 If you are just joining us on the show, you are watching the latest breakfast show here in this hair town. You can find us on Facebook, Y254 channel on Twitter, Y254 underscore channel on the grand hashtag is Y in the morning. So we are asking you a question on your socials, on our socials. Eh, how now? I think na skianja, guys. In fact, I've been thinking about Smoky Pasua for I think almost 15 minutes and I can't wait. I can't wait. But it is what it is. Umakula abu, let us know. Hashtag is Y in the morning. So it's time for that conversation. And in case you missed the previous interview due to public demand. Like it's just that you wanted to watch it again and again and again. And don't be afraid to ask for more. But you can also find us on Y254 channel on YouTube in case the itch is a bit too insistent. Let me allow my pandas to introduce themselves to you. Good morning guys. How are you feeling? You guys look good. Maybe stop the ladies. How are you? I like your hair. Please introduce yourself to the people. My name is Fiona. I'm currently working in KPC. What do you do? I'm a junior living student. Do you want to report or just report? Yes. You have the poster here. It will be mine. Hashtag is wide warning. What is your name? My name is Evangisa Mutinda Charles. Runo. I am an international husband. Yeah about that. Please help me understand what that means exactly. It means I'm married to a beautiful Tanzanian lady by the name Koku. She even has swag in her name. Koku. Why international husband? Is it because you live in Kabauda? It's about identity. It's about creating yourself in the universe. How do you want to be recognized? How do you want to be known? Since I relate with matters of relationships, marriage and family matters it comes on board very handy. It also means maybe nili kwa sa loko. So I head to Kokabuda. I'm a father of two. I'm a younger Ajiapo. We'll forgive you because you are a very proud father. Thank you. A topic of the day, if you did not know, let me tell you. Do shows and programs that you watch on TV or elsewhere? How do you act, think and behave? Do they affect you? I would like to assume that... I'm not assuming it's the truth but let me just pretend I'm assuming. I would like to assume that this is because of the recent murders we've been hearing at Kwanzena Karura and how someone randomly watched Killing Eve and read two books and decided it's time. It is time. Hashtag is one in the morning. What do you think? What do you think? It's not even thinking. Whatever we read whatever we watch it actually affects how we react, how we reason, how we think. It gives us a world view. Yani tu kuna wile tu kiwa nakituflani kuna wile tu bieviako lazima tu ita nda nanayokitu at a certain perspective. And especially in the current generation kwa saasa we view so much. Actualy we read less and view more. That's why we have... Is it tick-tock something? Maybe the current generation this thing I downloaded I looked and it was just looking for the rates. You can waste hours. You are just watching moving from one another moving from another. Suggested for you. And you are just watching and consuming hours and hours it really affects direct. When we come to reading it's also another source of our world view that gives you kwa saa wile tu kiwa nakituflani reading has affected me but when we look at the current generation if you write somebody a paragraph they will not read. Just short, short, short, short I mean in so many WhatsApp groups and you find sometimes when you are writing something long you get few responses but you can take it to fupi fupi so it means people are reading but the reading trend has changed. Is it the capacity our capacity has become smaller and the rest don't want? That is one but again you see we are a generation in that we do it faster we do it faster we do it faster we do it faster we do it faster we do it faster we do it faster we do it faster you find anything time consuming this trend has affected me but I cannot tell you very few are able to do that because of these interactions of like WhatsApp something for Facebook you can talk to me so reading we are reading but the trend is different but they do affect us what do you think Fiona do you think they affect us? Yeah, to add up what you are saying let's say for example if you send me a long text I will stream the first two like this why do I have to struggle and you can maybe call someone we talk one on one and finish that conversation so reading also affects our behavior plus watching also like for example I once watched this movie what men want just like a shayake as I am working I am looking what is the men wants like I call it you read them you can read them what they want so when I am working I am concentrating on men looking at men and then I remember it was just a movie sort of searching what they are what you think call me on pair lines why you get me like that so when you work and you see someone looking you can read their mind so watching in effect like sometimes kuna move you and watch it impact what you will do so that's me I have a question what's the difference between having a passion for reading because honestly one of the ongoing cases it's not concluded so we can't say it back one of the ongoing cases he not only watched Killing Eve but he also read two books so is it that honestly I am one of those people and this is a bit weird I have always been a geek I am one of those people prefer the book to the movie if the movie is out I will first find the book kwanza no, I watched the movie kwanza and then I consumed the book my imagination is out there so I am assuming now this one has not only watched and he has also gone back I am assuming kuna malia li kuna highlights and he did what how did he get away with it alafopi geisabu according to Kenyan industry I am sure to transfer kusema wali Robbio Bank ni money heist like after money heist wali Robbio is it that entertainment has now become a threat can we not distill information I still take me in kijana and we have a kijana generation let me share a little bit of how reading affected me I think I was a teenager or a young boy in class 7 summer 8 so we are talking about 90s and I am sure you are not there it's okay you look young so maybe so you can imagine at class 7 I read a book is it John Grisham it's called The Partner and this book it had a detailed a guy ran away from home he was married he was a lawyer in a farm and somehow things were not working for him I realized he was a murderer and somehow he plotted how to run away from his family and that was that's when I read so for details but I actually implemented it this has to do more with parenting how you raise your kids and what the things they go through so I have been raised up by a very good ma but a general very strict you know those parents of those days they can just take you to the next level so my upbringing was a little bit over strict and my mum was very harsh and I used to go through faces of emotional detachment suffering I felt lost outside you could meet me I was a very happy guy I was born again when he was in class 6 I was preaching, I was doing a lot of things in the church but because of the the fire at home I was hurting in the inside and I ignored what I could talk to and share with but because of love for books I used to read a lot and the guy used to read with me back then I used to read a lot I used to read a lot I used to read a lot I used to read a lot we have seen them so I used to read a lot I read Akinna James Alices Akinna Nancy Drew all those kinds of novels but this one stood out so I was, what am I going through how could I escape this of course suicide was some thinking but was not an option and then I felt like I need to run away from this home I can't keep on staying here it's getting more actually I used to fast and pray about it alaf niki maliza to fast TV it gets fiery so you can imagine I used to cry a lot I used to have my own room and I used to cry a lot during the night I used to cry my pillow but during the day I was okay, I was this good guy so one day one time I decided to watch a plot running from home and that's what I did when I joined from one it's a long story, I'm just jumping up when I joined from one our school got banned it was a provincial school so I had to come home and my parents gave me an option but the school was near so I was leaving and cycling to school day in the morning and the evening so now being closer to mum it was another big challenge so you can imagine I'll not give you the details but you can imagine as a kid as a teenager you're going through this stuff and then I just joined a new school and then there was this kijana let me tell you bullying is very bad this guy used to call me Jackie no no and I used to hate it 3 or 4 there so you can imagine at home things are not working at school things are not working again so my performance is also dropping in the society I look good people are just appreciating and loving me I wasn't a bad boy, I think so but let me tell you when I decided I want to run I just wanted to implement I used to do a lot of things which could not like when I was a kid I used to be a god I used to be a girl free I used to go to the market so when this guy disappeared he went to Marathon daily he changed his license so what did I do I didn't do that fat all but I used to think I want to go to Darisa Lam at Tanzania it's all making sense continue so what did I do I decided in my conversations with anyone I hated TZ I hated Tanzania we are border we are border only border I am a border we used to have market days we used to go to the market so there is a lot of interaction so for me I used to just I hate these guys I don't love them reason was like the day I disappeared nobody should ever think I was just I was just implementing what I had done from this guy and I did it for several months I just hated TZ and I just like long term so eventually the day of disappearing came I went to the market I think we were in midterm so we went to the market and I I left mam I ran back home and kachkwa gunia kachkwa mangoza muna kakwa gunia I need to look like a market guy and I will talk I'm telling you that's what I did so even when I was crossing the border no papers nothing I was just going to go on Sunday and Saturday so I couldn't escape on a Tuesday for or on a Thursday so that was plan and remember I just joined I am 16 or 15 so I joined form 2 but when I was in summer I was in class 7 few years back and I am implementing it now so I was in kachkwa gunia so I was going to go to the market kwa na toka, na fukade aida side nika fukabodea, kwa anza nika fukabodea appealing, alafu niki inga, niki endampaka arusha. So kwa inga kwa arusha na katakata place nika badilisha, na ui niki kwa jkwa zili niki kwa kwa bag. Wa, wa. I remember this I had not have money, so I had stolen my parents money, that was my ticket. Niki kwa fanya ni, niki kwa gari, I paid the bus to Resala but I slept. Wali kupitisha? Kwa bus. Apana, nila laktu kwa bus, and then the following day there is alarm. No, to just summarize that, when my parents and of kwa ze written a note, what I've done and the reason, but let me tell you, what let me tell you, what happened, later when I'm told the stories, okay I come back later, it's another long story, I'm told they searched everywhere, but not in Tanzania. Everybody was like, if you search everywhere, you will find Nairobi, if you search everywhere, you will find Mombasa, Mutinda is missing. They did everything they could, but not at given time, did they ever think, if you search everywhere, you will find Tanzania. I was called Vuka Boda. So, that was... If I just may tell you, can I just use his story to ask a question? Yes. You see, where he's coming from is okay, a lot of dramatics, yes, but you know in his head at the time, you sound like you were making sense to yourself, like you need escape, you need to be free and all these things, but basically, he's coming from Kenya, so I'm coming from Kenya to watch, it's coming from Kenya to feel, but when a generation, there's just the other day where they have a conversation, I'm asking my panelist, hey, nowadays people are committing suicide, they're doing what? Then they're like, no, when he asked we didn't go through things, I'm like, no, now you can't tell someone like that, just talk to mum, be able to see, say it out loud, do that by themselves, how do we figure out what the problem is before it escalates? Like, how do we know? Come on, what to a society? Did you give me stanza, I'm not a parent, so, how can we tell? So, hard question. Hey, maybe we ask him, did you behave differently just before, just before you ran away or you planned this whole thing? I'll tell you where the problem is, and so, when you know where the problem is, you'll find the solution. And we'll, like you, we pick the guys, the guy, he must had our family, he had issues with the family. And when you read, because it's what we are reading, they look like a good family, well catered for the guys in campus, so you can imagine they must be living good. But let me tell you, as we are growing up, we have emotions, we have feelings, we have disappointments, we have challenges. And one of the things is a pillar that can help to navigate through the pillar yamsazi, parenting. And one of the things that, because it is the real, it is the reality. According to the story, the guy, alikwana hiti wa zazi, and because alikwana oneliaot, toengini, something like that. So he had, inside him, it was not outside, it was inside him, but he had these battles. Yeah, but even in the news, they said he was a very calm guy. He was always by himself. That's why it's... The people who keep it inside is it? Yes, that's why it's inside, inside, inside. And one of the things that I like to challenge parents is to learn to affirm their kids. Affirmation. It is one of the solutions. It's not everything, but it helps. It helps when you affirm your kid. It doesn't matter whether the kid is good or is not good. It doesn't matter if I'm a fanya visuri, I'm a jafanya visuri, but affirm you are my son. Okay, the other things create time with them, listen to them, talk to them. But I want to talk with affirmation in this. Let me bring the biblical perspective of it. We are seeing Jesus is born again, he is born in 1030 years, he is just about to start his mission. And then we see the heaven opening and God saying, this is my son whom I love. He had done nothing. Nothing. He was a fanya visuri, but God affirmed that he was a fanya visuri. He was a fanya visuri. Later, in the journey, there was another affirmation. I mean, fanya visuri, it was towards the configuration, is it configuration some other? To leonatena, heaven and fungu kandafu, God tena naungia. This is my son whom I love. Now, when you bring it into parenting perspective, do not wait for this son to do something. Do not wait for this girl to do something. Can you be affirming them as they are? Okay, but with respect, parents are out here losing jobs because of COVID-19 and maybe they are going to their own things. And again, I'm not a parent, but we must also understand the head space. Perhaps when we are living in an African culture, we don't have time for, I love you, I love you. I did not say I love you, I did not say I love you. Affirmation, if I talk about affirmation, it's not neksajasing, I love you. Because when you put it in the African culture, but it's something you can do for your kid, they can tell my parent love me. I love hugging my kids. I love just hugging them, just, you know, like hugging, even without talking to them. Anajua. He's to work for us, because as we know it, people, there are some parents who are just basic. Well, I've put food on the table, I've educated you, that's tembe na esu. And then when you reach a certain age, you stretch your wings and you fly, you fly and you go. Ya, and then I say, good job, I might raise someone who can at least stand on their own two feet. Allow me to say this, changing times calls for modernization in the parenting. Tu kukua, e generation, tu kosahi, na tu ezi kata, na tu ezi hepa. This is, if you want to mention, if you are a parent, and you want to talk about kitu, alafu, just go and text, unto me, ama utha, sasa, fanya even. Watch which works faster, which one which comes home. Use the social media, or use the, wei, nime semaniki, kujie viyomu vukurezimu uswa. You know that, although retative and then check the responses. You find, that's what I'm saying, it's modern parenting. And one of the pillars, it's not everything, it's one of the pillars, it's parenting. Tu jaribu ku kuryalize our, as you said, it's COVID, it has trackers, things are working against us, it's parents. Remember also this kid, they have their own world. You also have to step up and know how do you fit in as a parent. How do you create time to know, because of whatever you are doing, pure in our affect. How do you reach out to them? Because kukwana shida, what is the solution? Solutionetuna sema, as a parent step up your game in parenting. Also watch these movies and says, to see ni niniwa naona, ama ni ninii na fanyika. You also need to know, okay, I watch movies, I watch series. Okay. It affects me as a person, I know my thinking, I know my talking, but what do I watch? All right, so let's do this. Let's go to the audience and let's see what they are saying. So it's at WIPF on Facebook, Y254 channel on Twitter. Hashtag is white in the morning. I hope you're feeling something. Are you feeling something? Because he's speaking very passionately and Sanjay here died. At Tepeoda and Daya just learning things. Okay. All right. So we have one, Somishanana hashtag one in the morning. I don't think so because everyone has a brain to decide what is good and what is not good. TV program should not define your character. If you just join in, we're asking, do you think the things that we read and watch affect our behavior, what we do, how we think? Who? Duwati says no. Okay. Magem says, kwanza meansia Maria. Maria. Sidi tzvila inone'sha, jinzi watotwa na po ramali zawazia. Ziko wafu kuzo kwanzumbazaw, na kusdi kwa dadilizha kwa watu. Acting industry in Kenya is a mess because they're always after the money and not thinking about more negative sides. Yani, you're going to... Can I have a... Excuse you. What? Mono wo sumbu ya kina leka sa depapio. Why are you not checking the killing eight people? Why? How are you placing that claim at home? Sai kusan dotmengia Netflix. We will say it's not a sub title. We will not say it's not a sub title. We will not say it's not a sub title. We will not say it's not a sub title. We submit it under the comment. Feliz says no, Jenkins Mwangi says yes. It does affect Magiz Angel says yes. But some people don't know how the society behaves. Uncle Dennis says. Can I interact with that message? Sure. Aga kama moko. These things are created by people like us. We can't run away from that. It's a fact. Wao said. Anko deni says ho di ho di bila shakani anko deno eh hadi wu me piga ho di all right. It's okay at the United States of Kerita, UG County watching the show. Hadita Matim and James Bukwana. Piya nengiliya kwa mother hui na funzanini kwa society. Hacha iendeleku support zanje. I used to think those questions. I used to ask these questions producers and actors of films, why programs, ama films ninki nizama mawaji kwa niya kuna other themes. But you will be the first one to watch Fast and Furious. But you'll be the first one to watch Akina Jaki-Chan fighting. You'll be the first one. Okay. Patty Lingard says, let her Chelsea to tapi. A'a nimku namba seven, first four. Just Sharks. I want to sing you a story. Sing you a story aho inozuni isha. A'a nimku naka kwa majira na naki na ase no kuna wile. Oh, I thought you were an ase no fan. I was even going to ask why you're getting confident. To the wakilisha. To naka wizuri kuju. We'll fuck, banyu banyu. Yes. Ah, the show is lighted up. As we have gone from topic, as we come back on topic, Jay and Dr. Zuz have seen this poster. Let me say I think concerning the matter. Yes, people relate to what they watch. Music is the biggest influence on Kenyan TV and it has negative effects on its consumers who are the young generation. Okay. Then I'm guessing this is like in a do-do. Sijui atokwem tamu wa jewezi jikula. Those ones, et cetera. Tom Rafiki says, ziko na ukumedi mingi. So we zi beba. Hotspotia Wi-Fi na jua. Natu kakuse mawale wezi wa bank wa linfluenzi. Wana money has to money. Yeah! We were just talking about... Apu god point. Apu tumu kupatia. Now when your lead did turn a lock term, maze. Eh, toskai. Wapemi kani. Kuna move, kuna series. Kuna move yama series. Ya kama iyo, sewa li dig down wa kato keleziya. Da! We have never seen such dedication. Six months. Unwachima. Can you give them employment? E maze, gava inafa. Awa sewa kakunomba kotops. And maze, James says good morning again requesting love by Utile Brown and Ali Kiba. David Neto says good morning. The content they give their airplay have an impact either directly or indirectly. Okay. I still feel, and I'm saying this because we have six minutes. I don't know why time flies when we're having fun. But Fiona help me understand. Mwana. It's a personal opinion. Kai don't come for me. I think these things are tools. It's like, you know, technology. I can't say a smartphone is evil just because nesa pe mtutuangu, ama nesa pe kazi niyengu mdogo. Ajike paswaad, nisei funguwa, alafu anafanya vituazifi. I cannot now tell the government to stop online learning as it was before because of COVID and the schools had been closed. That is simply because kumpati a gadget. I think these things are tools. And just the way we choose to handle, yeah. But what would you think? Nama nimi pati ansa na, swali na ansa. Nama nima nisa. I address the nation. Ya, rika din, am technology. Vani ui yu omoja lisei ma. Ken yu na fanya ni ma intiafu, like, dizi shonuta mik it's your own personal choice. Siya tib na, kwa driven by something. So, wezi, chukwa sii mua tu mekakandu, nituazifi tu mei sii mua tijiku na, bla bla bla bla. At the end of the day, umtutupe na tika pula. Na, sikuwezi kilakichu iko digitalize na. Wezi, ikovidwa, titu wa mekaksama kwa internet, lini, laptop, simu and water views. So, it's a matter of control. Una control, amoneka limits. If you say, na tu mei sii mua tijiku na, ek, kini mii sii sii control. Lasimii, kwa kilakichu na seima, nikitupiata weuna? I'm talking about the kids. Yes. Ya, parental control. Yes. So, for the kids, like, for example, I have a nephew. I call, like, seven. This is a day I'll kuna kumiasiim. And then, you know, when they're using the phone, I'll make a earphone. So, I'll make up a kid who wants to watch. Utu tukubizi, yukubizi. Hey, mama kia nasiangutisha nangadi ni. Kusnupa round, he's watching pornography. Six years old. Six years old. I'll become a cross and add. A cup. To click. Oh my gosh. So, I'll click. A cup. I'll answer to watch. So, I'm a different feature. And he's a boy. I'm a different feature because he's watching what he's watching. So, can you now take a look at me? If you want to watch me at the gadgets and stuff, I'm not afraid of what I want. I want to be. I want to play something that you never see. Yes. I want to do it. I want to watch what I want. Yes. So, for the kids, I want to control them. I want to control them. There's also, if it's YouTube, they have the the settings. Yeah, for the kids. For content. So, as a parent, if you want to watch what you're watching, you have to adjust the settings. Because you never know what you're watching. And they don't go searching. They just happen. And then they find themselves doing that. So, that's as much as the country's input, but the gadget pick when I control. Yeah, when I call the kids, I'm sure. Okay, now that she's handled our younger audience, as in watoto, I want to ask you a question. As a parent. You know, as a proper parent, because here you're the parent. I want you to imagine your kids are grown. In fact, you'll not understand what I'm going through. In fact, in old school, I don't tell you. I told you, Peter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Miu to to, and you know it's got your fault. It's just basic biology. Your brain is still developing. Your hormones are everywhere. And I want to do something that mommy and daddy don't want me to do. And it's not at your reach. This person is baby We had over 16. In a high school we had no children and we was even younger than our kids. Now these are young men, young ladies. Now how do you approach this? We come to the table to say clearly that we are more than a 6-year-old boy and we must be better at this. So how do we zoom in and please make it as brief as possible. So, let's accept one thing first, that kwa spirit ka rebellio, ribbing rebellious, wakana kuja tata certain point. Atau yuki kwa kuna place ulefiwa kuna, nao azaibili to mese moa mezidi na bidi? Nivi lesi, mimi wad ventilo wa skuana kipawa cha kuku, muse maa. We need to accept that as a parent you can do everything possible, but it's still at the end of the day this kid will be rebellious, they will do things that are not what they are doing it. We need to accept our kids as they are. That is from the parental point of view. You need to be as they are. You shape them. Don't command them. Don't generalize. Nojom tu tokuna eje kifika. The only thing you can do mongelesha. Tell them your point of view irrespective of what they are doing. Keep on talking to them. Because I can tell you irrespective of my mother being so harsh and so everything in general and what. Today, I'm a good father. I'm a good husband. I'm still a man in process. I'm not perfect. But some of those things she's telling me, they are working for me. So as a parent, do not stop doing what is right when what you think is right. The other thing is as a person, you need to learn how to venture out in speaking. Speak. Find a clique that you are able to speak to. You said what you watch and what you read. That is what we are looking at. But again, who do you speak to? Who do you conspire to? This guy's girlfriend probably would have known what would have happened. And they could have also spoken out to jamanges idea. So when you speak out, you have to find someone to be in providing in. This person will be able to help you. Again, this prayer, this church, there are things you need to associate yourself with God. So don't run away from the place of God in your life. Sinopia, you have come with your things and you can tell me you don't believe and it's not in my place to force it down your throat. But I do think release is important. Even if you don't believe in a high power deity, in Shoryago, but just release, release. What you see on TV, do not try this at home. Do not try this at home. You can copy baby shark, find to that at home. But it's... Half a second, half a second. Reading made me get a wife. I was a street boy. And I got a wife because of reading. We are not particular story. Thank you so much guys for staying with us. This conversation has been very interesting and I really hope that we can continue it next week because we have more ground to cover. 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