 Welcome once again to the breakfast now Let's move our conversation to ados state where the ados state government has put out a statement in response to the plan coronation of a Sultan of sure Arabs of ados state We are speaking this morning with a Curtis who was a president been in solidarity movement. Good morning. Mr Thanks for joining us So I want you know you to first of all share your thoughts with regards the planned coronation How did that news hits the residents of ados state and they're doing indigents. Yeah There's tension here right now And we are not happy about what's going on We cannot imagine People strangers coming to our land to swear in a suit and Our coronation suit and in our kingdom So we are all totally against it and we are all Okay, so what exactly is a challenge if there is a Muslim community in ados state Yes, so don't they deserve to have their own, you know type of traditional leadership In the in the present of a Sultan We know we have a traditional laws Rules the state and every other state in the federation. Yes We cannot I cannot go to bonus state now. I'm saying I want to be an inoge They want to be coordinated as an inoge in bonus state or in Adam our state so it is an aberration and We are totally against it. They have outside communities they should have their leadership and They have Muslim communities. They should have their leadership which we wish is recognized by the traditional council So we cannot allow this kind of a coronation Because looking at the asses where they are coming from They are not even a clearance. They are Arab. Whatever say you are up or so They are no Nigerians and knowing what is going on around the world right now He tell his activities going on around the world We are being careful You know, so mister ago, what can you tell us about this man? This, you know, Sultan Idris Adano? I don't know him. It's the first time I'm hearing about him and It is it calls for worried because it's not recognized. We don't know him so it's a Lot of like that as is a lot of issues. We have been a challenges in that as is You know kidnapping, you know, our forest have been taken over by terrorists and These are non-Nigerians So for a non-Nigerian to come to close to the palace of the above be named and He's saying want to be Coronated as a suit and it is strange And we are totally against it and it will be resisted So, mr. Mr. Oboe when you said come close to the palace of the above be me What do you mean did this Sultan and his group actually come to the above be named for permission or how or what happened? Well, I don't really know no much about them, you know, it was a strange to us when we heard that They are they are going to coronate because of the invitation of coronation With I cannot have two kings in the kingdom You know, so what I mean by coming close The houses they are coming from Where they want to do the coronation is about a 25 minutes drive to the above in the palace. So we cause for worry We are not comfortable with it and we are going to resist it. Okay, quickly share with us you know what the current relationship is between the Indigents and the Muslim community because I don't state does have its, you know, Muslim community We have a Muslim community and it is me added by the man You know, so we are very careful and conscious about things like this So that is why the Muslim community is headed by the man and if anything go wrong, we hold up anymore responsible You know, so we cannot allow a stranger in our land, you know, because we have been having seeds of strangers Coming to being kingdom trying to to grab land You know, and we are very watchful and very careful You know Okay, would you expect that there should be also a response from the palace of the above been in? Yes, the palace have responded because I am close to the palace I am the private land and a debt recovery agent to the above been in so We have responded and we don't know them. They are not recognized you know So We read a statement by the ados state government just was signed by Osirode Ogeh, Secretary of State and government in ados state He basically went on to say that they have been complaints from Indigents and residents of ados state About this move. What are some of the complaints that you've heard from the residents now not from the palace? Yeah, the government took a very Preactive major a proactive major and to respond immediately you know, so that was that was a good one from the state government and Wish the the the get these people arrested these people put what trying to cause confusion cause chaos You know to breach of security You know in the state You know, you cannot come from a sad Across a bonus states I come to ados state. I want to coordinate yourself as a sultan You know, in fact, that is already criminal so they need to be called and Questioned on their mission in ados state. No, I'm asking you like from the perspective of the residents What what really is their complaints? Are they scared that this might lead to something else? What exactly is the grievance of the residents? Of course, we have been having as we are in this country We are seeing what the full and the estimate have been doing to our farmers So they've taken over most of our forest doing all sorts of criminalities kidnapping some robbery and killings So we cannot condone that we cannot allow that to happen you know when eventually they they show themselves or coordinate themselves as a sultan in our land It's threatening and frightening So it will be resisted and for the sake of security You know the security agencies who take a adequate action because we cannot food our hands And see this happen What more would you expect from the youths in Benin or in ados state for now for now we are Appealing to the youths to calm down and let see what the government You know the security officer of the state who is the state governor is there. So we are watching them if nothing is done the youths can take for self-help Because they this is a engineering to our lives and our properties Okay, so miss. I'll go you mentioned that this is a move this coronation is a move that would be and resisted When you say you would resist this Could you explain how you mean would you be sending delegations the team would you be okay such a coronation is that? one it is strange to us and two we are going to lead protests against it without a without a without go outside the law So what you would lead protests right this this coronation is due to hold Tomorrow tomorrow and next tomorrow Saturday and Sunday. So are you planning to protest today because it seems like a like a very short notice here No, we cannot act more than ourselves. We are watching the state government. We want to see what the state government want to do Then before we know what next to do Okay, so do you see you know any possibility of this coronation being called off? We may be due to the response of a government in the people. It is better. It is called off to avoid the chaos All right, I'm sorry. We'll tell us a little more about the Muslim community in a do state those in a do north Yeah, what's what's the current relationship like with the rest of a do state? Well, I know that it has most Yeah, the most names and the Christians here. They are living peacefully and there's no no problem not until this fuller newsmen terrorists attack on Innocent people, you know traveling travelers across the state and within the state So a lot of people are worried You know, would you would you also describe this plan coronation as an insult to the above been in? Of course it is It is the big insult not only to the above me to the beening kingdom the people of beening kingdom So we are not going to take it I'm a beening man a very proud one at that. So we will not I will not we will never accept such in our land Okay, well, it's important, you know, and that's one of the reasons I asked, you know What steps must be taken? It's also important to ensure that there is a maintained peace in a do state The state governor of course has put out a statement from a Saudi. Oh, yeah Of course, we will be following and seeing how this Turns out Okay, can you also share with us? You know exactly what location this coronation is planned And you know, how long these people have been in those in that community? for I Don't think these people have been around for you for the last two three years Because they are strange to us You know, we only know that they are full of me Catereras Then there are also community who says tomatoes onions and others in that as is And we will have a duke because that's a duke done You know, we have a duke that oversees That area on behalf of the above being in so it is strange to us to see that Somebody's bringing up his head, you know to say if you want to be coronated in our land So this is not in in a circle or the core ado North No, no, it is close to You know and our body size our upper-class besides that already You know, so it costs for worry You know, so I cannot go to as a minimum go to Canada and say I want to be a new gear of Of an area of my people You know, so it is only the over that I have the authority the traditional authority to to decide who Giving leadership a traditional leadership in being kingdom You know, I believe that there's also places where people have their own You know, try traditional leadership. It may not be as high as a salt and or an oba Yes, we know them to be having psyche I also You know, the most land they are which is the most like communities because You know, we have a mostly leader who is a mini man who controls all of them You know, so this one coming to say want to be a suit on It is strange. It's an aberration and it's going to be resisted All right Thank you very much for joining us this morning. We would like to speak with you again Hopefully sometime next week, you know after this, you know, the events that have been scheduled for tomorrow and next Play out and if there's also any feedback that would like to get from me We will definitely we are waiting for the we are watching and waiting for the state government To take appropriate action with the security agencies All right. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me All right. All right. Um, sorry gay really looking at this matter We discussed this earlier with mr. Jede Johnson on Off the press and one of the things he said that I noted was that Um, is it important for us to really have traditional rulers in Nigeria? This is something that I know that it's highly debatable because we know the role of traditional rulers in the Nigerian setting especially culturally, right? So, um, I can imagine lots of people debating that with him saying You know, he's Call for, you know, the cancellation of this traditional leadership in Nigeria. It's not something that may hold much water You know, we are it seems that we are fundamentally, you know Traditional when it comes to, you know things like this regarding traditional rulers and or bars This is something that is has been our identity before colonization before westernization You know, but I think we need to make a divide between the the acceptor traditional leadership and and in position like what the Um, state government is saying, you know, if something like this is to happen, you know, I feel that's why I asked him that You know, did this group come to the palace to negotiate a dialogue to explain exactly what their intent is it might be I have no idea the full scale of the situation But it might just be their own sultan of maybe muslims in the in the community. I have no idea What I'm saying is They have to be have been dialogue with the existing powers So it doesn't seem like you're stepping on them or you're trying to encroach on the land or, you know, the way it's been interpreted Yeah, but I don't I don't think they need to go to the palace. I think it's the other state government itself You know, like Jedi Johnson had described that, you know, that's what gave the kind of state government the powers then to Do what it did then with the splitting of the emirate into five Yes, exactly. So it's left for the other state government It's not they don't need to go to the other parts or the other state government but negotiations. Anyway, is what I'm saying Yeah, but I think it's it's mostly because of the tension across Nigeria today You know, and that's why I had to keep mentioning the fact that there is a muslim community in the other state There are actually, um, edo muslims. They're the north, you know, the esaq and you know, esaq and some of all those areas are mostly muslims And they will have their like he said, you know, they are seriki. I believe uh, who Is some level of a traditional leadership, but when you're talking of a saltan, that's a totally different level And it's also it's really because of where Nigeria is today and the level of mistrust between You know And you know, a lot of other parts of the country and so, you know, like he said, you know You would not go to Kano or go to a bar in no state and have an enoge there or have an Or bar of bini people in ado state. You wouldn't you know, ever try that So that's really where the the issues are coming from and so there's there obviously needs to be a lot more of these conversations and it's important that they maintain that relationship that they've had with the um, muslim community in ado state and you know, normal christian ado indigenous Now they're part of of benin city that have really just muslims that it's filled with muslim traders Families and and the likes that that's really an area where they all live Are they allowed to have a saltan? I do not think so If it's possible or would they you need to approach the ado state government to give them, you know, the You know leverage and the rights to have their own saltan I also don't think the ado state government will do that because it seems or it feels like an An insult you can't have two kings basically regardless of what religions exist You cannot necessarily have two kings and so there's the oba of benin. There's not going to be another You know oba like figure in the same Space yes, but I also don't agree with jidya johnson. Like you mentioned You know when he's talking about you know removing traditional No, I don't agree with that for for the lot for the even before nigeria became nigeria before the 1960 before You know, all of that they have always been traditional rulers Some of our history books would tell you of you know, jaguar for pobo and you know Of our vorame and some of all those people those have always existed and you're not going to throw that away simply because of Democracy democracy and modernization some of all of that they will always exist you know what we can instead do is try to limit the The powers they have not limit the powers they have but you know, there's certain parts of relief There are certain religious practices that we may need to religion traditional practice rather that we may You look at and say, okay. This is no longer. Oh, definitely. Definitely. This is no longer working You know, we need things that violence human rights and dig up. Absolutely, you know Some of all of that and that goes across the whole country including in the north, you know, every All the week we talk about his bar and some of the what we think as excesses So that's what we can do instead but about taking it away completely No, people need to have that, you know traditional leadership They need to always have that person who they you know see as a leader as a ruler Who should be able to make the best decisions for his uh people Your law of war ends coronation if you have been following the drama that has been you know occurring for the last Couple of weeks that's also because of the power of that that leadership has you're not going to go to your state and say Oh, the irony of of effect is no longer relevant So the thing regarding this particular situation is we hope actually we can't wait to see what plays out tomorrow They put all the details there the hotel where they're going to hold this coronation the dates the time and all of that So let's let's just wait and see and keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that nothing violent No violent news or reports comes out from a state in the next two days It might also there's a word for this, but it might really just be a Huh, that's like as a term, you know today, but it might just be a little triggered, you know to see how people react before Whatever the main plan You know, it's to test the conspiracy theories Yeah, they're just trying to test the waters to see how the reaction is before whatever main plan may exist You know, you know, I would come into play and also seen how the And hopefully doesn't get blown out of proportion Hopefully this is where it ends because there's a way that this could occur Then it now becomes a national issue and starts to bring, you know, a totally different conversation entirely And nobody wants to see that because like I said, they've lived in peace for for centuries And you know, this is not going to be the reason um why No, I don't Muslims who now start to have challenges in in a state. I don't want that Yes. Oh, right. Um, here's where we'll join the curtain on this conversation We'll take a break here and return to talk about security in all the parts of the world We know the crisis right now in Afghanistan. And there's a new dimension there with the Taliban stay with us