 మార్ర్ఽివాకకంపార్చకాసివాకినోఎని. నిర్వర్ తిర్ంరే మిస్టిటిలినింరాని. కచత్ర్ర్స్రచి వివాల్సిస్నికంపిచి. It's on record, in four years, I consorted 12 livers in four years, not by any contractor, but jealous beggar, Nigerian limited. One of you Mr. President will answer the fact that you have even come to reverse state to commission budgets. Nigerians in both, it does not matter which affiliation, whether you're a politician, whether you're not a politician, whether you belong to party A or you belong to party B. All have come to reverse state to commission projects. And I can tell you what is important, there's no thing like magic. What is important is what part should you have. My own question will be very simple, and it will have to do with your bio data. I just want clarifications around your bio data. Now, on the very first page, page one, you said you were born on the 2nd of December 1980. Now looking further down, you attended St. John's Primary School, Boko. You just wrote 1989. I'm wondering whether you finished primary school in 1989, which will suggest that you either started primary school at the age of three or two for you to finish in 1989. That's one. Two, you also claim that you... So as you know, the screening started yesterday, and of the 14 nominees listed on the other order paper for screening, seven were asked to take a bow and go, while four others were screened. The screening of at least three of the ministerial nominees was put on hold, for various reasons including some falsification and forgery amongst others. And according to the vanguard, some of the nominees asked to take a bow and go are the immediate past governors of River State, Nisom Wike, Abubaka Momo of Edo State, Senator Abubaka Kiari, Senator John Enno and the immediate past governor of Jigawa State, Abubaka Baderu. There was also Inkiru Onye, Jocha and the Nigerian Ambassador to Germany since 2017. That's Ambassador Yusuf Maitama Toka. All were asked to take a bow and go. The nominees whose screenings were put on hold and asked to clarify these issues where Professor Joseph Udsef, Senator Abubaka Sani Danladi of Taraba and Bill of Mohammed of Sokoto State. The screening continued today and the confirmation of the nominees will be done by the Senate upon the completion of the screening exercise. Now some are of the opinion that the ministerial screening is a necessity whilst others believe that it is simply a distraction. We really want to hear what your thoughts are. So please let's hear what you have to say. Remember you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 0818 038 4663. Tweet at us at Wayshow Africa 1 with the hashtag Wayshow. So what do you think? Let's jump right into the conversation around what were your first thoughts? We've already addressed what the list looked like and what our thoughts were in various other conversations. But between yesterday and today, what have your general thoughts been about the screening process? It felt like a sham for me. Because if you say that there is a screening process, you must at least observe due protocol. You must at least... Maybe there is a constitutional provision for it in the sense that if you have served in a certain position or I'm not sure any or either of them have served in the current portfolio, they may want to put them. So why not screen? Because yes, I'm not sure it should be about what you have done in the past. It should be about testing your competencies for now. Yes, you have done X, Y, Z. You may have experienced as, let's say, you may have experienced in the education sector. You may have done so much work. But guess what? The president may be looking at putting you in... to manage another portfolio that you have no experience with. And that's what the screening should be all about. It should be about disclosure where yes, you talk about your competencies, your expertise, your experience and all that. All that information, the holistic information, should be what the Senate has in order to make informed decisions as to whether or okay this person can go on to the next stage and then take on this portfolio. So I think you raised a very valid question there because one of the first things that I asked was what portfolios. Now if you're going to screen me, I would compare screening or this screening exercise to almost like a job interview. So if in like our quote said today, are you the right crew to fly Nigeria? Now I need to assess you against something. Now if I'm assessing you for a certain... So if you take occupations, you have professional occupation. So if you're a doctor, I have to know that I'm assessing a neurosurgeon for that position. I can't assess a general physician or a pediatrician for that position. So not having the portfolios for me was the first concern, right? Because I just thought this then just becomes an exercise which then raises the question is it a necessity or is it a distraction? Is it just due process, right? So we don't know the portfolios, we put that aside. Some people have taken a strong view to the whole concept of take about and go. And I think maybe I'll bring Noma in here. Noma we've had, I believe it was seven people who went through that process of take about and go. Essentially we know who you are. We don't need to ask you too many questions. What were your thoughts around this? Thank you Uti. My concerns were around that in fact I had to take a note as to how many people were asked to take about and I noticed that it had to do with the formal governors, the House of Senates, those who had served in House of Representatives and all. So and that also raised concerns for me as well. I like the trajectory that Jolla took in terms of portfolio. When you're talking about screening, let's even break it down. Screening process has to do with certain criteria that an individual is supposed to meet with and I like the context in which you put it. For example, if you are going to be screened for a particular position, take for example, like you said, a neurosurgeon, that means that somebody who is in general practice may not likely qualify even though he is a doctor as well. So if you put it, juxtapose it with ministerial screening, there are different capacities, different portfolios that these nominees are supposed to occupy. And I saw that some people were asked questions in that regard. For example, if you are put in as the minister for women affairs, what are you going to do with regards to this and that questions were asked in that regard. But coming back to those who were asked to take about, it was a safe, oh, these are already, we have already approved these ones so there is no need to ask questions. But the truth of it is that is there a criteria, is there a list of qualifications that these people are supposed to have? Whether it is educational qualifications which they ask some questions with regard to their SSE or their disparity in their age and when they graduated, things like that. Then you come to, apart from the educational qualifications, you come to competence. You come to things like transparency, integrity. For example, the offices that you held, what were the things maybe they could have asked questions around the offices that were held before and how they intend to bring the experience in that situation into the new role that they're expected to play. Things about suitability of the role, do you think that you're qualified? You know when you go for a job interview and they're asking you, this is the position that is available. How qualified are you and you should be able to justify that? We didn't see things like that. Background check. Some of them were done. Some of them were already given pass mark because they feel that they had their records already. But there are some things that could have come up in line of duty over the years where there are questions that could address those situations. For example, if your character something were along the line as a house of representative, you probably were out of character, you had misbehavior one way or the other. Does that still qualify because you were once a representative then you are qualified forever? So these are things that raise serious concerns with regards the what would I call it, the manner in which this screening has taken place has not told us anything new. Tests of character, value proposition, only a few people were asked about their value proposition. Some were just assuming, okay, like the ones I was told to take about. How was their performance, for example, in the different states? I know El Rufai, in the case of El Rufai, somebody raised the question after he was asked to take about. Someone raised the question about the insecurity situations while he was governor. So these are pertinent questions that I would have expected our senate to be hands-on to ask because you are mindful about the people that are going to take responsibility for the state of Nigeria. So unfortunately we have not seen that so far. And they continue to raise more questions whether these are really the qualified people. These are people who are really qualified and are upstanding citizens that should be able to represent at the different ministry levels. So you do raise some points. I think that it would be good to state that of course they have submitted that they were required to submit their documentation before the screening process. I believe also that the security aspect of the screening had also been completed. If we look at this, if we say predominantly this is like a job interview. I think that the first concern there around the questions that they should have asked. Now it's important to point out that take a bow and go is not a unique concept. It happens across other parliaments and other governments across the world. It's sort of like an efficiency type thing for me in my assessment that if I already know who you are and I know the work that you've done so if you've been a member of the house and you're familiar to us you're not a stranger. So perhaps there are certain questions that you don't need to ask. The perspective for me was but you are this is an opportunity to talk to the nation. And if you look at the current context or the way we all are right now in Nigeria there's a huge mistrust. There's a shadow hanging over. I think the tribunal is still sitting on even the status of the entire election itself. I think that at this point any opportunity to speak to the people should be leveraged. So when you are asked do you have a few words to say or do you just want to take a bow? I think to distinguish yourself it's an opportunity at that point to really you are selling yourself to the people in the room. Let me put it that way. Yes we know the people in the room I said take a bow and go. But to the Nigerian people who are watching you have the ability to showcase yourself you have ability to say you know what this may be how you're feeling right now but let me give you some comfort that if I am in the role today this is who I am. And I think that that opportunity was lost because for you to come in and just say oh take a bow and go we understand why but it's a very very big opportunity that was lost to address the people who are really hurting at this point in time who are unable to connect with you. So many people that I've spoken to in recent times are almost in a we're all in a slightly dissociative state like we're just existing we're just going through the motions you know with everything that we are being hit from all sides so this was really a time to showcase so I think that that was a lost opportunity and when you then sort of ask yourself why is this process then necessary that question becomes really really valid because if you're just rubber stamping for yourselves that okay we know this people is fine we don't need to ask too many questions that's another another challenge but when we start to talk about the distraction part of the question I'm going to throw this because we've already had three people who we saw the clip there that was talking about your age and when you left primary school and every time this thing comes up I'm just like why why do we constantly if we stick to the analogy of interviewing right what happens you are interviewing somebody the further away you are from graduating the less I care about what you do at university I want to know about the experience that you've had now that being said the guidelines of I think it's first school living certificate is very clear right provide it and let's move on what we find ourselves constantly coming back to issues of qualification certification is it genuine was it forged what are your thoughts there when you saw this again let me take a little bit let me take us back a little bit from what you said about the opportunity lost in terms of they could have sold themselves to the general to the nation for me I think there is a bit of a disconnect from the red house in terms of the fact that I think that they have forgotten that they are representatives of the people they are first and foremost because all of us cannot be there you know so the senate they are like a spokespeople you know who should be the one doing all the rigorous you know interviews and rigorous questioning and ensuring that only the best hands you know the most qualified people are at that position but again I mean it was lost then it comes back to the question of you see if you are not very interested in how this country moves forward or in putting the right person in the right role you really would not have the right questions to ask you cannot give what you don't have it's as simple as that if I know that I am concerned about how the people in my constituency would enjoy better power or this power issue would be resolved I would be more interested in ensuring the competency of whoever is going to sit in this you understand so again that drives the kind of questions the kind of the kind of disposition they are going to have towards these nominees let's take a quick break please stay with us we'll be right back so if you are just tuned in it's our ladies night out and we are discussing the ministerial screening process we are asking is it a distraction or a necessity please let's hear what you have to say remember you can join the conversation send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 0818 038 4663 send us a message on X at Weshaw Africa 1 with the hashtag Weshaw and we are also opening our phone line so our phone line is now open so you can call us on 07002507749 I'll take that again 0702 5007749 remember when you call to turn down the volume of your television set so that we can hear you and your thoughts so Noma I'll come to you this process right the people do you have a sense today given what you know historically about some of these candidates and also what we've seen over the last two days do you have enough information or do you think rather that they've given us enough comfort as the Nigerian people that these people have been effectively screened Uti the feeling and I don't know maybe I might be speaking on behalf of Nigerians or myself but just listening and reading up on the proceedings have just told me one thing that we have done our we have ticked off the box basically that's the impression that I have because like I said earlier the Senate represents the people and really like Adiola had added that if they were really passionate about bringing change about bringing hope and about bringing the necessary transformation for the citizens of Nigeria then it would not just be a case of take a bow yes you might say these are your colleagues these are people that we've worked with but we continue to mention I remember the previous the when we first talked about the ministers and when the list was released we had mentioned about square pegs in square holes being able to feed people and this would have been a beautiful opportunity like you had said for people to showcase their competency their ability to stand in a role and to function optimally in that role I like the case of I think Mrs. you know who was talking about the healthcare sector she had made mention about different things about the government not taking advantage of the pandemic season to upgrade the healthcare sector in the country she talked about being able to really pay grade for doctors and their welfare things like that she talked about national healthcare insurance and things like that so already you see that this person is positioning themselves for a ministerial appointment with regards to health we were looking for other I mean some of them I just saw them they just said oh thank you for the opportunity you know my competence has shown for it and I would be glad to be confirmed and all of that there was nothing convincing that this person has passion for a certain area within the government or within the ministries and they want to bring light they want to bring hope they want to bring transformation in that regard this was something that we were looking to experience with Nigerians watching the plenary session looking at these supposed representatives in regards to the ministries and coming up and it looks like if I will borrow Deola's language a charade oh okay is our people is our person so it just felt like this was something just to tick off the box that oh we have done something with regards to ministerial screening again we do not know if there was some form of criteria or list or some a guideline so to speak when it comes to ministerial screening that they were using it could have been at the top of their head it could have been something that was not really planned for and therefore the implementation was just lopsided so it just continues to purchase the fact that Nigerians given other opportunities with future elections we have to be more conscious of the people that we put in positions and to represent us as a people because the more we put in the wrong kind of people the more the misrepresentation will continue to take place and from this screening we've seen so far that this has not helped the Nigerian citizens to understand clearly how these people who have been appointed or nominated are going to make any difference from what is already existing in the Nigerian Government and that's the thing for me right so if you're going to share a process with us if you're going to give us access so if it was a closed door activity right where we had no insight into it and you were going to come out and tell us they've been successfully screened and here's the next step and I think it would have been fine to see what happened but given that you've invited us in you've given us the opportunity to see it then it's also an opportunity for you to be able to communicate to us that this process is not just a checklist but it's actually a tick box activity it's an activity that is really taken seriously even as it stands now right we've gone through this process I know we're still expecting more names right and interestingly enough I think I was reading something today where we're also supposed to be expecting new ministries I think we have a caller good evening good evening good evening let's hear what you have to say thank you for calling thank you the situation here somebody is coming to tell us that he passed common contract at the age of 3 years that is his his sort of a sensitivity a serious sort of a sensitivity can you imagine these are the people who want to hand over a Nigeria for me it's just a trade because when we decide for themselves what are they coming to do and somebody is coming not even telling us to watch everything they really attached portfolio so that they can even screen them on the portfolio they are going to give to them the God says this thank you very much thank you for calling so again I mean that just goes to echo right so that it's a lost opportunity it's either you do it in a way where we all are carried along or we don't know and we know that we've moved on exactly so if you come back so we were having a conversation just before the show started we were talking around the argument of not needing the portfolios right to vet so as it stands today I think there are two parts of the constitution in that section 147 one speaks to the fact that if their area of responsibility is not stated that the entire house can sit so I think we have another call I think this is Lohman from Abia good evening Lohman thank you for calling this is Lohman let me just tell you see that's committee to me in Nigeria it's a distraction remember we had a meeting and the minister for education was clean he told us you know nothing about education so this one they are doing now something else from the city he removed about suffering us so everything they are doing they are doing means that has been nominated Australia will make anything better unless they will tell truth to power by letting him know of that Nigeria are suffering let us reverse the 12th prime and make sure that our refineries are working the modular refineries are working and stop letting us know that the Niger data is breaking the linear refineries when you are unable to build the ordinary refineries so if they are able to tell the president I will do my job for them and take their assets for business for now they are not single for any business it's just a distraction but we are still not through we will come out on the streets and tell them so far they are fine go no more for that thank you thank you very much Lohman it's not uncommon if you speak to anybody over the last 2 days that is the same feedback that we are getting nobody is connecting with the process it just seems like yes we are doing it we have done it and that's what it is it just goes to show that everybody now is seeing this for what it is in terms of the fact that the process is not I want to say the process is not inclusive I mean it is not designed to be inclusive because they are being screened by the house they are not essentially being screened by the people of Nigeria but it is just the opportunity where you have given us the opportunity to see what is happening then we also have some expectations and whether we are meeting those expectations or not so Nama I will come to you just for your final thoughts around this process what are you hoping for as we go through this process what are you expecting to see next what are you hoping to come through next before I answer that let me just quickly read a message from one of our viewers he says the ministerial screening process distraction or necessity to me the screening process is not a distraction but a necessity the screening process is a way of testing someone's capabilities my dear beautiful sister made mention of two things she said that when there is a screening process there is need to follow due process and test the competence of the person my dear beautiful sister Nama asked about the criteria of occupying an office whether it be through education or performance I am in full support of these screenings because you do not put people or put someone in office every office is sensitive those that took a bow and left maybe they were not qualified and capable nice anchoring of the show sister Uti my name is Daniel Ilo way's regular fan so just Uti this is day 2 already and it's almost almost lost hope because it almost feels sometimes that we continue to empower people that are not qualified to make a difference for us because if these things are things that we study I mean even going for an interview for a job or position sometimes you go back you read up on the position you read up on the expectations you read online you google you get information that empowers you or informs you before you step into the limelight to project whatever it is that you are proposing so it almost feels like we just continue to do things it's almost as the senator said it's not going to be business as usual we can simply say that it's just business as usual but it has proved to be business as usual because if they really did their due diligence then there are pertinent questions that would have accompanied this ministerial screening process but we haven't seen that around we don't know if it's going to come up in the future what the other nominees are released I think that's a good note to end it on for us in saying that of course we've seen what these first two days have gone the way they've gone and we want to hope that when the next set of nominees are announced that is a bit more rigor to the process but it's been a great conversation thank you Noma, thank you Adiola and before you go or before we go please ensure that you follow us on instagram at wayshowafrica interact with us further, drop a comment and most importantly follow all our social media engagements remember to like, share, comment and invite your friends and family to watch and follow us if you missed today's quote here it is again this time screening will be very thorough it's not going to be a situation where the screening will be any how we are going to know the background of the nominees and we are not going to disappoint Nigerians it is not going to be a shallow screening you must have the character you must have the face you must have the behaviour to be among the cabin crew to fly Nigeria this time around Nigeria is going to be better on that note we look forward to seeing you tomorrow at 8pm as we bring another great conversation to your screen have a good evening