 We guide every aspect of service delivery in the public service. And the key one, the most important one is to understand that you are there courtesy of the mana enci, that office that you occupy in the public service is for you to deliver services to the mana enci. You hold it in trust of the mana enci. So, that's why the constitution provided for those values of the public service in article 234 and then parliament went ahead and enacted an act to operationalize that particular article. So we have an act on values and principles of the public service and then we have the constitutional provisions of the same. And now this public service office, let me just phrase it that way, the particular office that they hold has a mandate and it is because of the people, the monainchi that they sit in that office. How should they be able to promote these values as they interact with the common man when that person knocks at their door to come and seek assistance in one way or the other, of course in regard to that particular office that they hold? What should this particular public officer, public service servant understand that I also have a role to play in this particular office that I hold even as I attend to this particular individual who is sitting in front of me wanting my attention? You know, all of us occupy different offices and deliver different services to the public. The first and foremost thing, the realization that a public servant should have is that when a citizen walks into that office, you must realize and it must be at the back of your mind that you were seated where you were seated in trust. This guy that is walking to your office has trusted you with that position that you hold in the public service. You must be responsive, you must show that you are there to deliver a service that is required by this person. It is not umekuja kufanyanini kufiangu, amatoka kufiangu, you know that kind of… No, na nisumbuwa am busy. Na nisumbuwa am busy. All you walk into an office and what you find is my coat, not myself. The coat will not provide you with any service. So you must be responsive. The public servant must realize that the office that they are holding is untrust. And if you all realize that, then it will be different. Starting from everybody across the board, it is an issue that it is not just for certain offices, it is for everybody that is in our position that is a public position. And this is why it is important for us to have positive and constant interactions with our public servants. So that when you visit them, you know, get to understand their roles and get to know also your place in affecting or helping them in establishing their duties. Because even though the public servant was put there by the monanchi, a monanchi also have a role to play in ensuring that their work is also implemented. And there we go back to the constitution. The constitution says that these values bind every citizen. It is stated there, state officers, public officers, everybody. But at the conclusion of that provision, it says everybody in society has a role to play. Those values do not just bind me or you, they also bind the citizen in the street. The citizen has conduct himself in a manner that realizes that he is also bound by the values that he gave ourselves in article 10 of the constitution. Of the constitution. Yes. And that is why you should not say that you don't have a role to play. You do have a role to play. The values are not for public servants. The values are for all of us across the board. Let's look at the national values and principles of governance. We will talk about principles of governance just in a nutshell by definition. What exactly are we looking at? Are we talking about here? We are talking about expectations in terms of governance of what the citizen expects from government. There are principles that the state or government has to abide by in terms of how they relate to the citizen. That's in a nutshell what it is. We are talking about accountability. We are talking about transparency. All these things that we expect. Manaji expects that the government will deliver services. The government will conduct itself in an accountable way and in an open manner. So that particular relationship is not just a relationship that is one way. We live by the values and we expect this kind of content from the people that are responsible. In terms of delivery now. How do we now fuse them together? We fuse principles of governance and national values together to make one good meal. It is indeed one good meal. If you look at the 17 values that we have in the constitution, we are just to focus as a country or as a society. We are just to focus on living and practicing the 17 values. Then you will not even need to look at any other part of that constitution I can assure you. We will live in peace forever thereafter. In a way one value has an effect on another article of the constitution. Exactly every way that we need to contact ourselves as a people or as a country is provided for in the 17 values. If we are to exercise those values, we will be okay. Just to mention, as I said earlier, we did not just wake up and decide that we will put transparency and accountability in the article 10. We will put rule of law, patriotism, national unity and all this. If you look at these values that we have been discussing, divindwa values, family values, communal values, religious values, institutional values, then you can clearly see where we got the values from. If we can call those particular values as the sources of national values, we will not be wrong. We looked at a complete set of values that exist within society, within institutions, within the family and all that, and then we gave ourselves the values that we found in article 10. So they are not strange. It is only now that they are in the constitution as national values and principles. Wow, wow, wow, interesting, interesting. As you continue to give us your thoughts to cast with this, the hashtag is wide the morning at Ram Magukwa and at Y254 channel. I shall read a few, tell us where you are watching us from. We will be able to sample your feedback a bit later on. But now, let's look at, because we've talked about national values. Are there international values, universal values? Yeah, there are international values. There are ways that the international community or the global community, and we keep saying that the world has become a global village. There are international or global ways that are acceptable, have over time become acceptable that nation states or countries should conduct themselves in a certain manner. And those are the ones that we can call international or global values or universal values if you call it. If you look at certain provisions that have come from conventions, that have come from decisions by international bodies like the UN that guide the contact of governments or contact of states, then we therefore we can call those the international values. Or we can call acceptable ways of conducting ourselves as human beings. We can also call those the universal values. And this means that one state and another state, every state has a role to play in regards to how they relate with each other in terms of international relations and promoting the different countries regardless of whether they are third world or not. How big is it? Because now we know that every state belongs to a particular block or a particular institution, we have the UN and many others. In terms of the international sector, in the international scene, what role does Kenya as a country have to play in promoting the international values between itself and another? We are part of the global community. So there is no way that what is happening out there will not affect us. And as a country, even as we gave ourselves these national values, we were keen to project a certain image. We are not just a country that exists and cannot be defined in any particular manner. We are a country that wants to be defined as a country that has citizens who are patriotic, guided by the rule of law, govern in a transparent and accountable manner, promote or seek to develop in a sustainable manner. So all the values that we have are supposed to project a certain image for this country internationally. And on the other way, from out there, we have those guidelines, we have those conventions, we have those decisions that have been made by international organizations and others that countries subscribe to. And therefore we also need to live by what we subscribe to at the international level. And just to mention, if you look at just across the board, you realize that values affect the way we relate even out there. It is not just inside there, inside here. If you hear the international organizations that deal with corruption, international organizations that deal with the rule of law accusing a country, country A or country B, not following those particular expectations that are there in those particular areas, then of course you know that there is a problem inside as relates to national values. I'm looking at still as a country as we're looking into vision 2030. We have that particular vision. And I'm looking into how far we are in achieving social, economic and political transformation of this particular vision, changing the outlook of the nation, of course considering vision 2030. How far are we now in implementing national values in this particular spectrum? If you look at the vision 2030, the vision itself, normally it's depicted in the form of a house that looks like this with the pillars, the political pillar, the social pillar, the economic pillar. At the base of that house, the foundation is national values. And therefore it means that the pillars of the vision cannot stand if the values are not there. And therefore national values and principles of governance are a key, very key aspect of the vision. And that is why we are engaging public institutions, ministries, state departments, departments, parastatos, sagas, public institutions, all of them. We are engaging them to make sure that the national values and principles of governance are mainstreamed in their programs, projects and activities. To make sure that every project that is delivered has a bearing on national values and principles of governance or must take into consideration the national values and principles of governance. So that engagement is ongoing. As you know, the vision is, we're looking at 2030, but a lot of work has gone into that. Where we are with the vision, probably that's not my area to speak to, but where we are in terms of mainstreaming national values and principles of governance into the activities leading to the realization of the vision, I can tell you we've made a lot of progress. Every time that we are preparing the annual president's report on national values and principles of governance, we engage practically all institutions in government and they tell us exactly what they have done to mainstream national values and principles of governance in their respective programs, development programs, activities and their day-to-day operations. And all institutions participate in it. Yes, yes. So the national values and principles of governance and the vision are intertwined. They are closely, they are very connected. We remove the national values, then the vision comes down. Everything crumbles. Has the pandemic affected the progress? As far as our programs are concerned, the only program that I will say has been affected adversely is the youth programs, the youth and FBOs programs that we have at the counties because we are not able to meet them, we are not able to engage them one-on-one and as you realize from this discussion there are so many questions that arise all the time that relate to national values. But as far as engaging public institutions, I think we are one of the first government institutions to go virtual and we have done very well. At one point when we were launching the preparation of the 2020 annual presence report, we were hosting virtually more than 400 senior public servants. That's a big achievement. Listening to us. And it was. The virtual way of doing things works. The problem is that we cannot conduct this interview probably as effectively as we are doing virtually. But not much effect on what we do as a director. And as a director so far you cannot say that all is lost. Actually we have taken positive steps and things are well in line with their vision. All is not. There is nothing lost. We are on course. As far as the mainstreaming of national values and principles of governance are concerned, we are on course. The level of awareness that we have now relating to national values and principles of governance is fairly high. Just to mention in 2015 we commissioned Kipra, the Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research which basically does surveys and research for government. We commissioned them. We worked together with them to find out to have a feel of the status in terms of compliance, awareness of national values both in public institutions and also in Amani citizens. And it is out of the results of that survey that we got recommendations on what to do. We are not just working in the dark. We are doing things fairly scientifically. We conducted a baseline survey that told us where we are in 2015 in terms of awareness and compliance with national values. Recommendations were made by the survey. We are due for another survey this year so that now we see the work that we have done since 2015. What has been there? This year around which month? It's in the works. We are at the planning stage. You are able to find out some loopholes and some strengths and some weaknesses. That survey just to mention recommended extensive awareness campaigns which we have been conducting. It recommended sensitizations and training in public institutions. It recommended also the wider distribution of the annual report on national values and principles of governance. It recommended a more intensive engagement with stakeholders. The stakeholders include the media and that is part of why we are speaking here today. That's all we are here today. You are working on those things. We are implementing those recommendations. Good work. Let's bring this conversation to a close here because in the end you are saying that we need to go to people on the ground, machinani, in ensuring these things are done. What would be your final word to the youth that are watching you today this morning as you wrap this conversation up? That is your camera. You can speak to them. To the youth of this country, I would like to say that all is not lost. I think sometimes when you find yourselves in certain situations that are not very favorable to you, then desperation starts creeping in. Our appeal is that we can change this country by observing and practicing the national values and principles of governance that are in Atikuten. They may be too abstract as the way they are in Atikuten, but it is our effort and government effort to make sure that these values make sense to you as a citizen, particularly as youth in this country. If you are to practice these national values, then a lot of things that are going wrong will be able to correct them and will be able to call those who are doing wrong things to account. Wonderful. Thank you very much, sir, for joining me and for finding time to come here. It's a pleasure. Thank you, Ram. Just before I close, it is our wish that we can continue this conversation. I think it's an important conversation, particularly going to a TV station dedicated to the youth. The interaction will make a lot of sense to the youth in this country, I hope. We need to have this conversation, by the way, because you mentioned something there that is enshrined in the constitution. I'm looking as to whether it is also having any solution on the ground for you. Are you seeing that we have this thing in the constitution that is working? Many are saying that we have the policies, but the implementation is a problem. So is that an issue? We need to have this particular conversation more on constitutional reforms and the constitutional implementation and sticking to the rule of law and also maintaining these national values. Thank you for coming. I appreciate it. Sofa, you've done a good job. Let me just take a look at what people are saying online. Thank you very much to Louise Moley. I'm looking at Masai Okoiti. Thank you so much for tuning in. This is Anul and I'm watching you from Kasarani. I'm looking at Roslyn Okay and I'm having an interesting conversation with Mahesh past my regards. I love the passion that he has in promoting national values. Thank you very much. Let me just read one more. Let me refresh that. I'm looking at this is Ladasha. Following the conversation from Makuyu. Thank you so much Ladasha. This is Mary. Thank you for bringing Mahesh. I never knew we had this kind of institution that exists at least till they have learned something new. We appreciate it. Thank you so much. I was with Josiah Musili who is the secretary at the directorate of national cohesion and values from the Ministry of Interior and coordination of national government. This has been a very interesting conversation right here on Why In The Morning. Remember to keep the conversation going. The hashtag is Why In The Morning Thank you very much for joining me. Thank you for sticking to Y254. Thank you for making this program what it is on behalf of the directors, the producers and everyone who ensured this show was a success and big thanks to the directorate. I want to say God bless you and may God bless the work of your hands. My name is Ram Maguko. Good morning. This is Why In The Morning.