 And welcome to the last blog Thursday of the year because there's no more Thursdays left in the year This is number 363 Greetings from all over the place. What's up? Looking forward to trying out net bird now that iOS app is out. Yes That was actually on they just released it So it it was relevant. I think it was like released today or yesterday But it was released within a pretty short period of time. So yes, that is you know for people looking to try that Definitely something to look forward to you turn Off all the things that make noise. I was setting up, you know, it's just not a view but we pull it up here This is a project. I was working on the upgrade to my office That's actually what the picture is and it's not finished But it's almost finished and more stuff arrived to that I needed to put on there So this is what it looks like right now. It has stuff It's not how I want it yet, but it's getting there. This is one of those things I do I I get in build mode in my head like I have to build something new and I built this bench. It's like 48 by 72 Very solid and then I was actually standing on it. No problem when I was using it I had to mount a few things so I can jump up on it. I don't worry about it wiggling at all but it's another IKEA bench and let me actually Show you probably another view. Well, this is another view of it But I really like building things out of these IKEA countertops essentially this is how I end up building out my Studio these this is what makes up my desk as well is the same thing So if you've seen my studio tour it seems this and once this is finished by probably tomorrow I might do an updated home lab studio walkthrough of how things are set up in here There's still lots of miscellaneous things that need to be picked up But this is I wanted this they have an easier place That's in the same room as me to do my testing and it was getting messy doing my testing in the other room So that's one of the projects. I've been working on Let's see greetings from the whales in the UK. Oh The Caribbean there sounds like a nice warm place Thanks for the coverage this year cheers from mid Europe. Awesome Ah as I started I asked the times you know my phone stream says already started. I just started Let's see here Merry Christmas from whales the bearded IT dad Building a bench Let's see here I feel like home labbers will move to net birds since it has an official self-hostable control plane Yeah, I think it's going to be very and and it's from them officially. It's not third party. It's not something Reverse engineering it its first party and well done. I am impressed with how nice it is It's just a nice setup. The interface was easy. The deployment was simple Um, it's documented like these are all the things that one asked for in a self-hosted control plane Hope you know hope you and the family had a wonderful Christmas and going into the year many good blessings Happy holidays everyone. Thank you very much Hello to everyone Go lions. Well, I don't watch much sport ball But I heard that the line my neighbors do and I was hanging out with my neighbors and they said the sport balls going Well for the lions. So I think that's a good go lions uh statement there this is uh This is also it's funny because they were Or I may find a picture of it When I do hang out with my neighbors, this is what we do. This is uh This is me and my neighbor Building a giant fire in his yard This is and they were watching sport ball. I just wanted to play in the fire So this is what tom does on this day off, but they were watching lions They have the lions came on in the uh in their garage where you can see it Haven't watched video yet. You plan on making a summary now um, I am waiting because I actually if you're referring to the overlay vpn the I'm going to make a dedicated video for the people at uh net bird but not until they release their new interface So I think that um, their new interface is going to be Really nice. It looks good. They sent me a little preview like some screenshots and I said, hey, that looks awesome I was going to let me know when it's released But I gave enough information of how to set it up and it's so easy to set up. It barely needs a tutorial I will I just want to use it more so I have some more in-depth knowledge on it as well Try and upgrade xcp and g to 8.3. I'm only through ash rock rec. Uh, what could go wrong all kinds of fun things That's a definite thing there Favorite product of 2023 xcp and g Speaking of shore planes, how does uh, how does it difference in a warguard? It controls the traffic port net, etc That's I have a whole video on overlay vpns. That's probably a better start from there um, the thing is Wireguard is just Putting keys in with no real management. So all the overlay vpns that also implement wire guard actually give you some user management That's one of the big advantages of using them I feel like net bird peer-to-peer discovery might be a tablet better I don't find it doesn't use industry standard things the same tech point users who knows uh, I don't think there's Peer-to-peer It's not really peer-to-peer discovery. It's the coordination server figuring out everything That is available to it to be able to get the peers connected It figures out where the peers are and discovers how to get those peers talking to each other For a small office. We do not set up virtualization all the time It comes down the client needs not not everybody gets virtualization. It's just not for everyone um It was not released today, but what was released is a new version of zen orchestra I think the blog post is up Nope, it's not I don't know why it's not up By tomorrow, they'll have the blog post up for the newest zen orchestra They they have a video they do where they talk about the updates and then a day later. They release the blog post Hoping to be in my studio space in the house going into Smalls bedroom To the 16 by 6 extension for the homeland production studio with a 20 by 10 green screen awesome Greetings from just north of kalamazoo. I'm ben the kalamazoo in a minute. It's a nice out there How hard is it to update xo if you compile it yourself? Do you need to compile it every time? Uh, yes, but it's not hard matter of fact. We can do that. Let's Do it live as they say We'll pull this up Because why not update it we'll share a screen and we'll do an update to There it seems like an easy thing to talk about Uh, net you net bird uses web rt. They use a lot of things. They use wire guard There's a lot of all the stuff is detailed out in their github I don't remember if web rt sees in the list or not. I didn't dive into every protocol used The I focused on the transport layer, which is wire guard Happy holidays. Thanks for the content Uh, do you have any users customers that were impacted by the ubiquity security camera bug to show other use systems? None to my knowledge at least none reached out to me. So I am unaware Of any of them that have the problem And I gotta remember what ip addresses that That's not it There it is It's all those details Uh, I think what is the user we'll go lts. I think that's right user Once I figure out the username I will Dean 16 dot 20 Hey Now I gotta figure out the root password Hey, I figured it out now. I gotta share screen Let's see. How do I get this to easily share? This looks good Then we'll do present Stop present Uh window There we go Oh, I have a password manager. I just don't have this in the password manager I need I I I know it's only one of two passwords because it doesn't have the most secure password on that's why I was typing it Uh, one's less same tucky Xavier wish you guys doing something together you guys, uh, I know you guys Yeah, Xavier his work schedule doesn't allow much it seems for as much fun as he used to I spent an hour today trying to okay upgrade XO slow Ah upgrade XO from sources long to short got to your forums And made it was easy. Yes Um, first let's do this Let's get this system up to date to make sure it's fully updated We're going through the whole process here of updating from source It's pretty simple Yeah, the demo stuff doesn't necessarily have um The best so we're going to do a git pull All right Is it Now this is already has it on here. We're just doing an update And uh, we choose option two And watch it go. There we go. It's updating Pretty simple That's how you update from sources Uh, do you have the source from script or do you do it manually? I think there's a script for upgrading as well Yeah, I've this I've done a video on this if you type in XO source in a youtube search in my channel. You will find the video Detailing how I did this. I'm gonna make a new one because the youtube algorithm I could actually just re upload the same one, but it is three years old They've added a couple new features. So I'll do a new video on it I almost did that today, but I wanted to get the overlay vpn network done And Then I'll do a video on this topic. Maybe I'll do it tomorrow because this is a short video It's not hard to do. It's not hard to install these from sources. It's extremely simple and it's uh It's I don't know just do you watch me do it right here live on the screen It's going to take about I should have opened up another like tmux this and opened up another one in there, but yeah that's It's pretty much um Almost done right now It won't it does not take long on my system to do this any leaks from the So the xo Light is what the new ui looks like that's the they've got it if you look at their design They've covered how it works and how it's set up. That's all inside their blog So there's not really any leaks you have to find. Uh, they cover their whole design aesthetic and how they're doing everything on there Do do do so waiting it this part always takes a little while because it's uh building So running the installation Can I open up on our tab here? Yes, I can It's still building Oh, it's done now but So it's not pulling the CPU waiting for port to be open And we're going to be on the latest build removing Delays to done that's it. That's all you got to do to update to the latest version. No, it's not complicated Is this released for the paid version as well or only source? Uh, if you do the paid version, this is automated You don't need to do this with the paid version with the paid version it automatically updates itself You well, you can tell it to auto update essentially You don't have to worry about this if you have the paid version That's one of the advantages of the paid version But I do these from source versions because I like to encourage homeland people to use this Because it's the same software. Matter of fact, you're a little bit ahead if you're using the from sources You're going to get a slightly newer commit but if you're Doing it from the Paid version you're going to get a stable commit. Matter of fact, they have two different release channels You can get more aggressive on a release channel, but default you're a little bit behind so it gets a little bit more tested But it's you can change that Yeah, that's another thing there when I did my earlier video. There's no x o light. So now that there's an x o light That will have to be mentioned as well worth noting to On this topic So you guys use email aliases. Yes. No I mean, yes, there's a lot of aliases I have that go it's how I organize my email For example, when I tell people to we'll pull this up real quick as a banner If I say hey email us at vlog. There's the alarm system.com. That's not a dedicated mailbox That's an alias that goes into a special folder. So I don't have to filter anything Out and also people have a hard time spelling vlog thursday Because I have another catchall box and I see all the misspellings of vlog thursday I don't Bother replying to the people who can't spell vlog thursday. Maybe I should I don't know Maybe i'm not being nice by doing that What up son Oh, you didn't know that was Oh, yeah, my son's admiring my handiwork over here Yeah, are you fresh back from hell? No, I'm from target. Oh back from well, that's a different you're went to target. That's a different form of hell You just came to say hi. Yep. All right. Bye. Bye Uh, let's see Morning chat and morning christmas morning. So you're you're on the other side of the planet if it's morning because it's evening here Latest table never had a issue. Yeah Yeah Catch all the normal address seem to mean what provider to use g. I have G-suite for google workspace. I want to call it g-suite. That's what they used to call it It is now referred to as google workspace Yes, different kind of hell I have several throwaway email accounts to some fan members so they can have xbox accounts Well, this leads me to another problem. I run into a lot. I don't have a solution for it Well, I do but people don't like my solution. I should say so it's not that there isn't one It's just not a happy solution people try to sign up with anonymous disposable email addresses in my forums and I probably believe there are people who do this with the Best of intentions because they just don't want their email somewhere But I don't have a solution for those people because every time I let anonymous email addresses in the majority of the people That do it seem to be spammers. So I've just decided I've had enough of spam in my forums So I don't let anonymous email addresses sign up anymore This is upset many people, but I don't have a solution I've been told I'm not respecting people's privacy, but I'm like Tell me how to allow people in my forums, but not have spam Until I have a solution for that my forums when you sign up Let's let you know if you have an anonymous email address I just delete it in I have a checker to see the mail relay being used That's how I figure out if they're anonymous because you can actually buy a domain and point it at anonymous email addresses as well I follow the mx records and figure out where they're landing and then it tells me and then I delete them I got no solution for that. So CNWR does use 365 so I still have launch systems.com on g-suite CNWR.com is on office 365 Any reason to use an overlay VPN over a good old wire guard docker container? It all comes down to use case the advantage you have of using an overlay network is As you wander around networks, you never have to worry about whether or not wire guard will be accessible It if you don't have a public IP address that becomes an even bigger deal This is where tail scale is really nice that even if you don't have public IPs. You can have tail scale figure out Or net bird Figure out how to get the two devices talking to each other without public IP addresses being involved That's one of the big advantages of it is the simplicity of using it So i've been using tail scale for quite a while Because it doesn't seem to care Where my laptop wanders whether i'm here or another area That is not my office or not my studio and as long as I have internet connection I can tunnel everything right back out very simply With that and if my home IP address, which I don't have a static home IP if it changes Then it'll still figure it out. I never had to really do anything about it. So just really nice Yeah, the teleport VPN is really an overlay style network. So that's definitely a uh Cool feature hello from france human or spam bot. I have no idea Uh I have legit emails for disk rich forums because of that. Yeah Should I put an ad blocker on iot network? I wouldn't Still using semi on proc mail to manage on my home email. Yes. I'm just old Yeah, I finally gave up on doing that. It just it's not the inbound that was ever a problem I'm good at using proc mail and everything else to filter it. The problem is the outbound is hard and Really the options are using something like send grid or there's a couple other I think it's send grid and mail gun are two popular ones But getting your email out is the challenge and it got to be more of a hassle than I wanted to deal with I was using mail hop years ago and finally someone blocked mail hop and it caused me a headache and I said I need to get invoices out. So I moved all my Um, maybe 2016 ish. I moved everything over to G suite and yeah, that was that's what solved it um Why not use s o g o? I don't know what s o g o is open source groupware It's it's the email problem the biggest one and since I'm using it for email the only thing I really use google for I have some documents in there. Uh I use it for documents. I use it for Mail I'm not I guess I use the calendar as well It's one of those don't want to deal with the security problems related to trying to self host things when you share a lot of Documents with other people. It's just not a big deal What if your internal land overlaps with your target land? Well that problem gets solved when you're doing things with Overlay networks because it adds an extra adapter I personally use duck.co's email aliasing service. Uh, obviously not important stuff enables them to read your email They promise they don't do it, but you know how it is. Yeah Yeah, next cloud's another headache Keeping next cloud up to date and having documents public facing I I don't know maybe in the future now that I'm It's less of an issue for me because I don't really have that many people I email or manage anymore because Launch systems is dedicated to the media side of the business But when it was launch systems doing the it side of the business There was no I I didn't feel secure using any other stuff out there like that not not in Uh, there's too many documents. I didn't want to worry about a breach from having someone finding a flaw in next cloud Or one of the tools on there. So Well, the thing I trust google for is not to have Shared my documents with other people. I trust that google likes keeping information to themselves and for themselves They I will not say that they're good on privacy I will say they're good at keeping what they know about you within the realms of what they know about you They don't allow third parties access to it because that's their business model Slipping up all your data and not sharing it with anyone else Dato has their own line of network gear and sdn. Yeah, that's because dato Uh, what was that company called? Open something Dato acquired another company years and years ago I'd actually tested out the products and I didn't like the fact that they were cloud only and the problem with them being cloud only was Well, the problem with dato dato bought the company and got rid of the control plane So all your devices kind of went bye-bye Open mesh that was the one I've heard lots of bad things about them Well, dato's owned by kaseya. That's enough to make me never want to touch a single thing. They ever do again But dato's networking. I've heard wasn't good even before kaseya bought them Trying to work out how landcache can achieve windows updates without ssl inspection Um, I don't know. I don't use landcache. So it's not something I looked into I don't even know how good landcache works anymore Generally, you want to just run a windows update server To if you care about caching it With the network self-hosted controller, do you need at least one static ip? Yes You have to have one publicly available ip address for the controller Email archiving solution. Nope. I leave them all in g-suite. I have a copy of them in my synology Synology does a good job of backing up emails You know when I tested the old forever ago open mesh now, I'm curious Someone I'm curious how long ago I tested open mesh Because I should be I should have an email of that How old is my open mesh? last Time I touched an open mesh was 2018, but I think it's not long after that that the thing went away That's not when I started using it. That's hold on. What's my oldest? Yeah, at least 2018, but they were bought before then Uh, ever use sonic wall switches. I don't like anything sonic wall makes I can't imagine I don't like their firewalls I can't imagine her switches are any better If I have thousands of photos and videos wanting to put on sure-nest data set just a normal vdev pool fast enough Or should I metadata sd mere? um If it's tens of thousands and you want it to index faster Indexing faster is what you'll get out of a metadata. That's it. You're not going to get much else But like when you do a directory You're going to go like, you know or an ls command to see all the files If you have 10,000 small files that command will go faster with a metadata drive But that's you know, that's really it I'm sitting at my own home lab. I have a psn firewall behind a proxmox with Behind it a proxmox with a hosting server or press websites to need email notifications to work on the sites any suggestions You find an outbound mail provider. I would try a send grid like I mentioned earlier um, I think there's one of them and I use mail gun So mail gun is I'll just so I'm gonna drop a link in here They're a good service. I've been using that's how my forums operate on the back end is mail gun You just got to find and set up all your Mail records and demarcation and everything so you can use mail mark as a sender for the domains Have I ever heard a cipp? um Well Me and kelvin are friends. So he's definitely talked about it a few times So yes, matter of fact, uh me and kelvin hung out. I love whenever he comes to the united states He is a friend. He's a I know him through jason slagal him and jason slagal have known each other even longer Uh, but kelvin's amazing. He runs cyber drain and of course is the author of cipp Off topic migrated pf sense from ontango hover when using open vpn my pixel over the mobile network. It's sometimes issues Has issues accessing local nodes on my network wi-fi always works well Not sure Using open vpn on my pixel. I don't use open vpn on there Uh net bird is definitely way better than net maker net maker doesn't have any phone support and net maker is way more complicated I I didn't I I mentioned it in a video I just published but I did not do a deep dive on it because I don't plan to I watched part of the video on open Awesome open source who did a video and it's linked in my forums So if you want to watch someone who has done a tutorial on it But I looked at it and said it's kind of complicated and when I spent some time in the forums People were complaining about updates breaking the system and causing them to have to rejoin Systems to it. So I don't I feel like it's still a very beta product Uh synology does have an email backup program Yep, w s us the windows update server is the best solution for that There aren't del del switches suck. Uh, what do you use for radius? I have free radius built into my pf sense if that's the question you're asking Sanebox or another email help me tool. Uh, I'm partial to using this Share screen chrome tab I really like mx toolbox. That's my go-to for testing Uh email problems. They just solid for doing that Another people voting for mail ground and sent mail gun and send grid that both are good Favorite vpn on pf sense when using your phone probably wire guard Wireguard or tail scale tail scales with my go-to because it just works What other than asking your isp is the best way to get a static ip well Your isp is the only one who can give you one other than if you want to spend something up in the cloud So you're gonna have to get that from your um internet provider You love the content you say i'm a wonderful asset. Thank you very much Uh, what can we expect the next hot sauce video as there are more employees now there are more employees c and w are good question I have actually Had to cut back on the hot sauces because they've caused me some digestive issues So I have not talked much about the hot sauce because I have not been consuming it as much which is unfortunate I really like hot sauce Does your net data dashboard display information for your individual application Containers and scale might only seem to show overall host machine info about net data container itself Um, probably not if I had to guess Oh look, but it probably I don't think you can see them Let's log in and look web portal continue My guess is Nope, it doesn't it doesn't see all the different containers. Oh, well the answer is it does not I'm not sure if there's an option to allow it to or not Just spit the bullet on tailscale couldn't get s to s working with two open wrt boxes tailscale is so damn simple it is So as you store photos and videos and docs in a separate ssd pool looking up great at 10 gig unify switches for true national personal computer I I'm editing videos at 10 gig on a spinning rust pool. So Yes, you you don't have to put them on an ssd if you have a handful of drives and we'll go here to my storage So this is my ssd pool called flashy And my rusty pool, which is eight drives and nine terabytes has no problem editing 10 gig videos So my videos are all stored on go to the data sets themselves Here's my whole video archive. It's going about four terabytes on this drive right now. And yeah, it's it's fine It works. You don't have to use a ssd pool. You'll be surprised how fast these are If you have an awc count, you can set up simple email services and email usage based on for most going pennies a month. Okay um What what do you host most of your stuff to your nasty k3 separate vm for docker? uh xcp ng is the best way I can answer that for things I mean, some things are hosted in the linoad my website's in linoad. Oh I'm gonna I forgot to mention this at the beginning of the video I did update my site some more And added a few more channels If we go to the Things we love page. I've added more things on here. So if you want to check this out I've got more youtube channels. I've been adding to the recommendation So I'll throw a link in here for anyone wants to just see what other youtube channels I Find have valuable tech content I thought about making a list of the retro channels because that became a discussion I linked in with some friends today a lot of Retro channels are definitely something I like watching at night but I think most retro bites is I might even listen on a retro bites has just got some really solid history channel Stuff that I love like they covered all kinds of histories of different computer technologies Maybe I'll add that one on there Uh, looking at gi net travel y5 writer has wire guard open vpm built in with open brt Do you have any thoughts on these type of travel routes? I don't understand the use for travel routers I'm weird. I have a vpn on my phone. I have a vpn on my laptop I don't bring anything else with me besides my phone on my laptop. That's that's why I don't know what I need a router for I Maybe I'm missing something or my use case is more limited when I travel and Go to a hotel I just connect to their wi-fi and then I tunnel my vpn to My office and I'm happy I don't understand Like people really get it's it's obviously a really big topic if people have asked me to do videos on it Then I challenge doing a video is understanding a use case for it of why I would want a travel router people Chris just did a video. It's clearly a popular topic a christian cross talk solutions um Ooh, well, I don't know if I'm I am not sure if I'm qualified enough 45 drives has the best videos out there on sef I plan to do a sef video at some time, but I would not consider myself a source on that The experts are really 45 drives Thank you. I think it requires an update. We can rate each individual app. Um No, I think that data has to be integrated at the base level the os then it can see everything under it better That's my guess Have you tried the xo light interface? Uh, do you know when updates in orchestra update interface is coming out excited to roll out Sometime next year. I don't have a date for when they'll come out with a new interface on that With a two server setup web db payload you recommend xcp and g true naster both xcp g in a cluster A website peak roughly 100 concurrent users I mean that's 100 users is not a lot but it kind of depends on what the website's running 100 users on wordpress is really easy I only have myself um I'm trying to think I think there's only two cores on mine My system is so minimal that runs my wordpress site and it gets Thousands of visitors a day and has no problems. So it kind of depends on what it's running scoping a system based on very Little details is hard. You have to understand the application that's running on it and how intensive that application is Yes, the hover hosting problems have been resolved. Uh, that was a confusing problem Hover doesn't know how my account got switched. I have a feeling an employee was involved that Probably changed my account to use email Which I don't understand why they had the 2fa. It's all back on normal 2fa now. So I thought hover switched it hover said um They don't know why it was switched. It was confusing and but it's all fixed now and hover's outage problem is fixed Hover ended up getting their email blacklisted. So it was a big problem Tail scale just works my primary vpm usually open vpm But when you use ssl search expires suddenly and you need to get work done tail scale still there Head scale if you haven't set up. Yes How is it going with dns sec for your domain that's finished? Uh, how much of your data would you consider important? I got a few chair bits of plex isos Uh, that can you're less about backing up? I doubt there's more than 50 gig worth of important files I don't know I I consider anything I keep important all my music and all of my um Other content that I've legitimately copied to a server. I consider that all stuff I don't want to redo so I have it all replicated But I don't have that much content I I'm more of a text kind of person which compresses really well. I don't collect as much large data Where did that? All right, cool I get about 500 megs over smb with my 111 machine trunascale 5 8 terahedra is the speed adds up Rather quickly using raid z mirrors. Yes, it does Uh, do you still have I am root merch available and can you ship to a u? I assume I use t spring. They handle all my fulfillment. I think they ship there. I don't know The background doesn't scale for me I don't understand So if we go to lauren systems.com I was it because you're using a wide screen It seems to scale it scales kind of weird actually now that i'm looking at it I'll show you I made it really wide so not 1080 wide I made it as wide as my monitor So it does look weird But I don't think many people view websites like that. I think people view websites and like a more normal format like this which looks much better Because this is a nice normal format but I don't know I use travel router. Uh, I use travel router for my wife and sons Travel routers made more expense me when data was more expensive and you could uh, I have cheap One sim unlimited data Is stuff to go to now? No stuff is still very complicated, but it has good use cases to solve Very complex problems and large storage problems Some people use travel wi-fi routers plug in the hotel ethernet if you have a port in a room You know the last few times I've stayed in a hotel. There has not been a working ethernet port in there I can't say there hasn't been a ethernet port. I have said there is not a working one in the last few hotels I think they've decided to disable them Can you notice if you got family members coming with you? Have stuff like tail scale and ag guard built in Travel routers are handy if you have a lot of client devices Saves time setting them up. So I guess you set up the travel router to connect to the hotel wi-fi and Then instead of all the individual devices I guess I guess I don't travel enough with enough people R630 is getting a little long in the tooth and definitely pretty power hungry Uh travel router has vpn for your normies don't need to install stuff on their phones and laptops But normies don't use uh travel routers so And and then the configuring of a travel router requires specific knowledge It doesn't work automatically when you connect to the hotel So you still require some setup work at that point I would just load tail scale on my wife's computer if she needed to use it and actually get to resources at home By the way, my wife never needs to get to resources at home when she travels because there's nothing here She's interested in when she's not when she's not here Uh making a video about free services for homelanders oracle cloud offers I wouldn't use anything oracle so I don't I don't know Um, what do you think of a cluster proxmox over net bird that I don't think you can cluster proxmox over net bird I might be wrong, but I don't know. I don't think proxmox will cluster over remote connections with too much latency Uh, someone says teespring does ship to the eu awesome Tom already been in a group more than one plex server set up one account all the red dot cargo says you can do it But I figured out Can have more than one plex server set up in one account. I have no ideas. I don't use plex anymore The hl 15 is running well I Need to finish that that's been I have been using it. It's currently in use as a What is it doing right now? It's being used for storage There we go So it's currently a storage server. It's fast. It's really fast It's not doing much right now. I'd have to run some speed test on it But yeah, it works quite well. Oh these are all the uh birds and tail scales I set up because I was speed testing them I want to do some comparisons between net bird and tail scale. They're about the same speed So I I just was curious. It was only a small speed difference between it was not substantial So it didn't make it into the video because it wasn't interesting Do you think sysco maraki is a good product? Is it better to unify? There's always a lot of debate about that I have some testing i'm planning on doing on more than maraki We are one of I think we're the largest maraki reseller in ohio now So we sell enough maraki that you know sysco cares about us But maraki is a substantially more expensive product. It is not on the same uh price range as the Um, unify it's got subscription fees and everything else So I will do an updated video at some point talking about maraki But it's not really for home users in terms of I mean, it is it's home users who have a good budget It works, but yeah Favorite firewall is going to be pf sense Dual wan load ban scheme dual wan load balancing on travel art can be handled with 4g 5g signals I always carry two smartphones unlimited data plans across two different networks Never not an issue that comes up most of the hotels I stay I have decent wi-fi and my one phone seems enough I've never needed high bandwidth when I travel So I just don't have the I guess I'm just having less use cases than people I guess people who are willing to pay for two phone services with unlimited internet to Load balance them have much higher internet demand than when they travel than I do I see my net bird question from a previous live video turned into a video I've had a few people mention it you included and uh, I was I started playing with it and the more I played with it I started liking it more Uh, have you moved to jellyfin? I moved to mb Um, I guess I'm supposed to move the jellyfin next mb's not broke It works I don't know why I should move to jellyfin I I think jellyfin's open source and mb's not if i'm not mistaken. I don't know I moved to mb and it worked fine And I just don't have enough Oomph so to speak to say oh, I need a switch again because everything's already set up and working You you can have a proxmox over a virtual network, but it's gonna run like molasses Latency is a big issue when you have The systems tied together and are well in xcp and g it's called a resource pool. That's just a challenge This is a vmware problem. This is really a hypervisor problem. They're not really designed that way they're I think they have a feature called stretch networks that you can do inside of vmware, but it's kind of a weird use case I build separate resource pools for those devices that would be something that makes more sense Are you guys using a cisco vpn for clients or third party? I don't know mostly my clients that went over to cnwr are still using open vpn But I imagine because they have marocchis installed. We probably use some of those Uh, I don't know how often we do I don't have a I don't have like that insight I don't do the day to day on every client Why did I move away from plex was easy? It wasn't working properly for me I had the weirdest problem with plex that I could not solve plex was working and one day it stopped The reason it stopped working is I run it on a synology and it didn't want to work anymore And I couldn't figure out the why it would play and just randomly stop the video I thought there was something wrong with my synology I uninstalled reinstalled plex numerous times. I couldn't find a problem with my synology I loaded mb on a synology set it up and it worked flawlessly Matter of fact, the mb is still pointed to the folder called plex because I just removed plex loaded mb And it's worked so nice. I had no problems and plays on my chromecast I just said I don't want to mess with this because I just want might well My wife does watch things on mb and now she can watch things on mb without any problems So once the problem was solved. I went back to more important topics Have you employed any power backups? I have a ups There's not much of a tour to give of it. I have a single ups Travel travel routers can bring you to bring a lot of devices. So you set up a vpn router if it's just one phone laptop Okay, I guess my problem is I don't bring enough devices with me when I travel What do you guys have for streaming devices built in android tv? I just have a bunch of chromecast I think chromecasts are my favorite simple cheap solution for streaming So speaking of maraki, you just had pf sensor your pair of firewall. What would you make? Uh, what would make you put a maraki in versus a pf sensor and they beat all the needs Nothing, I mean, I'm I'm going to go to pf sensor first and We just have a bunch of clients because cnwr had them all set up with maraki If someone needs layer seven filtering Maraki that if you if layer seven filtering is something people want. I tell them not to buy a pf sensor It's funny because people want it. I just had a quote I gave someone because they wanted pf sensor to do layer seven. I said, sorry not going to happen. They Then got a quote because they said, well, how much is a maraki? I gave him a price and they said no way I'm not paying that every year and I said, okay, and the conversation ended. I was like, you don't want layer seven that bad Any hint of a hardware capable low power mini pc to run plex nb jelly on it. I'm not the best at that Um I don't think it takes much to run it because I look at my synology. I mean synology runs it fine The synology I have really isn't that fast. It's in It's a rise in I forget what it's at rs one two two one And I'm gonna pull up the this is what I'm running it on so if it runs on this and the specs on this are only a Rise in v 1500 b and I have no problem playing movies on my tv with this It doesn't take a ton of horsepower to do it xcbd xo a user have used xo star. No, I have not I'm waiting till the new version comes out and then I'll take a look at it. I'm not using xo star right now Reading catching up all the questions here Does ups just power your rack or does it cover your rack and desktop? Um, I just have a car in a rack. I didn't wasn't enough wattage Well, actually I got a bigger one now. It probably I probably could move my desktop to it, but I haven't So it just cover right now. It just covers my rack. I Probably should put one on my desktop. I just don't Of course, I'm saying this I haven't had enough power problems in the few years since I moved here to warrant bothering with it My the power just hasn't gone out So I really haven't like thought about it and when I power does go out I'll completely think about it and go buy another ups or something Ha ha ha ha Uh, how would you prefer active real-time fellow avoid but two different isps per site two distance sites Would you go sd wan overlay vpn or traditional? I would do none of those unless you have a site that goes down all the time I wouldn't waste my money on sd wan sd wan is a good solution to solve that problem How often does the problem occur is the bill from the sd wan and any extra challenges that may come with it worth that convenience Most of our clients we don't have this set up on because the internet goes out so infrequently no one brings it up and Solving for a problem that is so infrequent that no one brings it up I mean, I think a lot of people sell it because they like upselling things And they usually have like a fee to manage sd wan, but I Yeah, I don't really think it's an issue I prefer siracotta syrup, but that's a personal thing probably a context. I'm missing there, but yes Uh any plans for an ingenious fit product review, you know, I don't like ingenious. They sent me a product to review No information on it And I was laughing because someone pointed out here on live stream I I'd brought it up in live stream. I was like, I haven't reviewed this yet because I couldn't find it online It's a new product. They released they mailed to me sent it was a new product Ended up never reviewing it because they discontinued the product six months after they mailed it to me I didn't do anything with it for six months because you couldn't buy it anywhere Which was confusing and it was a new model according to your website It just had no avail no stock availability anywhere. So I was waiting to do the review on their switch I Generally have been aggravated with them When I did my other review of their cloud system, I told them how bad their documentation was I corrected their Documentation and sent that to them. They didn't fix it. So when I did the video My video says the documentation is wrong on how vlands work Let me explain to you how to do this and I mentioned in a video I told this to the people in genius who says we'll work on it I mean I've taken the time to to tell you what's wrong with your documentation and what should be in it And you don't update it. I kind of quit caring about your company Like I just said I'm not going to do any more ingenious reviews. I find them to be very haphazard so I just If people want to use it great, but I don't think they're a great product I mean, what kind of a company has bad information on how vlands work in their own documentation And and then won't take the corrections The other thing that was funny is there's a bunch of weird stuff in their switches that I found Like it had extra ports that don't exist on a switch and when I asked them why those things were there Nobody knew and it also became a discussion in the live stream me testing that same switch going What do these extra features do is it just the fact that they use the same firmware? Even if it has ports that don't exist It there's a lot of confusion with them and I don't understand how to solve it I don't really um Yeah, like I said, I'm not a big fan of a genius I I don't know how else to describe them other than lazy. I mean And confusing why would they sell me a product that got discontinued? That's the part that really Kind of bothered me. I'm glad I didn't put much time into it but I was also scratching my head because Their msrp price Was triple what anybody else wanted for it. It was a switch That was a weird half rack sfp 10 gig switch with I think it has six ports on there Which is no maybe it has eight ports because the unify six port one is like 300 something dollars And they want it 800 dollars for an eight port sfp switch And I'm like, I don't really understand why there's nothing It doesn't even have like extra layer three routing capabilities. It's just a switch with vlan support So I decided I just I've ignored every email from them since Vrack technology. What is vrack? uh, that sounds like something Isolated private cloud to connect your ovh never used it I'm I don't use ovh either Yeah, exactly. They're they're pricing made no sense and Yeah, I I don't understand it So it was one of those confusing points with them and I've just decided not to work with them anymore Like that's my solution to them. I'm just done working with you people Is you're not you're if you're not going to be helpful to the youtubers Now I'm going to refresh the comments because there's obviously going to be some People that have thoughts on this. Oh, wow. This is popular video Oh, I forgot to put nebula on the list um I I knew I forgot one. I didn't put nebula on the list of that overlay video. I released I'm looking at the comments on there one of the things I brought up in that video and I don't really have a answer for Was I brought up and let me pull up the forum post here There's the release. There's the video Share this tab It's funny because I put the video for nebula and I for I forgot to add nebula to this list right here but There's I did a video and actually I know the people who designed nebula and friends with them Defined networks is a is a cool company the founder and everything is but One of the things I brought up as I put twin gate in here and The reason for that is really simple A lot of youtubers have had paid sponsored videos of it and they reached out to me And this is where things can get a little fuzzy if I do a review I'm careful about what adjectives because if it's a review I'm not going to take a sponsorship if it's a tutorial There's really important the way I define this and I've got this part of my content ethics This is how the conversations go when I have these companies some companies want a review that they pay for This is an awesome product sponsored by blah blah blah product that told me to tell you the product was awesome And I'm always careful not to do that This is the problem with some of the reviewers who get excited and bring a lot of enthusiasm to it I am very careful when I do a paid sponsorship to call it a tutorial and never use adjectives that describe it In some way that sounds like i'm endorsing the product because i'm very clear and me and jay from learning cb talk about this a lot That any of the videos we do if we have a sponsor I'll do a sponsor non adjacent to the video so I can say this video is brought to you by xyz company But we're going to talk about abc company unrelated That's a good way to do it But when you have a company that wants you to make a tutorial on something Well me and jay we do videos like that, but we do them differently. We make sure we're telling you This is a paid tutorial. I'm going to walk you through how to set up this software I'm not going to tell you this is the best software you should be using And that's where things like twin gate can come in if people sponsored the video But then people encourage you that is the best vpn solution Is it a sponsored review at that point and how can you call it a review if money changed hands? This is where the complexity comes into the way youtube rules work and not not really Enforced very well it's a lot of uh self-policing in the youtube world for sponsored content, but I think the People yourselves the consumers of youtube content should always be very aware especially because If you learn how much these youtubers get and how much the ads are worth I mean you're talking about 30 40 thousand dollars for a sponsored mention even a channel my size I'm able to get 15 000 out of a company if they want me to do a tutorial so you start talking about the numbers they get and Your bias goes oh, they weren't paid a couple hundred dollars. They were paid like 15 000 for this video. Yes So that's one of the things so it's not just It's one of those things like Once you start realizing this kind of money in there you'll start also going. Oh, I guess that's why the youtube people Especially the ones that do really big channels that have constant Advertises in there now you get the idea of how they're able to afford all the things they have in those videos matter of fact The gaming ones are lucrative because if you're one of the top tier gamers on some of the twitch services or even You know the youtube gamers they make insane amounts of money They they can get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars just to play a game So that i'm always so careful on that. That's why I have an entire content ethics This is actually what shoots down some advertisers from wanting to work with me, which is fine. I i'm i'm fine with that I one thing i'll say for ltt. They they're clear. You know when they're doing a sponsored review They they don't hide it And I I don't know I have to look up what the ad rates are let's google it because I wonder if we can find Rates for linus Tech tips I don't know if there's any If there's even an an index on this I don't see any public. They don't have any public information on there. They probably negotiate a lot of it I'm seeing if someone has posted These companies all have it. It's not hard. You can just contact them and pretend to be an advertiser and But it's yeah, you're gonna get some pretty high ad rates on these youtube channels Trying to see if someone has it I've learned with some of some of the other I know what some of the other youtubers get because I talk to the the sponsors themselves So I know what they're paying other channels Uh, didn't ltt do like 30 mil last year. I don't know if they publicly disclose how much money they do Income and profit are very different things Yeah, look how much the top five twitch streamers make it's insane. Yes Yeah, youtube's lucrative I I know a lot of I know a lot of youtubers I know how much some I you know, I have relatives that do this and I know how much they make and it's they do well Yeah, some of the twitch streams poll quite a bit it it's a lot it is a lot Um, what is it? I can't remember. Uh, oh social I think Social blue book used to tell you Do they list I don't they don't listen. I'm more like they used to There's a site called social blue book that used to have all that information for how much they charged but yeah, whatever How you saw it was wild that youtube allowed sponsor segments seeing has they have youtube premium not to see ads The problem is and I'll completely say why I have the pre-roll ads in there. It's how little money we make on youtube I'm not gonna lie The ad rates have plummeted and they're just not what they used to be That's that's the big challenge with youtube is there's just not enough money coming in I can't run my channel on what I make through the revenue Because even a channel my size here. I'll who wants to see my revenue. I am completely transparent about it. So let me Pull this over to another tab I don't mind sharing this So even a channel at my size makes a whopping $3,200 a month. That's it And this is with this includes the paid advertisers the people who subscribe to my channel. This is everything $3,000 a month That's not enough to run this channel. Sorry. That's for all the time and effort this takes and That you know, if I extrapolate this out, you're talking what that 36k a year Um, that's not enough to put all the time and everything The subscriptions for things all the stuff that I have all the out costs I have to run this channel uh is does not work on that kind of money. So this is why Everyone has so many matter of fact youtube has gone down. I used to make more with less views The ad rates have gone down on youtube mostly after the pandemic because Some of the big advertisers just haven't had to advertise as much So here we are You don't make as much is used to on there. Which sucks I would love an extra 3k a month, but it's not an extra it takes a lot of time to produce all this content So it's not like free 3k a month. It's constantly dumping Time and effort to put together videos not to mention all the equipment I have in the studio to support it So yes, that's monthly. You can see at the top here. Let me zoom in it says 28 days So this is the revenue over 28 days. I can also extend it out over 90 days. So it's you know 90 days there I can say how much for 2023 And I had because there was a couple months where the revenue was a little higher So this year the estimated revenue is about 44 thousand dollars. I'm taking in so That's it though. That's for think about having a channel with as many abuses I have and that's all you get Do premium subs improve the outcome somewhat or is it negligible it break? There's somewhere I can find a breakdown to the premium subs, but it's in there as well Keep it up. Your channel gets the same number of views as usual. Yeah Oh, yeah, you still got to pay taxes on all this here in the u.s. That's that's before taxes by the way That's crazy. I'm averaging 1.7k a month. Yeah, this is the thing. It's one of those um It's just not It's weird because I used to make a lot more and it slowly slid down I don't really understand why then I got hit with that bad content thing and I haven't recovered from that That whole if you kind of look there's a trend of it not being as much as it used to be because I got hit with those stupid content errors If my wife could pull in 3k doing youtube videos would be an extra for me You have the full income from cnwr as well The consulting side of the business. Oh, yeah, I'm I have well I own two companies So I'm a partial owner of cnwr I own lorence systems my youtube revenue Then I have affiliate revenue that I get for any affiliate links that I have then I have Um, I have investments that bring me money. So I I've got other income Which is why you don't see a ton of advertising on my channel. I have enough money now Am I a bad business person this way? This is an existential question. I could have more ads and I choose not to I try to keep them at a minimum But i'm also leaving money on the table because if I inserted or incorporated more ads I would have more money but I try to find a happy balance of Not having to deal with advertisers and not being beholden to any of them That's my biggest thing is I don't want to put a content schedule together and I want to do things when I want to do things Taxes in america make my head hurt as well My taxes are complicated because I own two businesses And I have investments When I connect my tail scale network remote land, I came across my home network, but I can't access the internet Not sure why I have my video on I mean, I don't I shouldn't block it If you consider creating some sort of digital products, such as newsletter magazine to pull in more revenue Yes, I have a newsletter that I should Promote more because it's new I'm going to be releasing the first one in january if you go to my website And go down to the bottom There is the sign up for my newsletter. I'm going to be sending out a bi-monthly newsletter So that's the next one. Uh, I have thought about doing some courses. That's on my to-do list as well I don't know when I'm going to come up with courses, but I try to keep as much content free I don't really want to pay wall content So I might come up with some courses That are just a way of organizing things or maybe something extra to my videos But I want to keep as much content free as possible via youtube That's always my goal because I think that's the best way to get people trained is to Uh, have the stuff be available and not locked behind any type of paywall Let's see Yeah, uh bearded it dad's doing the same thing I'm doing just dumping it all back into the channel I do that a lot. Oh, let's see Although I would still be like Tom comfortable, uh, so we can keep the channel alive As a business senior either loathe having to come to the office after hours on the weekend or perform maintenance prevent Uh, did you ever loathe? No, I've always been obsessive about what I've done and I've been doing it for 20 years. So there's no Um It's all just been a process. I've chose to work in tech. I like Doing things I was always the odd person because I don't like holidays that much. They're always like a big Aggregation and too much noise for me. Uh, so I was always the person that volunteered to work on Christmas That's and that dates back to me being in my teens. That's how long I've been the person who volunteers to work over holidays So no, I don't know. I'm weird like that How do you move xcp and just xcp and g host to another pool? You have to eject it from one pool and you can join it to another pool I'm recently starting to follow your channel. Great content. Uh, keep the ads ads as it is. Thanks. Yeah You sell part of your soul dealing with advertisers and brands. Yes, you do That's what I'm trying to I'm trying to keep as much of my soul intact as possible Can you share uh taxes here in the us are roughly What are they a third of your income? Um, actually hold on I don't know how that works What are the tax brackets? Um Oh god Yeah, it's gonna be roughly a third of my income At the tax bracket i'm in so you lose the third roughly to taxes It's a little bit more complicated because I own it. They're both companies are s-corps So There's a separate. Oh, I'm not gonna get into tax complexity. Look up what s-corp taxes look like and you'll understand I don't want to get way off topic on this Get a dbrand sponsorship Tom tom pays the guy that knows the guy not to deal with taxes. I pay an accountant That's one of those expenses. I just uh paid for my corporate filings Yeah That I gotta pay someone to sort out how much the irs who won't tell me how much I actually oh They it's a guessing game. Uh, and if you're not right, you can win some handcuffs Um, yeah, I actually have a corporate accountant who takes care of all of it. I just say how bad is it? um This is gonna be a really bad. Well, this is already a bad year in taxes because of the merger That's the merger is a taxable event. Yay I got taxed on that Let's see But the usa taxes are less than france. No No, they're more confusing. They look simple at first But my friends who have moved here from foreign places are like There's a lot of taxes in a lot of different places. Everything seems to have its own separate tax. Yes, it does It's just it's all spread out Because you have income taxes and everything else. I highly recommend getting a cpa That's I've had one for 20 years Um, because I've had my business. I I've had the same cpa firm. It's now the sun running it mom retired essentially Her son, uh, who's just a little bit younger to me. Uh, he runs it now and he's great They they've been my cpa for 20 years now I work for this whenever you're talking to you should be able to tell you what you owe Oh, if it was only that simple Last week my backup job in xo have sort of errors with cypher open ssl any direction to go in besides the forum Post in the forums Yeah Income tax and sales tax Don't forget property tax as well. Um, this house has this house has a lot of property taxes The taxes are really high the building taxes for the buildings. Those are the property taxes here Property taxes are ridiculous here in the u.s. I mean, it's another I don't live in that big of a house And I think my property taxes are around 9 000 a year I live in a 2000 square foot house roughly it's not that big and it's that much here Oh, yeah fuel tax too can't forget there yep It's just silliness It is Way off topic though what I'm gonna do so we can get on a different topic. I'm gonna go get a drink I will hit the intermission because I'll come back. I don't have anything to do So we're just gonna keep on going here unless there's some reason I should stop Since you run large systems out of your home Since you run large systems out of your home as part of your home office lab tax deductible. I know I can't yes Lots of things are this this is a deduction that I'm sitting in But my business is still registered to the same address it was over on pennsylvania road in southgate Which is on my well, it's on my old website. It's cnwr's address now is also still you can have more than one business at location I'm a deduction for jason He's gonna claim me Oh, you know if we and jason need to do a rant on vmware That's um, that's definitely an upcoming topic. It is It's definitely I don't have a three-story house. I have a two-story house. I have a basement and an upstairs. There's not a third story But uh, vmware has really been screwing over the partners jason jason's team's aggravated by this as he should be He was he was definitely. Um, I think it was was it last manager meeting. This came up and it was definitely one of those Uh, yeah spicy vmware video Uh, this is true. I I'm far enough in my understanding is you can only get demonetized for swearing at the beginning of a live stream So we can we can say an hour and 17 minutes in that vmware at present is a shit show I don't think that's going to get us uh demonetized on this particular video. We'll find out Uh You posted upstairs a loft ceiling. I have a loft ceiling that doesn't make it a three-story house I just have Volted I have voltage ceilings, but not three stories Three stories is like if you have an upstairs. There's no upstairs to my house You have to do it in the first minute. Yeah Vmware we're watching this video Home offices limit a certain square footage illustration always changes and how the deductions are applied to remove right now They are updating our systems for next year's tax code. Yes. This is why I pay an accountant They tell me what I can and can't do because if it were up to me, I'd write off everything But I know I can't I know that would get me in trouble This is why you have corporate accountants who solve these things You're like tell me what the maximum without me getting in trouble is that I can do Uh, what is and isn't a valid write-off. These are questions for accounts Watch them go dump all the partners under 500k a year in revenue. Yeah um It once they start dumping all the partners on this it's gonna be It's gonna be a mess that I've noticed was a lot of anger Uh in reddit forums and other places So, yeah, I um I don't know. We got to do a vmware rant video We have to do a vmware versus xcp and g video because that's what we're diving more into Uh, the company I work for has something a thousand servers with vmware hosted. I'm glad they don't mess with server side stuff Yeah, glad it's not your problem. Um, I don't use node red, but I'm aware of it I've not used it, but it seems pretty popular. It's a pretty cool thing Uh, vmware is going to have a bad time I don't know that they'll lose the industry quickly. So many companies will not switch. They will just take it They will just pay the higher prices They will lose a lot of their love they get from the partner programs for smaller partners because once you eliminate all the small Partners and it's only the big partners You end up with a lot less fanfare, but hey, you know, that's not what they're worried about it We have we have us uh Skilling up people and selling customers only to essentially have them pull the rug This is a big factor as well. This is something you have to think about when you have a bunch of employees What is the cost of switching as related to it? And by the way, jason message me if you want to join I don't you think you have to you have the login if you want to join the live stream Feel free to jump in if you're not doing anything Um, but the time you put into all the staff learning something. So there's a lot of costs. It's not just And this goes into internal it or even us we have a skill set and swapping it means we It's an adaptable skill set understanding virtualization, but it still has a cost to it Uh, I'm in the boat us have to do business taxes for the first time this year Which was all losses from putting money and equipment and construction in the studio. Yeah Walmart use vmware a redevice. I work with vmware for most part. I'm a manager at walmart interesting Jason's getting heated. Uh, yeah, jason's been he's been mad before at this Um as all of us are so that's it's as simple as that There's actually uh, uh company we did work for years ago She was really sharp and one of the things she was really aggravated was when microsoft What was it after 2007 office? When did they switch or maybe it was 2003 to 2007 when he started moving all the Buttons around they called the new ribbon display But I remember she was like, you know She was really kind of on a rant about how inefficient this made She had like 40 employees that had to use microsoft office and she was really aggravated with like microsoft's Absolute push for change on some things because she goes this is a disruption And she actually had a pretty good calculation for how much that disruption costed her and employees Lost productivity until they could catch up with where the menus moved to Interface stability means something because to most people this is just a tool they use to get their job done So when you start messing with that tool they suddenly become much less efficient How do I convince my co-manage client? It kind of depends You can't necessarily convince them to change things. So how do you convince them to use the product? You want them to use? You win some you lose some I I don't always get to pick and choose you Well, you I guess I do I get to pick and choose if I want to work with that client, but generally speaking You kind of just have to decide Are you going to continue to support it? Some people will still work with it We aren't going to stop supporting vmware. We have a lot of people using it We're still going to keep doing that. That's not going to change If they are because we have some co-manage deals and they are going to keep using vmware No problem. We'll keep supporting it While jason has appeared Vmware he wants to share with us No, I actually didn't hear the past couple minutes because I came in the office. I was on my phone Yeah, I said you should join and rant about vmware because that is a good topic today Yeah job job, I don't know what to tell him Oh, yeah, because some some people are gonna stick with it I mean the problem is so it'll be really interesting to see what they do with enterprise agreements, right? Because the really big companies are all using ea's and that's where the actual money is for them Is if they can unwind some of that stuff, then it's a cash cow because they're the ea basically lets them run unlimited copies of it But it's a trickle down effect because no one new is entering that ecosystem now like they killed it. Why why would you why would you Learn it at this point. So eventually because people stop learning it It becomes more expensive to support and the total cost of ownership ends up being lower for another solution because that's what'll stop people from moving right now is that Yeah, it sucks, but the total cost of ownership for You know moving to xcp ng right now for a large enterprise is higher than the additional licensing costs. Yes And that's kind of like where that knob lands is how much more do you crank it up? It's like you crank it up enough you you boil the water a little bit So they stay in it, but not enough so they wander out of it Yeah, I I see more people asking about proxmox. I kind of did the recent video talking about I think the support package in a way xcp ng is designed is probably better for enterprise businesses and where they're going with it Proxmox is a little strange to me still it It works fine. Yeah, it works. It's solid It's just more of a put together solution where they glued together a bunch of pieces Oh good stuff like stuff is in there and everything else But I don't feel I don't get that same support feeling from them But I myself and I know you it's debbie in so hacking away at it as far as I mean I So transparently I think for The uneducated a homelab user that doesn't want to learn about Virtualization technology and just wants to run something that works that they can easily manage and that they can install out of the box Not mess with it proxmox is probably a better choice But for an air prizy workloads where you know, you are going to be looking at automation You are going to be looking at the higher stuff the fact that Zen is closer to a type one hypervisor than it is a type two hypervisor I think that makes a pretty compelling argument to use zen because proxmox is clearly a type two hypervisor Yeah, and like someone's to hear proxmox feels like a playground more than a real solution I think for homelab Having lxc having all the things and this is I even said that in my recent video I said I think it's an absolute probably highly recommended for the homelab It gives you so much flexibility for homelab people lxc is overrated to me. I'd rather run docker in most cases But I'll agree with that too. Yeah, but Yeah, I mean I think the zen orchestra interface also looks like a playground because i'm a vmware guy and it's It's an entirely different paradigm, but There was a reddit thread about how it looks like fish or price in the vmware reddit Yeah, but I mean it works we're gonna uh, there are there are some things Uh, you know vmware has a leg up because they're They've been around. I mean they were the first essentially, right? So. Oh, yeah, uh, they've been doing this forever Uh, and so they've had a long time to polish and get it and get it right now. What'll be interesting is if Vates and uh the zen team gets the enterprises behind them, then they will in theory Start to get more resources and you should start to see feature parity for the some of the things that are missing come pretty quick yeah I they seem pretty focused on doing I think they have about 50 employees now Which is pretty small, but they're a pretty focused team and They seem they haven't When I've talked to them they've talked about it on the back end is having a lot of large enterprise customers already They obviously stole the citrix user base. Um It was they made such an easy migration path for you want to get off citrix Just reload this over the top. It'll even bring all your vms over You could just do right over the top installs and that made it really pain-free to get people, uh there Wait, someone says proxmox is a type one hypervisor. I don't think so Because it requires running on the linux kernel, right? And so my based on my definition of a type one hypervisor Right like it needs to be running not it It needs to be running outside of that and I mean I guess zen that's why I call like Xcp and g like a type 1.5 right But it zen is kernel native Yeah, I believe is kernel native too. So they kind of they split hairs. I I've I've watched people go through the same debate because it's not yeah and I guess they're just not So, yeah, I mean i'm finding things here indicating that it's both a type one and a type two exactly I've I think those are bad type one type two is bad definitions of them Yeah, I mean because it definitely there are definitely use cases for proxmox where it's running q emu on the back end And that is definitely not type one that is for sure not type one right Definitely, um, yeah, it creates a little bit of confusion. Oh, yeah open stack ah Yeah, open stack and I know a few people had mentioned, uh, suce's harvester has come up a few times Have you ever used that? I haven't I've used open stack actually fairly extensively. I have quite a bit of open stack knowledge I mean Unfortunately, I think it's a dead technology. It's really cool Uh, and some really cool things came out of it. They use like sef, but yeah, uh, I think it's fairly dead honestly Is it is it just it feels cumbersome and complicated So I think that's kind of what happened to it. It became an overly complex solution Yeah Someone says kvm and native so Yeah, yeah, but proxmox is devian, right? So It's exactly. Yeah And this is where people get confused. I have a video Charles where I describe how zen works and what zen is Uh, because zen is bigger than just xcp and g xcp and g Is downstream uses zen but xcp and g is the product name zen is the name of the hypervisor The zen hypervisor itself is actually used extensively in automotive and lots of other use cases It's actually what built the original side of aws is all zen But later they have a and to call aws zen though is still not exactly true because it's the same thing They're using kvm, but they use a very custom coded that uses their own hardware so it's not it's not even the same version you can use because it's It's purpose built hardware that they started building so they built it on kvm with some special drivers. I can't remember what it's called. It's their It's one of the tiers now support now uses kvm on the back end Yeah, I mean there's a bunch of uh virtualization projects using kvm on the back end. Yeah Nutanix is a new tanix The newer oracle data appliances use it on the back and they ditched zen and moved to kvm as a matter of fact Oh, that's interesting. Uh, so in vmware in modern vmware The hyper by the management interface for the hypervisor runs as a container on the bare metal hypervisor Huh, right? So like that's that's why you get all this new native driver stuff, right? So like you're actually running the thing that you're sshing to is it you a container that runs on top of the hypervisor And you actually cannot get direct access to the hypervisor Um, are you still using obsidian? Yes, I am. Uh, I actually did quite a bit of note writing in it recently for my workshop. Uh, oh nice. Yeah then moved all that stuff over to a uh, uh To a google doc so I could share it with John Hammond Nice I know I I actually I was just one questions. I'll ask you here. Should I send it for the two day for code master? Should I do the four day? Uh, it depends on if you want to go to their pre compilers No, probably not. Yeah, then uh, ping ray. He'll probably give you a ticket. Okay I can do that Um I've talked about this randomly on the channel. I will do an upcoming video about how I got here I I wrote a new about page that I'm almost done and will have published Um My origin story will go on there. I'll make it a video But I have I actually took the time to write down all the years of the jobs I had and different things like that That was a fun exercise. Um, I've been working in tech since My first tech job was 1995 I forgot the names of a couple companies and I just grouped them together as small retail shops I actually have my tax records from back then and my paycheck from back then but I'm not going to bother detail. They're all don't exist anymore. Like the computer exchange. I worked at doesn't exist anymore Oddly south gate computers still exist in south gate michigan. Um, I was working there in like 1997 So at some point it'll be part of my website People ask I'm always I don't really do self-indulgent ones But because the question comes up because it's not I I preferred making tutorial videos Not like how tom got here because you can't copy and paste my career. You can't copy and paste jason's career It's we can give you some insights about things we did You wouldn't want to copy paste my career. No I mean, we're certainly dumb things. We probably did along the way. We can share some insights. Yeah I mean My career is a case of if you make enough mistakes, eventually you end up successful Yeah, I did that too. I just guessed my way through a lot of it Okay, so I think actually technically at the if if using kvm Both proxmox and zen are type one hypervisors Uh, if using q emu then it's type two Okay To me they're both more type two because like they both have an underlying os distribution that's running them but the actual hypervisor is running in the kernel and I think that is I I hate being I hate being wrong on these things and I will admit when I'm wrong. So like I'm researching in the background as we're discussing this Yeah, it's also like Just like hyper v is that type one or type two because it needs windows if you install it as hyper v server where it's basically Dedicated core then it is technically considered a type one hypervisor if you run it on windows Then I think it's type two at that point Yeah, I think we need we need definitions. Yeah, we need better definitions for sure This is this is not the way to do it. I mean we can at least say if I'm using virtual box I have a type two correct. Yes virtual box of emu workstation Microsoft virtual pc Fusion right those are for sure all type two Yeah, but then you get weird things like oracle vm server for x86 which is kdm So why is that considered type two? I don't know. Yeah These are but you know technical people are pedantic. This is what makes us fun. Yeah Oh, what was uh The someone asked if we already talked about overly networks. I talked about them at the beginning I just released a video on it Because I think net maker is going to be really popular not net maker net bird It's going to be really popular amongst home lab users It works like tail scale but has a fully self-hosted for free control plane by the authors They actually it's the same and the cool thing is it's the same control plane they use So if you buy their sass solution, it's the same tool that you can download for free and host it yourself Which I like when companies are doing that because now some of the other ones like tail scale Actually has helped out head scale and doing some code commits. They are very friendly with their competitor But it's still a competing solution. It's not the real deal and it doesn't even have full feature parity It's a hobby project on github Which is neat. I mean I've set it up. I got a video on it because I thought it was fun to play with but It doesn't really compare to the full tail scale interface versus net bird It's the full interface with all the features. Um, I started playing with it last night or no the night before and um I couldn't stop. I was like really fascinated with how they put it all together and gave it all away If you uh, if you want to get really good at overlay networks Then either install open stack or kubernetes and and get good at the networking because the default out of the box Can fix for both of those run all overlay networks. Yeah It it's more of a headache. I docker networking. I figured out some of it, but it's not why do they call it mac vlan? I don't understand because the term mac vlan when you add another network means something different to me than it doesn't docker Uh, I imagine a mac vlan is just a back end os layer where it's doing 802. Don't want q tagging Right. I thought that's what it was, but it's not it's it's I know that's exactly my confusion of it Look it up. It's gotta it works different than that and I this is why I've had Like I figured it out, but I couldn't quote it right now exactly right. I just know it wasn't the way I expected it to work It can be in either bridge mode or 802.1 q trunk bridge mode Right, it does both. Yeah, it seems like with that name it would only do one of them Is your port access or is it trunk? right Ah fun stuff My question mainly revolves on why use why using an open vpn versus doing zero trust? Does it mainly come down to visibility? It seems like everything can be much better with an adi Yeah, the problem zero trust is it's a buzzword the marketing term. It's a marketing term It's what you mean anything. It's what it's what sales people tell me I need Or what their product does uh The overlay networks are Nice because you don't have to have public ip addresses. You don't have to have ports exposed You just have a coordination server that takes in all the data and coordinates the connections between all the devices So as you wander around or your public ip address changes because you don't have a static one from isp I recommend for home users like the basic home users tail scale all day long It just works. It's simple. You can plug it in you can have access to your stuff at home without doing anything Special versus home users set up vpn expose vpn never update vpn That's that is where the real problem comes in Uh mac vlan has been replaced by default ipv land. I thought but i'm not absolutely a docker master ipv land is uh Layer three versus layer two Yeah You know one of the things I did that unify express review one of the first things I commented on a why I recommend it for home users It auto updates by default unless they change it and people don't usually change the defaults and people who don't change the defaults Are also the same people who never update things So this is the perfect thing to recommend to your home users because it will just keep getting updates as security vulnerabilities come out Uh It's tail scale better than wire guard tail scale uses wire. Yeah tail scale is a super set of wire guard Yeah wire guard doesn't have any user management. This is what that dumb arguments when people were uh getting so excited When wire guard was first released told me but its code basis so much smaller than open vpn Okay, it doesn't do what open vpn does it doesn't have the features open vpn does so you can't compare the two Sure, it has less ciphers. That's just called a lack of backwards compatibility because it's a new product But also it lacks user management. So How do you solve that problem? Oh, we gotta write a whole user manager for it. Well, doesn't that count as part of the code now? Once again text being patented pedantic Oh, this is a spicy take unify Should you just put a question mark after this has unified your researching gotten better Is it still the case where like a lot of it is cpu switched? Probably yeah, I mean I uh it was for a lot and a lot of the early stuff And I know most of the micro tick stuff. It is or micro tick stuff. It is uh, but I I don't know I I I don't touch it So I wouldn't be able to tell you here's the thing if someone comes in with a consulting call I really need a layer three solution. We don't suggest unify. It's as simple as that There's that that means no, it's just like when you need a layer seven filtering We don't switch p of sense. Sorry doesn't do it. This is where the maraki start coming in Yeah Yeah, uh I mean it depends on your needs it probably does okay uh That was phrased as a question Okay, I did forget the question doesn't have features like uh No, there's no rules in it at all. It's just like hey, we can nap this essentially It just has some routing features, but that's it. It doesn't have any third part Okay, it doesn't look like it does any routing protocols So you get static routes Yeah, no, don't do that It's so it's like basically buying like an sg 200 or cbs 200 level products. Don't know Yeah Uh any decent non maraki level layer three switch recommendations How much I mean that's that's a budget problem. Like well, that's not not enough information like what do you What do you need it? What do you need it to do? Yeah, is it wire wire rate like is it 10 gig is it one gig? It's one gig Yes, that's fine. We could recommend some arista switches. We just bought a client Uh, but what was the price tag on that arista switch we bought? 20 000 Somewhere in there Yeah, uh, so nick's what nick says is partially true That oh, I can do that too. I can yeah, that's cool. There you go Uh, it depends on the it depends on the product most of the crs products that is not the case uh And it is uh, a lot of the layer three stuff ends up in the slow path But yeah, I mean that's this is how big boy switches do it. They offload the uh, uh the can table right basically to The the route to cam look up to an asik and then they don't have to process which the packets. Yep asik chips are the Dedicated asics are the way to make this work properly at at scale at speed um Meraki alternative can be similar price. I would say aruba Is going to be in a similar category the aruba instant on and some of the other aruba Yeah, hard stuff, but they don't have that stuff's gonna be Man, also most likely. Yeah, it's just not designed to do that Yeah, there's not a lot of companies. Cisco is still the king when it comes to good And so it's good juniper sisco arista are going to be your top tier products for doing layer three switching and and Extended features and even maraki falls apart and with if you need like really heavy layer three stuff because Right like what are it it's getting better But what are these like web-based cloud managed things targeting or targeting smb and smb doesn't need ospf, right? They don't need isis. They don't need vx land. They don't need You know fabric path or multi-chancey Leg or any of that other fancy stuff, right? So you just don't get those features So if you want real like wire rate layer three performance, you have to go to like more enterprisey gear Me and jason can both answer this the same way. We have businesses. Therefore everything is stretched across everywhere Some's at home. Some's here. Some's there We we it's not even in one rack in a data center. It's in more than one still I mean, so I have uh to you. I have an r7 10 in the rack at the office, but I have a 24 year rack here that's got A 7 10 a 720 and a 6 10 in it running well 2 6 10s No, a 6. Yeah 2 6 10s the 7 10 and a 720. I've got two proxmox box and xcp and gbox And then a standalone boxer for vsd. I'm slowly replacing the proxmox box with xcp and g Uh, so yes, I do. Yeah It's it's hard. It becomes more fuzzy when you do it for a living and it's your business as well There's a lot of stuff Yeah, so this You can grab that if you want Actually, I've like this this should be on a shirt. The whole thing goes everyone has a test environment Some people are lucky enough to also have a production environment. I think that would be a good shirt Uh, this is a unusual kind of uh an hl 15 is going to wander its way down to the Toledo office. So yeah uh I'm not cool enough yet for 45 drives to send me free stuff. So uh, we'll get there I'll probably I'll probably eventually buy one because they are really cool Yeah, we should we got to follow up on the store nato. That's been in production for Six months now. I bought one. Yeah. No, that's what you that I need to follow up. Okay. Yeah. Yeah It's in production use that's what I'm saying. Oh, yeah, and it's fast as shit. It's very fast Yeah, that's um, that's it one of the Uh, yeah, I should take you there. I'm wondering if there's a lot of film in there I'm sure we'll at least let us take pictures of our rack They'll probably let me film in there. I know the right people to ask. Okay, perfect. We should we should do that I wanted I want to do a follow-up video because we've sold a lot of 45 drives We're about to I was actually if you probably noticed in the slack channel scheduling for the xl 60 That means I got to go there. I I did I don't know if I'm gonna go down to Toledo tomorrow, but Monday, I will make sure I'm putting on my calendar to go down there on Monday's uh, we're off because it's july First or January first. Oh, I mean you could come down on Monday. I'll come probably Monday or two I can come Tuesday as well. Yeah, or come Tuesday Tuesday's better. Uh Yeah, we're off Monday Yeah, but I want to film we have that giant Uh machine running proxmox that thing I've got some of the video on I got the video from us taking it apart I was trying to figure out what hash they were trying to crack and slack the other day because I was gonna say If you give it to me, I'll crack it on that box. Yeah Oh, yeah equinox is not fun. My friends probably are partly to blame for that They filled up somebody's rack with healing and balloons and equinox was not amused You said it was asic versus cpu base for forwarding asic is always going to be faster I stay away from layer through stitching unless I absolutely need to yeah I mean essentially a layer three switch these days is like it's a literally just a switch with a router bolted on and they It just plugs ports into the virtual switch. That's that's all he's right like He a couple messages before that somebody I think it was the same guy calls out That it's a misnomer that it's not No, it's jc the music man. It's this one uh That is 100 accurate It's I mean the switch The the thing is is that the switch is capable of doing arp and you know the layer three to layer two And it maintains a routing table in addition to a switching table and it maintains You know stp instances for each separate vlan you're running unless you're running mst in which case you hate yourself Yeah, I mean that's the only difference Yeah, it creates a lot of challenges Oh, look my wife's home Hello, honey poke You're back early. Yes Can you bring me a beer? I guess okay Uh layer three switching equal speed someone asked earlier if we had anyone using uh vx lands uh I don't know if I have any production. I so I actually have my vcp nv Which is the network virtualization vm worship and I did a crap ton with vx land when I was studying for that It's really cool. I like it a lot it's I I we deal with customers that are deploying in production, but only a little bit of that and a lot of them these days Are not using it as much as they probably were there are other there are other ways that some of that traffic gets tunneled More like spiny type stuff Yeah, one of the neat things they built this into zen orchestra now they actually have the ability to do Uh vx land in there now that works Is it that's a twist off right? Yeah That's thirsty Hmm But xcp and g added support for that as well So you can you get two options. You can do g re tunnels between Different networks xo can coordinate g re tunnels or vx land tunnels. It won't do both simultaneously It's like one or the other but kind of cool that they built that in as a feature so you can Scale out your network that way Uh I think it's because Yeah, okay, it's because vx land is basically just a control plane that establishes the g re tunnels underneath So it totally makes sense while you can't run both. Yeah, you can't I thought that was a case Uh, no mini fridge in the office. Well part of the goal of studio is to have no noise There's not even a computer in this room. So mini fridge would potentially cause noise problems So there is a fridge. It's just on the other side of that door Uh, do you guys work with a lot of del vx rail stuff for your customers We have that one school that I've been talking to that, uh, has a bunch of that one that wants to load xcp and g on it because I I told them they're gonna have to experiment with it. I they were hoping I had an answer for them Uh Of what and not it would definitively run it and they only had they have like Eight or nine of them in production and I say you're gonna have to pull one out of production uh The last handful of uh saved my server servers I bought or tech supply direct one of the two That we've bought because we use a non-zero amount of refurbished hardware because I use a local company to put support on it and I don't need The new shirt stuff. Uh, it's been vx rail stuff and it works just fine. There's nothing special about it I didn't think it was I I told them Yeah, it didn't seem to be that big of a deal But I I couldn't absolutely tell them they wouldn't have any problems xcp and g because I never tried loading xcp g on it But it looks just like a del server. It is just a del server. It just has some special licensing on it Uh, it's just I mean it comes out of the box certified run v-sane essentially That's like it may have I don't even think it Like they're not even doing proprietary interconnects like infiniband or anything anymore. It's all just stock standard bullshit Any favorite xcv6 compatible router operating systems that's going to be pf sense not open sense I'm about to do a rant video on open sense Um, they're really getting worse about security updates and taking them a long time. They just published an update today for The ssh bug It it took them. I mean, it's only what three weeks ago that that came out But still three weeks not that it's a Zero day. Oh my god, you're gonna get owned if you don't fix this But still why is it why they dragged their feet on some of these updates? I mean, I have a list of all the updates in the last few months that they've dragged your feet on And people complaining. There's not enough updates to pf sense, but as someone who has to update pf senses I I prefer something that doesn't have updates just for the sake of updating if there's a security update That's a different situation, but so pf senses might go to for x86 But it's not a router What's that? It's not a router Oh Okay, if you technically want it just for routing and you have x86 hardware look at bios that is tensor or tensor bios Didn't somebody buy cumulus Nvidia Yeah video about cumulus I thought cumulus is still open source though. I think so cumulus is sweet Yeah, you want to turn your x86 box into something that looks like a sysco when you log into it then run cumulus on it Bios does that too? Yeah By bios people like oh you should do video and violinist. I'm like it's kind of targeting the enterprise market They're licensing per year is $5,000 a year. They're not Or no 25,000 a year. That's what it starts at like they're not targeting the small business market It's I mean it's a popular enterprise solution In a niche audience Yeah I think that's what the price was on it. Oh cumulus runs on a lot of commodity hardware Yeah actually how I ended up playing with cumulus quite a bit is when I was doing my uh, the VM or the NV Certification stuff I ended up running cumulus to do some of the vx line stuff because I didn't have any routers that Uh, I would natively support terminating the head end of it I should do a deep dive into some of those things. I have not played with bios much There's a uh, there's a youtube channel This guy did Like five videos four of them are on bios. They're so good and then he stopped doing videos. They have graphics animations everything Uh, I haven't looked to see if the channel's still alive. It was kind of weird This guy came out of nowhere great presentation great production quality post four videos and leaves Like he just he had something to say about building a bios router and it was a good tutorial on it One of the best ones I'd seen and then stop You can always run the dev branch of bios. Yeah, they give the dev branch away for free the um In some companies do that, you know, you if you stay on cutting edge here Here's the in actually that's actually the business model for open sense. You get the new version for free What makes open sense more confusing is the business people are even further behind on security patches than the people who are running the free version of open sense That makes less sense to me At least I backport the security fixes faster But they don't Four colon o4 stream. Is he trying to get you to a four hour four minute stream? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh Maybe saturday. I said I do one this year I'll do a four hour. I'm not doing a four hour stream today. There's some point. I'm gonna go sit on the couch No, I and I still have to do my workout. So I did my run. I got to go to my gym workout Yeah, well if you're not doing anything for new years, I don't you don't have to get any plans Oh, we're having a party. Oh, you having a party? We are. Oh, okay. So we are too. We have one and Me and Jason only live about It's about it's an hour from my house to your house It's about 45 minutes from the office to the office right office to office 45 But Jason lives a little bit further south than that. Yep I should continue the stream from the couch. No, I'm gonna go watch the usagi electric has a new video Of some I think it was usagi has one I haven't in my queue You can see we're talking about this earlier about our love of these retro channels Because it's just fun watching people go through all that stuff the g15 one that was from saturday I watched from saturday. Well new to me because I haven't watched it yet Uh, I'm binging right now the curious mark Apollo S band cons ones and I watched like 200 minutes of it yesterday Like this is really compelling for some reason. I really like his storytelling style. Yeah It it's really um, if you haven't seen curious marks videos on that. I mean, it's just Repiecing together all the old hardware is just fascinating Yeah, it's relevant right now because I'm giving a talk We're giving the talk at codemash on reverse engineering binary analysis me and john are I'm finally meeting with him tomorrow so we can talk it through But I've got the slides about a third done And when we say john we're actually referring to the john hamond not another john hamond But yeah, not hamond of youtube fame now. Yeah, I knew him before he was famous Yeah, when he first joined huntress He was uh, he had a fairly popular Uh youtube channel before he joined huntress, but it really grew up after Yeah, it really blew up after I think he had probably 10 or 15 thousand subscribers when he joined there So he already got his start was Getting his feet wet in the world, but yeah, john's awesome. I've met him in person a handful of times He's he's absolutely as nice in person as you think he is Yeah In very hum very very humble. Yeah, very humble his talk at uh, uh msp geek count was excellent I'm gonna pop that one Yes, I have it's going to break everything Yes, I'm excited for all the things that will break Everything This first be tried with es and I it didn't get off the ground now. We're gonna go with encrypted. Hello It's going to just destroy all the filtering that works on uh SNI headers Yeah, it's gonna drive a bunch of people back to ssl inspection and that is not great Like I I realize why cloudflare is doing it because they don't want that Observability, but the alternative is all the people that want the observability are just going to drive to ssl inspection. Yep Yeah, it's going to be a mess It uh sys go ahead their whole when even when quick came out because when everything started moving over to udp With the qic protocol sys go ahead a whole write-up on why it's a bad idea Yeah, I remember them really poo poo in it because it made it harder for them to inspect everything That's receipt to leto is still wow Yep Yeah, I mean that they're they've run that these days, but they still You still get Lots of things they have another slash 16 too and I keep telling them like because they bought the medical college of Ohio Which also had a slash 16. I'm like did you guys need to give one of these back? Yeah, I don't need 131,000 public IPs Uh, tell that to wane state. I think they have a bigger one. Yeah Wayne and by the way, if you spend any time in shodan looking at wane state You may even find a still a reverse tn entry for ups because someone there Thought everything should get public IPs because oh, yeah And the best thing at ut was uh, it would dynamically create public gns based on what your host name got vdhcp so we had there was There was it dot utilita dot edu and we had all sorts of shit Like thing this is sh dot it We had a field day they got mad at us But so we were we had a project we did some a little bit of consulting We didn't end up being a project because it was just too big of a mess Um, but the good news is I still have friends at wane state. So I messaged them I'm like, do you guys realize all of this are like, yeah And they they got to the powers that be and removed a bunch of it the dns entries exist But the the snmp is no longer exposed on the ups I mean back when the internet was a safer place. I used to just randomly print stuff to random university computers Like yeah, it was fun I know I loved finding one. Did you remember the story of the hacker giraffe? No, so It's kind of dumb because they did what we knew us old people know that this exists There are a absolute plethora of opened hp print reports on there And the hacker giraffe decided one day. He was a script kitty But became notoriety because he he posted I think it was pootie pie things to all of that. He ended up making dark night diaries He just became obsessed with doing it and everyone's like You're kind of doing something dumb But it's low hanging fruit because there's so many exposed print reports Just no one ever thought to send Mass amounts of emails out then that later led to someone who started sending random bomb threats out Oh, okay. This I do remember. Yeah, that part That's what actually ended up getting more attention and started people going Oh, maybe we shouldn't leave all of our printers open and uh, yeah It it's It's kind of crazy. Um Yeah, we're out for sure. We've been out for 10 years now Uh of ip's like there's not the public the top level slash eight exhaustion occurred in 2011 So like you can only get ip space now If you can very much show a need and they are allocating less than slash 24 in most cases It's impossible to get ip's Yeah, riley, um, he went on a bidding site because he had to riley from hostify to buy his slash I think he's got a slash 24. Yeah, I have one that I may be able to obtain Good. I need to move some hosting stuff. So that's a yeah I I'm working on it. I won't say anymore about it publicly here But my name is tied to an erin and I am the point of contact and I have yeah Hmm Cool. I need um, I need to decide soon. This will be a separate conversation. I need to move where my forums are hosted I actually prefer to host them internally, but they get a decent amount of traffic My problem is people keep hosting screenshots. I keep telling them don't post screenshots in my forums. I'm watching my storage Keep climbing up and it's going to be expensive to host it in the cloud Serve the home, uh, their forums cost them quite a bit of money So they that's why they host all their stuff in a colo, but it Their bill is something I forget how much their bill is, but it's you know, several thousand dollars a month I'm not there yet, but at the rate my forums are expanding If I can host it internally I have the know-how I just get the bandwidth Okay, we can uh I think the message Perfect I sent you the rest of the message I like that. Okay That one is not bandwidth limited. It's 10 gig Oh, nice. Yeah 10 10 gig could be fine. Um, you know, um, I talked to patrick from time to time And I don't need extra capacity from serve the home and we have access We have access in a data center in a colo That we could do things in but patrick actually I hope he does a new version of it He did a good cost saving analysis over the last couple of years of what he saved It's called like coming down from the cloud. It's part of the serve the home blog post Uh, but it it's a lot cheaper than running this stuff in amazon and places like that when you grow Um, I'll have to figure out and do a calculator for how much bandwidth I need I I do know because I have that logged. I just don't have that log I'm not logged into that right now to tell you exactly how much bandwidth I need But it's also a future-proofing thing because I'm getting Like 30 000 visitors a week or something to my site. So that number is getting Every video I do especially like today's video all reference things in the forums Which means when I'm done with this live stream, I'll go to the forums and probably have to approve A handful more people that join my forums. I think there's like 6 000 people in my forums right now Uh, but they're public. So it's the external visitors that come and visit them It's it just I'm trying to make sure people always have a good experience and not a slow experience when they go there It's been slow a couple times because it's just running out of bandwidth And it's not a very fast performance machine. It's it's currently still in digital ocean Speaking which I have to pay the there's a invoice due for the I gotta go get my business card to pay the invoice for that ip space Before they give it away. Yeah, I don't give it away. I don't want it Yep, I just to have it you can auction that off later for quite a bit uh, huh It's only it's a You know, oh, of course This might be 2024 could be the year of ipv6 and make all this worthless, right? All right that too I have a slash 48 All right, this is the At the risk of well, I'll I guess i'm posted here Slash v6 is easy. Oh shit. I posted it as you because I can apparently do that in stream yard. Let's find two Yeah, so that's uh, that's the v6 space Yeah This is funny too if xcp and g really takes off due to vnware prepare for a ton more traffic Google sends most xcp and g searches towards your site. Yes. I rank higher than their own forums on there Yeah, we were actually talking about that in the leadership team meeting last week that we need to skill up more people because there's going to be a mass exodus from vmware and we need to Right now tom has a lot of experience. I have enough Uh, because i'm just a general computer nerd. It can fumble my way through the pieces of it that I don't understand yet And we have one other guy that can do the work, but I need to skill up like through more people to be Uh proficient I I think we can do it. We've we've got a couple people and um We have some good nerds working for us that are pretty determined to do things We just got to set them forth on some projects that In our lab environment where they can break it because that's the best way to learn is just go at it run run head first into it a few times That's how that's how I got is to most of the knowledge I have is just the run forward Break it enough times until it's on there. Uh, someone asked if I talked about early. Yes earlier I talked about the overlay vpns and I have a recent video on it. So check out my video on the Um net bird I had a good interaction with the developers of net birds. They're based out of germany and They're just good people. Uh, I like they they reached out to me because um, I signed up reached out talked to them they're like German level engineering dedicated to full open source and everything. So back and forth with them. They've a new uh really good New ui coming out mid january. That's when I'll do a more in-depth video on it They don't have dark mode right now that much. I can I can complain about Oh That and half the msp tools don't have dark mode yeah It just started dark mode like that's a zeros did they don't door zeros doesn't have a light mode But then you get like the I want solarized dark versus the dark normal dark mode is fine people. Oh, yeah Yeah, that's true too So net bird video coming soon. Um within the next probably two weeks It depends. I don't know when the release schedule is I know what they told me but developers sometimes tell me things I I told them I will wait till the dark mode new version of ui is out I don't I don't control when that comes out though The video is easy to do because I will admit They said you can install their control plane from zero to set up in five minutes They aren't lying at all five minutes. If you have a fast machine. It's five minutes. They're install script is beautifully automated You need some sort of live chat thing. That's not youtube comments Oh, so you can post things easier No, uh So I can have this conversation with this guy that we're conversing with in this spot. That's not youtube comments Yeah Maybe they'll make that Maybe they'll make that feature on youtube so you can like have a breakout session Yeah, I know you don't like the real-time chats You have a discord, right? Just no one uses it, right? I don't know what to do with my discord because I'm not I'm not a good discord Admin I don't think I'm in your discord There's a lot of people in there I'm just not one of them that's in there very often unless someone tags me in something I only go in there maybe once a week. I'm that's how that's how discord works. Oh, okay We should I'm fine with building it up I'm I just need someone who's like a good community manager to say like hey I will I will nurture this baby. Matter of fact, uh, john hammond me and him. We're talking. That's what he did He has a yeah. Yeah. He doesn't post in his discord. It's infrequent Mm-hmm Which is great He doesn't post anywhere. I tag him and stuff on linkedin and he totally ignores it I think the that reason is pretty simple when you look at post something how many knows he has it's buried in his notices He doesn't oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll uh I'll harass him about it next week. Yeah, we we know we have his slack. We know how to get a hold of him Yeah, yeah, I I have his phone number. I think I can text him that too. Yeah Yeah, you have to do some out of band methods at some point. Yeah Yeah, I it's always surprising to me too that like people Somebody from the trust mark working group called me today and I'm like, I didn't really had my number Oh, okay Oh, no, I don't I thought I was just not going I probably have his number. I probably just didn't uh Just uh Me and Jason both use signal personally. I like signal Yeah, I like signal too I'm really hoping They they broke down their costs. I should do a video on it because I think this to raise more awareness of why you should throw money at signal Signal runs on donations and yeah I'm talking about just how much it costs them to run signal, which is extensive And because they're not trying to sell your data It's extremely costly to run that system. I think it was like 56 million dollars a year in here And it's not employee expenses like that's like hosting fees and stuff like that I'm on their page right now they uh, it's It's in their blog post Yeah, they were uh, I haven't donated to that yet Uh, and eventually I will I keep for like Yeah, I'll set up as a subscription because if not I'll forget Oh, that's a good idea. You can do monthly. Yep I that's what I do at the EFF or I'll forget to donate money to them. So I have them on subscription Yeah, Meredith Whitaker is pretty awesome. I she's the head of signal uh, privacy is priceless but signal is expensive and Scrolls through this. I'll drop the link here for everyone to see But yeah, it's just it costs a lot of money to run this is what it is Storage 1.3 million servers 2.9 million registration fees 6 Million per year total bandwidth 2.8 million dollars per year in bandwidth. What are the registration fees? I'm very curious about that. I mean, they're a 501c something. Yep uh The registration fees are all the text messages that's how much it costs to send all those texts to activate signal Okay, so yeah, okay, because they I thought they stopped falling back to sms They do but the it's they don't do a fallback. But each time you register. That's what it costs Okay There's somewhere in there Yeah, they break down every detail what this costs and everything else Yeah, if they're 501c3, which I believe they are, uh, you can you should be able to get a total breakdown of their costs Yeah, they do they in they're very public about it. Yeah Oh, they talk about what they are Every little bit of it. They they this is a really long blog post Yeah, 19 million dollars a year Uh to stay around going development efforts about half of signals overall operating budget goes towards recruiting compensating retaining the people who build and care for signal Uh benefits hr taxes recruiting salaries included is 19 million a year I think 56 was like their overall what they pay for everything for employees and all that They don't have that big of a team. It's pretty pretty wild But I may break it down and like show some of their filings I I'm big on going to things like charity navigator and stuff like that. I'll go and look at all the details I'm curious. I don't know. What are they actually spending it on? Yep, I will too. I mean I do that I set up a little Not a ton, but I mean I do the same thing I've got a bunch of the creators I watch I support on patreon none of them for like a billion dollars a month or anything But uh if everyone gives I feel if everyone gives three four five dollars a month to the creators they like then Everyone has a good time and there's enough volume there that all the creators aren't taking care of Yeah, I You know, I subscribe to uh, I donate to dark night diaries two and a half admins It's all a few dollars a month five bucks a month here five bucks a month there I don't mind. I feel better about that because I mean probably you've seen it amazon prime is like we're upping it or you're gonna get ads or I did not see that Yeah, that's a new thing people are mad about amazon. It starts pretty soon Your amazon prime is gonna have more ads. I really don't watch much netflix for amazon So it's gonna make you either bothered more than me. She watches amazon prime all the time Oh, it's only three bucks a month. I mean, it's that's a How long it's three one two three bucks a month and then they'll collect the three dollars a month for me Excuse me. I won't I won't watch ads. I'm sorry. Yeah Yeah, I'm not an ad person Oh the ads on the online streaming stuff are the worst because it's like there aren't enough of them So like literally you'll be watching a show and it's like seven ads. They're rolling through Because that's all they have to show you and it's terrible You know, that's part of the youtube problem is you get these same terrible ads. It's just It's why it's worth it to pay for the youtube premium because the ads are so bad They're they're not just the ads. They're the fact that they're the same repetitive terrible And at least every other one is for the ascpa, which is one not a great charity And two it's like these dogs. We let them suffer for seven extra minutes so we could film them Exactly Hmm I'm definitely working on getting this live stream to monetized Yeah, that's all right. That's what we do sometimes and we're gonna wind it down I don't think youtube algorithm want wanders down this far In that although I've been using that taja ai to index The videos once they're posted I should probably start doing them to the business technicality ones as well It does nice summaries that it puts the beginning it does Uh Timestamps for all the things that were talked about on each of the videos. It's it's a nice tool Cool Ooh What are some of the tips for end user email security? Use finh in we use fin and fin in mindcast right now I think there's still some legacy iron skills customers and some legacy proof point customers They're on the two sides of the house. Yeah, uh Fin is cheap and good and they're great people. Yep Um mindcast works well if you're willing to figure out the you know, what's 200 of the 40 000 knobs you need to turn Yeah, once you get mindcast mindcast sort it out. I complain about it the annoyance of it, but it works so It's a it's a good filtering system If you do this this thing that he's he's harassing you to do you should post and get guests on for it So you don't have to rant alone for four hours and four minutes Yeah I could rant alone, but I shouldn't rant alone for that much So I'll I'll figure out a time when I can schedule as many people as we're willing to join and come and go Like it'll be a block of time I'll give you and some of my friends links. They can come on and join for a little while Yeah, just uh, don't don't do it in a google doc or i'll write poop in it like I did to us is I mean gotta insert a few uh poop jokes here and there Okay, I want to go play dominoes with the kids. Yep, and I'm gonna go uh watch tv and wind us down So thanks everyone for joining awesome doing 360 vlog episode 363 for two hours and 18 minutes and uh Yeah, that's That's a lot. Maybe we'll have to do a vmware ramp. We'll get that scheduled So yeah, because maybe vmware will release all the details of how they're gonna screw people right now They know they're screwing people. We even figured out all the house yet Well, if you're special, then you'll get an invite to the invite only partner program sometime in january until then It's trodding your partner program or you don't know if it exists or not. So yeah, but you have till february to get off of it We set deadlines but not start dates. Yeah Sounds fun. All right later everyone. Thanks. Yeah