 The final item of business today is a member's business debate on motion number 14715 in the name of Bob Dorris on commending the employees of city building and RSPI. This debate will be concluded without any questions being put and I would be grateful for those members who wish to speak in the debate. Could please press the request to speak buttons now. I call on James Dornan to open the debate on behalf of Bob Dorris, please. Thank you, Presiding Officer. As you quite rightly said, this debate is in the name of Bob Dorris, but Bob is unfortunately unable to be here due to a family bereavement. I'm sure all our thoughts are with Bob and his family. Recently, along with my colleagues Bill Kidd and Bob Dorris, I had the pleasure of meeting with a joint trade union group to discuss their concerns about the future of city building and RSPI. I welcome to the gallery those trade union officials that we met and others, Ronnie Reagan, Frank Wallace from UCAT, Dave King from Unite, James Bradley Unison, Stephen McGurk and Robert Mooney from Community and others. I thank them for their attendance. Before I turn to their considerable concerns that were discussed that day, I wanted to draw members' attention to the success that the workforce has created since RSPI was brought under the ages of city building. Prior to 2007, RSPI was the responsibility of Glasgow City Council's social work department. Many of us will remember the Royal Strathclyde blind craft industries as an organisation dedicated to making a difference in the community with its roots as a supported facility for the visually impaired and ethos that continues to this day. Even with a motivated and dedicated workforce, RSPI was making a loss of £2 million and a £4 million turnover. That was mainly due to four factors—no clear business plan, no changeable business strategy and nebulous marketing strategy that was totally unconnected from an incariant sales plan and products that were being made that ultimately gathered dust due to low sales. The only outcome was an expanding inventory that was going on sold. Let's compare that to the current position. RSPI contributes £5 million a year into the city coffers that is included in the Scottish Government framework for supported businesses. The business combines commercial success with socially inclusive policies, 50 per cent of the 260 employees have disabilities, other employees come from closed-re-employed sites and those with unarmed forces background too. Six positions are ring-fence for returning disabled-ex-servicemen and women, and with 400 apprentices it is the largest employer of apprenticeship in Scotland. I want to draw attention to an article about a young lady, because one of the other things that she does in terms of apprenticeships is that out of the 2,200 employees, 98 are female apprentices. In March this year, she had an article in the evening times that discussed that, and she mentioned Tracy Jefferson from Battlefield to studying for an HNC in construction management. Tracy clearly is a constituent of mine. I want to congratulate her and wish her well in the future with the company. The Scottish Government also recognises RSPI as one of Scotland's most successful factories, measured against three criteria—turnover, employment and diversity of work undertaken. It has a range of contracts from across the UK, including Aberdein and Cambridge universities, a number of local authorities and housing, providing clients with the largest range of products in the organisation's history. Those of us who visited RSPI at Springburn were struck by the calibre and professionalism of the workforce. The business adheres to a socially responsible model while being aware of the need for clear commercial objectives. Everyone who spoke to it had the same aims. They all want to grow their business to continue to provide sustainable employment for some of the most vulnerable in our communities. The social inclusive ethos manifests itself through the social enterprise model, not only providing employment for those with disabilities but by providing vocational training to schools, offering 35 school pupils from ASL schools, training in furniture manufacturing every week during term time while ring-fencing job opportunities. It is not only schools that the RSPI is engaged with. They collaborate with a myriad number of community organisations across the city, giving opportunities to disabled adults. It is not unreasonable to ask why the workforce is having to endure so much anxiety when you look at the commercial and social success that it has made of RSPI. There has been talk of a possible joint venture between city building and RSPI with Glasgow Housing Association. That proposal brings both opportunities and concerns and the leadership of Glasgow City Council, who play a pivotal role in the situation, has yet to be forthcoming with answers to a number of questions that RSPI and city building employees have. Some of those unanswered questions include the suggestion that a third of the city building workforce, which is 600 to 900 people, will transfer to GHA's parent organisation, the weekly group's repair and maintenance team. The major concerns over full-to-pay obligations has been no clarification as to how the process will be managed or indeed by whom. There is a fear that there could be a significant impact on the skills profile of the remaining staff, potentially reducing city buildings' ability to maintain a diverse range of profitable services, possibly compromising organisations' future resilience. The flexibility of the workforce could be undermined possibly leading to a detrimental impact on training, providing the quality apprenticeship programme that is currently operating with a guarantee 12-month minimum job and qualifying. There are also unanswered concerns about the potential for competition between city building and GHA for future maintenance and repair contracts with housing associations. There are also risks to a city building's cash flow. Repairs and maintenance contracts are lucrative and they generally have quick turnaround time. There are a number of unanswered questions related to the supply chain that city building uses. Would there be job losses throughout the supply chain for the loss of money? What impact would that have on apprenticeships and other training programmes? City buildings have contributed £50 million to the city since 2006, and it has been suggested that city building is unprofitable and operates at a loss. What are the remainder of city building that will all be transferred? Should it be sold? Eventually, when the Labour Administration in Glasgow established allios, the SNP group in Glasgow City Council opposed it from the start. I was there and nobody was more vocal than me. However, the one allio I thought could have a case made for it was city building, and I think that time has proven me right. If the Administration eventually goes ahead with this decision, I believe that it could be a short-sighted one, given the financial contribution that city building gives to Glasgow. That would be a huge slap in the face to a dedicated workforce and the trade unions. Let me be very clear here that I am not attacking GHA or the Labour Administration, but I want to make an appeal to them. The workforce deserves answers to address their concerns. The staff in the union officials that we met made this clear. They are willing to discuss those or any proposals and work their way through them to make any transition an easy process for staff and to allow them time to recalibrate their business plan, ensuring that the social and ethical ethos that they currently practice can continue to provide more jobs and opportunities for many vulnerable people in our communities. They simply have a genuine concern for the staff and the citizens of Glasgow. Can the Labour Administration please open up a constructive discussion with city building and RSBI and facilitate discussions between GHA and city building? I commend the staff and the unions for their professionalism, their civic pride and their socially responsible ethos. Their achievements and their beliefs deserve our wholehearted congratulations and our support for the future and the support of Glasgow City Council. We now turn to the open debate speeches of four minutes please. Patricia Ferguson to be followed by Bill Kidd. I offer my condolences to Bob Dorris at this sad time. He and his family are obviously in our thoughts and prayers. I am very pleased to have the opportunity to participate in this important debate. I congratulate Bob Dorris for securing parliamentary time so that members can acknowledge the tremendous contribution that is made by the employees of city building and Royal Strathclyde blind craft industries to Glasgow. I also congratulate James Dornan for stepping in this evening. I welcome the joint trade union committee members to the gallery and thank them for the helpful briefing that they have provided to members. I am especially pleased to be discussing the issue tonight as the organisation's headquarters is located within my Mary Hill and Springburn constituency. City building was set up in 2006 as a wholly owned subsidiary of Glasgow City Council and it currently employs around 2,250 workers across the city. That does not include the 260 staff employed at RSBI, half of whom are people with a disability. The organisation also supports staff employed through the construction apprentice programme and that provides 80 apprenticeship places in each year of a four-year course, working in partnership with colleges across the city to ensure that those apprentices receive the best, most up-to-date training possible. The record of city building is that of a successful dynamic organisation that, since its establishment in 2006, has won over £1 billion of contracts in open competition against stiff opposition from rival firms. That is a record of which we should all be justifiably proud and, as the constituency MSP, I know I am. The Commonwealth games village, new houses at Mary Hill locks and the work that they have done as part of the council's four hours project, refurbishing the city's primary school estate, are just part of the success story that is city building. Built, of course, upon the commitment, dedication and energy of a workforce ready to meet the challenges thrown up by an increasingly problematic economic landscape. RSVI, as we have heard, is a particularly important component of this model organisation. It provides a supported manufacturing facility, making a wide range of products, including office furniture, beds, kitchens and windows, and is one of the UK's leading examples of successful social enterprise, skillfully combining commercial success with socially responsible practices. The importance of RSVI has been highlighted by the previous UK coalition Government's vindictive, unreasonable and, quite frankly, heartless closure of the Remploy factory, which was RSVI's next-door neighbour, ironically enough. I am confident that city building and RSVI will continue to prosper, despite the difficult economic situation that the city council faces, but the company does not stand still. Across the business, reviews of processes to identify alternative work streams, materials, products and vehicles continues. Such an approach is essential to the future success of the organisation. It is that dynamism that gives great hope for the continued progress of a company so vital to the future of Glasgow and thousands of Glaswegians. Recently, the executive director of city building, Dr Graham Patterson, wrote to workers, and in his letter he stated that he wanted to, and I quote, assure you that the council remains not only committed to the long-term future of city building, but to working with the management and board to safeguard jobs, the terms and conditions of employees and, more generally, the best interests of the city—a position that I certainly support. I understand that the cabinet secretary, Keith Brown, will visit city building tomorrow, and I am sorry that I will not be able to be there to greet him as I will be here in Parliament. However, I sincerely hope that he will take with him information about ways in which the Scottish Government can utilise those skills and talents that city building staff undoubtedly have, and that he will discuss with the management and the workers ways in which city building can be assisted to bid for Scottish Government contracts and not just those that are generated by the city council and GHA. That would be a very helpful contribution to the successful future of city building, something that I am sure we all want to see. I thank Bill Kidd to be followed by Mardo Fraser. Thank you, Presiding Officer. I also take the time to send my condolences and best wishes to Bob Dorris. He is a good friend, and I am sure that everyone wishes him and his family well at this difficult time. I also join James and Patricia in welcoming the joint trade union group who are sitting in the gallery with us today. When city building was first mooted as an allio in arms length external organisation, I have to say that I was against the move, seeing it as I did at the time as a weakening of the democratic accountability of council services and a potential danger to the employment rights of the workforce. While I was wrong to worry, city building, working in close partnership with RSBI, has been an unalloyed success story, and I am grateful that it has come about. It is an employer of around 400 apprentices, as James said, 98 of whom are female, firmly committed to equality for disabled people and open and encouraging to armed forces veterans. It is an organisation that contributes £5 million each financial year to the coffers of Glasgow City Council, which, of course, at a difficult time financially is very welcome. That is a £50 million net gain since 2007. If city building went on Dragon's Den, Duncan Bannatine and Deborah Meaden would be battling each other to go into partnership with this management and workforce. That is an example of what the new Scotland should be. It is highly skilled, equality to the four and financially successful. Speaking of equalities, I have to say that, in common with all of my MSP colleagues, I have been privileged over the years to attend hundreds of disability events. Unfortunately, while doing so, I have met so many disabled people who are desperate for real job satisfaction and a living wage but instead find themselves with enough certificates of competence to paper their living rooms. At RSBI, the jobs are real and the skills levels are top class. It would be a disaster to threaten the future of those workers of all ages by any potential breaking up of their working link with their colleagues in city building. That assuredly would be what would happen if 900 of the 2,200 jobs were to be hived off to the GHA or any other possible employer, no matter the GHA's qualities. We have all heard about selling off the family silver. It is crass and stupid to even think of doing that, but that is exactly what Glasgow City Council would be doing if they continued down this path. Therefore, I urge GCC to think again, to enter into constructive talks with the employee reps at city building and RSBI, and I look to addressing the challenges of the future together. Many thanks. Before we move on, I remind members to try and use full names, because it assists the official report but also assists those who may be watching proceedings. I thank the opportunity to make a short contribution to this debate. Can I congratulate Bob Doris on securing the debate and join with others in sending condolences to him and his family at this time? I realise that, while conducting some research for the debate tonight, that the future of city building and RSBI was something of a hot potato. In fact, I think that we have already heard during the course of this debate that it is already becoming a political football between Labour and SNP in the city of Glasgow. I do not represent Glasgow and have no detailed knowledge of these matters, and what I think I would rather do in the course of my contribution is concentrate on some of the positives around social enterprises and issues around improving employability, particularly for those with disabilities, which is something that city building and RSBI do have a track record on. I think that we could all agree that returning profits while providing a positive environment for employees should be the core of any successful business. In Parliament we rightfully praised co-operatives and social enterprises for their commitment to giving something back. City building and RSBI are good examples of businesses that have created a model that upholds core social enterprise values while also returning benefits to Glasgow City Council. As we have heard in this debate, they have delivered high-quality work on high-profile contracts in recent years. In addition to their work in providing furniture for the recently held world gymnastics championships, as has been mentioned in the motion, RSBI also produced goods for the Commonwealth Games, and city building helped to renovate the Games HQ at the Tontine building. So their role in supporting the most successful games on record cannot be underestimated. One of the core elements of the RSBI model is their commitment to providing meaningful employment for disabled people. At present, around 50 per cent of RSBI employees are registered disabled. We know that being in employment has tremendous restorative qualities, and studies have shown that productive work ffosters feelings of pride and self-worth. The current UK Government has been determined to return as many long-term unemployed back to work as possible. Last year, 140,000 disabled people found a route into employment, with many making use of the Government's £108 million access to work scheme. Despite that progress, there is not a lot of work still to be done. Only around half of all disabled people are in work compared to 80 per cent of non-disabled people. I hear what the member has to say about disabled people not being able to access employment, but I can tell the member that disabled people in my constituency have found it so much harder since their employee building on the same industrial estate as RSBI was closed down by his Government. Something that I very much regret, does he? The member will be aware that we have debated the issues in the chamber on many occasions. She will be aware of the SACE review, and she will be aware of the recommendations that were made in that particular report about the type of employment provided by our employee. We could spend the rest of the evening going over those issues again, and we will have a different view on them. I would rather concentrate on the positives and on some of the good work that is being done in giving disabled people the opportunity to make a contribution to society. I would like to mention two double-tail enterprises that I represent in Dundee, which recently won the Courier Business Awards for their social impact in the Tayside region, and in Dalgettie Bay, the 45 employees of Matrix 5, of which half are disabled, producing furniture and soft furnishing. There are good-supported businesses working well across the country, just as in Glasgow we see city building an RSBI leading the way, ensuring that a large business can support its employees and, at the same time, deliver benefits to the taxpayer. I like others to convey my sincere condolences to Bob Doris and his family during this difficult period for them. I also welcome the joint trade union council members to the chamber this evening, and I absolutely and clarify the point to Murdo Fraser, who is not well informed in this issue, Presiding Officer, that we have not informed in taking this up-missure forward as a political football. That is to the credit of the members' leverage to the joint trade union council that the fact that this has not been turned into a political football. I do not think that that would benefit the employees in any way whatsoever if that was the way in which this issue was to be taken forward. I would, in a constructive manner in the way in which many of the other contributions have been taken forward, amplify a number of the points that have been made in Bob Doris's motion. That is firstly to recognise in the credit to city building the fact that it has provided nearly £50 million worth of profits over the past 10 years since its inception, and recognise that this has been as a result of a partnership between workforce management and those elected to Glasgow City Council. I am very well aware of the history of city building. I was elected as a council to Glasgow City Council in December 16, 1993. The anniversary is coming very shortly. I would like to remember it well, but it is so long ago. The very first meeting that I have attended was with the direct works department who advised me in the presentation of the apprenticeship programme that it had in place. It was a very effective one because what it recognised was that it had to target the private areas to ensure that everyone across Glasgow and beyond had that opportunity to access apprenticeships in Glasgow. I think that it is there to be recognised for the excellent work that has been carried out through that apprenticeship programme for many, many years, and the fact that during that, the workforce has adapted to ensure that the apprenticeship programmes are taken forward. I think that they are an example to other employers, particularly in the construction industry, who do not employ apprentices to the levels that they should and also do not take forward the social responsibility that they should have at the same time, so that they are to be commended for that approach that they have taken as well. I also, as I have said previously, the motion remains of the workforce and management in respect to the fact that they have adapted to the challenges that face them. In fact, to be able to achieve the success of £1 billion worth of tenders and open competition in tenders is something that is to be recognised as an achievement and the significant resources that will be required to take that forward as one that needs to be recognised at the same time. However, we also need to recognise, Presiding Officer, that to take forward such an initiative requires political support. That is why I am delighted that the Labour-led authority has encouraged that process along its way to take forward to the successes that have been brought forward by Glasgow City Council, has been very much against other authorities who have tried to do likewise and have done so unsuccessfully. The fact that there is a successful business model in place in Glasgow City Council pays recognition to the elected representatives who have made city building a priority for them in taking it forward. I can just say in conclusion and amplifying the point that Patricia Ferguson made, that city building has an excellent future. Of course, it faces challenges in respect of the tendering process for the GHA repairs contract, but I have absolutely no doubt, Presiding Officer, going from previous experiences as an elected representative for nearly 22 years, that the workforce of city building, the elected representatives of Glasgow and indeed the leadership of the GHA will ensure that everything is done as possible to ensure that the workforce is protected, that its conditions are protected, and that we can move on with a contract that will sustain the future of city building for many, many years to come. Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. I also thank my condolences in sympathy to Bob Doris and his family at this sad time. I also congratulate Bob Doris for securing this debate. You have read the actual motion, which is very comprehensive and covers many of the things that we have already spoken about. It explains in great detail the excellent work that was carried out by city building, and I also welcome the members here tonight in the gallery. Like my colleagues, I have also met GTUC, and it was very impressive when I spoke to them about the commitment and professionalism that was shown by them. I cannot reiterate that enough. I was really impressed by the business plan, the commitment to the workforce and what they have actually been doing at the moment. It would be a travesty and rather sad if it was to be split up. I also reiterate that Paul Martin has said that this has nothing to do with politics or political football. I hope to secure that city building stays together along with the blind craft. I also hope that the contracts from the Scottish Government or the Glasgow City Council are absolutely supportive of that as well. I mentioned the fact that I was impressed. I just want to give some of the issues that I thought when I was looking through the papers and speaking to the group before about how impressive what they did. I know that James Doran and others have mentioned it, but the apprenticeships have mentioned that. What I did like very much was encouraging women particularly into construction and following them through from that, because that is always something that has been in the back of our minds. We can encourage people to go into construction, particularly women in apprenticeships, but it is a fall-out rate. I was impressed by what they had to do about that. One of the great examples of social enterprise, and Murdo Fraser mentioned that, and I think that having social enterprise in such a scale is absolutely fantastic. We do lean to yours and we should be very proud of the fact that there is a great example of social enterprise. What has not been mentioned is that there was the European Award for Excellence this year, which is something that not many firm social enterprise can also win as well. One of the things that impressed me was the commitment to local charities. If I can be allowed to give an example of that, the local charities are Prince and Princess of Wales Hospice, where they committed £10,000, not just in monetary terms, but they committed a number of apprenticeships to help to decorate one of the shops—I think that it was in the Governing Shopping Centre—which to do with the brick-by-brick appeal for the £10,000, but also the fact that those apprenticeships decorated, painted and done up the shop ready for its launch for the new hospice shop. That says something but it is putting something back. I also want to mention, obviously, Blinkraft as well. I visited Blinkraft on a number of occasions and saw their workshops and saw, first hand, the absolute excellent products that they actually produced. I also visited the area down at the Burymielawair city building and had houses that were built like kicked houses. If I could have bought one, I would have taken it back to where I was and put it there. It is absolutely fantastic. The workmanship was wonderful, which was produced by Blinkraft. Everything was renewable. It was very fuel-provertise-wise. It was fantastic the fact of what they used there to make sure that it was very secure. I just thought that it was amazing. I would like to think that it would continue along those lines. Like others, this has nothing to do with a political football. This has to do with something that is a great social enterprise. It is very successful. Apprenticeships encourage people, but it works locally as well. I would like to make sure that it is able to stay together regardless of whatever happens. I was very sorry to hear of Bob Doris's loss of his mother. My thoughts are with him. I congratulate James Dornan for stepping into the breach today to raise this important topic. I am grateful to all members who have contributed to the debate. The city building will celebrate its 10th birthday in the new year. As other members have said, I think that it is appropriate for me as the minister responsible for supporting businesses to recognise the enormous contribution that this business has brought to the city and, indeed, to the country in training apprentices, in supporting people through the supply chain, as well as delivering revenue to the council over the period. City building is one of the top five modern apprenticeship employers with, I believe, over around 300 in current training and the largest in the construction industry. Those are very significant figures and enormous contributions to helping young people. As such, they have helped the Scottish Government to deliver over 101,000 new opportunities and to exceed our target for modern apprenticeship starts in each and every year in this parliamentary term. It is very easy for politicians to claim the credit for those things, but it is the people who are running businesses such as city building that should get the credit because they are delivering the results, not me. That is a terrific performance. As has just been said a moment ago by Sandra White, she is also helping in efforts to encourage more women to take up careers in construction, something that has been long overdue. I am starting to see more females taking on leadership roles in construction, and that is something where city building is again giving a lead. There has been some reference to reports of difficulties that the business is facing, and I have read just this evening some of the press reports of that. I do not really propose to go into that other than to say that I trust that they and the council will be able to overcome those difficulties. The employment rate for people with a disability is around half of that of the rest of the population. It is around 43 per cent, as opposed to 81 per cent. That means that, if you have a disability, you have only got 50 per cent of the chance of being in work compared with somebody without a disability. That is a shocking statistic. I think that we all agree that it cannot continue, but it cannot only continue if we collectively do something about it. Therefore, I am a supporter of Scotland's supported businesses, businesses as in the current definition that employ at least 50 per cent of their employees having a disability. They provide a very important part of the mix of support, which is absolutely crucial. The RSBI provides a vivid example of just how well that can be done. References have been made to the fact that Keith Brown is visiting the RSBI tomorrow when they are celebrating their 30th birthday. I wish them success for the next three decades, and employing 260 people at the RSBI, 50 per cent have a disability for the turnover of £25 million. The RSBI is an exemplar of a social enterprise that combines social responsible practices with commercial success. I am sure that the minister will agree that supported businesses are about giving people with disabilities a level playing field in which to operate and get an opportunity for work. A key part of that is the opportunity to get contracts. I wonder if the minister would look again at the EU directive that allows you to reserve contracts. At one point, Jim Mayer, a predecessor, agreed that each Government department should explore whether there was one contract within each department, the Scottish Government, that could get a contract that could be reserved. Perhaps, if not now, would you be willing to update us later on what I think would be a critical part of ensuring that there is on-going work for supported businesses across Scotland? Not only do I support that, but I am very much involved in trying to promote that in use of the article 19, as the mechanism is currently termed. I have been substantially involved in that work. We have debated the issue specifically in the past. We have a record of seeing public procurement using article 19 or, in some cases, ensuring that work goes to supported businesses simply through normal contractual processes without formally invoking article 19. In a sense, it does not matter what type of contract it is, as long as the outcomes are there, but I will come back to that, if I may, and I do entirely support Joanne Lamont's sentiments on end. Supportive businesses play a hugely valuable role, and they are, for some people with a disability, stepping stones into mainstream employment. In other words, it is not a cul-de-sac and end. For many, it is a start, a way in and an opportunity to get into work and then upskill and move on into other opportunities. It is important to make that point. The city building was established in 2006 from the building services department of the city council in training over 300 apprentices, and they make an enormous contribution to the economy, as many speakers have heard. I have had the pleasure of visiting the RSVI in October 2013 and April last year, and, indeed, I visited many of the supported businesses. The second visit was to support the award of commonwealth games-related contracts to supported businesses. The organisation committee awarded around £1 million of games-related contracts to supported businesses, and the RSVI received about two thirds of contracts to fit out the athlete's village for the commonwealth games. Recently, as I stated, it won contracts for a range of furniture for the world gymnastics at the Hydro, a new market of student accommodation with Winds and Aberdeen, Edinburgh Napier and Strathplag University, as well as Cambridge, which James Dornan mentioned. In addition, the house building programme supported from RSVI manufacturing via timber kits, kitchen, windows and doors has been undertaken for many housing associations. I also wanted to say that I am proud to chair the supported business advisory, a group known by the rather inelegant acronym SBAG, which focuses on how we can support our supported businesses to become more sustainable. I wanted to say that Leslie Quinn from the RSVI is a member of the group, a terrific character Leslie, a true force of nature, and an absolutely terrific member of the advisory group whose advice is invaluable to the work that we are doing in the field, as is Robert Mooney of the community trade union, the trade union convener at the RSVB. I do not think that I see Robert here, I would see his dug, but I do not think that he is here. I gather that he did have an accident not so long ago, quite a nasty one, so I do hope and send all our wishes that he will recover. Both are invaluable members of the group and provide a huge amount of experience and valuable advice to us. I am going on a little bit, but I do want to conclude by saying that, across the chamber, we want to see what more we can do for supported businesses in Scotland, both through public procurement and also using our influence in the private sector to persuade private sector companies to do even more. I know companies such as Standard Life, The Royal Bank, Johnson & Johnson are doing really great things and very exciting things, and maybe we can debate that on another occasion. We are anxious that supported businesses will be keen to know what will happen to the money that they receive from work choice when they are devolved in 2017. That is an extremely important matter. Obviously, we are determined to ensure that supported businesses will be able to continue, and I hope that we can come back to that as quickly as we possibly can once the finance secretary has had an opportunity to make his finance statement following George Osborne's statement last week. In conclusion, I think that we would all agree that people with a disability should be helped wherever possible to enter sustained and fulfilling work. The RSVBI filled that role, and city building provide another great example of offering employment and training opportunities. I conclude by thanking all members for taking part in the debate and commending the work that city building and the RSVBI are doing for their employees, for people with a disability, for young people, for women and for Scotland.