 You're listening to barbell logic brought to you by barbell logic online coaching where each week We take a systematic walk through strength training and the refining power of voluntary hartshow Welcome to the barbell logic podcast. I'm Scott Hamburg and there's Matt Reynolds over there and what's up? Happy anniversary Matt. Thank you. It is Let's see. What is what is next Thursday when this comes out? Yeah, we will have just passed at that at that point by the time this by the time this releases. I will be Celebrating my 20th anniversary with my beautiful bride Rachel and so that's a long time It's a long time for people there are 40 We follow the Scott Hamburg plan That's got married young start popping out babies wish I popped out a few more. Yeah, our Anniversary is the 31st. It will be the 23rd. I think I remember when you guys had your 20th Yeah, it's been a long time. It's been good. It's been my whole adult life Yeah, it's kind of cool to be I have been married For almost more than 50% of my life. Yeah, I'm there not quite but I'm close. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you've lived uh You've lived with Rachel longer to live with your parents That's true. That's true and Rachel we've been together since 97 So that's 23 years me and charity have either been dating or engaged or married since about 1989 or 90. Yeah, I would actually say that we've both been that since eternity passed When it was set forth and predestined that we would eventually be together gross We've been we've already been together for all eternity past and future um I coined a word yesterday. Did you see it? Yeah, I did. What was it? Oh, it was the eco. Don't tell me It's the opposite of oaky, right? Yeah, it's eco. It's oaky spelled backwards But it's what we call the californians that are fleeing The cultural and economic dust bowl they've created and coming back to the midwest and the texas to ruin texas Yeah, and we're in and oklahoma and uh You know we're full I don't feel like we have a ton of those. I don't know. Maybe we've got more than I think In missouri. Oh, they're coming. They're coming Well, of course, it's cheap cheap living out here Well, until they get here and they make all their bad decisions. Yeah, I know, but no, I'm I'm well aware Canada They're uh, they're the equivalent of their federal funds rate Flip negative yet last night. Oh really? Uh-huh What a weird, isn't this a weird time? Uh, it's the weirdest. It's the weirdest, man It's the weirdest, but I've been I've been saying maybe a little deflation Yep I know I know You did say that I don't want I don't want to believe we're talking about this and I was like look We're proud are we Scott hamburg are we headed for inflation? Because of all of the money That the federal government or the federal governments in the western world are pumping into the culture and you You noted that in fact none of that is in fact real New money. It's not they're not printing money, right? They are they're buying debt Yeah, the way and eventually that debt's going to go bad and when that debt goes bad, then it actually gets wiped off the table And there's less money Yeah, we like to talk about the printers go brr, you know and they print money But they really don't what they do is they they loan you money that never existed And they just write numbers down in your bank account and then you buy a house with those numbers Yeah, but if you buy the house and you never pay the loan back that money is destroyed and it makes the money supply contract and So that's one deflationary pressure that of course if nobody's working if the unemployment rate is enormous and it is Then people can't afford to buy things that makes demand to go down That's deflationary Um And there are some other factors too, but uh, I'm not sure that it's deflation But it's not clear to me that it's inflationary Uh, so it's interesting and you know a whole bunch of they'll balance each other out And that's where they'll stay the same. I'm hoping for the deflation Which uh, but um, it'll be It'll be disruptive for sure. Sure Good times We've been cursed with living in interesting times Yes, uh, it has been very strange. It has been very strange We closed on our rural land and um, you know, you can't You can't go in you got a call and then they got to let you in they won't let your real estate agent in No, like it's so weird. It's so weird. Everything's so strange Uh, restaurants are like that, you know, we go to a restaurant You have to get a reservation Then you go and get there and then you text a number and then you sit out in your Car and then they come out and they're like, all right, we're ready for you And then you come in and now interestingly enough in the rural land that I just bought little town 400 people in the town, right rural Went to the diner the other day Not a damn sign anywhere on a mask Every every diner booth is full of people eating hamburgers and chicken fried steak and it was wonderful People being human drank some tea had some chicken fried steak. Hey. Hey, though. Listen Missouri's full guys The only place fuller than Missouri is Oklahoma um You're talking about going to the restaurant or going to the closing, you know, and they're making you wear a mask and Did they make you wear a mask? No hand sanitizer. They did all that all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and um Everything's so odd a guy a guy wrote a poem And posted it in the comments on the online great books podcast fiat Listen to this. This is chris klinefelter I assume you've cleared this it's okay to say well, he posted it as a comment on On a public on a public deal, you know, okay? And uh, he's a member there. He's a good guy. He writes a lot of poetry He says I wonder if I were young in this year of plague You know like before when I was in my prime and the life of juggling was still to come Would I be likely to fall in love at first sight from six feet away? Like I did that day long ago by the river when a blind girl asked my name and my eyes became hers All in a moment. Could I see the fine person beneath the n95 mask if I had the nerve to ask Would I show up with roses and rubber-gloved hands and say that I liked hers with delicate fingers showing beautifully beneath tight stretch latex How can we find the magic moment when ppe must fall and all our souls bear all With courage and passion at the spot of the ball making it hard to see the ones we long to touch It's pretty good pretty good But like what is what does romance look like? Oh god, I can't imagine. Yeah, I can't imagine Well, and you know again, we're the lucky ones because we're in the midwest We're just a little more rural a little more spread out And so most of the cities in the midwest of at least partially open Imagine what it'd be like to still be in Manhattan and have everything closed I don't want to be in Manhattan things normal. Yeah, but not right now. No way man. You couldn't pay me enough Uh, Caitlyn This is one of our female listeners. This is our 26 female listener. She says excellent another female listener here started listening You guys earlier this year at the recommendation of my husband I was previously at a classes only studio, which I fully credit for getting me interested in working out again Um, her knees and such started feeling beat up Um, she says I can't even tell you how grateful I am for your podcast introducing me to LP today I deadlifted 205 for five for a new pr the most ever did before that was 135 So I keep remembering what you guys say about time jump by the way Yeah, something right there, huh? May I mean what she may meant was it was the most you'd ever deadlifted before She started this program. Yeah, maybe anyway, but that's good She said I kept remembering what you say about time speeding up when you're lifting and two seconds feel like 15 She said my last rep to feel like it took forever But it went up and my knees don't hurt and I'm a little heavier than I was when I was doing those cardio classes But I feel like I move around way easier. She said, uh, this is way longer winded that I anticipated more women should listen It's more fun to be strong than skinny. I have a lot more to go for some People, uh, my numbers are at their warm-ups, but I'm proud of them. Yeah, I'm proud of you too, ma'am. Way to go Good job. Good job, Caitlyn. Hey, uh Do what Caitlyn says women listen to us You're you're speaking to an audience who isn't listening. I know I know but the joke's good I gotta go where the comedy is man. You know the uh, what I love about it is is like we act like It's this, you know First off, congrats to Caitlyn. Yeah, that's great But then here's the thing Caitlyn's not the exception to the rule That's Caitlyn's what happens when anyone trains Regardless of your demographic we we way too often in the fitness world Try to make this about demographics. Oh, you're young. You're old. You're skinny. You're fat. You're male. You're female Listen, this stuff works for everybody. Yep. You will PR. You'll PR. That's the deal. You just go PR It's kind of funny. I've got I had a bunch of clients do the online Lockdown smackdown And the last day or two. Sorry clients for what I'm about to say. I love you So here hear the hear the heart behind what I'm about to say They're they're reporting back to me about how they did how they placed in the lockdown smack Oh, no, no, and they don't understand that I don't care at all how they placed I've already celebrated what they did. They they all went out and hit PRs I don't care if they took first or third or didn't place at all If they went out and hit three PRs or for some for actually a handful of my clients It was the first meet they ever did so they even post a total that's wonderful And so man, I couldn't care less like I listen I know for some of you guys out there you want to figure out where you place But I just don't it just doesn't matter to me where you place. It's an awesome thing To just compete to get out there and hit the PRs and try And so I'm really proud of my clients for doing that. Not that being said big john floater Comes in second in the middle weight for in his division, right? Yeah, and by the way and about us in about a Seven or eight day peak like it like like right days out from the meat. He's like, hey, I'm thinking about I've just he's been doing LP for a long time come You know, he's been coming coming back from one of his little layoffs that he has every once in a while So we've been we've been doing LP. He's like, what do you think about me doing the online meet? I was like, yeah, let's do it. Like you're pretty strong He's at the point in LP where he's hitting PRs and LP again for you know, the fourth time that he's ever done LP So he's but he hasn't done any triples or doubles or singles or anything So we just had him do like one or two workouts of low reps going into the The lockdown smackdown and the guy the guy did really well So he just you know, and I think he would still tell you he let you know He's not he's not at his all-time besties, but he's Oh, he's got lots of he's got many years of PRs in front of him and then a charity's client ed keen He won the uh masters middle weights not just and not just client the coach for us too. Yeah So eddy is a eddy is a dude. What a great his story. He's awesome because he started as as just a client And uh, sort of as my client and then I had charity start working with him We worked with him together when charity was a An uber early intern and then she's taken over as his head coach for several years now And and then he went past the pbc and now he's a coach for us and he works for us and what a great guy He did great super. That's kind of proud of him Jay Jason thanks for all the content you put out. I am 32 years old with young kids My recovery is not optimal. I would consider myself to be an intermediate lifter He says I'm having sinus and septum surgery What would you change if anything programming wise leading up to the surgery? He's got some more questions here, but we'll leave it at that. Yeah, nothing Now after the surgery. Yeah, and then he says the doctor said no heavy lifting for a week after if it was you How would you go about returning to training? Oh So we the doctor says one week So that's that scares me. I'll be honest now I've had several clients do this and this tends to be the comment I wonder though how often doctors understand the pressure That our clients are under under a strong val salva and lifting now if you do the val salva, correct Most of the pressure should be below the or south of the glottis But for a lot of people, it's not There's a lot of pressure in their face And so I come back pretty slow and just test her out a little bit and see how it goes I definitely would not try to speed up the process. I wouldn't touch anything for a week after that surgery I can't imagine after having a A deviated septum surgery and you've got all these I mean your nose you've got like gauze stuffed up your nose and they're trying to cloth those Cloth the blood and I you know you think about how often you see a power lifter get a bloody nose squatting and to squat real heavy one week after a surgery like that. I think I'd be That that doesn't seem wise. That didn't seem logical to me. So no, I think I'd start light I don't think I'd have a real hard val salva. I think I'd you know, how many times we thought a doctor was too aggressive That's like the first time in my life Yeah, all the tissue up in there is really vascular You know people get nose bleeds just when they sneeze sometimes, you know, and if you're going to have some work in there I'd lay off for Two or three weeks I think I would too like come play completely off if you want if you for a week for sure And like if you want to come back after a week or two and you want to start doing some real light Body weight stuff put a empty barbell on your back Depending on how much you squat Maybe you do 135 but like I wouldn't be pushing I wouldn't try I wouldn't reduce what you're working with by 10 and jump back in. I think that's a real bad idea Yeah, wait wait wait two or three weeks. I think and then he says well, how would you go back to training? um I assume that you're going to have a general anesthesia And I have found if you've undergone general There's something about it. Like, you know, those those drugs are toxic. They kill muscle cells and kill brain cells. I mean, it ain't good Uh, you're going to have to deload 15 percent minimum. I would say when people go under general It messes them up bad. I would agree I I think I would deload 50 percent And then just make, you know, like maybe jump 5 percent every workout you remember 50 55 60 65 70 75 So in you know in three weeks, you're back to where you were By jump, you know, something like that just to make sure everything is fine By the way, I just a quick note on that general. I said anesthesia Yeah, I've had a handful of surgeries and hernias and appendectomy and stuff like that The only time in my life that I think I was truly clinically depressed for about 10 days or two weeks was immediately after general anesthesia It screwed me up Like it was weird and I remember Rachel going, what is wrong with you? And I mean, I there was an I couldn't point to anything Other than the fact that I had gone I had gone under for this procedure And that was it. I mean, I dude, I was depressed. I couldn't point to it. I didn't know what it was I wasn't anxious. I wouldn't worry about I just wanted to crawl into a hole and die And it was and it was from general. I don't know. That's all that's all I can come up with is that it's from general anesthesia So it is nasty. I they take you to death's door as much as I can, you know They take you to death's door and then bring you back, you know, it's it's Yeah, you're you're you're you're dropping it 50% ain't wrong, you know fit, but General anesthesia is pretty tough. Even if even if you don't have trouble with bleeders in your nose and all that stuff Just just getting knocked out's bad James Wait a minute. Would you like me to read a review? Is it positive or negative? Oh, it's both Okay, then let's hear it Very good five stars Okay Scott is awesome super smart interesting opinions while Reynolds is obviously knowledgeable His personality doesn't always agree with me a little full of himself at times But listen every week and appreciate the content. Well, thank you. That's nice and probably accurate Yeah, and then and then then this other guy. He says Matt is cool. Scott believes he's much more intelligent than he is That is not that is not Scott is very intelligent Matt is also cool But also a little more full of myself So stupid Ah People are so nuts Again, it comes down to this thing. I have these podcasts that I love And I've heard a podcast that I hate and I've never written any of them. That's so odd To be fair, to be fair. I ask them to do it That is true. That is true. James says thanks for the great content He really enjoyed the great the getting started series. He says he's 42 5 11 and 190 pounds starting LP Where after a long layoff I had gotten to a 365 squat 400 deadlift, etc He says I've noticed that you never mention post workout stretches Are you not mentioning it because it is a given like the warm-up or do you really not find it necessary? Let's say at the same time three two one. We don't stretch. Yeah, not necessary Not necessary my oldest daughter started training with us again. Um, she had trained pretty hard LP last year and we all got in a tizzy and She stopped but she got back at it and and we went we went pretty darn light on her first session and um The next day she wasn't sore. Well the second day afterward she was pretty sore And uh, she came in the kitchen. She said, oh my god I think I made everything worse. So what are you talking about? She's like my legs are really sore. So I thought I would stretch And she's like it wrecked me. Yeah, and then uh, then we went out and squatted and after we got done She's like feel so much better you know He said also found it interesting this this sort of passive Voice that these people use there's something about it like it's not james's fault, but it just gets under my skin Sure also found it interesting sentence fragment also found it interesting that pull-ups and or rows are not included in the getting started series It's not interesting. We don't get people started with pull-ups and rows, but right that's kind of step two We we really thought about what we were doing Yeah, I mean it's really that like listen pull-ups and rows are pretty foundational But not so foundational that we start with them Right, it's that simple, right? So the getting started series does we don't do pull-ups and rows in the beginning We do the four main lifts. That's what we do in the beginning and eventually we'll add Pull-ups and rows at some point their chin-ups usually first Yeah, we're gonna have I want to have dudes chinning and rowing by a week six or so Yeah, maybe maybe usually a week one maybe later Uh, he says, um Finally on my last round through lp. I felt what I got okay strong stronger than I've ever been But when I tried an incline bitch, it was so weak. I found it concerning Yeah, it's novelty, man. It's novelty, right? So it's like, uh, you know, it's it's just I remember we did a Uh, the podcast last week, uh about kind of getting into strongman and playing with some strongman I remember I was a 700 pound deadlifter The first time I ever tried a strongman stone and I can remember that a 230 pound strongman stone almost killed me To try to get a 230 pound stone onto a platform and they're like, how's that even possible? It's the novelty of the lift, right? I can't incline anything anymore. It just tears my shoulders up. I can't I can't incline So, you know, it doesn't mean it's not strong. It means that you're not used to the movement Here's another here's a better example I've I've been at times in my life a pretty decent presser and bench presser And I used to work with when I was a strength coach At the high school I'd work with the throwing team. I always thought it'd be cool to throw Right throw shot throw discus. It's a cool sport and plus like The practices are easy and you get to live in the athlete dorms and eat the good food and stuff And so, you know, I had a way higher bench press as did my training partner Johnny gold at the time Then who was a coach then any of our any of our throwers and I'm talking we're talking about some big boys Some boys that were 260 270 280 and they might have had bench presses of 300 315 330 But we had bench presses of like 430 Johnny had won 485 Those guys could throw shot the high school kids way further than john and I could Yeah, is it because they were stronger than us? No, it's because There's a novelty to the movement. It takes a while to learn the technique And I think if you started to play around with with your incline, then you would find the same thing Now here's an interesting thing that I've noticed Everybody bench presses more than they overhead press. Yep Your incline is going to be somewhere between the two. Yep If you think about laying on the bench like you're going to bench press and your arms vertical That you got a right angle between your chest and your arm. Yep And then if you're standing and pressing It's a 180 degree angle between your arm and your chest, right the incline somewhere in between there Yep So will the weight be? Yeah, that's exactly right. It's fine. It's fine And if you practice it, it'll go up a little bit But it's never going to be heavier than your bench press and it's going to be something less than your than your press press Over higher than your press press lower than your bench press. Can we start calling it the press press? I like the press press. Let's do that I like it Michael says First of all, thank you guys for educating those of us interested in You're welcome It says I'm 511 247 pounds. My squat is 350 for a three by five press is 180 for a Three by five benching 250 400 for a set of five Okay, guys. Um, it says How does it sound like i'm doing Sounds like you're strong man Yeah, it sounds like you're real strong at 511 and 247 You don't say you don't see how old you are here But I'd want to have a conference call a little phone call consult with you And uh, maybe talk about your waistline. That's exactly what I was gonna say waist measurement Let's just see let's look at health metrics. Yeah, look at you look at your waistline Um, maybe we would we would talk about that but we would talk about next goals It might be bring the waist down enter your first meet You know something, you know, you're at a crossroads would be my guess, but it sounds like you're doing very well Yes Um proud of you doing good there. Michael. Let's see here. I got another one here Where the heck was it? These are all emails that were sent to the wrong email address Okay, we had to forward them from no, they were kind of in the hole. They weren't even forwarded Jared says curious of matt as part of online great books Also curious where matt and scott disagree as it relates to theological views worldviews philosophical Etc. This may take an entire podcast, but I'd like to hear it I'm not an online great books and I would really we disagree on everything. That's what I responded to him That's I would really like to be in online great books In fact, like there is a time coming when I really want to do the thing Um, I don't know if you guys have ever have heard about this But I'm I'm running a business that continues to grow so fast And I'm just trying to keep my head above water not drown And so uh and and the problem is is that I understand I've read a lot of books And I've also dabbled a little bit with the books even in going to scott and and brett's uh In person the thing that basically launched it on the great books tonight tonight you guys are meeting and uh It's it's not the same thing as reading as reading the effective executive It's not and then you know, I read some business books that are tough. It doesn't Sniff a candle to Aristotle or to Thomas Aquinas or or whatever. I mean, it's it's tough So, you know, I'm not in it yet, but I need to do it. I really want to do it You know Trent Trent joined us pretty trance in there with us. Yeah And in jordan too and we were talking the other day and he you know, he trains hard barbells You know and works his butt off and everything he said This is harder Yeah, I know That's that's the reason so the real answer is is I just pushed out and I haven't it it's it's it's hard And it's really frustrating. You know and when you get As you do it People can't see it You know, there's like if you get real strong like man, I hadn't seen you in a while. You're got you know Gosh, you got great big you look jack, you know, blah, blah, blah We don't get the the kind of the feedback from it that you would from white training and it's uh It's tough. It's tough You know on the like on the disagreements with theology and stuff like that Like there's a lot of stuff that we disagree on but I think the main point there is that The reason scott and I get along I think About a lot of that stuff is because we're we both think about it enough to have an opinion That has required some significant amounts of thought You know We I struggle with people who believe what mom and dad taught them to believe and have never questioned or read or thought Or use logic or wisdom and we are both very logical wise Not wise, but we use logic and reason reasons a better word to try to think about those things And so yeah while we don't exactly see eye to eye on all that stuff Um That's not really the goal right the goal is to figure out. No, the goal is to get you to see eye to eye with me That's the goal of that is the goal of online great books is to get every single person in ogb to see eye to eye Exactly with scott handbrake. No, no, no my goal in life is just to get you to agree with me Oh, it's to get me specifically I got you. Yeah, you know my instagram feeds nuts I know it's nuts and there's a lady don't agree with it. She's like, oh my gosh is this is you know Is the goal of online great books like the same as your you know, I'm like, no, it's not like I don't lead any of the seminars Right You know, it's just to get you people to read that's all right and then participate I don't lead any of the seminars. I just kind of I just operate the thing You know, I don't have any expected outcome there whatsoever except that you know that people people actually do it Uh, Thomas says a big fan of the show, especially the med series He says you often talk about where lifters should be at various stages based on the age weight height Etc. I wonder what the data versus antidotes would show any commentary would be necessary what would be appreciated So it's interesting. There's an interesting background to this. I don't know that you know this yet scott But we hired a we hired a guy's names. Greg works for us. He's a a legit Statistician he's a he's an analyst for us And so we now have data by the way, we crossed over did you see me? I don't know if you saw this post that I made on slack the other day. We crossed over 1 million Prime exercises since we launched the online coaching So 1 million squats, deadlifts bench presses and presses Since we launched and we're at 370,000 workouts Uh, which is pretty crazy and we have data for every single every single one of those And so figuring out we can actually we can actually see what the data says now We put in any demographic we want right so you could be like I want a 35 year old male in the pacific northwest That's whatever 510 and weighs between 175 185 what are their numbers 32 workouts in boom We've got we can extrapolate that data Which is pretty cool. So we're going to start publishing a lot more of that because Nobody else has ever been able to get access to that data and we've got a we've got an amount of data now that we can pull So, uh, I'm I'm sure who's this? What's the what's the emailer's name here? I don't know. I deleted it Okay, sir, whatever your name was I'm sure you're right. There's probably some places. I'm I'm certain in fact There's some places where we are probably off a little bit anecdotally and the data will show that and uh, at some point that You're are you shaking your head now? Well, I mean, yeah, it will but the thing is, you know This is going to make it Almost every single person mad the data doesn't matter because it doesn't actually tell you anything Well, it tells the data matters to the company us It shouldn't matter to you personally In how you compare yourself to other people So if you're like, well, all the other guys that are 35 and are my height and weight are lifting this and I'm more or less That means I'm better or worse. No, it doesn't it actually comes back to the very first thing we talked about PRs man, that's what matters is go out keep hitting PRs. It doesn't matter what you like what You know, I'm at like we we have these people that that are that train with us that have all sorts of Like physical abnormalities. You have people who have like hip replacements and knee replacements and polio They're missing an arm and they got fused back or they they got spondy in their back or they've I mean all kinds of weird stuff, you know And and you just can't compare like those people have to go out and set prs too And so just go and set prs like the the point is that you get stronger and so This uh, this idea listen, I get being a 22 year old kid wanting to compete at strength sports and compare yourself against other 22 year old kids But at some point you're 35 or 40 or 45 or beyond And don't you realize the value of what we do is in actually just getting strong and improving your quality life and not To put the ribbon around your neck and wear the metal and say like hey, I'm better than everybody else or I'm worse or It just doesn't matter And You know a couple weeks ago somebody said uh went to the doctor and I got my labs back and they said this Yeah, and he gave us an interpretation. He didn't actually say what the numbers were in the labs Right, and I'm no doctor, but me and you both almost simultaneous. We said your labs. Don't say that. That's right. That's right and and in terms of stats This guy also asked a question about using stat statistics to drive programming Changes Right. No, um unless it's stats for for that person I love taking stats for that individual person And I can say you know back when I coached you I could look at you your training history and look at the stats of your training history How you train and that would help influence future programming Yeah But outside of that like where's the where's the help? Well Maybe we could get a bunch of statistical information about what a midweek deloads It does at the end of the LP sure and but But it doesn't matter because there still has to be an interpretive The interpretive work done and then there has to be There has to be new tests devised and the and and you never get at the truth You never get at the truth. This is this whole sort of reddit mindset sources right The experience is paramount. You know You know what a syllogism is out there listener you say all men are mortals Socrates is a man Therefore Socrates is immortal you can use deductive reasoning to prove If you have a solid, you know syllogism like that you can prove stuff to a dead certainty make it perfect We can prove That Socrates is immortal but In this induction thing, which is really what the scientific method is You can't actually prove anything Like I can't prove to you that if I drop a ball it's going to fall Now we've dropped a million balls and they always fell right, but I can't prove to you that the next one's not going to fall Now we're going to pretend like we know and we're going to proceed in that way But almost every single thing that I'm making air quotes here science has ever said was wrong And almost every single thing that science right now is telling us is wrong Like Ptolemy said the universe looked like this Copernicus said it looked like that Galileo said it looked different Newton said it acted in a different way Einstein said something else everything that everybody has said has been proven wrong You were supposed to take fish oil now. You're not you were supposed to eat a baby asper now You're not almost everything they've ever said was wrong and whatever they're telling you right now Is wrong too It's our best guess Right, there are gradations of wrongness sure Newton was less wrong than Ptolemy That's right But quit acting like it's the gospel and think quit acting like you're actually going to get a fucking answer because you're not No, I think you know, I do think data is interesting and I think there's stuff We like we're doing all kinds of fun stuff with the data, but To say that hey because the data shows this We are going to specifically or not just specifically, but we are certain that we can program for user this way That's we know that's not true Right, really what the data shows is what the middle of the bell curve is anyway, right? It's it, you know It shows trends it shows trend lines We can use it to say hey what we've seen is Is when a client misses four workouts in a row four workouts in a row They become big time red flag for like becoming m. I. A. or quitting right So that's a way we can use data then to reach like so at three workouts missed or two workouts missed We elevate the communication out to our clients to say like okay We have a we have a potential red flag coming Let's nip that in the bud and help them get back on the horse after after a couple workouts Miss instead of after four or whatever that number isn't so we can use it that way And you might be entirely wrong because the whole in business climate has changed like your data You had about four week whatever sure now knows right now those people don't have access to a gym Maybe they're actually just of course right so Yeah, I don't know. I just got a supplement to Logic and reason and experience we use experience logic and reason first When the data helps continue to like oh, we're like oh, this is interesting That's you know supports that it makes sense But the problem is that you get with this idea of like scientism is the people that say Without without the sources source question mark sources data question mark like where are those things and therefore Therefore it isn't real. It isn't true There's no like you know like you know If I drop a ball 10,000 times in a row and it goes straight down sources Like where are the sources that prove that the bottom? Yeah, the science scientism is out of control and and be clear like we're not anti science and we're not anti data We're actually like i'm pro both. I I like that stuff. It's really interesting stuff But it's not my religion. You remember like in the seventh or eighth grade and they're like, here's the scientific method You design a experiment or to get controls. I mean when I need to strap I want to add on the end of that We have to have an actual technological or engineering application of the thing Before we accept it as a theory. Sure. If it doesn't keep the bridge from falling down Or the airplane in the sky or whatever have a practical technological application or engineering application We don't hang our hat on it. It's it's it's still well even then I remember. What is the word? If we even if we do it's a theory, right? We accept it as a theory, which doesn't mean we've accepted it as absolute fact It's not our standard for theory that we've tested that appears to to be right But it's still just an appearance. It's not a you know, it's not a plant your flag in it Our standard for theory is too. It's too low. I think yeah, I want to add to the end of the scientific method Anthony says really enjoyed the show How much stock do you as coaches put into volume prs versus weight prs? I understand what he's saying. Yeah, I do too Now I think I think he's well, let's let's so first off There are Right now in the middle of covet 19 where I can't necessarily increase the intensity for a lot of my clients We're just keeping things like volume prs or tonnage prs because they only have a 35 pound kettlebell So I have to do it for as many, you know, or we keep frequency prs or and listen, that's not nearly as fun But I think there's times when it's valuable. I think the next most valuable piece of data To to bring it back to the last question after weight on the bar is tonnage Which is the combination of weight on the bar and volume And then you can go to things like volume, but the problem with volume We've talked about this before as its own like okay. I hit a new I hit a new 20 rep max on x Well, that doesn't carry over to strength like that's not it's not specific enough It's not that, you know, specific adaptation of imposed demands like how how what is the demand of a 20 rep max on anything muscle endurance You know How how much you can fight through lactate build up and you know the the bullshit of like horrible pain of glycolysis going real Like that's it's not strength And so and so that's the problem with just volume prs now what I do have volume prs is like on chins Which which is weight right so I'll have somebody like maybe they can do Maybe they can do a set of three And a and a double and a single so they hit they hit Six reps total the next workout. I'm going to say hit eight reps Don't care how many in as few sets as possible And we're going to go 10 reps or maybe just 11 or what or you know, whatever and go up And so that would be ways that I might use the volume to drive Increases something like a chin I care about tonnage Although I don't have to count it very much because I do the meds right And and I always want to follow one of our rules, which is you know stress goes up So it's always going to be heavier So I know as long as I'm making the proper med change the tonnage is always going up But I will track three by five by five one by five one by eight Um, I don't really care about anything bigger than than that Like a 10 rep pr. I'm case or three sets of 10 right now He's kind of in a he's in a let's let his joints rest a little bit and it sucks and he's just but you know We're getting some volume in and That's terrible. Yeah, it sucks. I don't want to do it But I'm programming for him not much longer actually he's down to eights now, but he's been on tens for a while Man, I think that's a show. That's good. Let's wrap her up But but I want everybody to go do this go do this I've been asking you and now I'm telling you Go to go to Spotify Pick out one of our one of our shows that is your favorite And you can hit the share button and you can share it to your instagram story I think that's the best way for you to pass it to somebody else And and help and help us grow our listener base. That's what we need you to do because we don't we don't charge you anything You're all our freeloaders. Yeah, and let's be clear Like we're we are currently in negotiations with Spotify. I don't know if you guys heard Joe Rogan just sold his entire library to Spotify yesterday for a hundred million dollars. And so Um, they're also negotiating with us. 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I don't see how that stuff makes any sense, man I don't worry about that as much as you know, good for Joe, by the way good for Joe Good for Joe Rogan 100 million dollars and mother fucker cashed out He had enough anyway By the way, Jared Was it Jared that asked this question? Here's a perfect example of one of the main things that Scott I would disagree on I'm like, dude, that guy has had that he's had the most influential podcast in the world. Does he have enough money? Yes, he does Spotify gave him a hundred million dollars. I say take it and run I'd keep podding my way, you know Spotify is one of the first people that started that de-platformed Alex Jones. There have been others. Are you sure that that was Spotify? Yeah Yeah, I yeah, I'm 98 percent sure. I'm not looking at now. I'm not here's the deal. I don't only say this Joe's not dumb And the kind of stuff that wait a minute. Well Joe's not dumb dude when it comes to business like I don't think Joe's got a IQ of 160 Joe got a hundred million dollars. That's all Joe knows and Joe don't give a shit about whether all that There's a clause in there that says they absolutely under no circumstances can They have no editorial control over over his stuff Yeah, I bet there's a social media company and a In a streaming service that says they have no editorial control. You're kidding me. There's no way They'll let him say anything that he wants on his platform. You're the insane one now You know, some of my favorite rogan shows are like the ones with jones or graham Hancock He's like this crazy guy that talks about like These geological like catastrophes in north america like in the now, you know, he's a crazy guy, right? But I just love that stuff. It's so fun. Interesting. You know, these guys don't think like normal people You're not you're gonna see less of that On his show Yeah, Spotify's gonna be like, I think he'd be really good if you had Billy Eilish on your show because she would bring this demographic And he's gonna be just having just stupid shit on his show It'll be I mean, you may be right. I may be wrong. You take the ticket That's what happens. Yep. I agree Yeah, I gosh, he's making so much money just out of his warehouse. He's like, yeah, I want an extra 100 Don't get it man. I get it. I get it joe. You get that squirrel by the nut All right, that's it. No the squirrel they got him the squirrel get you by the nut That's not how it works, right All right, let's wrap it up. Hey, listen, I'm holding it in a poop and my tushy's calling my name I got to get in there and do my business and then and then get a little butt wash and freshen up Hey guys, thanks for listening. 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