 hey guys we're doing something cool again jade and i are teaming up to do a review for supernatural season 15 episode 8 which was the mid-season finale which i didn't realize until a bunch of people told me afterwards and uh we're gonna be talking about the episode how the season has been so far as well as what might come next so jade i guess we'll start off with our first question like what are your thoughts on the season so far both good and bad well so far i actually really like the season and where we stand now after episode eight i think my only complaint would be that we're halfway through the season and the boys will be interacted with chuck like once through donatello but like i understand that fighting god's like a really big thing but i wish we got a little more action in regards to that but besides that i like the dynamic of the season and how it's not just sam and dean you know because when i heard that supernatural was ending i thought that the last season was going to be like hyper focused on them but you know now it's not so that's that's good the season's been more focused on finding a way to get well fight fighting a way to fight against god and i like the plot of the season so far and what they've done with it and i've personally enjoyed every episode that i've watched i'm been on like kind of a back and forth um the first episode was meh the second one was just really bad but i found out why i was right about saying that feeling that the first three episodes were rushed i found out why uh so supposedly the entire town of ladner like the the big street where they shot down as well as the residential neighborhood they didn't properly vet that neighborhood they were supposed to send out people with flyers and and questionnaires of asking hey are you guys okay with us shutting down this entire area so we could shoot here but supposedly the locations team on that totally screwed the pooch and they did not do that properly and they pissed off ladner like lad ladner doesn't like i i don't know if lenders got a filming ban right now but supernatural burnt a lot of bridges there and that's why the first three episodes felt so rushed which makes so much sense now yeah i agree i i mean retrospective to like the whole what we have now i think the first three episodes are kind of like oh yeah after the first three it started to get a little bit better um especially when catch died i was when he walked past them in the second episode like clearly he's outside of the barrier and then he walks in front of them he's like yeah i'm possessed it's like wait what he just he just broke the clear logic of this episode i i liked how um i i have been about some of the fan service returns but i've been okay with some of them like for instance i enjoyed amaro's very short three uh return even though it kind of demitigated the whole idea of these two cosmic entities by kind of coming together and like putting differences aside now they're just kind of like the bitter brother's sister which i was a little bit upset about but then um roina's return was really good and i what they do for character especially in the uh the mid-season finale i thought that was really well done some of the episodes have been cool i really like aline i like that aline came back that's my favorite episode so far is her coming back because it was actually my favorite yeah it was an actual grounded episode it was well written it didn't have crap strewn all over it which was interesting because i think if i'm correct the episode next like the seventh episode is the worst episode that's the one where it's just it's just a giant fan service to jensen's singing and his beer like that episode is completely pointless it literally has a no point to this entire season i i i would have to i gotta rewatch that episode um because it's i can't exactly remember everything that happened but i do remember dean singing nothing he was asleep doing them um well remember russian dude comes and was like who oh yeah okay yeah no i remember and sam found out what we already know like nothing was newly gained yeah we already knew that that god was weak so yeah no i agree with you last call i mean don't get me wrong i like seeing jensen sing and that was fun but it just didn't really make sense because like before in the show dean has been like awful at singing so like oh yeah because i just watched the uh i watched no exit from season two and that's where he's singing aria was speed wagging in the car and it's kind of it's funny um just to see him go from there i did think that speaking of jensen though he did direct his best episode though which was the fourth one the one with becky talk about turkey a character that no i agree that was really just hated and putting her in like one of the more important episodes of the season i thought that was pretty good they did a good job with how they bought back becky because like i've always been on the sense of where like i like having characters come back that we've lost as long as it has something to do with the plot or as long as there's something that is going to come from them being there and like with becky i just i like the way how they bought her back in order to kind of like have chuck had this little like writing spur if that you know so and it's good to see that becky isn't like no she she moved on right anymore so kind of talked about it actually we talked about both of them but we both said that our favorite episode is a lean coming back and like why did you like that uh what were the aspects of that episode that you enjoyed i really liked that episode because we were able to see cast hunt on his own while we got to see sam go into rowena's apartment and all that stuff and i always tend to like sam centric episodes more because it's sam but i liked having eileen come back because if anyone deserves a win like that it's definitely sam and i liked seeing sam use what he learned from rowena yeah too that was that was really cool and i liked seeing them just um i liked that they dedicated like a whole episode to having sam do this after rowena's death yeah because it felt necessary on top of having eileen back it just made it more necessary for him to go back to her apartment so it had cool elements i like the idea that rowena had like the hex that she had on that house i enjoyed yeah castiel's part i keep forgetting that i always find it interesting that castiel can always do better on his own than he can with the brothers it seems he just kind of gets downgraded when he's with them he kind of goes stupid but when he's by himself he's pretty darn good um yeah eileen just got so unceremoniously killed off in season 12 that i actually don't mind her return into this one um and their chemistry is really good the the chemistry between them is very good um the only part i didn't like was just the witches because there's that fight scene that just so bad it just because dean shoots one like the body falls they all look at dean and dean's like yeah i'm just waiting for you to take my gun but yeah i i like that one um now talking about our worst episode i i said that the the singing one is just totally pointless it's even worse than the complete kind of garbage fire that i felt was the second episode of the season what do you feel is like the weakest episode of this season so far well if i had to rate them i put episode two as the worst so bad yeah like i personally like i enjoyed the episode if you exclude rowena and catch being all gross and heteronormative but i i do believe like the premise of the first three episodes could have been done better and considering we only have 20 episodes this season i feel like the main idea of those three episodes could have been condensed into two well if not it could have been like drawn out i thought this was supposed to be the entire cut i thought this was the whole threat throughout the entire season and then they solve it by the third episode it's like oh that's dab solving his problems let me just die behind camera real quick i mean yeah i agree that it could have been drawn out longer and it could have been a lot more interesting too but considering they put it into three episodes i feel like they could have like trying to think like because we had you had god breaking open hell which was like the main thing of the first three episodes right but that's not like the main thing that the whole season you know yeah so like i don't know i mean i can agree to disagree with that if that makes sense because i i'm kind of in the middle about it so i'm rambling it's it was a threat it's like how they solve it technically isn't bad like they do a good job with it not good as a is a generous word they do a job with it um but i just felt that that this was supposed to be kind of the rising threat but then this happens and then they're fine and they kind of have like monster of the week episodes in between is like hey guys this is your last season you kind of need to build to this and just gonna kind of jump to jump a question here it's like you said like chuck has not been in this as much as you would think um to make a reference umara in season 11 she was prevalent she wasn't in every episode but she kept coming back here and there now admittedly we are getting a condensed season and chuck hasn't been in what one two he was in one four eight so he's been in three episodes which is you know i i guess a similar ish maybe maybe one more episode of him just but i'm not i've gotten over my absolute rage of the choice to making him the villain of this season i am just i'm i'm past it now like i'm still pissed about it but i'm just like you know what i'm just going to take it as it is and see what they do with it it hasn't been the complete nutter dumpster fire when with that mentality um it could be a little bit more honed especially after episode four i really liked episode four um what they did with him and someone made that comment too that sam has been seeing all the times that they could have died in previous seasons like all the times they could have failed like with dean and the mark are sam being addicted to demon blood i i like that i thought that so when someone mentioned that to me it's like oh that's actually kind of cool just to see like maybe this whole idea that they haven't been on a path that they have had free will this whole time and not this stupid that gods in behind everything like they still have they're still team free will that's my hope we can hope but i i do agree with you on the fact that they chose chuck to be the big bad at the end of season 14 was kind of like what let's cram it in the last fit 10 minutes yeah no if they were going to do that they should have at least built up to it and not just be like hey here's chuck fucking up the universe yeah exactly but like i know they did that with season 11 with amara like hey if you kill me the darkness appears wait what but they they recovered with season 11 but yeah i don't know i'm i'm still kind of on the fence about it but i'm not like a rage field machine anymore about it really no i get that um but i mean chuck is just a mess i mean man was sitting at the casino playing slots so i he's not really doing much right now oh yeah but next yeah next episode he's like kidnapping sam which i don't understand why your god you could have just like snapped your fingers yeah exactly come like okay that works yeah i know oh speak um well actually speaking of snapping fingers that brings me to michael who i actually thought they would totally screw up his return i thought that this was just gonna be a giant fan servicey thing but i actually like how they did the two like him talking to himself essentially i agree i think that that was actually the biggest surprise of for me this season not that he came back i had a feeling he would it's that they didn't screw it up yeah well they had already spoiled that michael and adam were coming back this season but i loved the way that they bought michael back and i couldn't have asked for them to do it any other way honestly the conversation with himself at the diner right no yeah i i liked how they showed adam being possessed by michael and showing them just coexist in one body because a lot of the times we don't really get to see that uh at most of the time when someone's possessed by like an archangel to talk to them we usually get like the whole mirror thing you know yeah like yeah well from like season five yeah yeah or like uh with michael and dean in uh season 14 yeah i'm not gonna remember that because that was so bad i did like how they even talked about that a little bit um and then castiel gave him all the memories of everything that's happened that was my favorite scene of that episode yeah i think jake abel's facial expressions alone just like sold me like he had me feeling like really bad for michael oh yeah no it was it was really well done i i think that every part with this character's return was well done except for one tiny tiny little thing that happened right at the end the cuffs yeah he's got the cuffs on yet he can open up a portal to purgatory so i actually back in season 13 lucifer wore those same cuffs yeah and he was able to smite angels while wearing the cuffs so either so what is the power of the cuffs then i have absolutely no clue because like i don't know if it just means those cuffs suck but i would raise more of the question like back at season six rafael and krally wanted to open up the door to purgatory and it took them a lot more effort than just snapping their fingers yeah exactly right that that's what irked me more than the cuffs oh just like the easiness of it well yeah like how did didn't dean he went back to purgatory at one point in season seven or eight no seven actually sam went to purgatory back in season eight episode 19 how did he get there a reaper uh it was the episode taxi driver in order to complete the second trial sam has to get bobby out of hell so he goes through purgatory oh okay wow i do not remember that i'm a season eight geek so oh yeah you just said and i guess so we can just talk about now the the mid-season finale what did you think of it i actually was i didn't know it was a mid-season finale i i uh because all like the supernatural's facebook page was like ah tonight's episode tonight's episode is like okay is it is it the mid-season finale then the next day they said oh yeah here's a clip from the mid from the mid-season finale like oh buds what i didn't know i thought you guys had at least one more week it's not even christmas yet i thought you would have like i thought it was going to be episode nine that was the break because i can't remember the last season's uh mid-season finale number so but i was a little bit i was a little bit like oh crap oop i feel like an idiot now but that's okay i did enjoy it i think it it's the only negative i have really in terms of story element was that random friend of eileen who if i'm correct is a character who's never been in the show before yeah no i've never seen her at least from what i can remember yeah and and all of a sudden she was like hey eileen i found you on after being dead for three years i got your cell phone too it's like what what what how does this woman have a cell phone oh wait she texts okay yeah she can text but still it was just so out of left field that it's like this is obviously something bad i didn't think it was going to be tough but i just hope i leave doesn't die again oh yeah i know that if they kill her off again like the point of bringing her back it would just be so pointless you know because i i that's one thing i hate is when they bring a character back and then kill them off like immediately you know yeah like with gabriel i would make that example uh i liked this episode a lot um especially everything with adam and michael and seeing rowena as the queen of hell because honestly she that was funny to she was like born to die to become the queen of hell it was so great no i i did enjoy that so did i um i think this episode left us off with a lot of unanswered questions like what's gonna happen the seminar lean and dean and cast are gonna come back are they gonna come back to purgatory in time and does the spell that michael even gave them work i i just i think this episode finally gave sam and dean somewhere to go regarding defeating chuck because they haven't really had much to work something towards the the overall narrative yeah yeah yeah no i i agree with you on that but i do agree with you with that i think the girl's name was susie i believe i how oh i'm just gonna call this dead girl it's been dead for three years yeah like that's totally not fishy like all right it was it was really weak like if they wanted to have any sort of connection like could have used the woman like she i lean worked at a hotel right that's how they introduced her in season 11 i found correct she worked at a hotel i believe that was haunted like you could have just brought the hotel manager back again completely out of left field for a reference but at least there's some sort of you know not a not a completely obvious ploy yeah maybe the actress wasn't available maybe or the actor whoever was the person who ran the hotel yeah but yeah i enjoyed the majority of the episode i like how they built up towards the overall narrative i liked michael's return and i like the character i'm kind of still on the fence of whether he actually helped them or not i'm also kind of curious if you'll come back or not um the chuck thing is still a little weak but they are going towards a means of defeating chuck are doing something because they can't kill him right that's been clearly stated over and over again i like how they also got rid of the the equalizer gun because dad realized he's like oh crap this is like a macguffin tool i can't use this but destroy it that was yeah i agree oh the part that i hate oh sorry sorry not the part that i hate but the part that i am very upset about is the fact that lilith came back and no idea where she came from but apparently if someone said like the empty yet even the empty said god has no power here he can't bring anyone back from here and yet lilith came back i would argue how much power but he's even injured right he even talked to amara like i can't do as much as like how is he able to do something that has been stated that he can't do while wounded well we've seen him bring castiel back before from the empty which i would say is a giant plot hole if you don't just like how is god able to do this yeah god doesn't have power in the empty yeah i know i'm still waiting for the empty to come back to yeah same i have a whole theory on how like god can like die without like destroying the universe but it could save that for later oh no i'm very interesting to see the idea of lilith is back kind of it it takes a bit of a doo-doo on my favorite season being season three because it's like i i hated this character like i i hated the villain like she was a good villain to hate and the fact that they just kind of willy nilly brought her back it's like no no you don't do that no i think there's certain characters that you just shouldn't bring back and i think lilith i i'm kind of in the middle because i liked seeing her being like played by a different character and seeing what she would be like you know seeing sam and dean now but at the same time it's like she's been dead since season four the only reason she died was to release lucifer from the cage so like her purpose was yeah like i just to destroy the gun like god could have just fucking done that himself exactly that's kind of my reason as to why her her revival is probably the like i thought kevin trans return was kind of the uh but the lilith one is so far been the most pointless revival because it just there's no point to bring her character back her character's arc was 100 done in season four like her purpose fulfill i agree yeah yeah like at least with kevin like it made some sense because he you know god lied to them and sent him the hell instead and now he's out that makes sense that's actually something we can roll with just lilith being popped out of the empty just yeah like kind of makes no sense you know if you wanted to bring anyone back look what's his name um he was the other angel that was with cast a on season four azazel i think he was no azazel was the demon that killed mary are you talking about there's a uriel uriel yeah he was uh i actually just finished the watchman the first season and he's in the last episode i was like holy shit it's him like you could have brought him back he was a radical angel like that would have been more of a like a more realistic revival of a character if anything but so now that we're uh we're so now we're 12 9 10 so like 11 episodes left well what do how do you what do use your theory so far if you have one of how this will end so i have a lot of theories that are kind of like all over the place but one that i'm gonna talk about in my new video for this episode is jack taking over god's role so um if so sam and dean and cast now have this spell that can trap god right previously we see that amara was trapped and then she escaped and then she wreaked havoc on the world right i don't think supernatural can really end with them trapping god because there's always going to be that possibility that he can escape right so they replace him i yeah so i think that somehow some way maybe with the help of amara they'll be able to kill they'll be able to kill god and because of that the universe needs that balance right as explained in season 11 so the only other person who i could think that would be able to fill the shoes of god would be jack considering he is way more powerful than all the other archangels you know because michael even didn't even know that there was other universes and jack came out of the womb knowing about like all of them yeah no yeah that's actually that's one of the better ones i've heard um i'm kind of on the fence as to whether this will actually end whether it'll be under good or bad but with that idea that does actually sound like a solid idea i mean it makes sense to me because like why wouldn't jack be back yet you know because billy said we got we got plans for you yeah yeah so billy was kind of in the same position as i would say jack would be if god died right in season 11 death died and then she became the new death so if god was to die and jack is still resting in the empty they could just pop him out and boom jack's gone yeah no that's just that's true i i guess i guess we'll see but yeah no honestly that's the best thought i've heard so far that's yeah but because i might get a chance i i don't know i might get a chance to work on the next like one episode or so one day on the next uh in the next year because i found i got a number for one of the guys who's the hireer so i might try and work one day just to see but like i honestly i don't know what they're gonna do but yeah that's the better thought i'm just kind of i just want to see how it ends like i just don't want to end badly i guess that's my yeah no i agree i don't want super natural to end badly because i mean i would probably be okay regardless of whether they live or die or i just wanted to have a solid ending that i'm not gonna like be screaming at my computer for after i watch it you know because i i'll be okay if they die i just want something that's satisfying a good conclusion yeah all right i'm interested to see if eric kripke actually comes back in a writer's perspective like i would love that i or better i mean i agree yeah no definitely well guys that's been our uh that's been jane and i's review of episode eight our thoughts on the season so far and what's gonna come some really cool points came up jade thank you again for doing this this is really really fun i'm looking forward to your episode reviews and then also just seeing what continues on like especially if you do your theory reviews our videos i would be very interested in those no yeah definitely i'll have a video up probably at the same time this posts for this episode so i talk a little more about the jack theory oh that's cool i'd definitely be interested in hearing that all right guys that's all from us i hope you enjoyed the video and i guess we'll see you guys next year well well we'll review in the episodes next year you won't see us physically next year but you know all right see you guys later bye thanks for watching the video my name is nits and you might remember me from the animated cult classic tv show undergrads it's been a while but i'm happy to say the click is finally getting back together in an all-new movie thanks to a successful kickstarter 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