 Killers and all that, teenagers did be locked up forever in this area that went on. They had what they called the West Memphis three. Have you ever heard of that? They had batteries on. I haven't, but I mean, I think that's, this is good. That's all good stuff we should, we can talk about on this, on this. We can, I can start, I can kick it off and then we can start going into, just start going into stories about it. And then we should look that up. You should, you should look up West Memphis three on your, on your computer. So you have some facts at hand to talk about or to a, to a discuss with that. Cause Damian Eccles was the, he was the main one. They, they, they pinged him as the ringleader of this satanic cult out there in Arkansas or West Memphis or wherever the hell it was they were. Apparently they were living on the border. And he, they gave him a life sentence. Actually, they gave him a death sentence. What am I talking about? They gave him a death sentence. They got the other two kids life sentences and locked them up. And he was, did his whole entire time in administrative segregation. And eventually after 18 years of being in, in, in prison they were exonerated. These three guys, they, they didn't do the crimes they were accused of and they were let out. I think I do know the story actually. But they, to get out, they, they, they came to them and told them, look, we'll let you out, but you have to sign, you have to sign the confession saying that you're guilty. You have to sign a guilty thing saying, and so that you can't come back and sue us and get money from the state for us, for us having incarcerated you and, and told the whole world that you were satanist and murder and murdered three children all this. But he talks a lot about what happened to him, the effects of segregation. He's written books about it, books about it. And he's been on television. As a matter of fact, I think I saw him on a, on the view one time where he was talking about it. He walks with a cane now. He says the reason why he walks with a cane is from being segregation. And he says his vision went bad in there because he never was looking at anything further than the cell, cell walls. They, I mean, the physical parts of his time in SEG just, he would build the pieces. I will say this, he seems at least to have maintained his sanity. This story is awful. It gets, it gets, it just gets fucking weird. Like it's, like I haven't even gotten to the point where they've convicted him yet, but it's just getting, this is getting crazier and crazier. Oh, and I say, I brought this guy up. I'm like, man, these guys are using this one case as their example. Of course that's, is that, are you reading from the actual lawsuit or is that an article? I'm reading from the Britannica website, the Encyclopedia. That's where this is. Holy crap. I've never heard this is about. I don't understand that. But one of the leading witnesses against him had an IQ of 72. That was, I think that was one of the guys that got a lot of sentence to do. And whenever it all came out, huh? Okay, no, you're right. Yeah, you're right. That is. Yeah, cause whenever, whenever, whenever the tide had finally changed and he had gotten some attention finally, and they started reviewing his case and they found, and it was becoming more and more obvious that they could not have possibly murdered these children. And only did they not murder these children that there was never even a satanic murder. All this crap that the cops had made up was ridiculous. They, it was pure hysteria. I mean, a modern day witch hunt in the truest sense of the word. What? Well, the prosecution also introduced evidence that believed in criminating, such as the fact that Echols read Stephen King and listened to Metallica. That's just like, that's what they did to me. That's how they convicted me. They brought my comic books up that I was reading and print, you know, things like that. They brought people, man, they tried to, oh my God, I don't even want to get into that crap. They, they can, I could spoil my mood. Going down that hole. But, no, yeah, that was like I'm saying, that was a part of the, in that day and age, in the early 90s, they had a real hysteria about kids, these cops, they would, a crime would happen. And then the cops would immediately claim, they would come up with the wildest, craziest theories as to what happened and apply it. And then the media would run with it. It took all that, I mean, throughout the whole 90s, you could not convince anybody in the media that Damien Echols was not some kind of satanic cult leader. They were convinced. Do you, maybe we should talk about that, because here's the thing about that, because I read like three sentences in and I already knew where this story was going because one of the things I had to research, one of the things I studied when I was in prison as part for my college degree was, basically, I can't remember what class it was in. It wasn't criminology, it was some different class. But for, I've read, I studied up on cult crimes and occult crimes. And crimes, they have a really hard time keeping track of how many of these Satan worship crimes, how many people are killed due to Satan worship. And sometimes the number is really high. I'm gonna look at, try and find out. But the number may be actually zero. There may have never been anyone killed for Satan worship in this country. But the thing is, is whenever they bring it up, it always- There's people that want to believe that, though. There's so many people that want, it's the craziest shit. Right. Whenever they, and all they gotta do is flash your face on TV and there's a murder that happens, or somebody's dead. And the reason why is because you're a Satanist and man, I'm talking about, that is so devastating. I mean, your case is lost from the beginning due to the hysteria that's gonna surround your case. Right, because you're- And if you're a teenager, like Damian Eccles at the time, you're double lost because you have no money and you don't know shit about shit or how to file a case anyway. Oh yeah. Well, he already had, he had mental issues from the beginning. So- Damian Eccles? Yeah, Damian Eccles. Really, I didn't know that. I think that's what I was saying. Double check. I didn't know if that was him or if that was the other guy. The one that they gave the license to, the other one that I testified against him, he signed the witness statement or signed the confession and all that other stuff. He, okay. Whenever they even, even whenever they finally came back and said, look, your case has been reopened and it went to him and said all you gotta do is sign a, sign up some kind of, I don't know, confession or a guilty statement and we'll let you go. He refused to do it because prison, he was so, this guy was so profoundly, I don't want to say profoundly retarded, but he was so, you know, I'm not even sure what the word is, but he liked it there and he didn't want to be released. This time in prison was, he had grown so accustomed to it over that 18 years he didn't want to leave. And so Damian Eccles, who was facing the death penalty, I mean, his time was ticking away at that point. Had to work some real magic to get word into this guy, to give him to actually sign the papers to get him out. Whenever he was on the view, what was the name of that conservative girl that was married to the football player that was on the view for a while? I think it was Elizabeth Hasselbeck. I want to say it was her name, right? Oh, that might be, yeah. She was married to some football player named Hasselbeck. When, whenever Damian Eccles was on the view, that was the era that he was on. She was like, I still don't understand this. I can't understand what you're trying to tell me. Why would you sign papers saying that you're guilty? Why would you sign it? Why would you, and he was, and he's looking at her. He's like, I was in prison for 18 years on death row. Then my time was ticking away. I was at, I mean, they had issued a execution date. If you're in that situation, I don't care what they offer you, what you have to do to get out, you're gonna take it. She couldn't get it through her head. She was like, looking at him like, what the hell is wrong with you? Why would you sign it? No, that's, they had a, actually like the episode, last week's episode, not this week's, but last week tonight, they did police confessions on John Oliver. And they actually showed a clip of the NBC or the CBS news anchor talking about a guy who, a journalist who, and the journalist said, he's like, cause he says like, the more and more they investigated this, the more I realized that these guys were telling the truth. They didn't do this. And then the interviewer goes, but they confessed, they confessed. He's like, yeah. He's like, I know, but they didn't do it. And then, and then he comes back and like, comes back again, he's like, yeah, but they confessed. And he's like, and then the journalist who's been, he can't get it through his head. And he's like, and so the journalist finally has to come through and he's like, yeah, but you don't understand what they put this guy through to get him to confess. And then at the end of the whole, like, so John Oliver goes through and explains how this confession works, because he explains this is the gold standard of evidence is a confession. They call it the gold standard. So they're always trying to get a confession. So then he makes this clip called the Confestigators. And what they do is they have these two comedians and they're the cops and they come in and there's a guy sitting at the interrogation table and they're just, they're doing all the things that John Oliver just talked about, just trying to just sit in there. And there's actually, there's a training, John Oliver talks about, there's an actual training they go through that teaches, that explains on how to get someone to confess that is based on zero scientific fact. And he says, unlike it says, if you, if they look away from you, that means they're not telling the truth. But if they look at you too much, then they're not telling the truth. So you can basically get it any, you can make anything. So the cops, this is the actual training that police officers go through or the detectives go through that. Yeah, it's called the read method. R-E-I-D, the read method. And so it shows them using the read method. And then- That was the whole, that was the whole, that was a big part of my case. They brought the detective that did the interrogation with me in there. And he was saying, well, you know, just his body language, just telling me he was lying. Right. It's a type of thing. You just being uncomfortable in that room has enough body language to tell them that you were lying. And that's based on this method. And like you have to, you got to watch this episode. I'll have to send it to you. And then you'll- I don't have to watch it, I lived it. I know what the fuck they do to you in one of those interrogation rooms. But they're- I know why they don't have, why they don't have cameras in there and why they don't record interrogations. But they're still- That should be the biggest evidence ever that the shit's not legitimate. They refuse to bring a camera in there because they don't want the public to see what the fuck they're doing to you to get the confession. Oh, the best thing is, is they can, they can choose what part they present. So they can, so- Oh, trust me. Yeah, I know you know. They did exactly that. They did exactly that to me. They took bits and pieces of what I told them happened that day and put that into a, and then typed up a story and told me if I didn't put my name on it, they were gonna give me the death toll. But- I'm gonna open this bottle. Okay. But you can- I'm not drinking. It's not beer, it's coffee. That's fine. But it comes in there. That's okay. It's a cold brew coffee, don't panic. I'm not panicking. That's all right. But so, what was I trying to say? I can get wired up on that subject here. Oh, jeez. But here's the greatest part. So they go, so at the end of this bit, so they go through and finally after, like the guys like, they finally get this guy to confess at the end of the bit. And they, and then another officer walks in with a guy in handcuffs and she's like, oh man, sorry that it took so long. Here's your suspect. And the other cops don't even look at her. They're like, we don't need another suspect. We already got this one to confess. And it's like, it's like, who are you? And it's like, I just came in here to charge my cell phone and they all start laughing. And they're all laughing. And then the other officer uncut handcuffs that the suspect she just brought in and they're all laughing. And he's like, well, can I go now? No. You were not going anywhere. This is a comedy skin or was this a real thing? This is a comedy skin. This is a comedy skin. But they, before the comedy skin, they break down the real thing. And here's the best part. The same training method that the officers probably were trained on for you, same video that they watched, they're still selling. They still sell it on DVD and it cost $100. And it looked, they showed clips of it on there and of them doing it. It is, it's fricking, it's 80s. And they have like, they show one clip is, I think is a woman pretending to be a prostitute. Another one is a guy pretending to be a sex offender. It's, and they're supposed to be showing, they're showing how to read someone and how their body language can change. And like, you know, like they're asking him is like, it's like, so did you have sex with those kids? I would never. Like that's what the, that's what's on the video. It's like, see how he turned away and he inverted his gaze. He's clearly lying. Well, you're free to mange in the balance of that. Yeah. Exactly. Whether or not you turn your head at the wrong time. It doesn't, that's the thing, it doesn't matter. That was, that was the whole point of what he was talking about. It's like, it doesn't matter. It's cause they can get, they can get anyone to confess to anything because they just brow beat them and anything can be interpreted as lying. Cause that's what they're looking for. The shakedown is recorded in luxurious Longmont public media studios. And our theme song, Shakedown is provided by Envato Elements.