I guess to understand where he's coming from. I just think it's weird to be in Richmond, Vancouver of all places. Richmond's like one of the most Chinese cities in North America. Yeah, obviously this dude is racist. He's probably kind of crazy. He's at the end nearing, I guess the end of his days. So he's probably just like, well, I'm just gonna say whatever comes to mind, I gotta let it out. And then what he wanted to let out was racist feelings. My therapist told me to speak my mind. Long story short, Andrew, do you think he's like a 10 out of 10 representation of how a lot of possibly older people are feeling in America at a four out of 10 level? Like they're four out of 10. He's the 11 out of 10 version. Is it representing a strain of thought or is this guy just off his rocker? Nah man, I mean it's definitely common, man. It's out there between the media portrayal, everything that people see from the media of just China's a really big country. It's very complicated. There are things that they do that a lot of people don't like. There's things that they do that everybody needs and likes. So it's very complicated. Being Chinese is complicated right now. And the truth is we are going to hear about this more and more. And you have to prepare yourself that it might happen. Hopefully it's not the physical kind. Hopefully it's not a bad violence. Right, cause there's kind of two sides to this. A lot of the stuff we were talking about during COVID was like hardcore street violence. This is more like microaggressions or like racism to your face verbally. Yeah, so I think prepare yourself for that because you can't change how people view yourself or what type of media they're consuming. We have no control over that right now. Or how they're ingesting it, how they're feeling, letting it marinate within themselves and how they're letting it out. I do think, you know, I guess a lot of Chinese people or Asian people can ask themselves like, I guess is there anything that we can do more of within reason that could help the interactions we have with people? Not saying that people are not gonna be irrationally racist against us. That's definitely gonna happen. People are gonna have their thoughts about us. But I guess just a question is how are you gonna prepare for this? And what is your protocol? And what are you gonna do when someone says something? And two, is there anything that as immigrants you can do differently? Yeah, I think one of the most important things you could do is kind of like, if you think about it, it might make you uncomfortable at first, but ultimately you ought to arrive at a point where you can be at peace with it. Like I always kind of feel like, you know, there's certain things like you said, you can't change it, but you don't have to let those things be top of mind all day long. I really found that practicing martial arts, I think is huge. I think it's huge. I'm not saying we'll fight everybody. I'm not saying that makes you a lethal weapon, that you should be fighting people way bigger than you. But it just makes you feel more confident and comfortable feeling like you can handle situations better and actually, maybe it makes you wanna fight less actually. Oh, I'll tell you what not to do is pass this anger on down the line though. Yeah. Like we gotta have it stop with us. And we can't let it fester. I don't know how if fester's within Asians, I typically think like online comments more like online rage is realistically where it's- There's Asian on Asian stuff. Yeah, maybe- We just can't let it, we gotta think about it. For sure, everybody's gonna come up with a different methodology. Anyway, let us know what you think in the comment section below guys. Are these go back to China? You know, sorta things that are stoked by geopolitical things or media related things gonna continue. What do you plan to do to deal with it and what are the ones that you've seen? Keep it simple in the comment section below. Until next time, we're gonna hop out boys, we out. Peace.