 Okay. The recording has started. You're muted. Okay. Good afternoon. My name is James Pepper. I'm the chair of the Remind Canada's control board. Today is Wednesday, March 27th, 2024. And I call this meeting to order a few opening remarks before we turn to the agenda run the cusp of April 1st, which is the date that the board voted to indefinitely close the application window for all new tier three cultivation licenses and mixed tier two and anyone seeking to renew at those tiers or new or seeking to renew at those tiers. Starting a draft application or having an incomplete application in the licensing portal is not enough to satisfy this deadline and have your application considered for licensure. If you're seeking one of these license types, you must have submitted or resubmitted a complete application that includes all answers, information and supporting documents, including certificates of occupancy, certificates of good standing and all the other requirements in rule two before midnight on March 31st, 2024. You still have a few days. If you're working on this, please get in touch with the licensing team to get these documents in before this window closes. We've also onboarded a few new people since our last meeting. I'd like to first welcome our new education and outreach manager, Patrick Crowley. This is the role that Nellie Marvel used to fill. Patrick is a prolific writer and journalist. I've always been so impressed with how accessible and informative his work is and his writing is. Patrick has been putting a fresh set of eyes on all of our networking events, our guidance documents, social media and general communications and his finding ways to make the ever important job of communicating what's happening at the board more effective and efficient. I'd also like to introduce our new director of compliance, David Rubin. David has held a number of important roles within the Vermont State Department as part of our system, which put him at the epicenter of systems building, record keeping and compliance. Much like Patrick, David is putting a fresh set of eyes on all of our internal compliance processes and looking ways they can be improved or reimagined all together. I speak for the board when I extend a heartfelt welcome to both of you. I'm sure you guys will be familiar faces with our licensees, but I hope that you could just pop on the video, Patrick first and say a quick hello. Hi, everyone, really happy to be here and continue to meet everyone and speak with you. Thanks. Thanks, Patrick. And then David is in the room. You just kind of. Step in front of the camera for a sec. Hi, everyone. Dave Rubin, just like Patrick, I'm thrilled to be here and thrilled to roll up my sleeves and get to work. All right. Thank you very much. I also wanted to mention briefly, particularly for the benefit of our medical patients. So I'm really happy to be here and continue to meet everyone and speak with you. Thanks. Thanks, Patrick. And then David is in the room. Step in front of the camera for a sec. I'm sure you guys will be familiar with the name of our medical patients that oftentimes come visit us in person. That we have officially moved into our new office. It's the same location 89 main street in Montpelier, but we're back on the third floor. I think all the signage is correct at this point. This move is the culmination of a, at least a 15 month three dimensional chess game that our director of operations Olga is so definitely navigated. You hold guys so much for the endless meetings and walkthroughs, the thousands of decisions that fell to you. And for keeping all the various agencies involved on track. And somehow you did it with a smile and at least I haven't seen any polls in the walls. You know, and you punched along the way. I also want to thank all the staff for being so flexible throughout this process and piling on top of each other. For about four months in a space that was previously being used as a storage closet. And a special thanks to Priya and Isabel, our tireless medical team for spending more time in that storage room than anyone else and making it such a welcoming place. So other than that, just need to approve the minutes from our last regular meeting on February 28, 2024. Is that a chance to look at those? Yes. Is there a motion to approve? So moved. Seconded. All in favor. Aye. Through the agenda here, Brennan jumping right to the executive director report. Okay. So here's your report for the month of March. We'll start out with a summary of our public engagement sessions. So this is a summary of what happened last month. For our monthly educational events that we host for our current and prospective cannabis establishment licensees. And as a reminder, the goal of these events is really to allow licensees, the opportunity to connect with each other, share their knowledge, and also learn from board staff and, and or industry professionals on a variety of topics. And these are all recorded sessions. So you don't have to attend live. You can check out the YouTube link, which I've included in this report. Hi, Brennan. Sorry to interrupt. This is Patrick, I can't see your, your presentation. If we can just pause for a moment. Let's, let's try and figure out how to make sure we can all see that for a second. Sorry for the delay folks. Presenting. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. You can send it. I just sent. Okay. We can do that. A second. I think it's a presenter that we can share our screen. I don't know if that's achievable. You should be good now. Okay. Everybody see that. See it now? Yeah. Thanks a lot, Bren. We got it. All right. Thank you. Okay. So summary of our. Monthly educational events. So last, this month of March, we hosted a cultivation challenges with Pungal organisms. Educational session that our own Chris, Monica hosted and. And. And spoke about. And then upcoming in the next couple of weeks, we'll have a review of our updated advertising guidance. So as. Cannabis licensees have explored new ways to reach their customers. Our original advertising guidance. Really sort of fell out of date and became less useful. For us as we were reviewing novel. Submissions for advertisements. So this new document is going to provide really a comprehensive. Business. So we have a lot of helpful advice. We also have a lot of helpful advice. So, so we have a lot of guidance about advertising, which includes promotions. Sponsorships. Directory submissions. Partnerships with third parties. Social media. And what happens with businesses websites. It also is going to set expectations for what happens after. An applicant submits and advertising submission. So we've created a new process. By which advertisement reviews are going to be submitted and process is really designed to reduce the inbox overwhelm that our staff are experiencing and funnel all advertising submissions into an orderly process for review and a secondary review if and when the result of the initial review is challenged by the person who submits it. So all licensees that do any advertising should tune into this session where our very own general counsel will be doing a walkthrough of our new advertising guides. And then a summary of our hiring activity since the beginning of the new year. The chair spoke about this in his opening remarks, but we have onboarded a few new staff including Patrick Crowley, our new outreach and education manager, onboarded in February, David Rubin, our new director of compliance and enforcement who is onboarded in mid March, and then most recently just last week, we did onboard a data manager, Liz Love, who you will meet at another board meeting. Meet yourself there. Okay, so with that, I'm going to move on to the adult use program licensing data. And I will start with our numbers of total active licensees. So we always start with a few slides that are really a snapshot of all issued licenses. And so these include renewals, this includes this really a point in time of all active licenses at the moment. So we've got 120 indoor cultivation licenses at the moment, 119 mixed and 156 outdoor. You can see the breakdown by tier there. And then here are other types of licenses. And we've got the total number of active licenses down at the bottom. We're at 560 total active licenses as of this week. And then the next slide here is a breakdown of licensees by their priority status. So we're going to, in the next few slides, we're going to look at a breakdown of all licensees by type and tier according to the business's priority status. This is a distillation of that information into sort of the total breakdown of all of our licensees by priority status. So standard is the Kelly green, social equity is that teal green, and then economic empowerment is that black. It looks dark green here. And then now we've got the raw numbers of all licensees by their type and tier according to their priority status. And then the next slide sort of is what you just saw but distilled down into the license type with the priority status represented as a percentage of the total licensees. So these are our cultivation licensees. So you can see the difference between the indoor outdoor and mixed cultivation licensees, what portion of them are standard licensees, economic empowerment and social equity. And again, social equity is the teal, economic empowerment is the black or dark green for appears to you. This is great. Thank you. Almost in depth. And then the next slide is for manufacturing and retail. Same breakdown, but for this different license types. Before so the next series of slides is really about renewals before we get into renewals. Just a brief look at license relinquishments. So this is showing license relinquishment by priority status. And that number, that total of 55 is the total number of licensees that have relinquished their license since the outset of our time issuing licenses. So it's not a monthly number, it's a total number over time. So the slide really demonstrates based on the last few slides you looked at that the proportion of licensees that are relinquishing their license, roughly, so by their priority status roughly matches the proportion of total licensees we have by priority status. So the number of economic empowerment licensees that are relinquishing their license is a little bit higher than the total number of licensees that we have in the economic empowerment category. But given that this total number of 55 is so low, it really probably does not indicate a trend at this point, but we'll continue to look at that over time. And I just wanted to point out on this slide that there's been a slight change in how we're doing this reporting for license relinquishments, which has resulted in a very slight shift in the total numbers by priority status here. The total relinquishments have really only have only increased by one since last month. But the breakdown reflects that there are three more economic empowerment licensees that have relinquished their license and two less standard licensees that have relinquished their license. And these numbers, as opposed to those numbers from last month, are really a more accurate representation of who have actually relinquished their license. The reporting last month was really based on who was report, which businesses were reporting to staff that they planned to relinquish their license. And these numbers are an actual representation of who has relinquished their license. So these are actual expiring licensees at this point. Any questions about that? So I'm going to move on to our renewal digging into the renewal slides. So this slide looks at the proportion of renewals in which cultivators and manufacturers are changing something about their license. So we've got no change at 82%. And this the percentages here all around are roughly staying stable. There was a slight increase this month in no change up from 80% last month, and a slight decrease in tear change down from 12% from last month. So mostly staying the same here. And then looking more closely at cultivators, the changes in cultivation type. These proportions are shifting slightly, with about a 6% increase in the mixed to outdoor change, and a 6% decrease in indoor to mixed. The outdoor to mixed is staying stable. And then cultivators and manufacturers looking at them together, how they're changing their tear when they renew. There's no change to this from last month. Most folks are increasing. And five have decreased. And then looking again at just the raw numbers of how people are changing as they renew. This slide really looks much the same as it did last month for the raw numbers and how folks are changing. Obviously, the green arrow is who is increasing the black arrow from left to right is who's staying the same, but changing their type of cultivation. And then the the orange arrow is who is decreasing their tear size. But this slide is looks at our larger sized cultivation tiers. And we've got a few more changes here of people moving up or down. Same number of folks increasing tier as decreasing tier among the bigger sized cultivation. On the last one, there was I think I saw one indoor to mixed. Is the is the general trend like indoor to more outdoor growing mixed or outdoor? Or is that just a one? It seemed like in the last last month, there were more moving from indoor to mixed or outdoor. So this let's see. This is our sort of overall nobody is moving to indoor. Yeah, yeah, yep. The trend tends to be towards outdoor or mixed. Any other questions about those or I'll move on to our canopy capacity. Okay. So these numbers are looking the same this month. Indoor and outdoor license canopy is static. The numbers there are static square footage is the same this month as it was last month. The board did approve around 25,000 square feet of indoor canopy at the last board meeting. But those approved businesses have not yet had their licenses issued yet. So that indoor number is likely to grow soon, probably at the next board meeting. But you don't see that reflected here, because those licenses haven't yet issued. And then here's our capacity versus utilization slide. As a reminder, the total number of licensees that are surveyed for their utilization percentage is around 15% for licensees. So that utilize canopy, the dark green bar is reflective of a subset of our license growers. That utilization rate is is again relatively stable. For both indoor and outdoor, it stayed the same since December. So no real dramatic for real shift at all in our utilization rate. So far this year. Okay, I'll move on to retail areas of density questions. And here is the these next couple of slides show our areas of density around the state where we have two or more retail businesses or retail applicants. And there have been no changes in this list since the last meeting. So nothing new for you to see here. And so next I'll move on to product registration. So this is a snapshot of all registered products. And it's just a comparison here between our retrospective of 2023, what 2023 look like with respect to registered products, and then 2024 so far. So you can see that mostly it's looking the same, although there is a little bit of growth in the extract category. And the other category, a little bit of growth, and a little bit of a reduction in the number of registrations that are for flower. So any questions about that? Okay, so I'll move on to our pre qualification application. So this is a summary. This is just sort of a snapshot of all applications that have been received since we've instituted the pre qualification process. So a total of 120 pre qualification applications. And you can see the status there, the breakdown according to status. You'll see that there are two in the denied status category. Those are both for presumptively disqualifying offense. A denial of pre qualification doesn't prohibit the applicant from continuing on to a full license application. It just is an indication that they are not approved for pre qualification. The dismissed category is is a category where it's really initiated by board staff. So CCB initiates a dismissal, whereas a withdrawal is initiated by the applicant. So those 16 dismissals are really reflective of staff dismissing application if the applicants submitted for either a closed tier of cultivation or closed some kind of closed license application category. So if the problem is a curable problem with the pre qualification application, it doesn't get dismissed. It goes to incomplete or some other status. So it's really only dismissed if there's some incurable problem with the application. We're four months into this new process. That's right. Yes. And how's it going? Because it are people finding it more efficient? Is it helpful? Yes, we're getting a lot of really good feedback from our applicants about the process. I think they're feeling very supported by the amount of sort of one on one between the applicant and our staff. We have a whole host of our staff that join for these pre qualification meeting sessions that include licensing staff and compliance staff. And not only are applicants getting a lot of their questions answered, but they're also getting sort of a complete picture of what the application process looks like, both from like a paperwork perspective and a site visit perspective. And so I think it's leading, it's also leading to some better outcomes. Much of many fewer complete applications are being submitted. It's the biggest quantifiable, quantifiable the right. Yes. Yeah, on both ends, I would imagine, for both the applicant and staff that would speed up the process. Yeah. So once it's been in place for a little bit longer, the plan is for staff to pull some reports on our sort of the timing of how long it takes us to review an application. So we can and we can do a comparison between how long it was taking us prior to instituting prequel to how long is it taking us now that we're doing prequel. So we're going to give it a little bit more time to allow for some applicants to move all the way through the process. And then we'll do that reporting. I've asked this before, I can't remember the answer. Is there a fee for pre qualifications at that $500 that we had set in statute? No, the pre qualification is just a part of your complete license application. So there's no separate fee to pre qualify. Okay, so of those pre qualification applications, this is a picture of who has moved on to their full application. So of those 120 pre qualification applicants 20 have finished their pre qualification process and moved into their full application. So and that's the breakdown of who those what those businesses are applying for type of license. And then the next couple of slides, we're just looking at our tier three cultivation and tier two mixed cultivation renewals. So these are the folks that are seeking to renew with these levels. And these are the folks that are in process right now to renew it either a tier three, or a mixed tier two cultivation. And so these are the tiers for which the application window is going to close on April 1. So we've got nine people in the pipeline to renew those levels. And we have two new tier three cultivation applications in the queue. There's no way we reach out to those people about April first. Yes, they've all received a lot of contact from us. So unless there are any questions, I'll move on to the compliance data. Alright, so summary of our compliance work. These are inspections and investigations just over the last month. Gives you a picture of where our field staff have been what they've been doing. 38 total inspections over the last 28 days or so. 11 investigations. Are the inspections like just are they those are planned or scheduled or they are? Yes, they are. And then digging into the other work of the compliance team, we've gotten six new complaints since the last board meeting, and undertaken seven new investigations on the following categories there pesticide misuse, advertising, on site consumption, unlicensed establishment, inventory tracking record keeping in general compliance. Since the last board meeting, we've issued three notices of violation. And sort of the rationale for those notices of violation is listed there. No corrective action plans have been issued since the last board meeting or letters of warning, but we have observed product destruction in four instances. Any questions about that? We'll move on to our medical program data. And this is just one slide. This month to just show our numbers. We've had a loss of 149 patients since last month. I think a small bump in caregivers, we've got one additional caregiver since last month. So the trend continues. And that is your report for this month. So before we go on to the recommendations for licensure, I would recommend that the board come to a second session so we can discuss social equity advocate to social equity app. Yeah, thank you for that, Fran. I don't think I've ever thanked you for doing it all this time. But I just I know how much work goes into this from the entire staff. It's really it's hard for us to kind of just take it all in. But and have in depth questions. But it is really tremendous amount of information and work that goes. And I think the staff for all of their hard work to get it done every month. So yes, executive session is next, as Brent mentioned, we've been kind of given some information that we have two recommended denials for social equity status. And we just want to go into the executive session here from our general council and our executive director. But more detail about those two and I think it'll take very long. So I think it's technically a deliberative session for a session. Okay. Do you have a motion for that? I do. I move that the board entered deliberative session for the purpose of non public consultation with its legal counsel and for the purpose of deliberating upon two applications pertaining to personal documents relating to applicants for social equity status that are exempt from public disclosure under Vermont public records one VSA 317 C7. That looks like on favor. Hi. Okay. It was 131 right now. I mean, why don't we give ourselves 20 minutes? Okay, so we'll be back at 150 right around there. L. C. or Patrick we have, would you mind putting up that just a way message essentially? Okay. So just to reset, James Pepper check in his control board Wednesday, March 27. It's 158 p.m. And we're exiting executive session and rejoining our regular scheduled meeting. And Brian, I think you are going to review recommendations. And everybody can see this again? Yes, we can. Great. Okay. So here are the staff recommendations for licensure this month. So as always, the applicants on the following slides have demonstrated their compliance with all requirements for their license contained in board rule and in statute. So first, we'll talk about staff recommendations on social equity status. And this month we have two recommendations to make to the board on social equity status. The first is an approval for submission number 5196. Is that applicant has met all the criteria for social equity business applicant was defined in board rule. The second is a recommendation for social equity status denial and that is submission number 7608. As that applicant has not met the criteria for social equity business applicant has defined in board rule. And then the next couple of slides are staff recommendations for licensure. The first is for initial licensure. So this month we have strange clouds applying for a tier three cultivation indoor cultivation license. 802 joint ventures applying for a tier two manufacturing license. Antler Ridge applying for a tier one indoor cultivation license, Ben T辦法 tier one indoor cultivation license, Dr. Dank applying for an indoor tier one cultivation license. Champlain craft cultivators applying for a tier one outdoor cultivation license, brought product creations, applying for a tier one outdoor cultivation license and felony farms applying for an indoor tier one cultivation license. That is at your new applicants recommended for approval this month. And then the next couple of slides or our recommendations for license renewal. So these are our folks that have a license and are being recommended recommended to the board for renewal. So I'll leave this up for a couple of moments. Excellent. And last. And there you have it. This report will be posted on the website by the end of the day. So folks can take a look. See if there renewal application is recommended for approval. Any questions for brand about any of this? No, just to clarify those two social equity one approval one denial. Those of the two we discussed in executive session. I think I said that they're both denials, but one was an open recommendation and decided to approve. Well, you will decide to approve on it. Are you ready for a motion? Yes. I'm going to accept the recommendations for approval and denial as presented to us by staff in this meeting. Oh, second. Any further discussion? Nope. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Great. All right. Why don't we move to the last item on our agenda, which is public comment? Do we need to take a vote on the record? The remaining recommendations? I think that we thought that we just did it all. I thought that was all of it. Okay. I think that was just the social equity one. Sorry, I thought you were asking to approve all of the recommendations. That's well, let's just make sure we get it right. Okay. So we just voted for the social equity approval. And denial to accept those recommendations. And now we should do the remainder of licenses. Just the remaining record staff recommendations. I move to accept the remaining staff recommendations as made to us by staff in this meeting. Oh, second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Great. All right. Now let's move to public comment. We're in the meeting room. Yeah, I know. Erin is all flustered. Okay. Same way that we always do. If you join this meeting via the video link and would like to comment, please raise your virtual hands and we'll try our best to call on you in the order that you raise your hands. All right. First hand up is Dave. Thanks all. Appreciate the good work. Thinking always about market saturation and kind of how things are shaping up. And I don't know what data you guys are seeing certainly from my perspective, you know, working with various cultivators and also running a retailer. We're seeing a lot of supply far exceeding demand. And we're seeing prices slipping with a lot of growers having a lot of having a very hard time getting rid of inventory at any price. And then looking at that in the context of the 47% utilization rate of indoor canopy and the boards move so far to limit new licenses, you know, it seems like limiting new licenses won't be enough where you have an oversupply and potentially twice as much indoor canopy already licensed. And so I don't know that I have a recommendation and I don't think this is an easy problem to solve, but it just occurs to me this 47% number really stunned me today and made me think that we're in for a lot of hurt without something more than what's been done so far. And I'll just leave it at that. Thank you very much. Yep. Thanks, Dave. Next hand up is Andrew. I don't see a last name. Yeah. Hi. Thank you. I know it's not a question and answer session. I was just wondering about an update on the propagation licenses. And I don't know if at some point there might be some more information about when those licenses would be available. Yep. Thanks, Andrew. Next hand up, Russ. Hey, everyone. I was hoping that just take a minute to talk about the product renewal process. We're about a year out from the product registration process and many products are coming up for renewal. Currently, as far as I know, the process is essentially 30 days ahead of time. You are able to apply for renewal maybe more than 30 days ahead. But what we're finding is instead of having the product number for an existing product extended, there's a brand new product number that comes up, a brand new product registration number that comes up. So essentially, it's really no different than a brand new product registration from practical use. I think it's creating a lot of issues, and it's going to continue to have issues for all retailers, manufacturers, anyone that's registering product in a couple ways. So first is for every product that folks expect to renew, that means every single retailer that is carrying that product will have to manually go into their duchy system or whatever system they use to change that product every single year on an ongoing basis. Versus if it were the same product registration number, that could just stay evergreen and there's not that double handling and coordination. Second, there's really no visibility for retailers to know if and when products they are carrying are either going to be renewed or when they're about to expire. And the problem that we're seeing is once the product registration lapses, the old number doesn't work any longer at all, and that's not really realized until it is put into someone's basket, that order is picked, and the customer is about to pay and then finds out that they're not able to buy the product that's right in front of their hands. That creates a lot of, a ton of scrambling between the retailer and whoever licensed the item and it causes frustrated customers. And finally, if like a manufacturer or a grower doesn't want to re-register a product, let's say they don't want to make it anymore, they don't have a lot of visibility to if some of that product is left at a dispensary and may still need to sell through, so they may not register something or look to renew that registration and they're going to find at the retailer that it wasn't, they're not able to sell it and they're stuck with this inventory that they can't move. So I wanted to propose a few recommendations. First, that we get this figured out. I think the right solution would be to allow us to continue to have those product registration numbers that were initially provided for those products. My understanding now is that there's no real good fix right now. If an auto fix is impossible, I propose a few things. One, I know we can extend these manually. It may be worth just having some office hours and taking time with those registrators to go through the products, confirm whether packaging or changes, give new COAs, whatever it takes. So I could meet with someone for an hour and go through every product that we intend to renew for the rest of the year. I also would like to see that we publish expiration dates on the public document that shows all the product registration. So retailers do have that visibility if they're buying product that are, you know, basically up to expire soon. It also be great to kind of have some sort of coordination between existing product numbers and the new ones when those registrations do go through. And then I'd ask that like once a product has started the renewal process, if using the same number isn't possible, that we allow some sort of grace period so that both numbers can be used in the duchy system so that we don't have these issues where retailers are getting all the way to the last part of the transactions and end up disappointing customers. And, you know, the person either managing the dispensary just doesn't have that visibility. So I hope you'll consider some of those things and happy to talk through it offline at any time. Thanks. No, thank you, Russ. I mean, the more detailed you can get with us, the better, honestly, on some of these things doesn't have to be in a public comment session and can certainly be over email or on the phone. But those are very helpful suggestions. Thanks, Russ. Next name we have Bridget Connery. Should be able to unmute yourself. Bridget, you still with us? All right. Why don't we go to the next name? I see Bridget. If you come back, please raise your hand again. Tito Byrne, go ahead. Hi, everybody. Can you hear me okay? Yep. Excellent. So I just want to thank you for all your hard work as always and thank you for renewing our license. We're very excited for another year. I do want to just reiterate though how great it would be to streamline the process of renewal. So it doesn't really feel like a reapplication and instead a renewal that maybe is a little less burdensome time-wise for the applicants. And then secondly, I just want to say I agree with Russ very much. We've been talking a lot about this internally about the changing registration numbers causes a lot of confusion and unnecessary work. That's it. You guys are having a great day. Thank you. Thanks, Tito. Next up, James Lang. Hello, can you hear me? Yes. Yep. Super. Yeah, I just wanted to piggyback off of Russ's comments here. I think we came to the same idea, having the expiration date for those product registrations on that CCB product registration document, that would be the only way that I could think of is to get ahead of these issues. And I think that we were all under the impression that the expired product registration number would still go through at point of sale and it is not. It is getting hit with a error 400. Other than that, I am working with Dutchie, with a couple of my retailers, the incoming transfers and receives integration into Dutchie. That's still a thing that's still coming. It's probably two to three months out for transfers and a little bit longer for receives. And just a quick FYI for everybody tracking harvest lot and process lot in their Dutchie. It sounds like the right place for that to go is going to be the batch name and cultivation batches that's following the strain all throughout Dutchie. That's all. Thanks, James. Eli, go ahead. Thank you very much. I would like to also reiterate the product renewal and also just add for cultivators. I had a renewal that I just saw was denied for more information and it said it needed a fresh pesticide test. This is a flower product that's been rolled up in a pre-roll and out to my dispensaries for months and months. So within even that registration on the grower side, having an updated pathogen makes sense. If it's appropriate, I had mine tested in November having an updated potency. But if this stuff is inventory that's already out there at our, and I would say specifically the pesticide does not seem like it's necessary, nobody's added pesticides in the year since it was registered and it's a finished product. The pesticide half-life, it wouldn't show up anyways unless it was freshly applied. So pesticides don't seem important to that at all. And then guess I just wanted to also note sort of the legislative process and just tune people into the bills that are out there and what's being proposed and what's not. I feel like a lot of these topics that we discuss here in the CCB meetings don't make it into the legislation that we see being discussed. And I don't know if we're only looking at one bill per year and our only shot to do all of these things at once. But when I hear the issues that we discuss and that people talk about grassroots and a number of us bringing up the same things and then I see what makes it into the statute, it seems like there's a big disconnect. And so I think a lot of us support the CCB and see you guys out there advocating for reducing or eliminating the caps, the event permits, some of these. But it's very frustrating not to see this stuff make it into the legislation and puts us all in a tough spot where we have to decide should we oppose this legislation because it is imperfect or missing things or will actually damage us as cultivators or is there another approach, is there a way to take this bit by bit, is there a way to talk with the CCB in no kind of before the legislative session sort of what the roadmap looks like. So I just want to express my frustration with that legislative process and say I think within this meeting and CCB and cultivators and licensees, a lot of us are on the same page but there's a huge disconnect with the legislature and right now I think we'd all like to see the CCB be more empowered to get the things we're talking about into the actual laws being proposed. And I'll just conclude by saying if anybody was down at the Boston Necan, the prices in Massachusetts are our best case for what's going to happen in a few years, anybody that went through CBD. So this idea of oversupply or the correct amount of supply, this is an artificial temporary market, things are going to change when federal prohibition happens. And so I think people need to dramatically change their expectations or take a hard look at other states around us for what prices are coming and be a little bit more realistic because the government is not going to, there's no policy that's going to end capitalism or end the inevitable. And a lot of people who went through CBD should know better and should be prepared for a similar process with THC. So thank you all. Yeah, thanks Eli. Brigitte, you've had your hand up for a while. You've jumped to the bottom of the queue, I think, because of technical difficulties. Why don't you go ahead? We can hear you very faintly, Brigitte. Faintly, yeah. I don't know if there's something covering your microphone or something. Yeah, there's not. You know what? I'll put it in as written comment. Okay. The herb closet, go ahead. Hello. Can you hear me? We can hear you. Yep. Awesome. Again, saying thank you to you guys for the hard work that you guys are doing, kind of following up on what Tito said. And I never thought I would say like DMV does a great job, but in the style of trying to renew your license, instead of having to go start from scratch, it might be beneficial to just have questions saying, you know, has anything changed? So it could be abuse. And we don't have to, like I own a barbershop too. And in the barbershop renewal, it's more like has anything changed? But you know, it's a more, it's an easier process. And it'll save you guys a lot of time to do new business, instead of being staggered with old things. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for the comment. No problem. Thank you again. Thanks. Next hand up, Ben W. Go ahead. Hello. Thanks for taking my comment. This is Ben Wilcox from Off-Peace Farm, and I've been meaning to make a comment for a while. I just haven't gotten to a meeting. And it's about the cutoff date of May 1st for artificial, for supplemental lighting to be used for sungrown cultivars. I think that's a little too early in this year, and a lot of strains that if you don't give them a little extra light early in the morning or in the evening after sunset at that time of year, we'll go into flower. And yeah, I don't know. I think it's a little too early. Should be pushed back to June 1st or sometime in June. That's it. Thank you. Thanks, Ben. That's all the hands I see at the moment from the virtual meeting. Okay. And if you join by phone, you can hit star six to unmute yourself. So we'll just give it a second there. Last call. Okay. I'll close the public comment window. Thank you to everyone who commented and who sat through the whole meeting. I think there's a lot of great suggestions that I heard. To Eli's point, the legislative process point, right now there's four cannabis bills that are floating out there. One of them just happens to be primarily the things that the CCB asked for. And other bills are getting kind of pushed into it when there's consensus. So really it takes kind of some advocacy on the ground to really push that consensus amongst your representatives and your senators. But I think, you know, Ben's point, we can certainly look at that when we reopen our rules. I think that is in rule right now at May 1st deadline. And I think that we have some information we're putting together on the propagation license. I think that's one of our upcoming last meeting. We touched on it briefly for an update on it. I think it says before July 1st. And I know we'll have it up and running before July 1st. Right. I think one of the topic of one are upcoming networking events. So there is more information coming up. No, notwithstanding Eli's comments about no matter what government does, it's capitalism, which is a fair perspective to never no matter if it's cannabis or not. To Dave's point about unused canopy, you know, these bills are far from across the finish line, but there is language in 612 about the board's ability to kind of look at canopy that's not being utilized and proposed taking back or re-tearing somebody based off of unused canopy. So that's not a perfect circle or a perfect way to go about, you know, that potential issue if it does come to the forefront over the next couple of months, years, but it's another tool that we could have to kind of make sure that because it messes up our data on the back end to kind of understand who's how much is being used and how much isn't. So 612 is on the notice calendar right for the House or did they already vote on it? I think they voted on it third reading today. Okay. Yeah, I got a notice. Okay. So I think that's on its way to the Senate. Okay. Any other comments from anyone? All right. And I will adjourn the meeting. Thanks, everyone.