 And the days moving up to merger, the months moving up to merger, what was the attitude of blacks? Were there tension in the discussion? Was there excitement? Was there fear of losing who we were? Those kind of things. Yeah, I think that was some of all of that because we did not know what the outcome would be and we were concerned about our participation. And in the merger, beyond the merger, our role that we would not lose anything, but that if anything, that we would gain in terms of opportunities, roles of positions, whatever, that would enable us and enable the church to claim it's true identity. And as it moved up to toward merger, I understand you were also part of those persons that were putting BMCR together that meant to be an advocacy group for blacks once merger took place. Yes, I happened to be one of the few we met and we talked about the challenge that faced us and we designed our strategy for breaking through some of the barriers that we were facing in the life of the congregation. And we made a motion to become a group, to an organized group, but primarily organizing what it means to be black and Christian in the life of the church. And that was our story. We did not wanna use lose our identity. And at the same time, we felt that we had contributions to be made and that we would be a blessing to the whole church that we would also gain by laboring together, working together with our sisters and brothers to overcome the racism that we were experiencing in our denomination. We have that thing so often in the life of the church but we did not wanna lose our identity as African-Americans, our history, our gifts and our graces, that we need to be a blessing to the whole church. Yeah, and that's been the challenge for black Methodist for church renewal.