 Welcome to the ITU Studio in Geneva. I'm very pleased to be joining the studio today by Lina Gumba who is the senior statistician for the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics. Welcome to the studio. Thank you, sir. Now I'd like to start off by asking you to tell us a little bit about the current status of the ICT sector in Kenya. Wow. It's from where I can start. It's a long story. But what I can say so far, we have done a lot. We have been able to compile a lot of ICT statistics in the country. And this began from 2012 whereby actually we didn't even have an ICT sector in terms of in the NSO because it was combined together with the transports and communication. But with the revision of international standard of industrial classification, that is the ICIC revision 4, which has actually separated transport and storage and ICT on its own. We have been able now to have even an office or a sector on ICT only whereby it compiles now the statistics both on households and also in enterprises. And another main thing is that we have collaborated with the communication regulator whereby we have a very fantastic relationship. And with these, since they are the main policy makers in terms of ICT, we have been able to compile some of the indicators in the surveys we do. And we have also tried to carry out ICT surveys in terms of enterprises as standalone surveys. Yes. Now coming from a statistical background, what would you say are the main challenges that you face in collecting data on the ICT sector? Well, sitting from the NSO, as we all know, ICT is not the main subject or the main thing to do daily basis. We have other sectors whereby we have GDP or compiling of inflation, which actually carries the main back of what NSO does. So ICT actually is just the drop of what we normally do and trying to get the financial resources to carry out as ICT standalone becomes a bit difficult and even getting human resources or human capacity to carry out the surveys and everything because we have so many surveys that we are doing. Like currently we are planning for the population census in 2019 and we also plan to do a survey on ICT which also needs human capacity. At times the two can get some friction due to the demand of people who are needed and all that. So those are some of the challenges we get because we have too much to do yet. We have very few on the human resource who can actually do this particular job. Then the other thing is the capacity building in terms of compiling ICT statistics, the new ventures which are like big data. We would want to venture into that but we lack the capacity scales for this particular area. So as much as we want to move forward at the pace that is required we are still lagging behind because of some lack of some of these scales actually. Kenya of course is the Nairobi, the Silicon Savannah there. We are very much the focus of a lot of interest to do with SME startups. There is a lot of them that I am sure are of interest to you as well. But I wanted to ask you in terms of, you spoke at length today about mobile money in Kenya and I know there are lots of apps that are being produced for that and services. What do you see as the key indicators? Do you see these as key indicators for digital inclusion? It is and it should be however in countries that don't have it maybe they use due to availability of other financial applications maybe they have. But for Kenyan case or African case in particular the mobile money is the main answer to the closing in the financial gap that we are having. So if we leave it alone we are not going to be left behind because compared to the developed countries they are more ahead in terms of financial inclusivity and we are not. So we really need the mobile money indicators to be compiled into this. And finally what would you say are the main takeaways from this year's symposium in terms of data collection? As we saw from the symposium one of the reasons IDI was not released is because of lack of data and these actually cuts across most countries and Kenya is not left behind because there is the issue of giving out ICT skills for example which we are unable or we are yet to capture it. So with this particular symposium and the need of collecting data we need to go back home and emphasize to their management that we need to start compiling these statistics as soon as possible. Well thank you very much for joining us in the studio. We look forward to catching up with you again at some stage in the future where I'm sure you'll be able to fill us in on the statistical progress that you've been making. Yes, sure. Thank you very much indeed.