 I'm your host Matt Welcome everybody to the Linx cast we talk about Linuxy things and That's what we're gonna do today, of course as we usually do So we did we were off last week because I was under the weather last week had a stomach bug going around so But feeling nice and chipper today. We're gonna take some questions from The audience to death our plan for the day because I was much too lazy to you know come up with the topic So we're gonna we're gonna do that, but before we do we're gonna do what we always do and talk about our week in open source So Tyler What have you been up to the last couple weeks in open source? Well a lot. I've been doing a lot of stuff I've I've improved some of My install for my Nix OS configuration, but I am just going I think I'm just gonna go ahead and bite the bullet and just release Releasing an ISO using flakes like a custom ISO to install your flake. It actually isn't that hard So I think I'm just gonna go ahead and do that because that way it doesn't require internet. It's like all in one package Easier so I think I'm gonna go ahead and do that here very soon But I've been working on a lot of stuff like more behind the scenes. I've been helping out Well, I've been helping out a lot with helping out John Alex I'm also making Alex from the Linux to I'm making him a Website, so I've been doing a lot of stuff with Hugo actually right now It's just been a lot of work behind the scenes and Kind of stinks because that means my upload schedule has gotten even worse than it was before Which I do not think is an accomplishment So and how is that even possible exactly? That's what I've been up to also working a crap ton and Getting ready to take some time off. So Hopefully it'll I'll have more time for videos and stuff here very short Oh, hopefully that'd be cool because your videos are always awesome so let's see my what have I been doing so I've started using plasma six about a week ago and I have a video that I'll do on it like a long-term review of it because I'm gonna use it for about a month or so just Say it out loud. This is the most stable plasma plasma experience that I've ever had like by far and it's weird It's it's super weird because Brody did a stream this morning. He had a lot of problems I've seen like tech cut did a video where he said I'm switching and then like the next day Like I shouldn't have switched So so I've seen a lot of people who have switched us to plasma six and I've had problems, but for me it's been Phenomenally stable. I there are a few bugs here and there for whatever reason if I right now I have steam minimized to tray right and if I go to the steam icon and click on it Wayland crashes and just has to restart for whatever reason the bar goes away the wallpaper everything But unlike it used to be like used to be if the composite or crashed you had to like Reboot in order to get around to come back. This just pops right back up. It works very well That's the only real bug that I've come across At all like period and and that's astonishing because everyone knows who has heard me talk about plasma It's always been phenomenally buggy and I'm on Wayland to boot like and it's Wayland Everybody knows Wayland hates my guts for the passion. So it's been Really good and while I'm I'm missing my window managers and I'll eventually go back I needed something different and decided I was going to try plasma for a while and I am and it's just been Working very very well now granted. This is an open Suza. So maybe it's just because open Suza's, you know, the best always a possibility I would disagree, but it's alright. It's alright. You can disagree. You're perfectly okay with being wrong, Tyler You just keep you can just keep being wrong all you want open Suza's the best. We don't hear your fake little distro over there Don't worry. We all fall into delusion sometimes. Okay Anyway, so yeah, that's that's basically all I've done over over the course of last two weeks. Everything else has been real-life nonsense. It's just horrible horrible list, but Other than that things are getting back on track. I will say About plasma is that you don't realize how much you miss a system tray and tell you come back to having one I use that thing all the time I used to I used to swear by not having a system tray in my bar, right? Didn't I don't need this it takes up space. It looks ugly. The icons are never the right color all this stuff, right? but you come back to a desktop environment that has a system tray and You know the number of applications that still minimize to tray when they're closed You don't realize that shit if you don't have a tray. So yeah, if you close this court, it stays open Like I didn't even know that Again, no had no clue if you don't have a system tray You have no way of knowing unless you're like spulking around h-top or something, you know, so I didn't know you were doing that Like I could have easily told there is an option just so you know there is an option in discord to disable that function now So you so it will if you want to live without a system tray you can With discord just have it kill itself when you want to but yes I deleted my system tray and tried to live that way for a long time and luckily I knew discord was like that But I also can't remember what applicant I had the same problem with another application That's pretty popular. I can't remember what it was, but I assumed it just was quitting. No, I had like three instances of it running Well, so my to do my to do application to do is also minimize this a tray So if you close it, it stays there like I had no clue. I mean not not that big of a deal But it still was really weird. So if you don't have a system tray, you don't know those things You'd be surprised at how much shit just carries on living if you if you just close it the normal way So yeah, use a system tray So it's weird cuz like GNOME did this whole thing of Like three years ago, whatever where we're killing the system tray. We're not gonna do system tray icons anymore Yeah, and they did this for many reasons, right? But they did because the system tray supposedly is terrible and they told applications don't ever do this we don't want your your you know icon there and We thought or at least they thought that they're taking away the system tray would kill the system tray icons forever in Reality, I think more applications use the system tray now than ever before Okay, they still use it. So yeah, use a system tray. Anyway, so that's it for this week in FOS Let's go ahead and move on to the main event. So what we decided to do is we're going to Take questions both from the chat and from the community page where I posted a week ago So what I thought we could do Tyler is that we'll go we'll both go spelunking for four questions And then we'll just take turns choosing which one to answer So why don't you choose a question first and we'll answer that one. All right Well, I saw one question over on the original community post that I think definitely deserves To be asked give me one second. I had it on my screen and then I accidentally scrolled Oh, when are you gonna come out as a closeted Linux mint user me? I'm assuming it's talking to me. Yeah. Yeah It was definitely directed towards you. The answer is never Never, okay. So first off if I were to use Linux Mint, I definitely using Linux. That'd be an addition Okay, I'm not gonna use a boon to you'll never catch me using a boon to ever I can just don't like a boon to I don't want snaps now I know Linux Mint doesn't have snaps, but it's still to a boon to for me So when it's with Debbie addition would be would be it but I'm not a Linux mint. I'm not interested in Linux mint at all. Just I'm just not my thought on Linux mint Is if I'm going to use LMD, I might as well just use Debbie the same I mean really I have the same thoughts on Boon to all is as well as if I'm gonna use a boon to I might as well just use Debbie I've become very much Interested in just using the base of whatever this term using select I wouldn't want to use a open Suza based distro. Like I wouldn't want to do that I just use open Suza. I won't want to use a fedora base distro I just want to use for there Oh for there was a little bit different because there are some interesting things out there Like George Castro is doing a lot of really cool stuff with with bluefin and you blue and stuff So that stuff is more interesting to me But that's about the only one like other than that offshoots don't interest me nearly as much as they used to And obviously Linux mint, I don't get along ever but so never I actually can tell you the less I'm actually use Linux mint to be honest with you probably probably in a VM for a video like two years ago So there's the answer to that. So what what are you Tyler? Are you using Linux mint? Oh, no Obviously In love with Nick's OS now I will say your your statements and comments Sound very reasonable. I believe them But also one could make the argument that that is exactly what a closeted Linux mint user would say So really what you're saying is that there's no way for me to get out of this without, you know Showing you my Linux mint installation or I could just do this I could Just switch to the main camera and you won't be able to see this but everybody else can see That I'm using open Suza tumbleweed. It's on 6.7.7, which you Can't get on Linux mint without building it yourself. I'm plasma sick, which again, you can't get on Linux mint without probably Backporting or something. I don't even know how you'd go about doing that There's even a logo. There's there's a gecko logo. So this is open Suza and I'm very proud of that fact because it's it's good. Yeah, the joke dies there. Dang Could have been a good running rumor for a long time That that answers davie knows question which linux distro are you daily driving open suza? And I have been for 245 days This is my 245th day I have 485 days left on the two-year linux challenge But if you were to ask me right now Where are you going to go afterwards? I would still say open suza Because it's that good someone asked a Nominal question and I I'd like to see what your answer is Tips for secure use of the a you are so my answer to that is don't use the a you Thank you. That was gonna be mine. I wanted to see what you said. Okay If you want to be 100 secure don't use the a you are so That's horrible to say because a you are is awesome, but If you want to if you're worried about security And you're worried about any if you don't especially if you don't know how to read a package At least know how to read a package build if you're going to use a you are that way you can at least see What it's installing what it's building and all that stuff Well, I think me and you could probably agree on the fact that like the steps to ensure That the package build is actually secure like you you for one have to go in read the package build Then go out and Like make sure that where it's pulling from is actually proper upstream. It's not modified upstream Like then okay once all of that's good Then you could probably go ahead and install it at that point. It's probably just easier to write your own Or or just I mean not even bother put the package fill just go to the source Build it from source, you know And really this isn't an a you are a specific problem It's it happens on the open build service. It happens in copper. Obviously it happened for years with ppas Just when someone else controls the repository and they're doing the uploading of the software You don't have control over the security That's why you have to you should have some level of trust in where that software comes from And if you don't then it's insecure and even if you do have trust that trust can be easily misplaced by I mean By anybody it doesn't matter how well Knowledge you are in Linux or security whatever anybody can find that themselves in a situation where they're using software that's You know either old and so it has zero day flaws or it wasn't that long ago that like flat hub had a Application or something like that that had a bitcoin miner in the background And and all that stuff was supposedly gone over by the people who run flat hub. So even they can get fooled Someone someone asked tyler. Have you tried plasma six? And no, I have not I have seen it it seems to be very much at least from the people who are popular and like Posting about their plasma six experience. It seems to be pretty much a 50 50 from what I've seen as to whether or not It's it's really good. Like there's small like very minor bugs But overall it's a very nice experience and then others being like this is terrible It's a complete not a buggy mess. It doesn't work. Like it's a 50 50 Traffitant traffitant says if you don't know how to enable secure boot tpm a app armor full disk Encryptage or vet package builds cutoff add arch Linux. Oh, there goes the vast majority of people who use arch Linux Yeah Yeah, it's a little bit much for well for Almost anybody so but also, I mean, it's kind of the thing of like do we really need to be that secure for most people You're probably gonna be fine using the aq bar Probably like it just depends on your like your tolerance to risk I don't know. I know that when I ran arch Linux I was like that That I just downloaded stuff willy-nilly and didn't worry about it and I know many people who are exactly like that, but I think if you're You've been using Linux for a while and you you've become more security conscious You maybe you pay more attention, but probably if you are Security conscious, you're just not using the a you are at all. You're going to build everything from source I guess it the security consciousness really does come in levels So I mean some people just care a little bit in which case maybe they read the package build Other people care a lot in which case they're not using the a you are at all They're building everything directly from source after Revealing all you know five thousand lines of rust code or whatever And you know then then they build it themselves, you know, so there's levels of that stuff But I don't know for me personally. I use the obs all the time on open susa I don't go checking for anything. I'm the most insecure person ever I just I just assume that if it builds it probably is okay So there's definitely like nine different matte webbers out there just stealing everything that I own I'm sure that's happened Okay, so here's one from deviant dude 91. Why did you switch to linux and what made you stand like? So we'll we'll answer this for both of us Uh, just I told the story before but in 2017. So my first attempt at linux happened in 2001 ish with susa Somebody handed me a disc. I popped it into my gateway computer use it for a little while It was cool, but there was nothing to do on it and I went back to windows because I wanted to gain And at that point there was still no gaming on linux like other than like the you could play like solitaire or whatever So that was my first attempt in 2017 My buddy ricky and I decided we wanted to do a podcast on linux I still don't know why he he asked me to do it To be honest with you he emailed me one day ricky and I have been podcasting about movies since 2009 with our other friend vince And uh, he messaged me one day asked me if I wanted to do podcasts about linux. I said sure that sounds fun We started the linux cast and then I've been using linux full time literally ever since That's the reason why so tyler. What about you when and why? Well, I always messed around with linux I guess uh, I guess as soon as I found out linux was a thing when I was like pretty young like I mean probably Right before puberty like I was all like I was into checking it out. I loved computers so like I just I also like software so checking out ubuntu like all of the old like old distros Hannah montana linux bestos ever. We all know it. We just don't talk about it You know trying out all that stuff was always interesting, but it wasn't until like steam was a thing on linux That that's when I actually switched Like I could really switch over if it it wasn't you know proton level insane good but There was enough games that were releasing for linux that it was fine and I wanted I held a lot of games on steam. So I wanted steam to be part of my actual daily driver And so once that happened Yeah, I mean I think a lot of people were that way like linux was a hobby until steam came over and valve is I mean valve is responsible for pushing a lot of new linux users to the space Oh, yeah, for sure. Um, I will say for me gaming really never played and You know any real Factor and whether or not I switched to linux because I wasn't a pc gamer when I switched over I was more of a console gamer and even then gamer I mean, I've talked about the sealed copy of arkham city on my shelf. So that's how much of a gamer I've ever I've ever been so For me, I could use any os really to be honest with you. There's there's Like everyone talks about the limitations you you kind of go through when you're switching to a different operating system For me, none of it's really mattered because there's There's not a specific piece of software on any operating system that I can't figure out an alternative for because my workflow Even back then Was mostly browser based like I started working at my current job and god Damn, was it 2016 already? I've been I've been there for a long time. Um, but anyways I've been there and everything there has always been google docs So I just used everything in the browser now. There are other things obviously that I do That I want to be able to do with a native client. So things like record videos. I can do that with obs That's available cross-platform. I same thing with recording audio Audacity is there, you know The the I think the biggest piece of soft software that I've discovered that I have a hard time With on linux is email clients because all the email clients on Linux are Terrible they're all bad I use thunderbird because it's the best of the shit pile But other than that, you know, that's about the only piece of software that I really have I find that there are other pieces of software on linux that are just way better. So like file managers on linux are Way better But everybody thinks I'm really weird for having a file manager fetish. So I guess I'll just stop talking about that Okay Well, someone said because I think this is this isn't necessarily a question But it's something that's probably it's related to what we were talking about and something good to talk about He said I think I'll I think what will finally get me off this godforsaken windows dual boot It's a larger motherboard to fit second gpu for pass through and I'll go ahead and say this for gaming That's a terrible idea Don't do gpu pass through all that stuff because What you're trying to do is play Most games that are single player that like you can play on windows and all that stuff work just fine What you're going to try to do is play games with anti-cheat That don't support linux Don't do that. Most of it Don't most of there's no you're in a vm and yes, you have to do like The amounts of people that you're going to have to work with like you're going to have to be inside of a network of in people Because i'm going to assume you're not a developer and don't like want to do all this work to make it To make it functional and you have to combat the companies that make easy anti-cheat and do more and more Weird things with your virtual machine to try and escape detection from them And if they detect you you won't even find out until like two months later when they ban your account in a massive wave of bans and then like Getting past that's a whole nother can of worms like to be honest My recommendation would be instead of trying to do anything that crazy just switch over to linux and start trying to do something like Start trying to build a community that tries to work at and like reach out to companies That use anti-cheats that don't support it and the anti-cheat companies themselves and petition to get them like Linux support We always say that we always say that but you know People don't want to put that kind of effort, but I think that the solution trafitin mentioned and ccj mentioned It's just a dual boot if you have to have windows Just go go into there use your use windows when you want to play those and then come back to linux for everything else Well, no, I was talking about in the context of doing a gpu pastor and a virtual machine like it's just Yeah, no, it's just not worth it you'd be better off to just switch over to linux and then just Try and petition company. I mean as hopeless as that is because you know Game companies really don't care about linux support So probably ain't gonna go anywhere, but you can try and it's You'd be better off than doing the virtual machines because I know I know a couple people who have been banned for trying to do that so I know muda did uh He does all the virtual machine stuff or at least he did and he was always talking about how hard it is to do it Sometimes so he and he did the pastor stuff. So let's see That's kind of that's a little bit too broad there Someone asked could you share you some of your favorite linux tips and tricks? so A little broad, but why don't you have a good tips or tricks that you can share tyler? Yes, absolutely Hold on. Let me uh go to an empty workspace. Uh bring me up full screen beam me up scotty and I'll show this off so If you're ever Inside Of a linux terminal Let me zoom in so it's like plenty readable If you're ever in here and you're typing out some command actually hold on Let me type out a real command rophy dash show like the run Okay, so if you've typed it out and like let's say I misspelled rophy and I put like trophy or some crap for for the cursor If I want to go to the end Of the line it's control e Control e will take my cursor like if I'm over here editing this I fixed it up I want to go to the end of the line control e will take me to the very end of the line Now if I want to go back to the beginning like I messed up the trophy part I need to just have rophy control a will take me to the beginning of the line and I can remove that and Yeah, so those two key bindings it took me I used linux for ever without knowing those and those are Super super helpful commands save you so much time in the terminal You're welcome that those are good tips. So mine is more esoteric If you are Having problems on linux Two things well three things first Don't immediately distro hop like I did try to fix it before you distro hop You'll be happy eventually that you did because you'll learn more along the way second Don't be afraid to ask questions Go to a forum go to You know discord or whatever Third I guess the others gonna be four four things here. I don't have a count When you ask the questions go to The closest source to the problem if you know what the problem is So if you're having problems with plasma Go ask the kde guys don't automatically default to going to like open susan ask the kde problems A lot of times you can still get help in the open susan things if you're going to get like You know if you have problems with kde But it's better to go to the source of the problems where the developers actually are living for that specific thing And the fourth one is don't Get turned off by the assholes in the linux community because there are a lot of them that are going to come at you with like read the fucking manual You're moron. We don't accept noobs here. Whatever the Going thing is here. Don't be turned off by them because most they're they're such a small portion of the community You can go and find somewhere else to ask the question or just wait for someone that's you know Actually a human being to come along and answer the question because because I I know The number so I made a video not too long ago about it was titled something like Normal people have good reasons to not use linux and one of the other thing gaming In the comment section the number one thing that people said the reason turned them away from linux was The toxicity the toxicity of the community And that just kind of hurts your soul a little bit when you're a member of this community And you know how awesome it is Like The number of people I've met here that are just freaking amazing It is innumerable like you can't I can't count them But there are just a small number of people who are assholes and give us all bad names So try to ignore those people as much as possible I think I think probably the best example for like the linux like How the linux community works is like imagine There's a strip in like la Or like and not la like like Las Vegas like you know, it's just it's filled with gambling and stuff But there's this strip of really nice restaurants that you're going like you you have a desired restaurant that you want to end up with Like your linux space like your linux community You're trying to find like around a certain niche that you're interested all that kind of stuff You want to get there you're going down this like you have reservations for that place But the strip that you have to walk down to get there is filled with a whole bunch of people that like Try to offer you crap that you don't want or They get really upset that you're not going to like spend your money with them your time your money whatever with them It's kind of like that like you got to shoe off a whole bunch of Bad people to end up exactly where you want and it's not necessarily that they're bad It's just you know, some people don't have great social skills and that's not you know And every once in a while you're gonna especially on the smaller project You'll come along a developer who's not as helpful as you think that you know, maybe they should be Especially if you're asking a question about their specific problem Sometimes developers just don't have any interest in providing support You know, they created a really small bash script or whatever And they just assume that that thing just works for everyone and they're not they're not fixing issues It just works for them or whatever. Maybe they didn't do it Maybe they didn't even intend for other people to use it But other people are using it and they Find themselves in a place where they have to provide support and they don't want to so they're they're cranky about it So that happens. Well, I mean, yeah, that's that's so true because I mean they're it I don't know that everyone understands people skills don't necessarily come with the skills that are required to like Build out a great piece of software like those two things Don't have to go together. So someone can create something that's freaking awesome super helpful but Not have the people skills to like really help help out support and work with people and like solve problems and just you know work in a team like There there's a lot of people like that that like they're really good and like they'll fix problems, but They don't they don't do well with a team or working with like collaborating with people So I don't know. You just got to find your space. There's there's definitely a lot of really Really good people in the linux community. Well, I I think that Like if you are having an experience where you're coming across a lot of people who are unhelpful, I think the I mean some people are just unhelpful by nature like you said But other times it's because you're asking for helps in the help in the wrong places So if you go to like the the obs Form or whatever and ask a question that's really doesn't you know, they have no way of thick The obs guys can't fix weyland. They just they can't Not their project So if you're going they're trying to get help with a weyland or a pipe wire issue Just because it's affecting obs doesn't you know, that's not the place where you need to go ask that question, right and Most places are just gonna like for example I had I don't even remember what the problem was but when I first switched to plasma 6 I had an issue with something going on. So I went to the kde guys asking for question. Oh, oh For whatever reason because of the way that I upgraded to plasma 6 on open suzer The audio the volume icon wasn't in the system tray. So I couldn't change volume easily So I need to figure out what package I was missing But because I didn't think about it. I went to the kde guys first and asked the question And very nicely they said this sounds more like an open suzer issue and a packaging issue Go ask the open suzer. I was very very nice. So I did that one got the answer So most of the time you're going to come across that situation where they don't, you know, have the the answer there So you just they just point you in the right direction Sometimes you get into the arch Linux forums and ask you a question about your manjaro install Do that just once just for fun. I see You want to see some people who get triggered go ask about manjaro or arco in the arch Linux forums You'll have some fun Actually, that is a really like if you ever think like Ah, man Maybe this this Linux space is not for me. Like there there really is just Everyone's just bad go go and like join Like, you know a reasonable small Linux community And just hang out there for like five minutes and then make one post One post about manjaro on arch forums Like no immediately you'll see it's just a difference of places and environments like Yeah, the arch forums can already well just the arch community in general can already be kind of a wild place It's it's genuinely like the wild wild west of like software but Yeah, you make a statement like that. That's Yeah Yeah, you go and get some interesting interesting feedback Okay, so just kind of dovetail on this this isn't a question that was asked in the chat here But in one of our recent podcasts Actually in the last couple podcasts like ever since we did the tier lists I've had people asking me why we hate manjaro so much. We don't actually hate manjaro We just like trolling the manjaro folks because it's fun. Okay That's really the thing. I don't I don't hate manjaro. I just I yeah, I I don't even know that I would say I troll them. I I do find them funny Because the whole mentality of holding packages back and then they don't Actually like address problems in packages and like two weeks later You still get a broken package if it hasn't been addressed upstream like Come on. That's funny like The whole idea of protecting you from broken packages and it not working. Come on. That's funny Yeah, we make fun of the manjaro people a lot We we should say we don't have any problems with the manjaro people or the people who use manjaro It's a fine distribution use it if you want. It's just not for us So but yes, we we did troll the manjaro people for a couple times in the last couple videos We should we should say we're sorry about that because really just use whatever the hell you want I don't care what you use as long as you're not using nix. I don't care what you use nix isn't a real distro So don't talk to me about that See actually speaking of that. I think there was a chat of someone say I think someone asked something Yeah, nix os refuses to boot regardless of derivation. What distro should I put on my amd framework? nix os obviously like I I know you're talking about it's failing but That must have been just like a typo like just Just installed xos You'll be good. I mean, I guess you could install open source Like it's a decent fallback. But you know Wait, hold on. Actually, I do have a question for you. Did you Have you messed around with using the nix package manager on open susa? No, and I won't be doing that I did you I did use it on debion for a while. So I've used it as a package manager okay, I I wanted I wanted to know if it causes issues on open susa because I I think I've tried it on debion too I don't think I tried it on arch. I know arch would be like I assume arch would be fine because I assume like that's probably where a lot of people use it but I don't know about just on The general like wide linux ecosystem if it doesn't cause issues Other places I mean, I assume it would be fine. But also like I don't know Yeah, so My experience with the nix package manager on other distros is very limited So just keep that in mind as I say the things that I'm about to say and just assume that they're 100% wrong But this is just from my experience If you're going to use the nix package manager on another distro only use the penix package manager for your programs Just use it completely Because the way that it works like on nix west when you install packages Everything is put in the same place because you're using the nix package manager. It's all in the nix store All the paths are the same right works perfectly fine On another distro Where the vast majority of packages are being put in the normal linuxy places like slash user bin slash local user bin Places like that right in the regular pass and then you have a Situation where you use the nix package manager on say like debbie and They're going to create a nix store Directory in root and put all of your packages all your binaries and stuff there so you you're basically adding Another path to your system And that can be an issue when you are a nerd and you're trying to find things Also when certain programs look for things in a certain place and it's not in this In the place where it expects it to be it can break stuff I found When I was using it on debbie and just for the brief amount of time I've found a couple examples where Some things were looking for things in certain places and it wasn't there because it's in a different path And it's just it's kind of a mess, but I would say you'd probably find if you weren't mixing in matching So that's my experience again probably 100 wrong because again, I didn't lose it for very long So all right, let's go ahead and see if we can't find ourselves another question here. Let's um This might be I mean go ahead. I I know someone brought this up in chat I don't I don't know if this was I don't think this was a question directed towards us, but What are your thoughts and opinions on you know daily driving or doing a long-term review of ubuntu? No No I did so I went when that thing was first going around when it was just what was it 4m linux What was it um something like that? Something else something else, right? It's basically the exact same thing only they they changed the name I did a video on it just like every linux youtuber did and And just like every other linux youtuber. I was like nope. Don't use this it looks like a scam And this is basically the same thing. So I didn't even cover it this time. I who I think it was I think it was muda Who did a video on it recently where he said like they're they're charting for linux and that's not a good thing That's not you can 100 charge for a linux distro. You can do that That's that's not the thing that bothers the bothers anybody about wubuntu the The bigger problem with wubuntu is that they didn't share any of the source code So it feels and looked proprietary even though it's not And they've done so much weird Things right where some of the features that they proclaim as like the features they've buried behind the paywall Which pure 100 microsoft there? I mean they did a good they did a fantastic job of emulating microsoft on actions So but still It's just well, but then you know like the copyright infringement like is wild I mean like there's no way anything that they're doing with like the icon just stealing a whole bunch of stuff for microsoft is okay Their back ends completely uns it unsecure Yeah, like dt was just taking a look at their keys. I think for the I think it's like their key server or whatever like that's great well, and of course they also Somebody did like a like a net sniffer thing where like it actually Takes all of the ip addresses that hit the server and stores it in plain text So it's not a good distro don't use it if you want to if you want to create a Look and feel similar to windows Find yourself a distro that uses plasma and literally just install a windows theme It'll take five seconds a lot of those themes will even actually do the theming and positioning and everything for you Just do that. It's it'll take five seconds Um, and it will look exactly the same also if I mean if you want to run windows binaries install wine It's not hard um, it's literally just So do app and sell wine wine tricks. You're done on on ubuntu or debby and whatever Let's see here. So this might be a stupid question But can you can you distro hop without wiping your drive like maintaining a home user's directory? So the answer to that question is yes, of course, you can you can Take your home director with you as long as you want to very very easy to do so If you're going to do that obviously backups are one way The most obvious way to do it, but also you could do separate partitions separate sub volumes Whatever distro or file file System you're using will change a little bit. So yeah, like my my advice to a lot of people is like if you if you Could save up and get another hard drive to put in your system Like if that's an option for you and you don't already have a separate home directory And there's nothing wrong with your computer right now Keep it the way it is Pack up everything when you get that new new drive put it in your computer and then just do a reinstall And at that point make the new drive your new home partition that way it's a new drive So it's not it's less likely to dies, you know as soon You're putting all of your personal data there And then from that point on I mean whenever you want to reinstall a system you just install the system like regular To the old drive or if you know if it needs replacing you can replace your system drive You install there and just tell it where your home partition is and you'll be fine Yeah And I see I don't do that because usually when I'm hop I want to start fresh like I don't want all the cruft So it just kind of an easy way to just bring clean and just transfer the stuff that I absolutely know I have to have But I know a lot of people I know some people who have had the same home directory for 20 years They've never changed it. They just move it along with them Four ny asks what is the best? I think this one's gonna take a bit. So we're gonna have to have a conversation What is the best distro logo on neofetch? I'm gonna scratch out the new neofetch Let's just talk about the best distro logo. What do you what do you think the best logo of a linux distro actually is? I'm interested to hear this question. That one's hard. Yeah There's some really good ones, man. Like yes, there is So we just gave a lot of shit to manjaro manjaro has a really good distro logo I think their logo is pretty damn good. They block him. I like that a lot So but I don't think I don't think it's the best but it's really good. No To me, it's probably it's probably gonna be this is odd, but it's probably gonna be between um gen twos and soluses Oh, wow Gen two is very unique and with the with the color scheme. It looks very nice But soluses like that that one's very unique like the nice sale like going through I guess if you were asking what the most unique distro logos were the the gen two one would be But what even is the gen two logo? Yeah, that's a good point. Actually actually wait. Yeah, what is the gen two logo? What even is the gen two logo like nobody knows what that is. It's like asking what a monad is, you know Like nobody knows what that is So I I I think the gen two logo is pretty cool, especially a neofetched a neofetched the gen two logo looks freaking sick I'm ambivalent about this the soulless one. I don't I have so many thoughts about the distro itself It kind of plagues the the logo so For my I would have a really hard time about this, but I think and this is gonna piss a lot of people off. Oh, man I think the best logo is the red hat logo I mean, that's like if you see it with an actual red fedora logo of the red hat logo I think that's the coolest But it's so close. So like obviously I'd My problem with the open suzer logo despite me being an open suzer fanboy is first off They're changing it to something different. So the the new one's not quite as good And the old one there's so many variations on it. You just it's it's hard to choose You know, which one's even official So I can't choose choose open suzer Nobody knows what the hell the ubuntu logo is other than some circles The fedora logo is just the fancy f Honestly, they should have really played into the fedora. They An actual hat, but I didn't know what know why they didn't and then you have like Linux mint has the stupidest fucking logo ever like it just says linux mint on it Like good job on creativity there guys. You guys did a good job The the debian logo is freaking awesome, but how does it play? What is the little soupy thing actually mean again? How does that play into debian? Like I'm sure there's a lore there that I just don't know So deb, you know, it's cool, but I don't know how to to associate it with the word And then you have so like the lfs logo is actually pretty cool It's like the the tux on a like a puzzle piece That that's really cool But I don't think it's popular enough to be the best I don't know man. It's a really fucking hard question I I do really like the nixos logo with the flake, but that's not even the most like I would even I wouldn't even dare to say that that's the best and most like You know impressive logo in linux. I mean arch arches Well, I mean, it's just an yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, I mean, it's good. It's not bad, but it's just All right, so okay, so let's see of the major distros Let's see if we get this is an easier question to answer of the major distros. What's the worst one? I'd now this one might Might surprise some people but I I'd honestly have to say the ubuntu logo because even though it's Not not horrible. What the fuck? What is that? Like I don't know for whatever reason I don't know But if this is true or not, but this is just the way that I always looked at it Is it crop circles? I mean That's why I always thought it was crop circles. I don't know what it's just there looks like crop circles to me Like if you look at the crop circle that you see the some pictures of crop circles It's always I mean, honestly, I see it now. Yeah, it's like look looks like crop circles to me For me the the worst I always throw these guys For me the worst one is linux mint. I I Don't like that logo at all. Like it's it's it's New one is better than the old one the old one. It was like that weird like it had like a Gigantic it was like someone took the letters l and m and then just created a really big green stroke around it in Gimp or whatever and that's that was the logo at least now. That's probably what they did if we've ever been For the whole Then the new one at least looks a little better, but still I I I think it's pretty I mean No, at least the Ubuntu logo has some creativity because you you can have a discussion over what it is You know same thing with like the gen 2 logo You know the the open suzer logo has a character the red hat obviously makes you know, you know Some sense because of the name the debbie and one has some interest Next minute is just the you know the linux mint name mark. That's it Traff it in. All right, we're gonna have to calm this boy down in chat. Okay. What about the naked people holding hands? What wasn't that a thing like it didn't you want to have like shirtless people? Like holding hands on their website for a while. I think I remember this That seems like uh, yeah, that's that seems like something that I remember as well It's a it's a circle of friends That you know what that it is supposed to be people. That's it. I I It doesn't look like people it looks like crops Yeah All right, that that was a pretty good. That was a pretty good discussion. All right Let's see if we can find another one here. How can you best use adobe on linux? There's not a good way Uh, you can use some old don't use linux or don't use adobe You can use some find some older versions of photoshop and some of the other adobe street products on like via wine well Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure adobe's made it in there like licenses where If it you're you can't purchase like even if you were to try to legally go about this I don't even think you can purchase old versions of adobe software and run them. No, but I mean a lot of people have things that they've bought licenses that they've bought so you can if you want to go into I'm Completely missing the name of the the software for whatever looters. That's the name you can go into looters and install older versions of adobe software if you have a license you can then plug that in It's not going to run fantastically. Well, it's just not the better solution is either today just dual boot and use adobe on windows, which is what they want you to do or Dedicate yourself to using the alternatives that are on linux of gimp or audacity or inkscape Whatever try to try to try to switch switch if that's what you want to do so Someone also asked he's got multiple drives and one has windows on it. What's the best way to keep the documents from windows? just install linux and most like full desktop environment linux distros Normally come with a package for ntfs file system support, which is ntfs is the file system that windows uses If you're unfamiliar, so you should be able to view those files from linux a lot of linux distros if your distro doesn't immediately detect the drive or Whatever, you can't mount it and view the files in it then Just install the ntfs package and it should work properly You may have to do a reboot after doing that like but I doubt it So Yeah, just keep that in mind You don't really need to do anything special to be able to view and backup ntfs packages or excuse me windows file system Files just to go back to the adobe thing for a second We talked about GPU pass through earlier. It's not a great idea for Gaming but if you have the ability to do gpu you pass through Getting a vm of mac os or windows up running and then using adobe in the vm will actually work fairly well Again won't work won't work for gaming very well because they had to cheat but If you're set on just using linux and you have the ability to do gpu pass through either with one's gpu Which is possible or you have a second gpu you could pass it through that way That'd be a good way of doing it. Obviously that's going to require some technical expertise that you may or may not have Google it. There are many people out there who have written fairly good Tutorials on how to do gpu throughout pass through it's still going to be technical But at least you'll have a guide through that so if you're in a situation where you just want to use linux and you still have to use adobe Consider gpu pass through as an option. It's it's Going to be I would say that's better than dual booting But it's not going to be for everyone because you're gonna have to have the the operation So steve asks if linux did not exist. We've already answered this question once before we'll answer it again If linux did not exist, which would you use windows or mac os tyler? Which would you use? Just assume bsd is not a thing Which would then make mac os not exist but Honestly, I'd have to say because because I can't lie about the fact that I do love gaming It have to be windows It idea would just it would just have to be Now that being said I I don't know If I'd even be using computers Nearly as much like I'd probably just keep my games running all the time and just come back to them like Suspended or something because I don't do the if I have to use windows as a daily computer You know how often you have to defrag your freaking hard drives? I didn't even understand. Is that still a thing? Yes, like okay, even on ssd's like NTFS is such a terrible file system Even on an ssd It will it will ruin the ssd faster than pretty much any other file system Now that doesn't mean running ntfs on a ssd is going to ruin it but the file system the way it splits up and like Breaks apart files and puts them just Seemingly randomly across the entirety of the blocks on your drive It like it just wears and tears your drive pretty much And I mean, I'm not an expert. So it's not like I'm saying like I know this is like Factually true, but I've had enough people tell me and explain to me how how the ntfs and I've read a bit about it and I don't know like maybe newer ssd's have a way of just automatically dealing with windows's bs of how it deals with files but Yeah, it breaks it breaks apart files and throws them across your drives And so it's it's just Factually a worse file system because you have to go through it defrag it get those files like Closer together on your drive manually because it's just over time that happens So for me the answer to the question would be macOS obviously I couldn't I Every once in a while will have to do some service on my mom's laptop She's the only person in my family that still uses windows that I have to deal with And every time I have to I die a little bit inside like windows is so astonishingly bad now It has some I always say that like windows has some benefits like obviously gaming is obviously Still a little bit better at least in terms of multiplayer on windows They do a good job in some cases of design of their applications. It's very so fucking inconsistent. You really can't say it though and There's some benefits to windows But every time I go there there are just things that piss me off that can't be fixed So unless you're using like a high dollar Version of windows you can't turn off updating like you just can't do it It will literally you could you could be there Writing your magnum opus And in the middle of writing if you haven't saved you could lose everything because windows just decides We're gonna restart. I hate that. It drives me nuts. Another thing is that You install Basically any pizza software that deals with anything to do with the registry you have to do a reboot and the number of Pieces of software that have to deal with the registry is a lot Like a lot of them do that means if you want to install those things you have to do reboot non on linux There's a myth that you never have to reboot that's Mostly a myth if you do a kernel update in order to get that new kernel update you have to reboot But at least you're in control of it, right? But on windows a lot of times you install paste software you have to reboot. Also, I find it slow Hogs resources all that stuff. So I can't stand windows It just drives me bug like if your operating system uses four gigabytes on idle. They're boot. You're doing something wrong Okay, brother Are you talking about windows 11 because windows 11 for me? I lost at 7.6 gigabytes of usage Whatever which to me that is incredible. That means every service I could possibly need is already running in the background Yeah, yeah, that's the situation. I don't like it. You're doing something wrong. So macOS for me is the answer I don't really care for macOS. I used to be a macOS user. It's fine. I think Apple does a better job with hardware of software design than anybody else. I like it a lot better than than Windows in terms of UI design I would I think I would shape a little bit on the closed nature of customization But even then There's ways of working around it. So you think you can find a window manager If you want to use a window manager on mac, you can do it. Those exist If you want to do all of your software management through the terminal, you can use things like brew On on macOS. So it works very well. Now. I know that our terminal Terminal package managers for windows, but I've never used any of them. So no, I'll go there I think macOS would be it plus At least then I could have some really fantastic hardware So like apple apple does hardware better than anyone else at least in my opinion. They're just really really good but I've looked into this actually to get one of like the m1 or m2 macbooks just because it's really good and then I know the first thing that i'm going to do. Absolutely is put Linux on it like Asahi or whatever it is. That's exactly what i'm doing. It's actually yeah, it's pretty good I mean, especially for you because you don't want to do like you're not going to do that much stuff That needs the gpu anyway. So you're fine like you're going to be It's going to be great. Like I used it. Trust me. It's great And my sister was extremely scared because while I was using her macbook She was like great. You've ruined it because she saw like, you know, she saw me at the command line She's like, oh, okay. Good. So it'll just never have macOS on it again. Like no It's not that hard to install it again. It's fine Peter's fine. They're they're really nice laptops. They are I wouldn't disagree with you there So in a world where you couldn't use Linux you'd be a macOS user. Yeah Plus I have an old iMac that I could use like it's here um I have no clue The thing came from is like 2010. So it's like 14 years old So I doubt that it would work very well But it's here and I have like I found the cable for it the other day So it would be insane Absolutely insane if you could get facebook to load on that thing. I don't be wild I have a feeling that even with how old it is I could run a fairly new version of macOS like not Obviously the most recent but they cover that that's another reason why I'd be okay with macOS because their software Stays relevant on older machines for longer than windows does at least recently So like windows will happily kill off your cpu Within three or four years like the if your older cpu doesn't support t t p m t cp m whatever it is Like 2.0, whatever it is. You can't use a certain thing of of of of your you can't use your cpu anymore You have to use windows 10 or you have to do some really weird hacks the Soft macOS software tends to last longer on older machines and eventually it does get left behind But you know, you can still use it like if you want to also you could I think you'd be safer using older mac os software That's no longer getting updated Then you would be if you're using like windows xp on old hardware because you know, that's a A magnet for malware and stuff. Uh, so davino asks thoughts on the linux xen kernel Are there any benefits that are significant or any downsides? So tyler, you probably wouldn't know this better than I would As someone who's ran it. No, I genuinely cannot tell you that there is a difference either way Better or worse with this in kernel for me It works Exactly the same as my stable or like, you know, regular kernel did It it's fine. I I don't see any improvements, but I also don't see any detriments So it's not worth it. It's It's worth giving it a shot to see if it'll help you Give you a slight bit of performance somewhere But even if it does I wouldn't expect it to be incredible Anyway, and also steve. Thank you very much for the super chat, man He's a lot. Thank you Yeah, thank you steve for the super chat. Um, I was reading one right behind that 10 j zero zero says if there is no links, we'd use freer speedy or even herd Freer speedy. I'll give you a lot of people would use freer speedy or open bsd No one is using canoe herd. Okay Like no one's using canoe herd. Okay Okay, I'm gonna pull that pull put a call here So if you're listening to this live or you're listening to this, you know On the edited version and you use or have used canoe herd Email me email the links cast.org and tell me of your experience. I want to know Because I maintain that they're outside of the developers of canoe herd. There's no way I'm actually using canoe herd And yes, it's actually still being developed. You can go to their website Wait, wait, hold on. Should someone who has used it for a day before or like three days for like a week Shoot really actually on hardware not in a vm I want to know make sure if it's only been a couple days if you got it up and running an actual usable I want to know because I don't I don't like I want to know what your experience is because I maintain that nobody's actually used it for any significant amount of time and actually got it running to do significant work Also, just so everyone's clear. I'm pretty sure when we were responding to that question Didn't you even say the bsds are out of the question? Yeah, we said we said we weren't gonna We just assumed bsds didn't exist because we all know that if There was a situation where linux was an actually thing we'd we'd go use bsd. Yeah, everyone everyone would just move to bsd And we we would basically just make bsd the new linux like That's what we would do Like eventually steam would take their support over to bsd and and we'd We'd get everything up and running on bsd and then eventually someone would take bsd away from us And then we'd have to go use something different You know because because if all the linux guys moved over to bsd The bsd guys would have to go create something different because they're using bsd because it's not linux The their views on linux are similar to ours to windows at least a lot of them Free bsd six month challenge win never probably never. Yeah, you you just have too many problems with use I don't actually I don't know though. You'd probably be able to find most of your software on free bsd I probably could but I'd have so My biggest issue with even attempting to use bsd as a daily driver is nightmares of when tyler used open bsd and The astonishing lack of or the astonishing appearance of japanese style audio Well, I will say I think free bsd is the one that actually supports Like it supports like most of the like linuxy like audio subsystems while open bsd because it's like secure like it I think it's only sd st Dio or whatever it is s and dio, but that one like Pretty much nothing's really built to work with it. So you have to like Do a whole bunch of stuff or they just don't work as well with it So for you you'd probably have access to pulse audio and you'd be fine My only thing is free bsd Doesn't seem so or didn't seem to like my rise in five or my rise in 5700 cheap It did not like that Well, I think I think if we're ever in the situation where a whole bunch of people had to go to bsd The hardware limitations would get solved very fast Because more and more developers would go over there and eventually more and more hardware would be supported Right and a lot of the reasons why it's so constrained on hardware right now is because they're all very small projects And they're much more interested in getting to work on like at least some of the bsds to work on server hardware Because that's where bsd is, you know bsd is really big Someone at 10 j zero zero says plan nine is an option Well, maybe for tyler. He's No, I've hey look I spent a week on plan nine plan nine is not An option you you pay that man enough. He'll do anything Well, actually I was going to ask you how much so people were saying like talking about temple os Like so like plan nine temple os like those kind of very obscure like obviously you can't really run them as a daily driver like Really and use the same applications you're using how much would someone have to pay? To like again, you can work do your daily stuff Normally, but you have to in your free time for everything in your free time You have to run something like plan nine Or a modified version of temple os that you know supports the internet like for something like that How much would someone have to pay? realistically probably Five grand. All right boys. You heard it sell your car. Okay. You don't need a car Darn it that's would you use a light theme for the next month for the proper amount of money that yes, I would But other than no Hey, I hate light themes Brody did a video recently I think it was Brody who did a video originally says low light themes aren't that bad. They used to be really good when they were on windows A man you lost your mind Light themes have never been good Ever I I really okay. So there is one light thing That when I was testing like Like switching themes with my like little theme switcher script I was testing switching back and forth and I picked one because it said light and when I switched to it I mean it was obscenely white obscenely Everything was just in shades of white and I don't understand How people just do that Like I got pretty good back lights. I've turned them down a bit But I've got other lights on me and shit like I can't do that like I It's too much my eyes start okay. All right Everyone in the chat is going to be with me. So Tyler's been having problems with lighting recently He looks pretty good today But he has problem with lights. We all have we have the solution for his lighting problems All he has to do is use a light theme. He'll never need another light again It just we just blast him Full in the face with light. Hold on. Hold on. See you say that right now. I'm going to switch to let's see Cave like sure. Yeah, we'll switch to this light theme enter a password. This is going to take a second It's got to rebuild my whole system. Oh god. There goes our audio That kills the audio I'm going to be so mad It won't it won't I've done it before But yeah, so I'll switch over to a light theme and this is going to This is going to obliterate my eyes. All you had to do is go to the white website of some guys Well, also my entire system is about to change to a white thing So this terminal is going to go what like my eyes are about to be blinded But yeah, we'll see it's almost there. It's rebuilding all the gtk. Oh, I did. Oh crap Oh, no, I didn't even think about that my file manager is going to be blindingly white Right now. I'm just mostly worried about the the audio recording It's it trust me. It's gonna be fine. I don't trust you as far as I can throw you when it comes to audio recordings, man You should know this Hey, look the obs stuff's still going good. Everything's doing fine. Well, what we're waiting for tyler's slow ass non-disturbed rebuild Yes, it's not that bright in the file in the file manager, so it's just pure white. Okay. All right Yes, show us what it looks like. Oh, okay. I have you up on the screen We need to see what oh no, I didn't open up a terminal All right All right, so last question What do you think is the main thing holding linux back from being used by everyday people? There's a question that we've we've Answered before I think it would be good to answer again. So what do you think tyler? What's holding the back? Really just paid a proprietary software like that's really it most Most people who like I as long as the question is what's holding people back who would switch otherwise not just like like Why how do we get everyone to switch like if it's about the people who would like it? I think it really just comes down to the software like they they use adobe products. They use x y or z And they need it. Yeah, and so they just can't so Minds an offshoot of that and it's this is absolutely the number one Absolutely truth answer. There's no other real Answers that play a role in this It's gaming. It's 100% gaming like we we tutored our own horn about how awesome proton is But I made that video about why people don't switch a couple a few weeks ago And the number one answer was gaming like there are games that people want to play That they cannot play on linux and that keeps them from switching. So I think that's the number one answer I think adobe is probably a close second I I I do think That fragmentation does play a role in it because like even if adobe wanted to Do linux What linux distro do they target? Right? How do they know which one to target what what package format do they target? I mean, it's a little easier now that you know flat packs exist. Hi, buddy. How you doing, buddy? So I think it's a little easier now that flat packs and snaps exist, but Fragmentation does play such a role in making linux hard to know Where to develop your platform your Develop your program for That that's a big deal, but I think that gaming is the number one answer. I think that is so all right. So that's that's If you asked a question in All right, hold on a second Best the egonoma versus katie the obvious answer there is xfc. I mean That's that's the obvious answer Anyways, that's it for the questions if we didn't answer your question We do apologize. We got we probably lost them in the stream there somewhere So if you do have questions that you really want to get answered email us at email at the links cast.org I'll put them in a follow-up folder and the next time we do this We'll have a whole bunch of questions that we can answer there if we need to so Email at the links cast.org if you have questions to answer or feedback or whatever Send them there. So before we jump out of this episode. We're gonna have to do our nuggies of the week I still despise the name And you guys make me say it good assholes Surrounded by assholes Uh, anyway, it's the best guy though. Yeah, yeah, it's not even the good kind. I'm just Just it's just rounded by assholes. Anyway, so tyler your nuggie of the week Mine is way bar and particularly the css of way bar I've been messing around. I showed off my desktop a couple of times. I don't really have a good way of Showing showing this off big full screen But if you see It'll be really hard to see. I'm pretty sure on the stream But I've got animated css up in my way bar and I really haven't ever done anything like that before But now that I know I can do that kind of stuff What's what you can do with theming at your bar Is kind of wild. I'm very very impressed with it. I don't think on on the Stream you guys could see it because I'm pretty sure like the top bar was cut off But I've got like stripes going through my Workspaces and I can do that with other backgrounds and a whole bunch of different cool animated effects so If you can watch tutorials and learn how to do Linear like and just different gradient Animations with css. There's some pretty incredible things you can do with your top bar. Definitely give a shot Okay, so mine Is one that I've actually used before so I'm going to kind of cheat But I want I've been playing it more recently is kingdoms and castles on steam It is like a Minecraft version of 080 Kind of it's a much smaller game than 080 So don't don't expect there to be you know a whole bunch of land free thing everybody's like basically on islands or whatever And you're only there's no multiplayer. So it's just playing against the AI but it is just a fun little civilization building game with war and diplomacy and Trying to keep your citizens happy and trying to make sure you have all the resources that you have the need that you need You know and also trying to build everything in a confined space so that you have enough room for everything. It's really cool You know the My biggest issue with it is it's not very big. So there's not a lot of land to explore to so eventually eventually If you want to get bigger you have to Eventually declare war on the AI which always is fun. So you have to train your troops You have to train your archers. You have to build your siege machine machines It's a really fun game And it's easier to get into than something like zero ad or civilization because it is so so much smaller and smaller in scope So it is a very good little Like civilization style game and i've been playing the crap out of it and you know, it's it's very nice I know i've used it before but i've been playing it again. They've added some new features. They've added some new stuff One of the best things about it is they do constantly develop it So if you're you know, if you haven't played in a while go back to it. There's still some there's some new stuff there And some new features. So that's it's a it's a really really good game. So, uh, that's my nuggy of the week. 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