 We have it on record that we are the fastest nation to get red readiness approval and we just got that in June, I'm sorry, in October this year and if you place that on record against other nations that started before us they are yet to get their red readiness proposals approved and the unique thing about the red readiness program in Nigeria is that it has a two-track approach at the national level and then at the state level. The state level it has to do essentially with the state that has for it, the state that has an antecedent on how to manage its for it, the state that sees red not just as an end in itself but it means to an end. We are quite happy that the momentum that is sustained that the red is going and I think with red we'll be able to attain other associated programs or benefits from protection of the last tropical rainforest. What we are faced with is to reach out to the vast majority of stakeholders and to reach out and create more awareness on these issues and to persuade them that red is beneficial to all that everybody is a winner as far as red is concerned and that too it's a multi-benefits kind of arrangement you know we benefit from the gains we get from ecosystem services, we benefit from alleviating poverty at the community level, we benefit at even political organizing in these processes. So the challenge is to convey these benefits that are associated with red towards people and again one of the typical ways that how do we hold the people down? How do we scale up our activities at the community level? The challenges of resources to get the thing down because we need to as we move from the use of forest for timber concession to carbon concession and the article of trade is carbon. The people who are interacting with the forest need to come to these realities, need to benefit obviously, need to understand the mechanism of this new trade that we are going into. So the challenge is to transfer this level of knowledge to the level that they will participate to that's the challenge we have and again to translate to see means giving them alternative means of livelihood that they will have every reason to keep away from the forest. The reason why we degrade the forest we cut down the forest is because we are poor but a degraded environment exacerbates poverty. So we need to see how to make the people see beyond them beyond survivor we need to think about tomorrow. Do I want to leave an inheritance to my what kind of inheritance do I want to leave for my children who are coming behind? Do I want to subject them? I love them so what I give to them is to give them more hardship for what I view. We need to ponder at all those things to put them together until that yes red has a hope if it has to bring us the desired benefit we must take the actions that we ought to take right now.