 I love Tristan, do you know what I mean? I resent dishonest f***s. It's just all processed sh***. If they're all f***ing chemical, we're not beyond that. What are you the f*** bag of beans then, dude? That's some matrix sh***. They rescue those animals from... How does that feel? How's it going, brother? What's up, I'm the boss of Tristan. Alright, cool man. Interesting conversation. Do you agree with him? He doesn't care about animal cruelty if you eat him. Don't care about chickens. I like what him and Andrew stand for. In other regards, but in fact that he doesn't care about animals, he just puts a blind spot for farmed animals because he wants to eat them. I think that's pretty f***ed up. I've always wanted to have a debate with you, but the trouble is I care about animals, but I eat meat, so I don't. You care about animals and eat meat. You care about animals, you've got to align your... what you believe with what you do. It's such a tricky conversation because obviously my partner cares about animals as well, because it's called a burger. That's what it is, you're disconnected. If I had a cow here, I was about to shoot them in the head and cut their head off so you could have a burger, and you'd say, don't do it, I'll rather be vegan than do that. And that's just why I'm vegan. But besides feeling morally good with yourself about not eating meat, if I walk away from you right now and I'm like, I'm never eating meat again, it's not changing anything like that. Of course it has. So when you think of a sort of blind demand system, if you buy whatever the product is, that's the demand for that product. So you've simply cut off your demand for the animals that will be torturing slaughtered for you. So it's a big deal. But only on my scale. So don't eat the meat, it's already on the shelf in the packet. Obviously you can't stop everyone from eating meat right now, but if every individual had your attitude, nothing would ever change, right? And there's still a direct connection between the animals that are slaughtered and killed to you. If I don't buy it though, someone else will buy it. And that will lead to your demand. What I'm saying is what you're preaching makes sense on a mass scale. Vegan movement is a bunch of individuals on a mass scale. And you would be one of those individuals. I'm saying you make a difference for the animals slaughtered for you. Imagine if I said you can't stop all the dog cruelty in the world. Impossible. So what does my abuse of dogs matter? I'm going to abuse my dog at home tonight. I haven't got the right attitude to make change. And it's your personal accountability, bro. I'm sure your conscience holds you accountable for direct violence. Yeah, but not like minor. Disconnect, but you've got to make the connection. That's happening because of you. You pay for that. Did you used to eat meat? Yeah, how old are you? 24 today. Happy birthday. So I ate meat for 26 years. Really what, like McDonald's? What happened to make you? My life story is a bit... You watch a Tristan thing? I was in gangs and I was in drugs and I went to prison, got sober. I hated being a hypocrite and I saw the steak of my plate the same way that you see like a dog or a whale or something like that. I couldn't stand being a hypocrite. I wanted to make a difference and I decided to go vegan. It's one thing to go vegan, but what made you like f***ing take it to the max? So basically, imagine I'm going out in a neutral kind of position. So right now you're abusing animals and killing them through your choices. Being vegan means you remove your support for that. So you're neutral at that point. So what I do now is one step further, I try to help animals which is a positive position. It's like I'm doing something more. I'm stopping you and you and you and you through helping you make the connection to maximise my impact. And you can do that too. If you care enough. I f***ing love Tristan. Do you know what I mean? When I was watching it and he went I don't care about animals. I don't care about this topic at all. I've got friends that I don't agree with some things they do but they're still your friend. I think he deliberately has to not care because if he did care he knows he'd be a hypocrite. So what he does is he says I don't care about all animals in every case and I only care about humans because God created us. I would say a human is made in the image of God. That's what I would say and a pig is not made in the image of God. I love dogs but if you wanted to eat your dog I would not have a problem with you eating your dog. You didn't watch the discussion then? No, I did. I talked to him about that. Yes, I'd have a problem with you eating my dog but there are lots of people all over the world that eat dogs all the time. I'm not going to tell them not to and I don't care what they do with their dogs. I don't care what other people do, essentially. So there's a very dismissive kind of attitude about it. I've been to Hong Kong, talking about this. Do you eat dog sink cages? No, but I plan to do it. I don't see it as morally different to pigs in cages. It's a f***ing odd though eating a fish seems so insignificant but do you think that's cruel or not? Do you think a fish is feeling that? I'd feel it, yeah. So they're having their own experience and you might feel like it's insignificant compared to your experience, such as human, robust and you have all these different concepts in your mind and future and past and present. Now fish are not dumb animals. They're quite intelligent, they build their own communities, they communicate with it, they use tools. There's a book called What a Fish Knows Fish are. It's not the fact that they're smart, it's the fact that they're sentient. There's a difference, right? Sentient being like, attached to like, I don't know, I don't know what it is. So basically, like you see how you're experiencing the world, you've got vision, you've got thoughts, you've got this sensation of feeling. You know, this is all sentience. Consciousness. That's what has moral value, not intelligence. Which is like a logic and computer, f*** it like that. Human rights is a smart human, don't they? That's what human rights are, universal. So these animals are also sentient. Their experience matters to them, so they deserve rights as what? Do you believe they deserve rights? I suppose everyone does. Without rights, they're not protected. Yeah, true. I did see a pretty wild video the other day. A bunch of cows had been inside for like, six, seven months and they got let out into like a green field and like, literally looked like a human, like, you know, celebrating. So they experienced happiness, joy, sorrow and making and suffering and fear. Yeah, yeah, when I watched it, obviously, I felt emotion off that, so that makes me feel like you're not a horrible person, you know what I mean? So I watch it and I'm happy that they're happy, at the same time I eat f***ing birds. You're causing their misery and their killing and their suffering. I'm pretty sure of your Piers Morgan one. Didn't you say like, if you eat... I don't know, I don't know. Not consciously know, that's what I said. Everyone that drinks milk according to you is a murderer. No, not consciously, you don't know, but now you know what happens to animals in slaughterhouses so you can have milk in your coffee and what are you going to do about it? Because if you don't know, where is your duty to act, but those who know have a duty to act, you know. So now you're at war with your conscience. Yeah, do you resent people that he may or do you think he's that choice? I resent dishonest f***ers who try to justify it with lies. As cool and callous as Tristan Tate is, he's honest, he's not technically as hypocritical as other people because he has this standard across the board. It's the one to know how bad it is and lie and try to justify it with bulls*** saying grass fields, pain, don't you think? You know, all that crap, vegans are hypocrites or this s***, that's who I resent. But when someone like, you care, you know what's wrong and you just haven't made that change, that full connection yet, I don't resent those people because they're people that I only hope, they're animals only hope. I suppose you're saying you resent people that don't own like, you know what Tristan Tate he f***ing owns the facts, he doesn't give a s***. Which I think is a more honest approach than I think it's insane. I honestly think it's callous, it's cold. It is. But you are, I don't know man it feels like you're wrestling with this idea like you see animals happy and you feel it but it doesn't matter how you feel man. It's hard man, I always help an animal or like save an animal and not eat me. Have you seen a sanctuary before where they rescue pigs and chickens from there's one there where I live called race day I believe. Well they rescue those animals from from meat eaters because your demand is causing them to be in these places and to get slaughtered. They've been offered sanctuary from the choices of meat eaters. Yeah, yeah. How does that feel? It's just, it's the meat industry, billion pound industry. And they make up lies and try to say how veganism will kill you, it's unhealthy and vegans, they speak it's like an anti-vegan wave and it's coming from the industry. You think they like actually come propaganda 100% they do. There's actually people they pay. It's the matrix and you know and Tate's all going about the matrix and all that. Veganism is being purported and propagated by the matrix because they don't want you to eat meat they want you to eat vegetables they want you to eat soy. If you look at this display of the matrix then this, all you get to see is green grasses and pastures and humane happy labels and when you look behind the label this is what it is it's decoding the matrix, it's the matrix. It is not some like a pack of eggs and you see a chicken raising. Free range eggs here most of them are free range it's 55%. When you look at a free range farm it's just a factory farm dude. It's a big factory farm. The eggs still say free range. So that's not free range then. To the guidelines, yes. They have to have access to their outdoors but they don't get it because there's so many in this pecking order and they can't get out but they have to give them access so they just have to have windows there and they don't have to open them. And now with bird flu they don't let them out and they suffer and die on their faces just the same and they go to get slaughtered just the same. It's wise. It's good what you're doing anyway. Are you going to continue to make my job harder because if you don't go vegan I'm going to have to work twice as hard. Do you know what it is as well? I know a little bit about nutrition and stuff. You know like the carnival diet and how nutritious meat is. You know like on this, I don't know what it's called now but you know like Fakern and like the fake beef and the fake burgers. On the ingredients list it's got like it just don't... There's more words in an ingredient list than if you buy beef. It's just all processed. Well wait a second just because there's ingredients in a plant based burger that doesn't mean they're unhealthy because when you break down beef into its chemical components the ingredients list is actually bigger. Every food is made up of chemicals. So if you take a beyond burger it might have pea protein, isolate, sunflower oil, yadda yadda yadda it'll be a list like that. Beet root juice because they are making that plant based meat out of its components. That's why they put it on the label. Now beef has beef but if you broke it down to its chemical components the list is like massive. Shout out to a lifting vegan logic. Now what these carnival quacks try to do is say oh there's this one ingredient in this food and therefore the whole food is poisonous. They are unscientific there's no evidence to support a carnival diet in fact the only evidence is bad for the carnival diet and there's plenty of evidence to support a whole foods plant based diet. I've heard all this like you know red meats, carcinogen, red meat. That's a flip side to the coin though that they say that because they don't want you to actually eat it because it is neutral. What do you mean? All you see is meat advertisements so they didn't want you to eat it they would ban meat advertisements. Why don't they ban meat if they don't want you to eat it? Why has everyone always eaten meat all the propaganda is meat focus all the advertisements meat focus it's a much bigger industry than veganism is. In fact they want you eating meat. It's a much bigger industry there's a much more vested interest in meat, dairy and eggs it's in everything. It's a class 2 red meat It's a class 2 B unprocessed red meat. Processed meat is a class 1 carcinogen. That doesn't mean if you eat red meat you're going to get cancer. No. It means it's a probable cause of cancer. I'm not a health promoter I'm not here for your health. You can be healthy and plant based you can eat meat and also if you increase your fiber eat a lot of whole vegetables you can displace the negative components of meat. But not of saturated fat in the meat that's a heart disease risk but you can be reasonably healthy if you have a so I'm not here to say if you ate fish I'm not that kind of liar. What I'm saying is that fish are sentient beings cows are sentient beings they deserve respect you can be healthy and plant based if you supplement with B12 which is easy and how is it justified for a sandwich these are f***ing living beings imagine if we were doing this to people That's my argument and the people go with this all f***ing chemical eat a f***ing bag of beans then dude I don't know how the f*** is that justified anyway look it's cut in this f***ing head off for a lamb chop dude that's right how the f*** could you do that though yourself I couldn't actually do that the only time I can do something like kill is if I really had to but not an innocent being man not an innocent being I don't understand how someone could not you for trying to do a positive message but you know like I think it's amazing what you're doing I'll stop an animal from being directly abused I'm not going to stop eating meat but obviously you probably will present for that yeah I think what you're doing right I think you're deliberately I think you're not ignorant now I think you've got enough information to make the change what I think is you're being purposely cruel now well purposely deliberately careless towards beings that can't defend themselves from your choices right 10 years goes down the track that's a lot of blood man that's a lot of suffering, that's a lot of killing and you know sometimes you've got to stand for something man to be honest I'm quite like pushing Andrew Tate's agenda positive Tristan said it's got enough to do with being a man I'm not one of these guys who says oh you have to eat meat to be a man being a man is about living by your own convictions standing up and saying this is what I believe in being ready to challenge people in their beliefs being able to stand up say what you mean mean what you say that's what being a man is about standing up for what you believe in saying truly your principles that makes you a f***ing man defending your family if you need to defending your partner if you have to these things that make you a protector these things are innocent so it doesn't make us a man to abuse the innocent you've got a level disconnect but you're doing something horrible to them they can't defend themselves from you I'm indirectly so but if I pay my mate to come and bash your head in right now that's indirect but I f***ing know what's going to happen if I pay him what happens all the time and they get just as much sentence for a hit, for a conspiracy if I tell someone to bash you if I go hey mate go get that f***ing I'm just as much in trouble so you're just as much in trouble morally for the disconnect you're doing it I get what you're saying I think maybe this might sound really f***ing stupid and I might get saying it but maybe if there was like a bit more awareness on what's actually happening if I put human meat on that product you would not buy it in a second you'd be like f*** that if I put dog meat on that packet you would not buy it in a second why do you hate these animals so much think about what the word hate means it can mean anger but it can also mean prejudice I think it's just kind of like growing up with that's the norm isn't it it's how bad it's disconnect but now you wouldn't buy it would you because you don't eat dogs and why don't you eat dogs there's something about your dog what's your dog's name Nova and if I killed your dog you'd be upset and you'd probably want to kill me or something bad to happen to me because I've taken someone from you and what happens to Nova matters to Nova if I boot Nova it's not bad to boot them look at her as an individual if someone killed her or harmed her I'd happily sit in a cell these are all individuals here like Nova should you sit in a cell every time you pay for them to get what if I paid someone to kill Nova should I sit in a cell the excuse doesn't work really you have to either say look I know that I'm a f***ing cruel I don't care enough to f*** just buy something else walk five minutes to buy something else have you ever eaten meat before? yes he has I used to be a massive meat eater I was also a violent gang member I was eating steaks and I was disconnected but if I seen someone like my mate showed me a hunting video once and I was like why are you showing me that f***ing poor bro and I was eating meat eater then but I was like do you think I think that's f***ing funny dude yeah because there's videos on Facebook of people chasing like they like hogs around with like assault rifles on trucks they're like shooting them and they're like squealing the sauce is for pleasure you like the taste of chicken? I don't eat meat for pleasure I do it for nutrition seriously? do you seriously don't do it for taste? what nutrition are you getting out of a chicken? that you can't get from plants? I think it's just the low fat high protein there's low fat high protein sources of plant protein as well of course you've got guinea beans no no bro you've got tofu, you've got satan you've got mock meat to be honest, nutrition wise I've meant more red meat to be honest with you copper, iron, magnesium, potassium phosphorus, selenium I can't pronounce some of these chaline, omega 3 yeah you can get all that f*** on plants but that is a nutritious bit of food though I mean there's also a bunch of fat cholesterol there's a bunch of other things in it and red meat's got bad associated with bad health outcomes when you look at population data some of the best data has been done on red meat itself and that's why it's something they teach you to minimise but yeah you can get a bunch of nutrition from human meat as well I'm sure it's got exactly the same minerals maybe more yeah I agree with you yeah keep up what you're doing anyway it's good work I know you don't want to hear it right but it's better than nothing I can't stop eating meat but I'll try a bit of tofu that's all I can promise you that's really nice talking to you you'll be vegan soon