 Welcome back National Agency for the Prohibition of Travelling in Persons, NAPTIP says it is mandatory for travelling football agents to obtain a clearance certificate before embarking on any journey. The director general of the agency Fatima Waziri-Azi said this in Abuja on Saturday at a novelty match between the agency's football club and the All-Stars Football Club Abuja to create awareness of human trafficking. She also said the mission of travelling for any agent would be specified on the clearance certificate. Ms Waziri-Azi added that the clearance certificate would help to reduce the trafficking and migration of persons from Nigeria to help us unpack this, we joined by a guest who is a Zonal commander of the National Agency for the Prohibition of Travelling in Persons, NAPTIP and Makodi Zonal commander, Mrs Gloria Iverimbay. Gloria Iverimbay, thank you very much for your time. Well, thank you, good morning. Okay, this seems to be a new one. Football agents to receive or to obtain clearance certificates from NAPTIP before travelling, why? Okay, good morning again, once again, it's actually, I think it has become very necessary to have that, have this regulation on board and that was why NAPTIP, through the Attorney General of the Federation, Dr, I mean, I'm allowed me to brought up this regulation because you know, for us at NAPTIP, we have experienced, we have so many stories about people that have been trafficking in the name of taking them out there for football for football opportunities. And for us, we know that people use these platforms to traffic a lot of people. A lot of girls, I mean, young boys have been trafficked using the name of taking them for football academies and opportunities abroad. And I personally, I know, I know one of my, there's a time my younger brother was was scammed, I paid the money for his insurance and all that, as much as I told him, I didn't think this was right. But because of the zeal, the boy was so desperate to go out there. So I had to pay, I mean, discover that it was a fake football advert, because, but I was being contacted. And I tried to do it. So you can see that nobody is free from these traffickers. They're always out there and ready to take any advantage they have to take. So the regulation is quite, it's necessary to be able to regulate the activities of the agents, all these football agents that come around. So when these agents take these youngsters abroad on the guise of taking them for football trials or for a football career, and it turns out they're being trafficked, what are the trafficked abroad to do to what are they, is it for prostitution or for what? For football, we do that, I would not say that they're not trafficked for prostitution, because as you know, even men are trafficked for prostitution, not just women. But we know that there's a new trend coming up which is organ harvesting, and people are taking advantage of that, these opportunities to traffic people for organ harvesting. Right now we don't have a good statistics of that, but we know that it's happening that a young boy is taking abroad, and then next thing is organs are being harvested. So there are many other things. You can also move them into labor exploitation, which in implantations abroad, in big farms abroad, so it's very necessary that people understand that it's not just, it's never the same story when you get out there. All right, must be a terrible situation, I mean to hear that it could end up being organ harvesting or some other thing. Does this clearance certificate for those who are listening, who are watching, who are football agents, what's the procedure? Does it come with a cost? Yes, if you go to the portal, you will see that we have the NAPTE clearance portal, all you need to do is go there, click on register, and the process is there. There's a fee that you pay for that clearance, and it doesn't mean that when you pay, the fee is automatic because there's a total check that will be done before that clearance is given. But when that clearance is given, you are going to pay with a certain fee. For those who are watching this morning, maybe football agents, may want to find out what it will cost them, what will it cost the football agents to obtain this clearance form? I don't think the fee is stable because you need to, it's when you get there, after the registration, you will see how much you are going to pay. But I don't think it's something anybody has to be scared of. NAPTE is just trying to put that small stipends there to be able to make it look legal and for people to be more responsible to doing things. So I think, and like you know, this is just one of the ways NAPTE is doing to strengthen the agencies enforcement activities. A reason I'm asking about the cost is because I mean, you know, the normal thing for people in this country, it says, oh, they want to make money. And, you know, so just to, in order to make sure we clear any doubts, you know, just to clear doubts, how much is NAPTE asking football agents to pay for this clearance certificate? There's those stipulated amounts that is there. And that's why I said, when you go to the portal, you register, you will see what you will be paying for that. Because it might be depends on the number of people you're taking and all that. So it depends on just go to the portal as a very friendly portal. You go there, you see everything. And I don't think it's something they should be scared of because NAPTE is not putting a very high price. We're not there to regulate or to hinder those that are going in a legitimate way. I think we're just trying to make things right so that we protect our boys and girls that are going out there. Fantastic. But some will say, you know, if NAPTE is a federal agency funded by government and it's out for noble causes like this, which is to, it's a very, very fantastic work that NAPTE is doing. I remember the first time I heard about NAPTE was on the TC Abu Bakar, who was, if I'm not mistaken, the wife of the vice president at the time. NAPTE is doing great work. If this is just to protect youngsters, why ask the agents to pay? Is there any attendant cost to NAPTE to make sure that they clear these people? You're focusing too much on how much NAPTE is asking to pay. But it's not as if NAPTE is giving a very high price for wanting to take. Even if you go for a visa, you pay for a visa. So there are certain things that we're just trying to make it legal. And I don't think there's anything wrong with NAPTE asking for a small amount of money just for your processes to be done. And this was considered by the attorney general himself before the regulation was brought on board. So walk us through the process. So let's say I'm a football agent. I go on the NAPTE portal. Can you maybe avail us of the web address if that's available now? When I feel the form online, what happens next? It's a process. Like I said, there are step-by-step process where you will make do that registration. So when you get to it, every step you go, you are being linked to another step that you do. And so it's not something that you just, you start now and you say now this is over. When you after this, but that's what we made it very easy that you can go online and do it at a very simple procedure. I have not registered as a football agent, but I know that like I'm looking at right now that the portal is there. You click on register, you see the step-by-step steps that you take. So I think people should just try and see how usable this platform is. And if there's any challenge that you can call NAPTE. Do you have the website available to you now or maybe something we can get later and put it out on our news? Yes, so our website is www.naptip.gov.ng. Okay, www.naptip.gov.ng. .gov.ng. All right. So what is the nature of this clearance? I mean, you want to make sure that a young person who has been taken abroad to for football repurposes actually is going for that. So how are you going to find that out? Can I read from again please? I mean, what's the nature of this clearance? How will it work? NAPTE wants to make sure that young people, young Nigerians who have been taken abroad for trials for football purposes, actually will be taken for those purposes and not for any other thing. Like you talked about organ harvesting and all that. So how would NAPTE find out and make sure that this is the case? How does it work? What's the nature of the clearance? Like you see, like I said before, NAPTE said to make this look legal and open so that people can understand, so that our children will be protected. We've used clearance. Well, after you get this clearance, there's a procedure where you will tell us when you come back with this children. There's another check that's done. I know that at times that people come that they want to take children for excursions abroad. We need to have the clearance of the family of these children. All these are part of the procedure to say that the children have been there and the parents are aware that the children are going abroad. And if you're taking a certain number, we would like to know how many are back. So these are some of the checks and balances that we're trying to put in place to make sure that these children are not being sold out into slavery. What about those? The clearance, just to add that, if you can also go to tipclarance.gov.ng, that takes you straight to the clearance. Sorry, the network interface, so we didn't hear that web address. Can you please repeat? Okay, I said you can also go to tipclarance, that's the CIP clearance, tip.gov.ng. Clarence, okay. Clarence.gov.ng. All right. So you're saying that there is, what about those who are, I'll just try to open the website, it's not going through. It's on www.napt.gov.ng. No, no, tipclarance.gov. Clarence.gov.ng. I'm using my phone here, tipclarance.gov.ng. It says this site can't be reached. Yes. So. No, you will reach it. Okay, can you go to www.napt.gov.ng? All right. When you go there by your right hand side, you will see eClarence.gov. Click on register. That will show you how useful it is. Go to www.napt.gov.ng. All right. Are you there now? Yes, I'm there. I'm there. I'm at Napt.gov. Did you see eClarence? Napt.gov.ng. No ma'am. No ma'am. There's no, there's no Napt.gov.ng. eClarence portal on the website here. I've gone through, I can't see anything. What page are you looking at? What page are you looking at? I'm looking at the mobile, the mobile version. I'm using my phone. I'm going through. Okay. I will try. Yeah. Okay. I've seen it at the bottom. Okay. So I can see Napt.gov. Yes. Because you are using a phone, you are still using a phone. Most people may use phones. Yes. The page will be the same. Yeah, absolutely. I understand that. Yeah, I know. But I'm saying the page will not be as wide as the normal. That's why I have to go down. Okay. So I've seen, I see register, I see login. Do I click register or login? Okay. I click login because I'm new. You click register first. Sorry. Register because I'm new. All right. I've clicked that. And it's working. I can see Napt.gov. Portal. I can see how to apply for Clarence. Okay. So I think the TIP is what needs to work. I had to go to the TIP Clarence so that people we see if it's working and at least you can give feedback to the agency. I'm sure that you're happy to know that it's not going through and that can help the agency work on that. Because I mean if somebody wants to go today and they can't apply to put, it may hamper. But you just went to, I guess you just went, I can see that you just went to the Napt website and you can see it's there. Yes. And you can click to register and you can see it's working. So you can as well use that today if you want to go in for your Clarence. All right. All right. You can just go in there and register. Okay. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. So I ask again, you know, some people are taking them abroad. They're not coming back. They're going to start a career. They go for maybe football trials or they're going to join an academy abroad. How do you, since you're not coming back and Napt would not be able to see, oh, you went before you came back with three, they're taking one person out and it's enough person isn't coming back. How do you ensure this person is actually enjoying the club? Exactly. That's what I said. When you, you don't have to come back but not to see monitor the person, when the person is abroad. You see, when we talk about recruitment, especially when it comes to recruitment for jobs or triple academies and all that, you see, when you have people being taken abroad without anybody having it, in fact, any follow-up mechanism where you have someone to monitor or to check what is the well-being of this person abroad. That's where trafficking goes on. But with this new way of doing things that Naptip is doing and this is, these are innovations that have been come up by our director general, Dr. Fatima Waziri and I think it's very commendable because what you do is, when we register, Naptip is able to trace, is able to follow up and monitor that particular person. There's a team that is set aside to do all this. So there's a monitoring procedure when Naptip will continue to keep a tap on the people that have been taken abroad through this process. All right. I mean, I wish you had more time to discuss this issue of payment because, I mean, people are complaining about what they have to pay for. The economy is not what it used to be for a lot of people. We look at the police certificate or form for those who want to be cleared as well. It's now 40,000 there. I wish you could tell us how much these football agents will have to pay. Don't you have a flat rate or some, for one person? Madam, how much will one person pay? One person, just give us something. I don't think it's something I, like I said before. Why is it something you can't tell us? One person? I don't know, but it's not the one or thing. That is what I'm trying, what I said before. And I'm saying, you keep paying, you keep paying every year. What I mean is not one or two. It's not one fee by case. So that's what I said. It just has to do with what are you going, where are you going, how many people are you taking? So when you go through that process and it gets to where you need to pay, how much you're going to be paid will be clear to you. All right, what do you think? When something, I want to, I want to, I want to disabuse the minds of agents or recruiters out there that I want them to believe this is something good that NAPTIP is doing, because I remember the engagement we had with employment recruiters. There are so many other fake agents out there that are also spelling the names of the good ones. So it's important that they should work with NAPTIP to see that this works, because if it works, now you know who is good and who is not good, because there are a lot of bad people out there that are taking these same opportunities, taking advantage of these, these, these opportunities and receiving our children to, to traffic them. So I believe that if you are a genuine agent and you want to take children abroad for football, for football academies or clubs out there, there's nothing for you to fear because that I'm not, it's just that now you have an agency that is also assisting you to do it right. All right, all right, are you working with NFA or maybe FIFA or CAR for UEFA, these organizations that license agencies, very quickly, briefly please? This is where we work with anybody, especially where we are, we always call for synergies, collaborations and they are aware that we have this portal, that's why it's a new one and we have been trying to sensitize regarding this new portal. So I guess everybody will come on board and everything will be well. All right, thank you very much, Gloria Iverian by Zono Commander of NAPTIP Makodi for your time and that's the much we can take on the breakfast on Plus TV Africa, please follow us on social media, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at Plus TV Africa, YouTube Plus TV Africa and of course for our live streams, Plus TV Africa Lifestyle. My name is Kofi Bartels, I'll be back tomorrow. Good morning.