 Let me know if you'd like me to start recording. Give him a minute, Casey, as he has to cuss about something. What's his name? Wiley. John. Wiley or Wiley? Wiley. Oh, okay. Wiley. Okay. Okay. Good. Good. We're ready to rock and roll. We did, because we had some technical challenges at the beginning, and by the time it was going to be really close to when you got here. So I have a printed agenda in front of me. Staff, do we have any changes to make? Operate to that. No. Okay. Then commissioners like a motion to approve the agenda as presented. I know we're changing that. Changing process. Okay. I moved. Sharon, I moved to accept the agenda. Two seconded it. All those in favor? Aye. Josh. Thank you. Motion carries five. Present in the room tonight and normally not that to begin with. Actually, commissioner Knox is online. The rest of us are present alternate. Paula Duke will be a voting member tonight. Because we have some, we have been absent. So welcome again. Thank you. So we have a workshop coming up reviews and chapters. We're going to open the session up for public comment here. Or not about the, the. The city of town draft. Yet we'll incorporate public comment on the draft as we review it. But if anybody online since our room is empty, anybody online has any comments questions, I'd like to present the commission that aren't about the town plan. This would be a great time. It's like Lorraine was Lorraine. Lorraine you're up relevant to the town plan. wasn't the right place. I just had a question about I'm hearing a lot all too often struggles with single mothers and other people who want to live here or in the middle class who can't afford to buy and they see a lot of rentals being built which you know don't have a problem with that I'm just wondering if we're going to try to quantify what a healthy rental to ownership model is for town because I look at what people getting paid in the town compared to what the rents are and it's very hard to get that's part of the problem with getting people to live here is again afford to live here on the paychecks that they're getting and then also just want to I'm grateful that that Paula got appointed to it's wonderful to have an alternate so thank you for that thanks thank you so that sounds the question and rental to membership membership rental to ownership model is something we can talk about in tonight and just roll it in I don't know we have an answer or anything at this stage but let's let's see what we can if we can address that anyone else have any comments or questions Ken just wanted to thank the Community Development Department for funding my attendance to the Chinden area Transportation Management Association Conference it was quite an eye-opener and I'm quite disappointed actually I don't know if any of the other members of the Planning Commission have the opportunity to go but well I wish one or two of you could have been there because it was quite amazing to see what our neighboring municipalities are doing in a very proactive way about planning it feels as though we tend to be reacting but I'm surprised to see that Williston and South Burlington they they have the horse and they're going for it it's quite remarkable it was a great opportunity thank you so much okay anyone else at this point thanks Ken for the comments okay so let's roll into the town planning workshop so I think we'll go through this Katherine do you want to do we want to run through the chapters and then then take some public commerce do you want to do you want to I'd like I think I'd like to go through what you've got prepared okay and then we'll open it up for comments during the you know from the from the public but let's go through all that we've got so folks if you know please keep your notes on what section and so forth that we're looking at and we can go back to it once we've gotten ourselves through um so Katherine why don't you take us take us through the through the journey okay all right so to start with the introduction and you know you might notice comments and maybe in the draft that you were um and that is because I I recently had some interactions with the regional bank commission and they had a few comments about the town plan which I think I mentioned to you that they're they're revealing it for consistency with their regional plan um and consistency really too with the state bestie um and I actually did get their formal review today saying that it did comply but we had to add a couple things in um to make it comply so that is here um so consistency with the eco's plan um just by way of explaining um what the changes were they're actually not highlighted here I must have pulled up a wrong version here but one of the things that they look at to see if if we are proposing any future changes to any future land use changes do they comply with how the regional planning commission views are um how they view our planning areas or really the regional planning areas so the etc next plan as you might recall is changing or proposing some changes and you know I think but the the places where it sticks out is the corner of old stage road and route 15 is changing from r2 to mixed use north which is a higher density so that's that's really kind of the corner that towards the center after old stage road kind of down to to sx way or close to sx way um the regional planning commission considers that area suburban planning area which is a lower density than the mixed use north would be um so at the end of the day the changes here that are showing seven line 189 um to line 202 those three areas so that's one of them um there's another r2 area that's where uh say brook condominiums are that so that's being changed in mixed use south and then the matthew town forest area obliac over to gerico road so kind of you know around where the public works offices are all their brook goes through there that was changed through the etc next plan to our our open recreation district and that had been r2 so anyway so those are the three changes essentially what the how we comply or how we're okay with regional planning is to say that you know we're making these changes they're very small areas um the especially the r2 changes it's areas of growth they consider that uh their suburban and our r2 to be pretty similar but also the metro area which is kind of what we're we're also feel like i'm not explaining this very well um we comply with them for the most part just densities are going up a little bit and they don't have a problem with that and the suggestion in here that i've written is to say the regional planning commission should change their suburban to to metro and then we'll comply and you know and essentially our our we're just proposing a little bit of greater density and little bits of areas so it's really not a significant impact anyway but that makes sense so that's the language in here and this is the language of the regional planning commission accepted and said yeah you're good to go okay um and so we do have this section here where we say you know do we comply with the regional plan so it's important to make sure that that's accurate so that that is that and what was here before was in two ten to two fifteen some language about saying that hey regional planning commission if we get our new town center designate state designation we might actually be changing from metro to a center planning area which is even higher density and so you could consider changing your regional so that was there already the other stuff was it does that make sense like go on a chapter it's just a metro sense like more dense i mean the word sounds more dense than a center to us right i think it's maybe a new england thing yeah yeah yeah i agree um okay so now this this is it also in chapter one so this is our action plan these are two different actions or two new actions that you haven't seen and so i'll start with actually the second one so action of seven ten um during our last planning commission meeting there was discussion about how to add some language into the town plan about Native American history and the existing culture and so adding this action was a way of hoping to address that i think that's a little bit so it says make efforts to better understand the past and current influence of Native American culture and assets and explore ways to acknowledge that culture so there is also some language in chapter three in the historical resources section that points out that we should we don't know much and we should know a little bit more so i'll show that to you when we get to chapter three um action seven point nine um there was a discussion in the aesthetic resources section about we have some great views maybe we should think about bearing power power lines so i thought yeah maybe that's just that's a good action so i added that in so yeah specifically along seen at corridors um and we we did receive some public comment about that i received a written comment about that so chapter two um one really quick thing for seven point nine yes berry only has one r oh yeah i you know i just saw that and i think otherwise i'm fine so okay thank you okay so chapter two has a few changes scattered here and there mostly there's a so you've had seen this one this was in the the draft in the history section what chapter two no i mean a web page there's 32 on 14 13 so it might be a little bit different if i'm looking at a word version versus the pdf though let me see if i can pull up the pdf what i mean the line is she's on 14 14 32 super that's kind of something 14 we're not really one set of changes we're not really two-way right the same might not have the right i have so many versions public comments over unless it's about the top plan oh we're not there you're at save it later okay i'm just trying to get here to that pdf version i'll get printed so right which should be should be in corresponding with that so what do we what what is the section that we're looking at you just find so it's the history of assets section historic background yes yeah this is line 31 so 1348 13 13 13 13 okay why don't you jump into you fight it and we'll keep poking on okay so this this is what the online packet has so establishing the first school school district i think we had a comment from the historical society and if they thought maybe adding a little bit about that would be good so actually georgia take a look at this section sort of decided that it seemed okay well how it was but but added that to this that's on about right yeah so what was added this in red so this 13 38 your line it's on your what you don't want this so okay so that's what was added okay right and then the education section so josh had sent me his edits but they turned out that it went to my quarantine file so i put her folder or whatever so i didn't see it so and i did notice what's what is in here is going to switch back to my my board version there were a couple things that kind of get so i just want to make sure we're looking at their right tattoo sorry i don't have too many documents that's okay no crap not chicken lunch really that many things that we have new tonight so as soon as they get there so why are they out at the top you've got places to do things to see it's giving me a look at a limited okay oh as long as we're on education yeah i think there's a word missing yeah so that's that is why i'm looking at this version so this is somehow with the the editing the right things there were a couple things missing so this version should this page 50 yeah so there should be an uh yeah so i hope hope this is showing the the correct things all of here this the version that we're looking at up here i don't know wait a minute where are we was but this this is i went back and just looked at what josh had provided and actually i've got town center roads that's where i was making the correction which is 1941 uh in the education well it would have been under transportation i just screwed up the it was under upcoming transportation improvements it wasn't an education it was i circled the wrong time okay so we can go back to that let's let's let's finish education since yeah okay so essentially that's okay essentially i think what what was what josh did was try to um streamline a little bit just take out some of the the language that so to what's the word we use josh he's a booster boostery boostery it's too boostery before yeah better with the yeah but tell him so that's that's that so it didn't really change any you know data or whatever it's just that the wording was sourced around screen screen okay so going back to transportation since we're in chapter three he said there was future improvements so it was line 1941 town center roads is the last sentence as an official map is a requirement of the state designation my numbers might be a little bit well your number 1941 okay right there so 1988 into that sentence so there now here we go okay like magic okay anything else in uh two that we need to call out not two we can go on to three let's go on to three headline thing is okay so all right i'm just trying to wrap my head around three here so i think this this is the history section that i was talking about did you get feedback from the rpc on any list not on that they did have a couple little things about the the zoning map and how it related to the 2014 town plan zoning map there were a couple changes there so that is actually included in this so i'll point that out but other otherwise i haven't no wrong mind the remark planning and development that yeah this that right there is that supposed to replace historic architectural and cultural resources or what line are you looking up there were two so i've got two stars the last two lines under how we relate thorns yeah this is historic arc it's archaeology archaeological and cultural resources and then on that line is written in the remark planning and development and then there's a star next to line 83 land use and development so i don't know i i guess clarification helpful yeah so in that do you mean in the historic resources you go to the document section follow we go actually to the section but not just from the not just from the content the table contents 66 is what okay well find it yeah find the line number in that you know the actual document in the words it's placed in the enter document and i just lost the original where it is see that's yeah but we need to find it in the documents we had on that support and we're so this was on the it's the next to last i have to keep going there still are archaeological cultural resources you know maybe while you're looking is there any resources i mentioned there was some additional language uh it's related to the Native American settlement yeah so pulling in here some language that we had in the historic background of the essence so that's the first part of this 2995 okay i found it 2980 a village center state designation and the other thing that's got a red bracket around it is um line 2974 and 2975 so that's what relates to the thing in the index the page as well what's what's that and it's on page 83 in the print of document it's page 83 it's the first one is a bracket of two ones one sentence 2974 and 2975 you're too far this now it's coming up that's because your way ahead was 29 so forget the numbers right now we don't want the general area oh okay there's a difference between the numbers i had it i'm not out of the street yeah no if that was new language that got put in today so you're almost there right there that's what she's talking about as there's many other structures right paul um yeah line 3027 at the end of that line and 3028 yeah and then if you go up your your referencing yeah right right right so what's the question the village i was just pointing out that i had notes there that were in red okay so that is a so that was a note to be done and now it's done oh you had notes on it from the last time is what you're saying yeah so if you've gone through and made those changes that we talked about last time yeah so we should be in there as you see that they're not the one one of the things is this the copy from the last meeting and that that might be the that might be the challenges that we're looking at the next the next you know the new copy this is the one that you yes and that didn't have the changes that you put in from the rpc or no okay no so that's kind of where we go and she does we we have this and then we have some of the new things that come in so okay good i'm getting another copy at some point yes well after tonight assuming it goes as sort of expected is that you will warn the public hearing and so there'll be no changes made there'll be a lot of that that you'll have for your public hearing after that public hearing or during the public hearing you can make changes based on public comment or whatever and then there'll be a new draft that will get sent off to the slide so that that was the basic change in section three was that addition correct um that and a little bit again from the regional planning commission and talking about i think i mentioned the zoning changes so the 2014 zoning mat versus the 2007